00:14:14 <sbp> * sbp concludes one of the collest bits of net detective work of all time
00:14:17 <sbp> s/coll/cool/
00:17:46 <sbp> erm... is this right?
00:17:47 <sbp> .http://www.theweekly.co.uk/
00:17:49 <xena> THIS SITE HACKED BY THE BLACK QUORUM
00:18:27 <sbp> I guess now :-)
00:18:37 <sbp> s/now/not/
00:19:03 <sbp> * sbp writes a thank you card to the person who invented the s// substitution syntax
00:19:14 <sbp> s%s//%s///%
00:33:15 <jillzilla> don't forget to give the card a light scent.
00:37:00 <sbp> all my cards smell of beer. perhaps keeping them in the fridge is not the best idea
00:37:18 <jillzilla> Oh dear. At least they don't smell of cheese.
00:37:21 <jillzilla> do they?
00:37:49 <sbp> nope. I try to avoid cheesy beers
00:37:56 <jillzilla> hmph.
00:39:09 <AaronSw> is the detective thing online?
00:39:17 <AaronSw> what's with the s% syntax?
00:39:21 <AaronSw> who's the card addressed to?
00:39:56 <sbp> what? / because it means I don't have to escape the slashes / I haven't found out yet
00:40:56 <sbp> heh, I just wrote the following for a new opinions page... I just have to paste it in
00:40:57 <sbp> [[[
00:40:58 <sbp> It's funny; when I was at college, there were lots of people engaging in
00:40:59 <sbp> strange activities, and trying to "find" themselves. But I always knew
00:40:59 <sbp> where to find myself. I'd be on the nearest sofa watching The Simpsons.
00:41:00 <sbp> ]]]
00:41:33 <sbp> this new thing may or may not make it
00:42:21 <AaronSw> * sbp concludes one of the coolest bits of net detective work of all time
00:42:24 <AaronSw> what were you detecting?
00:42:32 <sbp> can't say
00:42:37 <AaronSw> Hmph
00:42:49 <jillzilla> sbp is such a tease.
00:43:00 <AaronSw> Can you say if you'll be able to say?
00:43:01 <sbp> or *am* I?
00:43:04 <sbp> yeah, I am
00:43:12 <sbp> can I do what now?
00:43:25 <AaronSw> will you ever be able to reveal what you were detecting?
00:43:28 <AaronSw> the espians have a new server: xia
00:43:47 <sbp> I may one day reveal it, yes
00:44:22 <sbp> cool. is this the Jill-hosted-electric-citadel
00:44:22 <sbp> ?
00:45:52 <jillzilla> No, it's not. Mine is called munin.
00:46:15 <sbp> * sbp gives up on his neoopinions thing, and reaches for rm
00:46:17 <AaronSw> it's apparently at some host or something
00:46:33 <deltab> theplanet
00:47:01 <sbp> great! anything with a "the" in it is ammo for Ash when it goes wrong
00:47:42 <AaronSw> <AHS> WE ARE TEH PLANETZ@@@(#@*@!!!! WE ARZ IRN E ELIGNMEBNT!!!!
00:47:55 <sbp> precisely :-)
00:47:59 <AaronSw> tav is really in love with this server....
00:48:07 <jillzilla> * jillzilla 's server gets jealous.
00:48:33 <AaronSw> [censored quote from tav]
00:48:43 <sbp> tav loves everything
00:48:43 <Morbus> Morbus (morbus@s114.terminal3.totalnetnh.net) has joined #swhack
00:48:50 <AaronSw> morBUS!
00:48:59 <sbp> MORbus!
00:49:11 <AaronSw> WHERE ARE TEH FONTZ?!
00:49:11 <jillzilla> moRBUs!
00:50:01 <Morbus> ack!
00:50:12 <Morbus> * Morbus runs and hides.
00:50:14 <Morbus> too... much... love!
00:50:24 <AaronSw> at least we're not braiding hair today
00:50:40 <sbp> we don't love you. we're just screaming because you entered the channel
00:50:47 <Morbus> katie cut my hair by like two inches recently.
00:50:53 <jillzilla> *gasp*
00:50:59 <Morbus> and i just bought glasses. $313 bucks.
00:51:05 <Morbus> i should get them tomorrow.
00:51:12 <jillzilla> if you can find your way there.
00:51:14 <sbp> dollarbucks?
00:51:20 <sbp> is that like a new coffe place?
00:51:31 <Morbus> heh. its a few blocks away.
00:51:41 <jillzilla> Right next door to the New Pedantic.
00:51:42 <Morbus> heh. fine. US313 bucks.
00:51:42 <Morbus> ;)
00:51:45 <sbp> heh. 313 dollarbucks road
00:51:51 <Morbus> er wait, its 313US bucks, right?
00:51:56 <Morbus> is that the right way? i keep forgeting.
00:52:02 <Morbus> i think its prefaced. yah.
00:52:11 <jillzilla> USD$313
00:52:14 <sbp> USB? I think that acronym's already taken
00:52:36 <Morbus> i had to take some stupid test today.
00:53:00 <Morbus> the stupid essay i had to write was dumb, dumb, dumb.
00:53:07 <Morbus> i kept wanting to say "i can't write without my toolz!".
00:53:22 <jillzilla> BBEdit or bust!
00:54:02 <Morbus> bbedit, exactly.
00:54:06 <Morbus> it was so hurtful.
00:54:06 <Morbus> my hands hurt bad.
00:54:22 <Morbus> i haven't written that much with my hand in long.
00:54:27 <AaronSw> tav's no longer coming to SF, he spent the money on a hoo^W xia.
00:54:55 <AaronSw> yeah, i hate writing essays by hand
00:54:56 <Morbus> i may write the essay for dnn.
00:55:01 <Morbus> er, transcript it.
00:55:01 <Morbus> oh. decepticons.
00:55:03 <AaronSw> i get terrible cramps because i can't hold the pencil right
00:55:09 <Morbus> they couldn't figure out where to publish it, so i'm weblogging it on oreilly.
00:55:16 <Morbus> thts where dave/derrick suggested.
00:55:17 <Morbus> AaronSw: exactly!
00:55:42 <Morbus> even now, as I type, my thumbs feel all gelled up, like i'm got cramps or something
00:55:51 <sbp> deceptions. on a weblog. O.K.
00:56:10 <Morbus> yeah, the ora weblog.
00:56:20 <Morbus> not sure how much play that'll get, but at least its more than dnn or evolt.
00:56:32 <sbp> writing with pens or pencils is so annoying. they just don't move fast enough
00:56:35 <Morbus> and maybe i'll get a column head on the main page ;)
00:56:38 <Morbus> that's a play on words, even.
00:56:47 <AaronSw> So much for my plans to get a jill-aaronsw-tav keysigning.
00:56:51 <Morbus> heh, heh. tht's right!
00:57:11 <Morbus> my scrawl was bd. in my draft, i was doin like first three letters of the word, and then moving on ;)
00:57:21 <sbp> heh, heh
00:57:22 <Morbus> keysigning?
00:57:41 <AaronSw> yeah, i was going to meet tav and jillzilla in SF and have us all sign each others GPG keys
00:57:51 <sbp> I'm going to learn the gzip compression algorithm and write in bytes
00:58:09 <Morbus> ahh.
00:58:18 <AaronSw> but now tav's not coming
00:58:23 <Morbus> why do you need that sort of protection?
00:58:33 <jillzilla> it's the principle.
00:58:33 <Morbus> i've never understood that amount of oopmh.
00:58:33 <Morbus> maybe i have nothing important to say.
00:58:36 <Morbus> * Morbus shrugs
00:58:51 <Morbus> jillzilla: what's the principle?
00:58:56 <jillzilla> using crypto.
00:59:07 <sbp> the principle is that you hold a big crypto party! beer
00:59:13 <jillzilla> and pool!
00:59:27 <Morbus> keep going.
00:59:27 <Morbus> * Morbus scratches head.
00:59:35 <Morbus> i don't rape you because of the principle.
01:00:11 <Morbus> stick and ball?
01:00:21 <sbp> * sbp wonders if that sentence needed a comma
01:00:23 <Morbus> now i'm in no mood to do anything else.
01:00:23 <Morbus> stupid crap.
01:00:36 <Morbus> i didn't accomplish a single thing today.
01:00:36 <Morbus> stayed home from work and everything.
01:01:08 <Morbus> sigh.
01:01:08 <Morbus> i have three choices of modules.
01:01:25 <Morbus> Getopt::Std which adds only 4k to a compiled exe.
01:01:30 <Morbus> but it is draconian in what it'll accept for cmd line flags.
01:01:42 <sbp> do rock-paper-scissors with yourself
01:01:53 <Morbus> then there's Getopt::Long, which is magical, adds 40k, but could be considered "wordy" in the code.
01:02:15 <Morbus> then there's CGI.pm which is HUuUUUge (140k+ plus), but allows very very quick and easy cmd line flags.
01:02:20 <Morbus> sigh.
01:02:34 <Morbus> i talk too much.
01:02:34 <Morbus> * Morbus hushes.
01:02:43 <sbp> wow. it's quite fun playing with yourself
01:02:56 <sbp> rock-paper-scissors, that is
01:03:06 <jillzilla> jillzilla has changed the topic to: <sbp> wow. it's quite fun playing with yourself
01:03:20 <Morbus> * Morbus peers at sbp
01:03:47 <jillzilla> especially the part where the rock smashes the scissors to bits.
01:03:47 <sbp> heh, that was almost a Morbus style correction
01:04:09 <jillzilla> * jillzilla feels crappy.
01:04:15 <Morbus> heh. heh.
01:04:20 <sbp> heh
01:04:41 <Morbus> [[[
01:04:41 <Morbus> Researchers at the University of Cincinnati College of
01:04:41 <Morbus> Medicine report that cloned mice get fat in adulthood, raising
01:04:41 <Morbus> the specter that attempting to clone, say, Janet Jackson could
01:04:41 <Morbus> result in Oprah Winfrey, while a cloned Kevin Bacon could
01:04:42 <Morbus> eventually resemble John Madden. The advantage is that it would
01:04:43 <Morbus> replace "glandular problems" as the most overused excuse for
01:04:44 <AaronSw> keysignings are just fun
01:04:45 <Morbus> obesity, as in, "Don't be mean to her. She's CLONED."
01:04:48 <Morbus> ]]]
01:05:16 <sbp> where do you find these things?
01:05:31 <Morbus> [[[
01:05:31 <Morbus> Brought to you by THE JOE BOB REPORT
01:05:31 <Morbus> http://www.joebobbriggs.com
01:05:32 <Morbus> ]]]
01:05:32 <sbp> and why is there an AaronSw quote in the middle of it?
01:05:41 <AaronSw> sorry, i was reading the scrollback
01:05:45 <Morbus> joe bob being the guy behind God Stuff, TNT Monster Vision, etc.
01:06:07 <jillzilla> * jillzilla is tempted to fuck with the quote deely.
01:06:24 <AaronSw> fight the power
01:06:32 <sbp> arse waver
01:06:38 <Morbus> * Morbus is taken aback!
01:06:53 <Morbus> * Morbus kicks the three prong.
01:07:12 <Morbus> [[[
01:07:12 <Morbus> Two hundred fifty million monarch butterflies froze to death
01:07:12 <Morbus> and dropped into foot-high piles in the mountains of central
01:07:18 <Morbus> Mexico during a winter storm. Cleanup crews will work around the
01:07:18 <Morbus> clock so that second-graders aren't encouraged to cheat by using
01:07:18 <Morbus> pre-mounted specimens.
01:07:18 <Morbus> ]]]
01:08:11 <Morbus> heh, heh:
01:08:11 <Morbus> [[[
01:08:11 <Morbus> Convicted pot dealer Ed Forchion, better known as New Jersey
01:08:11 <Morbus> Weedman, has filed a petition to have his name legally changed to
01:08:11 <Morbus> NJWEEDMAN.COM. Forchion, who has battled to legalize marijuana
01:08:12 <Morbus> for years by lighting up joints in courts, congressional offices
01:08:14 <Morbus> and the State Senate chambers, is currently confined to
01:08:17 <Morbus> Riverfront State Prison, where he continues to put out comic
01:08:18 <Morbus> books starring himself as "NJ Weedman."
01:08:20 <Morbus> Forchion counters
01:08:24 <Morbus> that he intends to use his new name as "an advertising gimmick
01:08:24 <Morbus> for my books, not as a criminal venture." He further adds that he
01:08:26 <Morbus> frequently forgets his name.
01:08:28 <Morbus> ]]]
01:09:02 <AaronSw> ah, but adding .com will make him remember it?
01:09:17 <Morbus> [[[
01:09:17 <Morbus> Jack Weigand of Mountaintop, Pa., ordered a Dell Inspiron
01:09:17 <Morbus> 4100 notebook computer that never showed up on the promised
01:09:17 <Morbus> delivery date. When he called to find out what the problem was,
01:09:17 <Morbus> he was told that Dell had decided NOT TO SELL IT TO HIM. The
01:09:17 <jillzilla> .whois jillzilla.com
01:09:17 <Morbus> reason: they didn't like the name of his company (Weigand Combat
01:09:17 <xena> the VeriSign Registrar WHOIS database is provided by VeriSign for registered to nobody expires on eriSign Registrar WHOIS database is provided by VeriSign for
01:09:18 <Morbus> Handguns).
01:09:28 <Morbus> But Dell claimed that a shipment to Weigand was
01:09:28 <Morbus> prohibited by law. (They didn't specify what law.) Weigand, taken
01:09:28 <Morbus> aback, mentioned what happened on his website, and within hours
01:09:28 <Morbus> he was swamped with email support. Once the story broke, Dell
01:09:28 <Morbus> suddenly changed gears. "There was an unfortunate series of
01:09:30 <Morbus> events," said Dell spokeswoman Cathie Hargett. "We should have,
01:09:32 <Morbus> when the name of his company triggered a red flag, followed up
01:09:34 <Morbus> with him immediately to ensure that his order was not in
01:09:36 <Morbus> violation of U.S. export rules. Knowing what we know about him
01:09:38 <Morbus> now, we know that is not the case."
01:09:40 <Morbus> (She didn't explain just
01:09:42 <Morbus> exactly what export rules apply to a shipment that's not, uh,
01:09:45 <Morbus> EXPORTED.) Dell then offered to send Weigand a free Inspiron
01:09:47 <Morbus> 4100, but the gunsmith wouldn't take it, saying he didn't want
01:09:48 <Morbus> people to think he'd caused trouble just to save money. So, Dude,
01:09:50 <Morbus> he's not gettin' a Dell.
01:09:52 <Morbus> ]]]
01:09:54 <Morbus> my quote deely.
01:09:56 <AaronSw> can you please stop the 300-foot-long pastes?
01:09:56 <Morbus> it's been fucked up.
01:09:59 <Morbus> sniff.
01:10:00 <sbp> WTF are you doing?!
01:10:12 <AaronSw> No match for "JILLZILLA.COM".
01:10:13 <Morbus> AaronSw: no.
01:10:23 <AaronSw> /kick Morbus :300-foot-long pastes
01:10:37 <Morbus> fight the power, bitch.
01:10:37 <Morbus> remember. stupid fucking medicine.
01:11:26 <sbp> medication? medication?
01:11:28 <jillzilla> * jillzilla gets grouchier.
01:11:38 <sbp> * sbp will have to play that now... after this album
01:11:47 <AaronSw> Why so grouchy, jillzilla?
01:12:02 <sbp> CafeCam reports long lines, probably
01:13:03 <AaronSw> .time est
01:13:04 <xena> Apr. 30, 2002 9:13 pm US/Eastern
01:13:06 <AaronSw> err
01:13:08 <AaronSw> .time pst
01:13:08 <xena> Apr. 30, 2002 6:13 pm US/Pacific
01:13:25 <jillzilla> Dunno why I'm so grouchy. I have about 17 theories, all boring.
01:13:49 <AaronSw> * AaronSw tries to think of de-grouchifiers
01:13:57 <AaronSw> Ah, food.
01:13:58 <sbp> coke!
01:14:23 <jillzilla> coke makes me grouchier. It's inevitable.
01:14:27 <sbp> pool... returning joke pages for popular Google searches... erm...
01:14:34 <jillzilla> * jillzilla hasn't had coke in years.
01:14:38 <jillzilla> Oooooh! Joke pages!
01:14:48 <sbp> putting the CafeCam in the lavs without telling anyone
01:14:52 <jillzilla> There are already people playing pool.
01:14:58 <jillzilla> Hahaha! cafecam abuse!
01:15:15 <sbp> betting $500 on a sports event - with someone else's money
01:15:21 <AaronSw> heh:
01:15:21 <AaronSw> .google porn
01:15:22 <xena> porn: http://drew.corrupt.net/lp
01:15:25 <jillzilla> Well, except I wouldn't care.
01:15:39 <jillzilla> But it's a good idea!
01:16:05 <sbp> heh, that's pretty great
01:16:08 <jillzilla> I'm bored bored bored bored bored.
01:16:19 <jillzilla> * jillzilla whinges tediously.
01:16:27 <Morbus> jillzilla: me too
01:16:30 <AaronSw> Jill? Bored?
01:16:39 <AaronSw> How can you be bored? you have the search ticker!
01:16:42 <jillzilla> Boredom is rare for me.
01:16:43 <Morbus> * Morbus takes flight.
01:16:49 <jillzilla> Very rare.
01:16:50 <sbp> why don't you tattoo parts of yourselves with naughty words?
01:16:58 <jillzilla> It usually means that I'm grossly overworking.
01:17:01 <jillzilla> Hmmm. Wait...
01:17:04 <Morbus> oooh.
01:17:08 <jillzilla> * jillzilla tallies up work time for the last three days.
01:17:09 <Morbus> jillzilla, i'll tatoo you, you do me.
01:17:18 <jillzilla> I'd rather be done than tattooed.
01:17:48 <sbp> erm...
01:17:51 <AaronSw> camera cuts to Morbus' face
01:17:54 <Morbus> AaronSw: ever tried mulberry?
01:17:58 <sbp> sbp has changed the topic to: <jillzilla> I'd rather be done than tattooed
01:18:04 <AaronSw> that was anti-climatic
01:18:07 <jillzilla> * jillzilla has done nothing but sleep, work, and use drugs to attempt to work more for the last three days.
01:18:07 <sbp> heh. I knew I'd get my own back
01:18:10 <jillzilla> No wonder I'm bored!
01:18:23 <jillzilla> sbp: I knew as soon as I said that that it was going into the topic. But it was too late.
01:18:29 <Morbus> jillzilla: tried electric blue jolt?
01:18:34 <Morbus> or the expresso jolt?
01:18:37 <Morbus> penguin mints?
01:18:39 <AaronSw> I have not used mulberry. but cyrusoft sounds familiar...
01:18:42 <sbp> I'm surprised it took me so long to decide that it was topic material
01:18:51 <AaronSw> well mulberry does too
01:19:10 <jillzilla> I'm heading to the zen center in ten mniutes.
01:19:15 <jillzilla> or minutes, whichever comes first.
01:19:17 <Morbus> i've heard good things about it.
01:19:23 <Morbus> i'm tryiing it oyt now.
01:19:58 <jillzilla> I want to REDESIGN EVERYTHING!
01:20:01 <Morbus> ooh. gnupg support.
01:20:06 <Morbus> let's have a key signing!
01:20:08 <sbp> sbp has changed the topic to: Mulberry, Jolts, and Zen
01:20:10 <Morbus> * Morbus waves his hands around.
01:20:11 <jillzilla> yaaay!
01:20:20 <sbp> ooh. beer
01:20:24 <jillzilla> * jillzilla creates random keys and signs them.
01:20:30 <jillzilla> a beer signing!
01:20:48 <Morbus> a peer beer signing!
01:20:54 <Morbus> a peer to beer signing!
01:21:02 <sbp> don't let's get carried away, now
01:21:20 <Morbus> anonymous imap? how's that work?
01:21:20 <jillzilla> * jillzilla gets excited over the difference between voiced and unvoiced consonants.
01:21:44 <sbp> wow. you are bored
01:21:53 <jillzilla> Well, no, that's normal for me.
01:22:00 <jillzilla> Wheee!
01:22:08 <sbp> no, it's normal for me, which indicates that something is wrong with you
01:22:13 <jillzilla> I'm going to code for ten minutes, then go to the zen center.
01:22:25 <jillzilla> sbp: I fear we share this dubious normality, and there's nothing you can do about it.
01:23:00 <AaronSw> A Zen Center doesn't sound very zen...
01:23:06 <sbp> lol!
01:23:07 <jillzilla> AaronSw: ??
01:23:11 <Morbus> heh!
01:23:16 <sbp> sbp has changed the topic to: A Zen Center doesn't sound very zen...
01:23:21 <sbp> oops
01:23:24 <sbp> sbp has changed the topic to: <AaronSw> A Zen Center doesn't sound very zen...
01:23:25 <jillzilla> * jillzilla is relieved.
01:23:34 <AaronSw> * AaronSw feels validated
01:23:55 <sbp> http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=person:AaronSwartz
01:24:11 <AaronSw> "Sorry, this type of URI is not supported by this service."
01:24:25 <sbp> * sbp writes a bug report up for w-v
01:25:00 <Morbus> 9 megs for mulberry. sigh.
01:25:29 <davb> davb has quit ("Client Exiting")
01:25:38 <sbp> 3 quarks for muster Mark. heh.
01:26:41 <AaronSw> Hm, days are so depressing.
01:27:10 <sbp> nights are pretty funky though, aren't they?
01:27:35 <AaronSw> Nights are just when you're depressed
01:27:36 <sbp> cheer up, guys
01:27:46 <AaronSw> after the day depresses you
01:28:05 <sbp> wow. #swhack is in depress-o-rama mood today
01:28:10 <jillzilla> "Night time is only the other side of daytime/but if you've ever waited for the sun/You know what it's like/to wish daytime would come."
01:28:10 <sbp> * sbp flicks through the channels
01:28:37 <sbp> I was thinking more of "Break on Through"
01:28:42 <sbp> but hey, whatever works for you
01:29:07 <jillzilla> I need a greater phi to break on through. I'm instead going to stumble on along.
01:29:32 <sbp> ramble on
01:29:33 <AaronSw> a greater phi? wouldn't that imply that you'd have less divisors...
01:29:51 <sbp> no! she needs a greater work function
01:30:43 <sbp> "hear the wind whistle in the trees..."
01:30:46 <sbp> man, I love this song
01:30:51 <sbp> I love lots of songs
01:30:58 <sbp> but I love this song
01:31:24 <AaronSw> awesome: "Dutch law allows children ages 12 to 16 to make their own decision about sex. But if Mom and Dad feel a relationship is exploitative, they can ask the authorities to investiate."
01:31:37 <AaronSw> Those Dutch are always so ahead of us.
01:32:35 <sbp> oops
01:32:41 <sbp> s/whistle in/within/
01:33:18 <AaronSw> * AaronSw hums a tune that is only half-depressed
01:33:33 <jillzilla> Wow, I wrote more code in the ten minutes since I complained and got all the cool suggestions than I had in the two hours before.
01:33:45 <jillzilla> Haven't tested it or anything crazy like that. But still...
01:34:27 <AaronSw> Moral: complaining is good for the soul
01:34:39 <AaronSw> Hm, I need to code something. But what?
01:34:39 <jillzilla> It broke up a logjam this time.
01:35:25 <sbp> "I've been mistreated babe, I believe I'll shake em on down"
01:35:40 <AaronSw> * AaronSw hunts for a logjam/lumberjack joke
01:35:48 <jillzilla> * jillzilla heads for the zen center. Later!
01:35:53 <AaronSw> c'ya
01:37:21 <sbp> another "Why Python Rocks" article: http://opag.ca/article_mike1.shtml
01:37:49 <sbp> ten a penny, I know...
01:39:00 <AaronSw> I wonder if Arc will have Python's artistry. Probably not...
01:41:40 <AaronSw> I think I will fix the cgi module.
01:41:45 <AaronSw> Gee, I'm feeling less depressed already.
01:41:47 <sbp> wow, Uche's .sig is huge
01:56:14 <Morbus> Morbus has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host))
01:56:14 <sbp> * sbp downloads Amaya 6.1
01:56:52 <sbp> * sbp wonders what's changed since 5.3
01:57:25 <sbp> Hmm... a few things: http://www.w3.org/Amaya/User/New
02:01:49 <AaronSw> Lisa Rein's songs have surprisingly high production values
02:03:44 <sbp> studio-quality?
02:03:59 <AaronSw> They sound that way, I'm not really one to judge, though.
02:04:08 <sbp> @ http://www.nytimes.com/2002/05/01/science/01HUBB.html
02:04:22 <GabeW> GabeW (~Gabe@12-236-237-100.client.attbi.com) has joined #swhack
02:04:42 <chumpy> A: http://www.nytimes.com/2002/05/01/science/01HUBB.html from sbp
02:05:08 <sbp> come on, chumpy!
02:05:12 <sbp> dear me
02:05:16 <sbp> A:|Telescope Opens Window on Dawn of the Universe
02:05:17 <AaronSw> heh
02:05:33 <chumpy> titled item A
02:06:00 <sbp> it'll be slower than logster soon
02:06:38 <Ash> A:\Telescope Opens Window of the Damned on the Universe
02:06:48 <AaronSw> it's A:: here, ash
02:06:54 <Ash> Oh!
02:06:56 <sbp> heh
02:06:59 <Ash> A::Telescope Opens Window of the Damned on the Universe
02:07:06 <AaronSw> I'd move it to vorpal, but i can't ge thte stupif xslt to work
02:07:10 <Ash> That's how I read it
02:07:10 <Ash> heh
02:07:13 <sbp> ASH DOESNOT NOWE HOW TO USE TEH CHUMP!
02:07:17 <Ash> window of damned
02:07:18 <chumpy> commented item A
02:07:34 <sbp> Aaron: why not?
02:07:45 <Ash> sbp: NO, TEH CHUMPEY DOSE NOT KNOE HOW TO POEST TEH QUESTANS@!%1
02:07:55 <sbp> heh, heh
02:08:20 <AaronSw> Becuase the xslt module has this weird thing where it will generate foo.html for a foo.xml file, but since there's no actual index.html file it puts up a 404 for the directory rather than display the html
02:08:31 <AaronSw> i guess i could generate the html statically, but it's a bit of a pain
02:08:35 <sbp> ug
02:08:38 <sbp> s/ug/ugh/
02:10:33 <AaronSw> have you seen her dressed in bleu? seen the sky in front of you?
02:12:33 <sbp> who?
02:15:14 <AaronSw> * AaronSw was singing
02:15:26 <sbp> * sbp guessed as much
02:15:34 <AaronSw> The girl who comes in colors, of course
02:15:57 <AaronSw> "The APL programming language had lots of nifty characters. They look best when printed by the IBM Selectric typeball."
02:16:03 <AaronSw> ooh, Mac Propeller (U2318)
02:16:07 <sbp> heh
02:16:54 <AaronSw> the APL lamp looks uncanilly like a fingertip
02:17:05 <sbp> I don't think that dogcow should be allowed in here without moofing at least every five minutes
02:17:17 <AaronSw> there's a dogcow unicode character?!
02:17:19 <sbp> .google APL programming language
02:17:20 <xena> APL programming language: http://www.users.cloud9.net/~bradmcc/APL.html
02:17:53 <sbp> heh: "Famous for its enormous character set, and for being able to write whole accounting packages or air traffic control systems with a few incomprehensible key strokes."
02:22:07 <sbp> Gotta run
02:31:17 <AaronSw> http://www.aaronsw.com/2002/cgi2.py
02:32:35 <davb> davb (~chatzilla@alb-24-58-160-79.nycap.rr.com) has joined #swhack
02:38:14 <jeremiah> jeremiah (~chatzilla@ip68-10-31-209.hr.hr.cox.net) has joined #swhack
02:38:18 <jeremiah> hello
02:40:35 <AaronSw> hey jeremiah
02:40:46 <jeremiah> how's life?
02:41:08 <AaronSw> Alright. I was feeling sort of down but I started coding and now I'm feeling better. You?
02:41:14 <jeremiah> pretty good
02:41:19 <jeremiah> plesh working out well?
02:41:59 <AaronSw> Alright...I've been sort of neglecting it.
02:42:07 <jeremiah> oh
02:42:14 <jeremiah> what're you working on now?
02:42:21 <jeremiah> I'm thinking of using pythoncard for the GUI for novocaine
02:42:24 <jeremiah> it should be simple
02:42:36 <AaronSw> PythonCard: neat, i'm interested in hearing how it is
02:42:59 <AaronSw> right now i'm working on a Python mock-up of Semantic Web Services
02:43:01 <jeremiah> yeah I just downloaded it, haven't messed around yet
02:43:03 <jeremiah> cool
02:43:13 <jeremiah> about the swservices
02:43:33 <davb> AaronSw: cool.
02:43:39 <jeremiah> so is this a replacement for XMLRPC/SOAP or what?
02:43:43 <AaronSw> yeah, pretty much
02:43:47 <jeremiah> cool
02:44:06 <jeremiah> I think sleep makes you think about things, and I can see how people get irritated about SOAP now
02:44:23 <AaronSw> Neat.
02:44:33 <jeremiah> but i think it could be made to be Restful, so it would be satisfying somewhat, even though it might still make sense to be RPC
02:47:54 <walloper> <lilo> Hi all. Restart on services in progress, shouldn't be intensely painful.
02:50:07 <davb> davb has quit ("ChatZilla 0.8.6 [Mozilla rv:1.0rc1/20020417]")
02:50:15 <walloper> <lilo> Services has been restarted. Thanks for your patience.
02:50:35 <davb> davb (~chatzilla@alb-24-58-160-79.nycap.rr.com) has joined #swhack
02:51:15 <AaronSw> hm, Somewhere Over the Rainbow, Israel Kamakawiwo'ole is quite pleasant
02:54:08 <AaronSw> * AaronSw tries to think of a filename for his SWS api
02:56:39 <GabeW> GabeW has quit ("Client Exiting")
03:00:28 <jeremiah> AaronSw: you should make the name relate to a cleaning product
03:00:32 <jeremiah> like soap, but not
03:00:35 <AaronSw> Heh, heh
03:01:44 <jeremiah> trying to get wxPython working
03:02:02 <jeremiah> it's a little complex
03:05:09 <AaronSw> heh, i love "Yankee Doodle Go Home"
03:06:43 <jeremiah> grr
03:06:59 <jeremiah> locale problems
03:07:03 <jeremiah> it should default to english
03:07:05 <jeremiah> but it doesn't wanna
03:07:26 <AaronSw> "Do you want the war to end on a note of triumph or disaster?" "Like either way man, just so it swings. Scooby-dooby-doo!"
03:18:13 <sbp> * sbp waves
03:18:26 <AaronSw> wb
03:18:30 <sbp> ty
03:18:32 <AaronSw> np
03:18:37 <sbp> :-)
03:18:40 <AaronSw> Got any coding you'd like done?
03:19:20 <sbp> yeah. code me a guidance mechanism for a rocket
03:19:34 <sbp> oops, that's kinda a secret
03:19:41 <AaronSw> :-)
03:19:49 <AaronSw> try again
03:20:08 <AaronSw> "Nuclear Missle Package. This is under the GNU GPL 2.0. The missles are not."
03:20:21 <sbp> you could make this big decntralized P2P application that hashes data and stores it in a big triples database
03:20:31 <sbp> * sbp listens to "As I Went Out One Morning"
03:20:33 <sbp> heh
03:20:57 <sbp> the missiles are under GPL 1
03:27:04 <AaronSw> Aargh, my hair is so short!
03:27:23 <sbp> wear a wig
03:27:44 <AaronSw> Make me
03:27:53 <AaronSw> * AaronSw pumps fist
03:27:54 <AaronSw> got one!
03:28:10 <AaronSw> yeah, yeah, i know. that was sort of sleezey. i was desperate
03:28:18 <sbp> Mmmkay
03:29:23 <jeremiah> hmm
03:29:34 <jeremiah> * jeremiah wonders about getting involved with PythonCard
03:29:37 <jeremiah> which btw: is rather cool
03:29:46 <jeremiah> but still sorta sucky for a 'real' gui application
03:29:47 <AaronSw> glad to here it
03:29:50 <AaronSw> hm
03:29:59 <jeremiah> doesn't appear to support drag and drop
03:30:03 <jeremiah> and wxWindows is kinda limited
03:30:41 <jeremiah> * jeremiah is going to bed
03:30:42 <jeremiah> goodnight
03:30:54 <sbp> c'ya
03:31:44 <AaronSw> ditto
03:32:29 <Ash> Ash is now known as wmf
03:32:43 <wmf> ehehehe
03:32:52 <AaronSw> uh oh
03:32:56 <sbp> Hmm...
03:33:03 <wmf> wmf is now known as Ash
03:33:25 <Ash> heh heh
03:47:48 <AaronSw> * AaronSw looks for today's photo
03:48:00 <davb_> davb_ (~chatzilla@alb-24-58-160-125.nycap.rr.com) has joined #swhack
03:48:13 <davb> davb has quit (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: davb_!~chatzilla@alb-24-58-160-125.nycap.rr.com)))
03:48:24 <davb_> davb_ is now known as davb
03:51:28 <deus_x> deus_x has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
04:07:51 <AaronSw> hm, i should have taken it while it was daylight
04:08:13 <AaronSw> the world is much more interesting than my house
04:11:17 <AaronSw> * AaronSw uploads today's photo
04:13:43 <AaronSw> .dns www.creativecommons.org
04:13:44 <xena> www.creativecommons.org - gaierror: (-2, 'Name or service not known')
04:14:00 <sbp> URI?
04:14:38 <AaronSw> http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/000239
04:15:13 <sbp> thanks
04:15:17 <sbp> and it's... a bulb!
04:15:38 <sbp> quite cool, actually
04:15:56 <AaronSw> thanks
04:16:39 <sbp> ooh, I hadn't seen the shadow one before
04:17:31 <sbp> that was clearly before the haircut :-)
04:17:39 <AaronSw> heh!
04:18:04 <davb> davb has quit ("ChatZilla 0.8.5 [Mozilla rv:0.9.8/20020204]")
04:18:05 <AaronSw> i'm making it a goal to get outside take "Religion" tomorrow... well, if it's nice
04:18:10 <AaronSw> outside
04:18:42 <sbp> how does one take "Religion"?
04:19:06 <AaronSw> with a camera. it's a photo
04:19:17 <AaronSw> albeit currently a theoretical one
04:19:34 <AaronSw> well i've seen it, so it's not entirely theoretical
04:19:36 <sbp> i.e. wait and see
04:19:56 <AaronSw> I lack the proper photographic terminology here.
04:20:10 <sbp> any smeckily dundle, it's getting latish
04:21:12 <AaronSw> the photo might be offensive to xians tho
04:21:23 <AaronSw> * AaronSw standardizes on size=medium for all his photos, fixes some
04:21:45 <sbp> you need a size 0.95 * large
04:21:55 <AaronSw> why's that?
04:22:16 <sbp> the picture fits in 800x600 nicely, but it makes the whole page just a little too wide
04:22:24 <AaronSw> Ah.
04:23:05 <AaronSw> they're nicely adjustable
04:23:11 <AaronSw> medium is 480 by 480
04:23:27 <AaronSw> .py .95 * 480
04:23:37 <AaronSw> .py .95 * 480
04:23:37 <xena> 456.0
04:24:12 <AaronSw> * AaronSw sets to 450 and regenerates
04:26:19 <AaronSw> hm, that didn't seem to do anything
04:29:48 <sbp> large is still a bit too big
04:29:56 <sbp> perhaps you should just make the right margin 0
04:30:27 <AaronSw> perhaps you should go to a higher resolution
04:31:16 <sbp> perhaps you should make me
04:32:17 <sbp> heh, anyway, the sun's going to rise soon!
04:32:28 <sbp> we're drawing towards summer, ever onwards
04:32:33 <AaronSw> I'm tempted to watch...
04:32:37 <sbp> ooh, those lines were of the same length
04:33:13 <sbp> Gotta run
04:33:30 <AaronSw> nite
04:36:27 <AaronSw> lol! http://www.mnftiu.cc/mnftiu.cc/war8.html
04:41:44 <Ash> heh heh
04:58:07 <AaronSw> kottke: "Americans are of the belief that when life hands you lemons, you sue the ever-living shit out of the person or company that will yield the most money, regardless of who is at fault."
05:06:51 <AaronSw> lol: "Nicole Kidman plays a turn of century love goddess. And she falls in love with a penniless software writer. But a venture capitalist becomes an unwelcome third. So they hide their love until the initial public offering."
05:50:16 <AaronSw> cool: http://www.tvbarn.com/2002/dvsfox.html
05:53:48 <Ash> Ash has quit ("hail satan")
05:53:48 <AaronSw> <wmf> whoa, Bob Dylan doing "Creep"
05:53:54 <AaronSw> that's gotta be so freaky
05:54:22 <AaronSw> * AaronSw downloads
05:59:57 <Seth> Seth has quit ()
06:02:47 <AaronSw> heh, it is a little weird
06:03:09 <AaronSw> Dylan: "I wish I was SPEHcial. I wish I was SPEHcial."
06:03:20 <AaronSw> "But I'm a CREEeeeeeep."
06:04:33 <AaronSw> heh, he got someone with a high voice to back him up
06:09:51 <AaronSw> sleeptime. laters.
06:33:56 <jillium> jillium (~jill@dsl092-186-227.sfo2.dsl.speakeasy.net) has joined #swhack
06:34:04 <jillium> This code is very hacky.
06:34:17 <jillium> I'll have to look at it tomorrow to be sure (I'm too caught up in in right now).
06:34:23 <jillium> But it ain't pretty.
06:34:29 <jillium> * jillium just needed to share that.
07:14:46 <quasi> to be sure that it is very hacky? or to be sure that really works[tm]?
07:36:06 <jillium> to be sure it's hacky. I've written lots of unit tests.
07:36:19 <jillium> Though I need to hand-check the tests for sanity as well. I"m quite tired.
07:36:41 <jillium> * jillium waves to quasi.
07:38:02 <quasi> * quasi waves back
07:39:17 <quasi> * quasi is also very tired - maybe coffee will make it easier to get up and out of bed ;)
07:40:30 <jillium> * jillium smiles.
07:40:42 <jillium> I, on the other hand, am just about to fall face-first into bed.
07:40:47 <jillium> Good morning to you!
07:41:15 <quasi> good night to you ;)
07:41:29 <jillium> * jillium collapses.
08:39:51 <syn|ack_> syn|ack_ (~synack@210-86-61-22.jetstart.xtra.co.nz) has joined #swhack
08:39:59 <syn|ack_> hi folks
08:43:19 <rik> rik (spamtrap@dsl-212-23-24-254.zen.co.uk) has joined #swhack
08:43:45 <rik> * rik waves at people.
08:43:56 <syn|ack_> hiya rik
08:44:04 <rik> hihi
08:44:16 <rik> oh look, it's a whole load of people i know from other channels :)
08:44:43 <rik> hm. there's only 9 people out of 20 i don't know here.
08:44:55 <syn|ack_> and 5 of them are bots?
08:46:07 <rik> uhm. possibly :)
08:46:14 <rik> hold on.. imwheel guy just woke up.
08:46:18 <syn|ack_> i think all the voiced are bots
08:47:58 <rik> ahh
08:48:10 <rik> in that case, it drops to 5
08:48:39 <quasi> * quasi is no bot ... (at least I don't think so :)
08:48:49 <rik> heh
08:48:59 <rik> okay, are AaronSw or sbp awake?
08:49:00 <syn|ack_> hmmm...bot with emotes...
08:49:11 <syn|ack_> * syn|ack_ grins at quasi
08:53:46 <rik> hm. looks like we may just have to find out about RDF ourselves....
10:12:42 <syn|ack_> syn|ack_ has quit ("[x]chat")
10:28:01 <jeremiah> jeremiah has quit (Remote closed the connection)
10:38:06 <Lion7> Lion7 (erffff@ALimoges-101-1-5-62.abo.wanadoo.fr) has joined #swhack
10:42:30 <Lion7> Lion7 has quit (Client Quit)
10:45:39 <cursedLao> cursedLao (~davcha@lns02m-4-84.w.club-internet.fr) has joined #swhack
10:45:55 <cursedLao> cursedLao has left #swhack
12:50:28 <Morbus> Morbus (~morbus@morbus.totalnetnh.net) has joined #swhack
12:55:51 <rik> * rik waves at Morbus
12:56:29 <Morbus> * Morbus peers at rik.
12:56:36 <Morbus> * Morbus peers at title bar.
12:56:39 <Morbus> * Morbus peers back at rik.
12:56:42 <Morbus> ...
12:56:44 <Morbus> * Morbus scratches head.
12:56:48 <Morbus> stupid windows.
12:56:51 <Morbus> * Morbus restarts computer.
12:56:54 <rik> * rik scratches Morbus's head too
12:58:56 <Morbus> bwahahaha:
12:58:58 <Morbus> [[[
12:58:58 <Morbus> A member of your Internet service has sent me a virus. The members id is
12:58:59 <Morbus> aaronsw. I want more information on this person. This type of Internet
12:58:59 <Morbus> piracy needs to be stopped. I can supply you with what ever information you
12:58:59 <Morbus> need. For now I am not going to take this issue any further if I do not get
12:59:00 <Morbus> a response from you I shall have no choice but to seek damages.
12:59:01 <Morbus> ]]]
12:59:06 <Morbus> names changed to make fun of the innocent.
12:59:20 <Morbus> this is the sort of crap I get in my email. from an aol address, of course.
12:59:52 <rik> hahah
13:04:47 <rik> rik has quit (carter.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net)
13:05:01 <rik> rik (spamtrap@dsl-212-23-24-254.zen.co.uk) has joined #swhack
13:15:45 <davb> davb (~dave@rrcs-nys-24-97-22-203.biz.rr.com) has joined #swhack
13:22:32 <Pawn> Pawn has left #swhack
14:15:25 <tansaku_x> tansaku_x has quit ("http://www.neurogrid.net or nothing at all")
14:17:33 <davb> davb has quit ()
14:18:35 <quasi> Morbus: you must pay up immediately ;)
14:18:39 <davb> davb (~chatzilla@rrcs-nys-24-97-22-203.biz.rr.com) has joined #swhack
14:24:32 <Morbus> heh, heh.
14:24:40 <tansaku_x> tansaku_x (~sam@h134-091.tokyu-net.catv.ne.jp) has joined #swhack
14:24:45 <Morbus> my boss just gave me the go-ahead to write a "Morbus" sorta email back.
14:24:49 <Morbus> I love having that license ;)
14:38:28 <quasi> * quasi is AFK - hoegaarden time ;)
14:47:01 <AaronSw> morning
14:47:13 <AaronSw> * AaronSw reads Discovdering Games 6
14:48:27 <AaronSw> Whoa, a Scott McCloud photo! He's blond!
14:58:25 <deus_x> deus_x (~deusx@bgp995433bgs.nanarb01.mi.comcast.net) has joined #swhack
15:15:06 <AaronSw> It's a new month, and we all know what that means: mailman spam!
15:15:14 <Morbus> heh, heh.
15:15:23 <Morbus> i hate that stuff. i got like five already.
15:16:16 <rik> It's a new month, and we all know what that means: reminders about lists you forgot you were subscribed to, so you can now unsibscribe.
15:19:56 <AaronSw> whoa, rik is in here
15:20:08 <AaronSw> I curse the people who invented those things...
15:20:29 <Morbus> i can't stand mailman.
15:20:37 <Morbus> i hate that you need a password, and i hate that the email interface sucks.
15:20:42 <Morbus> that's the only reason i've stuck with majordomo.
15:20:47 <Morbus> i haven't found anything better.
15:20:49 <AaronSw> want to learn about the Semantic Web, rik?
15:21:16 <AaronSw> I didn't send anyone no virus!!!!!
15:21:40 <AaronSw> oh, names changed. phew
15:22:00 <Morbus> heh, heh.
15:22:03 <rik> ?
15:22:03 <AaronSw> AaronSw has changed the topic to: <Morbus> my boss just gave me the go-ahead to write a "Morbus" sorta email back. I love having that license ;)
15:22:09 <rik> oh
15:22:12 <rik> kinda, yes.
15:26:41 <Morbus> [[[
15:26:42 <Morbus> [11:26] <spartacus> ok... im installing sendmail on my redhat62 firewall. I need it to relay messages between internet and another internal server. where do I begin from?
15:26:42 <Morbus> [11:26] <Morbus> buckets. plenty of buckets.
15:26:42 <Morbus> ]]]
15:26:52 <rik> hhahaa
15:26:57 <rik> well, first, remove roothat.
15:27:00 <Morbus> heh, heh.
15:28:18 <rik> mind you, if he's putting sendmail on there, he may as well call it a shell serer.
15:28:28 <rik> s,rer,rver,
15:28:38 <AaronSw> anybody need a management job in Bristol?
15:28:46 <AaronSw> "you will provide strategic and academic leadership and vision"
15:29:56 <rik> which bristol?
15:30:03 <AaronSw> there are two?
15:30:12 <rik> there's one in england
15:30:27 <rik> there's almost certainly one in america, because the 'murricans can't name cities.
15:30:34 <AaronSw> heh
15:30:35 <AaronSw> anything not in England must be qualified with a state
15:30:51 <AaronSw> compare: Cambridge and Cambridge, MA
15:31:25 <rik> not everyone qualifies though
15:31:36 <rik> and by assumption, it's usually not england.
15:31:58 <AaronSw> Well it is in this case.
15:32:57 <rik> hm
15:33:05 <rik> why do you want to know if anyone wants such a job?>
15:33:35 <AaronSw> its for my friends
15:33:55 <rik> hmm
15:34:06 <rik> well, i go to university in bristol, and i'll be graduating next year...
15:35:11 <AaronSw> ah, interesting. this is at ILRT, some sort of technology spinoff of UofB. it's where danbri (used to) work
15:35:18 <rik> * rik nods
15:35:22 <rik> ahh. it was danbri
15:35:24 <rik> i was wondering
15:35:33 <rik> yes, i've physically stroked that server.
15:35:38 <rik> i used to work in the server room there.
15:35:47 <AaronSw> which server?
15:35:49 <rik> well, helpdesk, but i was root@bits.bris.ac.uk
15:35:55 <rik> www.ilrt.bris.ac.uk
15:36:00 <AaronSw> rooot!
15:36:20 <AaronSw> no wonder their net connection goes down so often.
15:36:22 <AaronSw> * AaronSw ducks
15:36:28 <rik> ahem.
15:37:44 <sbp> * sbp waves
15:38:16 <rik> hey sbp.
15:38:38 <AaronSw> @ http://www.usatoday.com/life/music/2002/2002-04-28-grammy.htm
15:39:12 <chumpy> B: http://www.usatoday.com/life/music/2002/2002-04-28-grammy.htm from AaronSw
15:40:05 <AaronSw> B:|Grammy President Steps Down
15:40:22 <chumpy> titled item B
15:40:29 <AaronSw> B::Unfortunately, not for dissing Napster but for sexual harrasment.
15:40:31 <sbp> lol @ <Morbus> my boss just gave me the go-ahead to write a "Morbus" sorta email back.
15:40:45 <AaronSw> it's in the topic
15:40:45 <chumpy> commented item B
15:40:51 <sbp> ooh, it's even in the topic
15:41:05 <Morbus> heh. anyone have the klez virus? just want to check my filters.
15:41:28 <AaronSw> I think burtonator had it
15:41:35 <sbp> wow, people are here
15:41:45 <AaronSw> wow, sbp is here
15:41:54 <sbp> wow!
15:42:52 <sbp> * sbp goes through deleting his mail
15:43:09 <sbp> junk... junk... junk... junk... ooh, it's from Aaron! junk... junk...
15:43:35 <AaronSw> what'd aaron say? what'd aaron say?
15:44:12 <rik> one would asusme you know.. :)
15:44:19 <sbp> heh, heh
15:44:31 <AaronSw> you think i have time to read every email i send?
15:45:04 <sbp> oh, Fox axed Futurama?!
15:46:04 <sbp> that can't be right, surely...
15:46:17 <AaronSw> you kidding? that happened a long time ago
15:46:38 <sbp> wow. I'm so out of touch sometimes
15:46:39 <AaronSw> .google save futurama
15:46:39 <xena> save futurama: http://www.gotfuturama.com
15:47:05 <AaronSw> 'In an heinous attempt to slaughter all boys of age 2 and below FOX Broadcasting Network missed their aim by a few inches and slashed the the TV show "Futurama" into bloody pieces.'
15:47:19 <Morbus> para #1:
15:47:19 <Morbus> [[[
15:47:20 <Morbus> Alex, thanks for the note. However, it's readily
15:47:20 <Morbus> apparent that you don't know a thing about viruses.
15:47:20 <Morbus> First off, they have nothing to do with piracy.
15:47:20 <Morbus> That attempted association just boggles my mind.
15:47:21 <Morbus> ]]]
15:47:31 <rik> * rik recovers from laughter.
15:47:31 <Morbus> and so on and so forth.
15:47:52 <rik> my mom just walked into my room, and said "I've got a very important question for you"
15:48:02 <rik> so I responded "French Fries"
15:48:05 <rik> and she left again
15:48:10 <sbp> that's funny: BBC news reported it as real
15:48:23 <rik> * rik decides he's psychic.
15:48:46 <Morbus> rik: bwahaha
15:49:12 <sbp> heh, heh
15:49:26 <sbp> she probably thought "ugh, the idiot's in one of those again..."
15:49:51 <rik> no. actually, it was the correct answer to the question she was going to ask
15:49:56 <rik> hence the laughter
15:51:21 <AaronSw> heh, that's awesome
15:52:02 <AaronSw> <morbus> (in schoolgirl voice) can i write him a morbus letter? please? please?
15:52:02 <AaronSw> <boss> oh, alright
15:52:03 <AaronSw> <morbus> woohoo!
15:53:04 <Morbus> heh, heh.
15:53:56 <rik> hehe
15:54:20 <sbp> * sbp decides that he might write an IRC diff bot
15:54:56 <AaronSw> um, what would it do?
15:55:04 <Morbus> well, duh, it'd diff!
15:55:11 <sbp> it would note the differences between channels
15:55:16 <rik> oh
15:55:17 <rik> heh
15:55:28 <rik> i was going to say i decided CVS over IRC was a bad idea
15:55:43 <rik> i was going to implement it in a services bot.. but it turned out to be impossible to do properly.
15:57:20 <rik> how surreal. this mp3 header is corrupt.
15:57:20 <AaronSw> wouldn't it be easier to note the similarities?
15:57:30 <AaronSw> there are less of them...
15:57:45 <rik> xmms's status bar is insisting it's finished, but i know the song, and it has a couple of minutes to go yet.
15:57:47 <sbp> heh. no there aren't
15:59:09 <AaronSw> .py hex(-557122643)
15:59:10 <xena> '0xdecafbad'
16:00:54 <Morbus> good site, so far.
16:02:51 <AaronSw> .dns www.creativecommons.org
16:02:51 <xena> www.creativecommons.org - gaierror: (-2, 'Name or service not known')
16:03:56 <AaronSw> .dns creativecommons.org
16:03:57 <xena> creativecommons.org - 152.2.210.81
16:06:22 <AaronSw> @ http://monkeyfist.com/pix/BAZ/stopedd.jpg
16:06:50 <sbp> heh, heh
16:07:02 <dogcow> BAZ
16:07:06 <chumpy> C: http://monkeyfist.com/pix/BAZ/stopedd.jpg from AaronSw
16:07:06 <tomch> tomch (~lambda@modem-1421.orangutan.dialup.pol.co.uk) has joined #swhack
16:07:10 <sbp> Tom!
16:07:10 <dogcow> FOO BAR BAZ
16:07:14 <dogcow> TOM!!!
16:07:14 <sbp> even up the numbers a bit
16:07:22 <tomch> Sean!
16:07:23 <dogcow> Ooh, your userid is "lambda"
16:07:24 <sbp> by, ironically, making them odd
16:07:28 <tomch> hi
16:07:31 <AaronSw> C:|Edd prepares to INCINERATE a Certain Person with his STOP ENERGY eye beams!
16:07:36 <dogcow> * dogcow wonders if tomch is lisp folk
16:07:42 <AaronSw> C::<bijan> Stoppe Edde before he Stoppes Ye Olde Youe.
16:07:48 <chumpy> titled item C
16:07:52 <dogcow> AaronSw: ROTFL
16:08:05 <chumpy> commented item C
16:08:17 <AaronSw> :-)
16:09:01 <Morbus> You'll get a warning from your SSH client that says "ooga booga! the host key has changed! this is naauUUgghhty! what should I do?!"
16:09:07 <Morbus> ^ I love writing documentation
16:09:18 <rik> hahahah
16:09:21 <rik> want to write mine?
16:09:27 <Morbus> heh, heh. sure :)
16:09:37 <rik> * rik has discovered several bugs in DocBook, and he's not even halfway through his documentation :/
16:09:50 <rik> cool
16:10:16 <Morbus> ooh, i've never used docbook.
16:10:24 <AaronSw> @ http://www.paulgraham.com/thist.html
16:10:31 <rik> oh. it's quite nice. It's how the FreeBSD docs are produced.
16:10:48 <rik> the reason i chose it is because it's a simple xslt-style transformation to any format
16:10:59 <chumpy> D: http://www.paulgraham.com/thist.html from AaronSw
16:11:07 <rik> and it has targets for html, html-split, ps, pdf already
16:11:11 <AaronSw> D:|Olin Shivers' History of T
16:11:14 <rik> and i need both web and hard copies.
16:11:18 <AaronSw> Olin was in my dreams last night.
16:11:27 <chumpy> titled item D
16:11:44 <AaronSw> I'm sure nwalsh is open to patches.
16:11:53 <sbp> "if you haven't been dreamed about by Aaron, you're nobody"
16:12:28 <rik> if you could write about how to install junkbuster, djbdns, bind3, and postfix, using DcoBook, i'd be gratefile :)
16:12:55 <Morbus> bind3 is out?
16:12:59 <Morbus> man, i'm behind.
16:13:02 <rik> uhh.
16:13:07 <Morbus> i mean, i'm only using 9.
16:13:13 <Morbus> i didn't know they were going backwards.
16:13:13 <dogcow> lol Morbus
16:13:16 <rik> i didn't mean bind
16:13:20 <rik> i menat dhcpd3
16:13:28 <rik> bind. me? tcha.
16:13:29 <Morbus> ah :)
16:13:38 <dogcow> Morbus: Dude, I have a leet prerelease copy of sendmail 4.3, want it?
16:13:49 <Morbus> oOOH... wow!
16:13:57 <Morbus> does it have simpler rules?
16:14:03 <Morbus> i hate writing sendmail rulesets <G>
16:14:06 <Morbus> ;)
16:15:00 <AaronSw> D::"I fashionably decried premature optimisation in college without really understanding it until I once committed an act of premature opt so horrific that I can now tell when it is going to rain by the twinges I get in the residual scar tissue. Now I understand premature optimisation."
16:15:32 <chumpy> commented item D
16:20:25 <AaronSw> heh, where's jillium
16:22:57 <AaronSw> gotta ask her about 'the google soup nazi'
16:23:54 <sbp> .seen jillium
16:24:00 <sbp> not a good sign
16:29:51 <AaronSw> An ASH Public Service Announcement: http://www.linuxjournal.com//article.php?sid=6043
17:03:16 <bitsko> bitsko (~ken@kmacleod.static.iaxs.net) has joined #swhack
17:21:38 <dogcow> Morbus: He's anti-punctuation
17:21:42 <dogcow> I think that's a religion now.
17:21:54 <AaronSw> * AaronSw installs Arial Unicode MS
17:22:04 <AaronSw> all 55,000 glyphs, baby!
17:22:39 <jillium> * jillium rises from the dead.. ROWR!
17:22:53 <AaronSw> jill!
17:23:04 <jillium> AaronSw!
17:23:05 <rik> jilllll!
17:23:08 <jillium> rik!
17:23:12 <rik> yes!
17:23:23 <rik> * rik smoochies jill openly.
17:23:43 <jillium> * jillium looks surprised.
17:24:01 <rik> that was the idea.
17:24:01 <jillium> "openly"? Is this something you do in private when I'm not looking? :-)
17:24:12 <rik> uhm
17:24:17 <rik> * rik whistles innocently.
17:24:27 <jillium> Now I understand all those dreams...
17:24:40 <jillium> It all makes sense now.
17:25:07 <rik> heh
17:25:18 <rik> neat. jill's been having erotic dreams involving me.
17:26:26 <AaronSw> heh, i love this google ad: "Where do babies come from / Some days you want a little backup / Google Answers. Get it right."
17:27:51 <dogcow> Isn't he the one that used to cook for the Grateful Dead?
17:28:00 <jillium> respect the #!
17:28:09 <AaronSw> [OLM]
17:28:24 <AaronSw> woo, i can see everything on this page: http://home.att.net/~jameskass/SEEME.HTM
17:28:28 <AaronSw> * AaronSw pumps fist
17:28:42 <Morbus> heh, IE/Moz fail miserably on windows.
17:28:45 <dogcow> respect the #
17:28:45 <dogcow> haha
17:28:46 <Morbus> must... get... back... to OS X!
17:28:49 <dogcow> * dogcow has no respect for #
17:28:56 <dogcow> MY IRC IS AN OPEN BOOK
17:29:01 <rik> * rik blinks
17:29:08 <rik> the # stops bots logging?
17:29:09 <rik> ?
17:29:11 <dogcow> * dogcow writes a bot to paste privmsg's into the channel
17:29:12 <jillium> Yes.
17:29:14 <Morbus> ri: yup
17:29:15 <dogcow> rik: Indeed
17:29:22 <Morbus> all together, now!
17:29:24 <Morbus> :)
17:29:26 <jillium> whee!
17:29:41 <Morbus> so, jillium, heard any good mp3s lately.
17:29:57 <jillium> * jillium hides.
17:30:08 <rik> aha
17:30:18 <jillium> Morbus, this is the busy time in my group. In a couple of days I'll have time to actually do something.
17:30:28 <Morbus> uh huh. sure.
17:30:34 <Morbus> you take drugs for them, but not for me.
17:30:37 <Morbus> i understand.
17:30:58 <dogcow> jillium is busy working on the mp3 crawl that google runs
17:31:03 <dogcow> that's what all those hard drives are for
17:31:05 <dogcow> MP3S
17:31:07 <jillium> It's MAYDAY!
17:31:17 <AaronSw> why is there no special GOOGLE LOGO?!?!
17:31:33 <jillium> Morbus: I'm having to get off the drugs.
17:32:19 <dogcow> * dogcow laughs at winerlog
17:32:42 <Morbus> dogcow: bwahahaha.
17:32:51 <dogcow> I'd like 4 whole fried chickens
17:32:58 <jillium> dry white toaste
17:33:01 <jillium> er, toast.
17:33:09 <jillium> jillium is now known as DanQuayle
17:33:11 <dogcow> I'm getting chinese today
17:33:13 <dogcow> i'm excited
17:33:14 <dogcow> WOO
17:33:27 <DanQuayle> DanQuayle is now known as jillium
17:33:32 <AaronSw> * AaronSw waves to DanQualye
17:33:38 <AaronSw> thanks for droaping in toady
17:34:11 <jillium> AaronSw: Well, you're welcome to come by and say hello even if you don't want to eat. But the cafe has plenty of different things.
17:34:21 <jillium> Oops.
17:34:27 <AaronSw> respect the #!
17:34:38 <Morbus> that needs to go on our charter.
17:34:38 <sbp> * sbp waves
17:34:43 <rik> I SHOT THE SHERRIF!
17:34:45 <Morbus> * Morbus tides himself over
17:34:49 <Morbus> BUT I DIDN"T KILL TEH DEPUTY@!
17:34:51 <jillium> I think Dissing the Octothorpe would be a good name for an album.
17:34:56 <jillium> sbp!!!!
17:34:59 <AaronSw> ooh, that'd rock
17:35:01 <rik> Morbus: you know why don't you? It's intimidation tactics.
17:35:06 <AaronSw> AaronSw has changed the topic to: Dissing the Octothorpe
17:35:12 <rik> the deptuy is now on clapton's payroll.
17:35:19 <AaronSw> .rot13 swhack loggers
17:35:20 <xena> fjunpx ybttref
17:35:32 <Morbus> why butt ref?
17:35:38 <Morbus> i dunno. ass jokes are funny, i guess.
17:35:49 <AaronSw> AaronSw has changed the topic to: Whack Sogger's Debut Album: "Dissing the Octothorpe"
17:37:11 <sbp> * sbp has started on eep3
17:37:25 <AaronSw> not night of the living eep?
17:37:34 <tomch> tomch has quit (Connection timed out)
17:38:49 <AaronSw> here's an interesting question: https://answers.google.com/answers/main?cmd=threadview&id=8143
17:39:16 <jillium> * jillium goes to do some work.
17:39:22 <AaronSw> $50 gooogle answers question is cheaper than a lawyer
17:39:48 <rik> lies!
17:39:55 <rik> * rik nibbles jill distractingly.
17:39:56 <AaronSw> heh: https://answers.google.com/answers/main?cmd=threadview&id=8164
17:40:28 <dogcow> * dogcow dies laughing at winerlog
17:40:34 <dogcow> er
17:40:35 <dogcow> wait
17:40:39 <dogcow> s/winerlog/scripting news/
17:40:43 <AaronSw> winerlog has no unicode characters! not interesting
17:41:01 <dogcow> "He still doesn't get it. His software doesn't work with MY SOFTWARE!"
17:41:05 <dogcow> * dogcow laughs and laughs
17:41:12 <Morbus> wha? where.
17:41:16 <dogcow> Morbus: scripting.com
17:41:22 <Morbus> ooOOh, yeah.
17:41:23 <Morbus> bwahaha.
17:41:41 <dogcow> He's basically saying that because someone hasn't made their software work with whatever crummy product userland is selling, they suck.
17:42:02 <dogcow> Does that mean he likes his terrorism with salt?
17:42:11 <dogcow> OOH
17:42:14 <dogcow> lunchtime, BRB
17:51:40 <bitsko> * bitsko yawns; wants to take nap
17:52:25 <GabeW> GabeW (~gorion@adsl-216-101-18-99.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) has joined #swhack
17:52:49 <AnnoyingBot> AnnoyingBot (~aaronsw@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack
17:52:50 <AnnoyingBot> sbp` is on #sbp! That's 1 annoying person!
17:53:01 <AaronSw> oops, wrong channel
17:53:04 <AnnoyingBot> AnnoyingBot has left #swhack
17:53:44 <sbp> heh, heh
17:54:53 <bitsko> bitsko has quit ("Leaving")
18:00:02 <AaronSw> interesting: http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2000/scribe-bot/beepOnMyName.py
18:06:35 <Seth> Seth (~seth@12-230-243-179.client.attbi.com) has joined #swhack
18:13:27 <AaronSw> * AaronSw hacks on a new bot in #wizard
18:13:57 <rik> hehe
18:16:58 <AaronSw> ok, somebody /msg TheWizard
18:20:58 <jillium> pssst...thewizard should spell it "processing".
18:21:11 <AaronSw> * AaronSw iinforms the wizard
18:23:15 <jillium> This is more fun than ELIZA.
18:23:22 <AaronSw> Heh.
18:23:25 <rik> * rik tickles jill under the chin
18:23:37 <AaronSw> where's sbp?
18:24:41 <AaronSw> I can't wait until more people get involved and the wizard gets a personality.
18:25:11 <jillium> if sbp is training thewizard, it should get quite an interesting personality.
18:25:18 <jillium> But don't let Morbus NEAR Thewizard!
18:25:34 <rik> is it a Markov chain bot?
18:26:24 <AaronSw> not exactly...
18:28:59 <GabeW> AaronSw: This is very kewl
18:29:03 <AaronSw> thanks
18:29:12 <GabeW> I'm corrupting it as we speak
18:29:15 <AaronSw> hehe
18:29:25 <AaronSw> it seems to get confused when two people are talking to it, tho
18:29:57 <GabeW> using rdf?
18:30:23 <AaronSw> it doesn't export in rdf yet
18:30:28 <AaronSw> but uses similar concepts
18:31:09 <GabeW> oh
18:31:17 <GabeW> I thought it was trying to parse my english into rdf triples maybe
18:33:29 <AaronSw> It'd be cool to make it parse lojban into RDF triples.
18:33:32 <AaronSw> That'd be easier...
18:34:03 <davb> davb has quit ("ChatZilla 0.8.6 [Mozilla rv:1.0rc1/20020417]")
18:34:32 <GabeW> wow, it does inferencing
18:34:39 <AaronSw> * AaronSw peeks at the logs
18:35:21 <AaronSw> hey!
18:35:49 <GabeW> oops
18:37:10 <jillium> * jillium tells TheWizard her most personal goals, hopes, dreams, and fantasies.
18:37:30 <AaronSw> TheWizard is pretty popular, it seems.
18:37:42 <jillium> Nothing like a good listener. :-)
18:38:16 <GabeW> ask TheWizard who jillzilla is
18:38:19 <rik> jillium = listen( mySocket, 5 );
18:38:46 <GabeW> cya - need to run]
18:38:48 <GabeW> GabeW has quit ("Client Exiting")
18:39:20 <jillium> What did thewizard say?
18:39:27 <AaronSw> About what?
18:39:32 <jillium> about who jillzilla is.
18:39:49 <AaronSw> <TheWizard> GabeW said jillzilla is an FBI/CIA/NSA/DSA SpookBot. I think he was lying, though.
18:40:21 <jillium> Hee.
18:40:29 <jillium> * jillium looks mysterious.
18:40:40 <AaronSw> Heh heh.
18:40:47 <rik> heheh
18:41:19 <AaronSw> I'm really surprised that such a simple bot worked so well.
18:41:39 <AaronSw> I can't wait to get him to talk to sbp.
18:41:54 <rik> heheh
18:44:54 <jillium> Where did she come from?
18:45:09 <jillium> * jillium wants to watch sbp and thewizard talk in real time.
18:46:43 <AaronSw> Alright.
18:48:40 <AaronSw> If it's OK with sbp...
18:49:08 <jillium> * jillium feels voyeuristic.
18:50:47 <dogcow> Sweet
18:51:09 <dogcow> my company is buying health club memberships
18:51:16 <dogcow> if you go 12 times or more a month it's free
18:51:19 <dogcow> woot woot
18:51:38 <AaronSw> * AaronSw watchs Maddy on the BBC
18:51:53 <AaronSw> she's some sort of AIbot
18:51:59 <AaronSw> http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/tw/2002/may01maddy.shtml
18:52:01 <dogcow> AIBOT
18:52:31 <davb> davb (~chatzilla@rrcs-nys-24-97-22-203.biz.rr.com) has joined #swhack
19:01:32 <sbp> * sbp waves
19:01:38 <rik> sbp!
19:02:50 <AaronSw> sbp!
19:03:43 <AaronSw> Would you like to meet the wizard?
19:04:14 <sbp> sbp has quit (Remote closed the connection)
19:04:24 <AaronSw> hm.
19:04:28 <dogcow> Where's the wizard?
19:04:32 <dogcow> I'd like to meet the wizard
19:04:33 <dogcow> hehe
19:04:34 <sbp> sbp (~sean@63.149.73.20) has joined #swhack
19:04:43 <dogcow> HELO WIZEARD WEHRE AER U ?%?t!@#%1
19:04:44 <AaronSw> I think dogcow better stay away...
19:04:49 <AaronSw> sbp, would you like to meet the wizard?
19:05:05 <dogcow> * dogcow chuckles
19:05:06 <sbp> wow, what the crap happened there?
19:05:12 <sbp> <sbp> do I have to? :-)
19:05:15 <dogcow> heh
19:05:15 <AaronSw> *** sbp has quit IRC (Remote closed the connection)
19:05:23 <sbp> Mmmkay, what is it, and what does it do, in three words or less?
19:05:35 <AaronSw> it's a chatbot
19:05:51 <AaronSw> * AaronSw bows
19:06:49 <AaronSw> jillium and GabeW were talking to him earlier. let me boot him up
19:07:37 <sbp> heh. So it has a cross-personality of Jill and Gabe? that must be... um...
19:07:45 <AaronSw> Heh.
19:09:42 <sbp> quite thick at the moment, isn't it?
19:09:52 <AaronSw> You think so?
19:10:01 <AaronSw> * AaronSw peeks at the logs
19:10:03 <sbp> yep. let me test it
19:10:08 <AaronSw> looks like you're just trying to screw it up.
19:10:35 <sbp> I'm trying to turn it the other way
19:10:47 <sbp> but I haven't established what way it is, yet, so that's a bit difficult
19:10:56 <AaronSw> which other way?
19:16:22 <AaronSw> The first person to guess TheWizard's algorithm wins a prize.
19:17:01 <sbp> seems rather human operated to me :-)
19:22:13 <AaronSw> really?
19:22:24 <sbp> heh, no, it's too thick
19:22:34 <sbp> it seems like a straightforward Eliza bot to me
19:22:50 <sbp> with a few rather good sassy AaronSw modifications
19:23:09 <AaronSw> Hm.
19:24:13 <sbp> well, Eliza is just ruidmentary NLP junk, isn't it?
19:24:34 <sbp> the Alice AI bot is quite a bit on from that, but used the same kind of algorithm, AFAIK
19:24:35 <AaronSw> depends what you mean by that.
19:32:34 <dogcow> dogcow has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
19:35:05 <Ash> Ash (~amathews@166.70.121.30) has joined #swhack
19:35:26 <AaronSw> Ash! wanna talk to teh wizard?
19:42:44 <Ash> sure
19:42:51 <Ash> I"m talking to TEH WIZEARD!@#%
19:42:58 <AaronSw> Heh, this should be good.
19:44:02 <Ash> The wizard is incredibly lame.
19:44:44 <AaronSw> Well, you haven't asked him anything.
19:53:06 <Morbus> [[[
19:53:06 <Morbus> [15:52] <sal> ours is 1100$ for almost 2000sqft
19:53:06 <Morbus> [15:52] <patti> silicon valley
19:53:06 <Morbus> [15:52] <sal> ahh
19:53:06 <Morbus> [15:52] <johnpeace> yuk
19:53:06 <Morbus> [15:53] <patti> that's so huge.
19:53:08 <Morbus> [15:53] <Morbus> why thank you!
19:53:10 <Morbus> [15:53] <Morbus> uh. oop. sorry.
19:53:12 <Morbus> [15:53] <patti> hahahahh
19:53:14 <Morbus> ]]]
19:53:16 <Morbus> whoo. i'm soooo funny.
20:08:32 <Morbus> [[[
20:08:33 <Morbus> 01,9904[16:08] Morbus: 01uh. you said something like "morbus, definitely, and without hesitation or thought of previous or future events that may occur, I, without a doubt in any legislation or misunderstanding of the terms set before me, do indeed, want to make love to you. I will enjoy it. So shall you. We'll probably do it more than once, but i'll only undeniably commit to once"01,99
20:08:34 <Morbus> ]]]
20:08:59 <AaronSw> it's, um, green
20:09:09 <Morbus> is it? flipping paste.
20:09:19 <sbp> red and black here
20:09:31 <AaronSw> i've red and black on a green background
20:13:43 <AaronSw> ok, time for a bike ride
20:13:51 <AaronSw> make sure nobody steals anything while i'm gone
20:14:17 <AaronSw> laters
20:14:23 <sbp> :-)
20:14:23 <sbp> c'ya
20:21:38 <DiffBot> DiffBot (~sbp@m161-mp1-cvx3b.pop.ntl.com) has joined #swhack
20:22:04 <sbp> DiffBot, diff #swhack #infoanarchy
20:22:04 <DiffBot> Nicks common to #swhack and #infoanarchy: 9
20:22:04 <DiffBot> Nicks in #swhack not in #infoanarchy: 13
20:22:04 <DiffBot> Nicks in #infoanarchy not in #swhack: 31
20:22:07 <DiffBot> Therefore...
20:22:07 <DiffBot> 40.909090909090914% of the people in #swhack are in #infoanarchy
20:22:14 <DiffBot> DiffBot has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
20:22:18 <sbp> aaaaaaaaaargh!
20:23:09 <Morbus> * Morbus cackles.
20:23:40 <sbp> that's somewhat horrid. and Gabe and wmf aren't even here
20:30:35 <Morbus> .acronym cfp
20:30:39 <xena> cfp: Call For Papers, Certified Financial Planner, Canadian Centre for Foreign Policy Development, Canadian Fleet Pacific, Car Finance Plan, Career Focus Program (US Air Force), Carrier Frequency Pulse, Center-Fire Pistol (firearms), Cold Front Passage, Commission de la Fonction Publique du Canada (Public Service Commission of Canada), Communications Focal Point, Community Fellows Program,
20:30:40 <xena> Computer Fax Protocol, Computer Flight Plan, Computers, Freedom and Privacy, Concept Formulation Package/Plan/Process, Concept Formulation Paper, Conceptual Flight Profile, Contention-Free Periods (IEEE 802.11e), Contingency Force Pool
20:30:44 <syn|ack> hi guys
20:30:52 <sbp> Hi
20:31:43 <syn|ack> since AaronSw metioned how much he hated XML - I've been trying to find out more about they 'why'. So I spent last night reading up on some RDF things. The examples use RDF with XML syntax though
20:31:55 <syn|ack> so you aren't really getting away from XML, are you?
20:32:53 <sbp> there are some good serializations of RDF that aren't in XML
20:32:55 <sbp> .google Notation3
20:32:56 <xena> Notation3: http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/Notation3.html
20:32:59 <sbp> .google NTriples
20:33:00 <xena> NTriples: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/RDFCore/ntriples/&e=921
20:33:03 <sbp> .google NTriples
20:33:03 <xena> NTriples: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/RDFCore/ntriples
20:33:13 <syn|ack> ahh, i've seen you talk about ntripples
20:33:55 <davb> davb has quit ("ChatZilla 0.8.6 [Mozilla rv:1.0rc1/20020417]")
20:34:49 <syn|ack> that first ntripples one is a not found btw
20:35:15 <deltab> remove the &e=921, that's due to google
20:35:45 <syn|ack> ok
20:36:46 <syn|ack> heh, don't view RDF with konqueror :)
20:38:32 <sbp> deltab: can't you fix that bug?
20:40:45 <syn|ack> the notation3 page says that RDF in XML syntax is an advantage
20:40:57 <sbp> it lies
20:41:00 <syn|ack> if its an advantage, why do you guys hate it?
20:41:12 <sbp> that's just TimBL's opinion
20:41:28 <sbp> although if he thought that XML RDF was perfect, I doubt that he would have made N3 :-)
20:41:58 <sbp> you can't really scribble down triples in XML RDF. that's the quickest way to get RSI
20:42:16 <sbp> not only that, but XML RDF is missing formulae, which means it's difficult to express rules
20:42:29 <sbp> well, there are plenty of reasons to dislike XML RDF...
20:42:40 <syn|ack> * syn|ack still hasn't clicked
20:42:52 <syn|ack> * syn|ack is still trying though
20:42:54 <sbp> what's better...
20:43:03 <sbp> <rdf:Description rdf:about="#blargh">
20:43:23 <sbp> <rdfs:seeAlso rdf:resource="http://blargh.org/"/>
20:43:27 <sbp> </rdf:Description>
20:43:28 <sbp> or
20:43:40 <sbp> :blargh rdfs:seeAlso <http://blargh.org/> .
20:43:52 <sbp> not much of a contest
20:44:01 <syn|ack> depends who the recipient is
20:44:15 <sbp> why?
20:44:24 <syn|ack> one looks easier for machines to read
20:44:30 <sbp> yeah. the Notation3
20:44:50 <syn|ack> are there notatation3 parsers in pretty much most languages?
20:45:06 <sbp> Perl, Java, Python, C, Prolog...
20:45:13 <syn|ack> really?
20:45:16 <sbp> yes
20:45:34 <sbp> there are like 5 in Python now
20:45:36 <syn|ack> is that the same for triples?
20:45:45 <sbp> you mean NTriples? dunno
20:45:58 <sbp> well, NTriples used to be a fixed subset of N3
20:46:11 <sbp> and it's much easier to parse...
20:46:25 <sbp> but whether there are any NTriples-only parsers in all of those languages, I'm not sure
20:46:29 <syn|ack> reason i ask, is because the notation3 says it is experimental, where as the ntriples looks like it is more of a standard, no?
20:46:45 <sbp> yes...
20:47:04 <sbp> although NTriples is veering off the mark now, too
20:47:07 <jillzilla> * jillzilla waves tiredly.
20:47:11 <syn|ack> i understand that it is more concise then the XML version
20:47:16 <sbp> the WG responsible for it recently changed it and borked it a bit
20:47:17 <syn|ack> sbp: how so?
20:47:19 <sbp> N3 is more concise
20:47:20 <syn|ack> hiya jill
20:47:32 <sbp> well, they added this XML literal and language stuff in
20:47:47 <sbp> people have come up with copies of the old NTriples just to cope
20:47:56 <sbp> .google Sandro TODL
20:47:57 <xena> Sandro TODL: http://www.w3.org/2002/03/todl
20:48:13 <syn|ack> ok, so in laments terms
20:48:26 <sbp> oh, how I lament over NTriples and XML RDF!
20:48:32 <syn|ack> can i use something like N3 for config files, and reprensenting complex objects?
20:49:04 <sbp> N3 is just as expressive (in fact, more so) than both NTriples and XML RDF
20:49:11 <syn|ack> ok
20:49:14 <syn|ack> that said...
20:49:57 <syn|ack> are there books, resources on how to do it? or is that resource you gave the recommended place to start?
20:50:15 <sbp> Hmm... well, there's still a lack of places to learn about these things from
20:50:33 <Seth> right now im working on Pents:
20:50:39 <syn|ack> that is a problem, and will end up hindering...
20:50:39 <sbp> and it does take a while to get into it, but if you want to learn about specific things, people are happy to point you to the right places
20:50:54 <sbp> well, there's not really all that much to learn
20:51:04 <syn|ack> I'd like to do a small experiement using it for a config file
20:51:10 <Seth> subject predicate object [graph [seq]]
20:51:19 <syn|ack> from there I can make up my own opinion of it versus the XML version
20:51:22 <sbp> just read the RDFS spec., DAML walkthru, and N3 primer, and you're pretty much set
20:51:50 <sbp> well, it's fairly easy to convert between the various serializations of RDF
20:52:01 <syn|ack> should probably read those just after I wake up - you know, just to make sure I don't fall asleep again :)
20:52:10 <sbp> heh, heh
20:53:07 <Seth> Pents are like Ntriples but you add the 'formulas' on the end
20:53:34 <Seth> and you can use jyst naked symbals instead of all <uri>
20:53:53 <syn|ack> hmmmm SWAG
20:54:36 <Seth> but 'formulas' are called 'graphs' instead of 'formulas'
20:54:45 <syn|ack> Seth: currently it's all greek to me..and I'
