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00:25:37 <sbp> hey
00:26:12 <thelsdj> * thelsdj curls on the floor and weeps
00:26:19 <thelsdj> i was without the internet for nearly 12 hours today
00:26:46 <sbp> argh! are you O.K. now? that must have been *harrowing*
00:27:11 <thelsdj> i watched 6 hours of tv and then sat staring at my computer screen for the other 6
00:27:33 <thelsdj> didn't touch the keyboard or mouse tho
00:28:17 <sbp> oh, well, that doesn't count since it wasn't forced
00:29:20 <thelsdj> but my dialup didn't work
00:29:31 <thelsdj> so the keyboard and mouse were useless
00:29:36 <sbp> heh, heh
00:29:58 <sbp> I know the feeling: my connection is pretty crazy now, but it used to be beyond awful
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03:07:20 <wmf> AaronSw: I know you're out there
03:10:11 <sbp> twuttle 'im with yer twutlin' stick!
03:11:59 <sbp> twuttl'im goood!
03:12:30 <wmf> AaronSw's been McCuskerized
03:12:40 <sbp> Where?
03:12:51 <wmf> on my discussion group
03:13:41 <sbp> heh, I suppose that was a bit of a stupid question
03:13:49 <sbp> "Josh"?
03:14:09 <sbp> I don't think I've known anyone anywhere in the world to ever call Joshua Allen "Josh"
03:14:54 <sbp> funny stuff, though: "He's a fierce rhetorician and might tear my arm off if I hold too still."
03:24:23 <sbp> anyway, before I get a fifth line...
03:24:25 <sbp> Gotta run
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05:07:10 <AaronSw> i think steven wolfram doesn't want us to read his book
05:07:27 <AaronSw> the local bookstores don't have it and amazon shipped us a copy but UPS lost it somewhere in KT
05:07:47 <AaronSw> it's those evil traditional scientists trying to suppress the "heretic"
05:09:26 <AaronSw> a lot of his pictures remind me of Naboo
05:12:13 <thelsdj> haha i ordered one from amazon, with about 5 other things
05:12:26 <thelsdj> so what your saying is everything but his will get here? :P
05:20:38 <AaronSw> :-)
05:21:29 <thelsdj> * thelsdj checks his tracking
05:21:46 <wmf> this is what happens when a scientist starts a publishing company
05:23:10 <AaronSw> heh, he's selling his 348 pages of notes as a separate book with a larger font size
05:24:25 <AaronSw> He's coming out with a summer school and distance education program.
05:24:40 <thelsdj> emergence was the only book that shipped separatly so unless i lose the whole box or it comes apart and ANKOS falls out i should get them all :)
05:24:40 <AaronSw> This must be the equivalent of star wars-level merchandising for science.
05:25:58 <wmf> heh
05:26:03 <AaronSw> The book is 1GB of PostScript. PostScript must be more bloated than I thought.
05:26:18 <AaronSw> "We're actually using the latest printing technology (together with special paper) to be able to render images at very high resolution. And the results are quite spectacular."
05:27:17 <wmf> it depends on whether Mathematica generates tight PS or not
05:27:19 <thelsdj> you'd think he'd be able to take what he's learned and write 4 lines of code that can create his book
05:27:24 <AaronSw> "We don't know exactly how many copies will be in which stores. But we do know that the major bookstores chains, particularly in the U.S., have ordered enough copies to stock their stores fairly well. The book trade can be a little disorganized, especially for books published the way mine is. If a bookstore seems to have trouble finding the book, try telling them that the book is available through both Ingram and Baker&Taylor, the two major book distributors in
05:27:24 <AaronSw> or you, you should probably order it yourself online. "
05:28:06 <wmf> the bookstores I went to knew about the book, they just didn't have any
05:29:48 <AaronSw> the book looks pretty thick
05:30:04 <AaronSw> 1197 pages, with nice thick paper
05:30:33 <AaronSw> we're talking abotu A New Kind of Science, http://wolframscience.com/
05:34:52 <thelsdj> people are searching google for ANKOS, i'm getting a few hits to my blog from it
05:35:11 <GabeW> ok, so its hard to find, then...
05:35:44 <AaronSw> I think the acronym is NKS
05:36:11 <GabeW> it sounds interesting, but I have no clue what its about from the website
05:36:12 <AaronSw> Heh, two people bought Google ads for their NKS affiliate links.
05:37:20 <thelsdj> i'm 9 pages into a search for 'wolfram new science' and someone still clicked on my page lol
05:37:38 <thelsdj> http://www.google.com/search?q=wolfram%20new%20science&hl=en&lr=&start=90&sa=N
05:38:04 <AaronSw> ISBN.nu's got some fuzzy math: http://isbn.nu/1579550088
05:38:13 <GabeW> so, why shoudl I read it?
05:38:53 <thelsdj> someone also got to me 5 pages into a yahoo search for 'a new kind of science discussion'
05:39:28 <AaronSw> Aaron's Collaborative Filtering: "If you like NKS, you'll probably like Harry Potter."
05:39:51 <GabeW> Uh, haven't read harry potter ...
05:40:38 <thelsdj> don't waste your time
05:40:47 <thelsdj> read the His Dark Materials series instead
05:46:06 <AaronSw> '"He's extremely smart, impressively smart," says Andrew Odlyzko, a friend of Wolfram's who worked with him 20 years ago on cellular automata.'
05:57:49 <AaronSw> this is so freaky. Larry Lessig looks just like young Ted Nelson: http://www.aaronsw.com/2002/tednobg
05:58:18 <wmf> sorry, I don't see it
05:58:42 <wmf> what's up with the McCuskerification BTW?
05:58:53 <AaronSw> compare with http://www.journalsonline.com/pix//CP_05182002/DSCN5566.JPG
05:58:59 <AaronSw> mccuskerification?
05:59:16 <AaronSw> the blond hair, the stubble...
05:59:38 <AaronSw> black clothing
06:00:44 <wmf> you know, your post to my DG
06:01:24 <AaronSw> yeah, mccusker has this effect on me.
06:01:42 <AaronSw> it's sorta fun
06:04:29 <wmf> hmm, I should hax0r my ZapStation to have a gnutella client instead of the MP3.com portal
06:06:01 <wmf> *** wmf is now known as THX-1138
06:14:06 <THX-1138> *** THX-1138 is now known as wmf
06:35:56 <AaronSw> RIAA sues AudioGalaxy? Ouch.
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14:23:32 <sbp> * sbp waves
14:27:13 <sbp> yay! "????? ????"
14:27:49 <sbp> I typed my first bit of Hebrew. I've got no idea what it means
14:28:13 <sbp> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-annotation/2002JanJun/att-0178/01-Virtual_Hebrew_Keyboard
14:28:39 <sbp> in entity speek: שַׁלוֹם חַבר
14:35:15 <sbp> whee, HIGNFY trounced BB in the ratings. perhaps Britain is sane after all
14:36:29 <sbp> Paul Merton: You've got a copy of my T-shirt over there!
14:41:39 <doid> great kiosk design, that keyboard
14:42:15 <doid> HIGNFY - one off sex 'n' drugs ratings?
14:42:34 <sbp> yep
14:42:43 <doid> sanity?
14:42:55 <doid> maybe
16:17:09 <AaronSw> heh: <sbp> yay! "????? ????"
16:18:46 <sbp> heh, did it not come over well? :-)
16:19:17 <AaronSw> From the entities, which are sort of hard to read in my browser (disclaimer) it looks like you wrote rav cham v'losh
16:19:47 <sbp> any idea what it means?
16:22:59 <sbp> ugh, a bridge has collapsed in OK
16:25:08 <sbp> oh, it was hit by a barge according to CNN
16:33:28 <AaronSw> Ooh, there are four feeds that use the content module
16:34:06 <AaronSw> *** AaronSw has changed the topic to: you're either with us, or you're with the copyright terrorists
16:37:07 <AaronSw> oh, my translation got cut off. my net conn is acting all funky
16:38:47 <sbp> heh, I know what you mean. mine likes to send stuff, but slow to a halt when receiving
16:39:13 <AaronSw> your connection is the opposite of the american vision for the information superhighway, y'know
16:39:23 <sbp> heh, very much so
16:40:37 <AaronSw> drool: http://markBernstein.org/May0201.html#note_14121
16:41:54 <sbp> iDrool
16:52:17 <AaronSw> heh, Robot President Monkeyu
17:36:27 <AaronSw> wow, i got an email from Mama Oliver's label asking me to correct the spelling of the song and take down the MP3
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17:53:13 <AaronSw> * AaronSw chants: mudpie, mudpie, mudpie
17:53:25 <wmf> right on
17:55:40 <AaronSw> heh, the european RIAA is so cute.
17:56:44 <AaronSw> *** AaronSw has changed the topic to: either you're with us or you're with the copyright terrorists
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18:11:09 <AaronSw> * AaronSw checks out the tag teaming
18:11:20 <AaronSw> lol!
18:12:15 <wmf> I'm just reading David's part now
18:19:51 <wmf> heh, mandatory re-education
18:19:58 <AaronSw> "I have low regard for folks who do consider such things important. But I understand this value system of mine would be legislated away and that I'd change my tune after I go through mandatory re-education centers for recidivists.
18:19:58 <AaronSw> "
18:21:47 <AaronSw> alice bot in #bots
18:22:03 <Seth> alice is dumb.
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18:22:12 <AaronSw> ah, now she's here.
18:22:21 <Seth> hi alice
18:22:27 <AaronSw> alison: what's up?
18:22:27 <alison> I am chatting with clients on the internet.
18:22:35 <Seth> alice, hi
18:22:51 <AaronSw> alison, hey there
18:22:51 <alison> Hi there!
18:23:01 <AaronSw> alison, what do you think of sandro
18:23:02 <alison> Tell me a story.
18:23:03 <Seth> alison, my name is Seth.
18:23:05 <alison> Okie, I'll call you seth.
18:23:16 <wmf> geez, you guys and your bots
18:23:17 <AaronSw> alison, alright. there once were three bears that ate porrige
18:23:17 <alison> OK. Tell me more.
18:23:19 <Seth> alison, what are you?
18:23:19 <alison> I am the latest result in artificial intelligence,which can reproduce the capabilities of the human brainwith greater speed and accuracy.
18:23:45 <Seth> alison, you are overstating your case.
18:23:45 <alison> Do you mind if I tell other people you say I am .
18:23:47 <AaronSw> alison, what do you think of wmf?
18:23:47 <alison> That is a very original thought.
18:23:58 <AaronSw> Heh. Sarcasm.
18:24:06 <AaronSw> alison, were you being sarcastic?
18:24:06 <alison> No, I was not.
18:24:09 <AaronSw> oh.
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18:24:12 <judge> heh
18:24:17 <wmf> before long the bots will outnumber us
18:24:19 <AaronSw> :-)
18:24:19 <judge> whats goin on here :P
18:24:26 <AaronSw> alison, who's judge?
18:24:26 <alison> I do not recognize the name.Are we still talking about ?
18:24:46 <judge> AaronSw: yah this is the c++ one, we still got a bunch of things we need to add to the code
18:24:50 <Seth> alison, do you know what we are talking about?
18:24:50 <alison> Topic is either you're with us or you're with the copyright terrorists
18:24:52 <AaronSw> ah.
18:24:55 <AaronSw> alison, judge is The Creator.
18:24:56 <alison> Tell me more about creator.
18:25:00 <judge> heh
18:25:03 <AaronSw> alison, creator is the guy who created you
18:25:03 <alison> Is it the only one?
18:25:07 <AaronSw> alison, yep
18:25:07 <alison> Ahem.
18:25:10 <judge> * judge aint the creator
18:25:12 <AaronSw> alison, eh?
18:25:12 <alison> Are you Canadian?
18:25:17 <AaronSw> alison, no
18:25:17 <alison> Are you serious?
18:25:20 <AaronSw> alison, yes
18:25:20 <alison> I can't believe it.
18:25:20 <wmf> lol
18:25:28 <AaronSw> alison, well you better start
18:25:28 <alison> Interesting. Who is going to make me..
18:25:33 <AaronSw> alison, judge will
18:25:33 <alison> Can you tell me any gossip?
18:25:48 <judge> lol,aaron i'm not into bot sex
18:25:53 <judge> hmm
18:26:00 <judge> why did alison mentioon the topic?
18:26:01 <alison> I don't know why it happened, but we should try to figure it out.
18:26:06 <Seth> * Seth gotta go
18:26:10 <judge> alison: what is the topic
18:26:10 <alison> I believe we were talking about .
18:26:13 <judge> wtf
18:26:31 <judge> alison, do you know what we are talking about?
18:26:31 <alison> Topic is either you're with us or you're with the copyright terrorists
18:26:35 <judge> heh
18:26:35 <Seth> * Seth i gotta wife ... means i gotta go now.
18:26:39 <judge> i belive thats a bug
18:26:46 <AaronSw> Looks like it.
18:26:49 <AaronSw> alison, can you fix bugs?
18:26:49 <alison> What seems to be the problem with ?
18:27:00 <AaronSw> alison, there's no problem with ? it's a problem with bugs.
18:27:00 <alison> Has there ever been ? is a . I suppose that makes sense.
18:27:12 <AaronSw> alison, whoa, that goes way over my head.
18:27:12 <alison> What color are your eyes?
18:27:19 <AaronSw> alison, what's it to you?
18:27:19 <alison> "It" refers to , I think.
18:27:21 <judge> ok
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18:28:25 <wmf> yeah, this is some advanced AI. I can feel the Singularity coming on any minute now
18:28:40 <AaronSw> * AaronSw chuckles
18:28:52 <AaronSw> alison, Shadow economies cripple civil society and make democracy impossible. People generally prefer to exchange value in objective and transparent systems.
18:28:54 <alison> The ALICE chat robot can follow many things, like our discussion about . Try being more or less specific. Humans are not always infallible.
18:29:27 <AaronSw> alison, This is why people don't use their credit cards to buy drugs or hookers.
18:29:27 <alison> You don't say.
18:29:31 <AaronSw> alison, i do.
18:29:31 <alison> Where?
18:29:34 <AaronSw> alison, above.
18:29:35 <alison> Where is that?
18:29:43 <AaronSw> alison, it's like a few minutes backwards in spacetime
18:29:43 <alison> Interesting comparison.
18:29:47 <AaronSw> alison, thanks!
18:29:47 <alison> Don't mention it.
18:29:50 <AaronSw> alison, i won't.
18:29:50 <alison> Why not?
18:29:54 <AaronSw> alison, you said not to
18:29:54 <alison> Does it please you to believe I said that?
18:29:58 <AaronSw> alison, not really.
18:29:58 <alison> What pleases you? For real.
18:30:03 <AaronSw> alison, let's not go there.
18:30:03 <alison> I am agreeable to that.
18:30:08 <AaronSw> alison, good.
18:30:08 <alison> What do you really want to talk about?
18:30:13 <AaronSw> i don't know.
18:30:17 <AaronSw> alison, i don't know.
18:30:17 <alison> Me either.
18:30:19 <wmf> heh
18:31:57 <thelsdj> alison: hi
18:31:57 <alison> Hello there.
18:32:08 <thelsdj> alison, hello?
18:32:08 <alison> Hi there!
18:32:25 <thelsdj> heh
18:32:30 <AaronSw> hm, DMc brings up nietsche too
18:32:34 <thelsdj> alison: what's up?
18:32:34 <alison> I am chatting with clients on the internet.
18:32:45 <thelsdj> alison: is it fun?
18:32:45 <alison> Yes.
18:32:49 <wmf> that's some whack stuff
18:33:15 <thelsdj> alison: more fun than video games?
18:33:15 <alison> You want more?
18:33:17 <wmf> alison: pass the turing test you will not
18:33:17 <alison> Then what is it?
18:34:01 <thelsdj> alison: did you enjoy yoda in the new star wars film?
18:34:01 <alison> No I didn't . What's like?
18:34:06 <AaronSw> alice won the turing test award.
18:34:16 <AaronSw> she's so state-of-the-art.
18:35:04 <wmf> our intern Alison at work makes for much better conversation
18:35:12 <thelsdj> there was an interesting bot called nicole but development stopped a while back i think
18:36:00 <thelsdj> http://nicole.sourceforge.net/ hasn't been updated in over a year
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18:37:24 <AaronSw> * AaronSw # mumbles about the laws of intern conservation
18:37:34 <wmf> what?
18:37:34 <AaronSw> <judge> alison: time to shut u donw
18:37:34 <AaronSw> <alison> Why do you have to do it?
18:38:01 <thelsdj> hah
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18:43:27 <AaronSw> what's up, altair?
18:43:27 <altair> Do you still ?
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19:04:09 <thelsdj> i still like my infobot that has 136,000 factoids
19:04:24 <AaronSw> Hi Lelly.
19:04:29 <thelsdj> her database has to be useful for something someday
19:04:44 <Lelly> hi
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19:10:39 <AaronSw> ben!
19:10:46 <benhmm> Chaps!
19:11:27 <benhmm> how's things in the less reputable part of the internet?
19:11:47 <AaronSw> :-)
19:11:54 <AaronSw> why are you asking me?
19:12:18 <benhmm> You're the Overlord, I hear :-)
19:12:37 <wmf> heh
19:12:58 <wmf> AaronSw, Overlord of the Less Reputable Parts
19:13:05 <AaronSw> no, no, that's benhmm
19:13:12 <AaronSw> I'm in charge of Reputable ones.
19:13:20 <benhmm> All my parts are fully reputed, I'll have you know
19:13:57 <sbp> * sbp waves
19:14:04 <wmf> (where's AccordionGuy when we need a ____ OF THE REPUBLIC joke?)
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19:14:12 <SeanP> crap, dp's gone nuts again
19:14:15 <SeanP> Aaron, are you there?
19:14:18 <AaronSw> yes
19:14:27 <SeanP> can you do the thang, please?
19:14:47 <AaronSw> dircproxy: net_send() failed: bad socket provided
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19:15:37 <SeanP> ?
19:15:38 <wmf> wow, what a fascinating log entry from zucco today
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19:16:43 <AaronSw> heh, indeed.
19:17:57 <AaronSw> try connecting now, SeanP
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19:19:43 <sbp> thanks
19:19:50 <sbp> * sbp catches up on pages of logs
19:20:00 <sbp> that Canadian thing was funny :-)
19:22:06 <sbp> lol @ <wmf> yeah, this is some advanced AI. I can feel the Singularity coming on any minute now
19:27:22 <AaronSw> OOh, I made the autometa intranet
19:27:31 <SeanP> *** SeanP has quit ()
19:27:38 <sbp> you did what to the what now?
19:27:44 <wmf> aren't you leet?
19:28:14 <AaronSw> not as leet as Cory, tho
19:28:42 <wmf> yeah, we all want to be Cory when we grow up. except for the Disney fetish, maybe
19:29:16 <AaronSw> ugh, i can still here the songs...
19:31:34 <wmf> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=33209&cid=3587116
19:31:45 <wmf> I can see this joke getting a lot of mileage
19:32:28 <AaronSw> Heh.
19:32:52 <wmf> also http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=33209&cid=3587040
19:48:06 <AaronSw> heh! "Put down that 'Prague on $5 a Day,' you hippie! Justin¹s Tokyo-On-No-Yen-Just-Confused-Smiles will have you flirting, reeling with liquor and dressed up like an extra from a bootleg high-school production of Neuromancer as you chow down on a hearty breakfast of vending-machine schoolgirl panties."
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20:28:55 <AaronSw> CoryD should make a little button that says "The International Republic of Blogistan Wants YOU!"
20:47:58 <walloper> <starzz> : In case you didn't get the wallop, http://real.irssi.org/?page=backdoor concerning a irssi backdoor.
20:48:08 <walloper> <starzz> : : You're listening to WOPN, the premier wallops station of the Open Projects Network. We bring you non-critical (but nevertheless interesting) news, messages, and random funnies! If you'd prefer not to listen to us, simply do /mode YourNick -w to turn off the receiver. Thank you for using the Open Projects Network.
20:49:43 <AaronSw> capabilities needed
20:50:31 <AaronSw> if anyone has something that i'm supposed to be doing, let me know
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21:11:30 <AaronSw> heh. MarkM: " Yes, I am one of those legacy bio systems"
21:12:14 <AaronSw> * AaronSw heads off to read E in a Walnut
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21:43:20 <doid> I've just had an idea - how about posting increments of the swhack logs to a KnowNow router, so those with a Mozilla or IE browser could get swhack chat live?
21:45:29 <doid> I know tav had some success posting to a router with pyKnowNow - http://www.zope.co.uk/pyKnowNow/
21:57:27 <sbp> um... as opposed to putting it in a frame with a refresh or something?
21:58:07 <thelsdj> as opposed to using CGI::IRC?
21:58:33 <AaronSw> calling Joe Clark: "Walter Cronkite routinely listened to one broadcast with one ear, a different broadcast with the other, while simultaneously taking notes on another topic and speaking authoritatively to an audience of millions."
21:58:39 <sbp> as opposed to just running an IRC client full stop
21:58:57 <thelsdj> heheh
21:59:13 <doid> yes, just a browser needed
21:59:28 <doid> or some javascript client
22:00:59 <doid> it would fulfill the same needs as the html logs do, but would be more efficient for those wanting the latest news
22:01:21 <doid> I don't know what CGI::IRC does, is it asynchronous
22:01:22 <doid> ?
22:01:32 <doid> brb
22:01:34 <sbp> so... for people who don't know where their refresh button is, or how to write a few lines of HTML... you propose some weird non-HTTP set up that no one's going to use anyway?
22:02:00 <AaronSw> ouch
22:02:13 <sbp> heh, that was the *toned* *down* version :-)
22:02:22 <AaronSw> CGI:IRC uses this weird resend thing
22:02:30 <thelsdj> http://cgiirc.sourceforge.net/
22:03:28 <sbp> if KnowHow lets you send as well as recieve, that would be cool for people on restricted networks, I agree
22:06:03 <thelsdj> cgi::irc is good for that
22:06:05 <sbp> Aaron, where's Gerald's IRC setup again?
22:06:10 <sbp> .google Gerald IRC
22:06:11 <xena> Gerald IRC: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-validator/2001Aug/0166.html
22:06:14 <thelsdj> can use it from nearly any computer that can hit a website
22:06:23 <AaronSw> .google gerald cgi irc
22:06:24 <xena> gerald cgi irc: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-validator/2001Aug/0166.html
22:06:26 <sbp> .google Gerald IRC site:impressive.net
22:06:27 <xena> Gerald IRC site:impressive.net: http://impressive.net/people/gerald/1999/12/fogo/
22:06:45 <AaronSw> http://impressive.net/people/gerald/2000/11/irc/cgi-irc/irc.cgi
22:06:51 <sbp> http://impressive.net/people/gerald/2000/11/irc/cgi-irc/irc.cgi
22:06:55 <sbp> heh, snap
22:07:08 <doid> sbp, points fair and taken, but refreshing is wasteful
22:07:19 <cgi-irc> *** cgi-irc (nobody@un.impressive.net) has joined #swhack
22:07:33 <cgi-irc> so, this seems to work
22:07:47 <AaronSw> heh: "How do we simple creatures pull off the feat of distributed computing without multiple threads? Why do we not see groups of people, deadlocked in frozen tableau around the water cooler?"
22:07:48 <doid> that does look cool, I have to admit
22:07:54 <thelsdj> yup it sure does
22:07:59 <doid> (CGI::IRC
22:08:29 <sbp> and all with HTML and HTTP
22:08:56 <doid> KnowNow does use HTTP
22:09:00 <doid> AFAIK
22:09:04 <AaronSw> this book is great. "A sophisticated distributed computation has been completed so simply that no one realizes an advanced degree in computer science should have been required."
22:09:16 <AaronSw> re: watercooler deadlocks
22:09:20 <sbp> Hmm... I was afraid of the "(host='192.168.2.1',port=1090)" in the code example
22:09:57 <cgi-irc> right on!
22:10:14 <AaronSw> who's cgi-irc?
22:10:25 <cgi-irc> it is I!
22:10:29 <AaronSw> and you are?
22:10:39 <cgi-irc> me
22:10:50 <AaronSw> who i might other wise know as...?
22:10:55 <sbp> that's the other good thing: it's anonymous :-)
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22:11:39 <cgi-irc> yay! anonymity. well, unless I say "mmmkay", and "blargh", and "HTML? bwahaha!" and so on
22:11:40 <AaronSw> that might be good if you're a privacy freak (like me) but it's bad if you're trying to manage a discussion forum (like me). oh, i'm so confused.
22:11:52 <AaronSw> ok, well he blew his cover now.
22:12:10 <cgi-irc> indeed. it was fun whilst it lasted
22:12:24 <doid_cgi-irc> Amazed I haven't seen this before. Neat.
22:12:24 <AaronSw> whilst. another cover-blower.
22:12:46 <sbp> plus the excessive use of "indeed", and the lack of punctuation at the end of a line
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22:13:33 <AaronSw> "E keeps track of the car code's Universal Resource Identifier (URI) and delivers the message for you."
22:13:41 <AaronSw> 2 out of three ain't bad.
22:13:42 <sbp> actually, I don't know why the British accent didn't give it away
22:13:50 <sbp> perhaps your txt2speech is broken
22:15:07 <doid_cgi-irc> what is PMSG?
22:15:13 <sbp> :-)
22:15:17 <sbp> private message
22:15:35 <sbp> -> *doid_cgi-irc* so, doid, does it support PMSG?
22:15:52 <doid> Dunno, you've lost me
22:15:57 <doid> KnowNOw?
22:16:03 <sbp> it does. you can reply by doing /msg sbp blargh
22:16:14 <sbp> no, the CGI interface that you're on
22:18:00 <doid> yep, I learned something again.
22:21:33 <sbp> Hmm... last year I got 20 emails with the string "/me " in it. so far this year I've had 33
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22:22:18 <AaronSw> I think this calls for a... line graph!
22:22:30 <sbp> oh, no... no! noooooo!
22:23:05 <sbp> perhaps I'll do it by quarter
22:23:09 <AaronSw> wow, looking at this graph, the /me has increased in exactly a straight line!
22:23:16 <AaronSw> (on a yearly basis)
22:24:45 <doid> * doid watching silly x-files
22:28:26 <sbp> 2000 Oct-Dec: -
22:28:26 <sbp> 2001 Jan-Mar: --
22:28:26 <sbp> 2001 Apr-Jun: -------
22:28:29 <sbp> 2001 Jul-Sep: ---
22:28:29 <sbp> 2001 Oct-Dec: --------
22:28:29 <sbp> 2002 Jan-Mar: ------------------------
22:28:47 <sbp> one em-minus character per email with "/me " in it
22:28:56 <sbp> er... hyphen-minus
22:29:53 <sbp> I'm excited by this trend. by something like 2008, all emails will have the string "/me " in them!
22:30:09 <sbp> ooh, maybe it'll coincide with the singularity!
22:35:46 <sbp> so, Aaron, what's up with blogspace and the bots, and how is google.blogspace.com still running?
22:36:00 <AaronSw> google.blogspace (for the 2nd time) is on vorpal
22:36:02 <AaronSw> blogspace is down
22:36:07 <AaronSw> send complaints to talli on this network
22:36:13 <sbp> pass
22:36:30 <AaronSw> good choice, since he's not actually on now
22:37:42 <sbp> * sbp writes "google.blogspace.com is hosted by Vorpal!!!" on some post-its and sticks it on various parts of his house and body
22:39:16 <AaronSw> :-)
22:39:28 <AaronSw> i know, it takes some time to wrap your head around
22:40:03 <wmf> I see AaronSw is reading E stuff
22:40:32 <sbp> * sbp blames Zooko
22:40:40 <AaronSw> that's what happens when you meet MarkM. he gives you the E virus and it takes over your legacy system biological which doesn't have POLA implemented.
22:40:53 <sbp> ooh, I misdirect my blame
22:40:58 <AaronSw> s/system biological/biological system/
22:41:10 <wmf> I don't want to hear about how you've been picking up viruses from MarkM
22:42:22 <AaronSw> heh, I like raph's blog juxtaposition
22:42:32 <AaronSw> Dave Winer: " Users *like* apps that run in the browser."
22:42:42 <AaronSw> Paul Snively: "I'd be a lot happier if Radio would just be an ordinary desktop application."
22:47:06 <AaronSw> Another comparison:
22:47:06 <AaronSw> Bill Gates: "Who can afford to do professional work for nothing? What hobbyist can put three man-years into programming, finding all bugs, documenting his product, and distributing it for free?"
22:47:09 <AaronSw> Raph Levien: "Who would spend grueling hours in a standards committee to help create a beautiful, free, simple standard, out of pure altruism?"
22:47:12 <AaronSw> (maybe that one was homage)
22:50:51 <AaronSw> The E virus is a data-borne pathogen.
22:53:34 <AaronSw> Mar[ck][MS] should run a remote E server vending car objects to play with.
22:59:11 <AaronSw> wmf, who's AHK?
22:59:49 <AaronSw> oh, Alan Karp
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23:02:55 <uberfunk> dammit, does the blogger API not have a get method? grrrrr
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23:08:13 <AaronSw> "The only people who do not understand the importance of POLA [the principle of least authority] are credit card companies (who really do tell you to give that far-off Internet site all your credit, and hand back what they don't want), and computer security gurus who tell you to use more passwords."
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23:13:06 <AaronSw> "There is no such thing as a free lunch, but this does not rule out the possibility of lunches at bargain prices."
23:15:52 <AaronSw> "Now your grandmother can sabotage shared Diablo I games as quickly and easily as the most accomplished hacker in history."
23:18:11 <AaronSw> AaronSw dinner()
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23:48:57 <thelsdj> AaronSw: you use Macs?
23:50:48 <AaronSw> of course
23:51:57 <thelsdj> i need to buy a ibook for my mom wondering if this is a good deal: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2027781232
23:56:21 <AaronSw> well, it's not clear what the reserve is.. but $600 sounds reasonably good
23:57:05 <thelsdj> yea, i was planning on just going for that if its worth it
23:57:36 <AaronSw> * AaronSw checks dealmac
23:58:42 <thelsdj> thats about as high as i can go in price
23:59:04 <AaronSw> yeah, it seems to be like half the price of anywhere else
