00:00:00 <steadicat> that url almost killed my chatzilla
00:00:00 <Ash-w> http://notabug.com/swhack/chatlogs/2004-02-09#T22-06-01
00:00:00 <Ash-w> http://notabug.com/swhack/chatlogs/2004-02-09#T22-06-01
00:00:00 <Ash-w> http://notabug.com/swhack/chatlogs/2004-02-09#T22-06-01
00:00:00 <Ash-w> http://notabug.com/swhack/chatlogs/2004-02-09#T22-06-01
00:00:00 <Ash-w> http://notabug.com/swhack/chatlogs/2004-02-09#T22-06-01
00:00:00 <steadicat> is splodge's code public?
00:00:00 <AaronSw> y
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00:00:00 <AaronSw> a version of it's here: http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2001/sw/logger/logger
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00:00:00 <sbp> there is a dance
00:00:00 <sbp> it is called "libby is here"
00:00:00 <sbp> and I am performing it
00:00:00 <sbp> uh
00:00:00 <sbp> I mean
00:00:00 <sbp> hi libby!
00:00:00 <libby> :)
00:00:00 <libby> hia sbp
00:00:00 <sbp> verby's been trying out a new bot
00:00:00 <sbp> and it sucks
00:00:00 <verbosus_> heh
00:00:00 <Ash-w> swiper, no swiping!
00:00:00 <Ash-w> swiper, no swiping!
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00:00:00 <sbp> you might also want to /ignore Ash for the interim
00:00:00 <sbp> enjoy your stay on #swhack
00:00:00 <verbosus_> it just speaks too much
00:00:00 <steadicat> thank you
00:00:00 <sbp> check out is at noon
00:00:00 <verbosus_> ciao steadicat
00:00:00 <Ash-w> dora dora dora the explorer
00:00:00 <Ash-w> DORA!
00:00:00 <Ash-w> o/~
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00:00:00 * sbp tries to think of .sig haiku
00:00:00 <sbp> I'm Sean B. Palmer / Blog: miscoranda.com / infomesh.net
00:00:00 <sbp> sbp wrote this / also he says hi to you / you are quite honoured
00:00:00 <sbp> what is this thing, love? / it is programming in bed / it is anal code
00:00:00 <AaronSw> It's apparently Beatles day in the states.
00:00:00 <sbp> I am Ash's friend / he says "BLAMBLAMBLAMBLAM" / We're getting him help
00:00:00 <sbp> Aaron: is it now? / And how did you find that out? / Was it on the news?
00:00:00 <AaronSw> i am quite sorry / for interrupting your thing / of making haiku
00:00:00 <sbp> no problem at all / I was getting sick of it / now I must vomit
00:00:00 <sbp> seriously, reference?
00:00:00 <AaronSw> on the radio / they are playing every / beatles album here
00:00:00 <AaronSw> and they announced it on the grammys last night
00:00:00 <sbp> cool
00:00:00 <sbp> oh then it must be official
00:00:00 <AaronSw> it's like their 9087th anniversary of their ed sullivan show appearance
00:00:00 <sbp> where are my commas? / I think that they've flown away / migrating southwards
00:00:00 <AaronSw> err 40th
00:00:00 <sbp> ahh
00:00:00 <sbp> well that's quite funny / this channel has comment'ry / in Italian
00:00:00 <verbosus> heh
00:00:00 <steadicat> :-)
00:00:00 <AaronSw> I should make a list of technical haiku.
00:00:00 <AaronSw> DeCSS, swhaiku
00:00:00 <verbosus> is there more tech haiku than that?
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00:00:00 <sbp> .google WCAG in Haiku
00:00:00 <datum> WCAG in Haiku: http://infomesh.net/2001/08/wcaghaiku/
00:00:00 <AaronSw> http://perkypants.org/misc/jwz-haiku.html
00:00:00 <sbp> I also did an entire post on the HumanML list in haiku once
00:00:00 <sbp> but you don't want to see that
00:00:00 <verbosus> .time
00:00:00 <datum> Mon, 09 Feb 2004 22:30:02 GMT
00:00:00 <AaronSw> http://www.art.pdx.edu/faculty/facultyhome/pirofsky/technicalhaiku.html
00:00:00 <sbp> pfft: "Mutant interface (GUI) "
00:00:00 <sbp> cop-out
00:00:00 <sbp> you can't add things in parens as if they weren't part of the syllabic count
00:00:00 <sbp> if I can do an RDF/XML tutorial in 5/7/5, anything is possible
00:00:00 <sbp> and what is pdx.edu, anyway? Portland Airport University?
00:00:00 <sbp> heh, it is Portland State. cool
00:00:00 * sbp wonders why they don't have PSU... guess that's taken by someone else
00:00:00 <sbp> Penn State...
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00:00:00 <sbp> jillztab!
00:00:00 <verbosus> ciao jill!
00:00:00 <sbp> you just missed a little discussion that I had with myself about Penn and Portland state universities. it was quite riveting
00:00:00 <sbp> and also, as you might be able to tell from the topic, we're being commentated on in Italian now
00:00:00 <jillzilla> hiya!
00:00:00 <jillzilla> Italian commentary! How lovely!
00:00:00 <Ash-w> /lastloog
00:00:00 <verbosus> well, itÛús not really commentary
00:00:00 <Ash-w> heh heh
00:00:00 <AaronSw> it's more like making fun of us
00:00:00 <jillzilla> Even better.
00:00:00 <verbosus> heh
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00:00:00 <Ash-w> h0h0h0
00:00:00 <jillzilla> ASH
00:00:00 <sbp> ASHW
00:00:00 <sbp> Ash The W
00:00:00 <sbp> Wirelessed Ash
00:00:00 <sbp> it's actually quite amusing watching people say that they're not taking the piss out of you in Italian, and then proceed to say things like "hah haha basta unintelligento nostro di AaronSw a sbp irritazione"
00:00:00 <verbosus> unintelligento nostro?
00:00:00 * jillzilla canNOT parse sbp's comment
00:00:00 <steadicat> your automatic translator sucks
00:00:00 <sbp> :-)
00:00:00 <verbosus> heh
00:00:00 <verbosus> no, really sbp: weÛúre not taking the piss
00:00:00 <sbp> I don't mind
00:00:00 <verbosus> we were wondering what code datum was running on, so I said "ask AaronSw2
00:00:00 <verbosus> "
00:00:00 <sbp> it reminds me of that bit where Michael Palin goes to the Sahara and some guys there are getting him to say words which are probably mega-rude, because they're just laughing their bollocks off
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00:00:00 <sbp> which reminds me of the Hungarian-English phrasebook in MP
00:00:00 <jillzilla> MP?
00:00:00 <sbp> Monty Python
00:00:00 <jillzilla> What was the film..Top Secret, that's it. Where the most important phrase to learn was, "Is your daughter 18?"
00:00:00 <sbp> hehe
00:00:00 <sbp> when people want to teach me bits of a language, I usually ask for "can I have a beer, please?" and "what is your phone number?"
00:00:00 <sbp> I should add that one too
00:00:00 <jillzilla> And then there's the "Wicked French", "Wicked German", "Wicked Italian", etc phrasebooks. I love those.
00:00:00 <verbosus> "posso avere una birra, per favore?"
00:00:00 <AaronSw> yo no soy un cine
00:00:00 <verbosus> I think I might actually have a "wicked english" book :-p
00:00:00 <sbp> sweet. and "what is your phone number?"?
00:00:00 * jillzilla tries to think of what the the Spanish cognate of avere would be...Oh! It must be "haber".
00:00:00 <verbosus> "qual ̬ il tuo numero di telefono?"
00:00:00 <sbp> thanks!
00:00:00 * sbp plans trip to Rome
00:00:00 <verbosus> I'm planning to go there too
00:00:00 <sbp> actually, are the best chicks in Florence, Rome, Venice... where?
00:00:00 <verbosus> I havenÛút been in Rome for ages
00:00:00 * jillzilla is amused. "the best chicks"
00:00:00 <verbosus> Florence: chock full of tourists
00:00:00 <verbosus> Venice: as well
00:00:00 <steadicat> yeah
00:00:00 <AaronSw> Il mio hovercraft pieno di anguille
00:00:00 <verbosus> Rome: quite so, but not so bad
00:00:00 <steadicat> best chicks in italy are foreign tourists
00:00:00 <verbosus> AaronSw: LOL!
00:00:00 <sbp> jillzilla: I'm trying to Morbusize my text
00:00:00 <jillzilla> But aren't the tourists the ones who are on the make anyway?
00:00:00 <verbosus> steadicat: thatÛús not correct
00:00:00 <verbosus> best chicks in Italy are taken
00:00:00 * jillzilla looks up "anguille"
00:00:00 <jillzilla> hahahha, I guessed correctly.
00:00:00 * jillzilla loves the image
00:00:00 <verbosus> ok
00:00:00 <sbp> Il mio Morbus pieno di bicycle repairmen
00:00:00 * verbosus collects "english and american pop & slang" from his shelf
00:00:00 <sbp> he says, in his best Italiglish
00:00:00 <verbosus> "what you wonÛút find in dictionaries" (in Italian)
00:00:00 <sbp> ooh
00:00:00 <steadicat> I have a forbidden american dictionary at home
00:00:00 <verbosus> I am at the Bohunk page
00:00:00 <verbosus> Bohemian + Hungarian
00:00:00 <verbosus> Schlemiel?
00:00:00 <jillzilla> How do Bohemian and Czech relate? I have a notion that Bohemia is a region in the Czech Republic.
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00:00:00 <verbosus> apparently itÛús used in america
00:00:00 <verbosus> for nasty and rude foreign people
00:00:00 <sbp> Morbus: good comedyfest
00:00:00 <Morbus> Now Playing: 'Mary' from Oingo Boingo's album 'Anthology' (Rating: 5/5).
00:00:00 <jillzilla> verbosus: such as?
00:00:00 <Morbus> i'm doing a part 2
00:00:00 <Morbus> failing inventivelty if not heretically
00:00:00 <sbp> haha
00:00:00 <jillzilla> Schlemiel?
00:00:00 <verbosus> yours truly, jillzilla :-p
00:00:00 <sbp> the most recent one's good
00:00:00 <jillzilla> sorry, I misread. What word were you explaining?
00:00:00 <verbosus> Bohunk
00:00:00 <sbp> but they've been 90% "Morbus. you suck ass"
00:00:00 <jillzilla> oh
00:00:00 <Morbus> sbp: pretty much.
00:00:00 <verbosus> apprently itÛús used by black people as a sinonym for "caucasian", or "white"
00:00:00 <jillzilla> Honky
00:00:00 <jillzilla> Which might have come from Bohunk
00:00:00 <verbosus> yeah
00:00:00 <verbosus> itÛús in there as well
00:00:00 <jillzilla> There's also a possible etymology from an African language, but I don't remember which one.
00:00:00 <verbosus> hicky
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00:00:00 <jillzilla> hicky? For a white person? That's new to me.
00:00:00 <verbosus> no, thatÛús another word
00:00:00 <sbp> maybe it comes from hick
00:00:00 <verbosus> yeah
00:00:00 <verbosus> itÛús something you get on your skin
00:00:00 <sbp> oh, *that* one...
00:00:00 <verbosus> like a stain, from someone sucking your neckÛús skin for too long
00:00:00 <verbosus> Gads my life!
00:00:00 <jillzilla> A friend of mine once told me he was going to be seeing his mother the next day and asked me to give him a huge and revolting hickey for the occasion.
00:00:00 <jillzilla> I obliged.
00:00:00 <jillzilla> He looked dreadful. It was great.
00:00:00 <verbosus> heh
00:00:00 <jillzilla> I also earned the nickname "Kirby" for it.
00:00:00 <verbosus> wow, there are illustrations as well
00:00:00 <Morbus> i look dreadful too.
00:00:00 <verbosus> this stuffÛús great! :-p
00:00:00 <jillzilla> (Kirby is a brand of vacuum cleaner, in case anyone is wondering)
00:00:00 <jillzilla> Morbus: do you now
00:00:00 <jillzilla> verbosus: tell more!
00:00:00 <Morbus> i really got you now.
00:00:00 <verbosus> thereÛús this illo of a "fish"
00:00:00 <jillzilla> illo?
00:00:00 <verbosus> which is a fish, next to a guyÛús face
00:00:00 <verbosus> the guyÛús clearly puking
00:00:00 <jillzilla> dear me
00:00:00 <verbosus> jillzilla, have you ever seen Ken Shiro?
00:00:00 <jillzilla> I don't think so.
00:00:00 <jillzilla> What is it/he?
00:00:00 <verbosus> thatÛús a japanese cartoon
00:00:00 <jillzilla> oh
00:00:00 <jillzilla> no
00:00:00 <verbosus> well, about a guy who kills a lot of people
00:00:00 <verbosus> and does so with a technique that makes them explode
00:00:00 <jillzilla> heh. boom.
00:00:00 <verbosus> but before exploding their body starts to have small..
00:00:00 <verbosus> how to say
00:00:00 <verbosus> small hill-like forms all over
00:00:00 * jillzilla dreads
00:00:00 <verbosus> heh
00:00:00 <jillzilla> bumps?
00:00:00 <verbosus> yeah
00:00:00 <verbosus> and then these bumps get bigger
00:00:00 <verbosus> and then he eventually explodes
00:00:00 <verbosus> well, this "fish" guys is all bumpy
00:00:00 <jillzilla> that can ruin your whole day
00:00:00 * verbosus is at the word "fuck"
00:00:00 <verbosus> too easy, skipping this one
00:00:00 <verbosus> fopdoodle
00:00:00 <verbosus> to flake out
00:00:00 <jillzilla> Heh. I use "flake out" all the time.
00:00:00 <sbp> aw man, verbosus fopdoodled all over the fucking rug again
00:00:00 <jillzilla> What does "fopdoodle" mean?
00:00:00 <verbosus> fart and to fart around
00:00:00 <jillzilla> I fart around quite a bit.
00:00:00 <verbosus> fopdoodle? It should be said about an insignificant person, apparently
00:00:00 <jillzilla> The Chinese equivalent of "fart" is used a lot more than "fart" is in English.
00:00:00 <jillzilla> I've never heard "fopdoodle"
00:00:00 <verbosus> is "eye" ever used as "vagina"?
00:00:00 <jillzilla> In Chinese, if you think someone is, as it would be said in US English, talking bullshit, you say that he or she is "laying farts".
00:00:00 <jillzilla> Um, I've *never* heard that use for "eye".
00:00:00 <verbosus> Heh
00:00:00 <sbp> laying farts: great!
00:00:00 <jillzilla> Actually it's more like "putting farts"
00:00:00 * sbp wonders what kind of phrasebook jill's learning from
00:00:00 <jillzilla> verbosus: Does the book include "little fart" or "old fart"?
00:00:00 <jillzilla> Yeah, clearly I should study American English more assiduously.
00:00:00 * verbosus is deuced idiot
00:00:00 <Morbus> Now Playing: '313' from Eminem's album 'Psycho' (Unrated).
00:00:00 <verbosus> no farts, young or old over here
00:00:00 <jillzilla> I will never forget hearing my grandmother talking with a friend of hers about the new priest who had just been assigned to the parish. My grandmother asked, "So, what's he like?" Her friend said, "He's a CUTE little fart!"
00:00:00 <jillzilla> Actually, over Christmas I drank a lot of tequila and told that story to the priest, hahahahahha. He was amused.
00:00:00 <verbosus> ok, I have *never* heard of this one
00:00:00 <verbosus> "copacetic"
00:00:00 <jillzilla> oh, yeah
00:00:00 <jillzilla> it was popular in about 1985-1990
00:00:00 <jillzilla> I never really adopted that one
00:00:00 <verbosus> how about COMMFU
00:00:00 <jillzilla> ???
00:00:00 <verbosus> complete monumental military fuck-up
00:00:00 <jillzilla> hahahahha
00:00:00 <jillzilla> I like it. I've never heard it before.
00:00:00 <sbp> .googlecount COMMFU
00:00:00 <jillzilla> I've heard SNAFU, of course.
00:00:00 <datum> COMMFU: 39
00:00:00 <sbp> I think I've seen it
00:00:00 <sbp> maybe I originated it
00:00:00 <jillzilla> most likely
00:00:00 <sbp> these days, who can tell
00:00:00 <Morbus> [18:36] <Morbus> i'm not sure what you mean.
00:00:00 <Morbus> [18:36] <Morbus> at the bottom of your config file, you have three *.
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00:00:00 <Morbus> [18:36] <Morbus> replace them as I've propositioned you too.
00:00:00 <Morbus> [18:36] Draconis DrBacchus drega
00:00:00 <Morbus> [18:36] <Morbus> DrBacchus: thank god, you're here. I am SOOO horny, and there are no cute guys in here.
00:00:00 <verbosus> clanger
00:00:00 <Morbus> went the big iron bell
00:00:00 <jillzilla> verbosus: huh?
00:00:00 <sbp> oh jill, you miss that. I invented a word today, searched for it on Google, and found that I'd invented exactly the same word two years ago and that no one else before or since had done so
00:00:00 <sbp> er, missed
00:00:00 <verbosus> to drop a clanger
00:00:00 <jillzilla> sbp: hahahaha. Sounds like you.
00:00:00 <jillzilla> verbosus: wtf?
00:00:00 <verbosus> = make a mistake?
00:00:00 <sbp> drop a clanger is British slang
00:00:00 <sbp> quite legit
00:00:00 <jillzilla> ahh, I see. Hence it's in a book of US slang. Of course. What does it mean?
00:00:00 <verbosus> = to make a bloomer
00:00:00 <verbosus> = to drop a clinker
00:00:00 <jillzilla> I see. I like that one.
00:00:00 <verbosus> = to make a boo-boo (!)
00:00:00 <sbp> it's also used as "to fart", I believe
00:00:00 <verbosus> = to make a boner
00:00:00 <sbp> I guess all slang words eventually decay towards "to fart"
00:00:00 <verbosus> heh
00:00:00 <jillzilla> verbosus: I always hear "to pull a boner" not "make a boner"
00:00:00 <jillzilla> I think all slang words eventually decay to execretory body parts.
00:00:00 * Morbus perks up.
00:00:00 <Morbus> boner?
00:00:00 <Morbus> ah.
00:00:00 * Morbus goes back to work
00:00:00 * jillzilla attaches a towing hitch to Morbus' penis
00:00:00 * Morbus plants his feet firmly.
00:00:00 * Morbus gives the signal.
00:00:00 * jillzilla fires up the big diesel truck
00:00:00 <jillzilla> Attach the chain!
00:00:00 <verbosus> B.O.
00:00:00 <jillzilla> yeah, I've heard BO all my life.
00:00:00 <verbosus> body odor?
00:00:00 <Morbus> dude, you're making my penis smell like gas.
00:00:00 <jillzilla> Mostly from people shying away from me on the bus, hahahaha, just kidding.
00:00:00 <Morbus> now both of my ends are stinky.
00:00:00 <jillzilla> Morbus: better than smelling like it did before
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00:00:00 * jillzilla puts the truck into low gear
00:00:00 <Morbus> now that hurts
00:00:00 <verbosus> to bean someone
00:00:00 <jillzilla> awww
00:00:00 <verbosus> = hit someone in the head?
00:00:00 <jillzilla> verbosus: to hit them on the head!
00:00:00 <verbosus> ah, *on* the head :-)
00:00:00 <jillzilla> yeah. do prepositions suck, or what?
00:00:00 <sbp> and "beamer" in cricket is to lob the cricket ball at the batsman's head
00:00:00 <verbosus> *in* the head would sound more like "into", doesnÛút it?
00:00:00 <sbp> hit someone at the head
00:00:00 <sbp> hit someone of the head
00:00:00 <sbp> hit someone set us up the head
00:00:00 * jillzilla stops being able to distinguish prepositions
00:00:00 <verbosus> doesnÛút it?
00:00:00 <sbp> hit someone Morbus' penis smells of gas the head
00:00:00 <jillzilla> No, weirdly it doesn't.
00:00:00 <verbosus> guys, IÛúm sorry if IÛúm making so many mistakes
00:00:00 <sbp> hit someone all your the head are belong to us
00:00:00 <jillzilla> But I don't know why.
00:00:00 <jillzilla> verbosus: hey, this is interesting. These are really idiomatic and tricky bits of English.
00:00:00 <sbp> prepositions evolve slightly over time for *exactly* this reason
00:00:00 <verbosus> jillzilla, I was actually complaining about my error in this sentence:
00:00:00 <verbosus> "*in* the head would sound more like "into", doesnÛút it?"
00:00:00 <sbp> people are all just like "oh wtf I don't care anymore I'll use whatever"
00:00:00 <jillzilla> I wonder if 100 years ago "hit someone in the head" meant "hit someone into the head"
00:00:00 <jillzilla> verbosus: that's what I was talking about too
00:00:00 <jillzilla> sbp is just blathering. :)
00:00:00 <verbosus> where ÛþdoesnÛút itÛÿ should have been replaced by ÛþwouldnÛút itÛÿ
00:00:00 <sbp> oh I mean no offence either
00:00:00 <sbp> I'm quite interested in prepositional drift
00:00:00 <jillzilla> oh, I see. Heh. I was so focused on the preposition I didn't even notice the doesn't/wouldn't.
00:00:00 <verbosus> am I taking this channel too much OT?
00:00:00 <jillzilla> OT? Here? HAHAHAHAHA
00:00:00 <jillzilla> I mean, Morbus and I were just talking about really serious penis pulliing
00:00:00 <verbosus> well, actually...
00:00:00 <verbosus> there canÛút be any OT
00:00:00 <verbosus> first rule: thereÛús no OT
00:00:00 <sbp> read the #swhack FAQ for a list of disallowed things
00:00:00 <jillzilla> :)
00:00:00 <jillzilla> url?
00:00:00 <sbp> http://infomesh.net/2002/swhackfaq/
00:00:00 * jillzilla uses google
00:00:00 <sbp> Google?
00:00:00 <sbp> :-)
00:00:00 <jillzilla> you should try it!
00:00:00 <jillzilla> I love this FAQ. I have for years now.
00:00:00 <Morbus> google sounds stupid.
00:00:00 <Morbus> i only get a hundred million results or something?
00:00:00 <Morbus> pff.
00:00:00 <Morbus> oh, wait, no, there are more zeros.
00:00:00 <sbp> Google: it's the new "sitting at the library trying to find information for your homework whilst being distracted by giantly breasted librarians everywhere"
00:00:00 <Morbus> i'm silly.
00:00:00 <sbp> but without the librarians
00:00:00 * Morbus goes back to mastur... work.
00:00:00 <Morbus> wait, big titted librarians?
00:00:00 <Morbus> i like cuppables.
00:00:00 * Morbus waves to the log readers.
00:00:00 <jillzilla> I'm more drawn to largish
00:00:00 <sbp> substitute "cuppably" "hugably" or whatever per your whim
00:00:00 <Morbus> don't you have gazoombas?
00:00:00 <jillzilla> "possible to suffocate in"
00:00:00 <Morbus> i coulda swore we've had this conversation before.
00:00:00 <jillzilla> Morbus: me? Yeah.
00:00:00 <Morbus> sbp: heard of any workarounds for IE's mishandling of fieldset and legend?
00:00:00 <verbosus> Heh: No "||" or "::" junk: this isn't #infoanarchy.
00:00:00 * sbp soon eschewed that rule
00:00:00 <verbosus> I loathe :: || junk
00:00:00 <sbp> how does it mishandle it?
00:00:00 <Morbus> validated my libdb installer pages to xhtml 1.1, and of course, IE sucxors.
00:00:00 <Morbus> backgrounds the whole span of the legend.
00:00:00 <Morbus> http://127.0.0.1/~morbus/libdb/installer.cgi?
00:00:00 <Morbus> test against that.
00:00:00 <Morbus> so, IE would background the "behind the tab" part.
00:00:00 <sbp> very
00:00:00 <sbp> very
00:00:00 <sbp> slow
00:00:00 <sbp> ah, here we go. are you leeching files or something?
00:00:00 <sbp> testing in IE...
00:00:00 <Morbus> always leeching files.
00:00:00 <Morbus> but do the online version.
00:00:00 <sbp> waiting for jill to make a witty comment
00:00:00 <sbp> (yeah, I know, I know)
00:00:00 <Morbus> not offa mind.
00:00:00 <Morbus> you'll make me retrain G<>
00:00:00 <sbp> the problem is that piffling bit of grey?
00:00:00 * jillzilla drifts off into her code
00:00:00 <Morbus> sbp: yeah.
00:00:00 <Morbus> i've seen some discussion of it, which involved css hacks and inheritors.
00:00:00 <Morbus> and some people doing div's and evil.
00:00:00 <sbp> oh grief
00:00:00 <Morbus> what? <g>
00:00:00 <Morbus> is [off] the off thing?
00:00:00 <sbp> hmm. that certainly is teh suck, isn't it? even putting in a carefully placed div doesn't fix it
00:00:00 <sbp> yeah
00:00:00 <sbp> but Ash will paste it into the logs anyway
00:00:00 <Morbus> heh, heh.
00:00:00 <Morbus> any suggestions on what to do in this case?
00:00:00 <Morbus> i'm almost thinking to not use 'em at all.
00:00:00 <sbp> I'm hacking, I'm hacking...
00:00:00 <sbp> well you can put a div inside it and below the label and then put all the background color and border on that
00:00:00 <sbp> but then you don't get the nice overlap effect
00:00:00 <sbp> the label just sits above it
00:00:00 <verbosus> sbp: I actually found a way to make supybot less annoying
00:00:00 <verbosus> for one, the google thingie works as datum without sending the dot before "google"
00:00:00 <verbosus> then one has to disable all those nasty plugins
00:00:00 <enki_> google sucks
00:00:00 <enki_> .google sucks
00:00:00 <datum> sucks: http://www.schoolsucks.com/
00:00:00 <Morbus> sbp: yeah, that removes the need for a <legend> in my opinion.
00:00:00 <Morbus> i sincerly doubt that anyone actually "uses" legend in a non-validator-only.
00:00:00 <sbp> still it's required
00:00:00 <Morbus> actually, no, it's not.
00:00:00 <Morbus> it's an optional sub-element of fieldset.
00:00:00 <Morbus> fieldset is the one that's required.
00:00:00 <sbp> must've changed between 4.01 and X1.1 then, AFAICT
00:00:00 <sbp> but it shouldn't've
00:00:00 <sbp> (but it's possible)
00:00:00 <sbp> ack, bbl
00:00:00 <Morbus> validator could be wrong too
00:00:00 <sbp> back
00:00:00 <sbp> no the validator is not wrong. the validator is NEVER WRONG. it is The Validator
00:00:00 <Morbus> so what?
00:00:00 <Morbus> then you are :)
00:00:00 <sbp> the validator is WRONG, WRONG I tell you!
00:00:00 <Morbus> hehe
00:00:00 <Morbus> i wanna grown down to be as funny as you one day.
00:00:00 <Morbus> anywayyyys.
00:00:00 * Morbus gets ready to release 0.0.3
00:00:00 <sbp> aw: "Not finished; go away!"
00:00:00 <Morbus> [19:14] --- docelic is now known as docelic|slepp0
00:00:00 <Morbus> [19:14] <Morbus> so, you're even more docelic now?
00:00:00 <Morbus> :)
00:00:00 <sbp> what is it with you and the phrase "golden grahams" lately?
00:00:00 <Morbus> dude, i have no fucking clue.
00:00:00 <Morbus> i don't even like golden grahams.
00:00:00 <Morbus> thank you for noticing.
00:00:00 <sbp> No.6 Is Refused Coffee?
00:00:00 <Morbus> google.
00:00:00 <Morbus> Now Playing: 'Chime Crime' from Orbital's album 'Mutations' (Unrated).
00:00:00 <sbp> .google "No.6 Is Refused Coffee"
00:00:00 <datum> "No.6 Is Refused Coffee": http://www.danger-man.co.uk/memorabilia/prisonerCDs.htm
00:00:00 <sbp> chuckle: $s->set("app_version", "v6.66");
00:00:00 <Morbus> ... .. what the hell do you think you're doing?
00:00:00 <Morbus> get outta there! <G>
00:00:00 <verbosus> sbp: just read up on miscoranda about the 200X URI issue
00:00:00 <sbp> hahaha: "man alive, I have to pee. must... continue... coding!"
00:00:00 <sbp> brb... oh man
00:00:00 <Morbus> heheh
00:00:00 <Morbus> you read my code for the comments only, right?
00:00:00 <Morbus> its like reading playboy for the articles.
00:00:00 <sbp> the playboy articles are great, so I'm told
00:00:00 <sbp> Copyright 2004-2005?
00:00:00 <Morbus> longterm laziness.
00:00:00 <sbp> The Prisoner was pretty funny
00:00:00 <Morbus> its the new inthing.
00:00:00 <sbp> hehheh. oh man
00:00:00 <Morbus> i know, in 2005, i'm gonna be lazy.
00:00:00 <sbp> that's just scary
00:00:00 <Morbus> so i've saved myself the effort.
00:00:00 <Morbus> :D
00:00:00 <sbp> I can't wait to write your biography
00:00:00 <Morbus> why?
00:00:00 <Morbus> i haven't begun to ghostwrite it yet
00:00:00 <sbp> "Morbus Iff was born Henry Tristolesome-Adams in the early 1950s, and once knew, in 2004, that the next year he would be too lazy to update his copyrights, making them a year advanced. His current passions are eating fried goat with correander, and chatting up Jill Zilla-Ium. As he himself says, '<G>'."
00:00:00 <Morbus> heh, heh./
00:00:00 <sbp> - early draft
00:00:00 <sbp> it's going to be so great
00:00:00 <Morbus> Now Playing: 'Science Of Tomorrow' from Attilio Mineo's album 'Man In Space With Sounds' (Unrated).
00:00:00 <Morbus> brb
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00:00:00 <sbp> [off] ooh, Kevin Altis is in my Python group
00:00:00 <Ash-w> <sbp> ooh, Kevin Altis is in my Python group
00:00:00 <sbp> [off] also, Ash sucks
00:00:00 <sbp> <Ash> sorry sbp but I suck and I can't help it
00:00:00 <sbp> that's okay Ash
00:00:00 <sbp> no harm done
00:00:00 <Ash-w> heheheh
00:00:00 <sbp> :-)
00:00:00 <sbp> would you be happier if the off-log string were shorter?
00:00:00 <sbp> or are you just opposed to all off-loggery like the other Aaron?
00:00:00 <sbp> WHAT IS IT WITH YOU AARONS?!
00:00:00 <Ash-w> what?
00:00:00 <Ash-w> oh
00:00:00 <Ash-w> no i want a hash
00:00:00 <Ash-w> #
00:00:00 <Ash-w> that's fine
00:00:00 <sbp> yeah
00:00:00 <sbp> a hash would be good
00:00:00 * verbosus goes to bed
00:00:00 <verbosus> Cheers everyone, and sorry for the mess ;-)
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00:00:00 <sbp> I like how ORA's Mac OS X Panther book has a picture of an alsatian on it
00:00:00 <Morbus> yay, 0.0.3 released.
00:00:00 <Morbus> i'm so 'reet.
00:00:00 * Morbus sighs.
00:00:00 <sbp> congratulations
00:00:00 <sbp> what new features are there?
00:00:00 <Morbus> http://disobey.com/noos/LibDB/?ReleaseNotes003
00:00:00 <sbp> oh
00:00:00 <sbp> what note do you exit with?
00:00:00 <Morbus> # are we running 5.6.1 or higher?
00:00:00 <Morbus> if ($^V and $^V lt 5.6.1) { printf
00:00:00 <Morbus> "LibDB requires Perl 5.6.1 or higher. " .
00:00:00 <Morbus> "You are currently running Perl %vd.", $^V;
00:00:00 <Morbus> exit; } # I18N::AcceptLanguage requires 5.6.1.
00:00:00 <sbp> Perl %vd? sounds ominous
00:00:00 <sbp> why did you use printf instead of interpolating?
00:00:00 <Morbus> $^V is a set of three chr()'s.
00:00:00 <sbp> and why don't use use non-interpolation strings when you're not interpolating anything in there?
00:00:00 <Morbus> it allows me to use the $^V lt thing
00:00:00 <Morbus> cos, i hate distinguishing between ' and ".
00:00:00 <Morbus> its broing.
00:00:00 <Morbus> boring.
00:00:00 <sbp> but it's lost cycles!
00:00:00 <Morbus> nothing worth crowing abotu.
00:00:00 <sbp> squawk
00:00:00 <Morbus> Now Playing: 'Weapon Of Choice (Instrumental Version)' from Fatboy Slim's album 'Camber Sands' (Unrated).
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00:00:00 <Morbus> Now Playing: 'Final Blindness' from My Life With The Thrill Kill Kult's album '13 Above The Night' (Rating: 5/5).
00:00:00 <Morbus> [20:17] <DrBacchus> If it's the former, I can help you. If it is the latter, I really have other things I need to work on.
00:00:00 <Morbus> [20:17] <-- alo has quit ("Client exiting")
00:00:00 <Morbus> [20:18] <Morbus> and you can complain to me instead.
00:00:00 <Morbus> [20:18] <Morbus> i am the official backboard.
00:00:00 <Morbus> [20:18] <Morbus> i relish your scorn. with mustard.
00:00:00 *** irc.freenode.net has changed the topic to ÒHome to Italians, Heretics, Bots, Lurkers, Norwegians, and... *shudder*... sysadmins... || <Morbus> dude, you're making my penis smell like gas. now both of my ends are stinky. || Swhack: relishing your scorn with mustardÓ
00:00:00 <Morbus> [20:25] <Morbus> is it my cue to chuckle?
00:00:00 <Morbus> [20:25] <DrBacchus> Apparently so.
00:00:00 <Morbus> [20:25] <NeoThermic> i think so...
00:00:00 <Morbus> [20:25] * Morbus chuckles.
00:00:00 <Morbus> [20:25] <NeoThermic> didn't you get that memo either Morbus?
00:00:00 <Morbus> [20:25] <NeoThermic> didn't you get that memo either Morbus?
00:00:00 <Morbus> [20:25] <DrBacchus> Either that, or I profoundly misunderstood something I said.
00:00:00 <Morbus> [20:25] <Morbus> people stopped sending me memo's after i used them for ransom notes.
00:00:00 <Morbus> [20:25] <NeoThermic> lol
00:00:00 <sbp> heh, heh
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00:00:00 <deltab> yay, Weapon of Choice
00:00:00 <deltab> seen the SWF recreation of the video?
00:00:00 <Morbus> nope.
00:00:00 <Morbus> i've got the orig. video in mpeg though.
00:00:00 <Morbus> yay. http://disobey.com/noos/LibDB/index.cgi?I18NHowTo
00:00:00 <deltab> http://homepage.ntlworld.com/gaz18jf/weapon-of-choice.html
00:00:00 <d8ui> "My posts run the gamut from prolix sesquipedality to laconic breviloquence. I attribute my proclivity for circumambage to my Latin education." -- Timon Elkins
00:00:00 <deltab> grr, watching the video made my machine lock up
00:00:00 <deltab> that's the third time today I've had to reboot
00:00:00 <Morbus> deltab, please stop destroying the image i have of you.
00:00:00 <Morbus> deltab does not reboot, mmkay? ;)
00:00:00 <Morbus> Now Playing: 'The Message (Grandmaster Flash & The Furious Five)' from Various Artists's album 'Grand Theft Auto: Vice City, Volume 5: Wildstyle Pirate Radio' (Unrated).
00:00:00 <deltab> it beats watching the keyboard leds flash
00:00:00 <deltab> the trouble is, I don't know exactly what's causing it
00:00:00 <Morbus> Now Playing: 'Dias De Los Angeles (Del Castillo)' from Various Artists's album 'Once Upon A Time In Mexico: Original Motion Picture Soundtrack' (Unrated).
00:00:00 <AaronSw> that animation is great
00:00:00 <AaronSw> tx deltab
00:00:00 <AaronSw> i have the spike jonze dvd -- i'm sort of disappointed
00:00:00 <AaronSw> Rick Moen sar l, sarete l?
00:00:00 <sbp> does anyone know anyone else that's around and can speak Finnish, please?
00:00:00 <AaronSw> Rick Moen menee siell. Menetk mys sin?
00:00:00 <Morbus> Now Playing: 'No.6 Plays Cricket' from Various Artists's album 'The Prisoner: File #3' (Unrated).
00:00:00 <AaronSw> Why is Python's floating point so screwed up?
00:00:00 <AaronSw> Python:
00:00:00 <AaronSw> >>> 43.29+32.47
00:00:00 <AaronSw> 75.759999999999991
00:00:00 <AaronSw> # There's no way that's the correct answer.
00:00:00 <AaronSw> guile> (+ 43.29 32.47)
00:00:00 <AaronSw> 75.76
00:00:00 <deltab> they are the same
00:00:00 <AaronSw> >>> 75.759999999999991 == 75.76
00:00:00 <AaronSw> False
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00:00:00 <deltab> hmm
00:00:00 <deltab> right, python uses 75.760000000000005
00:00:00 <sbp> $ python -c "print 43.29+32.47"
00:00:00 <sbp> 75.76
00:00:00 <AaronSw> but why?
00:00:00 <sbp> str() does good things to bad floats
00:00:00 <deltab> rounding errors
00:00:00 <deltab> the two numbers you added get rounded differently
00:00:00 <AaronSw> >>> 75.759999999999991 == 75.760000000000005
00:00:00 <AaronSw> False
00:00:00 <sbp> just float(str(...)) it already
00:00:00 <deltab> er, differently from 75.76
00:00:00 <deltab> AaronSw: of course those aren't the same
00:00:00 <AaronSw> why does it repr them so weirdly?
00:00:00 <sbp> because of the binary arithmetic problem
00:00:00 <AaronSw> apparently that problem has been solved since like 1960
00:00:00 <deltab> it displays the nearest decimal representation
00:00:00 <sbp> " Binary floating-point cannot exactly represent decimal fractions, so if binary floating-point is used it is not possible to guarantee that results will be the same as those using decimal arithmetic." - http://www2.hursley.ibm.com/decimal/decifaq1.html#inexact
00:00:00 <sbp> why does Firefox keep copying out a leading space?
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00:00:00 <deltab> >>> print 75.759999999999991, 75.760000000000005
00:00:00 <deltab> 75.76 75.76
00:00:00 <sbp> d8uv: please find me someone who can speak Finnish
00:00:00 <deltab> print displays them the same, but they're different
00:00:00 <deltab> sbp: there are a few on #python
00:00:00 <d8uv> sbp: Aw damn. I know I know someone, but I forget who.
00:00:00 <sbp> I feel a bit silly asking in Python for translation skillz
00:00:00 <AaronSw> why are they different? surely computers can add 4329 and 3247
00:00:00 <deltab> AaronSw: speed
00:00:00 <AaronSw> i'm so sick of this speed at the expense of accuracy thing
00:00:00 <d8uv> AaronSw: 4329 + 3247 = 7576000000000005
00:00:00 <d8uv> Hmm...
00:00:00 <deltab> using limited-precision floating-point numbers is faster than using rational, algebraic, etc. representations
00:00:00 <AaronSw> OK, but it also cause billion dollar space ships to crash into mars
00:00:00 <AaronSw> so can i turn it off?
00:00:00 <deltab> AaronSw: often you don't care
00:00:00 <AaronSw> but when i do care, can i turn it off?
00:00:00 <deltab> you can use other types, yes
00:00:00 <deltab> depends on your needs
00:00:00 <sbp> gah. Finnish is not a language that you want to be translating via Google
00:00:00 <AaronSw> How do I get it to calculate, say, 1%.1 correctly?
00:00:00 <sbp> float(str(1%.1))
00:00:00 * sbp ducks
00:00:00 <AaronSw> wrong!
00:00:00 <AaronSw> that gives .1 the answer is 0
00:00:00 <AaronSw> that gives .1 but the answer is 0
00:00:00 <sbp> ouch
00:00:00 <sbp> go along and multiply all the digits by some big number and then divide at the end?
00:00:00 <sbp> or find some module that implements decimal arithmetic without any arbitrary precision
00:00:00 <sbp> kokoonpanonmrityksen? Finnish scares me just a little bit
00:00:00 <AaronSw> it seems like such a hack
00:00:00 <deltab> AaronSw: it's virtually always the right thing
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00:00:00 <AaronSw> rounding is?
00:00:00 <deltab> yes
00:00:00 <deltab> you don't care about the tiny errors in the transparency of your windows, for example
00:00:00 <sbp> yay, I think I've translated it through Google along
00:00:00 <sbp> er, alone
00:00:00 <Ash> lalala
00:00:00 <sbp> no thanks to you, Ash. you did not help me when I asked
00:00:00 <Ash> yeah well
00:00:00 <Ash> it was a hazing ritual
00:00:00 <sbp> heh!
00:00:00 <sbp> Aaron: have you done the maze yet?
00:00:00 <Ash> lalalaa
00:00:00 <AaronSw> no. should i?
00:00:00 <AaronSw> swhack is an antiquated and anachronistic culture where immanentizing the eschaton is still greatly frowned upon.
00:00:00 <AaronSw> heh
00:00:00 <AaronSw> We should note that atrios's eschaton is fine, though
00:00:00 <AaronSw> I still can't believe firebird got firebird to change its name
00:00:00 <AaronSw> nobody use firebird now
00:00:00 * AaronSw writes a letter to the Firebird database people
00:00:00 <AaronSw> I am outraged at your use of threats to force the Mozilla Project to rename its web browser. The name was not even remotely confusing and was already widely known and used. Your actions do a disservice to the community and tarnish your reputation. I will avoid the Firebird database from now on and encourage everyone I know to do likewise.
00:00:00 <AaronSw> ooh, shortest wiki contest made kottke:
00:00:00 <AaronSw> Shortest Wiki contest (Now do one with a NotSoRidIcuLousName.)
00:00:00 <AaronSw> comment: "I suggest adopting some of the non-ridiculous blogger terms: wikisphere, wikiverse, wikiroll, mowiki, warwiki, wikirati, wikistan, wikipundit, and so on. Also, those wiki people should start using terms like "anti-idiotarian" in their writing."
00:00:00 <AaronSw> wow, does to 276-char one meet all the requirements?
00:00:00 <Ash> AaronSw: I think both sides are stupid
00:00:00 <Ash> mozilla changes the name on their projects all the damn time
00:00:00 <Ash> it's totally annoying.
00:00:00 <sbp> I thought PeWi was good
00:00:00 <Ash> and the firebird people are obnoxious because most of them are delphi-ers
00:00:00 <AaronSw> Eugene Volokh: 'Of course, the article also mentions the bonobos, always good for some prurient appeal ("Female bonobos have been observed to engage in homosexual activity almost hourly"!).'
00:00:00 <AaronSw> http://volokh.com/2004_02_08_volokh_archive.html#107617848788089115
00:00:00 <sbp> but why?
00:00:00 <AaronSw> yay! "Look around you. Just look around you."
00:00:00 <sbp> hehheh
00:00:00 <sbp> oh! now that you're here, do the maze
00:00:00 <sbp> if you haven't already
00:00:00 <AaronSw> ok, just a sec
00:00:00 <AaronSw> I'm trying to get to the squiggle sun-shaped thing?
00:00:00 <sbp> yes
00:00:00 <AaronSw> done
00:00:00 <sbp> yay
00:00:00 <AaronSw> i was pretty lucky, i hit two places where it could go either way and i apparently guess right both times
00:00:00 <sbp> two roads diverged in a yellow wood
00:00:00 <AaronSw> Mark Pilgrim did a jutta linkfest: http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/chars/spaces.html
00:00:00 <sbp> it's not too difficult really--there are only a couple of snags where you naturally try to go the wrong way
00:00:00 <sbp> Jukka
00:00:00 <AaronSw> "this is one of those things that makes you slowly go insane"
00:00:00 <sbp> weblogs in general do that to me
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00:00:00 <sbp> "[linkfest]", "[retort]", "[diary]", "[bullshit]", "[technology]", "[bad humour]", "[short pithy tract on Tycho Brah]"--it's all the fucking same
00:00:00 <sbp> I think that meteorite falling on that boat is what did it
00:00:00 <sbp> that fucking stone--whether it existed or not
00:00:00 <sbp> it's my mind rebelling against page after page of mind-numbing stupidity
00:00:00 <sbp> day in day out, same old crap. new kernel released on /. Aaron talks about copyright law. Morbus releases more code that makes me worry about pissing myself. I make a cartoon--no one finds it funny---even *I* don't find them funny
00:00:00 <sbp> and then a meteorite! it falls on a boat, outside of Orkney
00:00:00 <sbp> most Americans don't even know where their own damn country is
00:00:00 <sbp> Orkney?!
00:00:00 <sbp> drives me up the flippin' wall, as Morbus once said. seriously. Tycho Brah is not all that interesting, but compared to another day of Kottke and DIM--it's like comparing sushi and dirt
00:00:00 <sbp> oh! no, Kevin Marks was another thing
00:00:00 <sbp> Epeus. fucking Epeus. what the hell was that about?
00:00:00 <sbp> the Trojan Horse... Kevin said the Trojan Horse is a misnomer: or rather, that the "Trojan" part is a misnomer
00:00:00 <sbp> the Greeks made the Trojan Horse, and then left it outside for the Trojans to pick up
00:00:00 <sbp> so it's the Greek Horse
00:00:00 <sbp> righty-o mate. not the Trojan Horse. even though of course it's the Trojan Horse
00:00:00 <sbp> I mean, what the crap? Epigone? give me a fucking break
00:00:00 <sbp> no I think it was the meteorite. I like the meteorite more
00:00:00 <AaronSw> knuth wins, JoA goes ACM (protesting price-gouging by journals): http://www.freedom-to-tinker.com/archives/000514.html
00:00:00 <swhacker> posted 143
00:00:00 <sbp> it would've surely just gone straight through the hull
00:00:00 <sbp> $700? ouch
00:00:00 <AaronSw> [sorry to interrupt your rant]
00:00:00 <sbp> oh no problem
00:00:00 <AaronSw> you've convinced me to quit IRC and go read a book
00:00:00 <sbp> good idea
00:00:00 <sbp> I'm going to do the same
00:00:00 <sbp> (I got a new one via post today. yay)
00:00:00 <AaronSw> the libertation of anonymity (from our friend Lochner): http://invisiblog.com/1c801df4aee49232/article/a88db099b5d8146ae20bb21331c7cac1
00:00:00 <swhacker> posted 144
00:00:00 <sbp> you're meant to be reading
00:00:00 <AaronSw> hey, what are you doing here?
00:00:00 <AaronSw> i was just stopping on my way to bed
00:00:00 <AaronSw> "weblogging is the perfect medium for people who can't... hey look, a butterfly"
00:00:00 <sbp> heh
00:00:00 <sbp> I decided to write up the rant
00:00:00 <sbp> I did read though
00:00:00 <xover> åÇI also need a longer attention sp- Ooh! Feet!åÈ Ûä Loz Pycock
00:00:00 * xover wonders why that one fell off of his .sig fileÛÏ
00:00:00 <xover> Heh heh. .sig files are FUN! :-)
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00:00:00 <sbp> Safari 1.2 Release Notes: heh!
00:00:00 <sbp> hehe: "I'm putting mymobile pictures on a different site so things like 'libby:chubby'don't end up on planet RDF"
00:00:00 <libby> yeah!Â
00:00:00 * libby not chubby
00:00:00 <libby> well, maybe a bit
00:00:00 <libby> darn, chubby libby will be allover google now
00:00:00 <sbp> woah, that's a point
00:00:00 <sbp> we should track the meme
00:00:00 <sbp> .googlecount libby chubby
00:00:00 <datum> libby chubby: 18,600
00:00:00 <sbp> wow, it's already taking hold of the web
00:00:00 <libby> heheh, erk
00:00:00 <sbp> oh man, now I have two of your blogs to follow
00:00:00 <libby> that's a lot of chubby libbys
00:00:00 <sbp> heh, heh
00:00:00 <libby> yeah, they'll probably be blank after a few weeks
00:00:00 <sbp> what were you taking a picture of in the one where dan's taking a picture of you?
00:00:00 <sbp> true
00:00:00 <libby> some airoplanes on the ceiling of the mall
00:00:00 <sbp> I've never understood malls
00:00:00 <libby> http://swordfish.rdfweb.org/photos/2004/01/17/2004-01-17-Pages/Image11.html
00:00:00 * libby neither
00:00:00 <libby> we were getting our phones flashed, only place to do it
00:00:00 <sbp> ah, cool thanks
00:00:00 <sbp> it makes you wonder what the conversations between the budget approvers and the designers of these places are like
00:00:00 <sbp> "huge model aeroplanes for the ceiling" "uhm" "it'll draw in clients!" "no it won't!" "sure it will. people will want to come in and take photos of them so that people can take photos of them taking photos of the planes and then put up *that* photo on a mobile blog" "..." "just approve it" "alright, alright..."
00:00:00 <libby> actually, in bristol it might. I just saw a print in a shop of concorde entitled 'safely home'
00:00:00 <libby> 110 quid
00:00:00 <libby> absolute rubbish artistically and sentimental to boot
00:00:00 <sbp> ouch
00:00:00 <libby> greetings card level
00:00:00 <sbp> maybe it was printed on really high quality paper... :-)
00:00:00 <libby> heh, they loves their planes here
00:00:00 <libby> musta been :)
00:00:00 <sbp> oh of course, it's where the Rolls Royce plants are, no?
00:00:00 <libby> yeah
00:00:00 <sbp> and probably numerous other aviation concerns
00:00:00 <libby> loads of people here worked on concorde and that
00:00:00 <libby> actualyl you cqn see light aircraft taking off from the mall restaurant
00:00:00 <sbp> heh, cool. the airport's nearby?
00:00:00 <libby> filton airfield I think. not the commercial one
00:00:00 <AaronSw> Note to future self: if you publish a book, get the cover deigned by Cheshire Dave
00:00:00 <sbp> ah, okay
00:00:00 * sbp reads http://swordfish.rdfweb.org/photos/2004/01/17/2004-01-17-Pages/Image12.html
00:00:00 <sbp> man, that is so sad
00:00:00 <sbp> I wanna go to Sommerville Road now to look for it. check out the drawing an' all...
00:00:00 <libby> I know :(
00:00:00 <libby> I thought I'd found it - I ahve another photo of a 'found' teddy
00:00:00 <libby> but it was about 6 months ago
00:00:00 <sbp> aw
00:00:00 <AaronSw> "PLEASE HELP ME" (find my favorite toy bear): http://swordfish.rdfweb.org/photos/2004/01/17/2004-01-17-Pages/Image12.html
00:00:00 <swhacker> posted 145
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00:00:00 <sbp> c'ya libby
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00:00:00 <AaronSw> I feel so bad about interrupting conversations with posts. Maybe we should split into a separate channel for actual conversation
00:00:00 <AaronSw> i mean, conversation is so non-swhack
00:00:00 <AaronSw> i mean, just listen to the word: swhack
00:00:00 <AaronSw> does that sound like a conversation-starter to you?
00:00:00 <sbp> "Make bling when people get bling" - spam subject
00:00:00 <sbp> nah, don't worry about it
00:00:00 <sbp> sure
00:00:00 <sbp> "what's swhack?"
00:00:00 <sbp> "who knows?"
00:00:00 <sbp> I don't think that you posting the bear help sign is what made libby go to the pub, anyway
00:00:00 <AaronSw> really?
00:00:00 <AaronSw> i guess you UKers don't technically need an excuse to go to the pub, tho
00:00:00 <sbp> yeah. I'm more inclined to believe that the pubbishness of the pub is what enticed her
00:00:00 <sbp> yes we do
00:00:00 <AaronSw> to me swhack is evocative of the quick BLAMBLAMBLAM of a post/fact/post/muse pattern
00:00:00 <sbp> it is called "beer"
00:00:00 <sbp> hehheh
00:00:00 <sbp> yeah
00:00:00 <AaronSw> actually, maybe we should change the name to BLAMBLAMBLAM
00:00:00 * sbp tries to think of a fact
00:00:00 <AaronSw> that is such a great word
00:00:00 <sbp> it is. I noticed that ages ago. Ash used it first to describe that navy ship that fired on that small boat
00:00:00 <sbp> that was surrendering or something
00:00:00 <sbp> he was all "we're sorry! we give up! we surrender!" "look, quick, they're surrendering! get 'em! BLAMBLAMBLAMBLAMBLAM"
00:00:00 <sbp> so... how about #swhack featuring Ash?
00:00:00 <AaronSw> i'm still thinking about book covers. I think it'd be hilarious for cheshire dave to do a cover
00:00:00 <Ash_> good morning
00:00:00 <AaronSw> it'd be even funnier if there was one of those little circles saying he did the cover runining the cover
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00:00:00 <sbp> ah, here we go:
00:00:00 <sbp> 2002-05-03.txt-15:38:25 <Ash> hahahaha
00:00:00 <sbp> 2002-05-03.txt-15:38:31 <Ash> "We surrender! We're sorry!"
00:00:00 <sbp> 2002-05-03.txt:15:38:36 <Ash> BLAMBLAMBLAMBLAMBLAMBLAM
00:00:00 <sbp> Sean B. Palmer, noted Swhack historian and Greppist
00:00:00 <sbp> .googlecount greppist
00:00:00 <datum> greppist: 0
00:00:00 <sbp> so great
00:00:00 <sbp> if Cheshire Dave did a cover, I can't help but feel there'd be teeth all over it
00:00:00 <sbp> so you'd have to write a book on dentistry
00:00:00 <sbp> splodge, pointer?
00:00:00 <splodge> See http://notabug.com/swhack/chatlogs/2004-02-09#T22-06-48
00:00:00 <Ash_> sbp: what's the context of that
00:00:00 <AaronSw> his posters are pretty good and they don't involve teeth
00:00:00 <AaronSw> well, most of the posters
00:00:00 <AaronSw> but i wonder if he'd be able to handle a technical subject
00:00:00 <sbp> Ash_: there was some Navy boat that fired on a small vessel
00:00:00 <sbp> "technical subject?! ...will I have to write an 'aiku?"
00:00:00 <AaronSw> well, i was thinking that if Seth ever finishes his book on Trusted Computing I could get him to hire dave
00:00:00 <sbp> oh, I see. now that's actually a good idea
00:00:00 <sbp> also, get him to have the book typeset in gill sans
00:00:00 <sbp> not Baskerville
00:00:00 <AaronSw> heh
00:00:00 <AaronSw> typesetting in gill sans is really tricky
00:00:00 <sbp> I know. fun!
00:00:00 <AaronSw> i don't know if there's anyone alive who could do it
00:00:00 <AaronSw> i've only heard rumors that its been done
00:00:00 <sbp> I'm sure there must be a couple
00:00:00 <sbp> I mean, it's not as if you're at the centre of the typographicistsical hub, now, is it?
00:00:00 <AaronSw> true
00:00:00 <sbp> a few well placed enquires on Seth's part would be illuminating
00:00:00 <sbp> hmm. I wasn't slashdotted today
00:00:00 <AaronSw> you were expecting to be?
00:00:00 <sbp> yeah, all the time. so many things I've done should be slashdotted
00:00:00 <sbp> bleh. I hate it when that happens
00:00:00 <sbp> I started writing a post called "Porphyria's Lover" last night, on how Google sometimes finds some really idiotic stuff, and now I look at it again in the light of... well, in the evening, and it sucks
00:00:00 <sbp> sigh
00:00:00 <sbp> it's well written, too, which is a shame. it's just vapid
00:00:00 <sbp> which makes me wonder what to do with it
00:00:00 <sbp> technically I should probably put it somewhere
00:00:00 <sbp> but it's sub miscy standard
00:00:00 <sbp> too long for #swhack
00:00:00 <sbp> noets doesn't exist anymore
00:00:00 * sbp shrugs
00:00:00 <sbp> oh, and by the way, I've decided that I need a new metasyntactic variable
00:00:00 <AaronSw> you took that idea from McCloud?
00:00:00 <sbp> it seems that a lot of words, e.g. quux, came from people using them as metasyntactic variables
00:00:00 <sbp> kinda: that's the start of the story...
00:00:00 <sbp> "Scott McCloud was mentioned to me today, which made me browse his website and find his cartoon rendition of the poem Porphyria's Lover, originally written by Robert Browning in 1836. The poem interested me and sparked a number of questions: What were Browning's sources? How was his bright iambic octameter received at the time? Why is Porphyria named thus?"
00:00:00 <sbp> I think I use "blargh" most oftenlyish as a metasyntactic variable now
00:00:00 <sbp> which I'm going to shorten to MSV
00:00:00 <sbp> MSV from now on means MetaSyntactic Variable
00:00:00 <sbp> .acronym MSV
00:00:00 <datum> Magnetically Supported Vehicle, Maximum Safe Velocity, Mean Square Voltage, Medical Society of Virginia, Medium Speed Variant (data communication protocol), MESSA Support Vehicle, Millisievert (measure of radiation dose), Mississippi and Skuna Valley Railroad Company
00:00:00 <sbp> all of those other expansions no longer exist
00:00:00 <Ash_> yawn
00:00:00 <sbp> Mississippi and Skuna Valley Railroad Company should be MSVRC anyway
00:00:00 <AaronSw> [cars start crashing due to lack of Maximum Safe Velocity]
00:00:00 <sbp> so what requirements do we have for metasyntactic variables?
00:00:00 <Ash_> maximum skateboard velocity
00:00:00 <Ash_> MSV
00:00:00 <sbp> heh, heh. the *concept* still exists, but there is no name for it anymore. I have stolen it
00:00:00 <sbp> * Easy to type
00:00:00 <sbp> * Unique
00:00:00 <Ash_> Swiper, no swiping!
00:00:00 <Ash_> Swiper, no swiping!
00:00:00 <sbp> * Pronouncable
00:00:00 <sbp> quux actually pretty much breaks those rules, though
00:00:00 <AaronSw> how?
00:00:00 <sbp> it'd be good if it had a cool history, too
00:00:00 <sbp> the combination is odd to type, uniqueness is fine, pronouncability isn't clear
00:00:00 <sbp> technically it should be "kwooks"
00:00:00 <sbp> but it's "kwucks"
00:00:00 <sbp> or "kyooks", actually
00:00:00 <sbp> hmm. but it's not clear
00:00:00 <sbp> perhaps the consonant 'twixt w and y
00:00:00 <sbp> .google "Etymology of Foo"
00:00:00 <datum> "Etymology of Foo": http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc3092.html
00:00:00 <sbp> the 115th Semantic Dream should totally be slashdotted
00:00:00 <sbp> or whatever the next best thing is
00:00:00 <sbp> so so good
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00:00:00 <sbp> oh, ESR worked on RFC 3092? I think I knew that, but still
00:00:00 <AaronSw> Bill O'Reilly vs. Hillary Clinton: Who sold more books? Bill O'Reilly claims it's 1.1M to 800K. "That 1.1 million figure for Hillary's salesÊcame from the year-end BookScan figures [...]Ê And Bill's clamed sales figure of 800,00 apparently comes from taking hisÊnumbersÊfrom that same BookScan report and doubling them, since, as you will recall, BookScan showed him as selling 430,407 copies."
00:00:00 <sbp> ploot is nice
00:00:00 <sbp> .googlecount ploot
00:00:00 <datum> ploot: 1,160
00:00:00 <sbp> aw
00:00:00 <sbp> heh, where's that quote from?
00:00:00 <sbp> also, it's the wrong way around so whoever wrote it needs to pay more attention to their own writing
00:00:00 <AaronSw> World O' Crap
00:00:00 <AaronSw> wrong way around?
00:00:00 <sbp> Bill O'Reilly vs. Hillary Clinton
00:00:00 <AaronSw> yay! jon's back
00:00:00 <sbp> it's 1.1M to 800K
00:00:00 <sbp> but it's 800K to 1.1M...
00:00:00 <AaronSw> ok, i wrote that part
00:00:00 <sbp> ah
00:00:00 <sbp> sorry
00:00:00 <AaronSw> http://blogs.salon.com/0002874/2004/01/28.html#a510
00:00:00 <AaronSw> oops, i mean http://blogs.salon.com/0002874/2004/02/10.html#a562
00:00:00 <sbp> I want an O'Reillian National Committee
00:00:00 <sbp> why did McCusker change his name?
00:00:00 <sbp> I mean, really?
00:00:00 <AaronSw> ooh, thought: if MA changes the constitution, they'll still lose, because their constitution will be unconstitutional under the colorado decision
00:00:00 <AaronSw> becuase he changed his life
00:00:00 <sbp> I see. and who's this Ann Coulter guy that I keep hearing about?
00:00:00 <sbp> I'm going to be a pundit!
00:00:00 * sbp goes into the nearest 'phone booth to put on the relevent clothes
00:00:00 <sbp> you see him here
00:00:00 <sbp> you see him there
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00:00:00 <sbp> you see him everywhere
00:00:00 <sbp> it's super pundit
00:00:00 <sbp> super pun-dit
00:00:00 <sbp> you see him up
00:00:00 <sbp> you see him down
00:00:00 <sbp> you see him everywhere and all around
00:00:00 <sbp> it's super pundit
00:00:00 <sbp> super pun-dit
00:00:00 <sbp> whether you're a criminal looking for a break
00:00:00 <sbp> or even want a fair wage for skiing on a lake
00:00:00 <sbp> it's super pun-dit
00:00:00 <sbp> super pun-dit
00:00:00 <sbp> this week on super pundit: super pundit finds out what it really means to be a pundit
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00:00:00 <deelan> "...and when i finish it's gonna be a blood-bath!"
00:00:00 <deelan> hi ppl!
00:00:00 <sbp> 'ello
00:00:00 <arcon> 'ello
00:00:00 <arcon> heh
00:00:00 <arcon> jinx
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00:00:00 <deelan> sbp, i rather intrigued by this: "Peer-to-Peer Web Annotation Sharing Using the Chord Protocol" (PDF) http://www.cs.unc.edu/~parente/dist/final/Chord%20final%20report.pdf
00:00:00 <deelan> s/i/i'm
00:00:00 <deelan> it's a working chord impl. in python. i tried today at work. i was able to run chord nodes without reading the sources :)
00:00:00 <sbp> oh cool
00:00:00 <deelan> considering semplesh it would help to rehash the project.
00:00:00 <deelan> i still have to figure out how you and aaron decided to couple chord and RDF together. it seems a good idea, but i don't get it at the moment.
00:00:00 <deelan> home page and sources: src:
00:00:00 <deelan> oops: http://www.cs.unc.edu/~parente/
00:00:00 <sbp> here's all I could salvage: http://miscoranda.com/87
00:00:00 <deelan> i have trouble to figure out this category: "short pithy tract on Tycho Brah"
00:00:00 <sbp> the example that I would have linked that to is my own "All the Operation of the Orbs": http://miscoranda.com/78
00:00:00 <sbp> pithy means, according to Wordnet, "concise and full of meaning"
00:00:00 <sbp> a tract is a short piece of prose on a particular subject
00:00:00 <sbp> "short" is kinda redundant, but "tract" gets bandied about all over the place now
00:00:00 <sbp> Tycho Brah was an astronomer. I seem to be talking about him a lot lately
00:00:00 <deelan> k, gotcha.
00:00:00 <deelan> very nice: http://www.scottmccloud.com/comics/porphyria/porphyria.html
00:00:00 <sbp> yeah
00:00:00 <sbp> it was his first comic, apparently, too
00:00:00 <AaronSw> have you read his morning improv stuff? for the work of one artist, it's pretty great. such variety!
00:00:00 <sbp> no
00:00:00 <AaronSw> http://www.scottmccloud.com/comics/mi/mi-archive.html
00:00:00 <sbp> I've seen the page
00:00:00 <sbp> sigh
00:00:00 * sbp tries a few
00:00:00 <deelan> lovely drawing style.
00:00:00 <AaronSw> http://www.scottmccloud.com/comics/mi/mi-14/mi-14.html is clever
00:00:00 <AaronSw> as is http://www.scottmccloud.com/comics/mi/mi-15/mi-15.html
00:00:00 <AaronSw> and 16 and 22
00:00:00 <sbp> I used to draw cartoons a lot like http://www.scottmccloud.com/comics/mi/mi-14/mi-14.html when I was younger
00:00:00 <deelan> "Compare your interpretation against others."
00:00:00 <deelan> i drawn a lot too.
00:00:00 <sbp> "ball gets married, some other odd shape writes a book about pnumatics, triangle gets marooned" blah blah
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00:00:00 <AaronSw> It took me a while, but I think the story is pretty clear.
00:00:00 <sbp> you should get Scott McCloud to make a cover
00:00:00 <AaronSw> the geek meets the cute girl, proposes, she rejects him and goes for the square guy, they have lots of kids, but then they get into a fight and he beats her and she runs away, wishes she'd gone with the geek, goes to find him, sees he's dead, and dies next to him
00:00:00 <sbp> made so much more emphatic and meaningful via shapes
00:00:00 <arcon> the process of having to decipher the meaning without words adds to the experience
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00:00:00 <arcon> !
00:00:00 <deelan> well done
00:00:00 <sbp> the anthropormorhpization of shapes is a dangerous thing to expose to young kids; it teaches them that if you see a disc somewhere you shouldn't harm it, which is obviously wrong. some discs need to be hurt. if you're running a science experiment that involves filter paper, and you have to fold a disc up to fit it into a funnel, what then?
00:00:00 <arcon> but with the proliferation of violence in the media (and in cartoons even) is there really a connection between anthropomorphism and harm?
00:00:00 <deelan> all would love rats (mickey mouse)
00:00:00 <deelan> of course is not the case
00:00:00 <sbp> Mickey Mouse is a mouse though, and people do love mice
00:00:00 <JibberJim> So why so many mouse traps in the world/
00:00:00 <sbp> because people want to collect mice--they like them so much
00:00:00 <deelan> hehe
00:00:00 <JibberJim> Oh, so why are so many mouse-traps lethal?
00:00:00 <sbp> they're badly designed
00:00:00 <deelan> infact my cat loves to collect mice
00:00:00 * sbp nods
00:00:00 <arcon> my cats are mice traps
00:00:00 <arcon> if only they were able to dispose of their collections instead of leaving them on the floor for me to step on
00:00:00 <deelan> cats are beatifully designed mice traps
00:00:00 <arcon> yes they are. I have three of them
00:00:00 <arcon> They are even better with roaches. I never see a live one, a dead one will show every once in a while
00:00:00 <deelan> please line up, kids! http://www.deelan.com/reflex/2003/12/PB160034.jpg
00:00:00 <deelan> pic is pretty blurry. i took it from a distance
00:00:00 <arcon> awww, I have an all white one as well
00:00:00 <arcon> http://adam.bregenzer.net/images/kitties.jpg
00:00:00 <arcon> he's huge too
00:00:00 <deelan> how cute to one on the top!
00:00:00 <arcon> yes, she's full grown!
00:00:00 <arcon> cutest one of them all :)
00:00:00 <arcon> the other two are brother and sister from the same litter. COmpletely different in every way though
00:00:00 <deelan> argh. it's late. gotta go. bye bye later
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00:00:00 <mediovia__> swhackit!
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00:00:00 <mediovia__> greets
00:00:00 <sbp> ah, doid/mediovia_! welcome back
00:00:00 <sbp> what brings you back to #swhack?
00:00:00 <JibberJim> mice?
00:00:00 * sbp is glad he doesn't have to explain the channel to you
00:00:00 <mediovia__> thanks. the grat links bring me back, and the fact that I'm using irc again
00:00:00 <mediovia__> err, great
00:00:00 <sbp> ah, you saw the new "swhackit!". cool
00:00:00 <mediovia__> I went off irc for well over a year, until a couple of weeks ago
00:00:00 <mediovia__> I just broke my only-one-irc-room policy :)
00:00:00 <JibberJim> hehe /invite #svg !
00:00:00 <mediovia__> hee. I hang in #morphix, having been bitten by the livecd thing
00:00:00 <sbp> well, Swhack is a diverse cultural forum incorporating stange undertied neo-classical anthropomorpihzations really, and not an IRC chnnale, so it doesn't count
00:00:00 <sbp> my typing is getting worse, as you can see
00:00:00 <JibberJim> but your vocabulary is much better
00:00:00 <sbp> I want to count my vocabulary properly one day
00:00:00 <sbp> find everything that I've written on IRC and the Web and then words | vocabulary it
00:00:00 <sbp> huge project, though
00:00:00 <JibberJim> Back to Mother Tongue (have you read this yet?) the counts for vocabulary of people are all over the place!
00:00:00 <sbp> yeah, I'm well versed in the problems surrounding vocabulary counts--they're rough guides at best
00:00:00 <sbp> there's a good quinion article on it
00:00:00 <sbp> I've not read Mother Tounge
00:00:00 <sbp> but I'm really starting to think that I ought to get it
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