00:04:14 <redmonk> oh this is rich: http://mpt.net.nz/archive/2004/04/17/stop
00:04:16 <supybot> Title: Matthew Thomas » HTTP error 448: Gone until you stop paying attention to people I dislike (at mpt.net.nz)
00:04:41 <UnknownQ> redmonk, you still here?
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00:09:20 <redmonk> UnknownQ: yeha
00:09:22 <redmonk> yeah
00:10:52 <UnknownQ> ok... you get mysql figured out?
00:12:39 <redmonk> yeah - the problem was that the user was setup to login from anywhere: wp@%
00:12:54 <redmonk> but mysql won't let "anywhere" users log in from localhost
00:13:09 <redmonk> so once i set it up to login from localhost, it worked
00:13:13 <UnknownQ> oh, heh.
00:13:22 <redmonk> UnknownQ: 1.2 is awesome
00:13:26 <redmonk> they implemented markdown!
00:13:37 <UnknownQ> wow... that is awesome!
00:13:40 <redmonk> and the admin interface is much nicer
00:13:54 <redmonk> go get the 1.2 nightly from 4/25
00:14:38 <UnknownQ> why 4/25? he just released one tonight a couple minutes ago
00:17:28 <redmonk> just saw that/ grr.
00:18:20 <UnknownQ> heh... the trick is you gotta click around channels quickly
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01:03:56 <kandinski> what is the swhack?
01:04:22 <d8uv> The swhack is the awesome.
01:04:42 <kandinski> somebody set up us the swhack
01:06:15 <UnknownQ> kandinski, what's up?
01:06:37 <kandinski> nothing much
01:06:40 <UnknownQ> they are all making fun of my l33t coding skillz in #wordpress ... quite depressing
01:06:41 <d8uv> Holy crap it's people!
01:06:46 <kandinski> back from dinner
01:07:28 <kandinski> and ready for bed
01:07:51 <kandinski> you?
01:08:18 <UnknownQ> i know!
01:11:36 <kandinski> I don't
01:11:40 <kandinski> I just guess
01:11:47 <kandinski> most of the times, I don't get it right
01:11:53 <kandinski> but I don't really care
01:11:58 <kandinski> I try again next time
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01:12:11 <kandinski> hay premios debajo de todos los tapones
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01:13:39 <UnknownQ> wish i spoke another language...
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02:54:06 <evangineer> .google bergen
02:54:07 <xena> bergen: http://www.bergen-guide.com/
02:54:07 <datum> bergen: http://www.bergen-guide.com/
02:54:09 <supybot> Title: Bergen Guide - the most comprehensive tourist guide to Bergen in Norway (at www.bergen-guide.com)
02:54:18 <d8uv> evangineer!
02:54:30 <evangineer> yo d8uv
02:54:47 <d8uv> Yo
02:56:11 <evangineer> * evangineer wonders what the weather in Bergen will be like in late May
02:58:58 <d8uv> evangineer: Is there any larger cities around it?
02:59:09 <d8uv> Near it I mean?
02:59:22 <evangineer> Dunno, let me see.
03:00:22 <d8uv> Hmm... Better yet an airport code
03:03:14 <d8uv> Average temp in Oslo in late may is 10C
03:04:17 <evangineer> The local airport is flesland http://www.avinor.no/Norsk/Lufthavner/Bergen_lufthavn,_Flesland/
03:04:20 <supybot> Title: Avinor (at www.avinor.no)
03:04:58 <evangineer> 10C, that's like winter, brr!
03:05:32 <d8uv> 10C is not winter here.
03:06:14 <evangineer> Currently 13C in Bergen http://www.storm.no/bt/
03:06:43 <d8uv> Hmm? I got 9C.
03:06:51 <d8uv> http://www.wunderground.com/global/stations/01317.html
03:06:52 <supybot> Title: Weather Underground: Bergen, Norway Forecast (at www.wunderground.com)
03:07:33 <evangineer> hmm
03:08:52 <evangineer> 9C sounds more believable to me anyway.
03:30:33 <d8uv> Hmm...
03:30:45 <d8uv> The average Alaskan winter is -22C
03:31:13 <d8uv> | alaskan could be: lasagna, askance
03:31:17 <d8uv> No it couldn't.
03:31:35 <jsled> Shit ... that sounds like the average Vermont winter.
03:32:28 <jsled> Oh ... that newfangled Celcius scale. nevermind.
03:35:05 <d8uv> Heh. Right now it's...
03:35:12 <d8uv> @weather 99504
03:35:14 <supybot> d8uv: The current temperature in Anchorage, AK is 44°F. Conditions: Cloudy. Humidity: 62%. Wind: SSE at 21 mph (34 km/h).
03:35:35 <d8uv> So about 7C
03:35:43 <jsled> @weather 05404
03:35:45 <supybot> jsled: The current temperature in Burlington, VT is 43°F. Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 70%. Wind: N at 4 mph (6 km/h).
03:36:02 <d8uv> That is sad.
03:39:40 <jsled> eh?
03:40:11 <d8uv> Eh? Wrong channel.
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04:23:28 <GabeW> hi
04:23:56 <d8uv> Hi
04:24:21 <GabeW> someone was saying that I don't ever say much in this channel
04:24:22 <GabeW> thats true
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04:48:00 <xover> * xover blames Hixie for Bergen's sudden international fame...
05:20:40 <xover> Google co-founder promises Safari compatibility with GMail (No shit Sarge!): http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/2004/04/25/gmail/
05:20:41 <swhacker> posted 299
05:20:42 <supybot> Title: Google co-founder promises Safari compatibility with GMail (at maccentral.macworld.com)
05:22:02 <xover> 299: «Brin noted that he was "embarrassed" that Gmail's beta doesn't support Safari […]»
05:22:38 <xover> 299: «"I’ve heard that you can sort of get it to work if you're desperate. I want to fix that, and I want to make it work really well."»
05:23:16 <xover> 299: Well, better get coding then, Sergey! How's your JavaScript these days?
05:23:58 <d8uv> Hehehe.
05:24:05 <d8uv> That's mean.
05:24:20 <xover> Yes, it is.
05:24:29 <d8uv> Awesome though.
05:24:50 <d8uv> I actually use Safari every couple of days. It's quite nice.
05:25:29 <xover> It's missing a few pet features, and has it's quirks, but overall it's my favourite browser these days.
05:26:24 <xover> Who woulda thought old KHTML had so much life in him yet?
05:26:59 <d8uv> KHTML is awesome once you take the KDE out.
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05:27:21 <xover> Like most things...
05:28:49 <d8uv> Hi wenrk498!
05:31:30 <d8uv> Whoohoo! I just solved a rubik's cube by my lonesome!
05:32:13 <d8uv> Why I did something dumb like that, I don't know!
05:49:56 <xover> Another day, another Deutsche Mark...
06:27:50 <xover> BTW, has anyone stumbled across any whitepaper-ish thingys on companies (preferably big ones) using Linux for File/Print services in a Windows environment?
06:29:13 <d8uv> I've seen it done in medium companies, but have only witnessed.
06:29:16 <d8uv> Sorry.
06:30:04 <xover> Well, our nicely pointy-haired standardization project has turned in a report saying Linux for file/print is no good.
06:30:30 <xover> AFAIK, file/print is the _first_ thing Linux usually gets jacked in to do in `doze shops.
06:31:19 <xover> Hmmm. Maybe I should ask over in #samba...
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07:38:49 <jillzilla> rowr
07:39:00 <jillzilla> * jillzilla wonders who's awake
07:41:29 <jillzilla> looks like nobody
07:41:31 <jillzilla> darn
07:41:35 <jillzilla> * jillzilla had something to show sbp
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08:37:21 <JimJibber> Hey cool, when's it releaed, I'd like a new shatner album!
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10:36:31 <sbp> aw, I missed jillzilla
10:36:42 <sbp> *and* she had something to sh... hahaha
10:36:45 <sbp> -spellbot- jillzilla could be: hillbilly
10:37:07 <sbp> interesting what that bot comes up with sometimes
10:37:39 <sbp> but aw. I missed jillzilla
10:39:02 <sbp> hmm, isn't that the second time that mpt.net.nz has been mentioned in here?
10:39:18 <sbp> he's starting to become our goldfish or somesuch
10:39:44 <sbp> oh come on spellbot, somesuch is a word!
10:39:52 <kandinski> yes, sbp, I love the spellbot
10:40:03 <sbp> that does it, I think I'm hacking on teh spellbot. and hey there kandinski
10:40:08 <kandinski> let me recommend Ian Bank's Complicity again
10:40:30 <sbp> let me add it to my recommendations list again
10:40:34 <kandinski> loggy, pointer
10:40:34 <kandinski> See http://notabug.com/swhack/chatlogs/2004-04-28#T10-40-34
10:40:57 <kandinski> spelling checker hijinks galore
10:41:06 <JimJibber> let me recommend Christopher Brookmyre too.
10:41:19 <JimJibber> adn Carl Hiasen (sp?)
10:41:39 <sbp> hmm, apparently the last time you recommended it was on 2004-04-19
10:42:07 <sbp> Hiaasen, and yes he's been recommended to me before
10:43:06 <sbp> but come on, I'm more into ACD and Walpole
10:43:22 <kandinski> ACD?
10:43:33 <kandinski> Walpole I have heard about, but ACD?
10:43:49 <sbp> Arthur Conan Doyle. actually there's a deltab quote which sums this up *really* well. let me try to find it
10:46:40 <sbp> aha
10:46:41 <sbp> <deltab> hmm, I wonder how many other programmers have read The Yellow Wallpaper but not Cryptonomicon?
10:47:58 <kandinski> ok, trivia question for sbp:
10:48:32 <kandinski> what is the name of the society gossip who helps Holmes with a couple of cases (he is a recurring character)?
10:48:45 <kandinski> I used to know it, but I have forgotten it...
10:48:52 <kandinski> no googling allowed
10:48:56 <sbp> hmm
10:49:05 <kandinski> ah, got it!
10:49:22 <sbp> no idea, go ahead
10:49:31 <kandinski> lansdale pike, I think
10:50:24 <kandinski> this is a proof of how absolutely useless memory can be: I remember stuff like this all the time, I don't use the agenda on my mobile phone, because I remember phone nos...
10:50:34 <sbp> ah, Langdale Pike
10:50:53 <kandinski> yet I keep forgetting the most trivial switches for unix commands, and I completely forget appointments
10:51:10 <kandinski> Langdale, eh? Spellbot didn't get that one!
10:51:37 <sbp> hmm, he was in The Three Gables? I can't remember that... probably need to read the whole lot again
10:53:40 <sbp> I don't think Nelson could remember command line switches either--or didn't want the puiblic to be able to have to--he wrote a bit about it somewhere, but I'll bet that my proxy is still blocked from his site. sigh
10:54:07 <kandinski> who is Nelson? I am thoroughly stumped
10:54:16 <sbp> Ted Nelson
10:55:49 <kandinski> ah, xanadu guy
10:56:50 <sbp> yeah. and how did you know that the Nelson I referred to was a person? was it because you knew from naming precedent that things that carry the name "Nelson" are most likely to have it as a surname and therefore be people, or did you get it from the fact that only people have memory, or that I used the pronoun "he" later on in the line, or what?
10:57:17 <sbp> incidentally, I share a proxy with N-thousand other people, so this sort of thing happens semi-regularly
10:57:57 <kandinski> yes, in Spain most adsl users are intermittently banned from Slashdot because of stupid Telefonica administrators
10:58:51 <kandinski> basically they refuse to register their proxies as such with /. , and from their end it looks as if some guy at a given IP where automating an attack, or crawling hyper-agressively, or DOSing them, or somesuch
10:59:11 <sbp> ah
11:00:11 <kandinski> yes, Nelson had to be a person, only persons remember stuff or want the public to be able to have to do stuff
11:00:24 <kandinski> you didn't use "he", though. It looked like Spanish
11:01:43 <sbp> yup, I said "he wrote a bit about it"
11:02:08 <sbp> so are you saying that when you'd only read up to "I don't think Nelson could", you didn't have any clue as to what "Nelson" was?
11:02:24 <sbp> or did you process it so fast that you don't even remember?
11:03:08 <kandinski> no, you are right, I don't think Nelson (...)
11:03:24 <kandinski> already screams "person" because Nelson is a name
11:04:40 <kandinski> what is more, Nelson could be a first name, but since you and I don't share many first-name-basis acquaintances, and Nelson in UK is a surname (it is a first name in South America), I had already surmised it was a last name
11:05:06 <kandinski> and in the following context I got he had to be a computer scientist
11:05:25 <kandinski> somehow my mind veered towards Norman Nielsen, and stayed there, thoroughly stumped
11:06:10 <sbp> apparently, Nelson is also the name of a city in New Zealand
11:06:28 <sbp> I wonder if you'd've thought about it any differently had you lived there?
11:06:39 <kandinski> don't think so
11:06:47 <kandinski> it wasn't in a locative clause
11:06:48 <sbp> it'd be like me saying "I don't think Madrid could remember command line switches..."
11:07:13 <kandinski> exactly, the semantics were wrong for a city
11:08:04 <kandinski> but if it were "Nelson protested the bombings peacefully" (first example that comes to my mind, sorry for that), I could have room for doubt
11:08:06 <sbp> but still only from "remember" onwards
11:08:36 <sbp> hmm, that's a point. so it's definitely semantic and not syntactic
11:09:34 <kandinski> yes, well, I was thinking of companies, which are made of persons, and even legal persons under US law
11:09:43 <kandinski> sometimes you read "Disney does this and that2
11:09:50 <kandinski> s/2/\"
11:10:12 <kandinski> and you have to re-parse when you thougt it was the company and it turns out to be Roy, or vice-versa
11:10:28 <sbp> ah. I was still thinking about a city--the city of Nelson protested the bombings peacefully... things like that often appaer in the media when there's only a majority
11:11:02 <sbp> reminds me of a good article somewhere that I won't be able to find...
11:11:57 <kandinski> but I agree that semantics give many many clues, to the point where syntax can often be used for redundancy checking etc
11:12:20 <kandinski> I am thinking as a learner of foreign languages, you can get very far with nouns, verbs, and cheek
11:13:00 <sbp> hmm. I can't find it, but I have found a good example: "John hit the girl with the freckles"
11:13:04 <sbp> y'have to backtrack
11:13:29 <kandinski> phone, brb
11:14:53 <sbp> * sbp starts to read about Sentence Processing again, and decides that he ought do other work first
11:32:06 <kandinski> I am back. And sbp, if you are busy working we can chat about this some other time. I find it very intirestingy
11:42:50 <sbp> thanks. yeah, I've been semi-slacking off the last couple of days except for a long meeting yesterday
11:43:09 <sbp> thought I'd better get back on top of things
11:46:41 <kandinski> ok, see you then
11:47:04 <kandinski> I better try and push the cart off the mud too
11:51:59 <evangineer> xover, never even heard of Hixie before you mentioned him. I may be going to Bergen for a business trip not a holiday, though there is a high probability of drinking and skiing sometime during the trip.
12:06:49 <JimJibber> skiing in May? that would be on a glacier, or is there still snow?
12:07:11 <evangineer> dunno tbh
12:09:11 <evangineer> the skiing bit is something that our host might insist on us doing.
12:09:42 <JimJibber> your host is a maniacal ski nazi?
12:10:11 <evangineer> nah, he's a jovial ski nazi!
12:10:42 <evangineer> .wn jovial
12:10:43 <xena> jovial defined as:
12:10:44 <datum> jovial is defined as:-
12:10:45 <xena> - adj : full of or showing high-spirited merriment; "when hearts were young and gay"; "a poet could not but be gay, in such a jocund company"- Wordsworth; "the jolly crowd at the reunion"; "jolly old Saint Nick"; "a jovial old gentleman"; "have a merry Christmas"; "peals of merry laughter"; "a mirthful laugh" [syn: {gay}, {jocund}, {jolly}, {merry}, {mirthful}]
12:10:48 <datum> 1. full of or showing high-spirited merriment; "when hearts were young and gay"; "a poet could not but be gay, in such a jocund company"- Wordsworth; "the jolly crowd at the reunion"; "jolly old Saint Nick"; "a jovial old gentleman"; "have a merry Christmas"; "peals of merry laughter"; "a mirthful laugh"
12:11:08 <JimJibber> a jovian ski nazi would be better...
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12:12:23 <evangineer> then he'd be complaining about the lack of gravity all the time.
12:16:48 <JimJibber> ah true...
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13:37:54 <sbp> The Swhackian Word of the Day today is: kilter
13:37:57 <sbp> .define kilter
13:37:59 <xena> sorry couldn't find an appropriate definition for 'kilter'
13:37:59 <datum> kilter is defined as:-
13:38:01 <datum> 1. in working order; "out of kilter"; "in good kilter"
13:38:41 <jsled> off-kilter.
13:38:55 <sbp> "Origin unknown" according to bartleby, but I've heard it's from Gaelic
13:38:56 <jsled> under-kiltered?
13:39:25 <sbp> Webster's: f. Gael. & Ir. cealt clothes, Gael. cealltair spear, castle, cause, Prov. E. kilter tool, instrument. Cf. Kilt.
13:39:38 <kandinski> sbp, I love words like off-kilter, uncouth and disgruntled
13:39:41 <sbp> megakiltered
13:39:49 <jsled> k-kiltered
13:39:59 <sbp> heh, couth and gruntled are good too. unpaired negatives you mean?
13:40:01 <kandinski> and I am couth, and in kilter, but nobody ever says "I am gruntled, he is gruntled"
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13:40:17 <kandinski> yes, I mean words usually used in the negative
13:40:22 <sbp> like ept. bonus points if you can tell me who first coined the word "ept"
13:40:39 <kandinski> there should be a program for gruntling US postal workers, f'rinstance
13:40:43 <sbp> Unpaired Words (form Quinion): http://www.quinion.com/words/articles/unpaired.htm
13:40:44 <swhacker> posted 300
13:40:45 <supybot> Title: Articles: Unpaired words (at www.quinion.com)
13:40:51 <redmonk> mornin
13:40:57 <redmonk> er, swhack!
13:40:58 <kandinski> ept meaning? elled and apt?
13:41:06 <sbp> 300::inept doesnt belong in this list, as there was never a word ept of which it was the negative form. It was actually formed from the Latin ineptus, unsuited, absurd, foolish, at the beginning of the seventeenth century. However, it just scrapes a place because ept was created from it in modern times (by E B White of the New Yorker in 1938)
13:41:10 <sbp> 'ello remdonk
13:41:14 <sbp> REM DONK
13:41:17 <sbp> redmonk rather
13:41:24 <redmonk> heeh ;)
13:41:29 <sbp> ept being the antonym of inept
13:41:31 <kandinski> ah, from "inept": very good
13:42:30 <jsled> .wn kilter
13:42:32 <datum> kilter is defined as:-
13:42:33 <datum> 1. in working order; "out of kilter"; "in good kilter"
13:42:33 <xena> kilter defined as:
13:42:34 <xena> - n : in working order; "out of kilter"; "in good kilter" [syn: {kelter}]
13:42:39 <jsled> .wn kelter
13:42:39 <xena> kelter defined as:
13:42:40 <datum> kelter is defined as:-
13:42:41 <xena> - n : in working order; "out of kilter"; "in good kilter" [syn: {kilter}]
13:42:41 <datum> 1. in working order; "out of kilter"; "in good kilter"
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13:45:15 <Sunir> y
13:45:15 <Sunir> o
13:45:17 <sbp> hey there Sunir. topic of conversation at the moment is unpaired negatives. "ruthless" is a pretty good one
13:45:35 <sbp> in fact, ruth as a word did exist in Middle English, I believe
13:45:37 <Sunir> my grandmother's name is Ruth
13:45:51 <Sunir> the root is rue though
13:47:14 <sbp> yep
13:47:43 <kandinski> Ruth is the woman in the bible who was unRuthless, if I recall correctly
13:47:55 <sbp> Ruth/Ruthless (many people's word of the day): http://www.abc.net.au/classic/breakfast/stories/s867796.htm
13:47:56 <swhacker> posted 301
13:47:57 <supybot> Title: ABC Classic FM Word of the Day: Ruthless (at www.abc.net.au)
13:48:03 <kandinski> so she named the quality of compassion or pity
13:48:09 <sbp> 301::Originally to rue meant to be struck with contrition and it came from an Old English word with much the same meaning. So, if you rued something (felt sorrow over it) then you were displaying ruth if, however, you failed to do so, you were ruthless.
13:48:30 <kandinski> ah, hadn't read the backroll
13:48:52 <sbp> 301:Also covered on <a href="http://www.quinion.com/words/qa/qa-rut1.htm">Quinion</a>, and <a href="http://www.randomhouse.com/wotd/index.pperl?date=19971107">Mavens' Word of the Day</a>
13:48:53 <kandinski> I have heard the verb "to rue" in a pop song not long ago
13:48:53 <supybot> Title: The Mavens' Word of the Day (at www.randomhouse.com)
13:48:54 <supybot> Title: Page not found (at www.quinion.com)
13:49:17 <sbp> 301:Ooh, and here's a <a href="http://rec-puzzles.org/sol.pl/language/english/etymology/fossil">nice list of fossils</a>
13:49:18 <supybot> Title: Solution for /language/english/etymology/fossil (at rec-puzzles.org)
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13:50:32 <Sunir> Book of Ruth.. very interesting
13:51:01 <kandinski> Sunir, mind you I was quoting from memory
13:51:30 <Sunir> very impressive
13:51:39 <Sunir> etymology is endlessly fascinating
13:52:14 <redmonk> well, cyall when i get to work.
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13:52:44 <kandinski> "And I could make you rue the day/but I could never make you stay" -- All My Little Words (69 Love Songs) The Magnetic Fields
13:52:46 <sbp> unfortunately, yes. as jeremiah noted a couple of weeks ago, programming is the other field that seems to suck you in and entice you with ever more of its wares
13:53:06 <sbp> .define jeremiad
13:53:07 <datum> jeremiad is defined as:-
13:53:07 <xena> sorry couldn't find an appropriate definition for 'jeremiad'
13:53:08 <datum> 1. a long and mournful complaint; "a jeremiad against any form of government"
13:53:08 <kandinski> but then sbp proved that mine was a folk etymology, I was wrong!
13:53:10 <kandinski> again!
13:53:39 <sbp> yeah, well, go write a jeremiad against it then :-)
13:53:40 <kandinski> sbp can google faster than I can remember, and he has proved me wrong on Austen, Ruth and several other topics...
13:54:03 <sbp> heheh. wow, you still remember the Austen thing? you're never going to forgive yourself for that, are you? :-)
13:54:16 <kandinski> noooo!!!!
13:54:25 <Sunir> Austen?
13:54:25 <sbp> poor kandinski
13:54:34 <kandinski> I am an English graduate, and I love Austen to death
13:54:49 <kandinski> "it was himself whom he could not forgive"
13:54:53 <sbp> Jane, noted female English novelist. let me find the reference for you, just to keep kandinski on his toes too
13:55:28 <kandinski> let me look for the poem, you might like it
13:55:38 <Sunir> what about her?
13:56:25 <d8uv> !iata ASS
13:56:26 <wh4> no results found, sorry
13:56:50 <d8uv> Dang.
13:57:08 <kandinski> http://www.nextlevel.com.my/ViewQuestion.php?QuestionID=2364
13:57:13 <supybot> Title: Free Online Tuition - poetry scansion (at www.nextlevel.com.my)
13:57:19 <kandinski> heh, you find the darnedest things on the net
13:57:45 <kandinski> no poem, but a free tuition site with some kid asking what the meter is for the first two verses
13:57:52 <kandinski> let me abuse the neelie:
13:57:54 <kandinski> [[[
13:58:05 <kandinski> Of the four louts who threw him off the dock
13:58:16 <kandinski> Three are now dead, and so more faintly mock
13:58:25 <kandinski> The way he choked and splashed and was afraid
13:58:36 <kandinski> His memory of the fourth begins to fade
13:58:37 <kandinski> ]]]
13:58:42 <sbp> Sunir: http://notabug.com/swhack/chatlogs/2004-04-13.html#T22-59-51
13:58:43 <supybot> Title: IRC log of swhack on 2004-04-13 (at notabug.com)
13:58:52 <kandinski> I am not sure about the punctuation
13:59:00 <kandinski> one of my favouritest poems ever
13:59:02 <sbp> hey there d8uv
13:59:12 <d8uv> Hi
13:59:18 <Sunir> error 404, sbp
13:59:35 <kandinski> "my all-time favourite poems of all time"
13:59:53 <sbp> $ curl -I http://notabug.com/swhack/chatlogs/2004-04-13.html
13:59:53 <sbp> HTTP/1.1 200 OK
13:59:53 <supybot> Title: IRC log of swhack on 2004-04-13 (at notabug.com)
14:01:00 <sbp> i.e. "odd. works for me!"
14:01:27 <d8uv> I'm too lazy to check if it WFM.
14:01:27 <sbp> perhaps your IRC client thinks that the hash is a part of the URI and is encoding it as %23?
14:01:47 <kandinski> I got it all right
14:02:08 <Sunir> my internet connection seems to have issues
14:02:27 <kandinski> unresolved issues?
14:02:31 <Sunir> i'm in from one of my other nodes on the net
14:02:39 <Sunir> haha, kandinski
14:02:40 <Sunir> nice pun
14:02:46 <kandinski> heh, glad you liked it
14:03:16 <kandinski> I have been crafting it all night, in a drunken frenzy of absinthe and haschisch
14:03:29 <kandinski> I love punning with clichés
14:04:51 <kandinski> I wrote a story where all the characters had names based on clichés: "Marco Incomparable", "Franca Mejoría"
14:05:55 <d8uv> Puns are underrated.
14:08:51 <kandinski> I have heard the "a pun is the lowest form of wit" so many times...
14:09:04 <kandinski> yes, clever_punning++
14:09:30 <kandinski> we need more Blackadder!
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14:10:42 <sbp> they had puns so clever that you could stick a tail on it and call it a fox
14:11:33 <Sunir> blackadder++
14:14:02 <kandinski> yes... the times
14:14:29 <Sunir> laters folks
14:14:40 <kandinski> cya Sunir
14:14:52 <kandinski> we will be working on our cunning plans
14:15:20 <kandinski> or forming our own punning clans
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14:18:14 <kandinski> * kandinski waves at Morbus
14:18:41 <Morbus> * Morbus moons kandinski.
14:18:52 <Morbus> get it? waves? the tide? the moon?!
14:18:55 <Morbus> oh ho ho!
14:18:57 <Morbus> that's an old joke.
14:18:58 <sbp> * sbp waves at Morbus'... underparts
14:19:00 <Morbus> but you're a new swhacker.
14:19:03 <Morbus> so. yeah.
14:19:09 <Morbus> sbp, dude, answer my email, you hoe.
14:19:10 <sbp> heheh
14:19:12 <sbp> look
14:19:19 <sbp> I'm emailing loads of people today
14:19:27 <Morbus> uh huh.
14:19:28 <sbp> I have two people to email before you
14:19:35 <sbp> but!
14:19:36 <Morbus> gmail sucks so bad it ruins relationships.
14:19:44 <jsled> heh
14:19:46 <sbp> if you tell me a dirty limerick, I'll move you up to the next person
14:19:46 <Morbus> i don't even think i want your reply anymore. elitist bitch.
14:19:56 <sbp> heheh
14:20:04 <Morbus> there was once a bot from swhack.
14:20:11 <Morbus> that encoded binaries and stuff.
14:20:12 <kandinski> hmm, didn't know the joke
14:20:19 <kandinski> should I moon back?
14:20:20 <Morbus> through functions like pack
14:20:29 <Morbus> and hilaries like duff.
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14:20:59 <kandinski> ah, sorry Morbus for the interception
14:20:59 <Morbus> it inspired films that seemed like snuff.
14:21:12 <Morbus> i really should think of a punchline before i paint myself in a corner.
14:21:19 <kandinski> doh! again!
14:21:35 <Morbus> morning jsled.
14:21:43 <kandinski> I love how you pronounce "hilaries" like "hil'rees" so it scans
14:21:44 <sbp> that was neither dirty nor a limerick, BUT! I'll reply to you next anyway, even though I like to save the ones that are going to take me several hours till last
14:21:59 <kandinski> it was a quasy-limerick
14:22:01 <d8uv> Morbus: I usually have a minute between setup and punchline to make a punchline.
14:22:05 <kandinski> quasi, even
14:22:15 <sbp> mmm... Ceylon
14:22:19 <d8uv> This is what happens when you humor the easily amused.
14:23:08 <kandinski> I once met a girl from Brazil
14:23:54 <kandinski> who owed her pimp half a mil
14:24:22 <kandinski> she sold off her car
14:24:46 <jsled> morning, Morbus
14:24:48 <kandinski> and wed a film star
14:25:05 <jsled> "A UDDI registry service is a Web service. It exposes a SOAP API that isdescribed by WSDL."
14:25:09 <jsled> * jsled puts gun to head
14:25:10 <kandinski> though her chances were much worse than nil
14:25:53 <kandinski> ah, I already got your mail, sbp. This is a non-dirty limerick for you. Best I could do under the circumstances.
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14:56:27 <sbp> there you go, Morbus. it should be flinging itself along the route to your mailbox
14:56:39 <Morbus> too bad.
14:56:42 <Morbus> * Morbus bounces it back.
14:57:01 <kandinski> quick, sbp, unplug your mx!
14:57:16 <sbp> hehe
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15:01:07 <redmonk> yo
15:02:05 <sbp> hey there redmonk
15:02:43 <sbp> I managed to invent the word "mannerismless" in my email to Morb, incidentally
15:02:57 <Morbus> heh.
15:03:03 <Morbus> yeah, there should be a +1 on that.
15:03:11 <Morbus> but we'd have to do that after a spellcheck.
15:03:20 <Morbus> we don't want to reward mispellings.
15:03:32 <sbp> it's hard to work out which words are derivatives, and which are just misspellings
15:03:36 <Morbus> incidentally, i've not read your email yet (-1 using the same word in the last ten lines of text)
15:03:42 <sbp> for example, the word "mispelling" is often used ironitcally
15:04:03 <sbp> heh. -spellbot- mispelling could be: dispelling :: ironitcally could be: chronically
15:04:14 <sbp> * sbp thwaps spellbot
15:04:16 <Morbus> heh
15:04:30 <sbp> whoo! <IdleBot> sbp, the person, has attained level 2! Next level in 0 days, 00:13:27.
15:05:19 <sbp> I'm picking up some interesting items of attire in there
15:08:08 <kandinski> heh, I mispell "misspell" very often, unironically even
15:08:37 <sbp> so in those cases, probably even a human couldn't tell whether you should get -1 or +1
15:08:58 <Morbus> * Morbus finishes reading sbp's email.
15:09:01 <kandinski> well, I could get both
15:09:05 <Morbus> * Morbus goes off to do work, letting things simmer.
15:09:11 <jsled> Wow ... I wonder how many times I can misspell circle today.
15:09:27 <kandinski> and tank up on "total number of moderations", which is the only score that really counts
15:09:36 <sbp> heh, Morbus and his home cookin'...
15:09:41 <Morbus> :)
15:09:57 <Morbus> if i get some time this afternoon, i'll chat with you about it on irc.
15:10:23 <sbp> excellent
15:11:45 <Morbus> sbp: as a rough model, though, less osxcelot, more spamassassin
15:12:01 <Morbus> that's a good summing up of the rules system.
15:12:13 <sbp> E_TOO_MUCH_MORBUS
15:12:17 <kandinski> you are going to discuss spamfighting in this channel?
15:13:38 <Morbus> sbp: yeah, exactly. the goal is less "plugins can run themselves" and more "plugins can modify the final score of your entry".
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15:13:53 <Morbus> in that case, the hard stuff doesn't have to come first. we can work on the simplistic shit first.
15:14:29 <sbp> right. so the first step is to get a bot in that can apply the simple rule '.*' -> 0
15:14:33 <sbp> hey there libby
15:14:42 <Morbus> heh, heh, yeah, exactly :)
15:15:10 <Morbus> and, i think the scoring should be similar to spamassassin too. less integers, more decimals.
15:15:40 <sbp> oh, and as an easter egg, anyone that mentions banoffi pie can have pi points
15:16:03 <Morbus> (if i laugh, he'll think i got it!)
15:16:04 <Morbus> heh, heh.
15:16:18 <sbp> :-)
15:16:23 <evangineer> how many points for cake?
15:17:04 <evangineer> especially chocolate cake
15:17:13 <sbp> e for mentioning natural blondes
15:17:21 <sbp> lots of points for cake, of course
15:17:26 <sbp> BIGNUM
15:17:46 <sbp> hmm! -spellbot- bignum could be: magnum, labium
15:17:56 <Morbus> sbp; ignoring my response, if you wanted to bust out the first step and email me, have ablast.
15:18:23 <sbp> no, no, I want to see you suffe^H^H^H^H^Henjoy learning Python!
15:19:03 <Morbus> ok, then bust me out a bot sample. one that just logs in and joins a room.
15:19:10 <redmonk> @itunes++
15:19:13 <sbp> okay
15:19:14 <redmonk> itunes 4.5 is out
15:19:19 <Morbus> what's it do?
15:19:31 <sbp> plays music, I think
15:19:36 <Morbus> HOLY SHIT!
15:19:38 <jsled> playlist sharing is the big one.
15:19:39 <Morbus> that's so awesome.
15:19:42 <Morbus> * Morbus downloads.
15:19:53 <Morbus> wait, didn't thye turn that off? ;)
15:20:01 <sbp> holy crap! i really said 'holy crap!' twenty times in the last
15:20:02 <sbp> three days? weak, dude, weak!
15:20:22 <Morbus> :)
15:20:27 <sbp> I guess I'll allow the "shit" variation, but consider yourself warned!
15:20:38 <Morbus> kandinski: you're supposed to know the secret email conversations me and sbp have.
15:20:46 <Morbus> and thus, when we talk about them here, totally understand what's goign on.
15:20:55 <sbp> yeah, what gives man? what's wrong with your telepathy/writetapping abilities today?
15:21:08 <sbp> writetapping? wiretapping, perhaps
15:21:50 <sbp> feel free to talk on log; makes it easier for me to grep for you when I think "hmm, what did kandinski enquire of Morbus and me or I the other day?"
15:22:15 <libby> hey sbp
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15:22:44 <kandinski> sbp, I just didn't want to spoil the flow, and wanted to know what the f*** you were going on about
15:22:52 <sbp> oh I meant to speak to you about that: "me" was indeed correct given that it's objective case, but I think that "I" is becoming colloquially acceptable just as "who" is for "whom". but perhaps that's just a backpedally excuse
15:23:00 <sbp> bah. flow
15:23:38 <sbp> English keeps losing case
15:23:55 <kandinski> the following [off] lines were there in order not to waste contextboobies
15:24:11 <jsled> * jsled guesses...
15:24:14 <kandinski> "me", "myself" and "I"
15:24:22 <jsled> auto-"karma"-tracking b0t.
15:24:31 <jsled> based on in-channel utterances.
15:24:34 <sbp> I'm starting to realise why AaronSw secretly logged all our off-logged comments for all those years
15:24:48 <sbp> jsled: yep, very close, but think more RPG
15:24:52 <kandinski> wow, jsled, you are clever
15:24:56 <jsled> ah. The Anti-Idle-Bot.
15:25:05 <kandinski> what is Idle-Bot?
15:25:10 <kandinski> I am way behind
15:25:11 <jsled> Er ... IdleRPG bot.
15:25:20 <sbp> and think more... AIish, so with mannerism detectors, and a pile of other crazy crap that Morbus has been dreaming up
15:25:21 <jsled> Unless...
15:25:29 <sbp> kandinski: try #idlerpg
15:25:30 <jsled> The IRCQuake scoring bot...
15:25:37 <sbp> *splutch*
15:25:53 <kandinski> I feel like what happened when -check this out- we moved town and I went to a new school where kids had been studying English for three years
15:26:35 <kandinski> and in Spain you are (or we were then) assigned to your class on an age basis, no levels, no remedial, nothing
15:26:43 <kandinski> so I had to catch up. Fast.
15:27:00 <kandinski> but an autokarma bot seems quite a challenge
15:27:12 <kandinski> such as. who do "hehe" points to?
15:27:28 <sbp> I wonder how often people gay themselves up just to acquire faghags? "oh dahhling, that's a fabulous outfit! what's your bra material made of--it looks particularly exquisitely sumptuous through your top. mind if I have a feel? I could reupholster my sofa in it!"
15:27:53 <kandinski> last utterance? last utterance by someone else? Morbus just hehe'd himself
15:28:02 <jsled> I'd have to hope infrequently. I'd _really_ have to hope so.
15:28:25 <kandinski> sbp, there are many Spanish 70's films (carry-on style) that dwell on that topic
15:28:38 <kandinski> but in my experience, fag-hags make for terrible girlfriends
15:29:29 <sbp> I guessed it might be a bit disconcerting for them when they find out you're not gay, yes. you could always claim that you decided that you were gay, but now that you've met this absolutely ENCHANTING friend, perhaps you're just bi
15:30:10 <kandinski> eh-- I don't think so
15:30:25 <sbp> imagine me waving my palms in the air as I say "enchanting", incidentally
15:30:25 <kandinski> but if you try, you can tell me all about it later
15:30:30 <kandinski> fuck fuck fuck fuck
15:30:35 <kandinski> FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK
15:30:38 <Morbus> sbp: good one.
15:30:43 <Morbus> add a rule for emotes.
15:30:46 <sbp> good what?
15:30:49 <sbp> oh. heheh
15:30:51 <Morbus> :)
15:30:51 <kandinski> this really is Déjà Vu all over again
15:30:53 <sbp> gay emotes in that case
15:31:05 <sbp> kandinski: you've done rm -rf / as root *again*?!
15:31:33 <kandinski> sbp, I am sure someone told me this very same musing on pretend-gaying and fag-hag girlfriend acquisition before
15:31:53 <kandinski> and I hate déjà vus when they are not sensorial
15:31:55 <sbp> heh. maybe I have an IRC twin out there somewhere
15:31:56 <Morbus> -0.4 for racial or cultural slurs.
15:32:08 <sbp> what?! when did I slur?
15:32:15 <Morbus> no, no, kandy.
15:32:18 <Morbus> you know what'd be fun?
15:32:20 <Morbus> a rhyming rule.
15:32:21 <sbp> oh phew
15:32:23 <kandinski> I don't mind the "I have seen this before"
15:32:26 <sbp> you utter fool
15:32:29 <Morbus> or a sylabble rule.
15:32:32 <kandinski> did I slur?
15:32:35 <Morbus> if i rhyme, more points.
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15:32:39 <kandinski> I didn't mean to
15:32:43 <Morbus> if my slyllabes match musical notations (16 beats, etc.)
15:32:46 <Morbus> etc., etc.
15:32:47 <sbp> if you rhyme, the bot anoints?
15:32:53 <sbp> oh!
15:33:01 <sbp> Morbus, did you not see our iambic pentameter games?
15:33:03 <Morbus> man, i'd really love to do this bot ;)
15:33:05 <kandinski> what of one breath words that ryme? i ask
15:33:06 <Morbus> i did, yes :)
15:33:13 <sbp> in brief you have to write your lines like this
15:33:17 <sbp> oh good
15:33:20 <kandinski> and of verse that scans just right?
15:33:45 <kandinski> Morbus, seriously though, where was my slur?
15:33:46 <Morbus> sbp: /tell <bot> to subtract -0.1 for words with the letter 'n' in them.
15:33:51 <Morbus> kandinski: ignore it.
15:33:58 <jsled> ooh.
15:33:58 <Morbus> er.
15:34:00 <jsled> * jsled likes that.
15:34:03 <kandinski> and how would your bot tell apart use and mention?
15:34:04 <Morbus> wait. not subtract -0.1
15:34:08 <Morbus> that'd be an absolute <g>
15:34:41 <kandinski> * kandinski is worried he might be inconsciously slurring his racial epithets
15:34:59 <Morbus> -0.01, no period.
15:36:05 <kandinski> sbp, there is a definition of "pomosexual" that I like
15:36:18 <sbp> I'll bet there are schools out there that teach you how to act gay
15:36:23 <kandinski> maybe it should be written "(po-mo)sexual"
15:36:25 <sbp> pomosexual: haha
15:36:55 <kandinski> people who pretend to be bi because it is fashionable, but wouldn't even dare to think of going to bed with a person of the same sex
15:37:05 <kandinski> close to what you said, really
15:37:05 <Morbus> sbp: /I'll (bet|suspect|guess)/ -> speculation, -0.05.
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15:37:27 <jsled> "I'll suspect"? who eveyr says that?
15:37:31 <Morbus> -0.01 not changing default /quit.
15:37:32 <kandinski> and your school for gay-acting is called "Queer Eye", isn't it?
15:37:39 <jsled> I'd suspect. Or I suspect...
15:37:41 <kandinski> I have never seen it though
15:37:41 <Morbus> jsled: shuddup <g>
15:37:44 <kandinski> * kandinski looks around
15:37:50 <Morbus> i watch queer eye.
15:37:53 <kandinski> * kandinski assesses the damage
15:37:58 <sbp> if I'd've said "there are schools out there that teach gayness", I'd've possibly been lying. how was I to avoid the speculationarizing?
15:38:17 <kandinski> I could use the fab five's advice
15:38:32 <kandinski> they should bring a bulldozer on their first visit, though
15:38:37 <Morbus> who cares about your intent?
15:38:46 <Morbus> a bot can't tell truth without a buildup of facts ;)
15:38:55 <kandinski> Morbus, I would see it but it is not on in Spain
15:38:59 <sbp> Morbus is a frog
15:39:10 <Morbus> +1. mentioning Morbus.
15:39:13 <sbp> hehe
15:39:16 <Morbus> :)
15:39:33 <sbp> Morbus: botsnack
15:39:34 <kandinski> I got a spoonerism in before
15:39:39 <Morbus> * Morbus nibbles happily.
15:39:48 <sbp> Morbus: +1 (nibbling)
15:39:49 <kandinski> does that count?
15:40:03 <sbp> where's the spoonerism?
15:40:39 <sbp> <kandinski> next to the forkerism
15:40:40 <sbp> groan
15:40:53 <Morbus> sbp: acutally, yeah, you know, plugins should be just like osxcelot.
15:41:09 <Morbus> btu they should have the same "feel" as a spamassassin urle.
15:41:14 <sbp> phew. I predicted future Morbus
15:41:15 <Morbus> i still would want to write some in perl ;)
15:41:19 <Morbus> heh, heh.
15:41:22 <Morbus> yeah. i suck.
15:41:28 <Morbus> -0.01 self deprecation.
15:41:34 <Morbus> SELF_DEPRECATION
15:41:47 <sbp> hmm. but giving yourself -0.01 is also self deprecation!
15:41:54 <sbp> so you're in a -0.01 assignment loop!
15:41:55 <Morbus> our first infinite loop!
15:41:58 <sbp> -INFINITY
15:41:59 <jsled> heh
15:42:00 <sbp> whoo!
15:42:02 <Morbus> * Morbus hugs.
15:42:26 <sbp> perhaps we can pass datatypes between Perl and Python. there must be a fairly easy way of doing that... surely? :-)
15:42:34 <Morbus> there should be a +1 for NOT_TRIPPING_OTHER_RULES
15:42:40 <sbp> heh
15:42:44 <Morbus> just so that we can analyze the text and make a rule ;)
15:43:03 <Morbus> sbp: it'd be nice if plugins just received the text/sentence.
15:43:11 <sbp> we'd have to make sure we don't have a .* rule then
15:43:18 <Morbus> and returned a -/+ num.
15:43:24 <Morbus> the bot would handle all the name assignment and scoring and crap.
15:43:40 <sbp> hmm. but then you'd have to hand out the text to possibly hundreds of modules and wait for all the responses
15:43:57 <Morbus> what were your ideas on the plugin scheme then?
15:43:59 <sbp> if one of the modules is all O NOE I ARE BORK... FUCK! then the response is going to be very slow
15:44:26 <sbp> import QuantumComputer
15:44:40 <sbp> computons = QuantumComputer.forkAcrossSpaceTime()
15:44:53 <sbp> for computon in computons:
15:45:02 <Morbus> foreach computons: determine placement in pi;
15:45:04 <sbp> computon.compute(rules.pop())
15:45:10 <Morbus> oh, wait, i forgot. whitespace is syntax.
15:45:14 <sbp> YEAH
15:45:21 <sbp> and no semi-colons. ew
15:45:21 <Morbus> * Morbus grumbles ;)
15:45:41 <jsled> I was having trouble getting used to the ';' thing last night.
15:45:52 <jsled> they just ... kept coming out.
15:45:56 <jsled> It was ... embarassing.
15:46:05 <Morbus> * Morbus nods.
15:46:07 <jsled> I like ... William Shatner
15:46:12 <Morbus> it's like, being told not to end your sentences anymore.
15:46:14 <Morbus> with a period.
15:46:17 <Morbus> ridiculous.
15:46:40 <sbp> you shouldn't end them with periods on IRC, except in the middle of a line
15:46:47 <sbp> case in point:
15:46:51 <sbp> <Morbus> it's like, being told not to end your sentences anymore.
15:46:51 <sbp> <Morbus> with a period.
15:47:01 <sbp> "with a period" is not a valid sentence
15:47:06 <sbp> it was an afterthought
15:47:20 <sbp> if you'd've left the period out in your first line
15:47:23 <Morbus> right, but an afterthought would be best approached with an ellipses.
15:47:28 <Morbus> ... you know?
15:47:32 <sbp> it would've been better
15:47:38 <sbp> yeah
15:48:06 <sbp> line endings are great, though
15:48:14 <sbp> they're a brand new form of punctuation
15:48:28 <sbp> not quite a comma, not quite a full stop, not quite a semi-colon!
15:48:52 <Morbus> so, they're absense should be construed as their existence?
15:48:59 <Morbus> *their
15:49:00 <sbp> their absence
15:49:05 <Morbus> yeah, whatever.
15:49:07 <sbp> heheh
15:49:09 <Morbus> go code a bot to spank me.
15:49:09 <Morbus> ;)
15:49:19 <sbp> I'd rather spank you myself, of course
15:49:25 <Morbus> as would I, as would I.
15:49:29 <Morbus> * Morbus gazes off.
15:49:36 <sbp> but no, they exist--they're just like spaces, non-printable characters
15:49:48 <sbp> * sbp clicks fingers in front of Morbus
15:49:55 <Morbus> eh, what, what? oh.
15:50:02 <sbp> non printable
15:50:22 <sbp> which is a misnomer, really. non printable characters are printable
15:50:28 <Morbus> so, python doesn't have a "strong" irc module?
15:50:33 <Morbus> one that everyone uses?
15:50:44 <kandinski> sbp, my spoonerism was on a Blackadder theme, for Sunir
15:50:45 <kandinski> <kandinski> we will be working on our cunning plans
15:50:46 <kandinski> <kandinski> or forming our own punning clans
15:50:56 <sbp> it doesn't have one in its standard library, no, but it does have an asyncore module
15:51:01 <sbp> oh, right. sorryt
15:51:05 <sbp> s/t$//
15:51:48 <Morbus> +0.5 PCRE_ATTEMPT
15:51:59 <jsled> heh
15:52:00 <sbp> what? "ATTEMPT"?!
15:52:15 <kandinski> PCRE?
15:52:16 <Morbus> you want to write something that will confirm if it's valid or not for your previous text? ;0
15:52:25 <sbp> Perl Compatible Regular Expressions
15:52:38 <sbp> supybot could do that
15:52:46 <kandinski> ah, I believe Python's are now all PCREs
15:52:49 <Morbus> no, supybot just applies the regexp against your previous text.
15:52:52 <kandinski> that is what I have read
15:52:53 <Morbus> it doesn't confirm if that's what you really meant.
15:53:05 <sbp> but it gives me the result too
15:53:05 <Morbus> ie., your regexp could just be functional, but wrong.
15:53:05 <kandinski> in my quest for not learning socially deprecated tools
15:53:12 <sbp> so I can check it manually
15:53:26 <Morbus> well, if you fix it again, you should get hit against I_SUCK_AT_PCRES
15:53:42 <sbp> @alias add sub re $1 "[last --from [whoami]]"
15:53:44 <redmonk> that's the trouble with regex, it's so eaasy to write ones that are wrong, but work.
15:53:55 <sbp> supybot? argh
15:54:09 <Morbus> yeah, i think that died about two hundred lines ago.
15:54:15 <sbp> bugger
15:54:40 <sbp> >>> import re
15:54:41 <sbp> >>> re.sub(r't$', '', 'oh, right. sorryt')
15:54:41 <sbp> 'oh, right. sorry'
15:54:41 <sbp> >>>
15:55:04 <Morbus> sbp: what's your point?
15:55:12 <Morbus> how would the rule know that that is what you intended?
15:55:12 <sbp> nothing really
15:55:31 <sbp> I was kinda musing that you could do a diff and spellcheck the changes
15:55:38 <Morbus> hmm.
15:55:41 <Morbus> that'd be interesting.
15:56:03 <Morbus> how would we do rule priority?
15:56:04 <sbp> oh, I should outline an interesting piece of code I was thinking about earlier
15:56:14 <Morbus> or rather, how does spamassassin handle it? does it?
15:56:15 <sbp> I was thinking about how best to determine whether something is a word or not
15:56:22 <Morbus> i think its just nn_rulename.sh
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15:57:39 <sbp> so I thought it'd be really neat to write a small program that would query for the word on a) Google b) lots of dictionaries c) past things that a person's said on IRC and in email (for stuff like phenomic...) and offset that against common misspellings and so forth, and then return an overall index based on a weighted sum of those inputs (think neural networks). in fact! you could even have people rate its results and do backwards propogation! that'd be very c
15:58:29 <sbp> as for rule priority, I guess I touched on that above too
15:58:48 <sbp> people could rate which rules they enjoy the most, maybe
15:58:59 <kandinski> sbp, there!
15:59:06 <Morbus> sbp: i don't think that'd work, rule rating.
15:59:06 <kandinski> people rating rules
15:59:10 <sbp> or the bot could do it itself based on how much laughter ensues after it makes a particular decision
15:59:13 <Morbus> because people will inevitablyl rate for rules that apply to them.
15:59:15 <Morbus> that give them higher scores.
15:59:21 <kandinski> and rating other people's ratings on a foaf basis
15:59:44 <sbp> then you could have a database that shows which rules apply to which person, and a person's rating would be weighted higher if they've had that rule applied to them less
15:59:49 <kandinski> no, Morbus, that keeps you honest
15:59:58 <Morbus> * Morbus snorts.
16:00:01 <Morbus> honesty?
16:00:18 <kandinski> * kandinski snorts, TWICE
16:00:31 <kandinski> yes, darling?
16:00:32 <Morbus> sbp: ah, so ratings would be on which rules they like the least, best?
16:00:42 <Morbus> so, like, "i hate when people mispell shit, rate++"?
16:00:51 <Morbus> as opposed to "i mispell shit all the time, rate--"
16:01:17 <sbp> exactly. if someone makes less misspellings, they'd have higher precedence in being able to rate spelling rules
16:01:34 <deltab> fewer, not less :-)
16:02:21 <sbp> less: "as, a less quantity or number" according to Webster's
16:03:00 <Morbus> * Morbus moves the ringposts from #disobey into #swhack,
16:04:16 <sbp> but I concede; fewer is at worst stylistically better
16:04:43 <AaronSw> *** AaronSw (~Snak@c-24-13-224-74.client.comcast.net) has joined #swhack
16:04:55 <Morbus> and that's when AaronSw walked in on us.
16:04:56 <sbp> hello stranger
16:05:07 <AaronSw> It's time for Who Wants to Be a Millionaire? Google Edition!
16:05:38 <Morbus> sbp: hmmm.
16:05:46 <Morbus> sbp: you know what would be neat?
16:05:48 <sbp> Aaron: deltab thinks that "less" is a relative sliding scale compartative, and that "fewer" is to be used instead for granular comparisons. do you agree?
16:05:50 <Morbus> sbp: using the spamassassin rules verbatim.
16:06:03 <Morbus> sbp: possible?
16:06:36 <sbp> <P>YES, I THINK THAT IS A GOO DIDEA MORBARS WE WILL NOT BE MARKED <FONT COLOR=#ff0000>DOWN</FORM> ON THAT AT ALL V|AG3RA. ROFFLE
16:06:54 <Morbus> sbp: well, there are rules for ALL_CAPITALS and so forth.
16:07:23 <sbp> * sbp checks out http://google.blogspace.com/ for clues to what Aaron was saying
16:07:31 <sbp> * sbp finds none
16:08:23 <sbp> I doubt that spamassassin would trigger enough on our material to be all that fun. and I'm not sure what the point of it would be, either. to find out who the most spammy person is on Swhack?
16:08:51 <sbp> of course, given that we've N years' worth of logs for Swhack, we should be able to run them all through any bot that we create and come up with some major rankings for people already
16:09:04 <Morbus> sbp: which we should do.
16:09:08 <sbp> AaronSw: did you enjoy SF?
16:11:25 <AaronSw> sbp, I thought that was more or less standard
16:11:41 <AaronSw> sbp, still writing the story
16:12:01 <AaronSw> sbp, yes
16:12:07 <AaronSw> ok, caught up now
16:13:21 <AaronSw> I really want to know what the deal with stock options is at Google.
16:13:31 <kandinski> heh, batch IRC'ing
16:13:40 <kandinski> hi, AaronSw, I am new in the channel
16:13:52 <kandinski> I have read your stuff, nice to meetcha
16:13:55 <Morbus> i call him kandy.
16:14:06 <kandinski> everybody calls me kandy
16:14:28 <kandinski> it was my highschool nickname, as you can find out by reading the logs
16:14:35 <Morbus> oh.
16:14:39 <Morbus> i don't read logs. i just make 'em.
16:14:45 <kandinski> hehe
16:15:06 <kandinski> "being called Candeira, I collect nicknames starting with /kand/"
16:15:12 <kandinski> there, the short version
16:15:27 <Morbus> candeira?
16:15:35 <Morbus> oh right, spain.
16:15:45 <kandinski> right
16:21:30 <AaronSw> ok, posted. http://google.blogspace.com/archives/001212
16:21:57 <danbri> *** danbri (~danbri@accueil.w3.org) has joined #swhack
16:22:04 <danbri> hello, trouble
16:22:12 <danbri> is that true about shatner?
16:22:17 <danbri> he must be stopped!
16:22:29 <Morbus> sup danbri.
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16:23:26 <sbp> oh man. one of the Google ads being displayed on Aaron's latest story: [[[
16:23:26 <sbp> Should Gmail be blocked?
16:23:27 <sbp> Should privacy issue stop the new email service? See survey results.
16:23:27 <sbp> www.yeald.com
16:23:27 <sbp> ]]]
16:23:33 <sbp> hey there danbri
16:23:44 <danbri> * danbri waves from the luxurious soft sands and waves palm trees of his desk in southern france
16:24:18 <kandinski> heh, sbp, I hate your deely style
16:24:37 <kandinski> now I understand why there are jihads over brace style
16:24:38 <eikeon> * eikeon waves to danbri... sounds very nice.
16:24:48 <kandinski> saw the end of the deely, couldn't find the start
16:24:57 <sbp> danbri: usual mix of stuff in here. unpaired negatives, style guidery, bot discussions, Google stuff from Aaron, etymologies, blah blah
16:24:58 <danbri> well its a generic office block, but the setting is nice
16:25:24 <kandinski> * kandinski is assuming the "[[[" is called the deely, but is not sure
16:25:47 <kandinski> deeley? Bueller?
16:28:13 <eikeon> * eikeon wonders if ircAsync is still in one of Aaron's CVSes
16:28:25 <eikeon> * eikeon tries to locate it
16:28:37 <sbp> um, the original is hosted by the W3C
16:28:42 <sbp> .g ircAsync
16:28:44 <datum> ircAsync: http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2000/scribe-bot/ircAsync.py
16:29:00 <eikeon> Yeah... but Aaron and I hacked on it a bit since.
16:29:05 <sbp> oh but that reminds me--where's the latest versiob of your irc.py?
16:29:06 <sbp> right
16:29:13 <sbp> I mentioned it to Morbus in The Email
16:29:18 <eikeon> And we did it using one of his CVS roots... wanted to check to see if he added anything since.
16:29:31 <sbp> I couldn't get one of the previous versions to work, so I didn't bother using it--I still use ircAsync for my bots
16:29:36 <sbp> but yours was designed a lot better
16:29:45 <sbp> if it has any dependencies, forget it though :-)
16:30:19 <Morbus> :D
16:30:34 <eikeon> Only depends on standard Python library.
16:32:10 <sbp> cool
16:32:12 <sbp> and aha, http://redfoot.net/2002/07/21/irc.py
16:32:34 <Morbus> #commands need some spacers.
16:32:42 <Morbus> four per line is fine, but break 'em up into visual columns.
16:32:49 <Morbus> or won't python let you do that with its ws-syntax?
16:32:58 <AaronSw> sweet: http://www.kde-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&file=9087-1.jpg&name=%2AKill+Bill%2A
16:33:00 <Morbus> i'm so anal, it rules.
16:33:06 <Morbus> AaronSw: what'd you think of the second one?
16:33:30 <eikeon> AaronSw, Do you still have irc client we hacked on togeather in CVS somewhere?
16:33:41 <AaronSw> .g infogami ircAsync
16:33:42 <datum> infogami ircAsync: http://cvs.plesh.net/infogami/irc.py
16:33:48 <eikeon> AaronSw, Thank you.
16:33:53 <AaronSw> np
16:34:11 <AaronSw> Morbus, the second kill bill pic?
16:34:17 <Morbus> * Morbus nods.
16:34:45 <AaronSw> i didn't like http://www.kde-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=2&file=9087-2.jpg&name=%2AKill+Bill%2A as much
16:34:57 <sbp> like this?
16:34:57 <sbp> PRIVMSG = 'PRIVMSG'; NOTICE = 'NOTICE'; PING = 'PING'; PONG = 'PONG'
16:34:57 <sbp> USER = 'USER'; NICK = 'NICK'; JOIN = 'JOIN'; PART = 'PART'
16:34:57 <sbp> INVITE = 'INVITE'; QUIT = 'QUIT'
16:35:03 <Morbus> can't tell.
16:35:11 <Morbus> my irc client is not mono.
16:35:14 <AaronSw> aargh, everything should be on DVD
16:35:16 <Morbus> not this one at least.
16:35:18 <AaronSw> that should be a law
16:35:30 <AaronSw> * AaronSw calls liz figeruoa
16:35:31 <sbp> loggy: pointer?
16:35:31 <sbp> See http://notabug.com/swhack/chatlogs/2004-04-28#T16-35-31
16:35:33 <Morbus> * Morbus pastes into text editor.
16:35:39 <sbp> tail http://notabug.com/swhack/chatlogs/2004-04-28.txt
16:35:41 <Morbus> I'd go like this...
16:36:05 <AaronSw> man, i'm going to be making Figueroa jokes for years, i bet
16:36:17 <Morbus> PRIVMSG = 'PRIVMSG'; NOTICE = 'NOTICE'; PING = 'PING'; PONG = 'PONG'
16:36:17 <Morbus> USER = 'USER'; NICK = 'NICK'; JOIN = 'JOIN'; PART = 'PART'
16:36:17 <Morbus> INVITE = 'INVITE'; QUIT = 'QUIT'
16:36:41 <Morbus> but, i'd probably take the extra hit of two lines to make it a strict two columns and five rows.
16:36:41 <sbp> yeah, that's fine
16:37:25 <Morbus> on the other hand, i'd .... foreach (PRIVMSG NOTICE PING) { $$_ = $_; }
16:37:25 <Morbus> ;)
16:37:34 <Morbus> but, obviously, that's not as flexible.
16:37:51 <Morbus> afk for lunch.
16:37:54 <Morbus> sbp: code when we get back?
16:38:02 <sbp> for _ in ('PRIVMSG', 'NOTICE', 'PING'): exec '%s = "%s"' % (_, _)
16:38:05 <deltab> why bother?
16:38:14 <Morbus> ew. that's hideous code.
16:38:19 <deltab> why not just type 'PING' etc.?
16:38:19 <Morbus> its worse then mine.
16:38:20 <sbp> so is foreach (PRIVMSG NOTICE PING) { $$_ = $_; }
16:38:29 <Morbus> deltab: yeah, that was my first intiional complaint.
16:38:31 <sbp> deltab: yeah, it's stupid
16:38:36 <Morbus> but, i know little about irc protocol.
16:38:49 <Morbus> sbp: it's worse then mine.
16:38:53 <Morbus> oh, i said that.
16:38:54 <Morbus> pff. ahahah
16:38:58 <sbp> haha
16:39:07 <Morbus> afk for lunch :)
16:39:12 <sbp> wow, that has got to be the worst case of Morbus absentmindedness evvah!
16:39:15 <sbp> c'ya :-)
16:39:35 <sbp> and you said "then" both times instead of "than"
16:40:53 <eikeon> Now to figure out why my bot based on irc.py no longer holds a connection. Think my cable modem connection here is not as relyable as it was in NH.
16:41:22 <AaronSw> it has nothing to do with IRC; it's a DanCism
16:41:28 <sbp> yeah, I've heard that ISPs are pretty good in NH
16:42:09 <sbp> DanC might've thought that IRC was likely to undergo odd changes in its commands
16:42:25 <eikeon> * eikeon wonders if AaronSw has made any more changes to irc.py that are not at: http://cvs.plesh.net/infogami/irc.py.diff
16:42:59 <sbp> "/infogami/irc.py.diff: unknown location"
16:43:00 <eikeon> Your bots seem to stay up.
16:43:06 <AaronSw> BBC in MP3 (Tom Coates + Matt Webb + BBC == GOODNESS!): http://www.plasticbag.org/archives/2004/04/bbc_releases_reith_lectures_online_as_mp3s.shtml
16:43:06 <swhacker> posted 302
16:43:28 <eikeon> sbp: http://cvs.plesh.net/infogami/irc.py
16:44:05 <AaronSw> I run my bots under supervise
16:44:14 <eikeon> .g supervise
16:44:15 <datum> supervise: http://cr.yp.to/daemontools/supervise.html
16:45:33 <datum> *** datum has quit (Remote closed the connection)
16:45:35 <eikeon> :)
16:45:45 <AaronSw> that's odd
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16:45:48 <AaronSw> what'd you do?
16:47:31 <eikeon> My bot is droping its conenction but stays running.
16:47:41 <eikeon> So I'll need to do something more than just supervise.
16:47:58 <eikeon> Wonder if I need a handle_close
16:49:09 <AaronSw> my bot does that too sometimes
16:49:13 <AaronSw> haven't tracked it down yet
16:49:37 <eikeon> * eikeon atempts to track down... should be working on other things though... oh well.
16:49:45 <AaronSw> i was thinking a simple fix would be to ping every couple seconds, and have it crash if there's a write error
16:51:00 <eikeon> My bot seems to drop its connection in less than an hour consistently... so it'll be fairly easy for me to test.
16:53:58 <sbp> hmm
16:53:59 <sbp> [[[
16:53:59 <sbp> 404 Not Found
16:53:59 <sbp> The Web site you seek
16:53:59 <sbp> cannot be located but
16:53:59 <sbp> endless others exist
16:54:04 <sbp> ]]] - http://linux.ucla.edu/~leiz/pictures/wtf/i_know_chmod.jpg
16:54:13 <sbp> that last line has six syllables, though
16:58:04 <AaronSw> oh, that's good. i couldn't get it to repeat over here
16:58:33 <AaronSw> * AaronSw listens to some 9 beet stretch
16:58:47 <AaronSw> these mp3 files are oddly large
16:58:55 <AaronSw> guess this is not the traditional use case
16:59:06 <AaronSw> or maybe there really is more precision here
17:03:25 <kandinski> sbp, "four oh four Not Found" is five syllables itself
17:03:35 <kandinski> so you could use that for your first line
17:03:51 <kandinski> 4 0 4 not found
17:04:16 <kandinski> Are you sure you don't want
17:04:21 <sbp> EEK, T3H PAGE ARE LOST / D00D THAT IS SO NOT ROX0R / GO AND FIND IT, BITCH
17:04:30 <kandinski> to go somewhere else?
17:04:42 <sbp> "are you sure you don't want" - 6
17:04:53 <kandinski> good one, sbp
17:05:17 <sbp> ta
17:05:19 <AaronSw> four oh four not found
17:05:19 <AaronSw> the page you want is not here
17:05:19 <AaronSw> cherry blossoms fall
17:05:22 <kandinski> I don't notice that I use Spanish verse rules (stress on the last syllable = add one) very often
17:05:44 <kandinski> s/are you sure you don't want/are you sure you didn't want/
17:05:59 <kandinski> Spanish verse rules are helpful for iambic pentameter, though
17:07:31 <sbp> <title>404 Not Found</title> / But on Web, archives <a href="http://web.archove.org/">abound</a> / So go <a href="http://www.google.com/">look around</a>
17:07:43 <sbp> just... look around
17:08:02 <sbp> s/archove/archive/
17:08:29 <sbp> an arcove is a beach cave that you stash smuggled goods in
17:10:27 <AaronSw> ok, time to do some Real Work (TM)
17:10:33 <sbp> sure
17:10:44 <sbp> go watch buffy
17:11:11 <sbp> and where did aaronsw.com/log go to, eh? :-)
17:11:50 <kandinski> sbp, you are amazing
17:12:04 <kandinski> * kandinski also needs to start wrapping up for the day
17:12:08 <kandinski> cheers, all
17:12:23 <sbp> eek, it's an exodus! cheers, kandinski
17:12:36 <kandinski> wish I could stay
17:12:50 <kandinski> but this sucks up too much of my attention
17:12:53 <kandinski> bye again
17:13:00 <sbp> * sbp nods
17:13:05 <sbp> c'ya
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17:14:07 <AaronSw> actually, I'm on Ally McBeal now
17:16:09 <deltab> sounds uncomfortable
17:17:05 <sbp> * sbp wonders if it's possible to stifle a grin
17:17:17 <AaronSw> * AaronSw makes another note not to speak english around deltab
17:18:01 <sbp> though I was sorta imagining AaronSw doing lines of Ally McBeal at some nightclub, which was even more disturbing
17:18:41 <AaronSw> but more accurate
17:23:10 <redmonk> *** redmonk has changed the topic to: AaronSw: mainlining pop culture since, oh, sometime in the 80s
17:23:38 <sbp> * sbp reads http://www.aaronsw.com/school/2001/12/23/
17:23:50 <deltab> ah good, I wasn't the only one thinking that
17:24:05 <Morbus> * Morbus returns.
17:24:28 <sbp> heh, heh
17:24:34 <sbp> http://lfw.org/jminc/subversion/http://swartzfam.com/aaron/school/2001/12/23/
17:24:45 <sbp> argh. no supybot. but anyway, "Not Found"
17:26:15 <deltab> that reminds me: if I didn't know AaronSw was a Mac user, I would after reading the 2003-05-01 entry in http://www.aaronsw.com/log/
17:26:55 <sbp> hehe. "# When I get my own place, I'd like it to be sleek and clean. All my stuff would be out of sight, and extremely large blowups of letters from beautiful fonts would grace the walls. 12:13p"
17:27:24 <Morbus> too bad he hasn't maintened this.
17:27:47 <sbp> so he'd be more or less the opposite of any given student. but there's some equal and opposite there as well since you could say "woah, look at the mahungas on that 'B'!"
17:28:08 <jsled> hmm. I've been keeping a similar log for the last year and a half. With similar notation.
17:28:26 <sbp> yeah, but yours is bound to be boring as fuck compared to Aaron's
17:28:34 <jsled> true. true.
17:28:40 <sbp> WELCOME TO THE SELF-ESTEEM COUNCIL
17:28:44 <sbp> heheh. sorry
17:28:56 <sbp> we're all in the same boat, though
17:29:04 <jsled> Well, I am just a poor #joiito refugee...
17:29:07 <sbp> true
17:29:21 <sbp> how is #joiito these days, incidentally?
17:29:26 <jsled> retarded.
17:29:36 <sbp> ah, it's improving then?
17:29:40 <jsled> hah!
17:29:44 <sbp> :-)
17:29:52 <jsled> word.
17:30:34 <sbp> we oughtta drag tangra in here. that would be a laugh
17:30:55 <Morbus> heh!
17:30:56 <jsled> eh.
17:30:58 <Morbus> sbp++
17:31:17 <jsled> there's ~4 interesting people left in #joiito.
17:31:24 <Morbus> HEY!
17:31:27 <Morbus> * Morbus grumbles.
17:31:33 <jsled> 4 +/- 1...
17:31:37 <sbp> Morbus, jsled, kandinski, and Suw
17:31:40 <Morbus> woohoo, i'm an indeterminant!
17:32:53 <sbp> I think that if you broke it up into groups, almost all of the groups would be interesting. well, at the least, you'd get a lot more signal out of the groups compared to the source
17:33:14 <jsled> yeah.
17:33:15 <sbp> it just seems to be the juxtaposition of all of the people that fucks it up so badly
17:33:19 <Morbus> * Morbus sighs, and goes off grumbling.
17:33:29 <sbp> Morbus. come back. grumble at us, not behind us!
17:34:01 <sbp> you can call me an idiot. I won't cry much
17:34:56 <Morbus> write some code.
17:35:09 <sbp> I. but. fine
17:35:43 <sbp> what do you want to call this thing?
17:35:52 <sbp> even a provisional name will be okay
17:36:01 <jsled> Bob.
17:36:47 <sbp> needs to have a fairly low googlecount
17:37:28 <sbp> hmm. tangra has been idle 452hrs 43mins 56secs, signed on Fri Apr 09 21:39:09
17:40:39 <Morbus> sbp: wordflay.
17:40:42 <Morbus> since that's what we'll be doing.
17:41:34 <Morbus> i like wordflay.
17:41:37 <sbp> marvellous. me too
17:41:46 <Morbus> excellent.
17:41:48 <Morbus> i strike again.
17:45:20 <sbp> argh
17:45:27 <Morbus> hmm?
17:45:35 <sbp> I get this from both eikeon and AaronSw's bots:
17:45:35 <sbp> File "/usr/lib/python2.3/asyncore.py", line 307, in connect
17:45:35 <sbp> err = self.socket.connect_ex(address)
17:45:35 <sbp> AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'connect_ex'
17:45:52 <Morbus> well, dude, duh, you forgot to predeclare your socket.
17:45:55 <Morbus> here, let me show you.
17:46:03 <Morbus> * Morbus runs off.
17:46:03 <deltab> or rather, create it
17:46:08 <eikeon> :)
17:46:12 <Morbus> heh, i was almost right? <G>
17:46:24 <deltab> self.socket == None
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17:47:14 <eikeon> sbp, are you calling start?
17:47:16 <supybot> *** supybot (~supybot@adsl-66-138-126-52.dsl.wcfltx.swbell.net) has joined #swhack
17:47:25 <sbp> yes, it's just the basic bot
17:47:26 <eikeon> * eikeon waves to supybot
17:47:36 <sbp> calling test() rather
17:47:38 <eikeon> Ah.
17:48:01 <eikeon> I probably did not change that when I moved create_socket
17:48:37 <Morbus> i was thinking about that when i saw your cvs commit.
17:48:43 <Morbus> hadn't had a chance to test it though.
17:48:48 <Morbus> * Morbus purses lips.
17:48:52 <eikeon> Hum... and I do not seem to have a test() in my version.
17:48:59 <eikeon> * eikeon needs to resync with cvs version
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17:49:34 <sbp> I am somewhat underawed by this beginning, but...
17:49:43 <sbp> at least it seems to be working now
17:50:26 <sbp> whoo! <IdleBot> sbp [24/46] has challenged Mathsol [17/334] in combat and won!
17:50:46 <Morbus> underawed?
17:51:07 <sbp> not awed enough
17:51:46 <eikeon> We'll have to hack on it more to kick it up a notch into awe land
17:53:17 <eikeon> * eikeon wanders off for a bit
17:53:18 <sbp> spam?
17:53:19 <wordflay> spam, spam, eggs, and spam!
17:53:26 <sbp> cheers eikeon#
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18:21:48 <sbp> @fight "le jerk" "la jerk"
18:21:53 <supybot> sbp: 'la jerk': 796000, 'le jerk': 33300
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18:26:42 <verbosus> <sbp> hey verbosus!
18:26:48 <verbosus> ’lo everyone!
18:27:35 <Morbus> shuddup.
18:39:40 <verbosus> :-/
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18:42:43 <Morbus> [[[
18:42:43 <Morbus> [14:41] <chillywilly> can I have multiple allow lines?
18:42:44 <Morbus> [14:41] <@Morbus> sure.
18:42:44 <Morbus> [14:42] <chillywilly> ok, now I got a ton of output
18:42:44 <Morbus> [14:42] <@Morbus> hug the output!
18:42:44 <Morbus> [14:42] <@Morbus> rub it all over your erect nipples!
18:42:46 <Morbus> [14:42] <fflash_> so lets's say i make www-data the owner with minimal rights
18:42:48 <Morbus> [14:42] <@Morbus> lOOove the output! be OOone with the output.
18:42:50 <Morbus> ]]]
18:43:13 <xover> Oh, just shut it.
18:45:18 <sbp> ooh, xover vs. Morbus showdown!
18:45:45 <Morbus> i shall use my patent "shuddup" attack!
18:45:47 <xover> <spellbot> "showdown" could be "slowdown" (in that case).
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18:48:46 <xover> See? It didn't even get off the ground before it petered out...
18:48:55 <xover> * xover forfeits by heading back to work...
19:00:20 <kandinski> *** kandinski is now known as kandinski_
19:19:46 <Morbus> sbp: you see the shortest wiki contest?
19:19:51 <Morbus> it's down to 222 with perl/shell
19:22:17 <sbp> no, it's down to 206 of PHP, JavaScript, and Bash
19:22:24 <sbp> but the idiots deleted it
19:22:51 <Morbus> ahahah.
19:22:53 <Morbus> that's hilarous.
19:22:56 <Morbus> why'd they delete it?
19:23:44 <sbp> because it can include HTML, whereas the rules say something that might be construed as saying that HTML isn't allowed
19:23:54 <sbp> whereas in fact that's nonsense, as Jim pointed out
19:24:01 <sbp> but they deleted it anyway because we beat them :-)
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19:25:54 <deltab> isn't allowed in what? your source code?
19:27:31 <hamm_> * hamm_ things
19:29:10 <sbp> isn't allowed in the text formatting -> output step
19:29:27 <sbp> i.e. if HTML is inputted, it must be escaped on the output
19:29:45 <sbp> but that's bollocks. the rules don't say that at all. they say there must be wiki formatting, and then leave wiki formatting undefined
19:29:53 <sbp> we took it, rather minimally, to mean WikiName linkage
19:42:50 <Morbus> LOL.
19:42:51 <Morbus> "Your e-mail address was submitted to join the Britney.com e-mail list."
19:43:06 <Morbus> SEAN! I'M ALREADY A MEMBER! ;)
19:43:45 <sbp> I don't know you
19:44:20 <Morbus> (yes he does! check the logs! roffle.
19:44:23 <Morbus> . .. )
19:45:21 <sbp> well at least call me "sbp" when you say things like that
19:45:25 <sbp> or "tiger", or whatever
19:45:43 <Morbus> ooh. tiger. very vintage peter parker/maryjane.
19:46:27 <Morbus> .google mary jane spiderman porn
19:46:28 <datum> mary jane spiderman porn: http://www.gifmaniacos.com/Spiderman/
19:46:28 <xena> mary jane spiderman porn: http://www.gifmaniacos.com/Spiderman/
19:46:33 <supybot> Title: Gifs Animados de Spiderman (at www.gifmaniacos.com)
19:47:35 <AaronSw> mainling?
19:48:10 <Morbus> http://www.hainesworld.com/lpmj.htm
19:48:13 <supybot> Title: HAINESWORLD SHOP - TOPLESS MARY JANE LASER PRINT (at www.hainesworld.com)
19:48:14 <Morbus> * Morbus sighs.
19:48:29 <AaronSw> I should start /log up again on the day i stopped last year
19:50:23 <AaronSw> what's wordflay do?
19:50:39 <Morbus> * Morbus hushes.
19:51:58 <deltab> AaronSw: something nasty to Microsoft Word?
19:52:29 <AaronSw> that'd be nice
19:52:38 <Morbus> there's already antiword.
19:52:43 <Morbus> which is handy.
19:52:44 <AaronSw> err, what's mainlining mean?
19:53:36 <AaronSw> I've started listening to music again. Send in your suggestions!
19:53:54 <Morbus> http://disobey.com/d/lists/albums ;)
19:53:56 <supybot> Title: Albums in MP3 Format (Tue Apr 27 22:30:08 2004) (at disobey.com)
19:54:25 <AaronSw> new york times corrections (high quality!): http://www.j-bradford-delong.net/movable_type/2004_archives/000704.html
19:54:25 <swhacker> posted 303
19:54:27 <supybot> Title: High-Quality Corrections: Archive Entry From Brad DeLong's Webjournal (at www.j-bradford-delong.net)
19:54:34 <AaronSw> 303::Yesterday, the Times identified a man on page A21 as a Ku Klux Klan member found guilty of murdering a black sharecropper. Actually, the man was Pete Coors, head of Coors Brewing Company, and a Republican candidate for the U.S. Senate. Coors is not in the Ku Klux Klan, and did not murder a black sharecropper. The Times regrets the error.
19:55:01 <deltab> v : inject into the vein; "She is mainlining heroin"
19:55:15 <deltab> hmm, different kind of line
19:56:01 <AaronSw> Buffy is pop culture? What's pop culture?
19:56:33 <kandinski_> *** kandinski_ is now known as kandinski
19:56:46 <redmonk> i was referring to your recent comment about being "on" Ally McBeal
19:56:49 <AaronSw> presumably 80s modifies pop culture and not aaronsw
19:56:52 <deltab> and what do you call pop culture that's more cult?
19:56:59 <kandinski> "Virtual Reality is like mainlining television" -- William Gibson
19:57:08 <kandinski> * kandinski goes again
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19:57:20 <redmonk> aaronsw: how old are you now?
19:57:22 <AaronSw> Wikipedia: "pop culture is the vernacular (people's) culture that prevails"
19:57:32 <AaronSw> 17
19:57:36 <AaronSw> Ally McBeal didn't really prevail
19:57:44 <AaronSw> i just mainline good culture
19:58:01 <Morbus> i had totally forgotten about that show until today.
19:58:04 <Morbus> * Morbus grumbles.
19:58:17 <AaronSw> starting in '95, i think
19:59:23 <deltab> Morbus: I'm reminded of it every time I visit a computer fair
19:59:30 <Morbus> oh?
19:59:37 <deltab> dancing baby cds still sell, apparently
20:00:12 <AaronSw> CD-ROMs?
20:00:21 <deltab> or perhaps not, and that's why they're always there
20:00:27 <deltab> yeah
20:00:50 <AaronSw> apparently I started watching it at the beginning of the best season (4), so I'll have to wait for it to wrap around before I understand what most viewers thought the show was like
20:01:00 <Morbus> dancing baby's. man alive.
20:01:05 <Morbus> those were before ally mcbeal though.
20:01:09 <Morbus> i have a bunch of 'em.
20:01:20 <Morbus> not the cd.s but just ancient movies.
20:01:31 <Morbus> some are probably listed on http://disobey.com/d/lists/video_files
20:01:32 <supybot> Title: Video Files I've Collected (at disobey.com)
20:02:20 <deltab> I think these are realtime ones that work with any music, and with a choice of costumes
20:02:30 <Morbus> oh lord.
20:02:35 <Morbus> *that's* scary.
20:02:45 <deltab> but I don't know, because I never look that closely at them :-)
20:03:07 <Morbus> i've gone to a few of our computer fairs around here. they're nothing more than fat people selling bad equipment.
20:03:10 <Morbus> they're not fun whatsoever.
20:07:17 <AaronSw> Note to self: don't become a tech reviewer if you hate books.
20:08:17 <Morbus> who did?
20:16:00 <sbp> someone hates books?
20:17:21 <AaronSw> i hate books
20:17:38 <Morbus> * Morbus waves distractedly.
20:18:28 <AaronSw> the only good thing that comes in a book is a screenplay
20:18:39 <AaronSw> but you can get those on the net now
20:19:23 <deltab> hey Morbus, why are there no screenplays in your books?
20:19:41 <Morbus> actually, i did a screenplay somewhere.
20:19:43 <Morbus> not in a book.
20:19:46 <Morbus> where the hell was that.
20:19:51 <Morbus> oh, right, the bbedit thing.
20:19:53 <Morbus> * Morbus hunts it down.
20:20:02 <Morbus> actually, it was more a play.
20:20:03 <AaronSw> ah, that was great
20:20:12 <sbp> I missed that
20:20:12 <Morbus> was it? i didn't know if it was.
20:20:13 <sbp> show me it
20:20:17 <Morbus> it was the first time i ever did something like it.
20:20:27 <Morbus> http://www.disobey.com/dnn/2003/05/index.shtml#001493
20:20:29 <supybot> Title: Disobey Nonsense Network -- Daily Cultural Enjoyment (at www.disobey.com)
20:20:31 <AaronSw> <sbp> when did you change your mind about books?
20:20:31 <AaronSw> <AaronSw> I've always felt this way
20:20:31 <AaronSw> <sbp> #swhack 2003-03-28: <AaronSw> man, I love books
20:21:51 <sbp> heheh
20:22:16 <AaronSw> it's so not fair when you use quotes from past mes against me
20:22:28 <AaronSw> it's not like i have any control over what they did!
20:22:57 <sbp> all I can find is:
20:22:58 <sbp> 2001-10-16.txt:00:13:26 <Morbus> books are good.
20:24:34 <AaronSw> aha! that's not me!
20:26:35 <sbp> well I notice that Morbus found out about #swhack very quickly indeed
20:26:42 <sbp> so it wouldn't be all that surprising
20:29:25 <AaronSw> O
20:29:33 <AaronSw> I'm also rating music now too in iTunes.
20:30:02 <AaronSw> power law appears to hold up
20:30:21 <AaronSw> altho a shortage of 2s
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20:36:16 <Morbus> sbp: "found out about #swhack"? what do you mean?
20:36:22 <Morbus> AaronSw: i only rate songs 4 and 5.
20:36:32 <Morbus> it's too much effort to spend rating songs i dislike.
20:36:35 <sbp> you came to Swhack before it was advertised, if you know what I mean
20:36:39 <sbp> .'. you are AaronSw
20:36:41 <Morbus> my implicit denial of their rating worth is enough for me.
20:36:51 <Morbus> sbp: no, but ok.
20:36:52 <Morbus> ;)
20:37:12 <Morbus> AaronSw: if you'd like, i'll iMix 300 4/5 songs i've rated.
20:37:19 <sbp> look, just accept the fact that you share identity with that which we call AaronSw and be done with it
20:37:48 <Morbus> well, we do share a bit of something.
20:37:51 <Morbus> considering he's my kid and all.
20:37:55 <Morbus> man, i've been here since 2001?
20:37:58 <Morbus> fuck ass, that's old.
20:38:23 <sbp> yeah. we've easily all known each other long enough on here to have a mass marriage
20:38:41 <Morbus> i think i should marry sbp
20:38:46 <Morbus> so he could move into my beautiful country
20:38:48 <Morbus> i love america!
20:38:56 <sbp> * sbp eyes deltab
20:38:58 <UnknownQ> i hate america!
20:39:16 <UnknownQ> * UnknownQ is young and full of angst
20:39:17 <Morbus> you know, if you could hear my inner voice, it would have been a better indication of yakov.
20:39:37 <sbp> * sbp looks up and down the userlist
20:39:48 <sbp> hmm, actually datum has almost always been here for me
20:40:04 <datum> Shucks.
20:40:31 <sbp> I'll have to ask xena if datum's a good lay, but apart from that it all seems on
21:01:59 <redmonk> ok, who wants the honor of showing me what a dork i am?
21:02:24 <redmonk> i have basic auth setup on a server at the root.
21:02:39 <redmonk> can a sub-dir be setup to be non-authenticated?
21:02:54 <Morbus> .htaccess in that dir that says "allow from all" should do it.
21:03:11 <Morbus> i think.
21:03:17 <jsled> hmm.
21:03:22 <jsled> it's not a deny/allow, but a Requires.
21:03:35 <Morbus> require any?
21:04:40 <AaronSw> phew, finally done. now i can stop using word
21:05:12 <AaronSw> is the music store back up yet?
21:05:17 <AaronSw> i couldn't get thru when i tried
21:05:21 <AaronSw> hm, still can't ping phobos
21:05:47 <Morbus> i won't know for 55 minutes.
21:06:26 <AaronSw> i really hate how 4.5 broke song sharing compat
21:06:28 <AaronSw> wtf did they change?
21:06:41 <AaronSw> i can't even browse old servers!
21:08:29 <AaronSw> my 5s:
21:08:29 <AaronSw> Everybody's Gotta Learn Sometimes - Beck - Eternal Sunshine fo the Spotless Mind 100
21:08:29 <AaronSw> New York Minute - Eagles - Hell Freezes Over 100
21:08:29 <AaronSw> Hallelujah - Jeff Buckley - Grace 100
21:08:29 <AaronSw> Central Services / The Office - Michael Kamen - Brazil 100
21:09:08 <Morbus> 5s?
21:09:36 <Morbus> it's too bad that you can't get next/prev outside the party shuffle.
21:09:39 <AaronSw> rated 5
21:09:42 <Morbus> i wouldn't mind a NP that had next/prev on it.
21:09:48 <AaronSw> NP?
21:09:54 <Morbus> but, i don't want to sit and refresh party shuffle every 70 minutes.
21:09:56 <Morbus> now playing.
21:10:17 <AaronSw> party shuffle refreshes automatically
21:10:26 <Morbus> it does?
21:10:27 <Morbus> ooOh.
21:10:37 <Morbus> i wonder if i can get next/prev in applescript.
21:10:39 <AaronSw> it automatically adds to keep how many you set
21:10:46 <Morbus> i played with it for about seven minutes at lunch ;)
21:10:51 <redmonk> grr. not working
21:12:58 <AaronSw> ooh, 4.5 now goes up to 5 machines. sweet
21:13:44 <Morbus> and 7 burns, i think.
21:13:56 <AaronSw> yeah, but i never burn
21:14:04 <sbp> <redmonk> i have basic auth setup on a server at the root.
21:14:04 <sbp> <redmonk> can a sub-dir be setup to be non-authenticated?
21:14:07 <sbp> can't be done
21:14:11 <sbp> many have tried, all have failed
21:14:16 <redmonk> ah
21:14:19 <redmonk> bummer
21:14:22 <redmonk> k thanks
21:14:23 <sbp> I asked this on #apache, experimented for ages, but completely failed
21:14:27 <sbp> rather, Apache completely failed me
21:15:06 <Morbus> sbp: i hesitate to believe that, but in my lack of testing, i'll chalk it up in my memory.
21:15:14 <Morbus> just remind me i did when i forget ;)
21:15:37 <sbp> noted
21:16:04 <AaronSw> sweet, iMix finds out the corresponding for-pay versions of your mp3s
21:16:34 <sbp> some keywords to make it easier for me to grep for this moment in the future: sbp Morbus Apache redmonk question answer sucks bad annoying irritating Morbus-concession yields sbp are winnar lots of love goodness totally flargin meant to be and all sorts of cuddlebug subroutines
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21:18:12 <Morbus> AaronSw: the store buttons in your track listings are useless though.
21:18:18 <sbp> whoo! Ash_
21:18:26 <Morbus> the three buttons for artist/album/track? absolutely useless.
21:18:30 <Ash_> well HELLO THEAR
21:18:37 <AaronSw> absolutely useless? why?
21:18:42 <sbp> ALWAYS SUCKING HUMPY UNDERSCORE
21:18:43 <Morbus> you click on one, say artist, hoping to find more about that artist, and instead, it searches based on the album and title.
21:18:46 <AaronSw> hm, of the 250 songs i have, 40 of them are in the store
21:18:51 <Ash_> *** Ash_ is now known as Ash
21:18:53 <AaronSw> oh, title - ick
21:19:00 <Morbus> so you always get the specific song you clicked on, not the artist, or album.
21:19:18 <Morbus> assuming they have it in the store. if they don't have it in the store, you're stuck modifying a search field to do a general search for the artist, etc.
21:19:21 <AaronSw> ok, a lot of these matches are just wrong
21:19:27 <Morbus> ridiculous.
21:22:00 <AaronSw> no, morbus, it does work if they actually have that artist
21:22:12 <Morbus> aaron: in my seven minutes, about 80% of the songs i clicked on failed in the store.
21:22:38 <AaronSw> no, i'm saying if you have a Dar Williams mp3 and you click the -> next to Dar Williams it goes to the Dar Williams page
21:22:41 <Morbus> AaronSw: when i tested, it always searched for artist+album+track, regardless of which button i clicked on.
21:22:47 <Morbus> AaronSw: oh, yeah, and that's fine.
21:22:54 <Morbus> oh, wait. no, that's not what i was seeing.
21:23:07 <Morbus> but, i only tested for seven minutes.
21:23:14 <Morbus> i'll let you know in 37 minutes ;)
21:23:21 <AaronSw> it does what you said only if the artist isn't in the store
21:24:02 <Morbus> ah, ok.
21:24:07 <Morbus> that'd make some sense then.
21:24:09 <AaronSw> i still can't believe they don't have the kill bill soundtrack
21:24:16 <Morbus> cos most of the things i tried failed miserably in the store.
21:24:24 <Morbus> which doesn't surprise me too much. i've an ecelectic taste.
21:24:28 <AaronSw> it makes only a little sense: if you don't have the artist, why search for the artist+something else?
21:24:30 <Morbus> i've got the second soundtrakc, but i've yet to listen to it.
21:24:52 <Morbus> AaronSw: yeah, exactly.
21:25:08 <Morbus> they probably suspected that maybe i spelt the artist wrong, or something.
21:25:14 <Morbus> but a better gui would be a prefilled list of checkboxes.
21:25:21 <Morbus> so i could check "yeah, search for this track".
21:25:29 <Morbus> as opposed to me deleting the track and album.
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21:27:45 <Morbus> have you fiddled with the print options junk?
21:27:48 <Morbus> i didn't have a chance too.
21:28:53 <Morbus> interesting. apparently, they have music videos as well as trailers.
21:28:57 <Morbus> i'd be interested in downloading full trailers.
21:29:02 <Morbus> er, videos.
21:29:06 <Morbus> bah. music videos.
21:29:37 <Morbus> "Browse from your Own Library
21:29:37 <Morbus>
21:29:37 <Morbus> And no record store in the mall lets you waltz in with albums you already own and request a bin full of all other music by that band only. Thats right, now you can just click a Quick Link in your personal library to get an instant display of tracks more like it in the iTunes Music Store."
21:29:46 <Morbus> "more like it" means "related" not "by the same artist".
21:29:50 <Morbus> * Morbus grumbles.
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21:35:33 <AaronSw> "more like it" is bad grammar
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21:35:55 <AaronSw> how can anything be more like something than itself?
21:37:49 <AaronSw> ok, need to go for a walk
21:39:19 <sbp> need?
21:39:32 <sbp> otherwise your computer will turn into some kind of Morbusian monster?
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21:47:06 <AaronSw> yes, and eat me
21:47:10 <AaronSw> and that'd be quite bad
21:47:33 <sbp> well I'd go for a walk quickly then, if you haven't already
21:48:09 <sbp> did you note that we've got Bjoern Hoehrmann on the channel now?
21:48:48 <AaronSw> no. is he the good bjoern or the evil one? i can never keep those two straight
21:49:03 <AaronSw> <deltab> are they dating each other?
21:49:24 <sbp> if this is some obscure Whedon reference...
21:49:49 <AaronSw> Ah, Bjorn Hansen is the other one
21:50:32 <sbp> Bjoern Hoehrmann is very definitely not evil
21:50:46 <sbp> well, as far as I know. I don't know what he gets up to at night
21:52:34 <AaronSw> ok, really going now
21:53:15 <sbp> I thought you'd already been and come back
21:53:19 <sbp> where are you walking to?
21:53:51 <sbp> if you're trying to get to your local shops, you have my sympathy
21:53:59 <sbp> (I've tried to do that walk! whee)
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21:58:55 <sbp> xover
21:59:02 <sbp> [imagine a sort of cap-tip]
21:59:10 <sbp> well, hat-tip
22:02:46 <xover> Sean.
22:03:22 <xover> [ Imagine... well, imagine whatever you like really. :-) ]
22:05:14 <xover> QuickPoll: Raise your hand if you think any non-geeks will ever use the new "Party Shuffle" feature in iTunes!
22:10:02 <sbp> if someone mentions Party Shuffling one more time (except for me, just then)...
22:11:27 <redmonk> Party Shuffling Party Shuffling Party Shuffling Party Shuffling Party Shuffling Party Shuffling Party Shuffling Party Shuffling Party Shuffling Party Shuffling Party Shuffling Party Shuffling Party Shuffling Party Shuffling Party Shuffling Party Shuffling Party Shuffling Party Shuffling Party Shuffling Party Shuffling Party Shuffling Party Shuffling !!!!!!!
22:12:25 <sbp> ...then I'm going to get Morbus to do that individual in the ass
22:12:58 <redmonk> * redmonk drops trow and loads his railgun. nyah nyah
22:13:18 <sbp> heheh
22:14:42 <redmonk> "just try it, big boy"
22:16:28 <sbp> turns out that Morbus isn't here anyway, so I guess you're safe
22:20:36 <redmonk> heh.
22:20:59 <redmonk> * redmonk re-buckles and prepares to leave
22:21:05 <redmonk> well, i'm outta here
22:21:13 <redmonk> time to accompany the wife to the dr.
22:21:18 <redmonk> see ya later tonight
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22:24:24 <AaronSw> you weren't even going to our local shops, you were going to the ultralocal shops, right?
22:25:18 <AaronSw> I raise my hand. it's a nice feature. although apparently nopbody here understands it
22:25:29 <AaronSw> it just needs to get better at selection
22:26:47 <xover> So you immediately understood what they meant by "upcoming" songs?
22:26:54 <AaronSw> yes
22:27:00 <AaronSw> maybe you need to speak american?
22:27:20 <AaronSw> yeah, those options aren't really necessary tho
22:27:31 <AaronSw> they should just build it into the scroll
22:27:39 <xover> And you think the average, non-geek, party-goer will browser the Library, right-click, and choose "Add to Party Shuffle"?
22:28:05 <AaronSw> no, they'll drag-and-drop if they need to do it
22:28:09 <AaronSw> but why would they need to?
22:28:47 <xover> Your question implies I still have no idea how that thing is supposed to work...
22:29:01 <AaronSw> yeah, that's the sense i'm getting from people
22:29:38 <AaronSw> * AaronSw checks the help to make sure he's not crazy
22:30:49 <sbp> the ultralocal shops were just about managable. but I did try to find the local shops too, and that was just silly
22:31:13 <sbp> whoops, silly me. of course, spellbot, I meant "ultrasonic"
22:31:14 <q8uv> *** q8uv is now known as d8uv_here
22:31:23 <xover> No, according to the Help it works exactly as I thought it did.
22:31:27 <sbp> * sbp wonders if d8uv is here
22:31:59 <d8uv_here> *** d8uv_here is now known as d8uv_duh
22:32:04 <AaronSw> so you think people will set up a terminal at parties and let random people select what songs are played next?
22:32:18 <AaronSw> I guess that's somewhat plausible
22:32:23 <xover> That would be the obvious use for it, yes.
22:32:26 <d8uv_duh> AaronSw: That would be awesome.
22:32:32 <sbp> * sbp wonders if d8uv is trying to tell me something
22:33:05 <AaronSw> i think a sort of locked kiosk mode would be better for that
22:33:07 <d8uv_duh> *** d8uv_duh is now known as d8uv_yousmell
22:33:17 <xover> Except, unless it's easier to add it to the shuffle than to just double-click and provide instant gratification...
22:33:17 <AaronSw> a locked kiosk mode from apple would be cool
22:34:06 <AaronSw> the double-click action you'd want for the kiosk mode would be "add this before any randomly selected songs"
22:35:20 <AaronSw> i guess you could just set upcoming to 0
22:35:39 <xover> You're racing ahead Aaron; I'm still on trying to figure out what the current feature, as implemented, is good for. :-)
22:36:05 <AaronSw> i presumed it was to be used for normal work-listening
22:36:22 <AaronSw> that is, play a bunch of decent songs for me while i work
22:36:22 <xover> Yes, apparently it's just a fancily named random playlist.
22:36:36 <AaronSw> ah, i guess party implies party
22:36:40 <AaronSw> hadn't thought of that
22:36:51 <xover> Heh! You need to get out more! :-)
22:37:19 <xover> There's also a lot of spiel about DJ-ing and such...
22:37:33 <AaronSw> on the website it endorses your view
22:37:40 <AaronSw> "You or a guest can add songs to the mix at any time."
22:38:19 <d8uv_yousmell> sbp: I got your e-mail.
22:38:57 <xover> BTW, anyone know what exactly the new encoding is?
22:39:23 <xover> Is it as patent-encumbered as mp3? Use-restricted?
22:39:24 <AaronSw> Apple Lossless(TM)!
22:39:35 <d8uv_yousmell> The reason it bounced is because DNS is stupid
22:40:07 <xover> Yes, the "Lossless" bit had me excited about the possibility of real long-term storage.
22:40:46 <xover> And if it's sufficiently open that I can (eventually) get a player for Linux and `doze, this would quickly become my format of choice.
22:41:31 <AaronSw> it doesn't appear to be documented
22:41:46 <AaronSw> unless it's just flaac or something
22:41:58 <d8uv_yousmell> Lossless encoders are overrated.
22:42:26 <jsled> If I can't hear it, I don't want it!
22:42:29 <xover> d8uv_yousmell: EXPN?
22:43:34 <d8uv_yousmell> EXPN?
22:43:42 <AaronSw> 250-d8uv d8uv_duh
22:43:48 <AaronSw> 250-d8uv d8uv
22:43:54 <AaronSw> 250-d8uv d8uv_yousmell
22:44:05 <xover> EXPlaiN or EXPaNd, depending on context.
22:44:16 <AaronSw> * AaronSw watches his smtp joke fall flat
22:44:18 <d8uv_yousmell> Ah. Just got it.
22:45:04 <d8uv_yousmell> Yeah, I didn't realize it was an abreviation. I'm slow.
22:45:31 <AaronSw> xover, why do you want to waste disk space with things you can't hear?
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22:45:51 <AaronSw> well, at least you're not sending them over the internet, so you're not completely crazy
22:45:52 <xover> Have you ever tried to reencode a JPEG?
22:46:06 <AaronSw> no, but i've reencoded an mp3 and it sounds fine
22:46:11 <d8uv_yousmell> Yeah.
22:46:18 <AaronSw> zooko has an A-B test from mp3tooff
22:46:20 <AaronSw> err ogg
22:46:37 <d8uv_yousmell> I remember re-encoding MP3s to Q-1 OGGs for sbp.
22:46:51 <d8uv_yousmell> And they sounded almost as good as the original.
22:46:58 <sbp> don't forget to welcome the new guest
22:47:00 <AaronSw> http://www.zooko.com/log-2004.html#d2004-03-13 http://www.zooko.com/log-2004.html#d2004-03-17
22:47:02 <supybot> Title: zooko current events (at www.zooko.com)
22:47:04 <sbp> and give him or her the standard blurb
22:47:12 <AaronSw> welcome therror404; this channel is logged
22:47:16 <d8uv_yousmell> I was just about to get on it.
22:47:21 <sbp> oh come on, that's a bit terse
22:47:26 <xover> "almost as good". I rest my case...
22:47:27 <sbp> you've got to make them feel welcome!
22:47:31 <AaronSw> oh, and don't tell netflix you like my-so-called life
22:47:35 <sbp> they might be a valuable addition to the channel
22:48:00 <AaronSw> "I'm beginning to think that the version that has been re-encoded from mp3 to worst-possible-quality-ogg sounds better than the original mp3 version."
22:48:03 <d8uv_yousmell> Welcome to #swhack, therror404! I hope you are having a fantastic day in your wonderous life.
22:49:13 <xover> Oh, and BTW, I don't want to _play_ a lossless format; I want to _store_ in a lossless format.
22:49:43 <AaronSw> i guess that's reasonable
22:49:53 <AaronSw> i mean, you probably have the diskspace
22:50:10 <d8uv_yousmell> Yeah. If you have the diskspace, go for it.
22:50:40 <d8uv_yousmell> But I usually play from the place I store from too.
22:51:09 <xover> I want to get to the point where I can rip a CD, and then throw the physical media away.
22:52:27 <xover> Which is also why I probably never will buy anything from the iTunes Music Store; ...
22:53:22 <xover> ... it may have favourable use-restrictions, but it still won't let my grandchildren listen to my collection of by-then oldies.
22:53:23 <d8uv_yousmell> xover: I basically do the same thing, only I don't intentionally throw anything away.
22:53:35 <d8uv_yousmell> xover: Buy, burn, rip.
22:53:48 <jsled> basement += CD
22:54:54 <xover> AAC -> CDA -> mp3/AAC is two lossy encodings before the "digital" file gets to disk.
22:55:51 <d8uv_yousmell> Or you can do the "right" thing and buy, trash, then dl it from P2P
22:56:11 <d8uv_yousmell> But I've heard the results from that, and they sound fine.
22:56:44 <xover> My experiements with CDA -> mp3 -> CDA didn't sound particularly good.
22:56:49 <AaronSw> CDA?
22:56:54 <xover> CD Audio.
22:56:55 <AaronSw> playfair decrypts fine
22:56:59 <deltab> CDDA
22:57:01 <AaronSw> just use playfair
22:57:02 <d8uv_yousmell> All psychoacoustic models work similar enough so quality isn't shot down significantly.
22:57:04 <AaronSw> CDDB
22:57:08 <xover> deltab: Thanks!
22:58:17 <xover> d8uv_yousmell: Cite?
22:58:21 <d8uv_yousmell> (BTW, My plan for long-time archival of musics is rippage on Vorbis, Stereo, Quality 6)
22:58:38 <d8uv_yousmell> xover: Just my experience.
22:59:22 <xover> This is contrary with my experience in every other lossy encoding scheme.
22:59:50 <xover> (or contrary _to_, possibly?)
23:00:16 <d8uv_yousmell> I think contrary to,
23:00:25 <xover> Thanks.
23:01:03 <d8uv_yousmell> I can't hear very well, plus I'm very liberal in my use of "sounds fine"
23:01:06 <AaronSw> itunes should have an option to play songs at 2x or something
23:01:27 <d8uv_yousmell> 2x what, speed?
23:01:51 <deltab> 2 times volume!
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23:04:12 <d8uv_yousmell> I hardly ever have that problem. I volume normalize everything coming in.
23:06:33 <deltab> 2 times quality
23:07:30 <d8uv_yousmell> 2 times the metadata!
23:10:41 <deltab> sbp: did you try "Satisfy any"?
23:13:35 <AaronSw> 2x speed
23:14:12 <deltab> 2¼ price
23:14:33 <deltab> hmm, why doesn't it?
23:16:18 <AaronSw> quicktime lets you play at whatever decimal speed you like
23:16:20 <AaronSw> it's quite nice
23:16:33 <AaronSw> anyone here have an OCLC Connexion account?
23:16:41 <AaronSw> or a WebDewey account?
23:21:33 <d8uv_yousmell> Courtney Love Does The Math (Wonderful stuff): http://dir.salon.com/tech/feature/2000/06/14/love/index.html?pn=1
23:21:34 <swhacker> posted 304
23:24:17 <AaronSw> so, let's put it to swhack: DDC or LCCN?
23:24:27 <AaronSw> please vote now
23:24:41 <d8uv_yousmell> @google fight DDC LCNN
23:24:46 <supybot> d8uv_yousmell: 'DDC': 355000, 'LCNN': 165
23:24:52 <deltab> DDC
23:25:06 <d8uv_yousmell> DDC it seems.
23:25:40 <deltab> @google fight DDC LCCN
23:25:43 <supybot> deltab: 'DDC': 355000, 'LCCN': 45000
23:26:46 <d8uv_yousmell> I like UDC the best though
23:31:24 <AaronSw> UDC is pretty cool
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23:34:40 <xover> @google DDC
23:34:43 <supybot> xover: Search took 0.615304 seconds: Dewey services [OCLC - Cataloging and Metadata]: <http://www.oclc.org/dewey/>; Data Device Corporation: Supplier of MIL-STD-1553 Data Bus ...: <http://www.ddc-web.com/>; DDC -I, software tools for embedded development, RTOS, compilers ...: <http://www.ddci.com/>
23:35:04 <xover> @google LCCN
23:35:06 <supybot> xover: Search took 0.305905 seconds: LC Cataloging Newsline: <http://www.loc.gov/catdir/lccn/lccn.html>; Library of Congress Control Number: <http://www.loc.gov/marc/lccn.html>; LCCN home: <http://www.cs.technion.ac.il/Labs/Lccn/>
23:35:25 <d8uv_yousmell> xover: They're http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Library_classification
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23:37:08 <xover> @google ddcprobe
23:37:11 <supybot> xover: Search took 0.391913 seconds: distrib/install/anaconda/ ddcprobe /: <http://cvs.seul.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb-1.80.cgi/distrib/install/anaconda/ddcprobe/>; CVS log for distrib/install/anaconda/ ddcprobe /README: <http://cvs.seul.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb-1.80.cgi/distrib/install/anaconda/ddcprobe/README>; ddcprobe (probe monitor hardware) for BSD? - news.gw.com: (1 more message)
23:37:52 <xover> I've been fucking around with Linux at too low a level for too long...
23:38:31 <xover> When you're become intimately familiar with the use of ddcprobe and lspci... *sigh*
23:38:58 <xover> At least I still have no idea what dmidecode does.
23:39:08 <Ash> @google a
23:39:09 <supybot> Ash: Search took 0.302567 seconds: yourDictionary.com • Home Page: <http://www.yourdictionary.com/>; Apple: <http://www.apple.com/>; A List Apart: <http://www.alistapart.com/>
23:39:14 <Ash> heh
23:39:15 <AaronSw> You know this won't end well: "In the 1980s, a pilot plant for mass deacidification using this process was constructed by NASA"
23:39:39 <xover> You could have stopped after the first comma. :-)
23:39:43 <AaronSw> and sure enough, it doesn't: "[...] confirmed by the subsequent fire that destroyed the plant."
23:39:45 <deltab> xover; um, ddcprobe and lspci *low*-level?
23:39:56 <xover> deltab: Everything is relative. :-)
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23:41:16 <sbp> <d8uv_yousmell> The reason it bounced is because DNS is stupid
23:41:18 <sbp> I see. hmm
23:42:04 <sbp> <deltab> sbp: did you try "Satisfy any"?
23:42:18 <sbp> hmm, no I didn't. I'll give that a go and let you know how I got on
23:42:38 <sbp> <xover> You could have stopped after the first comma. :-)
23:42:39 <sbp> hahaha
23:43:02 <AaronSw> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1980s doesn't mention it was a disaster
23:43:19 <AaronSw> Ghostbusters was the most important movie of the 1980s? eek
23:43:26 <xover> I guess you had to be there?
23:43:27 <AaronSw> oh, maybe it was the first important
23:43:31 <xover> * xover gd&r...
23:43:37 <deltab> counterexample: "In the 1980s, Aaron Swartz was born."
23:43:58 <xover> * xover admits defeat...
23:44:06 <AaronSw> gd&r?
23:44:18 <AaronSw> .acronym gd&r
23:44:19 <xena> GD&R: Grateful Dead (band) -/- Ground -/- Gadolinium -/- Gangster Disciples (Gang) -/- Gardner Denver, Inc. (pneumatic products company) -/- Gaseous Dielectric -/- General Delivery (postal) -/- General Discharge -/- General Dynamics -/- Georgia Dome (Atlanta, GA) -/- Geothermal Division -/- Giant Drop (amusement park ride)
23:44:19 <datum> Grin Duck & Run
23:44:30 <AaronSw> xena sucks
23:44:53 <deltab> that acronym feature especially
23:45:18 <deltab> and where's the urbandictionary lookup?
23:50:24 <sbp> and wikipedia page sumarization
23:50:32 <sbp> er, summarization
23:50:53 <AaronSw> it could just grab the first p
23:50:59 <AaronSw> that generally works
23:51:09 <AaronSw> oddly, tho, wikipedia blocks python scripts
