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01:01:54 <d8uv> Non-Sequitor Society of America
01:01:54 <d8uv> Motto: "We don't make much sense, but we do like pizza!"
01:13:27 <sbp> *** sbp has changed the topic to: I can gleek upon occasion.
01:16:40 <sbp> d8uv: Non-Sequitur
01:17:17 <Talliesin> Methinks, mistress, you should have little reason
01:17:17 <Talliesin> for that: and yet, to say the truth, reason and
01:17:17 <Talliesin> love keep little company together now-a-days; the
01:17:17 <Talliesin> more the pity that some honest neighbours will not
01:17:17 <Talliesin> make them friends. Nay, I can gleek upon occasion.
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01:21:21 <d8uv> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/3830521.stm
01:24:15 <sbp> ha, good piece
01:26:03 <sbp> d8uv: chump it, please?
01:26:41 <sbp> Talliesin: I was hoping you'd say the next line, but oh well :-)
01:27:16 <d8uv> The World's Most Untranslatable Word (via sbp via d8uv): http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/3830521.stm
01:27:16 <swhacker> posted 445
01:28:33 <sbp> heh, I can see the chain now. "via markp via Winer via kearney via swhackit via d8uv via sbp via d8uv"
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01:33:29 <sbp> quiet in here tonight
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01:35:45 <Talliesin> Here, this doesn't have to be [off] any more.
01:35:49 <sbp> okay
01:35:57 <Talliesin> The character was A-Acute.
01:36:11 <sbp> thanks
01:36:12 <Talliesin> Though in the context of Irish we'd call it A-Fada
01:36:16 <sbp> yeah
01:36:34 <sbp> does Irish have other diacritics?
01:37:22 <Talliesin> In the older orthography there is the séimhiú, a dot placed above consonants.
01:37:37 <Talliesin> In modern orthography we follow the consonant with a h
01:37:42 <sbp> oh right, I read about that. now it's... yeah
01:37:52 <sbp> precede, no?
01:38:18 <Talliesin> Sadhbh == Saḋḃ
01:38:29 <sbp> ah, no, following
01:38:50 <sbp> '("h" sometimes appears at beginning of a word before a vowel, or in words borrowed from English. It is pronounced the same as in English when used by itself before a vowel.)' - http://www.standingstones.com/gaelpron.html
01:38:55 <Talliesin> There are occassions were a h precedes a vowel, but then it's a letter proper.
01:39:06 <Talliesin> hehe, snap
01:39:09 <sbp> :-)
01:39:25 <sbp> any others in rare context?
01:39:41 <Talliesin> ?
01:40:07 <Talliesin> other h's?
01:40:12 <sbp> any other diacritics, sorry
01:40:30 <Talliesin> nope.
01:41:03 <sbp> then English has more, but used much less frequently
01:41:46 <Talliesin> Ah, well they're all loan words.
01:41:55 <sbp> nope
01:42:06 <sbp> acute and circumflex certainly
01:42:15 <sbp> but umlaut and grave are native
01:42:25 <sbp> example hoicked from the logs: "The naïve Sean asked the preëminent and learnèd Javier whether the paté at the fête was any good."
01:42:43 <sbp> dunno if you'll see those correctly. can utf-8ise if you'd like, but you can guess too
01:42:58 <Talliesin> paté and fête are borrowed
01:43:07 <sbp> hence <sbp> acute and circumflex certainly
01:44:07 <sbp> I'd like to be proven wrong on that though; if anyone knows of occasions where native English words have acute or circumflex, answers on a postcard...
01:44:21 <Talliesin> I think naïve is a loan word that's been naturalised but would be problematic to remove it's diacriticals, similarly façade and résumé.
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01:45:06 <sbp> hmm, good point. though I don't think I've seen facade often with the cedille. difficult to represent
01:45:12 <Talliesin> Not sure though.
01:45:25 <Talliesin> Personally I prefer coöperate to co-operate, but that's a rare form.
01:45:42 <sbp> 1,940 on Google
01:46:04 <sbp> "The diaeresis is also occasionally used on native English words for the above purposes (as in "coöperate", "reënact", and the surname "Brontë"), but this usage has become very rare since the 1940s. The New Yorker magazine is noted as one of the few sources that still spells "coöperate" with a diaeresis." - http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Diaeresis
01:46:21 <Talliesin> I similarly prefer æ and œ to either the modern British ae and oe or the horrible American e and, eh, e.
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01:47:07 <sbp> for circumflex, that site only says " In English, the circumflex is sometimes used on loanwords; for example, rôle.", so no native words I guess
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01:47:24 <sbp> sorry, utf-8 problem again; ligatures?
01:47:45 <Talliesin> hmm, I can see all your diacriticals perfectly.
01:48:11 <Talliesin> Yes ligatures.
01:48:14 <sbp> and the Swhack logs are being displayed for me in iso-8859-1 even though sent as utf-8. Firefox probably munges
02:17:23 <sbp> not capitalized (see clauses 3.18 and 3.32).
02:18:07 <sbp> d8uv, do you hear?
02:18:11 <sbp> I said not capitalized
02:31:01 <themaximus> heh.
02:33:56 <Talliesin> http://oss.software.ibm.com/icu/
02:35:03 <sbp> hmm
02:36:46 <sbp> for public logs:
02:36:50 <sbp> <Talliesin> Natural progreesion of all good tech:
02:36:50 <sbp> <Talliesin> 0 (optional) Big scary companies and/or Departments of Defense.
02:36:50 <sbp> <Talliesin> 1 Geeks
02:36:54 <sbp> <Talliesin> 2. Oooh, shiny thing
02:36:54 <sbp> <Talliesin> 3. People who think they're getting the new shiny thing, though the hard-core shiny-thing people are bored already.
02:36:54 <sbp> <Talliesin> 4. well-off students, people with pony-tails who wear black.
02:36:57 <sbp> <Talliesin> 5. tech journalists.
02:36:57 <sbp> <Talliesin> 6. Management types.
02:36:58 <sbp> <Talliesin> 7 less well-off students
02:37:00 <sbp> <Talliesin> 8 your mum.
02:37:02 <sbp> <Talliesin> 9 The average working-class person.
02:37:04 <sbp> <Talliesin> 10 your granny
02:37:06 <sbp> - #foaf
02:37:45 <Talliesin> 8 assumes that "you" of "your mum" is a geek.
02:37:54 <Talliesin> other mums may take a bit longer.
02:39:37 <Talliesin> * Talliesin wears black almost exclusively, but doesn't have a pony-tail.
02:40:50 <Talliesin> Black goes with everything, or at least with everything black.
02:41:23 <sbp> though white leather may be better
02:41:38 <Talliesin> If I can be constantly lit from below.
02:42:04 <Talliesin> No, I don't think I'll go for white; the one colour harder to keep clean than black.
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03:26:55 <sbp> quiet night tonight; in much contrast to the evening
03:28:49 <Talliesin> Go post on the RDF-IG list
03:29:11 <Talliesin> Say "I agree with Jon, he is entirely correct. It amazes me how anyone could think otherwise" or words to that effect :)
03:31:12 <Talliesin> Or of course you could post disagreeing with me, though I'm to busy to debate it here in realtime.
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03:43:58 <sbp> phenny: ping
03:43:58 <dmwaters> {global notice} Hi all! we seem to be experiencing some routing problems through most of our EU servers, I appologize for the problems, and thank you for using freenode!
03:43:58 <phenny> pong
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03:47:45 <Monty> howdy, mattis
03:48:24 <sbp> * sbp scrolls up, decides to check out www-rdf-interest
03:49:44 <Talliesin> * Talliesin absent-mindedly drinks water that's been sitting on his desk for at least 3 days.
03:49:48 <Talliesin> *eww*
03:49:49 <sbp> mildly contentious: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-rdf-interest/2004Jun/0180
03:49:53 <sbp> urgh
03:50:18 <sbp> why do you have water that's been sitting on your desk for three days, though? seems like that's just asking for trouble
03:50:27 <Talliesin> Not at all, It amazes me how anyone could think otherwise.
03:50:30 <Talliesin> ;)
03:50:43 <Talliesin> Yes, it is a big debate generally.
03:50:49 <sbp> the contentious part of the email is that if you use a URI as an XML namespace, the resource that that URI denotes is a "Namespace"
03:51:12 <Talliesin> What the hell else is it?
03:51:12 <sbp> at least it wasn't turps or something
03:51:24 <sbp> could be anything, pending range-of-HTTP
03:52:02 <sbp> feasibly anyway. namespaces being just unique names, not in the HTTP context
03:52:22 <Talliesin> I think the pure-REST view that URIs identify any sort or resource whatsoever wins if only by virtue of being "large" enough to "contain" the other views.
03:52:50 <xover> * xover is now known as Ash
03:52:50 <xover> * Ash burninates Namespaces, URIs, and the people who discuss them
03:52:50 <xover> * Ash is now known as xover
03:53:12 <sbp> * sbp changes the channel name to #xml-uri
03:55:56 <Talliesin> The thing is very little has to change to support the pure-REST view.
03:55:56 <Talliesin> Indeed nothing has to change.
03:55:56 <Talliesin> There are things that pure-REST would argue could be done better, but we can deal with what's there already.
03:55:56 <Talliesin> Our name is legion, for we are many.
03:55:56 <Talliesin> (metaphorically, in truth there are too few of us).
03:55:56 <Talliesin> After all, it's not like I say that you have to be able to dereference a namespace URI, just that if you can it should be something half-way sensible given that it is a namespace URI.
03:56:19 <Talliesin> Namespaces are just one case here anyway. The thread started more general.
03:56:53 <Talliesin> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-rdf-interest/2004Jun/0148.html
03:57:07 <xover> puREST
03:57:55 <Talliesin> I like that xover. I intende to steal it.
03:59:19 <xover> Steal away. :-)
03:59:28 <sbp> yes, the puREST case is good common sense
03:59:33 <sbp> in this case at least
04:00:34 <Talliesin> Most of the supposedly gnarly cases given to counter REST aren't really that gnarlly.
04:00:52 <Talliesin> They tend to be something that REST would consider less than ideal, but can still cope with.
04:01:28 <Talliesin> RESTafarians don't expect the entire online population to suddenly be able to recite RFC2616 verbattim within the next year or anything.
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04:02:07 <Talliesin> SOAP for instance says "this is the web, and this bit here is the bit using SOAP"
04:02:28 <Talliesin> REST says "this is the web, and this bit here does REST better than the other bit".
04:03:05 <xover> HIGGS UP (Give or take 4 GeV or so): http://golem.ph.utexas.edu/~distler/blog/archives/000380.html
04:03:05 <swhacker> posted 446
04:03:24 <Talliesin> Hence Metcalfe's Law says we win.
04:03:39 <Talliesin> Or as they say on boards.ie "Hence I win"
04:04:25 <Talliesin> Why not believe papers published in Nature?
04:04:47 <sbp> odd, xover found an interesting blog entry
04:04:53 <sbp> can't be many of those about
04:05:28 <Talliesin> Or are Americans trying to get their own back for the way US science is increasingly viewed the way USSR science was under Stalin?
04:05:40 <xover> And xover don't usually read too many blogs either... :-)
04:06:59 <Talliesin> Spooky when the Russian govt. advised scientists not to present papers in the US incase the contents got them arrested.
04:07:20 <Talliesin> "...the second time as farce" (all the funnier because that's a quote from Marx)
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04:24:43 <Talliesin> This shit just isn't going to be ready on time.
04:24:48 <Talliesin> I'm seriously pissed off.
04:24:51 <Talliesin> I'm going home.
04:25:16 <Talliesin> With luck someone will try to mug me and I can take it out on them without doing anything illegal or immoral.
04:25:32 <sbp> hope the rest of the evening fares better for you
04:25:54 <sbp> ...and that you get mugged, I suppose
04:26:00 <sbp> * sbp is slightly confused at this point
04:26:41 <Talliesin> I only want an attempted mugging.
04:26:56 <sbp> right. attemptedly mugged, sorry
04:27:15 <Talliesin> a successful one would just make me more pissed off.
04:27:19 <sbp> heh. I wonder how many muggings do go the other way? not all that many, I'd suppose--they probably prey on the obviously vulnerable
04:27:23 <sbp> yes
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04:57:05 <Monty> welcome, sbp
04:57:05 <Monty> hi d8uv, how ya doing?
04:57:05 <Monty> Speak of the devil, it's Talliesin!
04:57:05 <phenny> Monty: shh, don't let anyone know you're around!
04:57:12 <sbp> hehe
04:57:12 <Monty> I reckon axe + lemons = exhaust pipe :P
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05:01:41 <NickServ> If this is your nickname, type /msg NickServ IDENTIFY <password>
05:01:48 <NickServ> This nickname is owned by someone else
05:01:48 <NickServ> If this is your nickname, type /msg NickServ IDENTIFY <password>
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05:09:28 <sbp> * sbp sobs as Gmail chews up a long email
05:12:48 <sbp> it's possible that I clicked "discard" by accident trying to put the pointer in the box
05:13:03 <sbp> sigh. that was really not a good email to lose either; should've composed it in a text editor
05:18:24 <dmwaters> {global notice} Hi all! I'm very sorry for the continued trouble. We had to do some cleanup from our previous rerouting, and we...discovered that we have outgrown our smaller servers, and learned the hard way that we have to increase our requirements for memory and cpu... I thank you for your patience, and thank you for using freenode... Any further announcements for this will be given in wallops '/mode your_nick +w'
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06:34:52 <Monty> bah, it's bjoern_ again
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09:03:04 <d8uv> 419 Scammer gets scammed! (pineapple?): http://www.419eater.com/html/joe_eboh.htm
09:03:04 <swhacker> posted 447
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09:34:06 <d8uv> My friend Joey has life goals (realistic pine! simulator): http://www.houseofbugs.com/weblog/index.cgi?id=2634
09:34:06 <swhacker> posted 448
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10:48:37 <d8uv> phenny: TELL d8uv that it doesn't have a bug in it.
10:48:40 <d8uv> AHAH!
10:57:22 <phenny> I don't listen to people who SHOUT at me generally.
10:57:42 <Talliesin> lllllaaaaaaaaaaaaaaggggggggggggggggggggg
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11:57:33 <Talliesin> I say we develop http://www.ilrt.bris.ac.uk/discovery/chatlogs/rdfig/2004-06-23.html#T13-49-01 as a meme
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12:58:25 <Monty> yo sal!
12:58:46 <sal> too fast monty, too fast.
12:58:46 <Monty> What does that suggest to you ?
12:59:03 <sal> it suggests you respond only when i mention your name, monty.
12:59:04 <Monty> tarty slurping font!!!
12:59:11 <sal> thats about right.
13:11:14 <d8uv> sal: Knock knock
13:11:54 <sal> morning.
13:12:32 <d8uv> Morning indeed.
13:14:40 <d8uv> * d8uv is going to sleep.
13:14:46 <d8uv> Good Morning!
13:17:15 <Talliesin> mornin'
13:19:08 <sal> #swhack is so lovable.
13:19:26 <sal> *** sal has changed the topic to: #swhack is so lovable.
13:19:32 <Talliesin> * Talliesin tickles #swhack behind the ears
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13:22:12 <jsled> * jsled giggles like a school girl.
13:22:17 <jsled> * jsled shakes it like a Polaroid
13:22:57 <xover> * xover moons the lot of you
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13:24:01 <xover> * xover feels an irresistible urge to say «Speak of the devil…» :-)
13:27:52 <Talliesin> * Talliesin feels an iresistable urge to speak of the devil...
13:28:12 <dmwaters> {global notice} Hi all! Freenode is currently in need of main rotation leaf nodes, leaf nodes for australia, and hubs for the US, if you think you may be able to sponsor a server, please take a look at: 'http://www.freenode.net/hosting_ircd.shtml' Thank you for using freenode!
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13:46:47 <Morbus> heh
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14:08:34 <Monty> Thank goodness, redmonk is back!
14:08:36 <phenny> Be quiet, Monty.
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14:11:56 <Talliesin> heh, monty is avoiding being logged now.
14:12:01 <Monty> http://www.izzyhack.org/irconpsion.jpg Ewan are there is exactly about 15000 people all sumeer
14:17:39 <redmonk> swhack!
14:17:44 <redmonk> wazzup party p33ple
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16:24:46 <Talliesin> you cloud
16:24:50 <Talliesin> s/you/yo
16:24:54 <Talliesin> * Talliesin fails to be hip
16:28:13 <Cloud> What is up home chap
16:28:19 <Cloud> Did I get that right?
16:29:16 <Cloud> 2 more vBFriends installs :)
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17:03:58 <sal> home chap?
17:04:57 <Cloud> Dear me, it's apparently home boy
17:05:22 <Cloud> I am so disconnected from the modern 'slang'
17:06:21 <Morbus> g slice?
17:06:29 <Morbus> dude, did you hear you're starring in some movie this year?
17:06:44 <Morbus> advent children, i think. tell me more about that.
17:11:09 <Cloud> Yes, it's part of the Final Fantasy saga
17:11:25 <Cloud> Funnily enough, I created a forum to talk about it just yesterday
17:11:36 <Morbus> oh yeah?
17:11:38 <Cloud> (as a child of Square Enix on boards.jp)
17:11:40 <Morbus> ever heard of Gamegrene?
17:11:48 <Cloud> Nope, what's that?
17:11:52 <Morbus> and how do you feel about Front Mission 4? so far, I'm not impressed.
17:12:00 <Morbus> i'm rather anxious for star ocean in august though.
17:12:05 <Morbus> cloud: http://gamegrene.com/ my games site.
17:12:12 <Cloud> Truth be told, my name isn't to do with FF at all :/
17:12:13 <Morbus> its got a new version coming, with forums, next week.
17:12:16 <sal> ahem.
17:12:20 <Cloud> Although I commonly get questions about it
17:12:35 <Morbus> oh, yeah, and sal cleans the floors.
17:12:48 <sal> fucker.
17:12:53 <Morbus> )
17:13:06 <Morbus> i'm too lazy to type :, but not enough to explain i'm not.
17:13:50 <Cloud> Looks good Morbus - what forums software?
17:13:59 <Morbus> it'll actually be drupal.
17:14:06 <Morbus> which is more a cms then a forum sotware.
17:14:29 <Cloud> is that using openacs?
17:14:34 <Morbus> nope.
17:14:38 <Cloud> okay
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17:19:03 <Talliesin> swhack
17:19:06 <Talliesin> !
17:19:13 <Morbus> sup slut.
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17:39:09 <kandinski> hi all
17:39:18 <kandinski> can you do me a short favour?
17:39:21 <Morbus> sup slit
17:39:50 <kandinski> could you ping alfa.barrapunto.com, beta.barrapunto.com and gamma.barrapunto.com and tell me whether you think the response time is acceptable?
17:40:53 <Morbus> fine enough for me.
17:40:59 <Morbus> 110ms avg on all of em
17:42:00 <Morbus> I"M HOENRY. WNATN CYBER?! ?MSF MORBUS
17:42:25 <kandinski> and that is all right, I guess.
17:42:31 <kandinski> thanks Morbus
17:43:15 <Morbus> for comparison, my pings to yahoo! avg 82ms
17:48:11 <kandinski> good
17:48:16 <sal> and my Morbus pings come back all hairy and drugged up with ruffies.
17:48:24 <kandinski> that is an extra datum I can use
17:50:09 <kandinski> my ping to yahoo is 240ms, and to google is 180ms
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19:18:44 <jcowan> Swhack!
19:18:57 <Morbus> sup slat
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19:20:47 <jcowan> Stuck on Tao Te Ching #21, which is about the Tao being "huang" and "hu".
19:21:15 <jcowan> Something like cloudy and hazy, respectively. But I just can't bring myself to say that the Way of Simplicity is nebulous, or abstract, or vague, or any of that crap.
19:21:31 <jcowan> Clearly it's meant to be Yin Wisdom, but the supply of Yin Wisdom hackers is severely limited.
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19:24:42 <jcowan> What then is Yin Unix? I need, er, not enlightenment, just a bone tossed to the poetical dog.
19:27:49 <jcowan> 2 minutes to my second attempt to install Fedora Core 2.
19:30:36 <kandinski> good luck
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19:30:51 <kandinski> I will spit some rum on my elegua for you
19:32:48 <jcowan> Elegua, the god?
19:34:39 <jcowan> booting FC2
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19:36:50 <kandinski> yes, Elegua, Legba, or his metaphor, this little seed I have sitting on a corner of my house, with some food and a candle by its side
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19:47:41 <jsled> [[[
19:47:41 <jsled> MIAMI (Reuters) - A U.S. motorcyclist made the 5,632-mile trek from the northernmost road in Alaska to the southernmost tip of Florida in 100 hours and set a transcontinental record certified by the "Iron Butt Association" of bike enthusiasts.
19:47:51 <jsled> "I think I broke my big toe and dislocated my finger and elbow a little bit," said Eagan, 56, of Salt Lake City, Utah.
19:47:58 <jsled> ]]] - http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=573&e=6&u=/nm/life_biker_dc
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20:22:32 <Monty> yo sal!
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20:36:22 <jcowan> Visi-Calc rises from the dead (the DOS version still works on Windows XP): http://www.bricklin.com/history/vcexecutable.htm
20:36:22 <swhacker> posted 449
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20:48:45 <Monty> hi chris-p
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21:30:39 <kandinski> sbp, can your bots give html escaped entities for utf characters?
21:30:48 <kandinski> .cp ¡
21:30:51 <phenny> Sorry, no results found for '\xc2\xa1'.
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21:32:18 <jcowan> FC2 up and running, trying to download updates with yum.
21:34:23 <kandinski> good!
21:34:29 <kandinski> I am still in a mire
21:35:47 <jcowan> I had to install twice and screw around with VMware settings to get it working.
21:36:07 <jcowan> Looks like I'm getting a new kernel.
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21:58:10 <sbp> abysmal refereeing decision
21:58:14 <sbp> grr, etc.
21:58:22 <kandinski> jcowan, what exactly are you installing on?
21:58:34 <kandinski> sbp, does phenny return codes from characters?
21:58:53 <sbp> not yet, though that's a very good thing to add
21:59:04 <kandinski> I would like to go "¿" at her and have the escaped html sequence, etc, in return
21:59:11 <sbp> yeah
21:59:22 <kandinski> latin1, windows whatever, utf codepoint...
21:59:22 <sbp> little difficult to cram into .cp, so I might make a new command for it
21:59:26 <kandinski> .cp
21:59:28 <sbp> can you suggest a title, please?
21:59:30 <kandinski> call it .pc
21:59:33 <kandinski> heh
21:59:33 <sbp> heh, heh
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21:59:42 <sbp> this was great:
21:59:42 <sbp> <Monty> Thank goodness, redmonk is back!
21:59:42 <sbp> <phenny> Be quiet, Monty.
21:59:42 <sbp> <Monty> [off] An addition I might talk about it... Looked cool.
21:59:42 <Monty> Can you elaborate on that ?
21:59:45 <Monty> exhibitionism's watery pastry grows candles's salacious pipes.
21:59:47 <Monty> oops -- is smaller :-) Building it twice last one he's on our situation
21:59:51 <sbp> and this:
21:59:52 <sbp> <Morbus> oh, yeah, and sal cleans the floors.
22:00:15 <kandinski> "sal" is "salt" in "Spanish"
22:00:16 <sbp> so that'd be the podecoint function then, kandinski? or the pointcode?
22:00:21 <redmonk> hi ho
22:00:23 <kandinski> podecoint I like
22:00:29 <kandinski> pointcode is good too
22:00:32 <sbp> .gc podecoint
22:00:36 <kandinski> ah
22:00:37 <kandinski> AH
22:00:37 <phenny> no results found.
22:00:44 <kandinski> I met an English girl at Sonar
22:00:45 <sbp> hey there redmonk
22:00:54 <sbp> or redders as I feel compelled to call you
22:01:01 <sbp> kandinski: what's she doing there?
22:01:01 <redmonk> did i mention i got a promotion?.
22:01:04 <kandinski> she was interviewing for a company called Cunning Stunts
22:01:06 <sbp> odd behaviour
22:01:10 <sbp> ooh, well done redmonk!
22:01:14 <kandinski> she was attending Soanr, really
22:01:20 <kandinski> congrats, Redmonk
22:01:24 <redmonk> yeah - tech support to senior designer
22:01:30 <kandinski> w00t!
22:02:38 <redmonk> * redmonk does the happy dance
22:03:04 <sbp> odd 419 variation, presumably: "ALLUVIAL GOLD DUST/BAR FOR SALE"
22:03:43 <kandinski> Monty is writing 419 scam mails now?
22:03:45 <Monty> *finds that comes along?
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22:14:30 <pir> so, sbp, what about that diabolical refereeing decision that should have you more downcast than you are?
22:20:08 <sbp> than I appear. I am actually rather pissed about it
22:20:53 <sbp> England 1-1 Portugal, running out of time, goal from Sol Campbell--a perfectly good goal, nothing obviously bad about it, no offisde etc.--and it was disallowed
22:21:18 <pir> *ugh*. that sucks. what was the ostensible reason?
22:21:40 <sbp> took ages before we realised that it'd be disallowed because of John Terry's "push" on the goalkeeper. the push was him having his hand on the goalkeepers shoulder as he jumped up to head the ball. I don't think he even had any pressure on him
22:21:58 <sbp> s/keepers/keeper's/
22:22:21 <sbp> * sbp shrugs
22:22:52 <sbp> carried on being an exciting match and we lost marginally on penalties (around which there was also some controversy as the penalty spot was enmiring itself)
22:25:06 <pir> ah, the hand. yeah, i can sort of see that. it's also harder to judge such things from the field rather than the closeup of the camera.
22:28:36 <sbp> right, and the referee was a long way away. if anything, he should've looked to the linesma--who was closer and had a better view
22:28:44 <sbp> s/ma--/man--/
22:29:17 <pir> true. he didn't? that stinks.
22:30:03 <kandinski> I can't believe this
22:30:30 <kandinski> football nerdity
22:30:40 <kandinski> argh!
22:30:54 <kandinski> * kandinski commits some type of ritual suicide
22:30:58 <kandinski> * kandinski botches it badly
22:31:09 <pir> soccer.
22:31:13 <kandinski> but it is still better than watching the football
22:31:20 <kandinski> fútbol
22:31:27 <pir> football sucks. soccer doesn't. :)
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22:37:20 <sbp> kandinski: the tactics and the strategies are very interesting, and for the major tournaments--which only come around every couple of years--it's a chance to see the best players at the game all together producing some marvellous stuff. lots of entertainment too, of course
22:37:58 <sbp> I'd say normally it's a good way to relax, but not after the match we just had...
22:38:13 <pir> i generally like watching people doing their best. i don't actually care who wins in sports. i just like the accomplishments (and the strategy/tactics stuff at times).
22:38:43 <sbp> yep. it's really interesting to see people in any disciplined sport at the highest levels
22:39:52 <kandinski> well, I agree with that generally speaking
22:40:03 <kandinski> that is why I watch the highlights
22:40:15 <kandinski> all the goals, all the passes, etc
22:40:27 <kandinski> in one sitting, 15 minutes, no matter who wins or loses
22:40:30 <sbp> ay, though you miss some of the strategy there
22:40:46 <sbp> good for entertainment though
22:41:02 <kandinski> well, you only got so much time
22:41:17 <pir> and the relaxation in between. :) but that's ok. you don't _do_ relaxation, do you? *grin*.
22:46:40 <sbp> to gague the ten most popular Shakespeare plays, last night I did googlecounts for "play" Shakespeare
22:46:46 <sbp> I omitted some definite articles etc.
22:46:50 <sbp> results:
22:46:55 <sbp> "Hamlet": 602,000
22:46:56 <sbp> "Macbeth": 314,000
22:46:56 <sbp> "Romeo And Juliet": 283,000
22:46:56 <sbp> "Othello": 189,000
22:46:56 <sbp> "Julius Caesar": 163,000
22:46:59 <sbp> "King Lear": 153,000
22:47:00 <sbp> "The Tempest": 136,000
22:47:00 <sbp> "A Midsummer Night's Dream": 134,000
22:47:02 <sbp> "As You Like It": 122,000
22:47:04 <sbp> "Richard III": 108,000
22:50:34 <sbp> bar chart thingy:
22:50:35 <sbp> Hamlet | ............................................................
22:50:35 <sbp> Macbeth | ...............................
22:50:35 <sbp> Romeo And Juliet | ............................
22:50:40 <sbp> Othello | ...................
22:50:40 <sbp> Julius Caesar | ................
22:50:40 <sbp> King Lear | ...............
22:50:44 <sbp> The Tempest | ..............
22:50:44 <sbp> A Midsummer Night's Dream | .............
22:50:47 <sbp> As You Like It | ............
22:50:48 <sbp> Richard III | ..........
22:50:58 <sbp> one dot per 10,000 results
22:53:13 <pir> huh. interesting. i wouldn't have guessed at that.
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23:12:50 <kandinski> sbp, interested:
23:12:58 <kandinski> how did you do the bar chart?
23:13:03 <kandinski> python quickie?
23:23:00 <kandinski> er, bedtime in 8minutes
23:24:26 <MoiraA> nn kandinski
23:24:49 <kandinski> nn MA
23:30:26 <kandinski> time
23:30:27 <kandinski> bye
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