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00:48:59 <kandinski> loggy: pointer
00:48:59 <kandinski> See http://swhack.com/logs/2004-07-05#T00-48-59
00:49:42 <JibberJim> Hey kandinski
00:50:23 <cowan> Swhack!
00:50:57 <kandinski> jibberjim, cowan!
00:53:13 <cowan> So what's the Spanish idiotism^H^H^H^Hm of the day, k?
01:00:02 <cowan> 373C:
01:00:45 <cowan> 373::The jury (a sour dozen of stout fellows all of whom were curiously named after doyles) naturally disagreed jointly and severally, and the belligerent judge, disagreeing with the allied jurors' disagreement, went outside his jurisfiction altogether and ordered a garnishee attachment to the neutral firm.
01:03:09 <kandinski> err, stumped today
01:03:30 <kandinski> idiotism? as in particular peculiarity?
01:18:58 <cowan> The French for idiom, in the sense of irregular irregularity, is idiotisme.
01:20:08 <cowan> Which sounds like it has to do with "idiot" in English.
01:20:31 <cowan> All from Greek idiotes, private person, person viewed from a non-political viewpoint, but it became derogatory in English.
01:22:45 <deltab> also 'idiolect'
01:30:48 <cowan> yes.
01:31:15 <cowan> idiosyncratic, too.
01:35:36 <cowan> .look idio
01:35:41 <cowan> foo
01:36:10 <cowan> Nothing new in Solaris's dict/words.
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02:02:52 <Monty> But what does eikeon have to do with the price of fish?
02:02:54 <phenny> Hush there, Monty.
02:02:56 <Monty> um, helloworld.pkg not dying in development.
02:04:11 <JibberJim> phenny, don't taunt Monty like that
02:04:16 <Monty> if (counter-tenor == screenshot) { clavichord configures calibrated David Coulthard;}
02:04:36 <eikeon> Monty, Monty, Monty
02:04:36 <Monty> Right...
02:04:44 <eikeon> That's what I thought.
02:05:45 <d8uv> Heh
02:06:10 <eikeon> Monty, you're fishy, no?
02:06:10 <Monty> ye
02:06:26 <JibberJim> * JibberJim -> sleep
02:06:39 <eikeon> g'night
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02:29:37 <deltab> "I'd've written about it before but my laptop was full of wine"
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04:20:31 <bear.freenode.net> topic is: Swhack: to sing, to run, to dance, to play, to frolic!
04:20:31 <bear.freenode.net> Users on #swhack: loggy +AaronSw MoiraA Code_Poet xover +Monty Cloud_ themaximus_ CaptSolo kpreid JibberJim thelsdj +logsty +phenny hamm_ jsled deusx GabeW +wh4 jilldaw Jibbler +supybot tav|offline deltab d8uv xena mattis_ swhacker sbp
04:20:31 <NickServ> This nickname is owned by someone else
04:20:31 <NickServ> If this is your nickname, type /msg NickServ IDENTIFY <password>
04:20:35 <AaronSw> * AaronSw finishes rewriting history
04:20:37 <phenny> AaronSw: 29 Jun 10:19Z <d8uv> ask AaronSw if there is cause to wear foil helmets yet.
04:20:38 <AaronSw> minitru strikes again!
04:21:58 <AaronSw> went to a TMBG concert today, the fourt of july
04:22:15 <d8uv> You lucky bastard.
04:23:07 <AaronSw> they're travelling all across the USA. they'll come to your town. all you need is five comfortable beds and six uncomfortable ones!
04:24:11 <AaronSw> it's interesting to watch my download rate increase and decrease as i rotate my computer
04:24:41 <AaronSw> I saw TMBG today (Spine on the Hiway Tour!): http://tmbw.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?action=edit&id=Shows/2004-07-04
04:24:41 <swhacker> posted 474
04:27:09 <AaronSw> 474:In other words, I got to stand up for hours in the hot sun too watch some vague figures jump around on stage while overly loud music made my ears ring. Woo!
04:28:16 <AaronSw> 474:The good news is I'm <a href="http://tmbw.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Experimental_Film/Lyrics">apparently going to be in their experimental film</a>.
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05:42:29 <peachykeen> the forum is ded ?
05:42:54 <deltab> what forum?
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07:05:00 <kandinski> cowan: regarding 'idiotism", I had guessed you meant idiotism in the etymological sense
07:05:09 <kandinski> hence particular peculiarity
07:05:47 <kandinski> loggy:pointer
07:05:47 <kandinski> See http://swhack.com/logs/2004-07-05#T07-05-47
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09:59:48 <d8uv> AaronSw: http://www.davekopel.com/Terror/Fiftysix-Deceits-in-Fahrenheit-911.htm
10:01:37 <d8uv> Oh yeah. AaronSw is a wuss who needs "sleep"
10:02:01 <d8uv> phenny: ask AaronSw to read http://www.davekopel.com/Terror/Fiftysix-Deceits-in-Fahrenheit-911.htm
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10:18:28 <Talliesin> aw,
10:21:11 <Talliesin> Web Quality Certification (yes, the people talking about Web Quality use Word Documents for primary web content!): http://www.eiqa.com/docs/pr_web.doc
10:21:11 <swhacker> posted 475
10:21:38 <Talliesin> 475: Let's see:
10:22:08 <Talliesin> 475: 1. A Web Quality Cert where some of the things can be judged by a user before they see the quality logo.
10:22:27 <Talliesin> 475: 2. The people in charge of this are the sort of people who use Word documents as
10:22:27 <Talliesin> a primary web content-type.
10:22:39 <Talliesin> 475: 3. A minister opened it.
10:22:48 <Talliesin> 475: There's only one possible conclusion:
10:23:11 <Talliesin> 475: The dot-com days are back!
10:23:11 <Talliesin> Start buying shares, hiring unusual venues for PR events and
10:23:11 <Talliesin> increasing developer salaries while you can still beat the rush.
10:26:51 <Talliesin> oops
10:27:06 <Talliesin> 475: Start buying shares, hiring unusual venues for PR events and increasing developer salaries while you can still beat the rush.
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10:31:25 <Monty> it's deltab!
10:31:25 <Monty> Thank goodness, kpreid is back!
10:31:25 <phenny> Be quiet, Monty.
10:31:25 <Monty> <girlfriend> I suppose they want a probability that about?
10:31:55 <Talliesin> We need a bot that keeps track of the bot commands for us.
10:31:58 <phenny> Talliesin: 02 Jul 19:24Z <jcowan> tell Talliesin "Your Essentialist Explanation of English has now been added, making this the 9.5th edition."
10:35:32 <MoiraA> hello
10:35:34 <MoiraA> off to work
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11:53:43 <Monty> hi kpreid
11:53:43 <Monty> yo sbp!
11:53:43 <Monty> welcome, wh4
11:53:43 <Monty> yo deusx!
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11:57:09 <Monty> bah, it's loggy again
11:57:11 <Monty> it's xena!
11:57:26 <Talliesin> phenny, tell Monty to shut up.
11:57:27 <Monty> Please go on.
11:57:29 <phenny> I'll pass that on when monty is around.
11:57:31 <Monty> I reckon fingers + PC = honey?
11:57:31 <phenny> Monty: 11:57Z <Talliesin> tell Monty to shut up.
11:57:34 <Monty> Netscape's fallopian fences jumps on corpses's mutant Master System?
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12:08:19 <d8uv> [[[
12:08:19 <d8uv> [02:35] <MoiraA> hello
12:08:19 <d8uv> [02:35] <MoiraA> off to work
12:08:21 <d8uv> ]]]
12:08:24 <d8uv> ?
12:09:03 <d8uv> Oh, and BTW, I'm leaving for the moon now. Seeya in 8 hours!
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12:17:40 <Monty> But what does qopi_ have to do with the price of fish?
12:17:43 <phenny> Hush there, Monty.
12:17:43 <Monty> ohh
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12:22:22 <kandinski> swhack!
12:23:06 <Talliesin> hey, kandinski.
12:23:55 <kandinski> hey, T
12:26:23 <Talliesin> hey, K
12:27:48 <Talliesin> hey, J (reducing the name further by dropping the last bit of 'K', then zero-filling).
12:34:06 <kandinski> er?
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14:50:57 <Monty> howdy, eikeon
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15:05:43 <kandinski> camera
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15:06:15 <JibberJim> lights
15:07:24 <kandinski> silence on the set!
15:08:26 <JibberJim> fluffers out of the shot...
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15:10:38 <Moira|work> hello
15:11:49 <kandinski> hi, Moira, right on time, we are about to shoot, say hello to the rest of the cast and let's start
15:12:03 <Moira|work> I've got about 2 minutes :(
15:12:09 <Moira|work> till the end of my break
15:12:24 <Moira|work> btw, I got gmail working with Outlook
15:12:52 <Moira|work> what was that link to your walking article again?
15:13:00 <Moira|work> I've got it saved at home but not here
15:13:36 <JibberJim> cool Moira|work
15:14:10 <Moira|work> it's not solved anything, because yahoo won't work properly, it seems to "merge" with the gmail account
15:14:18 <JibberJim> - http://jibbering.com/blog/index.php?p=73
15:14:34 <Moira|work> I'll probably just go back to running PGtPM in the system tray and not use Outlook
15:15:08 <Moira|work> thx ... sorry, it was you doing the walking, wasn't it?
15:15:11 <Moira|work> njot kandinski
15:15:15 <Moira|work> *not
15:15:18 <JibberJim> er, yeah...
15:15:20 <Moira|work> I've put that in favourites
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15:16:20 <Moira|work> well ttyl
15:16:23 <Moira|work> back to work :(
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16:38:20 <kandinski> wh4 help
16:38:25 <kandinski> !help
16:38:25 <wh4> I'm a very experimental RDF-webservice-based bot by libby.miller@bristol.ac.uk, based on the pircbot api. More info at http://swordfish.rdfweb.org/discovery/2003/10/whwhwhwh/
16:38:26 <wh4> you can find pictures of people, places, things and taken on dates, e.g. !pic sean, some beer or !pic in bristol, on 2004-03 or combinations. !picpath <name1>, <name2> gives you codepiction paths between people. There's also: !airport <place>; !iata <iata code> !wn <wordnet term>; !phone <countryname>; !pic <name>; !chump <url>; !london <tube station>
16:38:36 <kandinski> !l2j candyman
16:38:58 <kandinski> !r2j candyman
16:39:12 <kandinski> !k2l カンディマン
16:39:18 <kandinski> grr
16:40:48 <Talliesin> !l2k whatever
16:40:49 <wh4> ウハテヹル
16:40:57 <Talliesin> !l2k Tree
16:40:58 <wh4> テレエ
16:41:25 <Talliesin> !l2k shonen knife
16:41:25 <wh4> ショネン クニフェ
16:41:36 <Talliesin> !l2k the 5-6-7-8s
16:41:36 <wh4> テヘ 5-6-7-8ス
16:42:23 <Talliesin> !l2k various other Japanese popular culture references that have made it out to Ireland
16:42:23 <wh4> ヷリオウス オテヘル ジャパネセ ポプラル クルテゥレ レフェレンセス テハテ ハヹ マデ イテ オウテ ト イレランデ
16:42:44 <kandinski> damn, I am so useless at tymes
16:42:49 <kandinski> times, even
16:42:56 <kandinski> !l2k candyman
16:42:57 <wh4> カンディマン
16:43:05 <Talliesin> !l2k manga
16:43:05 <wh4> マンガ
16:43:11 <kandinski> !l2h candyman
16:43:11 <wh4> かんでぃまん
16:43:15 <Talliesin> !l2k Panchira hentai
16:43:16 <wh4> パンチラ ヘンタイ
16:43:27 <kandinski> !l2h hamtaro
16:43:27 <wh4> はむたろ
16:43:46 <Talliesin> oops, just got our logs banned by Japanese porn-filters again.
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17:16:23 <kandinski> .g sylpheed
17:16:25 <phenny> sylpheed: http://sylpheed.good-day.net/
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17:36:59 <JibberJim> I'm sorry I haven't a Clue is such a good show!
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17:56:00 <lilo> [Global Notice] Hi all. It's 5 July, happy Silly Cloaks Day! News page up: http://freenode.net/news.shtml ! :)
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18:11:59 <lilo> [Global Notice] If you see a name you like, just look on http://freenode.net/news.shtml and follow the directions....in the interests of keeping things simple, just message me with the person you want to cloak, we're starting up slowly :)
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18:57:41 <Monty> hey jcowan
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19:03:58 <kandinski> hi jcowan_
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19:04:09 <kandinski> both of you, really
19:04:11 <kandinski> oops
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19:19:11 <whogben> hi
19:19:36 <jcowan_> Hi there.
19:20:16 <whogben> i am looking for someone who is interested in working on a game with me
19:20:19 <whogben> there is a deadline
19:20:23 <whogben> it is for a contest
19:20:26 <whogben> i will do all the coding
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19:20:33 <whogben> and some of the graphics
19:20:40 <whogben> but i need some more graphics support
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19:20:55 <kandinski> whogben, what type of game?
19:20:58 <whogben> 2D
19:21:02 <whogben> above view
19:21:05 <kandinski> that makes it easier
19:21:14 <whogben> you know all those secret military bases in james bond and other movies?
19:21:14 <kandinski> 3d is very technical
19:21:23 <whogben> the game is where you set u pthe security for one
19:21:28 <whogben> you place traps and defenses
19:21:31 <whogben> and then it gets attacked
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19:21:55 <whogben> 3D is not that echnical
19:22:07 <whogben> you just need to understand more complex trig and matrix math
19:22:17 <whogben> but 2d in this case because it is a simple game for a contest
19:22:22 <kandinski> I mean for an artist
19:22:28 <whogben> oh, haha, yes
19:22:37 <whogben> + everyone works in a idfferent format, its a nightmare
19:22:46 <whogben> but in 2D, a bitmap is a bitmap
19:22:47 <kandinski> tools need more technical (tool) skills
19:22:53 <whogben> yeah
19:22:56 <kandinski> you can do 2d with pen and paper and a scanner
19:22:59 <whogben> i do 3D animation recreationally
19:23:06 <kandinski> when push comes to blow
19:23:20 <whogben> yeah
19:23:24 <whogben> i am good at graphics
19:23:28 <whogben> but i do not have time to do them all
19:23:35 <whogben> so i am looking for another to help me
19:24:21 <JibberJim> * JibberJim has no graphics ability at all
19:25:01 <whogben> know where i could find graphics people?
19:25:08 <whogben> i don't even know what network to look in
19:25:37 <JibberJim> no, not really :-(
19:26:16 <whogben> haha, a shame
19:26:25 <whogben> anyone here know anyone who is handy with graphics and might be interested?
19:29:25 <whogben> I USE CAPSLOCK BECAUSE I WILL BECOME NOTICED, POPULAR AND GOOD IN BED
19:31:56 <kandinski> no, I am not good with graphics
19:32:17 <kandinski> but I will ask a friend's sons
19:32:26 <kandinski> they do not speak much English, though
19:32:30 <kandinski> that might be a problem
19:33:31 <whogben> depends, not good english or positivly bad english?
19:34:38 <kandinski> they are Spanish kids, in high school
19:34:47 <whogben> in spain?
19:34:54 <kandinski> I don't even know how much English
19:35:02 <kandinski> yes, Spaniards from Spain
19:35:13 <whogben> whoops, walked right into that one
19:35:23 <whogben> do they have a website? ar tehy good at graphics?
19:35:41 <kandinski> no, they don't have a website
19:35:49 <kandinski> they mostly draw stuff on grid paper
19:35:58 <kandinski> but they are the only ones I could think of
19:36:03 <whogben> well, i am not gona be online that long, so if its convenient i could give you my email adress to give to them
19:36:12 <kandinski> ok, I will ask them
19:36:20 <whogben> will@universalarts.com
19:36:24 <kandinski> taken
19:37:38 <whogben> thx
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19:46:32 <crschmidt> sbp: it's from bash.org
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19:47:10 <sbp> *** sbp has changed the topic to: <whogben> O NOE I DO NOT KNOW HOW TO USE TEH QUOTE MARKS
19:47:12 <crschmidt> http://bash.org/?350532
19:47:16 <crschmidt> heh
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20:24:39 <tav> .seen jillzilla
20:24:45 <phenny> jillzilla seen in #swhack saying: [ 1q1111 ] ~ 7 day(s) 19 hr(s) 4 min(s) 57 sec(s) ago
20:24:51 <tav> gah
20:24:57 <tav> where is my love when i need her
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20:31:10 <shen139> hi ppl
20:32:30 <JibberJim> hi shen139
20:34:31 <MoiraA> hello everyone
20:34:51 <JibberJim> Hi MoiraA
20:39:39 <kandinski> Hi MoiraA
20:39:53 <kandinski> I have started swimming again, following your example
20:39:58 <MoiraA> heh
20:40:02 <kandinski> I am only at 10 minutes daily, though
20:40:08 <MoiraA> I'll be swimming at 5.30 tomorrow morning, till 7.30 am
20:40:14 <kandinski> I am absofuckinglutely knackered after that
20:40:19 <kandinski> but feeling good, too
20:40:26 <MoiraA> it's good exercise
20:40:33 <kandinski> yep
20:40:34 <MoiraA> I try to do 5 sessions a week, doesn't always work out
20:40:38 <kandinski> and the lifeguard girl is cute
20:40:50 <kandinski> lifeguardess
20:40:55 <kandinski> lifegardtrix
20:41:04 <JibberJim> hehe
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20:42:02 <kandinski> er...
20:42:15 <kandinski> está barrapunto algo temperamental?
20:44:11 <kandinski> ah, damn, wrong window
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20:44:32 <kandinski> is the slashdot something temperamental?
20:44:38 <kandinski> that is the translationing
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20:50:35 <kandinski> hi libs
20:54:13 <libby> heya kandi
20:55:48 <kandinski> how's stuff?
20:56:34 <libby> ah, not bad ta
20:56:38 <libby> how's you?
20:56:47 <kandinski> good!
20:56:57 <kandinski> I am working a lot, and learning much
20:57:14 <kandinski> and my friend has a pool in his complex, so we get a couple of dips a day
20:57:19 <kandinski> peachy, really
20:57:58 <kandinski> I just installed cygwin on my tablet and am playing with this amazing font design program called Fontforge
20:58:11 <kandinski> and I have been invited to go on a boat
20:58:29 <kandinski> (racing yatch, more like it)
20:58:41 <kandinski> and the pool lifeguardtrix is quite cute
20:58:46 <kandinski> and today we had chicken
20:58:49 <kandinski> so really
20:59:03 <kandinski> what more could I ask for? EH?
20:59:05 <libby> heh, sounds great :)
20:59:11 <kandinski> yea
20:59:41 <kandinski> definitely not complaining -- today
20:59:57 <kandinski> I had a bout of the whines yesterday
21:00:00 <kandinski> but no more
21:00:25 <kandinski> btw, that is what attending the Hispalinux (Spanish LUG) elections does to you
21:00:34 <kandinski> 8000 members, 113 votes. Dismal affair
21:00:39 <kandinski> so it goes
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21:08:16 <lonur> allo
21:15:06 <NickServ> This nickname is owned by someone else
21:15:06 <NickServ> If this is your nickname, type /msg NickServ IDENTIFY <password>
21:15:17 <JibberJim> hi lonur
21:15:54 <lonur> hi Jim
21:16:11 <lonur> i was here a long time agowith nick kham
21:16:14 <kandinski> I sense a great disturbance in the force
21:16:51 <sbp> welcome back lonur/kham
21:17:00 <sbp> kandinski: writing you an email at the mo'
21:17:06 <sbp> will probably send it off in about half an hour or so
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21:17:13 <lonur> hello sbp, thx for the welcome back
21:17:18 <tav> sbp: writing you an email at the mo'
21:17:26 <sbp> you're welcome. and hi there Sconn!
21:17:31 <sbp> tav: ha! and hi there!
21:17:35 <sbp> tav:
21:17:37 <sbp> .seen jilldaw
21:17:37 <Sconn> hello sbp sir.
21:17:52 <sbp> five days' improvement
21:17:57 <tav> will probably send it off in about <whenever-google-group-approves-the-mass-subscription>
21:18:02 <JibberJim> so who of the shwackers are gonna be at foafcamp ?
21:18:09 <sbp> tav: ooh, now that sounds interesting
21:18:13 <Sconn> sbp: whats new? :)
21:18:14 <Sconn> heh
21:18:19 <sbp> JibberJim: I may possibly be there...
21:18:26 <tav> so who of the swhackers are gonna be at the european foocamp ?
21:18:35 <JibberJim> Hooray! sbp.
21:18:55 <sbp> I'd better get back to writing this email. damn you interesting folk, subverting and digressing me!
21:18:58 <tav> when and where is foafcamp ?
21:19:09 <kandinski> sbp: writing a short feature on free and Free games at the mo'
21:19:09 <crschmidt> aug 20ish
21:19:19 <tav> that's when foocamp is
21:19:21 <tav> damnit
21:19:25 <kandinski> ah, and merry 4th of July, USians!
21:19:26 <crschmidt> http://rdfweb.org/mt/foaflog/archives/2004/07/05/11.49.19/
21:19:32 <crschmidt> oops, sorry for wrap
21:19:34 <libby> no, it's just before fooeurope
21:19:38 <libby> in the same place
21:20:26 <libby> foafcamp is 19-20; foo starts the end of the next day, something like that
21:21:29 <tav> ooooh
21:23:15 <tav> well, if things go well, i'll be there then =)
21:23:30 <JibberJim> cool!
21:23:41 <libby> :)
21:24:02 <libby> tell people about it for us, please....
21:26:47 <tav> for you lover, anything... but promise me a dance
21:27:13 <libby> damn, I walked into that one ;)
21:27:18 <JibberJim> and put your name down on the wiki!
21:27:33 <JibberJim> ah you knew what you were doing libby... :-)
21:27:40 <libby> heh
21:27:59 <libby> yeah, add names to http://rdfweb.org/topic/FoafCampAttendees
21:28:12 <sbp> kandinski: sent
21:28:44 <tav> * tav sobs -- i don't have neither a homepage nor a foaf file
21:29:10 <tav> s/don't//
21:29:36 <libby> awwww
21:29:39 <libby> it's ok
21:29:42 <libby> name is good
21:30:28 <JibberJim> * JibberJim offers tav a homepage in the shiny-donkey domain...
21:30:55 <tav> hmz, i'm not allowed to edit the foafcampattendees page it says...
21:31:10 <tav> i'd prefer the shiny-monkey domain tbh
21:31:12 <libby> ah, sorry, you ahve to create a login, see FoafProject
21:31:23 <tav> allegiance to my monkey brethren and all that
21:31:38 <libby> [[
21:31:39 <libby> (1) click on 'User preferences' (top right of each page); (2) add your name and mail address; (3) save your profile. Then save the url (printed below the form) for logging in from other machines. Now you should be able to edit pages
21:31:40 <libby> ]]
21:32:00 <libby> it used to be complately open but we got a ton of chinese spam
21:32:34 <crschmidt> damn chinese spammers
21:32:45 <libby> damn them!!!
21:33:09 <JibberJim> shiny-monkey domain, I should get that too to compliment sd
21:36:03 <tav> ok, added me name!
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21:39:43 <tav> hmz, just realised that there's a 150 euro fine on entry ?
21:40:13 <tav> tell me that this doesn't apply to me ;p
21:40:23 <libby> :(
21:40:37 <libby> I'm sorry....we can;t make cheaper and have no sponsors
21:40:53 <libby> if lots of people come, we might be able to subsidize some
21:41:32 <libby> ideally would have been free...
21:41:51 <tav> the things that i do for love
21:48:24 <kandinski> .cp sh
21:48:28 <phenny> 000E: <control> ()
21:48:30 <phenny> 000F: <control> ()
21:48:33 <phenny> 002F: SOLIDUS (/) [...]
21:48:47 <kandinski> .cp fricative palatal unvoiced oral
21:48:49 <phenny> Sorry, no results found for 'fricative palatal unvoiced oral'.
21:48:51 <kandinski> heh
21:49:59 <kandinski> .cp long s
21:50:02 <phenny> 017F: LATIN SMALL LETTER LONG S (ſ)
21:50:06 <phenny> 0336: COMBINING LONG STROKE OVERLAY (̶)
21:50:08 <phenny> 0338: COMBINING LONG SOLIDUS OVERLAY (̸) [...]
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21:55:31 <Sconn> * Sconn yawns
21:55:51 <Sconn> hmm, to bad ash wasnt around to make fun of my nick!.
21:55:52 <Sconn> darn
21:55:59 <sbp> SCONE
21:56:07 <sbp> yeah, I miss him too...
21:56:11 <Sconn> * Sconn jumps with joy
21:56:23 <Sconn> feel much better now.. thanks for the attention sbp
21:56:32 <Sconn> heh
21:57:11 <Sconn> I see this channel has grew somewhat since I was last here
21:57:13 <Sconn> thats good.
21:57:16 <Sconn> (I think)
22:00:23 <sbp> it's fairly good
22:00:27 <sbp> actually, it kinda sucks
22:00:34 <sbp> I've not been reading Swhack all that much
22:00:48 <sbp> so I'm wondering about the old AaronSw adage: if I don't read every line, I BLAM it
22:00:53 <kandinski> фЮľё
22:01:04 <kandinski> BLAM?
22:01:22 <JibberJim> it sucks sbp that I came here?
22:01:26 <JibberJim> bye then...
22:01:26 <sbp> I've no idea what's even up with it. technically it's a golden age, but I really find myself unfulfilled by it; it's probably more a shift in my own interests that's at work
22:01:27 <JibberJim> *** JibberJim has quit ("Bye!")
22:01:36 <sbp> heh
22:01:42 <JibberJim> *** JibberJim (JimLey@dsl-217-155-143-67.zen.co.uk) has joined #swhack
22:01:48 <sbp> phenny: tell JibberJim that he's... back already
22:01:51 <phenny> I'll pass that on when jibberjim is around.
22:01:55 <sbp> heh, heh
22:02:42 <kandinski> * kandinski runs to JibberJim waving his hands
22:02:56 <kandinski> Careful, the punchline... it is booby-trapped!
22:03:13 <kandinski> s/Careful/Watch out!/
22:03:30 <JibberJim> not long enough to really make a statement?
22:03:32 <phenny> JibberJim: 22:01Z <sbp> tell JibberJim that he's... back already
22:04:55 <kandinski> .swhack action
22:04:58 <phenny> action: 2004-05-17 05:35:44 <d8uv> More specifically http://www.usemod.com/cgi-bin/mb.pl?action=browse&id=RelatedConferences&revision=5 -- http://swhack.com/logs/2004-05-17#T05-35-44
22:05:13 <kandinski> .swhack fluffers
22:05:16 <phenny> No results found for 'fluffers'
22:05:24 <sbp> meatball is a Google magnet!
22:06:10 <JibberJim> google hasn't hit todays logs yet!
22:06:20 <sbp> yeah, /LASTLOG it dude!
22:06:25 <MoiraA> hello sbp, JibberJim again
22:06:28 <AaronSw> *** AaronSw has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
22:06:30 <MoiraA> just left a comment on your article
22:07:04 <sbp> hey there Moira
22:07:05 <JibberJim> woohoo, I've never got a comment before
22:07:08 <kandinski> ah, my bad
22:07:45 <JibberJim> * JibberJim thanks MoiraA for his first ever comment.
22:07:59 <MoiraA> lol, you're welcome
22:08:09 <MoiraA> what event was that 30 miler?
22:08:37 <JibberJim> I'm not training for any marathon now - I did Apeldoorn midwinter marathon about a month after that in 4:12 - I'm thinking about aiming for apeldoorn again next Jan now.
22:08:47 <JibberJim> That was "winter Tanners" there's a summer tanners too.
22:09:02 <MoiraA> I've done 10 marathons in all, but don't do much running now
22:09:24 <MoiraA> I just swim and do some challenge walks, I got an achilles tendonitis injury which wouldn't go, so running became less of a pleasure
22:09:53 <JibberJim> * JibberJim has just done 1 :-(
22:09:57 <JibberJim> I'm so lazy
22:12:02 <MoiraA> that's one more than most people
22:12:28 <MoiraA> all of mine have been run in a time of 3.43 to 3.59 apart from one in Hamsterley forest which was more of a fell race than a normal marathon
22:13:38 <JibberJim> Cool, good times.
22:13:57 <JibberJim> I didn't train properly for mine, in fact wasn't even running it a month before.
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22:24:37 <sbp> hmm: Error: top has no properties
22:24:37 <sbp> Source File: http://gmail.google.com/gmail?[...]
22:24:37 <sbp> Line: 3
22:25:12 <sbp> ah, and now it're teh fixed
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22:27:06 <JibberJim> nah it's a timing bug sbp
22:28:08 <sbp> so not fixed? well something was preventing it from loading, so I thought it might be that
22:28:57 <JibberJim> it's just an intermittant bug.
22:29:08 <sbp> cheers
22:29:15 <JibberJim> * JibberJim was debugging a complex webapp's javascript over email today, it was horrible,
22:29:23 <JibberJim> I couldn't even run it, or see the bugs...
22:29:29 <sbp> heh!
22:29:39 <JibberJim> I had CVS access though.
22:29:50 <sbp> "you're not allowed to touch, look at, or interact with the code in any manner--but you MUST fix it"
22:30:12 <JibberJim> it wasn't even a script error, just nasty flickering for no apparent reason.
22:30:53 <sbp> multimap has that now. very annoying. hmm... it wasn't for multimap was it? :-)
22:31:15 <JibberJim> no it wasn't for multimap
22:31:29 <sbp> yeah. just found multimap to not be fixed
22:31:36 <sbp> go fix that for me too :-)
22:52:56 <kandinski> SNotD
22:53:25 <kandinski> one of the differences between Spanish and other languages is that we have two words for "to be"
22:53:28 <kandinski> "ser"
22:53:30 <kandinski> and
22:53:34 <kandinski> "estar"
22:53:42 <kandinski> I might have said it before
22:54:14 <sbp> hmm, nope. how many conjugations?
22:54:55 <kandinski> but today's SNotD is new insofar as it tells you how to translate "ser" and "estar" to English, when referring to "being essentially so", or "being contingently so"
23:00:07 <kandinski> so the first might be translated as "to be", but the second might be translated as "to look"
23:00:34 <kandinski> which, funnily enough, is in its turn translated, when meaning "to have the appearance of", as "parecer"
23:00:44 <kandinski> the third copulative verb: ser, estar, parecer
23:00:47 <sbp> hmm: "The Spanish language also has two words, but divided differently: "ser" for uses expressing permanence (whether existence or attributes) and "estar" primarily for temporary conditions, either of existence or attributes." - http://www.brainyencyclopedia.com/encyclopedia/b/be/be__verb_.html
23:01:06 <kandinski> ¿eres tonto?: are you a fool?
23:01:34 <kandinski> ¿estás tonto?: what is wrong with you? (today)
23:01:42 <sbp> quite nice really
23:01:48 <kandinski> pareces tonto: you seem like a fool
23:01:58 <kandinski> second SNotD:
23:02:14 <kandinski> estar is also for location
23:02:22 <kandinski> estoy en Madrid
23:02:31 <kandinski> I am in Madrid
23:02:35 <kandinski> soy de León
23:02:48 <kandinski> I am/come from León (I was born there)
23:03:56 <sbp> it's going to take me years to learn es through SNotDs you know :-)
23:04:30 <kandinski> and I remember having already given a SNotD on the passive/active distinction having been erased in Spanish
23:04:39 <kandinski> and being displaced to ser/estar
23:04:53 <kandinski> I am bored: estoy aburrido
23:04:59 <kandinski> I am boring: soy aburrido
23:05:16 <sbp> I vaguely remember that one
23:05:24 <kandinski> in both cases the Spanish phrase uses the passive participle
23:05:56 <kandinski> but the distinction between something boring you and you boring other people is done with ser/estar
23:06:05 <sbp> oh, give me a language without passive participles! :-)
23:06:28 <kandinski> apparenty, someone being boring is permanent, but someone being bored is merely temporary
23:06:53 <sbp> not sure if you saw that: http://swhack.com/logs/2004-06-25#T04-40-49
23:06:53 <kandinski> and on that note, my friends, ends tonight's triple-barreled SNotD!
23:07:11 <kandinski> yes
23:07:13 <kandinski> loved it
23:07:33 <kandinski> also Woody Allen's story in which a man goes inside Madame Bovary for entertainment
23:07:43 <kandinski> but he mistakenly enters a Spanish grammar book
23:07:44 <libby> *** libby has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
23:08:01 <kandinski> and ends up being followed by a hairy irregular verb, HAW HAW HAW
23:08:49 <kandinski> s/followed/chased/
23:09:15 <kandinski> passive participle: i was probably making that up
23:09:27 <sbp> 'When somebody asked Flaubert who was the model for his famous heroine he replied "That Bovary woman is myself!"' - Amazon reviewer
23:09:28 <kandinski> the gerund is supposed to be the active participle
23:09:43 <kandinski> Madame Bovary, c'est moi!
23:09:50 <sbp> didn't think the gerund was a participle at all
23:10:41 <sbp> merci pour l'originale
23:11:38 <kandinski> pas de problem
23:11:43 <kandinski> (e)?
23:11:55 <kandinski> and you will not learn by SNotDs
23:12:06 <kandinski> but you will whet your learning appetite
23:12:44 <sbp> well you never know
23:13:32 <sbp> e: minus the e
23:14:34 <sbp> originale is a primordial beverage, I suppose
23:26:18 <JibberJim> snotted ? as in covered in snot?
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23:26:27 <kandinski> SNotD
23:26:40 <kandinski> as in snotty'ed
23:26:51 <kandinski> you have been looked at through the nostrils
23:31:26 <sbp> how bizarre: [[[
23:31:32 <sbp> 0034 Some Brief Preliminary Notes lesbian porn on the Augmentation Research Center
23:31:32 <sbp> Clock. W.K. English. Feb-26-1970. (Format: TXT=2534 bytes) (Status:
23:31:32 <sbp> UNKNOWN)
23:31:37 <sbp> ]]] - http://web.archive.org/web/20030525160540/http://www.apache-stuff.com/rfc.html
23:33:19 <JibberJim> even the google cache has that...
23:34:24 <sbp> yes, but the Google cache doesn't persist
23:35:02 <sbp> that's how I found it. I was looking for an RFC on porn (really)
23:35:02 <JibberJim> seems to be only reference...
23:35:23 <JibberJim> honest governor.
23:35:24 <sbp> <sbp> the biggest irony is that there's no Porn RFC though
23:35:24 <sbp> <sbp> RFC 3675 is kinda close
23:35:29 <sbp> - #onebigsoup
23:35:47 <kandinski> .rfc 3675
23:35:50 <sbp> honest guv': exactly
23:35:53 <phenny> no such rfc found, but you might want to try looking at http://rfc.net/rfc3675.html
23:36:09 <kandinski> sbp, that a joke?
23:36:12 <sbp> nope
23:36:13 <JibberJim> sex considered dangerous - no shit sherlock...
23:36:20 <sbp> .xnea
23:36:22 <sbp> ...
23:36:23 <sbp> .xena
23:36:26 <phenny> I relay information to and from xena in #swhack
23:36:29 <phenny> Only the following commands will work:
23:36:32 <phenny> acronym, define, dns, email, foldoc, fortune, gc, google, help, imdb, jargon, nickometer, rfc, rot13, seen, spell, tavtime, time, translate
23:36:36 <phenny> This is an experimental feature. Comments to sbp. Thanks.
23:36:43 <JibberJim> does it suggest the .condom and the .abstinence countermeasurese?
23:36:50 <sbp> heh, heh
23:37:13 <sbp> http://example.donotuseclingfilm/
23:39:41 <kandinski> sbp, the joke is "no such found, but try.." and it being there, not the rfc itself
23:40:03 <sbp> hence the "nope" and the explanation of the xena relay
23:40:31 <kandinski> er, so when xena fails, phenny makes an url up and hopes it will work?
23:40:47 <JibberJim> phenny's a clever bot.
23:40:52 <sbp> no... she relays from xena
23:41:04 <sbp> .rfc 3675
23:41:05 <xena> no such rfc found, but you might want to try looking at http://rfc.net/rfc3675.html
23:41:10 <phenny> no such rfc found, but you might want to try looking at http://rfc.net/rfc3675.html
23:41:18 <JibberJim> but xena was too stupid to find the rfc....
23:41:30 <JibberJim> so they're both stupid!
23:41:33 <kandinski> erg, and she makes up the url herself
23:41:34 <sbp> her index must need updating
23:41:40 <kandinski> xena is guessing
23:41:50 <kandinski> grasping at straws
23:41:55 <sbp> well it's a pretty bloody good guess
23:41:56 <kandinski> a hit and miss bot
23:41:59 <kandinski> blind bot with a gun!
23:42:01 <sbp> @title http://rfc.net/rfc3675.html
23:42:01 <JibberJim> .rfc chicken
23:42:04 <supybot> RFC3675
23:42:07 <phenny> no results found.
23:42:16 <JibberJim> rats
23:42:20 <kandinski> yes, it was a good guess
23:42:26 <kandinski> .rfc 3
23:42:32 <phenny> Documentation conventions: http://rfc.net/rfc3.html
23:42:35 <kandinski> hey
23:42:43 <kandinski> .rfc 8888888
23:42:49 <phenny> invalid rfc number.
23:42:56 <JibberJim> .rfc Jim
23:43:02 <phenny> no results found.
23:43:10 <kandinski> .rfc 9999
23:43:14 <phenny> no such rfc found, but you might want to try looking at http://rfc.net/rfc9999.html
23:43:43 <crschmidt> .rfc 2324
23:43:45 <phenny> Hyper Text Coffee Pot Control Protocol (HTCPCP/1.0): http://rfc.net/rfc2324.html
23:43:45 <swhacker> posted 476
23:43:51 <crschmidt> * crschmidt <3 that one
23:44:06 <crschmidt> it hung on my dorm room door, found it via the TCP/IP Drinking game
23:45:02 <phenny> 476:I like this one.
23:45:36 <phenny> 476:crschmidt tricked me into chumping it, though.
23:48:44 <crschmidt> wait, what'd I do now?
23:48:55 <crschmidt> and why is phenny talking? he's scaring me :/
23:48:59 <sbp> she
23:49:03 <crschmidt> she.
23:49:04 <crschmidt> Right.
23:49:07 <crschmidt> replacement for xena.
23:49:14 <sbp> replacement for datum
23:49:24 <sbp> no, pi is not exactly 3
23:49:31 <sbp> whoops, got ahead of myself there
23:49:39 <crschmidt> hm.
23:49:40 <crschmidt> * crschmidt shrugs.
23:49:44 <JibberJim> that's right, everyone knows its 22/7
23:49:44 <crschmidt> Was datum a she?
23:49:47 <sbp> hehe, sorry
23:49:56 <sbp> actually, I'm not sure as to the gender of datum
23:49:59 <sbp> more of an it
23:50:08 <sbp> but phenny is definitely a she because of the etymology of her name
23:50:18 <sbp> same with xena
23:50:45 <kandinski> etymology of morphology?
23:50:59 <crschmidt> .ety morphology
23:51:01 <phenny> morphology: German Morphologie, from morph- + -logie -logy
23:51:35 <kandinski> because of the shape of the word, the way it looks, rather than from whence it is derived
23:52:28 <sbp> nope, from derivation
23:52:52 <sbp> Phenomic + Fenny (-> Fenchurch), roughly, with other connotations
23:54:12 <crschmidt> Ah.
23:54:22 <crschmidt> Good ole Fenny.
23:54:29 <sbp> Fenchurch
23:54:57 <sbp> use of the abbreviation once I'd thought of it was unavoidable
23:55:22 <kandinski> ah, right, didn't know that
23:55:29 <kandinski> I love the fenchurch name
23:59:17 <sbp> * sbp nods