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00:40:51 <jill> and kandinski and I fail to overlap again. O the shame.
00:40:54 <phenny> jill: 21 Jul 19:57Z <kandinski> tell jill that I am the bottom, she's the top
00:40:57 <phenny> jill: 21 Jul 21:09Z <kandinski> tell jill that I was connecting from the University class I was teaching, and xchat connected but I shut it down without noticing her wave; otherwise I would have cancelled the class and told the people assembled there about jillyzilly and my beautiful relationship with the loose cabal of borked minds called s.w.a.c.k.
00:41:02 <kandinski> no no no no
00:41:03 <Sunir> *** Sunir is now known as fascist
00:41:05 <kandinski> hey he he he
00:41:12 <kandinski> I should be asleep, but I am not
00:41:16 <kandinski> HA HA HA HA
00:41:19 <kandinski> I mean, hi
00:41:21 <kandinski> it was a typo
00:41:43 <kandinski> you kno, the keys are like, all close together and stuff
00:42:05 <kandinski> .g Cole Porter bottom top
00:42:08 <phenny> Cole Porter bottom top: http://www.stlyrics.com/lyrics/de-lovely/yourethetop.htm
00:42:34 <jill> * jill beams!
00:44:17 <fascist> *** fascist is now known as Sunir
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00:46:08 <kandinski> * kandinski beams back
00:46:28 <kandinski> *passersby are dazzled by the shining light
00:46:39 <kandinski> *cars crash, etc.
00:46:43 <kandinski> so what's up?
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00:47:26 <xover> Hmm. Mark Pilgrim is on a roll it seems...
00:48:58 <kandinski> why do you say that?
00:49:21 <kandinski> I am reading his Python book piecemeal, in anticipation of actually having some time to study it
00:50:30 <xover> Check the headlines on XML.com...
00:53:04 <jill> * jill reappears
00:53:16 <jill> I'm leaving for Tokyo in nine days
00:53:23 <jill> So I'll pack this weekend.
00:58:26 <kandinski> woot!
00:58:29 <kandinski> good for ya
00:58:34 <jill> :)
00:58:38 <kandinski> I am so long overdue for Tokio
00:58:39 <jill> my room is a wreck.
00:58:50 <kandinski> give 'em hell!
00:58:50 <jill> I want to rearrange it too, but that might be way too much to take on this weekend.
00:59:02 <kandinski> JILL, STOMP, STOMP!!!!
00:59:14 <kandinski> take photos of it
01:07:24 <jill> photos of what?
01:07:31 <jill> woo, brb, about 20 minyutes
01:07:34 <jill> or minutes
01:07:38 <jill> whichever comes first
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01:28:24 <kandinski> counting
01:28:36 <kandinski> photos of your room
01:28:45 <kandinski> photos of Tokio during/after the stomping
01:28:57 <kandinski> JILL: STOMP ALL OVER TOKIO!
01:29:08 <kandinski> NOW IT IS YOUR CHANCE
01:33:12 <kandinski> I am about to fold
01:33:20 <kandinski> I am going down in ten
01:34:03 <kandinski> * kandinski 's cerebellum sets eyelids to "droopy"
01:37:17 <kandinski> * kandinski starts to nod
01:37:28 <kandinski> *slowly...
01:38:39 <jill> hee
01:38:41 <jill> * jill waves
01:38:42 <jill> WAKE UP
01:42:05 <kandinski> I am here
01:42:20 <kandinski> so, will you stomp?
01:43:06 <jill> *** jill is now known as jillzilla
01:43:07 <jillzilla> ROWR
01:43:12 <jillzilla> * jillzilla stomps Tokyo
01:44:18 <deltab> yay!
01:44:24 <jillzilla> Whew! It's been a while!
01:44:34 <jillzilla> * jillzilla feels vigorous
01:47:18 <kandinski> * kandinski pats jillzilla on the head
01:47:25 <kandinski> GOOD 'ZILLA!
01:47:31 <kandinski> so, bedtome
01:47:32 <kandinski> bye
01:47:56 <kandinski> bye #swhack
01:50:25 <crschmidt> bye kandinski
01:58:26 <jillzilla> night kandinski
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03:35:31 <Monty> yo redmonk!
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03:50:40 <jorgekazaa> hi there
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03:58:38 <jorgekazaa> :-hi
04:01:07 <jorgekazaa> :-hola
04:01:27 <jorgekazaa> :-hi
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05:41:28 <sbp> whoo, a stomping!
05:41:29 <sbp> [02:43] <jillzilla> ROWR
05:41:29 <sbp> [02:43] * jillzilla stomps Tokyo
05:41:29 <sbp> [02:44] <deltab> yay!
06:17:26 <d8uv> Hello!
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08:28:49 <sbp> hey d8uv, kandinski
08:31:10 <sbp> *** sbp has changed the topic to: Yo no me llamo Javier!
08:31:25 <kandinski> blast
08:31:28 <sbp> heh, heh
08:31:30 <kandinski> you know, sbp
08:31:41 <kandinski> some day I will find what the b stands for
08:31:47 <sbp> nevvah!
08:31:52 <kandinski> then there will be a lot of gnashing of teeth
08:32:03 <kandinski> and I will also know where you live
08:32:07 <kandinski> camp outside your door
08:32:11 <sbp> Certain Members of This Channel know given an accidental pasting once upon a time
08:32:14 <kandinski> with a placard
08:32:40 <xover> So what's the going rate for sbp's middle initital and home address?
08:32:44 <sbp> pfft, as if I'd leave you to stay outside in the cold and rain if you came all the way to England just to visit me. I'd at least hand you an umbrella
08:33:05 <kandinski> I have an unmarked white van I use for all my stalkings
08:33:55 <sbp> * sbp publishes all those piccies Jim took of xover to inamidst.com
08:34:32 <xover> * xover thoroughly vetted Jim's camera before he left... :-)
08:36:16 <sbp> whoo, you missed the spycam
08:37:55 <kandinski> * bread, bread, bread bread bread, bread, bread bread bread...
08:38:24 <sbp> singing the Mission Impossible theme again?
08:38:36 <xover> * xover is reminded of something by the mention of sbp's home address...
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08:40:22 <kandinski> well, you mentioned the spycam
08:41:30 <sbp> uh oh
08:41:44 <sbp> * sbp moves house
08:41:52 <sbp> * sbp waves to libby too
08:42:14 <libby> moves house?
08:42:16 <xover> You're carrying the house with only one hand? Working out lately?
08:43:52 <sbp> libby: apropos of * xover is reminded of something by the mention of sbp's home address...
08:44:23 <sbp> xover: who was it that said "give me a lever long enough and a suitable fulcrum and I can move the world"?
08:44:54 <sbp> (it was Archimedes, paraphrase)
08:45:24 <xover> .w fulcrum
08:45:26 <phenny> fulcrum is defined as:-
08:45:30 <phenny> 1. the pivot about which a lever turns
08:49:23 <kandinski> .swhack etxeb*
08:49:25 <phenny> Sorry, this command has been discontinued.
08:54:30 <kandinski> personal SNotD:
08:54:38 <kandinski> Javier, my name, is derived from Basque
08:55:00 <kandinski> Etxebarría or etxeberría means "new house"
08:55:12 <kandinski> it is a common surname, most Basque surnames are toponyms
08:55:23 <kandinski> well, not "most", but "many many"
08:56:13 <kandinski> and the village of Javier, where Saint Francis of Javier, the Saint my father was named after, was from, is in Navarre close to the Basque country
08:57:39 <kandinski> if you remember that the /x/ sound used to be written with an x in Spanish too (till the 16th century, I believe, this is the reason Mexico and Texas are pronounced "meheecoh" and "teh-hahs" by Mexicans)
08:58:19 <kandinski> and that v and b both represent the bilabial /b/ (no labiodental /v/ in Spanish)
08:59:33 <kandinski> you have the /x - b - r/ pattern from "etxeberría" (which, incidentally, is pronounced "eh-cheh-beh-rree-ah")
08:59:45 <kandinski> the "ch" got velarized along the way
09:00:01 <kandinski> the /x/ there was a red herring, sorry
09:00:17 <kandinski> anyway, Javier the village is called that name for its castle
09:00:26 <kandinski> the etxe berri, or new house, of the name
09:00:41 <kandinski> so I have a non-proto-indo-european derived name
09:00:50 <kandinski> add my Zugaza surname to the mix
09:01:20 <kandinski> which is Basque as it can be, meaning "mixed forest"
09:02:10 <kandinski> (and is prononuced "thoogahthah" in Spanish, but "tsugahtsah" in Basque)
09:02:41 <sbp> I'm still unsure how etxe berri got to Javier. if etxeberria is /ehchehbehreeah/ and b->v and the eh- prefix was dropped, that still only gets you as far as /hcheh-veh-ree-a/
09:02:43 <kandinski> and you get me thinking about emigrating to Euskadi, learning Basque and wearing one of those big berets or "txapelas" all the time
09:02:51 <kandinski> hostia!
09:02:57 <kandinski> don't know how it got there
09:03:01 <kandinski> but it deed
09:03:15 <kandinski> the final a is an inflexion
09:03:20 <sbp> one of my favourite SNotDs (BNotD?) to date
09:03:37 <kandinski> you come from /tcheh-beh-rri/ really
09:03:48 <kandinski> dyphtongation and velarization
09:03:50 <sbp> ah
09:04:10 <kandinski> don't ask me why, because those would be rules of Basque evolution, not of Spanish, most probably
09:04:21 <kandinski> yes, it is very jcowanish, isn't it?
09:04:26 <sbp> rather
09:04:33 <kandinski> but I will ask next time I am in Bilbao
09:07:53 <d8uv> ---
09:08:17 <kandinski> and give you a followup
09:08:20 <kandinski> d8uv!!!!!!!!
09:08:25 <kandinski> * kandinski jumps up and down
09:08:57 <d8uv> waternkeybard
09:09:14 <kandinski> ys, that is vry bard
09:11:47 <d8uv> vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv
09:11:48 <d8uv> vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv
09:11:48 <d8uv> vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv--
09:11:57 <d8uv> Ack, sorry
09:12:34 <d8uv> Hmm... I guess I really hate v.
09:12:42 <d8uv> Hi kandinski!
09:12:49 <kandinski> did you type that, or paste it?
09:12:55 <kandinski> because if you were pasting it...
09:13:03 <kandinski> I think your ctrl key is not working
09:13:28 <xover> This is your brain… (…on Microsoft products): http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/site-comments/2004Jul/0037.html
09:13:28 <swhacker> posted 498
09:13:54 <xover> 498: (via Björn Höhrmann)
09:16:16 <d8uv> Today's line of Phenny's source:
09:16:19 <d8uv> [[[ def f_podecoint(m, origin, args, text, p=p): ]]]
09:26:43 <d8uv> * d8uv administers a bone transplant on the members of #swhack
09:27:25 <kandinski> boner transplant?
09:27:27 <kandinski> that painful?
09:29:01 <sbp> 498:Oh my goodness. Can anyone, er, garner any meaning therefrom?
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09:30:14 <sbp> 498::I am an A+ Certified Technician and have been for years.
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09:30:59 <sbp> 498:The moral of the story is probably to beware A+ Certified Technicians...
09:32:11 <sbp> 498:"NOW PLEASE TELL ME HOW TO REMOVE YOUR MOTHER FUCKING POP-UP VIOLATION FROM MY WEBSITE" - well, there are these things call tree files...
09:32:24 <sbp> 498D:"NOW PLEASE TELL ME HOW TO REMOVE YOUR MOTHER FUCKING POP-UP VIOLATION FROM MY WEBSITE" - well, there are these things called tree files...
09:41:32 <d8uv> Hmm, sound is broke.
09:41:36 <d8uv> Please hold
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09:51:58 <d8uv> Attention Houston, we got a holy fucking shit this can't be any good. Do you copy?
09:52:32 <kandinski> down for a coffee
09:52:34 <kandinski> brb
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09:52:54 <Talliesin> Oh Sweet Aradia, save us from the morons
09:53:42 <d8uv> Talliesin: :(
09:55:19 <Talliesin> You don't know whether to cry or laugh.
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10:00:35 <sbp> what's the problem d8uv?
10:01:21 <d8uv> I broke my stereo, but I fixed it again.
10:04:04 <sbp> doesn't sound like too bad a problem
10:04:41 <d8uv> It was for a second.
10:05:29 <d8uv> When it between fixed and unfixed, it was a gigantic problem.
10:05:50 <d8uv> And I'm not making any sense. I think Talliesin was right.
10:06:10 <Talliesin> Oh, I was right about something? What?
10:07:36 <d8uv> Oh, I thought you were mocking me.
10:09:49 <Talliesin> Oh no. I was talking about different morons
10:10:00 <Talliesin> hmm, I could have phrased that better :)
10:10:37 <Talliesin> I was talking about W3C Pop-Up Swearing Guy
10:11:05 <Talliesin> That's a good name, must try to inject the name "W3C Pop-Up Swearing Guy" into the meme.
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10:14:39 <Monty> lo libby_
10:19:19 <sbp> agreed
10:19:52 <sbp> the greatest thing about those emails is the other-worldly prose that they can produce
10:19:58 <kandinski> http://atomfilms.shockwave.com/af/content/this_land_af
10:20:04 <kandinski> fun
10:20:19 <sbp> O NOE! "You need the latest version of Macromedia Flash Player to view this film."
10:21:00 <kandinski> sorry
10:21:06 <kandinski> that is the only thing flash is good for
10:21:10 <kandinski> films
10:21:12 <sbp> annoying me?
10:21:13 <sbp> oh
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10:21:41 <kandinski> heh
10:21:51 <sbp> having no Flash and no Java seems to filter out a nice sized portion of the crap one gets from daily browsing
10:22:09 <kandinski> *** kandinski has changed the topic to: <sbp> Yo no me llamo Javier!
10:22:18 <kandinski> well, this is well worth it
10:22:27 <kandinski> let me try and transcode it to mpeg some month
10:22:39 <kandinski> * kandinski adds a line to his 32 meg todo list
10:23:09 <kandinski> does march 19 2007 work for you?
10:23:36 <sbp> sure
10:23:46 <JibberJim> I've got a hair appointment in the morning, and a date with a young lady in the evening, but I can fit you in 3-5pm ?
10:24:09 <kandinski> fine, we can do lunch
10:24:15 <kandinski> * kandinski loves Spanish late lunches
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10:45:58 <Talliesin> 498: A+ Certified or A+ Certifiable?
10:47:45 <d8uv> I guess I should come clean. I failed my last A+ test.
10:49:41 <Talliesin> I guess I should come clean. I'm not qualified to even turn on a computer.
10:50:49 <kandinski> I am not qualified to be alone in the street without an adult handler
10:50:56 <kandinski> oops, did I type that out loud?
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10:59:13 <kandinski_> <kandinski> s/handler/minder/
10:59:13 <kandinski_> <kandinski> quite another Freudian Slip there
10:59:17 <kandinski_> wrong channel
11:00:08 <Cloud> Real truth time is it
11:04:14 <kandinski_> .acronym war
11:04:21 <phenny> WAR: W. Axl Rose (Guns N Roses frontman) -/- Warrant -/- Warrant Officer -/- Warren Town Railroad Company -/- Warrior (Everquest) -/- Wartime Asset Redistribution -/- Washington Association of Realtors -/- We Are Right -/- Web Application Archive -/- Web Application Repository -/- Web Archive -/- Weekly Activity Report
11:04:49 <kandinski_> wasn't the "war" in "wardriving" and "wardialing" an acronym?
11:04:57 <kandinski_> or was that a backronym?
11:05:23 <deltab> no, it's from the name of the film WarGames
11:05:45 <kandinski_> really?
11:06:06 <kandinski_> what was it called before the film?
11:06:34 <d8uv> "Trondriving"
11:06:34 <deltab> yes, a character uses a program to dial all the phone numbers in his local area and listen for modem responses
11:06:50 <deltab> the practice became known as wardialing
11:08:34 <deltab> kandinski: demon dialers
11:08:49 <xover> .imdb War Games
11:08:54 <phenny> http://www.imdb.com/M/title-substring?&type=fuzzy&title=War+Games
11:08:58 <kandinski_> .ety warchalking
11:09:01 <phenny> warchalking: no etymology found
11:09:07 <xover> demon dialler != wardialler
11:09:09 <kandinski_> deltab: I remember War Games, I loved it
11:09:23 <kandinski_> when Matthew Broderick says "I'll show you how it is done"
11:09:33 <kandinski_> Ally Sheedy lets her hair down, sits on the bed
11:09:40 <kandinski_> Broderich goes to the computer
11:09:55 <kandinski_> Sheedy looks so damn disappointed, it is funny
11:10:06 <kandinski_> great acting, great direction, great understated comic moment
11:10:08 <deltab> heh
11:10:12 <kandinski_> the rest of the film is OK too
11:10:15 <kandinski_> ;)
11:10:32 <kandinski_> demon dialler != wardialler?
11:10:35 <kandinski_> care to elaborate?
11:10:54 <xover> cf. the Jargon file. Compare the definitions.
11:11:04 <xover> .jargon wardialler
11:11:21 <xover> Bah!
11:11:27 <kandinski_> .jargon wardialer
11:11:31 <deltab> ah, a demon dialer calls the same number repeatedly
11:11:37 <kandinski_> ok then
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11:11:45 <deltab> a wardialer calls a range of numbers
11:11:46 <kandinski_> xover?
11:11:47 <kandinski_> xover?
11:11:49 <kandinski_> xover?
11:11:57 <xover> Yes? Yes? Yes?
11:12:06 <kandinski_> I understand what a wardialer is good for, what is a Demon Dialer for? DOS?
11:12:37 <xover> Do you have your IRC client set to auto-reconnect when disconnected/kicked/etc.?
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11:14:48 <kandinski_> yes, I do
11:15:02 <kandinski_> why, are you going to ckick me?
11:15:12 <kandinski_> * kandinski_ puts a big book under his bants
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11:15:28 <Cloud_> is that what you use to banter with people kandinski_?
11:15:41 <xover> Heh. No, but then your IRC client qualifies as a demon dialler; except it uses IP instead of dialup.
11:16:13 <kandinski_> heh, mild dyslexia
11:16:17 <xover> Think BBSes etc. Also quite a good prank/DoS tool, but...
11:16:39 <deltab> ah, a demon dialler would be useful for getting through to an engaged number
11:16:46 <kandinski_> I do a lot of voiced/unvoiced errors. t for d, bants for pants...
11:16:56 <xover> Like a popular BBS, yes.
11:17:01 <kandinski_> demon dialler: demon as in Unix daemon, not as in "devil"
11:17:08 <kandinski_> gotcha
11:17:25 <deltab> no, I don't think so
11:17:30 <xover> .g "FirstClass BBS"
11:17:32 <phenny> "FirstClass BBS": http://www.firstclass.com/
11:17:53 <xover> Wow! They're still around? Cool!
11:18:01 <deltab> 'demon' here suggests (to me, at least) some degree of maliciousness
11:18:35 <xover> It probably predates popular use of daemon, but might well be at least partly deliberate.
11:19:28 <d8uv> Night!
11:19:41 <xover> <http://www.firstclass.com/ourcompany/CTIHistory/>; scroll to the bottom entry.
11:19:42 <deltab> what about WildCat? I helped set up a support BBS for one of the largest IT outsourcing companies using it
11:20:16 <Talliesin> The use of daemon rather than demon is based on the former being more commonly used in terms of Platos daemon and the latter for fallen angels in Judeo-Christian mythology. However both spellings are quite commonly attested for both senses.
11:20:57 <xover> Talliesin: In general? Or in the specific case of .ety "demon dialler"?
11:21:35 <xover> deltab: This one: <http://online.winserver.com/public/default.htm>?
11:22:08 <deltab> yeah, that's the one
11:22:54 <deltab> I was called in to edit CONFIG.SYS to increase the number of buffers in DOS
11:23:01 <xover> heh
11:23:12 <deltab> ended up spending months on the project
11:23:47 <Talliesin> In general, in terms of favouring "daemon" over "demon"
11:24:05 <xover> I'll bet. You didn't get sucked into adminning the thing as well?
11:24:29 <Talliesin> Of course both support the .ety "Disk And Execution MONitor" or "Disk and Execution MONitor"
11:25:13 <deltab> no, after it was developed it was turned over to ITnet, and I've not seen it since
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11:25:37 <Talliesin> It's amusing that in both the computer sense and the non computer sense the words have the same meaning but different nuances.
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11:25:41 <deltab> I guess I have my photo in a local newspaper, but have never seen it
11:25:57 <Talliesin> Synonyms will always develop a different nuance.
11:27:40 <xover> .ety daemon
11:27:43 <phenny> daemon: no etymology found
11:29:49 <Talliesin> .ety demon
11:29:52 <phenny> demon: Middle English demon, from Late Latin & Latin; Late Latin daemon evil spirit, from Latin, divinity, spirit, from Greek daimOn, probably from daiesthai to distribute -- more at TIDE
11:30:21 <Talliesin> "to distribute" how serendipitous
11:30:24 <Talliesin> .ety tide
11:30:26 <phenny> tide: Middle English, time, from Old English tId; akin to Old High German zIt time and perhaps to Greek daiesthai to divide
11:35:11 <deltab> http://www.santronics.com/products/wildcatdos/M10.php
11:52:16 <sbp> whoo. I have totally thwarted nfs
12:01:34 <kandinski_> twharted?
12:02:02 <kandinski_> isn't that what Aaron does everyday, as told by the annoying yellow bird in the Warner cartoons?
12:04:34 <kandinski_> Aaron Thwarts stuff
12:05:32 <kandinski_> Talliesin, "distribute" and "divide", it is really serendipitous, yes
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12:37:24 <kandinski_> great conversation in #barrapunto
12:37:54 <kandinski_> how some people never listen: I paraphrase and transpose quite freely, here Piotr is on an extended rant:
12:38:20 <kandinski_> <piotr> this bloke asks over the phone, "are you from Zaragoza?"
12:38:30 <kandinski_> <piotr> "no, I am from Huesca"
12:38:47 <kandinski_> <piotr> "I am from Zaragoza too"
12:39:11 <kandinski_> (Zaragoza is the capital of Aragon, and Huesca is 150 miles away)
12:40:02 <kandinski_> and my favourite is: "so you are Spanish, from Madrid? I know this person there, maybe you know him!"
12:40:25 <kandinski_> <me> "yes, we all know each other, we went together to bullfighting class"
12:40:49 <sbp> heh
12:40:54 <Talliesin> Yep.
12:42:41 <kandinski_> sometimes you *do* know them, though
12:42:43 <kandinski_> then it is a riot
12:43:22 <kandinski_> but in those cases, the person asking the question already had some clues that you might know them from work, studies, whatever
12:43:42 <kandinski_> # test
12:43:52 <kandinski_> # loggy: pointer
12:44:02 <kandinski_> loggy: pointer
12:44:02 <kandinski_> See http://swhack.com/logs/2004-07-22#T12-44-02
12:44:07 <kandinski_> loggy: help
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12:44:37 <kandinski_> who is loggy's author?
12:44:39 <crschmidt> morning saltab
12:44:53 <sbp> kandinski_: Dave Beckett
12:45:05 <kandinski_> is it actively maintained?
12:45:05 <crschmidt> dajobe :)
12:45:23 <kandinski_> I seen dajobe, yes
12:45:33 <sbp> I believe so. have a look at the CVS
12:45:38 <kandinski_> I couldn't tell Dave Becket from a can of paint
12:45:43 <sbp> .g logger Beckett CVS
12:45:46 <phenny> logger Beckett CVS: http://cvs.ilrt.org/cvsweb/redland/logger/
12:46:12 <sbp> two months or so since the last update
12:46:18 <sbp> more actively maintained than most code
12:46:31 <kandinski_> I thought it could have answered my off pointer request in an off comment of its own
12:46:41 <kandinski_> I believe in not adding noise when unnecesary
12:47:08 <kandinski_> not that I act on my beliefs, or not always
12:47:10 <kandinski_> heh
12:48:51 <kandinski_> yak yak yak yak yak?
12:48:57 <sbp> yak
12:49:05 <sbp> yak yak yak yak; yak yak yak! yak yak--yak...
12:49:09 <kandinski_> yak yak yak
12:49:13 <sbp> (yak, yak)
12:49:38 <sbp> yak, yakyak yak yak yak yak-yak yak: $yak. yak yak, yak yak yak?
12:49:52 <sbp> yak?
12:49:53 <kandinski_> yak, yak, yak yak yak, yak, yak yak yak, yak, yak yak yak, yak, yak yak... gibberish... gibberish... gibberish... ¡drivel!
12:50:09 <kandinski_> * kandinski_ yaks
12:50:41 <sbp> "yak yak yak, 'yak' yak yak yak. yak yak yak" - Yak Yak, 1st Yak 1903
12:50:56 <kandinski_> *** kandinski_ is now known as Yacker
12:51:04 <Yacker> yack yack yack yack yack?
12:51:06 <sbp> s/yak yak/[yak]/
12:51:14 <sbp> .g yacc
12:51:16 <phenny> yacc: http://dinosaur.compilertools.net/
12:51:27 <Yacker> Yak++
12:51:27 <sbp> yacc yak yak
12:51:41 <Yacker> yak yacc yak?
12:52:14 <sbp> def yak(*yakyak): yakyak() yaksus. sub { yak; }
12:52:38 <sbp> yak, yak yaking yakly yak yak yak. yak yak yak yak yak yak yak yak yak yak yak yak ayk
12:52:41 <sbp> s/ayk/yak/
12:52:50 <Yacker> yak!
12:52:54 <sbp> yak
12:53:13 <Yacker> * Yacker is so yak he really yaks this yak is about yak
12:53:13 <sbp> yak: http://yak.yak/yak/yak?yak=yak#yak
12:53:47 <sbp> [[[
12:53:47 <sbp> _
12:53:48 <sbp> _ _ __ _| | __
12:53:48 <sbp> | | | |/ _` | |/ /
12:53:48 <sbp> | |_| | (_| | <
12:53:48 <sbp> \__, |\__,_|_|\_\
12:53:50 <sbp> |___/
12:53:52 <sbp>
12:53:54 <sbp> ]]]
12:54:00 <Yacker> "They also yack who only stand and yack" -- John Done Yacking Already
12:54:15 <sbp> yakdeed
12:54:19 <Yacker> *** Yacker is now known as kandinski
12:54:27 <xover> * xover breathes in relief...
12:54:55 <kandinski> as I was saying, I believe in not adding unnecesary noise
12:55:13 <sbp> right
12:56:23 <sbp> *** sbp has changed the topic to: Yakity Yak (Let's Talk Swhack)
13:05:41 <jsled> swhack!
13:05:50 <jsled> er... *ahem* yack!
13:05:58 <jsled> yak... *yak* yak!
13:11:43 <xover> #swyak?
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13:23:03 <jsled> yak yak Morbus yak!
13:23:35 <sbp> yak yak yak yak yak yak yak yak yak yak wtf yak yak yak yak yak
13:23:36 <Morbus> don't talk back!
13:23:40 <sbp> hehehe
13:31:28 <Morbus> [09:28] <crschmidt> You are currently using 2 MB (0%) of your 1000 MB.
13:31:28 <Morbus> [09:28] <crschmidt> Started using it two days ago
13:31:28 <Morbus> [09:29] <crschmidt> oh wait, 4. can't think this morning, heh
13:31:28 <Morbus> [09:29] <imajes_> i'm using 13mb
13:31:28 <Morbus> [09:31] <Morbus> i'm using 800.
13:31:28 <Morbus> [09:32] <Morbus> all of it is porn.
13:31:30 <Morbus> [09:32] <Morbus> but, gmail sucks for viewing porn.
13:31:32 <Morbus> [09:32] <Morbus> no inline attachment viewing.
13:31:34 <Morbus> [09:32] <Morbus> too many clicks.
13:31:36 <Morbus> [09:32] <Morbus> ruins my rhythm.
13:33:29 <sbp> click with the beat
13:33:44 <Morbus> on my funky funky meat
13:33:50 <jsled> yak.
13:34:02 <Morbus> take out the papers and the trash!
13:35:34 <sbp> or you don't get no spending cash
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13:44:22 <sbp> Talliesin: it was C.P. Scott, btw
13:47:01 <xover> Morbus: You should totally tell the Gmail feedback about that!
13:47:20 <Morbus> i keep hoping jillzilla would let 'em know.
13:47:35 <xover> * xover can't wait to see the release notes for that...
13:48:03 <Morbus> "* made jacking off easier".
13:48:05 <xover> "* Implemented changes to improve rythm while, uhm, "viewing" erotic content on Gmail"
13:48:20 <Morbus> ewhehehe.
13:48:22 <Morbus> yours is way better.
13:49:21 <phenny> sbp: 13:49Z <bjoern_> tell sbp .head should have a shorter timeout
13:51:38 <sbp> I didn't even say anything
13:52:10 <sbp> I'll try to thread it
13:53:03 <bjoern_> setting the timeout to something less than 15 minutes would work too...
14:00:28 <sbp> boring :-)
14:02:25 <Talliesin> sbp?
14:02:37 <Talliesin> What was C.P.Scott
14:02:45 <sbp> the "television" quote
14:03:26 <Talliesin> Ah.
14:03:39 <Talliesin> Yes, google told me that just before you did.
14:04:14 <Morbus> whoa.
14:04:19 <Morbus> the third result for "morbus britney" in google is a porn site.
14:04:22 <Morbus> rock on.
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14:06:01 <Talliesin> What on earth do the first two point to?
14:06:10 <sbp> @google morbus britney
14:06:12 <supybot> Search took 0.341641 seconds: Audioscrobbler :: User :: morbus: <http://www.audioscrobbler.com/user/morbus/>; Audioscrobbler :: Track :: Britney Spears - Me Against The Music ...: <http://www.audioscrobbler.com/music/Britney+Spears/_/Me+Against+The+Music>; raelity bytes: <http://www.raelity.org/archives/2002/07/10>
14:06:46 <sbp> raelity.org is a porn site now?
14:06:48 <sbp> that sell out
14:07:18 <Morbus> your bot lies! ;)
14:07:59 <Morbus> http://www.disobey.com/dnn/2004/07/index.shtml#001612
14:11:10 <sbp> not my bot guv'ner
14:31:14 <xover> And here I thought you'd be a Solipsist...
14:34:25 <sbp> hmm?
14:34:48 <sbp> I'm highly anti-solipsist
14:35:36 <xover> What'd solipsists ever do to you?
14:36:03 <eikeon> *** eikeon (~eikeon@gandalf.mindlab.umd.edu) has joined #swhack
14:36:26 <sbp> "It may be the most logical view to hold but it makes communication of ideas difficult. A is liable to believe 'A thinks but B does not' whilst B believes 'B thinks but A does not'. Instead of arguing continually over this point it is usual to have the polite convention that everyone thinks." - Alan Turing, 1950, Computing Machinery and Intelligence
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14:38:14 <Monty> Speak of the devil, it's redmonk!
14:38:33 <xover> If I thinks then, by definition, so must Y, as Y is merely an aspect of I.
14:45:25 <Morbus> .g morbus tentacle porn
14:45:28 <phenny> morbus tentacle porn: http://www.disobey.com/dnn/2003/06/index.shtml
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14:51:13 <xover> g "tentacle porn"
14:51:17 <xover> .g "tentacle porn"
14:51:19 <phenny> "tentacle porn": http://www.abcb.com/ency/t/tentacle.htm
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15:31:14 <Monty> hi eaon
15:35:14 <crschmidt> hi monty
15:35:37 <Monty> vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv
15:35:43 <crschmidt> i see.
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15:42:48 <Talliesin> See what you've done to Monty, d8uv?
15:42:53 <Monty> Think BBSes etc. Also try TipicME for SMPP delivery), technical support,connectivity testing."
15:44:45 <kandinski> that is so cool
15:44:53 <kandinski> does Monty repeat off-log comments?
15:44:55 <Monty> Thanks. As the science is funny
15:45:04 <kandinski> I know this has been asked before, but did we find out?
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16:05:04 <Monty> it's arcon!
16:05:12 <arcon> hey there !:)
16:08:11 <kandinski> arcon, is this your fist time on #swhack?
16:08:56 <kandinski> if so, be warned that his is a publickly logged #channel, so don't say nuthing that could damage your future political career
16:09:05 <kandinski> if not so, forget I said anything
16:12:18 <crschmidt> also, many of the bots imitate people, nad many of the people are really just imitating bots.
16:12:46 <arcon> noope
16:12:48 <crschmidt> Then you get the really confused bots imitating the bots that imitate people, and it all just gets confusing
16:13:00 <arcon> hehe
16:13:14 <arcon> I haven't been on in a bit but I've been here before :)
16:13:41 <kandinski> did you get the "future pollitical career" warning shot, though?
16:15:34 <hhg> arcon: or you could just claim to be someone who might be your political opponent in the future
16:16:04 <esuji> *** esuji (~enki@213.235.202.171) has joined #swhack
16:16:07 <kandinski> standard practice in #swhack, in fact
16:16:13 <kandinski> sbp should add it to the faq
16:16:34 <arcon> hehe, I dunno
16:16:47 <Cloud_> *** Cloud_ has quit ()
16:16:48 <arcon> but I'm not who I say I am
16:16:50 <arcon> or something
16:17:01 <MoiraA> hello
16:17:03 <kandinski> right, well, but you say you are not who you say you are
16:17:03 <esuji> i'm not saying
16:17:12 <kandinski> so you are who you say you are
16:17:16 <arcon> hell, if Bush can become president anyone can, regardless of #swhack
16:17:26 <arcon> but who do I say I am
16:17:36 <arcon> and did I just say that so you'd think that or did I really mean it?
16:17:38 <kandinski> in any case, we now know you are not a barber that cuts everyone's hair but his own
16:17:58 <kandinski> well, you are leaving us a choice
16:18:03 <arcon> hehe
16:18:03 <esuji> i'm the chessmaster in the middle
16:18:04 <arcon> or maybe I am
16:18:09 <kandinski> a choice of axioms, but a choice in the end
16:18:18 <arcon> living on astreet corner trading hair cuts for crack
16:18:21 <kandinski> and you are lucky I do not have op powers in this channel
16:18:29 <arcon> hehe
16:18:34 <arcon> uh-oh
16:18:38 <kandinski> because you would have been given a swift kick in the...
16:18:42 <kandinski> my wishes granted
16:18:50 <kandinski> HOLD YOUR TONGUE YOUNG MAN
16:18:54 <kandinski> I AM THE MEGATRON
16:19:03 <kandinski> *** kandinski is now known as Megatron
16:19:13 <sal> nice gun.
16:21:49 <Megatron> *** Megatron is now known as kandinski
16:26:02 <hhg> Ooo, the megatron
16:26:27 <kandinski> I get a lot of that
16:26:54 <sbp> heh
16:27:49 <sbp> hi esuji, and welcome to Swhack. this is a publicly logged channel, so don't say anything that'd destroy your potential future politic... oh wait, if you have a future political career, we're probably all screwed anyway
16:27:51 <sbp> * sbp ducks
16:28:07 <sbp> hmm
16:28:23 <sbp> on the other hand, there would be Go boards at every street corner, which is pretty cool
16:28:35 <kandinski> as a Decepticon, my platform is to lie...
16:28:46 <kandinski> right, I should have said "the Metatron"
16:28:55 <kandinski> fingers slipped -- twice!
16:29:10 <kandinski> but hey, I did Transform, didn't I?
16:29:27 <sbp> it was very impressive
16:29:36 <sal> no. no it wasnt.
16:29:36 <sbp> now go and answer Suw already
16:30:48 <kandinski> thanks
16:31:34 <CaptSolo> sbp: nice, warm welcomes you do have here
16:31:57 <esuji> go boards rule
16:32:01 <sbp> heh, heh
16:32:06 <esuji> we need more gobans
16:32:14 <sbp> not sure if I've welcomed you yet, CaptSolo. if not, welcome!
16:32:25 <sbp> but we already know one another so...
16:32:32 <CaptSolo> sbp: gracias, gracias :)
16:32:38 <CaptSolo> yep
16:32:41 <esuji> i have rabb
16:32:44 <esuji> shit
16:32:57 <sbp> you have rabbit shit?
16:33:02 <kandinski> esuji, do you play go?
16:33:05 <sal> or rabbi shit.
16:33:07 <CaptSolo> not sure if we have foaf:knows formally stated, but that can be fixed fast :>
16:33:11 <kandinski> can you read French?
16:33:14 <sbp> does he *play* Go? he seems to live it!
16:33:33 <sbp> [ foaf:nick "sbp"; foaf:knows [ foaf:nick "CaptSolo" ] ] .
16:33:34 <sbp> there we go
16:33:39 <kandinski> have you read Georges Perec's Petite introduction au subtil art du go?
16:33:50 <esuji> no
16:33:57 <CaptSolo> kand: un peu de francais, oui
16:33:58 <crschmidt> [ foaf:nick "crschmidt"; foaf:knows [ foaf:nick "CaptSolo" ] ] .
16:34:10 <crschmidt> (hola captsolo)
16:34:22 <CaptSolo> hola chris! :>
16:34:28 <kandinski> I was asking esuji, the go player
16:34:37 <esuji> i suck at go
16:34:40 <kandinski> but I always assumed CaptSolo would speak French
16:34:57 <kandinski> he speaks wookie, fights the Nazis at his bar...
16:34:58 <CaptSolo> why?
16:35:19 <crschmidt> heh
16:35:21 <CaptSolo> heh - you discover the most well-kept secrets
16:35:25 <esuji> you know the hitler bar ?
16:35:26 <esuji> http://www.pusanweb.com/feature/hitlerbar/
16:35:33 <CaptSolo> though my foaf says that i read french
16:36:13 <esuji> i don't have a foaf
16:36:15 <CaptSolo> sbp, chris: do these RDF statements get added to some tripple store automatically?
16:36:16 <esuji> i feel like i'm no man :(
16:36:21 <kandinski> yes, no, the anti-hitler bar in Casablanca
16:36:37 <CaptSolo> n3 parser for #swhack logs :>
16:36:58 <sbp> CaptSolo: nope. that'd be pretty cool though, and in fact there was a swBot runnin gon #rdfig once upon a time that DanC hacked together (Actually, that's why he wrote ircAsync)
16:36:58 <crschmidt> heh, not that i know of
16:37:12 <sbp> s/ gon/g on/
16:37:21 <CaptSolo> what is ircAsync?
16:37:29 <CaptSolo> would be pretty cool
16:37:54 <CaptSolo> actually, semantically annotating irc conversations would be cool anyway
16:38:12 <CaptSolo> i do not see that Annotea stuff is getting much popularity though
16:38:39 <sbp> ircAsync is the IRC bot basis that DanC wrote, and that I subsequently uses as the basis for many of my little experimental bots
16:38:50 <sbp> nah, Annotea seems rather stagnant
16:39:44 <CaptSolo> sbp: probably there's something in its nature/architecture/implementations that does not make it straighforward to use
16:40:09 <sbp> the development site that the W3C set up was prone to breaking
16:40:32 <sbp> and you had to use Amaya, really, to interface it. double ouch
16:40:47 <esuji> * esuji throws a go board on sbp
16:41:24 <sbp> ow?
16:41:42 <kandinski> if anyone in the channel does academic work, I am interested about Free Software for cites and bibliographical databases
16:41:54 <crschmidt> CaptSolo: you think I should write an n3 parser bot?
16:42:08 <CaptSolo> chris: yes :>
16:42:16 <crschmidt> CaptSolo: the biggest problem is namespaces, i suppose, but you could assume a set of default namespacesw
16:42:21 <crschmidt> and publish that in the help for the bot
16:42:27 <sbp> uh, it's already been done
16:42:31 <sbp> .g scribe-bot DanC
16:42:35 <phenny> scribe-bot DanC: http://www.w3.org/2000/09/tmr493/notes
16:42:44 <sbp> .g swBot DanC
16:42:46 <phenny> swBot DanC: http://rdfig.xmlhack.com/2001/08/20/2001-08-20.html
16:42:48 <CaptSolo> since saying yes required me just the effort of 1 more char to type compared with no
16:42:51 <CaptSolo> :)
16:42:52 <sbp> argh
16:43:19 <CaptSolo> a list of default namespaces would be just ok
16:43:20 <sbp> aha
16:43:32 <CaptSolo> the bot could learn new namespaces as it goes
16:43:33 <sbp> swBot (an RDF KB with IRC, HTTP interfaces): http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2000/scribe-bot/
16:43:33 <swhacker> posted 499
16:43:43 <CaptSolo> if encounters something new, it may ask you to identify it
16:43:59 <sbp> RDFe might be pertinent too
16:44:02 <sbp> .g RDFe pyrple
16:44:05 <phenny> RDFe pyrple: http://infomesh.net/pyrple/rdfe/rdfe-2003-11-30/
16:44:19 <sbp> what's with Google lately?
16:44:19 <sbp> http://infomesh.net/pyrple/rdfe/
16:44:23 <crschmidt> sbp: is it running anywhere?
16:44:28 <crschmidt> swbot, that is
16:44:46 <esuji> * esuji is trying to get funding for irc logging as fundamentals research for artificial chatters
16:44:50 <sbp> not anymore. it was in #rdfig for a while
16:46:18 <CaptSolo> esuji: sounds like a good are to research if you dig deep enough
16:46:30 <CaptSolo> esuji: have you already some work in this area?
16:47:26 <crschmidt> sbp: the random mention of the other day was pyrple (the application i had noticed that you wrote)
16:47:37 <esuji> CaptSolo: i like money
16:48:17 <sbp> crschmidt: yeah
16:48:18 <sbp> [21:53] <crschmidt> sbp: you wrote something I was looking at last night. in python.
16:48:18 <sbp> [21:54] <crschmidt> i don't remember what, but there you go. random notice of the day.
16:48:18 <sbp> [21:55] <sbp> yeah, it was pyrple. saw it in the #foaf logs this morning
16:48:30 <esuji> CaptSolo: no, actually i was joking :P
16:51:30 <CaptSolo> esuji: joking that you like money or joking about research?
16:51:49 <CaptSolo> esuji: re. research interesting things may happen
16:52:08 <CaptSolo> i saw a paper accepted to ISWC 2004 research track about semantic blogging
16:52:44 <CaptSolo> i never thought there's what to write papers about - rather to write code to add semantics to the blog
16:53:05 <CaptSolo> but i was wrong in this assumption as i see
16:53:20 <kandinski> this Spanish web shop closes for holidays:
16:53:21 <kandinski> http://www.viasana.com/
16:53:31 <kandinski> * kandinski whips out the crystal ball
16:53:49 <kandinski> ...I...foresee....not....very....good....commercial....success....
16:54:04 <kandinski> * kandinski puts the crystal ball away again, wipes his brow
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16:55:26 <CaptSolo> kandinski - now, if you remove the word 'not' :)
16:55:50 <kandinski> webshop that closes for the summer?
16:57:06 <crschmidt> sbp: reading is clearly not my strong suit.
16:59:25 <sbp> :-)
17:00:20 <CaptSolo> kandinski: i understand it is not uncommon for enterprises in france, spain (maybe somewhere else in the region) to close for 1 month for holidays
17:00:29 <CaptSolo> usually that's August, i think
17:01:18 <kandinski> well, yes
17:01:19 <kandinski> true
17:01:23 <kandinski> small shops
17:01:31 <kandinski> big enterprises cut back on activities
17:01:42 <kandinski> but...
17:02:26 <kandinski> <ministro> we have too many people spending too much energy on air conditioning. I have an idea: let's turn off the internet from july 15th to august 15th!
17:04:11 <kandinski> er... I don't think that is suck a good idea, sorry
17:04:31 <kandinski> I mean, it might be the customs of my people, and all...
17:04:45 <kandinski> but not good in a globalised economy...
17:04:47 <kandinski> and all.
17:05:39 <bjoern_> .seen JibberJim
17:05:44 <phenny> JibberJim seen in #swhack saying: [ I've got a hair appointment in the morning, and a date with a young lady in the evening, but I can fit you in 3-5pm ? ] ~ 6 hr(s) 41 min(s) 55 sec(s) ago
17:06:06 <kandinski> bjoern_, I don't think Jim will see you today
18:35:58 <thelsdj> hmm thats weird, i wonder why 'tail -f somefile|grep something|awk '{print $1}' doesn't actually print anything, somehow the grep makes awk not flush or something, weird
18:37:34 <crschmidt> what's the awk '{print $1}' supposed to do?
18:37:51 <jsled> print the first column?
18:37:54 <thelsdj> ya
18:38:14 <jsled> I always do `awk '{ print $1 }'` ... does it matter?
18:38:41 <thelsdj> i don't believe so, the white space shouldn't matter
18:39:41 <thelsdj> if i just tail -f somefile|awk '{print $1}' it works fine but as soon as i add the grep i don't get any output, but if i remove the awk, the grep outputs fine
18:40:39 <jsled> hmm. Weird. I've used that pipline pattern before w/o incident.
18:41:49 <deltab> I find pipelines take ages to start up on yin, a freebsd system
18:41:55 <thelsdj> ah, hmm, i think maybe it works but somewhere its being buffered a lot
18:42:07 <deltab> I don't know if there is a connection
18:42:22 <kandinski> deltab, I like "blank is the new hard disk"
18:42:28 <thelsdj> and this is a freebsd system
18:43:11 <thelsdj> maybe freebsd buffers each subsequent part of the pipeline, so the more you add the longer it buffers
18:43:36 <thelsdj> well i'm oging to leave it running a bit and see if i get any output
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19:06:07 <kandinski> http://www.scottmccloud.com/comics/mi/mi-23/mi-23.html
19:06:14 <kandinski> I am sure you have all seen this, but...
19:13:27 <sbp> Scott McCloud is so damn great
19:13:58 <kandinski> yes
19:14:05 <kandinski> do you know "Destroy!"
19:14:29 <sbp> * sbp waits for the question mark
19:16:11 <kandinski> ?
19:16:13 <kandinski> sorry
19:16:23 <kandinski> great parody of Hulk vs. Thing comics
19:16:30 <kandinski> oversize one-off
19:17:27 <kandinski> two superheroes fight, shout "Destroy!", demolish New York
19:17:29 <kandinski> that is all
19:29:28 <sbp> sounds like jill vs. jill
19:29:38 <kandinski> right
19:29:45 <kandinski> they are two buddies, fighting for a woman
19:29:57 <kandinski> in the end she goes for a more conventionally handsome superhero
19:30:05 <kandinski> and they go together for a drink
19:30:19 <kandinski> leaving NY in debris
19:30:28 <kandinski> which is the starting point of...
19:30:36 <kandinski> Kyle Baker's Damage Control!
19:30:48 <kandinski> this was a Marvel title about a company of non-super-heroes
19:30:51 <kandinski> ordinary humans
19:31:03 <kandinski> whose job is Damage Control in superhero crises
19:31:07 <kandinski> incredibly funny
19:31:18 <kandinski> Kyle Baker is another star
19:45:08 <kandinski> thelsdj loved comics
19:45:17 <kandinski> and verbosus had time to chat
19:45:24 <kandinski> and jill used to work nights
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20:32:21 <jillzilla> <sbp> sounds like jill vs. jill
20:32:24 <jillzilla> * jillzilla laughs
20:32:47 <kandinski> heh
20:32:55 <kandinski> yes, you would like Destroy!
20:33:52 <jillzilla> * jillzilla grins
20:33:56 <jillzilla> * jillzilla is so violent
20:34:22 <kandinski> jillzilla doesn't really grin
20:34:27 <kandinski> she BARES HER FANGS1
20:34:31 <jillzilla> ROWR
20:34:35 <kandinski> shit, I hate this keyboard driver
20:34:42 <kandinski> s/1/!/
20:34:54 <kandinski> so, how long till Tokio?
20:37:41 <jillzilla> I leave in eight days
20:37:51 <jillzilla> Tookyoo
20:37:54 <jillzilla> I love that spelling
20:37:59 <jillzilla> it looks so silly
20:38:47 <kandinski> Tookyoo?
20:39:29 <jillzilla> Yeah. Both o's are long.
20:40:42 <kandinski> oo!
20:40:53 <kandinski> In Spanish it is "Tokio"
20:40:57 <kandinski> and that is enough
20:41:27 <jillzilla> Well, the spelling I gave is only used by people who study Japanese.
20:41:33 <jillzilla> It's more accurate, but misleading.
20:41:49 <kandinski> with macrons
20:42:03 <kandinski> macaroons
20:42:15 <jillzilla> Yeah, macrons are used too
20:42:17 <redmonk> heh. swhack, weird as always.
20:42:21 <kandinski> you at home/work/the friendly corner cybercafe?
20:42:22 <jillzilla> hi monk
20:42:26 <jillzilla> I'm at work
20:42:31 <redmonk> i think i'd be disturbed if i ever came in and understood what was going on
20:42:37 <redmonk> hi jill
20:42:41 <jillzilla> that's how you know the end is upon us
20:42:55 <kandinski> monk monk monk
20:43:10 <kandinski> we had a yak moment earlier
20:43:12 <redmonk> * redmonk looks skyward and panics, falling in the street, *zilla-bait
20:43:16 <kandinski> you would have freaked out
20:44:08 <redmonk> nothing here owuld freak me out except normalcy
20:44:58 <redmonk> the only time i get nervous is when taliesin and aaronsw are in here fighting about SW stuff, like old times
20:45:01 <redmonk> :D
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22:25:37 <kandinski> .g pickling
22:25:40 <phenny> pickling: http://www.picklenet.com/
22:25:48 <kandinski> .w pickling
22:25:51 <phenny> pickling is defined as:-
22:25:54 <phenny> 1. preserve in a pickling liquid
22:29:54 <Talliesin> There really is something for everyone on the web.
22:31:16 <kandinski> yes, i am surprised too
22:31:43 <kandinski> on the other side, it is fresh to have the first result in a search not be the IT-related meaning of a word
22:32:11 <kandinski> had it been a tutorial about data pickling in perl, I would have started screaming
22:32:40 <kandinski> s/fresh/refreshing/
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