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00:12:02 <sbp> can anyone think of a good name for a MIME type override tool?
00:12:20 <sbp> overmime. mimefix. typefix
00:12:34 <sbp> augmime
00:12:42 <sbp> swapmime
00:12:54 <sbp> remime!
00:13:15 <kpreid> make sure it's not already used...
00:13:17 <sh1mmer> mimemo(re)
00:13:21 <sbp> .gc remime
00:13:24 <sbp> .g remime
00:13:27 <phenny> remime: http://www.icir.org/fenner/mcast/ssm/html-archive/2002-09/msg00001.html
00:13:29 <phenny> remime: 270
00:13:35 <sbp> mimemo is pretty good
00:13:52 <sh1mmer> Arnia always pronounces it me-me
00:14:05 <sh1mmer> as oposed to mime ala mime artiste
00:14:19 <sbp> * sbp might try to adopt my-me
00:14:35 <sh1mmer> mimemine ?
00:14:36 <sh1mmer> :P
00:23:32 <jsled> marceu
00:24:23 <jsled> or... no i can't, apparently. :/
00:29:18 <sbp> done
00:29:34 <sh1mmer> and?
00:29:37 <sbp> remime (fix borken MIME types): http://inamidst.com/misc/remime
00:29:37 <swhacker> posted 531
00:29:55 <sbp> 531:As an example, try <a href="http://inamidst.com/misc/remime?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F&mime=text%2Fplain">the W3C homepage in text/plain</a>.
00:30:28 <sh1mmer> handy
00:30:31 <sbp> 531:Might be useful for fixing RDF feeds etc., as well as the obvious Text vs. HTML stuff.
00:30:53 <kpreid> [[[ self.version = 'Mozilla/5.0 (remime)' ]]]
00:31:02 <kpreid> sbp: why not propagate the request's UA?
00:31:21 <sbp> that's a rather good idea
00:31:44 <sbp> (note that I'm using it for http://inamidst.com/misc/remime?uri=http%3A%2F%2Finamidst.com%2Fproj%2Fsgmlid%2Fsgmlid.cxx&mime=text%2Fplain since Firefox likes to download .cxx extention'd files in xemacs even when sent as text/plain!)
00:32:31 <sbp> loggy: pointer?
00:32:31 <sbp> See http://swhack.com/logs/2004-08-06#T00-32-31
00:35:36 <sbp> kpreid: implemented, and you're credited in the source (cf. http://inamidst.com/inside/misc/remime)
00:35:49 <sbp> to prove that it's working, try http://inamidst.com/misc/remime?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.delorie.com%3A81%2Fsome%2Furl.html&mime=text%2Fplain
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00:44:12 <sbp> phenny: ask Talliesin what the probability is of having en-haiku be registered as a language tag, either tounge-in-cheekly or not. hyperlow, I'm sure
00:44:14 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on for you when talliesin is around.
00:45:31 <sh1mmer> sbp eh? oh right
00:45:37 <sh1mmer> sbp about the ol' poems?
00:45:56 <sbp> yep; wcaghaiku
00:46:02 <sh1mmer> superb
00:46:04 <sh1mmer> :D
00:46:22 <sbp> I know her mainly through WL, incidentally
00:50:09 <crschmidt> http://www.technorati.com/cosmos/search.html?rank=&url=They+never+stop+thinking+about+new+ways+to+harm+our+country+an
00:50:40 <sh1mmer> WL?
00:50:44 <sh1mmer> west life?
00:50:53 <sbp> William Loughborough
00:50:56 <sh1mmer> womens lib?
00:50:57 <sbp> crschmidt: ha. oh man
00:50:57 <sh1mmer> oh right.
00:51:20 <sbp> though as jcowan notes, it's probably genetic
00:51:54 <sh1mmer> * sh1mmer giggles
00:51:57 <crschmidt> I jjsut love how 132 posts already contain the quote.
00:52:12 <jsled> yah.
00:52:13 <sbp> never will they let him forget!
00:52:23 <sh1mmer> sbp I don't think they can stop him
00:52:32 <jsled> hey, we're trying.
00:52:33 <sh1mmer> you assume he has the capacity to remember
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01:06:54 <sh1mmer> sbp #foaf?
01:07:42 <kpreid> did anyone else just get /msged from who just joined #foaf??
01:07:49 <kpreid> :s/\?//
01:10:43 <sbp> Choumi?
01:10:53 <kpreid> yes
01:10:53 <sbp> I see them having entered, but I haven't got a message from them
01:10:59 <sbp> what was the message?
01:11:25 <kpreid> the line which they sent to #foaf containing quotes
01:11:26 <sbp> they seem to have left now in any case
01:11:31 <sbp> odd
01:11:37 <kpreid> sent immediately after it was to #foaf
01:11:43 <sbp> random troll; probably not worth reporting on #freenode
01:12:14 <kpreid> (they're still on the server)
01:12:19 <kpreid> (fwiw)
01:13:11 <sbp> worry ye not
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01:21:37 <jsled> heh. http://www.jinx.com/scripts/details.asp?affid=-1&productID=106
01:23:36 <sbp> 01A4;LATIN CAPITAL LETTER P WITH HOOK;Lu;0;L;;;;;N;LATIN CAPITAL LETTER P HOOK;;;01A5;
01:24:29 <sbp> but the thread reads as though they're too high to really care anyway
01:32:18 <sbp> hmm: "Disney announced today from NYC that they are entering the personal computer market." - http://slashdot.org/articles/04/08/05/2123257.shtml?tid=137&tid=186&tid=1&tid=218
01:32:44 <jsled> ooh. that's too bad.
01:34:15 <sh1mmer> orange whatr a bunch of fuckers
01:34:22 <sh1mmer> * sh1mmer tres annoyed
01:36:04 <sbp> ooh: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/tv_and_radio/3535588.stm (Daleks back)
01:37:33 <sh1mmer> orange are charging me an excess of £15 to replace my mobile phone
01:37:41 <sh1mmer> which is definately new
01:38:11 <sh1mmer> its not like im getting a new handset anyway, its going to be a refurb
01:52:51 <sbp> congratulations, sh1mmer. according to Google [1], you are not a U.S. person
01:52:53 <sbp> [1] https://www.ipo.google.com/glossary#usperson
01:53:30 <sbp> (via http://google.blogspace.com/archives/001398)
01:58:15 <sbp> .gc
01:58:16 <sbp> er
01:58:19 <sbp> .gc assertation
01:58:20 <phenny> usage: gc <query>
01:58:24 <phenny> - returns the number of google result count for your query.
01:58:24 <sbp> yeah yeah
01:58:26 <phenny> assertation: 5,190
01:58:40 <kpreid> .gc assertion
01:58:43 <phenny> assertion: 2,350,000
01:58:55 <kpreid> .gc dissertation
01:58:58 <sbp> in this case from: "He then pulled out the assertation that most OSS engineers got their money from retirees who invested in their dot-coms during the boom days. And they will move on when they get bored. Yow!" - http://finance.messages.yahoo.com/bbs?.mm=FN&action=m&board=1600684464&tid=cald&sid=1600684464&mid=162711 (via Groklaw)
01:59:00 <phenny> dissertation: 3,320,000
01:59:08 <kpreid> .gc dissertion
01:59:10 <phenny> dissertion: 1,850
02:00:30 <sbp> [[[
02:00:30 <sbp> He admitted that only 20 to 30 organisations have now bought an SCO Linux licence since it was launched.
02:00:31 <sbp> Sontag blamed action by Novell, which has claimed ownership of the Unix copyrights, for slowing down licence sales. "Some people have used that as an excuse to wait," he said.
02:00:38 <sbp> ]]] - http://www.vnunet.com/news/1157113
02:00:56 <sbp> right... so it's not the bafflingly high price tag at all (amongst, shall we say, "other things")
02:03:49 <sbp> good grief
02:03:51 <sbp> @title http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=04/07/30/1419205
02:03:54 <supybot> sbp: NewsForge | Linux desktop viability myths exploded
02:04:05 <sbp> all "I ARE TOO N00B TO INSTALLAR THIS STUFF"
02:04:20 <jsled> heh
02:04:46 <sbp> instead of the more valid "Linux UI is *terrible* in general", which is more valid (and therefore not a myth...)
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02:06:21 <sbp> Linux needs to buy out Apple. if every Linux user and developer created a coalition and looked for money down the back of their sofas, it'd probably be possible
02:06:44 <sbp> man, that'd be so funny. "Linux Community buys out Apple"
02:07:27 <sbp> and Apple would be renamed Lapple (pronounced "lappel")
02:09:52 <sbp> no more of that experimenting with BSD...
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03:39:53 <jsled> phenny: monty would like to chat
03:39:54 <Monty> classid?
03:40:37 <sbp> phenny: Monty wants to chat
03:40:38 <phenny> Monty: That is interesting. Please continue.
03:40:39 <Monty> gbbf?
03:40:40 <phenny> Monty: Terje it's completely bonkers?
03:40:42 <Monty> Thanks again. later today that he heard this song, I *like* understanding logic"
03:40:43 <Monty> Tell me more about that.
03:40:45 <phenny> Monty: One listing :) or summat else?
03:40:48 <Monty> She didn't work any money on work at all
03:41:25 <jsled> phenny: Monty wants to chat
03:41:27 <Monty> Essentially, glam-rock is stripping?!
03:41:28 <phenny> Monty: Does talking about this bother you ?
03:41:33 <Monty> XQuery should've become a GRDDL point in ?x, <filter.n3> as they usually pay you depart.
03:41:34 <jsled> [up late, sbp.... and thx]
03:41:34 <phenny> Monty: Right...
03:41:41 <phenny> Monty: You're not really talking about me... are you ?
03:41:43 <Monty> Craig just call most commoon i'd say how he heard you kind of employees the way out the point of thing being Imperial. Stop oppressing me as mentioned, the Festival
03:41:47 <Monty> Recommend me :( I get many, but when someone has ALL the incoming sms's on {1. screw web work I mean to interrupt.
03:41:58 <sbp> [yeah... and you're welcome!]
03:42:36 <sbp> just going to bed actually. was finishing up a few things (er... well playing KoL, but before that I wrote a pretty hilarious planned miscoranda post)
03:43:18 <jsled> aah, a few nice sets of non-sequitur before bed...
03:43:23 <jsled> sleep well when you do.
03:43:40 <sbp> exactly! and thanks. 'tis now: 'night jsled
03:44:03 <jsled> g'night!
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05:09:32 <jemfinch> anyone mind if I bring another bot in here to test out a new plugin I wrote?
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06:01:08 <Monty> yo john5!
06:02:11 <john5> que
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07:05:40 <Monty> howdy, jetscreamer
07:06:49 <jetscreamer> hi Monty bot
07:06:51 <Monty> ( and, BTW, sbp, is close enough about you.
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07:29:10 <kandinski> 09:06 <@IdleBot> kandinski, the synaesthesist, has attained level 31! Next
07:29:10 <kandinski> level in 0 days, 16:35:51.
07:29:10 <kandinski> 09:06 <@IdleBot> kandinski [192/260] has challenged jsled [49/468] in combat
07:29:10 <kandinski> and won! 0 days, 01:59:30 is removed from kandinski's clock.
07:29:16 <kandinski> hehehehehe
07:29:22 <kandinski> la la la!
07:29:33 <kandinski> phenny, tell jsled la la la he he he
07:29:36 <phenny> kandinski: I'll pass that on for you when jsled is around.
07:29:49 <kandinski> phenny, tell jsled to see context
07:29:51 <phenny> kandinski: I'll pass that on for you when jsled is around.
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07:59:24 <Monty> it's ham_!
08:00:10 <ham_> where?
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08:12:02 <Monty> Thank goodness, libby is back!
08:12:04 <phenny> Be quiet, Monty.
08:12:09 <Monty> mutant overgrown rust masturbates established Coca-Cola and epochal Windows CowBot...
08:15:42 <eaon> oh dear
08:21:35 <libby> heh
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08:34:16 <Monty> hey ham__
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08:42:10 <Monty> welcome, MattisManzel
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08:54:46 <Monty> howdy, ham___
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12:08:40 <crschmidt> "You didn't delete your journal just for me, did you? Wow, it'd appear so from your deletion time. I'd be flattered if I didn't think it was ridiculous." -- http://www.livejournal.com/users/brad/2041065.html?thread=8918249#t8918249
12:24:44 <jsled> swhack!
12:24:47 <phenny> jsled: 07:29Z <kandinski> tell jsled la la la he he he
12:24:51 <phenny> jsled: 07:29Z <kandinski> tell jsled to see context
12:25:03 <jsled> kandinski: I WILL have my revenge!
12:25:25 <jsled> phenny: tell kandinski I will have my revenge.
12:25:27 <phenny> jsled: I'll pass that on for you when kandinski is around.
12:25:58 <d8uv> Revenge? I'
12:26:03 <d8uv> ll bring the petrol!
12:26:04 <jsled> phenny: tell kandinski that he should wait paitently for that time to come
12:26:07 <phenny> jsled: I'll pass that on for you when kandinski is around.
12:26:30 <jsled> phenny: tell kandinski that, unfortuantely I can't tell him when that time will be.
12:26:32 <phenny> jsled: I'll pass that on for you when kandinski is around.
12:29:57 <Tallieat> *** Tallieat is now known as Talliesin
12:36:50 <Talliesin> !swhack does this command still work?
12:37:03 <Talliesin> hey
12:43:51 <crschmidt> if it was to search the logs, then no :)
12:47:53 <phenny> sbp: 11:27Z <Talliesin> tell sbp that unless he demonstrates that it is indeed a dialect, there is 0 chance, though I would very much enjoy reading an application, made in several haikus (or at least senryus) of course, on 2005-04-01. That would very much beat my attempt to register en-Spam-porn. Also add English language Haiku only encourages English language joke Haiku, and with the exception of the senryu "To express yourself/In seventeen syllables/Is ver
12:47:57 <phenny> sbp: 11:28Z <Talliesin> tell sbp " which is wonderful because the human foible it addresses is the foible of attempting to write senryu in English) there are no good joke Haiku." as well since that got caught off.
12:48:01 <phenny> sbp: 11:29Z <danbri_dna> tell sbp that http://www.ilrt.bris.ac.uk/discovery/chatlogs/foaf/2004-08-06#T11-29-03 has the full blurb...
12:48:42 <sbp> .swhack
12:49:33 <sbp> did I totally deprecate it? oh well. it's because searching for stuff pollutes the logs with same said stuff so eventually it becomes harder to find the good bits
12:49:49 <sbp> and as for en-haiku: planned!
12:49:55 <kpreid> if only loggy knew about .swhack /tail/ etc.
12:50:15 <kpreid> or...wait.
12:50:29 <sbp> hmm?
12:50:57 <sbp> oh right, if it ignored it. well, we could have [off] .swhack be the syntax
12:51:09 <sbp> and phenny would reply with [off]
12:51:27 <kpreid> just make phenny accept [off] .<command>
12:51:27 <kpreid> and reply as [off] <reply>
12:51:27 <kpreid> and have .swhack insist on being [off]ed
12:51:45 <kpreid> ...that's what i just said.
12:51:46 <sbp> ... :-)
12:52:03 <sbp> I was first! http://swhack.com/logs/2004-08-06#T12-50-57
12:52:57 <sbp> GMTA anyway
12:53:26 <kpreid> i'd like to disagree with loggy's view of reality.
12:55:39 <kpreid> (for me my 'if only' .. 'and have .swhack' lines all appeared before your 'hmm?')
12:55:48 <kpreid> * kpreid stops
13:00:44 <sbp> August Lagwars
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13:06:03 <Talliesin> I can't remember what I wanted to search for :(
13:07:40 <Arnia> Oil?
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13:26:21 <laplink> * laplink waves from a (entirely surprising) GPRS dialup in hicksville...
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13:33:49 <deltab> http://www.daen.dk/archives/000333.html
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13:43:42 <laplink> * laplink sees sbp's mail to w-v and nominates him for Heroic Überhacker of the Year!
13:44:56 <jsled> hmm... that's now twice this morning [the other from Talliesin] ... what's the 'ber-' prefix>?
13:45:12 <Arnia> ueber
13:45:19 <Arnia> (u-umlaut)
13:45:21 <Talliesin> u with an umlaut
13:45:32 <jsled> that makes much more sense.
13:45:35 <Talliesin> ü
13:45:47 <jsled> [xchat just drops the character]
13:45:55 <Arnia> My xchat doesn't :)
13:46:04 <Talliesin> jsled, just /charset utf-8
13:46:12 <laplink> You're in ISO-8859-1 mode.
13:46:18 <jsled> ooh... try 'gain?
13:46:21 <Talliesin> Later on you can change your settings so that its well behaved the rest of the time
13:46:28 <Talliesin> Überhacker
13:46:32 <jsled> sweet!
13:46:39 <laplink> You need to turn on UTF-8 in the Server List window (Edit Mode).
13:47:03 <jsled> done.
13:47:10 <Talliesin> Yes. let all legacy encodings fall before the armies of UTF-8.
13:47:26 <laplink> ( At least, I hope I'm in UTF-8 mode on this laptop ;D )
13:47:41 <Talliesin> Let mIRC burn in the pyre of its own folly (or add support in a new version, like that'd be cool to).
13:47:48 <jsled> über-crap
13:49:08 <Talliesin> It will come to pass and there will be peace on earth for all time.
13:49:45 <Arnia> * Arnia hands Talliesin a pike
13:50:01 <Talliesin> (Note that I'm still talking in the future sense. I have not broken #swhack law on immanentising the eschaton).
13:50:37 <kpreid> http://cavlec.yarinareth.net/archives/2004/08/05/geeks-and-their-amusements/
13:54:25 <Arnia> I think that law is an Illuminati blind
13:55:02 <Arnia> * Arnia mutters something that sounds like "do what thou wilt, shall be the whole of the law" and snorts
13:56:00 <Talliesin> Well, it was an Illuminati blind, and then you just went and suggested it was in the logs.
13:56:35 <Talliesin> Our whole project of projecting an apparant belief in an Apocolyptic world-view comes tumbling down.
13:56:48 <Arnia> Erk...
13:56:50 <Talliesin> RTFFAQ won't you.
13:57:36 <Morbus> what do people feel about the MediaWiki software powering wikipedia. any good?
13:57:56 <Arnia> And back to our regularly scheduled conversation...
13:58:36 <laplink> Seems passaby good to mine (untrained) eye...
14:02:55 <laplink> Argh! Headers for 1350 messages downloaded in an hour; and Lookout! tells me it's still only 6% done... :-(
14:03:31 <Talliesin> You need something that deletes anything with the word viagra in it while still on the server.
14:04:12 <laplink> Depressingly, spam is likely only a small fraction of those messages. I'm on waaay too many mailinglists.
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14:04:32 <sal> heh.
14:05:19 <Talliesin> Then you need to delete all the stuff that's on a public archive
14:06:00 <laplink> Hmmm. Good idea.
14:06:04 <Arnia> The Internet is a blind too... but one of the Old High Ones (more unpleasant than the Illuminati)
14:06:34 <laplink> And start filtering lists into separate mailbox on my laptop account.
14:07:10 <sal> or get a faster connection. thats whale slow.
14:07:52 <sal> he said, buttin in.
14:07:56 <sal> and misspelling.
14:07:58 <sal> jeez.
14:08:04 <laplink> It's GPRS (GSM) dialup out in the hicks; I'm visiting the in-laws for a couple of days.
14:08:09 <sal> ahh.
14:08:38 <sal> they always seem to live out in the hicks.
14:08:48 <laplink> Did I mention that I'm looking forward to *DSL becoming available out here?
14:08:59 <sal> you didnt have to, but its noted.
14:09:42 <Talliesin> Oh, must arrange broadband. Thanks for reminding me.
14:09:51 <sal> yeah hey no problem.
14:09:56 <laplink> And the most damnable pat of it is that I know for a fact that there's fiberoptic cable running just a few km from here.
14:10:16 <laplink> Talliesin, what're you on now?
14:10:36 <Talliesin> Right now I'm on broadband, but at home I only have dialup.
14:10:42 <laplink> ( Besides crack, which is evidence by the fact that you don't have broadband yet and it's available in your area ) :-)
14:11:22 <Talliesin> Oh, re. fiberoptic. I used to struggle with a poor dialup over a rural POTS line a stone's throw from one of the biggest transatlantic pipes. That was frustrating.
14:11:43 <laplink> I'll bet.
14:12:17 <laplink> At home I'm on a wireless link (point-to-point, nice performance) to work ...
14:13:24 <laplink> ... but I'm also the guy tasked with building our fibre MAN; so I've got the plans for the fibre running back and forth all around my house (justa couple hundred meters).
14:13:47 <sal> my son announced the other day that "dsl sucks and we need to get broadband, like those aol commercials."
14:13:51 <sal> i didnt even know where to begin.
14:14:01 <crschmidt> How old is he?
14:14:04 <Arnia> * Arnia just stares
14:14:05 <sal> twelve.
14:14:59 <laplink> He's got the right idea.
14:15:23 <laplink> He's just not twigged to the falsity of advertizing yet.
14:15:41 <Talliesin> If he wants to go with AOL he doesn't.
14:15:43 <laplink> But the essence is there: You Can Never Get Enough Bandwidth! :-)
14:16:11 <sal> to him, its 'which connection type produces the least amount of lag when hosting your own XBox server.'
14:17:39 <Morbus> Xbox
14:17:41 <Morbus> not XBox
14:17:54 <laplink> Single-mode fiber to the nearest POP! I thin you should get it for him; hosting low-lag XBox games is *important*!
14:17:57 <kpreid> EX-BOX!
14:18:02 <laplink> :-)
14:18:13 <kpreid> ...sorry
14:19:29 <sal> the ONE TIME i decide to capitalize something, and you fuckers rain on my parade. is all lower case from here on out.
14:19:53 <laplink> Wow! It starts to rain and my signal strength immediately drops by 10%.
14:20:05 <Talliesin> You just capitalised ONE TIME.
14:20:47 <Talliesin> precipitation 0wnerz j00. Ph33r rain!
14:21:58 <sal> right, but the clarification of when the 'here on out' started wasnt until later in the sentence.
14:22:21 <sal> not ' from the beginning of this line on out...' but, 'from here on out.'
14:22:40 <sal> * sal slides into home, satisfied.
14:35:38 <laplink> Hmmm. And each thunderclap drops it by another 30% for about 10 seconds before and 5 seconds following.
14:36:55 <Arnia> Lightning is an EMP, so it sort of makes sense :)
14:37:10 <Talliesin> Yes. The 10seconds before is kinda cool in a way.
14:37:14 <Talliesin> If you do not want to not not not not not not not not not not not not not not not not not not not not not not not not not not recieve mails from us click here.
14:37:48 <sal> i only 25 want to not receive emails from you, so it looks like im out of luck.
14:40:43 <Arnia> * Arnia plays with EMPs
14:52:57 <NickServ> This nickname is owned by someone else
14:52:57 <NickServ> If this is your nickname, type /msg NickServ IDENTIFY <password>
14:53:43 <Morbus> what the fuck, sal.
14:53:46 <Morbus> your people just spammed me.
14:53:57 <Morbus> "salvador pencek" spammed me three times with ":) look better today"
14:54:07 <Morbus> ;)
14:54:46 <NickServ> This nickname is owned by someone else
14:54:46 <NickServ> If this is your nickname, type /msg NickServ IDENTIFY <password>
14:57:11 <NickServ> This nickname is owned by someone else
14:57:11 <NickServ> If this is your nickname, type /msg NickServ IDENTIFY <password>
14:57:56 <crschmidt> Yes, it's all sal's fault.
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14:58:17 <laplink> Hmm. Am I coming and going in here? (NickServ is pestering me)
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14:59:21 <Talliesin> sal is leader of all sal* people?
14:59:32 <Talliesin> He's the root sal*
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14:59:56 <Arnia> Wouldn't it be cool if people were like LDAP records
15:00:22 <sal> yes indeed. they are my staff and have a myriad of avenues with which to enrich your lives.
15:00:56 <Talliesin> I have a staff that send Spam too. But they only send it to me.
15:01:21 <Talliesin> It still amuses me to see staff@hackcraft.net in the from field though.
15:06:13 <sal> i just love scotch.
15:06:32 <Arnia> Irish whiskey all the way
15:07:07 <sal> a colleague is attempting to move me from scotch to irish whiskey. i told him id listen to a few arguments by way of free samples.
15:08:02 <Arnia> * Arnia goes and gets a bottle of Bushmills and pours out a dram for sal
15:08:30 <sal> ahh, the numbing goodness of irc-liquor.
15:08:57 <Arnia> * Arnia pours himself a 'quantity'
15:09:23 <Arnia> Hey, so what if its only ten-past four in the afternoon
15:09:37 <sal> its ten past four somewhe....wait. nevermind.
15:10:35 <jsled> loggy: pointer
15:10:35 <jsled> See http://swhack.com/logs/2004-08-06#T15-10-35
15:11:11 <Talliesin> I actually prefer Bourbon to whiskey, but agree that whiskey is nicer than whisky.
15:12:16 <Arnia> I drink bourbon too, but whiskey is still nice. As is brandy. And good vodka. And good gin
15:12:31 <Arnia> * Arnia stops before he makes himself out to be an alcoholic
15:12:41 <crschmidt> Good Vodka is wonderful.
15:12:57 <Talliesin> I don't really drink much now though. I've a couple of bottles of Jameson that've been there for years and only the Sidhe have gotten any.
15:13:28 <Arnia> A friend of mine makes his own flavoured vodkas using Stoli
15:13:54 <kpreid> * kpreid kicks java.sun.com for using redirects for 404s
15:13:56 <Arnia> He can do everything himself bar chocolate, where the lipids get in the way
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15:14:57 <Monty> But what does eikeon have to do with the price of fish?
15:14:59 <phenny> Hush there, Monty.
15:15:02 <Monty> Every single day, you scratch software, apparently.
15:15:46 <deltab> yeah eikeon, what's up with that?
15:23:24 <Arnia> crschmidt: Is a description of meNow available anywhere? I forgot to ask Mikey :)
15:24:22 <crschmidt> Arnia: http://schema.peoplesdns.com/menow/ is a description, although the actual details of the RDF schema there are no longer valid
15:24:39 <crschmidt> Arnia: current examples of how to use it are at http://crschmidt.net/foaf/menow/menow.examples.txt
15:24:53 <crschmidt> I need to do a new HTML writeup, I just haven't had time yet, been working overtime for a client.
15:26:18 <Arnia> menow:Reading has Literal as its range?
15:26:47 <crschmidt> menow:reading is undefined in it's range.
15:26:53 <crschmidt> So it can be anything.
15:27:02 <crschmidt> Unless we changed that and I missed it.
15:27:21 <Arnia> I was just looking at the examples, that's all :)
15:27:41 <crschmidt> Yeah, the examples use it as a literal, but the range is explicitly undefined ;)
15:27:47 <crschmidt> for example, you could be reading:
15:28:05 <crschmidt> [a wn:Book; dc:title "Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy" ].
15:28:23 <crschmidt> but that's difficult to create programatically, adn I didn't want to limit applications by forcing them with a heavy UI.
15:28:52 <Arnia> * Arnia silents replaces wn: with cyc:
15:29:16 <Morbus> * Morbus begins installing mediawiki
15:30:28 <crschmidt> You can do whatever you like :)
15:30:54 <laplink> * laplink installs Squirrelmail (Webmail) to delete messages so Lookout! doesn't loose its mind downloading them...
15:30:59 <Arnia> Die wordnet die
15:31:14 <Arnia> (and yes, this is a very public opinion of mine :)
15:31:38 <deltab> laplink: actual LookOut, or Outlook?
15:32:03 <deltab> http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=technologyNews&storyID=5820713
15:32:07 <laplink> MS Outlook:win 2003.
15:33:00 <deltab> "Earlier this month, Microsoft bought Lookout"
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15:39:16 <Morbus> sbp: this mediawiki install looks easy
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15:39:27 <Monty> Thank goodness, redmonk is back!
15:39:29 <phenny> Be quiet, Monty.
15:39:35 <Monty> 21 copies of how coders get to run on you choose not twigged to curb drinking becomes a good ones are
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15:39:58 <Arnia> Monty: Insult me
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15:44:55 <Monty> Speak of the devil, it's laplink_!
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15:46:09 <laplink> deltab, thanks for the link. Just saw it before my connection crapped out.
15:49:13 <redmonk> swhack!
15:53:12 <crschmidt> redmonk!
15:53:25 <redmonk> crschmidt: yo yo yo
15:53:33 <crschmidt> So, the latest canterism: There is now a private SocialText wiki called "Openmedia"
15:53:38 <crschmidt> A closed wiki on OpenMedia.
15:53:48 <redmonk> lol
15:53:53 <redmonk> that's awesome
15:55:36 <Arnia> crschmidt: I don't know much about Canter. Is he in the Winer/Pilgrim class of hacker?
15:55:50 <crschmidt> Are Pilgrem and Winer really grouped?
15:55:53 <crschmidt> Pilgrim*
15:56:46 <Arnia> In the sense they get into fights with each other
15:56:59 <Talliesin> They get into fights with everyone.
15:57:08 <crschmidt> Ah.
15:57:09 <Arnia> I still remember Pilgrim's RSS based blog-change tracker
15:57:25 <Talliesin> Pilgrim's okay.
15:57:29 <crschmidt> I was thinking more along the lines of "Big talk, but nothing else"
15:57:46 <Arnia> Talliesin: He's said some stuff that has irritated me a lot regarding markups
15:58:16 <Talliesin> Oh, I'm not saying I agree with everything he says. But Winer's just not worth paying any attention to at all.
15:58:36 <crschmidt> Canter and Winer seem very much alike. "Dude, I've been talking about this for 15 years!" "This idea needs to get taken now. Why isn't $namedrop_here doing anything with it?"
15:59:44 <Talliesin> Yes.
15:59:56 <Arnia> Talliesin: yeah, I take that point
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16:00:15 <Arnia> crschmidt: I take it you're not Canter's biggest fan :)
16:00:36 <crschmidt> Arnia: far from it. I was very very happy when he lost all his contact information, which included my cell phone number.
16:00:55 <Arnia> crschmidt: :)
16:01:48 <Talliesin> But look, something like http://diveintoaccessibility.org/ is simple but honest work at making a point and educating without berating the people you're talking to (too much). I respect that.
16:01:55 <crschmidt> Arnia: I think he puts a lot of talk on the table, then gets upset when people don't do things the way he expects them to be done, in the manner and time frame he expects them done.
16:02:49 <Arnia> crschmidt: fun
16:03:17 <Arnia> Talliesin: Yes, but if you do disagree with him things can become heated
16:03:23 <crschmidt> Note that he's not paying me any money, and he assualted LiveJournal's FOAF output and s aid "it's useless! why don't you do something about it?!
16:03:31 <Talliesin> Well if you disagree with me things can become heated :)
16:03:59 <Talliesin> Heated is good. Crucible of debate and all that. As long as it doesn't boil over.
16:04:35 <Arnia> Talliesin: I mean heated in a very personal sense. I love arguing stuff to ensure that the best system is decided on, but that's at risk if it turns personal like Winer and Pilgrim's spat did
16:05:57 <Talliesin> Yes. I agree with you there. The distinction I make between them though is that I don't recall ever seeing anything from Winer except the "stuff I did today" type blog entries that weren't like that.
16:06:25 <Arnia> Ok, I agree with that
16:06:54 <crschmidt> In general, I find markp a pretty cool guy to be around online
16:07:09 <crschmidt> In general, I find Winer and Canter both raise my blood pressure by their presence.
16:08:22 <Arnia> crschmidt: Ok, I can agree with those statements :)
16:08:43 <Arnia> * Arnia apologises to markp if he offended him
16:13:26 <crschmidt> Also, Marc has a lot of annoying tendancies. For example, he's lately been linking to unregistered domains for "openevents" and the like.
16:13:45 <crschmidt> I'm not quite sure what he's trying to do or prove, but i keep thinking i'm clicking a real link, and he's just making the URL up.
16:13:46 <sbp> phenny: ask qopi if he knows anyone connected with MediaWiki, for Morbus
16:13:48 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on for you when qopi is around.
16:16:04 <sh1mmer> * sh1mmer waves
16:16:06 <phenny> sh1mmer: 13:59Z <crschmidt> tell sh1mmer that Kjetilk is interested in reading his paper re: WOT. (see http://www.ilrt.bris.ac.uk/discovery/chatlogs/foaf/2004-08-06#T13-58-51)
16:16:08 <phenny> sh1mmer: 14:02Z <Arnia> tell sh1mmer we need this functionality in our bot
16:19:16 <redmonk> Morbus: you around?
16:19:22 <redmonk> do you use bbedit?
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16:22:25 <redmonk> hrm
16:22:36 <redmonk> ok, i think bbedit's grep is broke
16:22:49 <laplink> How so?
16:23:05 <redmonk> i can't find a way to do multi-line grep
16:23:16 <redmonk> usually i'd do /pat/m
16:23:32 <laplink> Use Perl syntax
16:23:33 <redmonk> but bbedit doesn't seem to have a way to tell grep to make . match \r
16:23:44 <redmonk> meaning...?
16:23:55 <laplink> (?m:re)
16:24:08 <redmonk> whoa. you're going to have to 'splain that
16:24:34 <laplink> perldoc perlre
16:24:54 <redmonk> * redmonk perldoc perlre's
16:25:04 <kpreid> i'd be surprised if bbedit supported (?m
16:25:06 <laplink> instead of stuffing the /egismox modifiers at the end, you can embed them.
16:25:23 <laplink> It does.
16:25:30 <redmonk> oh, so you mean (?m:my pattern)
16:25:46 <kpreid> or just (?m) preceding
16:25:50 <laplink> yes
16:25:57 <laplink> right
16:26:13 <redmonk> hm. it did not work
16:26:20 <redmonk> i need to match this:
16:26:46 <redmonk> <b><a href="connectdb.php">\r\r\s\s\s\sConnection Database</a></b><br>
16:27:12 <redmonk> basically, <b>(.*)</b><br>
16:27:14 <kpreid> try exchanging \r and \n
16:27:27 <redmonk> well, that's just one example
16:27:40 <redmonk> i just need the re to eat any whitespace
16:27:44 <redmonk> er, match
16:28:04 <kpreid> (?s)?
16:28:08 <laplink> ...(?s:.*?)Connection... ought to work.
16:28:19 <redmonk> (can you tell I'm cleaning up other's html?)
16:29:04 <redmonk> i would have thought that .* would match any whitespace chars
16:29:24 <laplink> (but I don't have access to any of my macs atm so I can't test it, sorry)
16:29:31 <redmonk> whoa
16:29:45 <redmonk> using (?s:.*) was greedy
16:30:27 <laplink> add a ? after the * to make it non-greedy
16:30:36 <redmonk> actually, i tried (?s:.*) and (?s:.*)?
16:30:41 <redmonk> both ended up greedy
16:30:49 <redmonk> oh, after the *
16:30:53 <laplink> ( this is PCRE; so Perl rules apply )
16:31:44 <redmonk> thanks guys
16:31:47 <redmonk> that did it
16:32:34 <redmonk> oops
16:32:38 <redmonk> weird
16:32:40 <Talliesin> crschmidt, have you tried just telling him about the purpose of example.net, example.org and example.com?
16:33:03 <redmonk> kpreid: do you have bbedit there?
16:33:13 <redmonk> this is my search pattern: <b>(?s:.*?)</b><br>
16:33:22 <kpreid> lite 6.1.2
16:33:27 <redmonk> and this is my replace pattern: <h2>\1<h2>
16:33:40 <redmonk> but when i replace, the \1 is empty
16:33:58 <kpreid> try $1?
16:34:15 <crschmidt> Perl prefers $1
16:34:19 <laplink> those parens are non-capturing. add another set to capture
16:35:00 <crschmidt> Talliesin: last time I tried to tell him he'd made a mistake (saying that there was only one SN site on the web with over 1 million member,s at which I pointed out LJ's 4 mil), he said I was "flaming" him.
16:35:07 <crschmidt> So, I've given up on trying to correct him.
16:35:44 <redmonk> laplink: that was it.
16:36:14 <redmonk> now i need to nuke the whitespace, which i guess means capturing it explicitly, instead of matching the whole gamboozle
16:36:34 <redmonk> aw hell. i can do that manually.
16:36:38 <redmonk> screw it. thanks all
16:38:25 <laplink> np
16:38:49 <crschmidt> So, for OpenMedia, Canter's explanation of why the wiki is closed: 12:30:12 < marccanter> chris: closed is the way to start - then once we have something, we open.
16:39:49 <deusx> er, huh?
16:40:31 <crschmidt> Apparently, he feels that until a spec is laid out, you should have as few people as possible colloborating on it
16:43:17 <deusx> I want to make a snarky comment about missing blockquotes, but I can't think of one.
16:43:25 <crschmidt> heh
16:45:48 <sbp> bah
16:45:56 <sbp> I just got spam from a Wikipedia rip-off
16:45:58 <sbp> "wikiverse"
16:46:27 <sbp> [[[
16:46:28 <sbp> We placed a link to your site http://infomesh.net/2001/enquire/manual/
16:46:28 <sbp> in the External Link section of the Homepage of:
16:46:28 <sbp> http://[...]/ ; (Check it out!)
16:46:28 <sbp> I would appreciate it if you returned the favor and linked back to http://[...]/.
16:46:28 <sbp> ]]]
16:46:28 <Talliesin> You got Spam from something that lets you edit it?
16:46:38 <sbp> yeah. fucking crazy
16:46:58 <Talliesin> Why, let us create.
16:47:05 <sbp> hmm. well apparently this one isn't even public editable
16:47:12 <sbp> hence even more utterly worthless
16:47:25 <Talliesin> So it's more Spamiverse
16:47:49 <crschmidt> Yeah, I got a similar thingthe other day
16:47:52 <Talliesin> Oh, it's a Wikipedia mirror. I've an idea.
16:48:05 <sbp> "an up-to-date high speed static mirror of Wikipedia"
16:48:33 <sbp> aha, and the Enquire link is indeed on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enquire
16:49:02 <kpreid> oho
16:49:25 <sbp> though wikiverse does therefore serve as a quite nice notification for when wikipedia links to one of my sites :-)
16:49:28 <kpreid> so they scan wikipedia for links and then spam their owners for linkage to their own site?
16:49:35 <sbp> apparently
16:49:49 <kpreid> clever.
16:49:53 <kpreid> * kpreid glares.
16:50:24 <redmonk> * redmonk notes the laser beams shooting from kpreid's eyes
16:50:36 <sbp> the message is purported to have come from "Kate Weaver"
16:51:02 <sh1mmer> hmm the buglar alarm going off outside sounds a bit ill
16:51:10 <kpreid> ill?
16:51:14 <sh1mmer> yeah
16:51:31 <sh1mmer> it sounds like it is wailing for a bit then coughs takes a breath and carries on
16:51:38 <kpreid> heh
16:51:48 <sh1mmer> maybe its just some charver wistling into a loud speaker
16:51:54 <kpreid> i heard an alarm bell that was somewhat like that once
16:51:58 <Jibbler> sbp: ph34r :) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=6917112857
16:52:19 <kpreid> it went *rrrrrr*ding*rrrr*clink*rrrrrrrrr*ding*ding*rrrrrrrrrr*
16:52:30 <Arnia> sh1mmer: Yay, the humidity in Buckinghamshire goes up to 80% on Tuesday
16:52:42 <sbp> Jibbler: heh, seen that. more than double the cover price already!
16:53:10 <Talliesin> Wonder how long http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikiverse will take to propagate through.
16:54:20 <Talliesin> sh1mmer, For a second I thought you meant the burglar alarm sounded like some "ill tunes".
16:54:46 <sbp> Talliesin: bwahahaha!
16:54:52 <sh1mmer> Talliesin no no. it just sounds pawly
16:55:06 <sbp> Talliesin++
16:55:15 <kpreid> Heh, someone already edited it.
16:58:00 <sbp> it's kinda tempting to add an external link to their site, since though it might give them a higher Google ranking and more visitors (which would be bad), it might--just might--mean that they'd get one of their own spams (which would be good)
16:58:29 <kpreid> I doubt they'd get the point.
16:58:37 <sbp> true
16:58:56 <sbp> can't wait to use web.archive.org on the wikiverse version of that page
16:59:03 <Talliesin> Besides, what we want is for wikiverse.wikiverse to become a well known page for some time.
16:59:10 <sbp> aye
16:59:21 <sbp> hehehe
16:59:27 <Talliesin> Can't wait to use /. on the wikiverse version of that page.
16:59:33 <sbp> ehheh
16:59:44 <kpreid> * kpreid goes back to quasi-useful activities
17:00:00 <sbp> the fight against spam isn't useful you you, kpreid? :-)
17:00:01 <Talliesin> Oh, I'll be on crappy bandwidth for the next 2 weeks and /. is a pain on dial-up, one of ye do it please.
17:00:04 <sbp> er for you
17:00:19 <sbp> the more of us report it, the better
17:00:25 <kpreid> point.
17:00:40 <kpreid> (oh, I added some [[]] to the page)
17:01:26 <Talliesin> Ooops, I am doing also.
17:02:06 <Talliesin> heh, you did the same as I was going to. Spam has a capital S though.
17:02:23 <Talliesin> What's the syntax for linking a wikipedia word to a different word than itself again?
17:02:58 <kpreid> [[Page|linktext]] iirc
17:03:01 <Talliesin> oh, got it
17:04:34 <Talliesin> there
17:04:43 <Talliesin> oops
17:06:26 <Talliesin> Wonder if they exclude pages marked for cleanup though?
17:08:32 <sbp> "if the term is to be used, it should be used in all lower-case letters to distinguish it from our trademark SPAM" - http://www.spam.com/ci/ci_in.htm
17:08:56 <Talliesin> Spam isn't their trademark either.
17:09:17 <sbp> not sure about cleanup: there're no old pages linked to on the cleanup page to test out
17:09:18 <Talliesin> Google being case-insensitive we can't googlefight them :(
17:09:19 <sbp> true
17:09:26 <sbp> yeah...
17:09:55 <Talliesin> We'd have to build a bot to search the web ourselves.
17:10:00 <sbp> let's do it!
17:10:16 <Talliesin> We could fund the project by selling any email addresses it finds as it does so.
17:10:36 <sbp> we could call it Hypocrigal
17:10:41 <sbp> er, gle
17:10:59 <crschmidt> .g hypocrigle
17:10:59 <phenny> hypocrigle: sorry, no results were found.
17:11:16 <Talliesin> yes and when people complain we could say "we were trying to highlight the problem".
17:11:27 <sbp> "Hypocrigle - The Search Engine funded by [Ss]pam (and prostitution, gun running, diamond trading, etc.)"
17:11:32 <sbp> good idea
17:11:35 <kpreid> @google fight hypocrite hypocrat hypocrit
17:11:41 <supybot> kpreid: 'hypocrite': 179000, 'hypocrit': 5240, 'hypocrat': 251
17:11:47 <Talliesin> That's like the cracker get-out-of-jail-free card, isn't it?
17:12:00 <Talliesin> @google fight Spam spam
17:12:02 <supybot> Talliesin: 'spam': 8570000, 'Spam': 8570000
17:12:04 <Talliesin> (I know it won't work)
17:14:02 <Talliesin> @google fight hypocrigal hypocrigle hypocrigol
17:14:04 <supybot> Talliesin: 'hypocrigol': 0, 'hypocrigle': 0, 'hypocrigal': 0
17:20:48 <crschmidt> * crschmidt sighs.
17:20:53 <crschmidt> it's going to be a long day.
17:23:19 <sh1mmer> Talliesin or at least put yourself in queue like everyone else
17:23:36 <crschmidt> sh1mmer: the new monty
17:23:36 <Monty> Please go on.
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17:23:40 <crschmidt> aw, monty
17:23:42 <sbp> heh, heh
17:23:42 <Monty> Please don't move bell.
17:23:51 <crschmidt> monty: Be more concise, please.
17:23:52 <Monty> Matthew!!!
17:23:58 <crschmidt> monty: impressive.
17:23:59 <Talliesin> To late Monty, Bell was broken up ages ago.
17:23:59 <Monty> except of stock SCOX
17:24:00 <sbp> Monty: no. Chris
17:24:01 <Monty> (can you bought Lookout"
17:24:02 <Monty> aw hell. i reset
17:24:17 <deltab> hehe
17:26:39 <bjoern_> *** bjoern_ is now known as peepo_____
17:27:32 <crschmidt> Recently, the OpenMedia effort was founded, as a Private SocialText wiki. the reason for this, according to the founder, is that Standards should be discussed in private before they are presented to the public
17:27:49 <woundown> *** woundown (~JohnG@pcp04263156pcs.fairmt01.pa.comcast.net) has joined #swhack
17:27:50 <crschmidt> "that's how professionally run open standards happen"
17:27:57 <kpreid> there's something to be said for that, though
17:28:11 <crschmidt> Now, perhaps I'm naive, but does anyone else see a flaw here?
17:28:15 <Talliesin> That is and isn't true.
17:28:16 <peepo_____> *** peepo_____ is now known as darobin_
17:28:28 <sbp> * sbp wonders what on earth Bjoern is doing
17:28:31 <crschmidt> I can understand the need for dedicated, focused consideration of issues.
17:28:43 <kpreid> hmmm...nevermind
17:28:47 <darobin_> *** darobin_ is now known as schepres
17:28:54 <sh1mmer> sbp or what Jonathan is doing...
17:29:07 <sbp> or Robin, or Schepers...
17:29:11 <crschmidt> However, it seems to me that by limiting the discussion to only a small group of people, before the Goals of the standard have even been decided seems silly.
17:29:26 <sh1mmer> you people have to keep me awake until at least 10
17:29:49 <crschmidt> Discuss, for my edification only, the merits of using a private wiki for the discussion of a roadmap for an as yet non-existant standard?
17:29:54 <sh1mmer> if im not awake to get my new mobile phone delivered it costs me £13
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17:30:22 <sbp> hey JohnG_. welcome to Swhack
17:30:28 <Talliesin> Most professionally run standards come from identification of a need, and that comes from the wider community that the standard applies to in one way or another.
17:30:47 <sbp> JohnG_: this is a publicly logged channel, so don't say anything that'd destroy your potential future political career
17:30:56 <sbp> swhack.com for more details, blah blah
17:30:58 <Talliesin> Alternatively there is the 1 or 2 guys think up something cool, play with it, get it to a presentable enough state and then publish.
17:31:45 <sbp> yeah. Aaron and I have done that sort of thing on a number of occasions, though never really all that privately it must be admitted
17:31:49 <crschmidt> Talliesin: In this case, it seems like one person feels there is a need, and is determined to get his name down in history as the founder of the solution to that need. Or perhaps I'm biased :)
17:31:51 <sh1mmer> sbp can we say things which would potentially destroy your future political career?
17:32:03 <bjoern_> *** bjoern_ is now known as Pinky
17:32:16 <sbp> one day I'd like to run for MP and fail anyway, so sure. lots of my heroes have done so
17:32:26 <deltab> multiprocessor?
17:32:28 <crschmidt> Are there examples of problems that have been solved privately, which later became public standards?
17:32:29 <sh1mmer> crschmidt write a paper not a standard... jeez
17:32:38 <sbp> "Vote Mr. Weirdo for multiprocessor!"
17:32:53 <sh1mmer> standards are commitee things for the reason of community inclusion
17:33:03 <deltab> or military police?
17:33:20 <sh1mmer> sbp if you run you have to declair your b
17:33:30 <sbp> and if I were to be an MP, I'd like to become Crown Steward and Bailiff of the three Chiltern Hundreds of Stoke, Desborough and Burnham
17:33:36 <crschmidt> I'm honestly just trying to think of something other than FOAFnet which started as a private venture, and ended up as an accepted Open Standards
17:33:39 <crschmidt> Standard.
17:33:47 <sbp> would I really?
17:33:59 <sh1mmer> i think so
17:34:01 <sbp> .acornym MP
17:34:11 <sh1mmer> or i could just be lying as a cunning trick
17:34:19 <sh1mmer> not very cunning now i said that
17:34:24 <sbp> no
17:34:28 <sbp> .acronym MP
17:34:34 <phenny> MP: Member of Parliament -/- Military Police -/- My Pleasure -/- Northern Mariana Islands (US postal abbreviation) -/- Machine Pistol -/- Macross Plus (anime movie) -/- Madhya Pradesh (state in India) -/- Magic Points (gaming) -/- Magnetic Pressure -/- Main Process -/- Main Processor -/- Main Propulsion
17:35:09 <sbp> "Vote Sean B. Palmer for Your Pleasure!"
17:35:26 <sh1mmer> * sh1mmer ribs sbp
17:35:51 <sbp> * sbp $bodyparts sh1mmer
17:35:52 <deltab> sh1mmer: haha!
17:36:13 <sh1mmer> * sh1mmer qdbs
17:36:19 <sbp> damn, that means I missed a joke
17:36:25 <deltab> sbp: "ribbed for Your Pleasure"
17:36:30 <sbp> ahahaha
17:36:36 <Arnia> I live in the Chiltern Hundreds :p
17:37:02 <sbp> Arnia: neat. I could be your Crown Steward and Bailiff!
17:37:23 <Talliesin> crschmidt, the web was one guy working in CERN without full authorisation for his project. It's kinda popular now.
17:37:27 <sh1mmer> I want to buy the seat of Lord Manton Cawdor
17:37:36 <Arnia> Desborough is now a district of High Wycombe, Stoke is Stoke Poges, a village a couple of miles south of me and Burnham is a town that's been swallowed up by Slough
17:37:46 <sh1mmer> then I can present the monach's gloves at the next coronation
17:37:53 <sh1mmer> and I can make you all call me lord
17:38:22 <crschmidt> Talliesin: I think my main concern is not "Hey, I'm going to do this on my own" but more "Hey, I'm going to get together with a bunch of other people and let them do this for me" ;)
17:38:24 <Arnia> * Arnia hands sh1mmer the tights
17:38:24 <Talliesin> I'm a citizen of a free republic. So you can stick your "lord"ship.
17:38:41 <sh1mmer> Talliesin have a potatoe :P
17:38:44 <sh1mmer> * sh1mmer hides
17:38:46 <crschmidt> I found myself listed as an "employee" of a company, because I was a member of FOAFnet.
17:39:08 <sh1mmer> crschmidt eh, how did that happen?
17:39:27 <sh1mmer> Talliesin our stupid antiquated system is good for tourism
17:39:48 <Talliesin> It can be easier to get more ppl on board once you've something to show.
17:40:02 <crschmidt> sh1mmer: http://broadbandmechanics.com/Us.htm - So far as I can tell, I'm only listed there because I worked on FOAFnet
17:40:40 <crschmidt> Oh, I suppose it might have been because I offered a couple patches to PeopleAggregator as well
17:40:40 <Pinky> *** Pinky is now known as bjoern_h
17:41:13 <Arnia> sh1mmer: I think its the best system anyway. I disagree with republics :)
17:41:29 <Talliesin> Affiliations don't necessarily mean you work for them
17:41:35 <sh1mmer> Arnia ack, dont be going on about feudalism again
17:41:38 <sh1mmer> * sh1mmer rolls eyes
17:41:41 <Arnia> sh1mmer: I'm not
17:41:43 <sh1mmer> ok
17:41:45 <sh1mmer> :P
17:41:50 <Arnia> sh1mmer: Constitutional monarchy isn't feudalism
17:41:52 <Talliesin> Affiliations can be troublesome when politics get nasty. Often they're more trouble than they're worth.
17:42:02 <crschmidt> Talliesin: I don't even know what that page is, to be honest. Other than a page where I'm listed as part of an "Us" that I didn't know I was part of :)
17:42:09 <Talliesin> No, it's constitutional feudalism.
17:42:15 <sbp> Top Three Things you Don't Mention in front of Arina: Discordianism, Feudalism, Wordnet
17:42:24 <sbp> er. nor Arnia
17:42:28 <crschmidt> Anyway. Done ranting for the time being.
17:42:48 <Talliesin> Hmm. Sorry, misinterpreted.
17:42:58 <Talliesin> Ask them for a raise.
17:43:21 <Arnia> sh1mmer: I believe that the head of state shouldn't have power, shouldn't be elected, and should be hyper-trained to wield the two powers they possess - assent and dissolution
17:43:42 <Arnia> * Arnia hands sbp the full list, nicely bound in vellum with a fabric binding
17:44:02 <sbp> mmm... silk bookmark
17:44:18 <crschmidt> Confused.
17:44:19 <crschmidt> 13:44:37 <marccanter> ever heard of Linux?
17:44:19 <crschmidt> 13:44:49 <crschmidt> Yep.
17:44:19 <crschmidt> 13:44:55 <marccanter> do U think Linus opened up an open conversation -day one?
17:44:26 <crschmidt> Am I wrong in thinking that he did?
17:44:33 <sbp> he did
17:45:32 <sbp> crschmidt: http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=1991Oct5.054106.4647%40klaava.Helsinki.FI
17:45:35 <supybot> Google Groups: comp.os.minix, Free minix-like kernel sources for 386-AT
17:45:40 <sbp> via http://www.google.com/googlegroups/archive_announce_20.html
17:46:24 <Talliesin> crschmidt, Linux played about with some code on his own (completely on his own) got enough to show he wasn't totally insane in the plan and then opened it up.
17:46:26 <Arnia> sbp: I have something here I'd like you to sign *produces another sheet of lamb vellum* in your blood if possible
17:46:37 <sh1mmer> Talliesin vapourware has different rules
17:46:40 <Talliesin> Indeed he opened it up in passing as a footnote to something else.
17:46:42 <Arnia> Its the NDA for that book
17:46:44 <sh1mmer> Talliesin all you need is an idea
17:46:55 <sbp> Arnia: ask my secretary
17:47:06 <Talliesin> sh1mmer, yes. I'm not saying the analogy is valid or invalid, just wrong :)
17:47:25 <sh1mmer> * sh1mmer wrongs Talliesin a bit
17:47:29 <Arnia> * Arnia takes the book, and the NDA and quill, and walks out to speak to the secretary
17:48:23 <Arnia> * Arnia walks back in as the screams are still dying away and closes the door against the stench of pork and sulphur
17:48:35 <Arnia> She was very appreciative
17:48:52 <jsled> mmm... pork...
17:49:09 <sbp> she? wrong person
17:49:11 <Talliesin> Secretary: The Director's Cut
17:49:15 <jsled> heh
17:49:25 <Arnia> Oh *looks abashed for a moment*
17:49:29 <crschmidt> heh
17:49:36 <sh1mmer> Talliesin as oposed to the choice cut?
17:49:44 <sh1mmer> * sh1mmer looks for a nice cianti
17:50:24 <Arnia> Hmm... as long as you don't get any tatoos done
17:57:33 <crschmidt> Was Jabber's protocol/standard developed in a closed arena?
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18:03:02 <crschmidt> I've scared them all off. sad.
18:03:07 <crschmidt> hopefully sh1mmer is still awake
18:03:28 <Arnia> * Arnia pokes sh1mmer
18:06:36 <Talliesin> Right I'm off for a fortnight. w00 h00!
18:06:46 <crschmidt> Later Talliesin
18:06:48 <Arnia> Uhh... they've arrested someone for publishing a website saying he supports something
18:06:51 <Arnia> Bye Talliesin
18:07:08 <Talliesin> Well, I'll probably still be #swhack over that time. But not from here.
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18:08:27 <jsled> Arnia: what, like baby-eating?
18:09:29 <Arnia> Supporting Jihad yes, but still... the way they were speaking makes it sound that they're more offended he disagrees with them than anything criminal he's done
18:09:53 <jsled> oh, your basic thoughtcrime.
18:10:01 <jsled> double-plus un-good.
18:11:59 <Arnia> * Arnia shrugs
18:12:26 <Arnia> We ain't allowed to think different. Anyone who's different is dangerous to society
18:15:35 <redmonk> * redmonk ponders the enigma that is #swhack
18:15:53 <redmonk> my wife's IT guy just told her "mac netowrks are insecurable"
18:16:19 <Arnia> redmonk: Its a puzzle for meditation practice
18:16:29 <redmonk> this from a company whose windows network has been down 4 times in the last month because of <insert outlook work-of-the-day"
18:16:35 <redmonk> ergh
18:16:42 <redmonk> outlook-worm-of-the-day
18:17:09 <Arnia> What about them is insecurable?
18:17:19 <redmonk> no idea what he thought
18:17:39 <redmonk> she's all "like, yeah, uh-huh, that's why we're in the news all the time b/c our networks have been screwed"
18:18:24 <redmonk> most winblows IT guys I've met seem to think appletalk is still the only way to network macs. that or localtalk.
18:18:46 <redmonk> i want to strangle them with a gigbit ethernet cable.
18:19:29 <Arnia> Do you think ZeroConf is insecure?
18:19:50 <redmonk> no, b/c it only works once you get on the subnet anyway
18:20:08 <Arnia> What about DNS-SD over normal DNS systems?
18:20:17 <Arnia> (not multicast)
18:20:22 <redmonk> what's dns-sd?
18:20:43 <redmonk> .g DNS-SD
18:20:45 <Arnia> DNS Service Discovery - using DNS to find services to connect to
18:20:46 <phenny> DNS-SD: http://www.dns-sd.org/
18:21:53 <sh1mmer> .w vain
18:21:56 <redmonk> not sure what's the operating parameters are
18:21:58 <phenny> vain is defined as:-
18:21:59 <redmonk> for DNS-SD
18:22:00 <sh1mmer> .w vein
18:22:01 <phenny> 1. characteristic of false pride; having an exaggerated sense of self-importance; "a conceited fool"; "an attitude of self-conceited arrogance"; "an egotistical disregard of others"; "so swollen by victory that he was unfit for normal duty"; "growing ever more swollen-headed and arbitrary"; "vain about her clothes"
18:22:04 <phenny> 2. unproductive of success; "a fruitless search"; "futile years after her artistic peak"; "a sleeveless errand"; "a vain attempt"
18:22:09 <phenny> vein is defined as:-
18:22:11 <phenny> 1. a blood vessel that carries blood from the capillaries toward the heart; all veins except the pulmonary carry unaerated blood
18:22:15 <phenny> 2. a distinctive style or manner; "he continued in this vein for several minutes"
18:22:19 <phenny> 3. any of the vascular bundles or ribs that form the branching framework of conducting and supporting tissues in a leaf or other plant organ [...]
18:23:04 <Arnia> redmonk: It just allows services to announce themselves using the domain name system. Security is up to the protocol and administrator
18:24:55 <sbp> heh, heh: http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/lunixpanther/
18:24:58 <sbp> Lunix Panther
18:32:45 <redmonk> .wn disdain
18:32:47 <phenny> redmonk: please use .w as .wn makes some other bots flood.
18:32:53 <redmonk> .w disdain
18:32:56 <phenny> disdain is defined as:-
18:32:59 <phenny> 1. lack of respect accompanied by a feeling of intense dislike; "he was held in contempt"; "the despite in which outsiders were held is legendary"
18:33:02 <phenny> 2. a communication that indicates lack of respect by patronizing the recipient
18:33:07 <phenny> 3. look down on with disdain; "He despises the people he has to work for"; "The professor scorns the students who don't catch on immediately" [...]
18:36:46 <kpreid> * kpreid presents definition 3 as an example of WordNet Is Not A Dictionary
18:37:40 <Arnia> * Arnia hands kpreid the WordNet Poking Stick
18:37:51 <kpreid> nah, you keep it
18:37:59 <kpreid> i'm only amused, not offended
18:38:03 <kpreid> * kpreid grins.
18:38:09 <Arnia> * Arnia pokes WordNet again
19:00:29 <sh1mmer> .w wordnet
19:00:31 <phenny> wordnet is defined as:-
19:00:34 <phenny> 1. any of the machine-readable lexical databases modeled after the Princeton WordNet
19:00:38 <phenny> 2. a machine-readable lexical database organized by meanings; developed at Princeton University
19:00:43 <crschmidt> "'Naomi, sex at noon taxes.' I moan." - palindromic craziness!
19:01:09 <sh1mmer> .w palindromic
19:01:11 <phenny> I couldn't find palindromic in WordNet.
19:01:17 <crschmidt> .w palindrome
19:01:19 <phenny> palindrome is defined as:-
19:01:21 <sh1mmer> bah
19:01:22 <phenny> 1. a word or phrase that reads the same backward as forward
19:01:29 <Arnia> .w e-language
19:01:32 <phenny> I couldn't find e-language in WordNet.
19:01:35 <sh1mmer> its not my fault wn doesn't do synonims
19:01:44 <Arnia> Baaah
19:01:44 <eikeon> """
19:01:45 <eikeon> [11:15] <Monty> Every single day, you scratch software, apparently.
19:01:45 <eikeon> [11:15] <deltab> yeah eikeon, what's up with that?
19:01:46 <eikeon> """
19:01:47 <Monty> Mobibot: google qtek 8080 = x
19:01:48 <crschmidt> racecar, a man a plan a canal panama, madam im adam
19:02:04 <crschmidt> examples of palindromes
19:02:18 <eikeon> deltab, Yeah... I'm still trying to figure that out myself.
19:03:44 <Arnia> * Arnia watches Gardeners' World
19:03:54 <crschmidt> I'll Gardner you're world!
19:05:32 <Arnia> Ugh... I hate Chris Beardshaw. I hope he never becomes the head BBC gardener
19:09:00 <crschmidt> .w oligarchy
19:09:03 <phenny> oligarchy is defined as:-
19:09:06 <phenny> 1. a political system governed by a few people
19:09:16 <crschmidt> hm.
19:10:00 <Arnia> .w plutocracy
19:10:02 <phenny> plutocracy is defined as:-
19:10:05 <phenny> 1. a political system governed by the wealthy people
19:10:58 <sh1mmer> .w USA
19:11:00 <phenny> USA is defined as:-
19:11:03 <phenny> 1. North American republic containing 50 states - 48 conterminous states in North America plus Alaska in northwest North America and the Hawaiian Islands in the Pacific Ocean; achieved independence in 1776
19:11:05 <sh1mmer> oh wait Arnia just did that
19:11:05 <sh1mmer> :P
19:11:07 <phenny> 2. the army of the United States of America; organizes and trains soldiers for land warfare
19:11:12 <sbp> heh, heh
19:11:28 <Arnia> * Arnia likes definition 2
19:11:39 <sh1mmer> * sh1mmer chuckles
19:11:40 <crschmidt> .acronym USA
19:11:47 <phenny> USA: United States of America -/- Ulhasnagar Sindhi Association -/- Uncle Sam's Army -/- Unconventional Stellar Aspect -/- Under Secretary of the Army -/- Underground Service Alert -/- Underground Sewer Adapter -/- Underwriting Service Assistant (insurance) -/- Unicycling Society of America -/- Uniform Securities Act -/- Uniform System of Accounts -/- Union of South Africa
19:12:07 <crschmidt> Interesting, US Army isn't in there.
19:12:18 <sbp> Uncle Sam's Army
19:12:23 <crschmidt> Yeah, yeah.
19:12:31 <crschmidt> But not as United States Army
19:13:19 <sbp> thinking about returning the first wordnet result only, incidentally
19:13:36 <sbp> <phenny> plutocracy: 1. a political system governed by the wealthy people
19:13:40 <Arnia> Uncle Sam always reminding me of a circus ringleader. Always thought that was appropriate
19:21:07 <sbp> *** sbp has kicked JohnG_ from #swhack
19:22:07 <crschmidt> Whose idea was it to put ' next to enter?
19:22:21 <Arnia> This is fun, my mum is giving me gossip about all botanists on this issue of Gardeners' World (a special edition about native plants)
19:22:23 <crschmidt> Typewriters, I suppose, wanted people to slow dewn?
19:22:34 <kpreid> crschmidt: well, *something* had to be there.
19:22:44 <jsled> well, the funny thing about typewriters is it doesn't matter.
19:22:46 <crschmidt> kpreid: right, but why not, i dunno. Z or something.
19:23:04 <jsled> just scroll the page back and move the carriage back over...
19:23:13 <crschmidt> yeah, but that had to be annoying then too...
19:23:15 <jsled> we need a special "send" key.
19:23:20 <crschmidt> And it doesn't matter in most situations now, I guess.
19:23:27 <crschmidt> When I'm typing an HTML doc, if I hit
19:23:29 <crschmidt> instead of '
19:23:33 <jsled> that's not <RET>
19:23:36 <crschmidt> it's not a big deal, i just backspace.
19:25:48 <sh1mmer> sbp or just a bit kinky
19:25:54 <sbp> mraw
19:26:10 <sbp> hmm
19:26:13 <jsled> hmm. rick james is dead (, bitch)?
19:26:18 <sbp> I could fold both the definitions on one line
19:26:31 <sbp> but only if they both come to under 250 characters
19:26:34 <crschmidt> I'm Rick James, bitch!
19:27:04 <sh1mmer> Arnia because it pisses me right [off]
19:27:35 <Arnia> It makes the logs confusing
19:27:43 <sbp> and it's easy to alias in most clients
19:28:04 <sh1mmer> * sh1mmer is a lazy biatch
19:28:14 <crschmidt> monty?
19:28:17 <Monty> [xchat just pay more swollen-headed and misspelling.
19:28:23 <crschmidt> thank you.
19:29:54 <crschmidt> * crschmidt tickles morbus.
19:30:07 <jsled> http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&e=7&u=/ap/20040806/ap_on_en_mu/obit_james
19:30:09 <Morbus> tee hee!
19:30:18 <sh1mmer> crschmidt do I have to pay extra for that?
19:30:18 <Morbus> i'm rick james bitch!
19:30:24 <Morbus> is wayne brady gonna have to choke a bitch?
19:30:27 <jsled> heh.
19:30:28 <crschmidt> oh dear :(
19:31:49 <jsled> is marsha brady gonna have to choke a bitch?
19:32:42 <crschmidt> hm. cid and e are apparently not needed in that URL.
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19:33:59 <woundown> what happened/
19:34:21 <sbp> hmm not sure
19:34:23 <crschmidt> 13:31:09 -!- woundown [~JohnG@pcp04263156pcs.fairmt01.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)]
19:34:27 <crschmidt> oh.
19:35:01 <sbp> wb woundown
19:35:43 <crschmidt> So...
19:35:46 <crschmidt> Rick James died.
19:35:50 <crschmidt> Does this really mean anything?
19:35:53 <woundown> ok
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19:36:05 <crschmidt> I mean, now we can't really say "I'm rick james, bitch"
19:36:16 <jsled> that's a good point.
19:36:18 <crschmidt> Because then someone would go "you're dead!"
19:36:27 <sal> *** sal (~salvatore@63.148.194.184) has joined #swhack
19:36:33 <crschmidt> And that would kind of destroy the point.
19:36:37 <jsled> a whole pop-culture comedic device, removed. Just like that.
19:36:47 <jsled> it's a sad, sad day.
19:36:52 <crschmidt> Indeed.
19:37:03 <crschmidt> [[[
19:37:03 <crschmidt> In general, if you think something isn't in Perl, try it out, because it
19:37:04 <crschmidt> usually is. :-)
19:37:04 <crschmidt> -- Larry Wall in <1991Jul31.174523.9447@netlabs.com>
19:37:05 <crschmidt> ]]]
19:37:20 <sbp> heh
19:43:32 <laplink> This, BTW, includes "cruft". In the ineterest
19:43:44 <laplink> ^Winterest of fairness.
20:01:36 <crschmidt> [[[
20:01:36 <crschmidt> Will you loan me $20.00 and only give me ten of it?
20:01:37 <crschmidt> That way, you will owe me ten, and I'll owe you ten, and we'll be even!
20:01:38 <crschmidt> ]]]
20:02:07 <sh1mmer> heh
20:02:13 <crschmidt> Too bad that doesn't work in real life.
20:02:21 <sh1mmer> only on stupid people
20:02:52 <sh1mmer> try on george bush with a few 000s on the end
20:06:11 <Monty> ChanServ and sbp sitting in a tree...
20:06:31 <Arnia> Shut up Monty
20:06:32 <Monty> What does that suggest to you ?
20:06:45 <Arnia> Monty: you're an idiot?
20:06:48 <Monty> I reckon bottom + rhubarb = libs!
20:07:07 <Arnia> Monty: She won't be happy to hear that :p
20:07:10 <Monty> Bye Talliesin or if it's common ports are my eyes open standards are
20:07:11 <sh1mmer> haha
20:07:14 <sbp> indeed not...
20:07:18 <sh1mmer> Arnia lucky she is on holiday
20:07:30 <sh1mmer> she doesn't have to listen to Monty's filth
20:07:30 <Monty> Do you feel strongly about discussing such things ?
20:07:32 <sbp> wow, it must be holidayin' season
20:07:53 <sh1mmer> * sh1mmer writes august on sbp's retinas
20:07:58 <jsled> Damn holiday-takers.
20:08:11 <sh1mmer> gawd bless laser pens
20:08:20 <sbp> er, it tends to change every month
20:08:35 <sbp> thank goodness for welders' masks
20:08:51 <Arnia> sbp: Kinda kinky to wear one of those all the time
20:09:33 <sh1mmer> maybe it reminds him of sweaty muscley men in just pinnies
20:09:50 <Arnia> sh1mmer: That is just you I believe
20:10:00 <sh1mmer> Hey I like my life.
20:10:00 <Arnia> sh1mmer: I've told you to avoid those metalwork bars
20:10:27 <sh1mmer> sbp there we go again with the lowering of the tone.
20:10:32 <sh1mmer> *ahem* sorry
20:12:14 <sbp> well we like having neo85/boosa-like people in the channel as long as it results in our removal of their tree files
20:12:36 <sh1mmer> pruning you might say
20:12:38 <sbp> whoops. I let the plan slip
20:12:55 <crschmidt> you let the plan slip, i'll let the pants slit
20:12:58 <crschmidt> slip
20:13:03 <crschmidt> damnit, spoiled my own joke
20:13:11 <sbp> slit sounds better
20:13:16 <sh1mmer> crschmidt some pants come with a slit already
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20:13:23 <sh1mmer> although oddly it costs more like that
20:13:25 <sh1mmer> dunno why
20:13:36 <Arnia> mm... slit
20:13:37 <sbp> someone has to make that slit, you know
20:13:43 <sbp> and making means wages
20:13:53 <sh1mmer> not necesarlly
20:13:58 <sbp> machine controller
20:13:59 <crschmidt> heh. kind of long quote, but good:
20:14:01 <crschmidt> [[[
20:14:01 <crschmidt> All programmers are optimists. Perhaps this modern sorcery especially attracts
20:14:01 <crschmidt> those who believe in happy endings and fairy godmothers. Perhaps the hundreds
20:14:01 <crschmidt> of nitty frustrations drive away all but those who habitually focus on the end
20:14:04 <crschmidt> goal. Perhaps it is merely that computers are young, programmers are younger,
20:14:06 <crschmidt> and the young are always optimists. But however the selection process works,
20:14:09 <crschmidt> the result is indisputable: "This time it will surely run," or "I just found
20:14:11 <crschmidt> the last bug."
20:14:14 <crschmidt> -- Frederick Brooks, "The Mythical Man Month"
20:14:16 <crschmidt> ]]]
20:14:18 <sh1mmer> they could just lower their pants standards and let slips occur naturally
20:15:09 <sh1mmer> and slits
20:15:17 <sh1mmer> slips about slits
20:28:37 <sbp> TV Scrabble ruling lost for words (in this case, "LEZ"): http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3542570.stm
20:28:38 <swhacker> posted 532
20:29:38 <sh1mmer> i thoughtyou werent allowed abbv
20:29:39 <sbp> 532:Not sure whether to chuckle or grumble. Chumble? Is that a Scrabbalian word? What about Scrabbalian, for that matter?
20:30:50 <sh1mmer> gruckle sounds better than chumble
20:34:18 <jsled> in another story on that topic, the author mentioned the irony that the word 'redskin' couldn't be played on the Scrabble game televised on ESPN.
20:35:20 <sbp> heh
20:36:25 <jsled> hmm... first time in a few months I've needed to put pants and a shirt on ... it's getting chilly, agian.
20:36:35 <jsled> er, again.
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21:18:17 <crschmidt> Meh. People who respond to queries in channel in PM bother me.
21:18:27 <crschmidt> "So, foo, what do you think about bar?"
21:18:32 <kpreid> * kpreid too!
21:18:35 <crschmidt> Does not require you to pm me.
21:19:03 <crschmidt> * crschmidt kicks jsled.
21:19:25 <crschmidt> (He PMed me :P)
21:20:49 <sbp> heh, heh
21:26:04 <sh1mmer> i was going to pm you to be amusing
21:26:15 <sh1mmer> but then i realised that noone would see the joke
21:26:25 <sh1mmer> * sh1mmer damns his excibitionist tendancies
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21:31:37 <Arnia> * Arnia pats sh1mmer on the head
21:31:43 <Arnia> The logo has been sent btw
21:31:47 <sh1mmer> yeah
21:31:57 <sh1mmer> been having trouble oopening it
21:32:03 <sh1mmer> think it might be the gprs
21:32:19 <Arnia> Same format as before, but yeah - that would do it
21:33:06 <Arnia> Hmmm I wonder if using Cyc to describe MeNow:thinking is going too far
21:33:23 <Arnia> More appropriately, use ThoughtTreasure
21:34:04 <jsled> yes.
21:36:36 <sh1mmer> TT might work.
21:37:29 <Arnia> The Cyc-grounded TT vocab
21:37:46 <Arnia> I'm so glad Erik Mueller did that
21:38:00 <sh1mmer> Isn't he at IBM?
21:38:20 <Arnia> Yeah, I think so
21:38:32 <sh1mmer> Are you thinking what I am thinking?
21:38:45 <Arnia> Yes. Do it
21:39:00 <sh1mmer> Ok.
21:39:03 <Arnia> * Arnia smiles and ticks another checkbox on his list
21:39:08 <sh1mmer> Heh.
21:39:19 <sh1mmer> Haven't we wanted a way to establish that link for a while?
21:39:37 <Arnia> Oh yes. But its always satisfying to be able to do so
21:39:45 <sh1mmer> Right right
21:43:46 <Arnia> mm... its a huge ontology though
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22:13:16 <kandinski> hey
22:13:18 <phenny> kandinski: 12:25Z <jsled> tell kandinski I will have my revenge.
22:13:22 <phenny> kandinski: 12:26Z <jsled> tell kandinski that he should wait paitently for that time to come
22:13:26 <phenny> kandinski: 12:26Z <jsled> tell kandinski that, unfortuantely I can't tell him when that time will be.
22:13:40 <kandinski> hey
22:13:49 <jsled> heh
22:13:55 <kandinski> that is randomness for you
22:14:15 <kandinski> but boy was I chuffed
22:15:37 <Arnia> Revenge is a dish best served with a nice chianti
22:16:23 <kandinski> yep
22:16:25 <kandinski> and faves
22:18:47 <jsled> speaking of food and wine ... see ya'll later
22:19:04 <kandinski> hey
22:19:08 <kandinski> coward!
22:19:11 <kandinski> hahahaha
22:19:22 <kandinski> RUN AWAY, YOU BETTER!!!!
22:19:27 <jsled> heh
22:19:46 <jsled> should I pull my tail between my legs as well, sire?
22:20:38 <jsled> bah; nevermind ... that's not as funny without the voice in my head.
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22:25:07 <kandinski> heh
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23:20:38 <sh1mmer> and quietness decsends
23:21:12 <kandinski> it does cecsend
23:21:23 <kandinski> also cqisjednds some times
23:21:24 <sh1mmer> and possibly upend
23:21:27 <sbp> Good evening, and welcome to Swhackers! Featuring Kandinski O'Bell.
23:21:28 <Samsung> *** Samsung (~samsung@217.140.39.129) has joined #swhack
23:21:34 <sbp> hey there Samsung
23:21:37 <kandinski> quick snotd: in Spanish, it dsiqiuecenciñaslende
23:21:41 <sh1mmer> * sh1mmer waveth
23:21:42 <Samsung> hey sbp
23:21:46 <kandinski> /end snotd
23:21:49 <kandinski> gotta go to bed
23:21:52 <kandinski> cheers all
23:21:55 <sbp> welcome to Swhack. this is a publicly logged channel, so don't say anything that'd destroy your potential future political career
23:22:05 <Samsung> :)
23:22:38 <Moira> *** Moira is now known as MoiraA
23:23:11 <sh1mmer> sbp can you amuse me. I am reaching a dark moment.
23:23:30 <sh1mmer> One of those has a question mark, pick which one you prefer.
23:23:32 <sbp> Samsung: what's up?
23:23:54 <Samsung> nothing :)
23:24:02 <sh1mmer> The sky is up
23:24:05 <sh1mmer> (I hope)
23:24:22 <sbp> okay...
23:24:24 <Arnia> Samsung means to come
23:24:32 <Samsung> huh?
23:24:35 <sbp> Samsung: see swhack.com for more details of what this channel's about
23:24:48 <Arnia> * Arnia watches some Young-Hae Chang
23:25:05 <sh1mmer> we have a .com
23:25:06 <sh1mmer> ?
23:25:15 <sh1mmer> * sh1mmer charges sbp by the minute for his attendance
23:26:02 <MoiraA> Samsung!
23:26:11 <sh1mmer> ooh! Program on Stan Tracy
23:26:11 <MoiraA> I told you this was NOT a good moment to pick to come here
23:26:27 <MoiraA> ffs give these guys a break
23:26:39 <MoiraA> they don't want to have to investigate every newcomer
23:26:51 <Samsung> well tell them that they dont need to investigate me
23:26:57 <sh1mmer> MoiraA I couldn't care less to be honest
23:26:58 <MoiraA> coming in just to see the fun isn't funny right now
23:27:03 <sh1mmer> sbp might though.
23:27:03 <sbp> I do it by routine anyway
23:27:05 <MoiraA> I just feel sorry for sbp
23:27:14 <MoiraA> he comes on IRC to relax no doubt like we all do
23:27:22 <MoiraA> and has to deal with my hangers on
23:27:28 <Samsung> i come on for some chat.
23:27:32 <MoiraA> sorry samsung, I'm not putting you in the same class as John
23:27:33 <sbp> well, they're not as bad as d8uv's
23:27:38 <MoiraA> I didn't mean to be rude
23:27:44 <Samsung> its ok :)
23:27:47 <sbp> man, d8uv could tell you some stories that'd make you weep
23:27:51 <MoiraA> ok, chat, that's fine
23:28:02 <sh1mmer> sbp you a jazz fan?
23:28:18 <sbp> sh1mmer: on and off. jazz is a wide genre
23:28:38 <sh1mmer> indeed, but there is another cool looking bbc4 on 2 show
23:28:58 <sh1mmer> i acutally have all the channels on sky but i cant be bothered to walk down stairs
23:29:11 <Samsung> get a powermid :)
23:29:22 <sbp> nkffl for example. we had him in the other channel for a while, and he was a persistent absolute dork--shouting racist slogans and stuff eventually, so we kicked him out. he got practically *everyone* he knew to come in and plead his case. even some practical strangers who had no idea what was going on!
23:29:57 <sbp> so eventually we had to resort to asking them to leave, all in Babelfish'd French. it was somewhat surreal, but spectacularly funny (were it not for the dementedness of poor nkffl) too
23:30:31 <sh1mmer> I think that some times we feed on the surrealness of it all
23:31:05 <Samsung> what nationality are the majority in here?
23:31:51 <sbp> probably USA trailed by UK
23:32:05 <sh1mmer> Not the other way around?
23:32:12 <sbp> dunno, let's count
23:32:14 <Samsung> im British
23:32:20 <sh1mmer> ""
23:32:40 <sbp> USA: crschmidt, d8uv, deusx, GabeW, jsled, kpreid, re-monk, thelsdj
23:33:09 <sbp> UK: Arnia, deltab, hamm_, Jibbler, MoiraA, sbp/sbp`, Samsung, sh1mmer
23:33:17 <sbp> 8 a piece
23:33:30 <MoiraA> yeah fairly well balanced
23:33:42 <sbp> eaon unknown though
23:33:46 <sh1mmer> Austrian
23:33:51 <sbp> yep
23:34:03 <Arnia> We're training him to be British though
23:34:07 <Samsung> :D
23:34:08 <sh1mmer> heh
23:34:09 <sbp> heh#
23:34:10 <Samsung> train me too
23:34:12 <sbp> sans #
23:34:14 <Arnia> * Arnia pats Mikey on the head
23:34:29 <sh1mmer> he was talking about moving to Durham. bless.
23:34:35 <Arnia> Yay :)
23:34:38 <Samsung> im from NI :)
23:34:44 <Arnia> * Arnia pats Durham on the head
23:34:58 <sbp> hey, a non-mainlandian
23:35:00 <sh1mmer> I wish you would stop saying that
23:35:11 <Arnia> Saying what?
23:35:15 <sh1mmer> I have to keep resisting the urge to lower the tone with the obvious double entandre
23:35:27 <sh1mmer> * sh1mmer goes to put some chips in the frier to go with his fish
23:35:37 <sbp> the tone cannot be lowered further than Morbus. it's class that counts
23:35:57 <Samsung> where are you from sbp?
23:36:01 <sbp> the UK
23:36:08 <Samsung> yeah i know :P
23:36:08 <sbp> see list above
23:36:12 <Samsung> narrow it down a bit :D
23:36:17 <sbp> England
23:36:25 <Samsung> near MoiraA?
23:36:32 <sbp> not particularly
23:36:35 <Arnia> He's a cagey fellow this one :)
23:36:41 <sbp> wouldn't walk to her house, anyway
23:36:45 <Samsung> where abouts then? :P
23:36:52 <Arnia> * Arnia is from Buckinghamshire
23:37:01 <Samsung> nice area that is Arnia
23:37:07 <sbp> more than a day's riding from Moira
23:37:11 <Arnia> Apart from the rahs
23:37:19 <sbp> rahs?
23:37:32 <Arnia> Rah = Rich ArseHole
23:37:46 <Samsung> i see
23:37:54 <sbp> such are the home counties
23:38:07 <Samsung> * Samsung steps back
23:38:09 <Arnia> Buckinghamshire is one of the worst
23:38:20 <Arnia> * Arnia lives for half the year in Durham
23:38:26 <Arnia> So other end of the country
23:38:41 <sbp> Samsung: apparently, there's a book of things to not mention in front of Arnia. but you don't want a copy (trust me)
23:38:56 <Samsung> :P
23:39:03 <Arnia> * Arnia produces one from an inside pocket of his coat, just in case
23:39:27 <Samsung> is Moira always this quiet?
23:40:43 <MoiraA> I don't talk a lot
23:40:51 <sbp> I'd say that rather we are boorish
23:40:52 <MoiraA> but I'm frankly rather reeling from tonight
23:40:54 <sh1mmer> MoiraA busy looking good instead?
23:41:03 <MoiraA> and talking to some good friends about it
23:41:06 <sbp> as sh1mmer marvellously demonstrates
23:41:15 <MoiraA> just trying to get a bit calmer
23:41:21 <Arnia> * Arnia kicks sh1mmer into a bucket of lard
23:41:25 <sh1mmer> * sh1mmer was just trying to be nice about someone he knows nowt about
23:41:26 <Samsung> im completely hyped tonight for some reason
23:41:39 <Arnia> Samsung: Where in NI are you from?
23:41:41 <sh1mmer> I am boorish and a tad irating and very weird.
23:41:43 <sbp> Samsung: odd. it's not even a full moon
23:41:43 <Samsung> co Down
23:41:53 <Arnia> Samsung: Cool... where abouts?
23:42:02 <Samsung> Lisburn
23:42:33 <Arnia> Is that anywhere near Donnaghee (or however you spell it)?
23:42:37 <Samsung> Lisburn is actually co Antrim, but im just across the border :)
23:42:41 <Samsung> Donnaghadee
23:42:44 <Samsung> i have no idea :P
23:42:50 <Arnia> Oh thanks
23:43:00 <Samsung> dunno if it has 2 ns or not :)
23:43:07 <Arnia> * Arnia is terrible with spelling at the best of times
23:43:16 <Samsung> * Samsung isnt too bad at spelling
23:43:24 <Arnia> I'm someone who really shouldn't be let loose with Irish names :)
23:43:31 <sbp> @google fight Donaghadee Donnaghadee
23:43:33 <Samsung> :D
23:43:38 <supybot> sbp: 'Donaghadee': 14500, 'Donnaghadee': 9
23:43:43 <sbp> one n
23:43:47 <Samsung> :)
23:43:56 <Samsung> im going to look and see where it is
23:44:10 <Samsung> could be anywhere as far as im concerned :P
23:45:47 <Samsung> can anyone give good advice on hardware
23:45:49 <Samsung> ?
23:46:09 <sh1mmer> @google fight "hokie kokie" "birdie dance"
23:46:12 <supybot> sh1mmer: 'birdie dance': 25800, 'hokie kokie': 11
23:46:26 <Arnia> Hokey Cokey
23:46:29 <sh1mmer> ta
23:46:34 <sh1mmer> @google fight "hokie cokey" "birdie dance"
23:46:36 <supybot> sh1mmer: 'birdie dance': 25700, 'hokie cokey': 10
23:46:44 <sh1mmer> * sh1mmer cant speel for tufee ;)
23:46:44 <Samsung> still wrong :P
23:47:02 <Samsung> @google fight "hokey cokey" "birdie dance"
23:47:05 <supybot> Samsung: 'birdie dance': 25800, 'hokey cokey': 2750
23:47:12 <Samsung> :P
23:47:31 <sh1mmer> birdie dance still owns it
23:47:31 <Arnia> phenny, Monty wants a chat
23:47:34 <Monty> I've hooked up in Scotland have money?
23:48:21 <Samsung> is Powercolor any good?
23:48:31 <sbp> heh. not a single person has got that syntax right yet
23:48:48 <sbp> phenny: Monty wants to chat
23:48:51 <Monty> You don't know how to magnify calculator?
23:48:53 <phenny> Monty: That is interesting. Please continue.
23:48:56 <Monty> Well, film collection is rather like unmoveable shoelaces!!!
23:49:01 <phenny> Monty: What are your feelings now ?
23:49:01 <Monty> gah
23:49:04 <phenny> Monty: In what way ?
23:49:04 <Monty> sweet!
23:49:24 <sbp> sweet gah? hmm
23:49:38 <Arnia> * Arnia lays claim to 'gah'
23:49:54 <Samsung> Arnia - Donaghadee isnt that far from Lisburn.
23:50:04 <Arnia> Samsung: I thought not :)
23:50:28 <Samsung> estimate 30mins drive
23:51:20 <Arnia> I know someone from Donaghadee *glares at sh1mmer not to comment*
23:51:48 <Samsung> 'fraid i dont know anyone from there :P
23:52:02 <Samsung> whats their surname? might know it
23:52:10 <Arnia> Lewis
23:52:18 <Samsung> nah, sorry
23:52:49 <Samsung> anyone watched BB?
23:52:57 <Samsung> (Big Brother)
23:53:24 <Samsung> MoiraA is probably sick of hearing about it :D
23:53:40 <sh1mmer> no
23:53:44 <sh1mmer> I have taste.
23:54:00 <Samsung> :P
23:54:15 <MoiraA> I don't have a problem with you chatting about Big Brother :)
23:54:23 <MoiraA> feel free
23:54:27 <sbp> I do! we have taste around here you know!
23:54:35 <Samsung> thats mean :P
23:54:47 <Samsung> ok, ill not talk about it :)
23:54:49 <sbp> I don't think Moira letting you chat is mean at all
23:54:57 <sbp> oh, mean to us you mean?
23:55:03 <Samsung> no, the comment about taste :D
23:55:09 <Arnia> * Arnia is mean to sbp every day
23:55:19 <sbp> what, do you mean?
23:55:40 <Arnia> Take the the book, go on... sign... *evil smile*
23:55:52 <Samsung> what are you on about Arnia? :P
23:56:51 <sbp> you already had my "secretary" writhing on the floor. I ain't falling for it
23:57:27 <Samsung> * Samsung finds some decent music to put on
23:58:29 <sbp> hehe:
23:58:29 <sbp> [00:27] * andyx (~andyx@208.179.25.158) has joined #
23:58:29 <sbp> [00:28] <andyx> what is the nature of this channel
23:58:29 <sbp> [00:38] * andyx (~andyx@208.179.25.158) Quit ("CGI:IRC 0.4.3 [EOF]")
23:58:29 <sbp> [00:47] <TravisBa1ker> the nature of this channel is that people come and go before their questions are generally answered
23:58:42 <sbp> (it's very true, incidentally)
23:59:02 <Samsung> ;p
23:59:22 <Arnia> Samsung: Do you mean to come?
23:59:40 <sh1mmer> at least he didn't cum and go
23:59:44 <sh1mmer> look on the bright side
23:59:46 <sbp> he just came? where?
23:59:52 <sh1mmer> we would have t make a bot for cleaning
23:59:53 <Arnia> * Arnia recites www.yhchang.com
23:59:59 <Samsung> Arnia? what are you on about? :)