00:00:48 <Talliesin> That's like the kind of effect Wesley Crusher nearly got kicked out of starfleet academy for deliberately causing when another cadet lost his life.
00:00:56 <Talliesin> Wow, that was nerdy even for me.
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00:03:56 <sbp> yeah, I remember that
00:15:28 <jsled> that was a good episode, though.
00:15:37 <jsled> two-part, I think. the whole trial and everything.
00:15:49 <xover> Did they eventually kill him? Please tell me they finally killed him!
00:16:21 <jsled> Who, Wesley? No way. He became one with the universe...
00:16:25 <xover> He was annoying even for a TNG character.
00:16:55 <jsled> He learned from ... The Traveler, I believe ... and like phased away.
00:17:23 <jsled> It was the first blatently homosexual experience on tv. I remember it well.
00:17:27 <jsled> no, wait.
00:17:44 <jsled> sorry, wrong video tape. nevermind.
00:18:41 <jsled> * jsled wanders away...
00:18:42 <Arnia> jsled: I think My Beautiful Laundrette precedes that some
00:18:43 <crschmidt> Ghyll Question. There is now an "Alezan Pantheon" phantom. Do we define that after Z?
00:21:50 <Morbus> yep
00:22:11 <Arnia> Question, can I label formulae in N3?
00:22:52 <sbp> not easily
00:22:54 <sbp> :- might do it
00:23:35 <Arnia> Thanks. I'm currently working on determiner binding :)
00:23:49 <Arnia> * Arnia whistles whilst he builds Big Brother
00:24:25 <Arnia> @forall is still valid isn't it?
00:24:26 <supybot> Arnia: Error: 'forall' is not a valid command.
00:25:21 <Monty> crschmidt: You asked me to remind you to look at sbp's lexicon blurbs
00:25:30 <crschmidt> yeah, thanks monty, already did
00:25:31 <Monty> Oh! I be that then ;-)
00:28:22 <Arnia> Such a helpful bot
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00:28:51 <sbp> yes
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00:30:31 <Monty> hey [2]dydimustk
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00:31:21 <Morbus> sbp: this word boundary thing is ridiculous.
00:33:41 <Morbus> i'm giving up on it.
00:35:06 <Talliesin> What you doing with word boundaries?
00:36:06 <Morbus> i don't even want to talk about it anymore.
00:36:24 <Morbus> nutshell: mediawiki, full text mysql searching, MATCH, BOOLEAN, and searching for "four".
00:36:24 <Talliesin> Implementing UAX 29?
00:36:32 <Morbus> SELECT * from searchindex where si_text LIKE '%four%';
00:36:43 <Morbus> SELECT * from searchindex where MATCH (si_text) AGAINST ('+four' IN BOOLEAN MODE);
00:36:49 <Morbus> the first works, the second doesn;t
00:37:05 <Talliesin> Ah.
00:37:42 <Talliesin> I too frequently dismiss MySQL as not ACID enough for me to feel comfortable using for me to learn enough that I could possibly help.
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00:38:13 <Talliesin> Anyway FOAF-Galway rocked.
00:38:26 <Talliesin> Indeed no-doubt still rocks for those still there.
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01:00:45 <Morbus> sbp: i've decided that MW's search is totally retarded.
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01:00:48 <Morbus> it won't even find the word "four"
01:01:50 <sbp> eek
01:02:07 <sbp> why not? is it to do with word length?
01:02:15 <Morbus> nope, MW is just retarded.
01:02:19 <Morbus> for one, we're using MysQL 4.
01:02:24 <Morbus> so that enables the full text searching.
01:02:53 <Morbus> and I can do an immediate compare between old searching with LIKE and new searching with MATCH (see statements above), and LIKE works, MATCH doesn't.
01:03:04 <Morbus> unfortunately, I can mod the code to do LIKE with word boundaries.
01:03:11 <Morbus> and that will properly match " four ".
01:03:23 <Morbus> BUT, the search results will always hilight embedded.
01:03:35 <Morbus> so we'll always see "suspect" sooner then EC
01:03:40 <Morbus> its ridiculous
01:06:35 <sbp> filed a bug report? do they have good turnaround times on reported bugs?
01:06:36 <Morbus> the other problem is that my hack would break on multiword searches
01:06:40 <Morbus> ahahahah.
01:06:49 <sbp> guess not then. hmm
01:06:55 <sbp> well it's a lot better than kwiki anyway...
01:06:58 <Morbus> i'll add one anyways
01:07:00 <Morbus> yeah, it is.
01:07:30 <sbp> no wiki's going to be perfect. still, you'd think that they wouldn't have such a basic bit of pitifulness in there
01:07:39 <Morbus> well, they're trying to be cool.
01:07:46 <Morbus> the full text in mysql 4 is supposed to be awesome.
01:07:51 <Morbus> but damned if i know why it sucks <g>
01:08:26 <sbp> oh, so it *should* work?
01:09:21 <Morbus> from what i can tell, yes, its supposed to.
01:09:24 <Morbus> well, wait, not,.
01:09:28 <Morbus> for "four" its supposed to.
01:09:33 <Morbus> for "EC", no, that's a MySQL hack I did.
01:09:42 <Morbus> but, after said hack, it should have.
01:10:10 <sbp> sounds more like a MySQL bug then. does MySQL return what you expect it to?
01:10:22 <Morbus> nope.
01:10:28 <Morbus> only if I use the older LIKE.
01:12:44 <sbp> Encyclopedant Calendar looks cool now
01:12:53 <sbp> and right, MySQL bug then?
01:13:35 <Morbus> I dunno. Could be just a SQL statement that doesn't do what they want.
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01:18:45 <Morbus> http://bugzilla.wikipedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=278
01:19:31 <sbp> annoying wrap width
01:20:13 <Morbus> ew.
01:20:15 <Morbus> didn't even notice
01:20:26 <Morbus> so, i'm tech'd out tonight.
01:20:30 <Morbus> i'm going off to play games.
01:20:34 <sbp> "ARggGh!" - good summary
01:20:37 <Morbus> we gotta edit and EPR those three new entries
01:20:37 <sbp> Ghyll is a game!
01:20:46 <sbp> yeah
01:21:20 <Morbus> another new usr
01:21:40 <sbp> Qwentyth Pyre?
01:21:46 <sbp> Qwentyth?
01:22:08 <Morbus> oooh, now i can try that stupid "leave comment" (+) on the discussion pages.
01:22:38 <Morbus> pff.
01:22:45 <Morbus> it's just a mocking of a header/sig
01:23:11 <Morbus> with the subject used as the commit comment
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01:23:26 <Monty> Speak of the devil, it's redlandbot!
01:23:29 <crschmidt> it is!
01:23:31 <Morbus> * Morbus runs off.
01:23:41 <sbp> enjoy your playings
01:23:52 <Morbus> playing Viewtiful Joe.
01:23:54 <Morbus> it /rules/
01:24:03 <sbp> .g "Viewtiful Joe"
01:24:05 <phenny> "Viewtiful Joe": http://www.capcom.com/v-joe/
01:24:25 <Morbus> henshin a-go-go, baby1
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01:47:29 <sbp> d'oh: [[[
01:47:29 <sbp> This is just to let everyone know that Yosi Scharf has been ill, and
01:47:29 <sbp> though he is on the road to recovery, this may be many weeks.
01:47:39 <sbp> ]]] - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-cwm-talk/2004JulSep/0028
01:47:42 <sbp> hope he feels better
01:48:31 <sbp> DanC thinks about ZeroInstall: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-cwm-talk/2004JulSep/0029
01:49:28 <d8uv> Indeed. Being sick sucks.
01:50:05 <d8uv> "It's a python program.
01:50:13 <d8uv> " -- Dan Connolly
01:50:27 <sbp> hmm, http://www.gedanken.demon.co.uk/wwwoffle/ seems like an archiverProxy-similar tool
01:54:29 <crschmidt> * crschmidt set up remote ping to redlandbot until he builds one in, hopefully won't time out
01:56:30 <Arnia> * Arnia huggles redlandbot
01:57:45 <crschmidt> needs a better name
01:58:51 <Arnia> Julie
01:59:42 <crschmidt> why Julie?
02:00:07 <Arnia> Its a nice name
02:00:18 <sbp> agreed
02:00:18 <crschmidt> heh
02:00:35 <sbp> look crschmidt, when Arnia and I agree on something it is TIME FOR REVOLUTION
02:00:59 <sbp> of course, I might be secretly disagreeing with him, but it's doubtful
02:01:09 <sbp> <Lucy> When I mean something, I say that I mean what I say!
02:02:07 <sbp> call it huggle
02:02:21 <sbp> then it'll force Arnia to do * Arnia huggles huggle
02:02:26 <sbp> oh, oh, call it "himself"
02:02:44 <sbp> "MargaretThatcher"
02:03:13 <sbp> "AnUnhugglableThing"
02:05:28 <crschmidt> Hm.
02:05:36 <crschmidt> Julie is registered, but hasn't been seen in a year.
02:06:24 <crschmidt> the +m in #freenode is annoying
02:11:00 <sbp> yeah
02:11:13 <crschmidt> i'm wondering whether freenode eventually drops nicknames
02:14:10 <xover> Yes. There's a timeout, but expiery for registered nicks is manual. See the Freenode FAQ for details.
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02:14:45 <crschmidt> heh, thanks xover
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02:14:54 <crschmidt> i looked in all the other pages except FAQ
02:15:05 <crschmidt> i guess i just assumed since i was asking it, no one else would be ;)
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02:17:06 <Monty> hey sbp
02:17:37 <sbp> hi Monty
02:17:41 <Monty> lemme get confused with rpm has an API for "Senior .NET programmers" :-(
02:18:31 <xover> That would be right confusing, yeah.
02:20:28 <sbp> gobolinux a la Monty, Monty?
02:20:28 <Monty> Does talking about this bother you ?
02:20:37 <sbp> Monty: does talking about what bother me?
02:20:38 <Monty> clearly.
02:20:49 <sbp> Monty: what is what?
02:20:51 <Monty> somehow "deserted" stuck with MW searches
02:20:53 <crschmidt> foo, Monty?
02:20:55 <Monty> .w matriarch 1. an electrical storm
02:20:59 <phenny> I couldn't find matriarch 1. an electrical storm in WordNet.
02:20:59 <crschmidt> heh
02:21:03 <sbp> :-)
02:25:41 <crschmidt> bleh, finding a staffer is difficult :P
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02:33:28 <sbp> no, /nick willshagircops would do it better
02:33:40 <crschmidt> heh
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02:35:37 <Arnia> * Arnia hugs julie
02:35:43 <sbp> hey julie
02:35:47 <crschmidt> everyone, meet julie. She's like redlandbot, with personality
02:35:47 <sbp> Monty, say hi to julie
02:35:51 <Monty> fork-lift trucks's graphical Tamagotchi gazes at dolphin's bubbly Bob Marr, apparently.
02:36:14 <sbp> ^icbm Monty
02:36:15 <Monty> damp wishlists >:)
02:36:15 <julie> Query select ?lat, ?long where (?p geo:lat ?lat) (?p geo:long ?long) (?q foaf:based_near ?p) (?q foaf:nick "Monty") using foaf for <http://xmlns.com/foaf/0.1/>, geo for <http://www.w3.org/2003/01/geo/wgs84_pos#> returned no results
02:36:20 <crschmidt> heh
02:36:24 <Monty> Especially if he's contributing heavily skewed by far superior to certain historical with /, and you've assumed something, and Japanese broad coverage grammars for example
02:37:11 <sbp> Monty r u a bot???
02:37:13 <Monty> hmm, not bad precedent for redlandbot
02:37:22 <sbp> hmm indeed, Monty
02:37:27 <Monty> Moof: but generally excellent style, on me started at poetry. Is there d8uv!
02:37:47 <sbp> Monty enquires as to d8uv-nature
02:37:47 <Monty> Right...
02:40:10 <sbp> .g LANANA
02:40:42 <phenny> LANANA: http://www.lanana.org/
02:41:05 <sbp> ooh
02:42:33 <sbp> sorta wacky
02:42:40 <sbp> use Java package name convention already
02:43:00 <sbp> (possibly the one thing that Java ever got right)
02:44:10 <sbp> good name though
02:47:40 <crschmidt> [[[
02:47:42 <crschmidt> [v1.2]: The following characters have been added to represent common
02:47:42 <crschmidt> keyboard symbols that are unlikely to ever be added to Unicode proper
02:47:42 <crschmidt> since they are horribly vendor-specific. This, of course, is an
02:47:43 <crschmidt> excellent example on horrible design.
02:47:45 <crschmidt> ]]]
02:48:15 <crschmidt> (flying flag, pulldown menu, open and closed apple symbols, U+F810-U+F813
02:48:23 <sbp> heh
02:48:27 <sbp> where from?
02:49:25 <crschmidt> http://www.lanana.org/docs/unicode/unicode.txt
02:50:54 <crschmidt> anyway, bedtime
02:50:58 <crschmidt> * crschmidt waves night to all, Julie
02:51:05 <crschmidt> (she is not yet part of all.)
02:51:09 <crschmidt> (no one gave her the speech.)
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02:55:44 <Arnia> Hopefully very soon Julie (or similar) will be able to answer back
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02:58:13 <Arnia> * Arnia forsees an evil hybrid of monty and julie
02:58:14 <Monty> call to look ahead?
03:14:51 <laplink_> Hi julie. Welcome to #swhack. This channel is publicly logged, so don't say anything that would ruin your future political career. Oh, and watch out for Morbii.
03:15:03 <laplink_> * laplink_ stares defiantly at crschmidt...
03:15:23 <Arnia> ^icbm crschmidt
03:15:24 <julie> 42.9813 -71.4369 , 42.9813 -71.4369 ,
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03:15:31 <Arnia> Julie has your number
03:15:40 <Arnia> ^commandlist
03:15:40 <julie> Current commands: olb, like-pubs, like-books, img, sha, dob, pub-address, like-musicians, keywords, picOfA, contact, aim, like-same-music-as, like-musicalwork, based_near, icbm, xfn_met, kissed, mbox, phone,
03:15:57 <Arnia> ^like-pubs eaon
03:15:57 <julie> Query SELECT ?pubname WHERE (?p foaf:nick "eaon") (?p likes:pub ?pub) (?pub pubs:pubName ?pubname) using foaf for <http://xmlns.com/foaf/0.1/>, likes for <http://rdf.netalleynetworks.com/ilike/20040830#>, pubs for <http://www.csd.abdn.ac.uk/research/AgentCities/ontologies/pubs#> returned no results
03:16:01 <Arnia> ^like-pubs Arnia
03:16:02 <julie> Cuths Bar ,
03:16:14 <Arnia> Such a useful bot :)
03:16:19 <laplink> ^pic julie
03:16:31 <Arnia> ^pic Arnia
03:16:42 <Arnia> ^img Arnia
03:16:43 <julie> [http://zine.niij.org/photos/north-east-uk-may-2004/IM000154.jpg/variant/medium] ,
04:37:58 <Monty> sbp: You asked me to remind you to remind Arnia to email Jackendoff regarding argument structure of qualia in adjective restriction
04:38:57 <Arnia> Thanks
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10:06:00 <Monty> hey jsled
10:06:10 <Monty> But what does eaon have to do with the price of fish?
10:06:10 <Monty> Speak of the devil, it's crschmidt!
10:06:10 <Monty> howdy, tav|offline
10:06:10 <Monty> lo phenny
10:06:11 <NickServ> This nickname is owned by someone else
10:06:11 <NickServ> If this is your nickname, type /msg NickServ IDENTIFY <password>
10:06:18 <phenny> Hush there, Monty.
10:06:19 <Monty> Easter is dripping and Ng's!!!
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11:09:42 <verbosus> 'lo!
11:13:13 <verbosus> and behold
11:13:52 <crschmidt> a star rises in the east, a child is born?
11:14:16 <verbosus> sort of
11:14:32 <verbosus> and how is the swhack lifestyle, these days?
11:15:36 <crschmidt> quite swhackery, to be honest.
11:15:54 <verbosus> did anybody do anything incredibily stupid I should be informed of?
11:16:41 <jess> Sure. He brought me here.
11:17:08 <verbosus> Crap: Monty, who the hell is jess?
11:17:14 <Monty> RussB: Where are scattering into English, it though we're really true,or just on selling jelly at apple symbols, U+F810-U+F813
11:17:23 <verbosus> OIC
11:17:32 <jess> Monty can be so helpful.
11:17:33 <Monty> enjoy your sweet ass whippage?
11:17:43 <verbosus> see?
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13:06:12 <Monty> lemme get a mere evasion if one
13:06:29 <Morn|JTW> what?
13:06:33 <Morn|JTW> * Morn|JTW slaps Monty around a bit with a large trout
13:06:33 <Monty> Gee... Sad that isn't there is" blurbage.'
13:06:54 <Arnia> I love you Monty :)
13:06:56 <Monty> I reckon titlebar + counterpoint = decisions.
13:07:04 <Arnia> Monty: Yeah, I agree.
13:07:08 <Monty> Today, lowest unfounded ox magnifies running drawing getaway-car.
13:07:12 <Arnia> phenny: Monty wants to chat
13:07:13 <Monty> user page.
13:07:20 <phenny> Monty: Please go on.
13:07:22 <Monty> huge, industrialized, bustling, technological, tall
13:07:23 <phenny> Monty: What does that suggest to you ?
13:07:25 <Monty> six corrosive Mars Bars.
13:07:31 <phenny> Monty: Do you feel strongly about discussing such things ?
13:07:35 <Monty> (again, i mention that really want ads on the 3rd, so many lines of all.)
13:08:09 <kandinski> live from Ars Electronica
13:08:15 <Morn|JTW> Monty is insane
13:08:16 <Monty> imho
13:08:31 <kandinski> if you are interested in my ramblings, I am about to /join #aec
13:08:51 <Arnia> Monty isn't insane... he's lovable
13:08:52 <Monty> jcowan!
13:08:58 <crschmidt> heh
13:09:00 <Arnia> Where? *looks scared*
13:09:18 <kandinski> it will anly last as long as my battery does
13:09:20 <kandinski> not long
13:09:29 <Arnia> kandinski: It will last analy?
13:10:05 <kandinski> well, having a faulty battery is a bummer, right?
13:10:23 <Arnia> *groans*
13:10:36 <Arnia> ^icbm kandinski
13:10:37 <julie> Query select ?lat, ?long where (?p geo:lat ?lat) (?p geo:long ?long) (?q foaf:based_near ?p) (?q foaf:nick "kandinski") using foaf for <http://xmlns.com/foaf/0.1/>, geo for <http://www.w3.org/2003/01/geo/wgs84_pos#> returned no results
13:10:57 <Arnia> kandinski: How inconsiderate to not give me targetting information
13:12:36 <Arnia> I should probably take a break... been working for 14 hours. Monty will entertain me
13:12:50 <Monty> (no one another, and Japanese broad coverage grammars for "Agony uncle" show everything to that he does, you're even with how was on selling jelly off when cities are all in-play terms. Eventually someone better - it feels. That Do you changed outright. All of decent literature
13:12:56 <Arnia> Or maybe not... ah no, there we go :)
13:21:01 <Arnia> Right, I'm off for a nap
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13:21:52 <Morn|JTW> anyone have a frame of that scene in basic instinct with sharon stones pussy?
13:30:50 <jsled> Monty: where to find sharon stone's Pussy?
13:30:50 <Monty> done
13:31:03 <jsled> wow, that was fast. How'd you do it, Monty?
13:31:03 <Monty> woohoo!
13:31:15 <crschmidt> He's apparently excited!
13:31:27 <jsled> It wasn't that good of a movie, Monty.
13:31:29 <Monty> legislation plays with galvanometer...
13:31:42 <jess> The movie was horrible, but the sex was interesting.
13:31:50 <jess> * jess has watched Basic Instinct a time or two herself.
13:32:00 <jsled> Ain't that always the way, Monty? Like the state legislature who tired to legislate Pi to be 3.
13:32:01 <Monty> by/pay
13:32:07 <jsled> hmm. okay.
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13:36:48 <crschmidt> Hi Morby Porby
13:36:50 <crschmidt> happy friday
13:41:11 <sal> holy shit its morbus!
13:41:35 <sal> yeah the whole 'holy shit its viper' thing is lost on him, but hey there's 42 others in here.
13:41:54 <deusx> there is no morbus, only zuul
13:42:09 <sal> ahh yes, the planet morbus; i remember it well.
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13:59:35 <Morbus> hey guys.
13:59:42 <Morbus> !seen sbp
13:59:42 <Monty> sbp (sbp) was last seen by #swhack coming from vorpal.notabug.com on Fri Sep 03 11:05:54 BST 2004 when joining the channel.
14:00:02 <crschmidt> 4 hours ago.
14:00:07 <crschmidt> .seen sbp
14:00:12 <phenny> sbp seen in #swhack saying: [ where from? ] ~ 11 hr(s) 11 min(s) 42 sec(s) ago
14:00:14 <crschmidt> is probably better
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14:00:49 <Morbus> pretty soon, we're gonna need an aggregator for bot responses.
14:00:57 <crschmidt> heh
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14:06:46 <xover> We already have one; phenny proxies xena. :-)
14:06:48 <phenny> xover: 10:25Z <bjoern_> tell xover I think there was no specific reason
14:07:04 <xover> Thanks hon.
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14:38:50 <jsled> Heh ... "This thing was so fuckin' botched, I'm surprised the name of the war wasn't misspelled." http://www.mnftiu.cc/mnftiu.cc/images/war.272.gif
14:43:49 <kandinski> blob
14:52:25 <jsled> Monty: blob?
14:52:25 <sbp> *** sbp has changed the topic to: THERE IS NO PRINTER, ONLY SPUUL
14:52:29 <Monty> L3:Type in basic instinct with my meat have "much better phones and move
14:52:30 <jsled> heh
14:52:49 <sbp> Big Large Object o'Binaryness
14:52:56 <sbp> (Binary Large OBject)
14:53:27 <Talliesin> jsled, http://www.mnftiu.cc/mnftiu.cc/images/war.276.gif
14:53:49 <jsled> heh
14:55:00 <sal> oh sean. spuul?
14:55:12 <sal> whats worse? the pun, or that i get it?
14:55:58 <Talliesin> Oh and http://www.mnftiu.cc/mnftiu.cc/images/war.278.gif is so true.
14:56:12 <Talliesin> Right, it's getting to the point were I'm just Spamming the channel.
14:57:11 <jsled> I don't know ... http://www.mnftiu.cc/mnftiu.cc/images/war.249.gif is pretty true as well.
15:00:03 <Talliesin> Yeah, but I think we've moved to a general "check out this site" point, and individual links are no longer necessary.
15:00:13 <jsled> true.
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15:01:18 <redmonk> SWHACK
15:01:46 <laplink> daMonk!
15:02:14 <redmonk> 'ello laplink
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15:23:17 <eaon> * eaon sniffs :(
15:23:30 <eaon> * eaon hates being sick
15:23:35 <sbp> phenny: tell d8uv it's your turn (the conga drums); listen to the rhythm track
15:23:38 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on for you when d8uv is around.
15:23:45 <sbp> phenny: tell d8uv tracks, rather
15:23:47 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on for you when d8uv is around.
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15:34:31 <Monty> hi Moira, how ya doing?
15:34:34 <phenny> Monty: shh, don't let anyone know you're around!
15:34:35 <Monty> call it means)
15:35:09 <Moira> lo Monty!
15:35:12 <Monty> Bysted? who here is alright, for years is held in first.
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16:13:06 <d8uv> phenny: tell sbp that he should go fuck off to africa, mexico, sicily, tijuana, india, osaka, and indonesia.
16:13:08 <phenny> d8uv: I'll pass that on for you when sbp is around.
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17:01:03 <crschmidt> ^icbm crschmidt
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17:01:05 <julie> 42.9813 -71.4369 , 42.9813 -71.4369 ,
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17:06:54 <Talliesin> ^icbm Talliesin
17:06:55 <julie> 53.34 -6.27 ,
17:07:25 <Talliesin> julie's a redlandbot replacement with better command syntax?
17:07:59 <Talliesin> And a female name to keep the swhack bot gender balance?
17:09:33 <crschmidt> Talliesin: redlandbot turned into julie last night
17:09:48 <crschmidt> the command syntax imroved yesterday or the day before when i added a catchall
17:10:55 <Talliesin> good good.
17:11:05 <Talliesin> * Talliesin pats the bots' heads appreciatively.
17:19:12 <LeoS> ^info
17:19:13 <julie> I'm a Redland/Python based RDF query bot. Source in SVN at <http://crschmidt.net/svn/rdfpython/trunk/>. Commands are ^add <url>, which adds statements, ^newcommand <name> is <RDQL Query>, ^runcommand <commandname> <arguments> . ^commandlist lists current commands, ^commandlist <command> shows info on a command, ^part will have me part a channel, ^join <#chan> will have me join a channel. Talk to crschmidt for more. @@ More here
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17:20:18 <sbp> * sbp wonders if d8uv means Indoneesya
17:20:20 <phenny> sbp: 16:13Z <d8uv> tell sbp that he should go fuck off to africa, mexico, sicily, tijuana, india, osaka, and indonesia.
17:20:52 <sbp> en attente de joueurs, tapez !quizz pour lancer le Quizz!
17:21:00 <sbp> (quizbot in #)
17:21:49 <crschmidt> hey! that bot was in #test when i was starting out with redlandbot
17:21:54 <sbp> hmm
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17:30:49 <Monty> welcome, Morbus
17:32:02 <Morbus> http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=6267
17:32:06 <Morbus> crschmidt: BEES!
17:32:08 <Morbus> xover: BEES!
17:32:11 <Morbus> sbp: BEES!
17:32:46 <d8uv> BEES
17:32:57 <Morbus> d8uv: BEES!
17:33:23 <d8uv> Holy crap! Bees!
17:34:48 <Morbus> who the hell is 78.1.62.5?
17:34:57 <Morbus> i think unauth'd people CAN'T make minor edits.
17:35:01 <Morbus> cos minor edits can be hidden by admins.
17:35:07 <Morbus> and thus, spammers could slip under the radar.
17:35:21 <sbp> it's me. see the very next entry
17:35:29 <sbp> "Okay, it seems as though I simply wasn't logged in. Who doesn't eat cookies before their sell-by dates?"
17:35:42 <Morbus> ah.
17:35:43 <Morbus> heh, heh
17:36:30 <sbp> hehe. "We made eye contact, cos you know, hell, a guy holding his lobe walking down the street is pretty weird." - A Day in the Life of Morbus Iff
17:36:36 <Morbus> hehehe
17:37:50 <d8uv> Interesting encounter with the Bees though.
17:38:23 <d8uv> I wish there was a axion near me so I can get in touch with the Princess and shit.
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17:39:04 <d8uv> (Note how I don't know anything, and am just saying unrelated terms related to Bees in a failing attempt to sound cool.)
17:39:15 <Morbus> eheh
17:39:43 <sbp> it's fine, honey
17:40:21 <Morbus> awesome on the dates.
17:40:28 <d8uv> Going to fair!
17:40:30 <sbp> the CGI is a real coup
17:40:45 <Morbus> aaah, nice add on the FR editor.
17:41:54 <d8uv> Seeya!
17:42:29 <sbp> c'ya d8uv. enjoy!
17:42:34 <Morbus> sbp: we tracked the culprit down
17:42:36 <Morbus> http://bugzilla.wikipedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=278
17:42:45 <Morbus> it appears MySQL is fine, but the display code ignores word boundaries
17:43:23 <Morbus> hrm.
17:43:24 <sbp> ahh, great!
17:43:28 <sbp> you just need to add a splat
17:43:34 <Morbus> no, no.
17:43:38 <sbp> no? no?
17:43:40 <Morbus> the splat is only if we want suspect
17:43:43 <Morbus> EC is fine.
17:43:45 <Morbus> MysQL is fine.
17:43:47 <Morbus> the display code sucks
17:43:50 <sbp> oh. hmm
17:43:55 <Morbus> the display code assumes we *EC*
17:44:01 <sbp> that sucks
17:44:05 <Morbus> oh, and your FR thing has a bug.
17:44:11 <Morbus> http://inamidst.com/misc/folkrec/11231
17:44:14 <Morbus> Folktown Records edition 11231 was issued on -222/10/23 EC.
17:44:39 <sbp> oh bugger
17:48:32 <sbp> Morbus: fixed, thanks
17:48:33 <sbp> "Folktown Records edition 11231 was issued on 221/3/8 EC."
17:48:57 <Morbus> of course, now the fun will be "what edition came out this week"?
17:49:04 <Morbus> which is gonna be hellious.
17:49:11 <Morbus> you'd have to munge a few of our weeks together.
17:49:16 <sbp> hmm?
17:49:19 <sbp> easy enough
17:49:23 <Morbus> how so?
17:49:28 <Morbus> well, then again, i hate math
17:49:30 <Morbus> so, could be easy.
17:49:33 <sbp> it's a whole dates system, not just a conversion from FR# to EC
17:49:33 <Morbus> sounds satanic to me.
17:49:34 <Morbus> ;)
17:49:38 <sbp> I implemented an EC datatype
17:49:57 <Morbus> yeah, but if today is today, how does today hook into determining Ghyll's today?
17:49:57 <sbp> you pass it a date, it converts it into days since or before the epoch
17:50:01 <sbp> then it can convert back
17:50:03 <sbp> oh, I see
17:50:15 <Morbus> such that you go to the page and get a "it's current blah in ghyll, and the 333# edition was just released!"
17:50:21 <sbp> well, we're saying that one turn is equal to 1/26 of a Ghyll yar, right?
17:50:26 <sbp> er, year
17:50:28 <Morbus> yep.
17:50:39 <Morbus> well, wait.
17:50:39 <Morbus> no.
17:50:48 <Morbus> 26 turns finishes in a ghyll year
17:50:53 <Morbus> so, 1/48
17:51:01 <sbp> ...
17:51:15 <Morbus> look, i don't fucking know<g>
17:51:31 <Morbus> "It is expected that the first round of definitions for the twenty six letters of the alphabet will take one EC year to complete, and hence the next time we call for definitions of words beginning with "A" is predicted to occur at the start of 1 EC."
17:51:33 <sbp> there are 48 weeks in a Ghyll year, right? but 26 turns
17:51:39 <Morbus> oh.
17:51:40 <Morbus> lol.
17:51:41 <Morbus> yeah.
17:51:43 <Morbus> see, i told you.
17:51:46 <sbp> so that means one turn for approximately 12.9 days
17:52:00 <sbp> so after this turn, we'll have had FR615 out
17:52:07 <sbp> * sbp wonders what's in it
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17:52:15 <Morbus> yeah, but won't that break somehow?
17:52:22 <Morbus> won't we get to a turn that encompasses two issues coming out?
17:52:22 <sbp> no?
17:52:26 <sbp> yep
17:52:32 <sbp> but for this turn, it's true
17:52:40 <sbp> two issues per turn will happen fairly often
17:53:07 <Morbus> yeah.
17:53:11 <Morbus> like, every third turn
17:53:12 <Morbus> or something.
17:53:14 <Morbus> * Morbus acts smart.
17:53:17 <sbp> hehe
17:53:33 <sbp> well it's not really that essential to know at this point
17:53:40 <Morbus> oh! well, fine!
17:53:42 <sbp> we can publish a date after each turn saying what date it is in EC
17:53:44 <Morbus> * Morbus tears up Bysted's entry
17:53:47 <sbp> ahh
17:53:52 <Morbus> no, i[m kidding :)
17:54:03 <sbp> well for Bysted, yes, the current edition will be FR615
17:54:17 <sbp> but FR616 and possibly FR617 will be coming out on that turn
17:54:34 <sbp> hmm, yes they will
17:54:35 <Morbus> i like your comments, btw.
17:55:06 <sbp> 616 comes out on 0/1/15, 617 on 0/1/22. turn B ends on 0/1/26 or something
17:55:11 <sbp> on AuroWhatsit? thanks
17:55:31 <sbp> ah, turn B ends on the evening of 0/1/25
17:56:18 <Morbus> you know what? ginestre's entry is actually preytty good.
17:56:25 <Morbus> i had to read it like five times, but i like,
17:56:31 <Morbus> .
17:56:38 <sbp> it's rather obscure, yes. lemme read it again
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17:58:08 <sbp> bit bogus that every time something needs to be explained he just makes up a new verb :-)
17:58:17 <sbp> but probably better that way anyway
17:59:23 <sbp> 'tis certainly fun
17:59:40 <sbp> ah, Mr. Bowers responds
18:00:14 <sbp> bwahaha. 'my reading of a 45 degree westward bend in the second-order script as 'rather-charming' could also be read "terrifying", or simply "yellow"' good stuff!
18:01:06 <Morbus> LOL
18:01:08 <Morbus> that rules/
18:01:14 <Morbus> ahahah.
18:01:35 <sbp> "Why, my dear, you're looking 'rather-charming' in the Bowersian sense today!"
18:02:08 <Morbus> teehee.
18:05:25 <Morbus> 20 minute response time too.
18:07:22 <sbp> yeah
18:07:24 <sbp> replied
18:07:58 <sbp> example Fred cartoon: http://www.ursanity.com/da_lair/u-times/images/fred.gif
18:11:08 <Morbus> should garth go on the timeline?
18:11:48 <Morbus> for reference, we should probably put the dates for those two FR issues, and link to your script on that page somewhere.
18:12:57 <sbp> sure
18:13:39 <sbp> I don't think we should put Garth on the timeline since the fact is really a very, very minor one
18:13:52 <sbp> we don't have, for every year, "X was born before this date"
18:14:01 <sbp> if we knew when he *became* editor, that'd be good
18:14:11 <sbp> is there any mention of who the managing editor is now? it could still be him
18:14:32 <Morbus> nope.
18:14:39 <Morbus> the only thing i added was the the editor has meetings.
18:14:56 <Morbus> "The editor, returning from a meeting down the hall, saw only Windsor, with his hand cupped over Daniel's mouth, leaving "in a huff.""
18:15:12 <sbp> could well be him then. hmm. interesting that I didn't phantom Folktown Records...
18:15:23 <Morbus> well, at the time, you couldn't.
18:15:25 <sbp> s/s././
18:15:28 <Morbus> we just forgot to bakctrack
18:15:37 <Morbus> but, last i knew, Evesque Valley is the most linked now.
18:15:46 <Morbus> funny how that just popped up everywhere recently
18:15:56 <sbp> no, I mean it's interesting that I didn't have Folktown Records as one of my phantoms, so I can define it
18:16:04 <Morbus> oh, oh :)
18:16:20 <sbp> ah, it is plural. that page is wrong
18:17:50 <sbp> fixed
18:18:36 <sbp> Folktown Records nudges ahead now for popularity
18:18:41 <Morbus> huh?
18:18:46 <Morbus> what was pluiral?
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18:19:38 <Morbus> ahh
18:20:02 <Morbus> were the facts i took from Auro alright for ya?
18:20:08 <Morbus> i doubt i'll get to the others this afternono. tonight though
18:20:30 <sbp> yeah, IIRC. I added the Haversham fact though
18:20:31 <Morbus> should probably take out "rather charming" from the facts though.'
18:20:34 <sbp> I might do the others for you
18:20:46 <Morbus> coolio if you do.
18:20:47 <sbp> well, you scare quoted it already :-)
18:21:01 <Morbus> that's the last thing i have on my list of todo items.
18:21:02 <sbp> 'Andelphracia built a "rather charming" clock tower during her mayordom.'
18:21:10 <Morbus> four new entries: awal shrinkage, anaximancer, aelfants.
18:21:10 <Morbus> light in technology. add categories. dates on the FR issues,
18:21:10 <Morbus> and the ages of our two children replicants.
18:21:27 <Morbus> yeah, i was gonna blurb abit about light being somethinig big in the Technology section.
18:21:35 <Morbus> and then go around to all entries and apply categories.
18:21:38 <sbp> yeah, that's a good idea
18:21:39 <Morbus> you've done the last two already
18:22:00 <Morbus> gotta add the issues date and script to the list
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18:35:30 <Monty> welcome, caspercba
18:36:35 <redmonk> hehe. "does she know abut shrinkage?!?"
18:37:29 <caspercba> Monty: thanks
18:37:31 <Monty> In all honesty, Reznor masturbates false Evolution.
18:37:47 <jsled> Monty: how rude!
18:37:49 <Monty> -900 EC or just defining a real one? hehe Gustaf
18:38:03 <jsled> Monty's playing ghyll too, now?
18:38:04 <Monty> "mowed lawns"
18:42:31 <Morbus> lol
18:42:34 <Morbus> monty rules
18:42:39 <Monty> sweet. I make only brushed the toolbars installed on friday to non-gamers in N3? And they will.
18:42:50 <Morbus> * Morbus giggles.
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18:51:25 <crschmidt> * crschmidt waves to danbri
18:51:32 <danbri> allo!
18:51:45 <crschmidt> so, you like julie? :)
18:51:56 <crschmidt> * crschmidt built her himself
18:52:09 <danbri> yes :) cool bot
18:52:51 <Morbus> sbp: interesting.
18:52:58 <Morbus> actually. nevbermind.
18:53:00 <Morbus> user error
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18:55:08 <caspercba> !hey
18:55:22 <crschmidt> hey caspercba
18:55:26 <crschmidt> are you new in #swhack?
18:55:46 <caspercba> yes, what's the topic here?
18:55:53 <Morbus> THONGS!
18:55:55 <crschmidt> Swhackery!
18:55:57 <crschmidt> Ignore morbus.
18:56:17 <crschmidt> This is a publically logged channel, if what you or we say might ruin your political future, you might want to leave now.
18:56:18 <caspercba> crschmidt: ok
18:56:30 <crschmidt> There's more information at swhack.com on topics, logs, chump, etc. Welcome to #swhack!
18:56:43 <caspercba> crschmith: thanks
18:56:47 <Morbus> I don't like being ignored.
18:57:01 <crschmidt> it's best to ignore you.
18:57:34 <caspercba> who is Morbus? i don't see him... i think he even doesn't exist...
18:57:56 <Morbus> all the more reason for me to go after your nipples now.
18:58:14 <caspercba> Morbus: it was a joke
18:58:33 <crschmidt> caspercba: sadly, his wasn't.
18:58:38 <crschmidt> That's just the way Morbus is.
18:58:40 <Morbus> taASSttyYy niiPPPleesSS
18:58:50 <crschmidt> * crschmidt excessively uses /me
18:58:59 <caspercba> * caspercba too
19:01:17 <caspercba> crschmidt: ok, i wanna know if there is a way to change a log file being normal user withou privileges
19:01:35 <Morbus> you gotta reinit your tree files.
19:01:42 <crschmidt> A log file for the channel?
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19:02:13 <caspercba> crschmidt: no, the log file of a system
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19:02:32 <jess> casper, repeat that, he wasn't quite here yet. ;)
19:02:32 <caspercba> Morbus: how should i do that?
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19:02:33 <Monty> yo julie!
19:02:44 <caspercba> jess: ok,
19:03:08 <crschmidt> * crschmidt sits.
19:03:13 <caspercba> crschmidt: no, the log file of a system, /var/log
19:03:18 <crschmidt> ah
19:03:25 <crschmidt> you usually can't
19:03:33 <crschmidt> usually have to be root to change content or permissions or anything
19:03:39 <crschmidt> But really, you'd be better asking that in a linux help channel
19:05:03 <caspercba> crschmidt: i mean, if i broke into a system, how could i move in there without being recorded in the log file?
19:05:21 <crschmidt> Ah
19:05:34 <crschmidt> That would be something you'd want to ask some kind of different community of people, I think.
19:06:22 <jess> . . .
19:06:40 <jsled> caspercba: you can do it if you subvert the dominant paradigm!
19:06:47 <jsled> [or reinit your tree files]
19:06:52 <jess> * jess rolls eyes into next week. people who do that shit suck.
19:07:30 <crschmidt> Modify their dominant paradigms?
19:07:42 <jess> * jess grins. no. :)
19:07:42 <caspercba> jsled: ??
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19:09:04 <jess> If you want to subvert the dominant paradigm, try joining an anarchist commune and wearing dresses.
19:09:28 <caspercba> jess: bullshit
19:09:39 <caspercba> jess: i'm being serious
19:09:45 <jess> actually, yes, that *would* subvert the dominant paradigm.
19:09:53 <jess> Why should I or anyone else help you attempt to break into a computer system?
19:10:17 <jess> Or, more specifically, learn the techniques to do so?
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19:10:36 <caspercba> jess: i'm not trying to break into a comp system. I'm studying security, and i was told to investigate about logs
19:10:45 <Morbus> * Morbus snickers.
19:10:56 <crschmidt> Perhaps you should investigate some resources. Books are good.
19:11:15 <crschmidt> (There tend to be lots of them in this big building called a "library", especially at "schools")
19:11:36 <jess> . . . wait, you want us to DO YOUR HOMEWORK?
19:11:59 <caspercba> crschmith: certain things aren't on books. The book tells you to redirect the logs to a printer, cos the log files aren't secure. But i wanna know why
19:12:55 <crschmidt> Why they aren't secure?
19:13:11 <crschmidt> Why logs aren't secure, that is?
19:13:11 <caspercba> why are logs insecure? if somebody broke into my pc, he wouldn't be able to change the log file. He doesn't have permisiions
19:13:20 <crschmidt> Sure, until he cracks root.
19:13:39 <crschmidt> Sure, until he exploits a flaw in permissions checks and dumps the drive to a file.
19:13:50 <Morbus> Sure, until he formats your drive, leaving you with no logs at all.
19:14:04 <crschmidt> Sure, until he gets physical access and accelerates your computer at 9.8 m/s^2
19:14:06 <caspercba> crschmith: so , that's it? the only way to change a log file is being root?
19:14:16 <jess> Or, if he was really nasty, he could just wipe the drive and install Windows ME.
19:14:18 <caspercba> crschmid: hehe
19:14:34 <caspercba> jess: that would be too bad
19:14:38 <crschmidt> Not neccesarily. I'm sure that there are security bugs that would give access, but it's all a question of how secure you expect things to be.
19:14:54 <jess> I ran Windows ME for a year and a half, therefore I am strong, or at least masochistic.
19:14:58 <crschmidt> In order to be secure, you need at least 2 of three things: 1. something you know, 2. something you have, 3. something you are.
19:15:07 <crschmidt> 1. password. 2. key. 3. biometrics.
19:15:21 <jess> nothing will protect your computer against someone standing in front of it, either.
19:15:45 <crschmidt> Computers almost universally implement #1. Which isn't secure.
19:15:54 <caspercba> jess: i'm supposing the person can't access my pc phisically
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19:16:49 <jess> Security holes depend completely on the software the computer is running, when lacking physical access.
19:17:09 <jess> so go search alt.2600 and find what you want.
19:17:16 <jess> * jess wanders off to go pick up her kids.
19:17:22 <jess> * jess waves to crschmidt.
19:17:29 <caspercba> jess: is that a channel?
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19:17:45 <caspercba> jess: go for them dont be late, and thanks
19:17:47 <jess> * jess sighs. kids these days never learned about USENET.
19:17:50 <jess> http://groups.google.com/
19:17:53 <jess> I wouldn't be. :)
19:17:56 <arcon> hehe
19:18:00 <jess> crschmidt would kick my ass. ;)
19:18:14 <caspercba> is he your husband?
19:18:32 <Arnia> Usenet, where the answer to every question is held... especially explicit ones
19:18:33 <danbri> I heard USENET was about to die
19:18:47 <Arnia> * Arnia loves usenet
19:18:50 <Arnia> I huggle it
19:19:07 <danbri> Anyone seen recent stats of USENET vs Blogs?
19:19:30 <crschmidt> Husband?
19:19:34 <crschmidt> Eh, close enough.
19:19:37 <crschmidt> She nags me often enough.
19:19:50 <crschmidt> * crschmidt ducks
19:19:54 <Arnia> I don't think you can do a vs any more than you can do vs of email and the web
19:20:01 <Morbus> usenet shouldn't die.
19:20:11 <Morbus> too many good binary groups
19:20:12 <Morbus> * Morbus ducks
19:20:26 <crschmidt> Okay, need to develop a javascript interface for draggable scheduling blocks.
19:20:39 <crschmidt> Basically, a calendar application in javascript with drag and drop blocks of time.
19:20:46 <crschmidt> Possible? Not possible? Ever seen anything like it?
19:20:56 <crschmidt> ANd if the answer is no to javascript, where do I go to try and stay in the browser?
19:21:21 <crschmidt> Is java the next step? I don't think anything else can do it in the browser.
19:21:29 <Arnia> crschmidt: Its possible with ecmascript
19:21:47 <Arnia> crschmidt: Look at the various windowing systems written *entirely* using it
19:23:04 <arcon> crschmidt, it is definately possible, browser support is a whole other ball of wax though
19:23:21 <crschmidt> I'm probably going to be working with windows boxen using IE
19:23:27 <crschmidt> (Definitely windows, possibly on the IE)
19:23:39 <arcon> as long as it as a fairly recent browser you should be fine
19:23:54 <arcon> mozilla, ie 6, opera 7, etc.
19:23:56 <Arnia> DOM support is actually not bad cross browser
19:24:18 <Arnia> There is a nice DOM abstractor that fixes bugs in DOM support
19:24:38 <arcon> not terrible as long as the browser was released in the last two years or so, however for the "general wab" where supporting things lke IE 5 on windows and mac is concerned
19:24:40 <Arnia> I think Kryogenix may have linked to that one...
19:24:41 <arcon> it's a pita
19:24:47 <crschmidt> Yeah, I'm not doing General web
19:24:56 <crschmidt> just my boss's other office, 20 people or so max
19:25:40 <arcon> then you shouldn't have a problem, just move stuff around by chaing css properties, also position it all absolute
19:25:56 <arcon> s/chaing/changing/
19:26:13 <arcon> position what you want moveable absolute I mean ;)
19:26:50 <crschmidt> hm
19:26:51 <crschmidt> okay.
19:27:00 <crschmidt> I guess I need to learn Javascript this weekene.dd.
19:27:08 <arcon> hehe
19:27:18 <Arnia> Its a cool language
19:27:26 <Arnia> Its a syntax for LISP in many ways :)
19:27:28 <arcon> or'reilly has some good books
19:27:32 <Morbus> i wrote two of 'em.
19:27:45 <arcon> on javascript?
19:27:53 <Morbus> no, on my ass.
19:28:04 <Morbus> i am so fucking witty, its pathetic.
19:28:07 <Morbus> no, not on javascript
19:28:08 <arcon> then they must stink
19:28:09 <arcon> ;)
19:28:43 <arcon> unless you are one of us who's shit doesn't stink
19:28:58 <arcon> anyways, there's one called Dynamic HTML iirc
19:29:08 <arcon> I have it somewhere...it's a good book
19:29:13 <sbp> heh, caspercba reminds me of: [[[
19:29:13 <sbp> #3748 +(324)- [X]
19:29:13 <sbp> <tomg> are there any programs that will scan a remote ip to see if there are any common trojans on it (I want this for GOOD use :))?
19:29:13 <sbp> <JibberJim> Does anyone know where I can buy big guns, it's okay it's for a GOOD use.
19:29:13 <sbp> <Eibon> I'm looking for anthrax. Anyone know where I can find some?
19:29:14 <sbp> ]]]
19:29:17 <Arnia> doesn't cover the DOM in the edition I've got
19:29:23 <Arnia> Its all silly propriatory stuff
19:29:46 <crschmidt> http://www.walterzorn.com/dragdrop/dragdrop_e.htm
19:29:49 <crschmidt> that's nice
19:29:53 <arcon> hmm, maybe they re-released it?
19:29:56 <crschmidt> drag-drop the box
19:29:58 <Arnia> Is it unobtrusive?
19:30:17 <Arnia> (as in, is it a library that works without needing to add onevent stuff to the markup)
19:30:26 <crschmidt> no idea
19:30:31 <crschmidt> i just know it's cool looking
19:30:39 <sbp> bwahaha: [[[
19:30:40 <sbp> [18:45] <jamesr|handheld> hello all
19:30:40 <sbp> [19:08] <sbp> oh hello there
19:30:40 <sbp> [19:09] <jamesr|handheld> brb class change
19:30:42 <sbp> ]]] - #
19:30:49 <Arnia> Always go with an unobtrusive library if you can (or write an unobtrusive wrapper)
19:30:51 <sbp> good example of school getting in the way of IRCing
19:31:15 <Arnia> Makes you life much MUCH easier
19:31:26 <crschmidt> http://javascript.internet.com/page-details/drag-n-drop.html that one doesn't even work :P
19:31:55 <Arnia> Anyway, hows Swhack Nation?
19:32:06 <Arnia> s/hows/how's/
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19:36:00 <Arnia> d8uv:!
19:36:36 <crschmidt> I just got told by my boss to start doing work ;)
19:36:41 <crschmidt> So I'm learning javascript, as you see.
19:37:06 <Morbus> crschmidt: would you take a pay cut if you came to work with me?
19:37:15 <Morbus> serious question.
19:37:58 <crschmidt> Is the question "Would you be willing to work for less to come work with me" or "Would you be making less if you came to work with me"?
19:38:21 <Morbus> no, it's "would you be my employee for less money"
19:38:30 <Morbus> not "with me" but "for me".
19:38:34 <crschmidt> Ah
19:38:40 <crschmidt> Probably not.
19:38:44 <Morbus> okee. thanks.
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20:01:02 <sbp> heh, the FF is printed really, really badly. p153 of Comedies is numbered p151
20:03:12 <Arnia> :)
20:05:04 <sbp> I wonder if Isaac Jaggard knew just how important the book is, and that he'd be the source of some eyebrow raising for centuries to come? :-)
20:05:17 <sbp> clearly not, otherwise he'd've taken a bit more care
20:05:37 <Arnia> It was just another book at that stage
20:06:25 <sbp> not according to the prefaces. the people who knew Shakespeare seemed to have an inkling that his works were for all time; you'd think they'd've tried to impart that belief to the printer too though
20:07:04 <Arnia> Shakespeare is a natural example for lectures on referential transparency...
20:08:09 <sbp> oh?
20:08:50 <sbp> 161 is labelled 163...
20:10:52 <Arnia> Maybe interfaces would be better. One entity two names that capture different pieces of information
20:11:12 <sbp> I still don't follow
20:11:25 <Arnia> Shakespeare and Marlowe
20:11:30 <sbp> what about them?
20:12:13 <Arnia> Never mind... I'm far too knacked to explain tonight :) It was just meant to be a throw-away comment...
20:12:27 <sbp> no, no, please explain
20:14:08 <Arnia> The idea that Shakespeare's plays were written by Marlowe. Since Shakespeare's identity for most people is his set of plays and sonnets, you could view Shakespeare and Marlowe as one object that provides IShakespeare and IMarlowe
20:14:23 <Arnia> Silly whimsical idea... but I'm half asleep
20:15:21 <sbp> ah, right. Marlowe's a pretty low contender on the list these days though
20:15:41 <sbp> (his being dead when most of the plays were written is the main problem)
20:16:05 <Arnia> Well there is question over that as well
20:16:11 <sbp> I know
20:16:23 <sbp> but mainly over *how* he died
20:16:47 <Arnia> But it was just a piece of whimsy from a knackered boy. I really don't want to get into this tonight
20:17:06 <sbp> nothing to get into; you explained it well
20:17:19 <Arnia> I managed to wrap PET in python last night and its taken it out of me :)
20:17:32 <sbp> good stuff. releasing the source any time soon?
20:17:35 <Arnia> This does mean I can begin work on that PET bot I've been talking about
20:17:55 <sbp> whoo!
20:18:04 <Arnia> Yeah, I'll put it in my repository this week... got to figure out more about autotools first
20:18:47 <sbp> great. thanks
20:19:27 <Arnia> There are some stability issues, but I suspect they're bugs in PET so I'd need to find someone who understands C++ well enough to debug them
20:20:01 <Arnia> (namely, the PET unifier segfaults with certain shape chart parses)
20:20:13 <Arnia> And that brings down python as well at the moment
20:20:43 <Arnia> Need to figure out a way to isolate that exception and wrap it as a python ParserError exception
20:21:00 <Arnia> Well not C++ exception... exceptional condition
20:21:48 <sbp> shame we don't have any C++ers that I know of here
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20:23:31 <Arnia> Yeah. The next stage is writing another API that takes the MRS structure produced by my API and turning into an RDF graph so it can be reasoned upon
20:26:14 <Arnia> I'm quite pleased with what I've got so far though
20:27:28 <Arnia> If you get any time, I'd love to have your help with building this into a bot that can understand NL questions
20:27:35 <sbp> sure
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20:29:10 <Arnia> PET is bloody fast btw... the slowest bit of this bot is probably going to be the triple store. PET just runs, really quickly
20:30:47 <Arnia> It returns a complete set of parses for a typical length sentence in under a second (which considering the work its doing is actually pretty impressive)
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20:31:37 <Morbus> sbp: think i nailed the search engine bug. see email.
20:35:39 <sbp> replied
20:35:51 <sbp> (with another search bug for you to fix)
20:35:55 <Morbus> its broken isn't it?
20:35:55 <sbp> (muahahaha)
20:36:03 <sbp> hmm?
20:36:15 <Morbus> oh.
20:36:20 <Morbus> yeah, there's supposed to be a way to make that work.
20:36:25 <Morbus> i think i saw it on the wikipedia wiki
20:36:59 <Morbus> actually, oddly, i'm not sure why that it isn't working right.
20:37:44 <Morbus> unless they're dmonic index thing removes plurals.
20:38:09 <Morbus> nevermind.
20:38:43 <Morbus> nope, nevermind. wikipedia doesn't have that feature anyway.
20:38:50 <Morbus> and its much more substantial than this fix.
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20:38:54 <Morbus> so i dont' really want to fiddle with it <g>
20:41:08 <Morbus> sbp: yeah, according to the MW site, its supposed to work.
20:41:12 <Morbus> "To search for a phrase, enclose it in double quotation marks."
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20:43:51 <Morbus> gah!
20:43:57 <Morbus> sbp, the bug i just fixed is a "Feature"
20:43:57 <Morbus> After finding the pages, these pages are searched again to have the results show in red in the context lines; this search uses a more relaxed criterion: search terms occurring in the wikitext, even as part of a word, are shown in red.
20:44:01 <Morbus> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Searching
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20:48:57 <Arnia> Talliesin!
20:49:04 <Talliesin> hi.
20:49:20 <Talliesin> Just popping on for hit-and-run debate through the logs on #foaf
20:49:28 <Talliesin> will probably be back later though
20:49:32 <Morbus> heh.
20:49:33 <Arnia> cool
20:49:44 <Morbus> sbp: from MW developer; "too bad". "by design?", "iirc".
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21:11:23 <sbp> ew
21:11:25 <phenny> sbp: 21:01Z <bunnywabbit_> ask sbp if there is any way to check if phenny has waiting messages for bunny*
21:11:40 <sbp> writing heroic verse at the moment
21:12:43 <sbp> tricky, but almost done
21:13:40 <sbp> .cp small.*e.*grave
21:13:43 <phenny> 00E0: LATIN SMALL LETTER A WITH GRAVE (à)
21:13:46 <phenny> 00E8: LATIN SMALL LETTER E WITH GRAVE (è)
21:13:49 <phenny> 00EC: LATIN SMALL LETTER I WITH GRAVE (ì) [...]
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21:14:23 <kpreid> .cp small.*\be\b.*gravwe
21:14:26 <kpreid> .cp small.*\be\b.*grave
21:14:26 <phenny> Sorry, no results found for 'small.*\\be\\b.*gravwe'.
21:14:29 <phenny> 00E8: LATIN SMALL LETTER E WITH GRAVE (è)
21:14:32 <phenny> 0205: LATIN SMALL LETTER E WITH DOUBLE GRAVE (ȅ)
21:14:35 <phenny> 1E15: LATIN SMALL LETTER E WITH MACRON AND GRAVE (ḕ) [...]
21:15:00 <sbp> help appreciated from Tal... oh, he's not here
21:15:04 <sbp> well anyone that cares then
21:15:05 <sbp> [[[
21:15:07 <sbp> [...]
21:15:07 <sbp> Cheer now good charm to our Andelphracia:
21:15:07 <sbp> Her seventh year, and pray we seven more.
21:15:11 <sbp> The firmament to her bequeathed its lore,
21:15:11 <sbp> Though to else it would have causèd grief
21:15:11 <sbp> Or struck by lightning as unrightous thief.
21:15:14 <sbp> She the clock tower moved great men to build,
21:15:14 <sbp> Presided over sevèral a guild,
21:15:15 <sbp> Led us to reclaim land a Fool derides:
21:15:22 <sbp> Resolved the Farm Dispute fair on both sides.
21:15:22 <sbp> Caution then to whom fall short of her grace:
21:15:22 <sbp> Know well thy lowly station and thy place.
21:15:23 <sbp> ]]]
21:16:34 <sbp> whoops, I'm shortening "Andelphracia" when I say it now
21:16:39 <sbp> omit the "our" in the first line
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21:26:47 <sbp> added; spelling mistake corrected too
21:27:06 <sbp> heheh: "Ignore the man behind the curtain."
21:27:37 <Morbus> oddly, in the User namespace, everything works fine sbp.
21:27:53 <Morbus> search for "Folktown Records" (with quotes) and "Folktown Record" (with quotes) in the User NS, and you'll get the right responses.
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21:38:26 <sbp> I get nothing for "Folktown Record"
21:39:39 <Morbus> that's cos i just removd all that shit.
21:39:41 <Morbus> you were too slow.
21:39:54 <Morbus> [[[
21:39:54 <Morbus> [17:38] <Morbus> heh
21:39:55 <Morbus> [17:38] <Morbus> i remove the one "record" in that page, and it no longer shows up in searchs for "
