00:05:46 <crschmidt> Was aaron not in college before this?
00:07:22 <sbp> he was at a liberal arts college, yes
00:08:32 <sbp> he certainly doesn't help
00:09:47 <sbp> hehe: "Jeff carries a 2X4 to all of our meetings, just in case an RIAA representative shows up." - http://freeculture.org/blog/index.php?p=58
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00:54:36 <kandinski> hey!!!!!
00:56:29 <kandinski> Exclamation points galore
01:00:39 <sbp> * sbp manages to rescue Heretofore Unpublished Whimsy out of various notes
01:00:44 <sbp> 'elo there kandinski
01:00:58 <sbp> (HE|EH)LO
01:01:14 <jessica> BLAM|MO
01:01:22 <jessica> Wait, that didn't work.
01:01:26 <jessica> But whatthefuckever.
01:01:26 <sbp> go read! new miscoranda post!
01:01:27 <sbp> http://miscoranda.com/115
01:01:31 <sbp> once in a blue moon
01:01:50 <sbp> maybe even aquamarine
01:01:53 <sbp> what do you think, Monty?
01:01:54 <Monty> What answer would please you most ?
01:02:14 <sbp> "yes, that probably is the meaning of life"
01:04:55 <MoiraA> hiya
01:05:02 <MoiraA> I must go to bed soon :/
01:05:15 <MoiraA> how come I have such difficulty doing it?
01:05:22 <kandinski> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
01:05:45 <MoiraA> how you doing sbp?
01:05:58 <sbp> I'm okay. miscoranda post, &c.
01:06:13 <sbp> AMPERSAND C, FULL STOP
01:06:18 <MoiraA> haha I've been obsessed with mirc scripts :/
01:06:24 <MoiraA> look at this
01:06:32 <MoiraA> * MoiraA slaps you
01:06:37 <MoiraA> did you see something?
01:06:43 <sbp> kandinski, on a scale of one to like eleven or somesuch, how drunk are you?
01:07:01 <MoiraA> because I just learned what the full stop does
01:07:11 <sbp> [02:06] * MoiraA slaps you
01:07:17 <MoiraA> yeah, I saw nothing
01:07:39 <MoiraA> because I typed /.me slaps you
01:07:56 <kandinski> sbp, not very
01:08:02 <sbp> ah, so it's echoless. nice
01:08:09 <kandinski> I have not drunk at all, what makes you think I have?
01:08:17 <MoiraA> ie the period means the "victim" (normally of an attack) doesn't see what they're supposedly saying in channel
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01:08:33 <sbp> superabundance of tildes
01:08:54 <MoiraA> I also discovered the most important line of all time in that script was buried innocently in a "hug" script
01:09:03 <kandinski> tildes are great!
01:09:29 <MoiraA> ie ctcp ^*:CMD:*:{ . $+ $2- | .halt }
01:09:55 <MoiraA> that is an easy explanation of how that unsubtle noob.mrc got uploaded
01:10:02 <sbp> are you off the networks now, Moira?
01:10:17 <MoiraA> well, not exactly, but I have been ignoring them mostly
01:10:31 <MoiraA> I think you're right though, especially during the week
01:10:31 <sbp> Moira: tsk
01:10:40 <sbp> especially during every time, IMO :-)
01:10:46 <MoiraA> there is so much more to life than taking abuse and being exploited in irc
01:10:56 <MoiraA> this is a "safe" channel
01:11:01 <sbp> yup!
01:11:28 <sbp> also we have Monty, so that's an extra dimension of awesomeness
01:11:30 <MoiraA> could have been worse ... anyone who never used remotes could have gone months without discovering that
01:11:33 <Monty> what's your religious beliefs for example me, which operetta would probably going after a careful eye open.
01:11:38 <MoiraA> at least I found it after about 4 days
01:11:49 <MoiraA> absolutely
01:11:58 <MoiraA> where would we be without monty?
01:11:58 <Monty> What do you think ?
01:12:06 <MoiraA> does he search google?
01:12:15 <sbp> Monty: google for something
01:12:16 <Monty> [for something] http://www.somethingpositive.net/ (s*p - happy birthday, mornee)
01:12:25 <sbp> apparently, yeah
01:12:26 <MoiraA> thing is, there are real friends of mine in those other channels
01:12:37 <MoiraA> Monty: google for moiraatkinson
01:12:38 <Monty> [for moiraatkinson] http://www.moiraatkinson.co.uk/ (Moiras Home Page)
01:12:42 <MoiraA> eheheh
01:12:44 <MoiraA> yeah
01:12:49 <MoiraA> for Perdy in holics you go
01:12:59 <MoiraA> !google <something>
01:13:08 <MoiraA> and he sends a script to google
01:14:33 <MoiraA> from now on I'm going to concentrate on early nights, work, evening classes and learning more VBA and PC tweaks in my spare time
01:14:51 <sbp> she says, at gone two in the morning... :-)
01:15:03 <crschmidt> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=135368
01:15:04 <crschmidt> I like it.
01:15:11 <MoiraA> no more wasting time (although it hasn't helped that I've had to restore two windows installs in as many weeks
01:15:23 <MoiraA> I know sbp, but things will change
01:15:30 <crschmidt> hm, i'm no longer on my webcam
01:15:37 <MoiraA> had to take a day off work on Friday, was just too knackered to go in
01:15:40 <MoiraA> that's bad
01:16:10 <MoiraA> got a nice new PSU in this PC though and fitting a new mobo to my other one tomorrow
01:16:22 <MoiraA> pray I don't need to reinstall windows :/
01:16:50 <MoiraA> it should allow the memory sticks to be used simultaneously
01:16:51 <sbp> hehe, good stuff crschmidt
01:16:52 <sbp> [[[
01:16:53 <sbp> A nice example:
01:16:53 <sbp> ./rpm/changelog.Debian: * Use [:lower:] in rules fule because fucking LC_COLLATE blows me.
01:16:53 <sbp> ]]]
01:17:05 <MoiraA> can't remember the exact term
01:18:24 <crschmidt> reminds me of one of my favorite LiveJournal commit messages, after a series of quick fixes turned a bad situation to much worse: "fucking hell"
01:19:09 <sbp> mmm... terseness
01:20:24 <kandinski> * kandinski is cracking up:
01:20:36 <kandinski> ``[[[
01:20:40 <kandinski> The word `fuck' describes a biological act. It is not a blasphemy or
01:20:40 <kandinski> desecration of sacred things. "Fuck the pope, Jesus & Mary" would be
01:20:40 <kandinski> an example of where "fuck" could be used in a profane manner, but in
01:20:42 <kandinski> and of itself, the word "fuck" is not a profanity.
01:20:49 <kandinski> ]]]
01:21:05 <sbp> the end point about the dictionary is great too
01:21:50 <crschmidt> "fucking hell" -- http://changelog.livejournal.com/964494.html
01:22:11 <kandinski> did you read my answer to Amaya after she, too, was chided for using "profaniteies" in Debian bugs?
01:22:19 <kandinski> let me look for it
01:22:29 <jessica> . . .
01:22:37 <jessica> the cat is growling at the tuna I just put on a plate for him.
01:22:51 <jessica> I don't know how to tell him that it's fairly rare to have to kill chunk light tuna packed in water.
01:22:57 <jessica> It usually doesn't come out wriggling, y'know?
01:22:58 <crschmidt> kandinski: yeah, it's where i grabbed the debian link
01:23:55 <kandinski> .g Amaya fuckup
01:23:56 <crschmidt> * crschmidt sighs.
01:24:01 <crschmidt> bbias
01:24:13 <phenny> Amaya fuckup: http://www.everythinglori.com/v2/shows/bots/mission05.htm
01:24:22 <kandinski> hmmm
01:24:26 <kandinski> different result from Google
01:24:30 <kandinski> .g fuckup Amaya
01:24:34 <phenny> fuckup Amaya: http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/m/mindi-partimagehack/mindi-partimagehack_0.6.2-2.1/changelog
01:24:42 <kandinski> ok, this is the one
01:24:43 <sbp> *** sbp has changed the topic to: Swhack: It's 2AM or so. Do you know where *your* $sexual_expletive.infinitive is?
01:25:04 <kandinski> Swhack: It's 2AM or so. Do you
01:25:31 <sbp> does anyone know where the "It's <time>. Do you know where *your* <things> are?" meme started?
01:25:34 <kandinski> know where the $sexual_expletive.infinitive your child is?
01:25:49 <kandinski> it is an ad about parenting
01:26:01 <sbp> *** sbp has changed the topic to: Swhack: It's 2AM or so. Do you know where the $sexual_expletive.infinitive *your* child is?
01:26:07 <sbp> ah, thanks
01:26:07 <kandinski> do you know where your child is?
01:26:12 <kandinski> thank you, sbp
01:26:16 <sbp> np
01:26:16 <kandinski> I am really tired
01:26:23 <d8uv> Wait!
01:26:29 <kandinski> waiting
01:26:29 <sbp> until I come back to your side
01:26:34 <kandinski> but not for logn
01:26:36 <sbp> and we'll forget the tears we cried
01:26:39 <sbp> o/~
01:26:39 <kandinski> I go back to MAD tomorrow
01:26:44 <kandinski> early
01:27:03 <sbp> back to being (in) MAD, eh?
01:27:16 <kandinski> don't get EVN, get MAD
01:30:58 <kandinski> * kandinski is cracking up at some off-og thing you will never learn about
01:31:09 <kandinski> s/og/log/
01:31:10 <MoiraA> * MoiraA goes to bed
01:31:17 <d8uv> Night MoiraA!
01:31:24 <MoiraA> might!
01:31:28 <MoiraA> err night
01:31:35 <kandinski> nitght
01:31:37 <kandinski> Moira
01:31:48 <MoiraA> yes?
01:31:50 <sbp> 'night
01:31:56 <MoiraA> night
01:32:12 <d8uv> Fight, Moira!
01:32:13 <crschmidt> hey sbp, i'm curious, is the continuity error in Calends Gala intentional? DrBacchus mentioned it earlier today, and I didn't get a chance to ask him about it - the Earthquake is labeled the Earthquake of Fijjit in http://gamegrene.com/wiki/?title=Calends_Gala&redirect=no, Whereas it's labeled the Earthquake of Fluyr in http://gamegrene.com/wiki/Baleman
01:32:13 <kandinski> night, Moira, I meant
01:32:14 <d8uv> Oops
01:32:17 <kandinski> right, Moira
01:32:22 <kandinski> light, MOira
01:32:23 <MoiraA> lol
01:32:41 <MoiraA> it will soon be light and I have to get up for work
01:32:56 <MoiraA> fortunately, not for swimming at 4.40
01:33:01 <MoiraA> that's tomorrow
01:33:12 <MoiraA> my resolution starts then
01:33:34 <sbp> ah, it's a typo. you can change DrBacchus's entry
01:33:49 <sbp> he can't just create a phantom out of nowhere, so it's clearly an error
01:34:48 <crschmidt> sbp: I was wondering because of http://swhack.com/logs/2004-10-03.html#T22-03-41
01:35:01 <kandinski> sbp, nice miscoranda post
01:35:20 <kandinski> I like the nonlinearity thing, many relationships are not transitive
01:35:34 <kandinski> I would rather go out with Mia than to the cinema with JL
01:35:35 <sbp> crschmidt: huh. that is confusing
01:35:39 <sbp> kandinski: thanks!
01:35:51 <sbp> yeah, relationships are a good idea
01:35:57 <crschmidt> sbp: However, it's not listed as one of his cites for the article
01:36:01 <kandinski> I would rather go to the cinema with JL than have lunch with Jamillan
01:36:17 <kandinski> but I would rather have lunch with Jamillan than dinner with Mia
01:36:26 <sbp> though I like to extend it to things that people generally think are linear when they're not, e.g. intelligence. though I guess people think similarly about relationships: "you're my bestest friend!"
01:36:44 <kandinski> not an actual example, not a true one, but one that could be worked out in a xcenario
01:36:53 <sbp> crschmidt: advice: edit it, and add a note to the talk page stating your case
01:37:17 <sbp> it appears to me that DrB is confused, but it might be us :-)
01:37:19 <kandinski> my friend Juan Carlos made a point of saying that condorcet and runoff voting could be impossible without of that
01:37:35 <sbp> pardon?
01:37:48 <kandinski> sbp, but I think "linearity" is not the best word for it
01:38:14 <kandinski> condorcet and runnof voting would be impossible because of that
01:38:20 <kandinski> two beers and a cocktail
01:38:24 <sbp> ah
01:38:29 <kandinski> but I am rilly tired, I got to sleep
01:38:29 <sbp> yes, very much agreed
01:38:47 <kandinski> you could prefer candidate a to b, and b to c, but c to a
01:39:00 <sbp> you get different results in condorcet if you switch the order around, so I guess that's a way of proving it
01:39:04 <sbp> yeah
01:39:17 <kandinski> I disagree, but this margin is too small to contain the reason why
01:39:29 <kandinski> maybe Andrew Wiles will show up later and explain
01:39:33 <sbp> someone'll take... hehe
01:39:49 <kandinski> ok, I will do it myself
01:39:49 <sbp> annoying when you beat me to it
01:40:10 <kandinski> the answer is that you don't have three choices to make
01:40:24 <kandinski> between a and b, between b and c, and between c and a
01:40:44 <kandinski> you only have one choice: order a, b, c.
01:40:49 <kandinski> so there is no paradox
01:41:02 <kandinski> it is a different set of choices
01:41:33 <sbp> oh whoops, I misunderstood condorcet
01:41:43 <sbp> wikipedia sets me straight
01:41:51 <kandinski> the fact that the ab, bc, ac choices are not transitive does not mean the abc ordering is impossible or inconsistent
01:42:14 <kandinski> it just means... it is a different set of constraints
01:42:56 <kandinski> and this is my final word for today: "constraints"
01:47:55 <d8uv> FINAL WORD!
01:47:57 <d8uv> OMG
01:48:02 <d8uv> NOW IT'S SILENT
01:48:11 <d8uv> EXCEPT NOW
01:48:23 <d8uv> I EXPECT AN ECHO KINDA
01:48:35 <d8uv> AND I STILL LOSE AT THE INTERNET
01:50:28 <sbp> * sbp awards d8uv a wooden spoon, having read an Andrew Wiles interview
01:51:34 <Monty> tissues's office-block snogs funny cartridge?
01:53:41 <Monty> Wife is self employed, and rich folks would normally be annoyed :P
01:54:07 <sbp> are you okay Monty?
01:54:08 <Monty> requiem == Barra;
01:57:12 <crschmidt> * crschmidt sighs.
01:57:18 <crschmidt> trying to set up samba is a pain
01:59:32 <sbp> worked out of the box for me last time I tried it
01:59:59 <d8uv> http://cruftbox.com/blog/archives/001031.html
02:00:07 <sbp> my needs were probably less demanding
02:01:54 <kpreid> * kpreid blinks
02:02:09 <sbp> wow, awesome. 5) is especially great
02:02:20 <sbp> Google even make aptitude tests fun. crazy
02:03:23 <kpreid> * kpreid sees he had an effect on miscoranda
02:05:59 <sbp> good answer: [[[
02:06:00 <sbp> Q.12 is 2 easy, the answer is 2 simple, it's actually a riddle, heres how you tell.
02:06:00 <sbp> Most beautiful equation will obviously result in the most beautiful number, look of most beautiful number in google and Voila, PHI, 1.618......an common and curious equation to get phi, can be calculated with all fives, therefore we, get, 5 ^ .5 * .5 + .5 = ?
02:06:00 <sbp> Bingo.
02:06:08 <sbp> ]]] - Triphte Darque
02:06:21 <sbp> kpreid: hermitian conjugate matrix? yeah...
02:08:16 <kpreid> * kpreid also noticed the number 115
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02:11:05 <d8uv> There's also http://www.google.com/googleblog/2004/09/pencils-down-people.html
02:11:18 <CloCkWeRX> * CloCkWeRX loox for articles on triple store design
02:11:36 <sbp> 115?
02:11:43 <kpreid> 115!
02:12:07 <crschmidt> woot! got smb working!
02:12:24 <crschmidt> sbp: i was trying to use swat to administer the samba config
02:13:08 <crschmidt> sbp: which it wouldn't let me login to, even with the login specified in the xinet config file
02:14:00 <kpreid> sbp: so you didn't do it on purpose?
02:14:49 <sbp> nope. I've still no idea what you mean
02:15:16 <sbp> I know it was the post number, of course...
02:15:17 <kpreid> http://miscoranda.com/70
02:15:24 <sbp> oh!
02:15:25 <sbp> heh
02:15:34 <sbp> cool coincidence
02:16:08 <d8uv> ?
02:16:10 <kpreid> and them both containing the same kind of ... $INEFFABLE
02:17:33 <sbp> yeah. /70 scares me still, and it's actually more interesting than it might on the surface appear--the parts that seem to have obvious references often don't, and vice versa
02:17:53 <sbp> the unicode part was the only really starchy part
02:18:40 <sbp> actually, the story behind the Parzival reference in /115 is similarly odd
02:21:14 <crschmidt> .w ameliorate
02:21:18 <phenny> ameliorate 1. to make better; "The editor improved the manuscript with his changes"
02:21:22 <phenny> ameliorate 2. get better; "The weather improved toward evening"
02:21:47 <kpreid> WordNet Is Not A Dictionary exhibit #23942085
02:23:06 <sbp> ouch
02:23:51 <sbp> d8uv: how's your blog coming along?
02:24:13 <sbp> The Neverstarting Blog
02:24:57 <bjoern_> .g notablog
02:25:00 <phenny> notablog: http://www.notablog.net/
02:25:33 <bjoern_> .g "blog blog blog blog"
02:25:36 <phenny> "blog blog blog blog": http://realtegan.blogspot.com/
02:25:37 <kpreid> Anyone who says "This is not a weblog" is most likely wrong.
02:26:03 <bjoern_> .gc wirey
02:26:09 <phenny> wirey: 26,700
02:26:19 <kpreid> .gc wiry
02:26:25 <phenny> wiry: 130,000
02:27:18 <sbp> back when they were thinking these stupid neologisms up, they should've declared a weblog to be something which is not self-referential
02:27:21 <crschmidt> .g "microsoft office" leisure suit larry 7
02:27:25 <phenny> "microsoft office" leisure suit larry 7: http://www.techsupportforum.com/search.php?do=finduser&u=3750
02:27:28 <sbp> then merely by stating something isn't a weblog, you'd be right
02:27:32 <crschmidt> darn
02:27:35 <kpreid> heh
02:27:36 <sbp> (as long as you stated it on the weblog...)
02:28:04 <sbp> jess having problems?
02:28:55 <bjoern_> .g "genuine advantage"
02:28:58 <phenny> "genuine advantage": http://www.microsoft.com/genuine/downloads/whyValidate.aspx
02:29:33 <sbp> aw, nuts. hoping that'd be real validation for a moment
02:29:47 <bjoern_> heh
02:30:19 <crschmidt> Anyway, from Leisure suit larry 7: "Amazing. Each of these tapes can hold one terabyte - but pretty soon it will take two of these just to hold microsoft office" - from 1996
02:30:34 <sbp> "All the HTML documents on your hard drive must validate, otherwise XP will shut down."
02:30:36 <kpreid> something's wrong here
02:30:39 <kpreid> HEH.
02:31:01 <crschmidt> I was just impressed that it was so accurate, even back in 1996.
02:31:40 <sbp> well we're still a couple of months off from it being true...
02:31:41 <d8uv> sbp: As you can tell, I'm ignoring you.
02:31:55 <kpreid> oh well, I'll have to do my experiments later.
02:32:04 <sbp> d8uv: I'll send kandinski around if you're not careful
02:32:23 <sbp> experiments?
02:32:30 <sbp> HCl involved, perchance?
02:32:37 <d8uv> Actually, I'll give you a choice. Should I do Ghyll or blog?
02:32:45 <sbp> WARNING. HCl may be acidic!
02:32:55 <kpreid> sbp: nah. only hehs.
02:33:04 <sbp> d8uv: hmm. what would the blog thingy entail?
02:33:05 <bjoern_> Swhack should let Monty fill out the Google GLAT and send it back to them.
02:33:06 <Monty> Colquhoun (pronounced Chumley)
02:33:11 <sbp> kpreid: intriguing...
02:33:15 <d8uv> sbp: Me finishing it
02:33:19 <sbp> hey, he's learning
02:33:34 <sbp> d8uv: finishing it tonight? and putting up an awesome post?
02:33:45 <bjoern_> "testing"
02:34:02 <d8uv> sbp: Instead of spending time on Ghyll, would you rather me spend it on blog?
02:34:08 <sbp> you know, that's not a bad idea bjoern
02:34:16 <bjoern_> true...
02:34:24 <sbp> d8uv: oh. er... er... oh you bastard
02:34:58 <sbp> * sbp goes and sobs in the corner
02:35:15 <sbp> back
02:35:25 <sbp> corner sends its regards
02:36:16 <d8uv> How about I spend every third week on Ghyll. Other two are d8uv.com/my work
02:36:46 <sbp> compromise? yeah, that's a good idea
02:37:01 <sbp> you could always have your blog entries also be your Ghyll posts
02:37:33 <d8uv> Heh. Well, I've been thinking thoughts. Moving to #d8uv.com to not bore people
02:38:16 <sbp> Monty: 1. Solve this cryptic equation, realizing of course that values for M and E could be interchanged. No leading zeros are allowed. WWWDOT - GOOGLE = DOTCOM
02:38:20 <Monty> Mine came to build it too knackered to bed shortly as you convert an Englishman
02:38:38 <sbp> [scribblescribblescribble]
02:39:41 <sbp> Monty: 2. Write a haiku describing possible methods for predicting search traffic seasonality.
02:39:41 <Monty> grgr
02:40:31 <sbp> I have this odd feeling he's not going to get a job, unless "grgr" is pronounced with 17 syllables in some language...
02:40:35 <kpreid> * kpreid admires Monty's brilliant extension of the haiku form.
02:40:35 <Monty> 'Description' => "Westeurop\x{e4}isch (DOS)"
02:40:49 <kpreid> wait, i need more adjectives
02:40:57 <sbp> oh, right! I didn't appreciate the full mastery of the genre
02:41:10 <kpreid> more profoundiferousity
02:41:13 <sbp> "grgr" - *woah*
02:41:20 <sbp> heh
02:43:07 <sbp> Monty: 3. 1 / 1 1 / 2 1 / 1 2 1 1 / 1 1 1 2 2 1 What is the next line?
02:43:10 <Monty> Roger Moore IS The trick is, if you recommend?
02:43:36 <sbp> I'd love to see his working out...
02:45:22 <sbp> Monty: 4. You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike. There is a dusty laptop here with a weak wireless connection. There are dull lifeless gnomes strolling about. What dost thou do? [Check out http://www.google.com/googleblog/GLAT2.gif for A/B/C/D/E options, though I guess you'll want to create your own F.]
02:45:23 <Monty> What makes you think I am in a maze of twisty little passages ?
02:45:28 <sbp> heh!
02:45:36 <sbp> fuck, now that is good
02:46:09 <sbp> Monty: 5. What's broken with Unix? How would you fix it?
02:46:10 <Monty> be found...
02:46:22 <sbp> now there's something for us to contemplate
02:46:23 <d8uv> <Monty> How is Unix Broken?
02:46:23 <Monty> What does that suggest to you ?
02:46:39 <kpreid> The Ketchup Conundrum (proclaiming it unique among mass-marketed condiments): http://gladwell.com/2004/2004_09_06_a_ketchup.html
02:46:40 <swhacker> posted 618
02:46:57 <bjoern_> Monty: 21. In 29 words or fewer, describe what you would strive to accomplish if you worked at Google Labs.
02:46:58 <Monty> grgr
02:47:08 <kpreid> That's fewer, all right.
02:47:13 <bjoern_> Is grgr the new "42"?
02:47:38 <bjoern_> Monty?
02:47:40 <Monty> which was just learned what the UK like it?
02:48:11 <bjoern_> @title http://grgr.com/
02:48:13 <supybot> bjoern_: grgr.com
02:48:32 <kpreid> 618::It is possible, of course, that ketchup is waiting for its own version of that Rolls-Royce commercial, or the discovery of the ketchup equivalent of extra-chunky--the magic formula that will satisfy an unmet need. It is also possible, however, that the rules of Howard Moskowitz, which apply to Grey Poupon and Prego spaghetti sauce and to olive oil and salad dressing and virtually everything else in the supermarket, don't apply to ket
02:48:54 <d8uv> Grgr.com : http://static.hitfarm.com/images/template-1-related/image-top.jpg Yeah. That's Scotland.
02:49:33 <sbp> a man with a vision; a dream; an insightfulmentness: "Jim Wigon wanted to create the Grey Poupon of ketchup."
02:50:44 <bjoern_> Monty: 20. What number comes next in the sequence: 19, 9, 60, 60, 70, 66, ? -- A) 96, B) 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000, C) Either of the above, D) None of the above
02:50:47 <Monty> hairbrushes's paperclips holds lovely the_other_cj :(
02:51:37 <bjoern_> Monty: 18. What's the coolest hack you've ever written?
02:51:39 <Monty> list here to google doesn't help Seymour. Seymour
02:52:36 <kpreid> Monty, *you*'re taking the test, not Seymour.
02:52:39 <Monty> Tues/Wed next few lines the tech come from Office Depot
02:52:40 <bjoern_> Monty: 17. Consider a function which, for a given whole number n, returns the number of ones required when writing out all numbers between 0 and n. For example, f(13)=6. Notice that f(1)=1. What is the next largest n such that f(n)=n?
02:52:43 <Monty> should just please don't YOU KILLED KENNY
02:53:52 <bjoern_> Monty: 16. Given a triangle ABC, how would you use only a compass and straight edge to find a point P such that triangles ABP, ACP and BCP have equal perimeters? (Assume that ABC is constructed so that a solution does exist.)
02:53:52 <Monty> however
02:55:04 <bjoern_> Monty: 15. What is the optimal size of a project them, above which additional members do not contribute productivity equivalent to the percentage increase in the staff size? A) 1, B) 3, C) 5, D) 11, E) 24
02:55:04 <Monty> What comes to mind when you ask that ?
02:55:15 <bjoern_> Monty: 1
02:55:16 <Monty> Since it's actually boring
02:55:44 <bjoern_> Monty: hmm... do you think?
02:55:45 <Monty> glass_: ohyeah, i do?
02:55:56 <sbp> bjoern_, not glass_, Monty
02:55:56 <Monty> Do you feel strongly about discussing such things ?
02:55:59 <sbp> nope
02:56:37 <kpreid> .gc eptitude
02:56:43 <phenny> eptitude: 359
02:57:09 <sbp> Monty: 9. This space left inentionally blank. Please fill it with something that improves upon emptiness. " "
02:57:10 <Monty> man, "Heat" is around.
02:57:14 <bjoern_> Monty: 9. This space left intentionally blank. Please fill it with something that improves upon emptiness. [[[
02:57:15 <Monty> jess has problems with lights?
02:57:22 <bjoern_>
02:57:25 <bjoern_> ]]]
02:57:38 <kpreid> say that again in UTF-8
02:57:49 <sbp> .g site:swhack.com eptitude
02:57:52 <bjoern_> .cp 00a0
02:58:06 <phenny> site:swhack.com eptitude: http://swhack.com/logs/2004-06-08
02:58:08 <phenny> 00A0: NO-BREAK SPACE ( )
02:58:09 <bjoern_> HTH
02:58:49 <kpreid> ooh, you log-polluter
02:58:56 <sbp> Monty: 11. It's 2PM on a summ Sunday afternoon in the Bay Area. You're minutes from the Pacific Ocean, redwood forest hiking trails and world class cultural attractions. What do you do?
02:58:58 <Monty> Algonquian, I so demanding
02:59:04 <kpreid> sbp: couldn't .swhack return with [off] prefixed?
02:59:07 <sbp> log-polluter: whoops, point
02:59:28 <sbp> yeah, good idea
02:59:43 <bjoern_> Monty: 13. Which of the following is NOT an actual interest group formed by Google employees? -- A) Women's basketball, B) Buffy fans, C) Cricketeers, D) Nobel winners, E) Wine club
02:59:43 <Monty> free?
03:00:04 <kpreid> actually, why not:
03:00:05 <sbp> I guess he means three--Cricketeers
03:00:28 <kpreid> <sbp> [off] .g site:swhack.com eptitide
03:00:40 <kpreid> <phenny> [off] ite:swhack.com eptitude: http://swhack.com/logs/2004-06-08
03:00:44 <kpreid> * kpreid +s
03:00:46 <bjoern_> Monty: do you mean whether google employees have free time for non-Google things?
03:00:50 <Monty> IMHO, cubic esculent toddlers fornicates with slurping running shotgun!
03:01:07 <sbp> .w esculent
03:01:10 <phenny> I couldn't find esculent in WordNet.
03:01:22 <bjoern_> Monty: 14. What will be the next great improvement in search technology?
03:01:23 <Monty> partners == overture;
03:01:56 <kpreid> !
03:02:15 <bjoern_> Monty: 10. On an infinite, two-dimensional, rectangular lattice of 1-ohm resistors, what is the resistance between two nodes that are a knight's move away?
03:02:16 <Monty> absolutely
03:03:16 <bjoern_> Monty: 8. How many different ways can you color an icosahedron with one of three colors on each face?
03:03:16 <bjoern_> Monty: 8. cont. What colors would you choose?
03:03:17 <Monty> Have you asked such questions before ?
03:03:18 <Monty> piddles ingrained targeted nutcrackers!
03:03:38 <bjoern_> Monty, three colors, not four.
03:03:39 <Monty> bogies loves salad cream!
03:03:47 <bjoern_> Monty, three colors, not four.
03:03:58 <Monty> crossed a "hug" script was hoping it would normally be fine fine thanks I'll oppress your name themselves after that KB contains only twenty or in New York division of our kids are Mikado and Leominster for me. hang on why not:
03:04:27 <Monty> really got smb working!
03:04:54 <bjoern_> Monty, 12. In your opinion, what is the most beautiful math equation ever derived?
03:04:54 <Monty> Are you worried about someone else's opinion ?
03:08:27 <bjoern_> Monty: 6. On your first day at Google, you discover that your cubicle mate wrote the textbook you used as a primary resource in your first year of graduate school. Do you:
03:08:27 <bjoern_> Monty: ... A) Fawn absequiously and ask if you can have an autograph.
03:08:27 <bjoern_> Monty: ... B) Sit perfectly still and use only soft keystrokes to avoid disturbing her concentration.
03:08:28 <Monty> Mancunian mousemats :(
03:08:30 <Monty> fingers crossed! Thanks!
03:08:31 <Monty> really do they keep the Basic Law of course...
03:08:37 <bjoern_> Monty: ... C) Leave her daily offerings of grancola and English toffee from the food bins.
03:08:37 <bjoern_> Monty: ... D) Quote your favorite formula from the textbook and explain how it's now your mantra.
03:08:37 <bjoern_> Monty: ... E) Show her how example 17b could have been solved with 34 fewer lines of code.
03:08:37 <Monty> That is interesting. Please continue.
03:08:39 <Monty> WB (Again) Rafe!
03:08:40 <Monty> hey, he's the lesson from Leisure suit larry 7
03:08:53 <bjoern_> Monty: your answer here: [[[
03:08:55 <Monty> Prove to me that you don't move tender M-Saunders.
03:08:57 <bjoern_> ]]]
03:09:35 <sbp> I guess that's closest to E
03:10:38 <bjoern_> .g site:amazon.com M-Saunders
03:10:41 <phenny> site:amazon.com M-Saunders: http://www.amazon.com/gp/cdp/member-reviews/A1EAT48VWEN7LU
03:11:34 <kpreid> phenny, tell jcowan that this message is only to remind me to ask him the question I never asked about http://swhack.com/logs/2004-06-08
03:11:37 <phenny> kpreid: I'll pass that on for you when jcowan is around.
03:18:38 <bjoern_> Monty: Do you like programming challenges?
03:18:38 <bjoern_> Monty: Do you like competition?
03:18:38 <bjoern_> Monty: Do you like money?
03:18:38 <Monty> What are your feelings now ?
03:18:39 <Monty> salacious pizzas :(
03:18:41 <Monty> if (Evolution == muff) { solar-system breaks chronological spices;}
03:18:59 <bjoern_> Monty: then Code Jam, Google's annual celebration of the art of computer science, is for you.
03:18:59 <Monty> Why do you mention computers ?
03:19:26 <bjoern_> Monty: THE VOICES told me to do so...
03:19:29 <Monty> got my todo too small selection of an ad about blackmail
03:33:59 <sbp> Monty: what should I do!
03:34:00 <Monty> Have you asked anyone else ?
03:34:15 <sbp> Monty: yes, they were unhelpful
03:34:22 <Monty> two and pyramidal hierarchization...Prefer what pre does, make sense, but I came from it makes you will change server that dear boy of being serious.
03:34:51 <sbp> no time for word games Monty, I need a clear direction!
03:34:53 <Monty> RandWord speaketh: playing cards is six :P
03:35:02 <sbp> gah, you pile of crap
03:37:45 <sbp> Monty: French's or Dijon Mustard?
03:37:45 <Monty> Tell me more about that.
03:37:57 <sbp> read the article above, Monty
03:37:59 <Monty> moves arousing mental piddling.
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03:49:11 <sbp> hi KonvIRC. welcome to swhack. this is a publically logged channel, so don't say anything that might destroy your potential future political career
03:49:17 <sbp> more at swhack.com
03:49:39 <KonvIRC> thanks
03:49:54 <sbp> no problem. how'd you stumble across us?
03:50:00 <KonvIRC> /list
03:50:07 <sbp> ah
03:50:16 <KonvIRC> are you guys SoftWare HACKers?
03:50:24 <KonvIRC> Slow WHACKers?
03:50:29 <sbp> no, it's onomatopoeic
03:50:38 <KonvIRC> oh
03:50:42 <KonvIRC> like the sound, SWACK!!
03:51:05 <sbp> right. the sound of people being hit by cluesticks; n00bs, skript kiddies, and suchlike
03:51:22 <KonvIRC> cool
03:51:33 <KonvIRC> so you just like verbally abuse people?
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03:51:45 <sbp> well, we mainly just chat
03:51:51 <sbp> verbally abuse people if they're idiots though
03:51:53 <KonvIRC> is that what they call it now?
03:52:03 <sbp> nudge, nudge, wink, wink
03:52:07 <sbp> say no mo-ah!
03:52:20 <KonvIRC> this channel, it is a channel of the world, is it not?
03:52:31 <sbp> heheh
03:52:47 <sbp> a swhack's as good as a joiito to a blind bat
03:54:08 <sbp> suggestion to anyone who wants to lessen spam: include a "+" in your email address. I can't believe the amount of spam I'm getting from people who've obviously harvested from Web pages without realising that + is a valid character
03:54:24 <sbp> of course, it all gets filtered out easily thence
03:55:48 <sbp> (this is it, by the way. just me talking to myself, the occasional quit, and also bits 'n' bobs from Monty whenever I speak about him)
03:55:49 <Monty> ``[[[
03:56:03 <sbp> you need to get more ]]]-happy, Monty
03:56:06 <Monty> I reckon Hyrule Castle + family = filth!!!
03:56:11 <sbp> quite
03:59:20 <d8uv> There's also me! Kinda
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03:59:43 <sbp> oh right. d8uv
04:00:33 <kpreid> sbp: interesting
04:00:58 <KonvIRC> has anyone ever seen Zardoz?
04:01:02 <sbp> in fact, I don't think I've had a single spam yet to an address with a + in it!
04:01:06 <kpreid> Practical value in rigorous standard implementation!
04:01:30 <kpreid> .seen Zardoz
04:01:36 <phenny> zardoz seen joining #esp ~ 4 day(s) 18 hr(s) 28 min(s) 9 sec(s) ago
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04:04:05 <d8uv> So, email addresses can have + in them, but harvesters get confused about it?
04:04:27 <sbp> that appears to be the case, yep
04:04:59 <d8uv> Awesome!
04:05:11 <d8uv> I need to change my name to +8uv
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04:05:37 <sbp> I did it so that I could track which things I participate in via email are most given over to spammers, e.g. to track sites that give away my address when they say that they won't, but it had this secondary effect of simply blocking the spam too
04:05:57 <sbp> word of warning though: some sites don't accept email addresses with + in them since their regexps arew inadequate
04:06:01 <sbp> hey there jcowan
04:06:09 <jcowan> Hey, sbp. Have you given up sleeping at night altogether?
04:06:12 <phenny> jcowan: 03:11Z <kpreid> tell jcowan that this message is only to remind me to ask him the question I never asked about http://swhack.com/logs/2004-06-08
04:06:19 <sbp> sleep?
04:06:29 <jcowan> sbp hath murdered sleep?
04:06:29 <sbp> oh, that thing. well I always sleep at night BPT!
04:06:59 <jcowan> You don't fool me with that time zone routine. It's 5 in the morning chez toi.
04:07:06 <kpreid> jcowan:
04:07:31 <kpreid> so what IS 'Wordchess', in the context of that log?
04:08:47 <jcowan> Well, the players alternate single words.
04:08:59 <jcowan> sometimes they say "check", and eventually "checkmate".
04:09:12 <jcowan> In F2F games you move things around the table, too.
04:09:35 <kpreid> I...see.
04:10:31 <jcowan> My greatest coup was checkmating my opponent's "Winston Churchill" with "Groucho Marx!!!"
04:11:06 <kpreid> * kpreid admires jcowan's definition of 'single words'
04:11:47 <jcowan> Whatever.
04:11:52 <jcowan> Close enough
04:12:00 <jcowan> I must stuff my daughter under the mattress.
04:12:44 <kpreid> * kpreid waves, attempts to separate himself from the keyboard
04:16:24 <jcowan> back.
04:19:09 <d8uv> * d8uv exploodes
04:21:50 <jcowan> Boy, that explooding is a real problem.
04:22:42 <jcowan> * jcowan makes a note for himself: LOTR
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04:52:44 <jcowan> * jcowan makes another note: CD swapping
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05:12:29 <kandinski> d8uv: booom
05:12:33 <kandinski> good morninog alll
05:24:15 <d8uv> Morning?
05:24:41 <d8uv> Sorry for the delay, I'm on Mars.
05:30:50 <sbp> the nearby Mars of Crapbits?
05:31:07 <kandinski> living on Crapbit Mars Bars?
05:31:35 <sbp> I love Swhack of a morning
05:31:51 <sbp> only it's late night BPT
05:32:09 <d8uv> Early night AKST
05:32:20 <sbp> ST?
05:32:25 <d8uv> Or DT.
05:32:31 <sbp> heh
05:32:35 <d8uv> STDT sounds like a robot
05:32:55 <sbp> or weedkiller
05:32:57 <kandinski> Sexually Transmited Disease Time?
05:33:03 <d8uv> [[[
05:33:06 <d8uv> [21:29] <+Esric> d8uv: you bringing scented oils for me to rub upon my body?
05:33:06 <d8uv> [21:29] <@d8uv> Esric: Sure. Why not.
05:33:06 <d8uv> [21:30] <@d8uv> Esric: /me covers "HCl" on the bottles with magic-marker
05:33:06 <d8uv> [21:31] <+Esric> d8uv: ...
05:33:06 <d8uv> [21:31] <+Esric> d8uv: mmm
05:33:11 <d8uv> ]]] -- IM
05:33:22 <sbp> she sounds nice
05:33:36 <d8uv> ... He.
05:33:38 <kandinski> she is not a she
05:33:46 <kandinski> slow
05:34:04 <kandinski> sorry for the delay, I am on drugs
05:34:14 <d8uv> Not as slow as, say, a mule swimming in molasses.
05:34:22 <sbp> sigh. d8uv's on Mars Bars, kandinski's on drugs...
05:34:34 <sbp> actually, swimming in molasses is no slower than swimming in water
05:34:34 <kandinski> well, scientists have proved mules can swim in molasses as fast as in water
05:34:38 <sbp> they recently proved it
05:34:39 <sbp> yeah
05:34:54 <sbp> TAKE THAT D8UV
05:34:59 <kandinski> what sbp said corroborates my independent finding of that article
05:35:17 <kandinski> this is what the scientific method is all about
05:35:27 <sbp> we are intertwinèdly roxoriffic
05:35:35 <kandinski> I read the article, and then sbp duplicates my findings
05:35:45 <d8uv> I have a study there that proves that kandinski is a crapbit.
05:35:46 <kandinski> by reading a *different* article
05:35:51 <sbp> no way, I said it first
05:35:55 <kandinski> that sames the say thing
05:35:56 <sbp> so I must've read the article first
05:35:58 <sbp> QED
05:36:06 <d8uv> It's the "Kandinski is a crapbit Theory"
05:36:16 <sbp> hmm... or perhaps because I read it more recently it was easier to recall...
05:36:27 <kandinski> d8uv, my ex-girlfriend wrote that article
05:36:35 <kandinski> sbp, yes, it is parens-like
05:36:40 <sbp> given the rate at which I accrue popular news, I suppose that the latter theory is probably more plausible
05:36:44 <sbp> yeah
05:36:53 <sbp> way to analogise
05:36:55 <kandinski> I am not a crapbit
05:37:04 <kandinski> I can prove it
05:37:11 <kandinski> I am doing Dorkbot
05:37:18 <kandinski> not Crapbitbot
05:37:32 <sbp> ...you're saying you're a dork?
05:37:33 <kandinski> QED, OBE, OMG, LOL!!!
05:37:42 <sbp> OBE for that? well I never
05:37:42 <d8uv> WTF
05:37:44 <kandinski> I am a dork, so what
05:37:47 <sbp> SOS
05:37:54 <d8uv> SBP
05:38:04 <sbp> nothing. just wanted to get my facts straight for the world media
05:38:09 <kandinski> after recovering geek as a term of endearment, now we need to take back the "dork" word
05:38:14 <kandinski> we are all dorks
05:38:15 <sbp> who are going enter Swhack right...
05:38:17 <sbp> ...now!:
05:38:27 <sbp> nuts. it'd've been *very* cool if they did
05:38:29 <kandinski> all my dork friends agree
05:38:39 <kandinski> sbp, they are merely late
05:38:47 <sbp> ooh
05:38:53 <kandinski> see, they are making their [off] comments now!
05:39:12 <kandinski> (wow, this is as discreet as it is timely)
05:39:12 <d8uv> It's the sbp and kandinski show!
05:39:28 <sbp> yeah, wtf. stop being a lazy raft trashite, d8uv
05:39:32 <sbp> get in on the action
05:39:32 <kandinski> no guys, I am not beholden to your interests of secrecy and discretion
05:40:06 <d8uv> All I can do right now are juvenile crude insults.
05:40:10 <kandinski> and I have a train to catch in 20, plane in 110
05:40:24 <d8uv> Such as "sbp loves to chew on some wangers".
05:40:27 <kandinski> yes, d8uv, you are a crabit that way
05:40:32 <sbp> .g wangers
05:40:47 <kandinski> s/crabit/crapbit/
05:40:47 <sbp> so
05:40:49 <sbp> slow
05:40:49 <phenny> wangers: http://www.jimwangers.com/
05:40:56 <d8uv> Jim Wangers!
05:41:01 <d8uv> Holy Crap!
05:41:20 <sbp> a modicum of astonishing; a dickens of a staggerment
05:41:48 <sbp> FTL: "Jim Wangers welcomes you to Pontiac's Great Wide-Track era (1959 - 1969)"
05:42:50 <d8uv> .gc wangers
05:42:55 <phenny> wangers: 2,010
05:43:03 <d8uv> That's all?
05:43:21 <sbp> There are 2,010 wangers out there on the Internet today. We asked d8uv which one of the two thousand and ten he prefers the most:
05:44:03 <d8uv> I prefer the wanger of a lady.
05:44:24 <sbp> There you have it ladies and gentlemen. The wanger of a lady; go forth and spread it.
05:44:30 <sbp> .gc wangers -Jim
05:44:36 <phenny> wangers -Jim: 652
05:44:48 <sbp> nearly one and a half thousand of those wangers seem to be him
05:45:14 <d8uv> .gc wanger lady
05:45:20 <phenny> wanger lady: 2,690
05:45:36 <d8uv> That is odd!
05:45:57 <sbp> .g snozzwanger
05:46:00 <phenny> snozzwanger: http://www.snozzwanger.com/Wonkavator/blog.html
05:46:08 <sbp> non-plural that time
05:46:40 <d8uv> I wonder who owns a Billion Dollars.
05:46:47 <d8uv> .g A Billion Dollars
05:46:50 <phenny> A Billion Dollars: http://www.crunchweb.net/87billion/
05:47:21 <sbp> pretty great: http://www.snozzwanger.com/Wonkavator/2003/05/people-are-stupid-pt.html
05:47:26 <d8uv> Dave Faris ows a Billion Dollars
05:47:35 <sbp> 'Of course i will always be indebted to the nice lady in the pick-up who stopped with us on the side of the road and waited for the police to arrive. She was funny. "Officer, the bitch held the phone to her ear while she leaned over to look for a pen! She's crazy! Or stupid! Can I have her car?"'
05:48:28 <sbp> awesome: http://www.crunchweb.net/87billion/eight.jpg
05:48:40 <sbp> ows: is that owns or owes?
05:48:48 <sbp> one letter, big difference
05:48:58 <sbp> unless the figure you're dealing with is zero
05:49:17 <d8uv> Owns.
05:49:34 <d8uv> I made a typo, and in correcting it, made a worse one.
05:52:19 <sbp> imagine if you kept doing that
05:52:45 <sbp> you'd end up all <d8uv> so jhgey there oman whats ' uaep and hapeaneni in the owrls aqna dswhit omana cause I apga all tyypinss the really thefunny and what
05:54:01 <d8uv> I'd have to go into B1FF mode in order to be legible
05:54:08 <sbp> yeah!
05:54:55 <sbp> kandinski: I hope your various rides go well and such
05:55:23 <sbp> d8uv: if you're riding some bird/guy or horse or something, I hope that goes well and such, if not, just have a nice day and keep away from bears
05:55:50 <d8uv> I shall! Bears are scary.
05:55:57 <d8uv> They love to eat faces.
05:56:16 <sbp> right. that's why to stay away, pretty much, just in that one fact
05:56:20 <sbp> anyway, c'ya!
05:56:33 <d8uv> Seeya!
05:59:19 <d8uv> I shall go as well! Night!
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07:18:53 <FloK> hello
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10:53:35 <Monty> Thank goodness, libby is back!
10:53:36 <phenny> Be quiet, Monty.
10:53:38 <Monty> Marjoribanks (pronounced Cahoon)
11:11:35 <jcowan> Enroughty (pronounced Darby)
11:11:54 <jcowan> Fnord (pronounced Crapbit)
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11:19:15 <jcowan> 'If the particle "ha" means, "until this has taken place", then the
11:19:15 <jcowan> sentence "fudayn strebgroynd ha kanjestebgroynd" would mean, "The
11:19:15 <jcowan> food is to be eaten by me, but first the step is to support my weight,
11:19:15 <jcowan> and until this has taken place, you are to be prevented from standing
11:19:15 <jcowan> on the step yourself".' --Flesh Eating Dragon
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11:32:57 <jcowan> Whatcha gonna do when you have to get up at 7 AM and your SO is still telling you a highly important story at 2 AM?
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11:33:09 <jcowan> Spend an extra half hour futzing with a multimedia presentation, evidently.
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12:18:33 <revox> phenny: tell jcowan At 2am, make sexual overtures; either s/he will claim fatigue/headache — in which case you can go to sleep — or s/he will accommodate you, after which you can pass out with no recriminations. In either case, the answer is Sex! :-)
12:18:36 <phenny> revox: I'll pass that on for you when jcowan is around.
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12:31:08 <sal> swhcoffee!
12:33:14 <DrBacchus> Moof
12:41:29 <sal> moof works.
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13:21:00 <jessica> * jessica reappears. sorta.
13:21:15 <jessica> mostly to trigger phenny, if she has anything for me. lots of people have talked to her about me lately.
13:21:19 <jessica> phenny, you're a gossip queen.
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13:34:22 <crschmidt> .wn graffito
13:34:30 <crschmidt> .w graffito
13:34:34 <phenny> graffito 1. a rude decoration inscribed on rocks or walls
13:34:40 <crschmidt> .w graffiti
13:34:43 <phenny> graffiti 1. a rude decoration inscribed on rocks or walls
13:34:47 <phenny> graffiti 2. a rude decoration inscribed on rocks or walls
13:35:10 <DrBacchus> Hmm. Interesting. I've seen a lot of non-rude graffito
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14:52:17 <bjoern_> Monty: Bugfix: The kickban kicked you from the channel, not the guy you wanted to kick
14:52:19 <Monty> ameliorate 1. a small Bluetooth in n3
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15:32:07 <jetscreamer> greetings earthlings
15:41:45 <jetscreamer> ciao
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16:07:31 <redmonk> SWHACK!
16:07:44 <redmonk> my child is in Ukraine. Somewhere.
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16:10:45 <redmonk> hiya doc
16:11:25 <DrBacchus> Hi
16:12:40 <jessica> wait.
16:12:43 <jessica> what's your child doing in Ukraine?
16:12:59 <redmonk> heh. My wife and I are adopting.
16:13:11 <redmonk> from Ukraine.
16:13:25 <redmonk> but we won't get a referral until we travel there next year
16:19:30 <jessica> Is the adoption process from Ukraine fairly straightforward?
16:19:38 <jessica> I know that Romania's had a lot of problems these days.
16:26:55 <redmonk> well, fairly i guess
16:27:06 <redmonk> they have a national adoption center that handles all the stuff
16:27:37 <redmonk> you go there, you look at profiles of children, then select several at a particular orphanage to visit.
16:27:55 <redmonk> if you like one, you then handle the rest of the official stuff there in the local court system.
16:28:10 <redmonk> if not, you can go back to the national center and do it over
16:29:49 <redmonk> hoping to go over there next spring or sumer
16:29:51 <redmonk> summer
16:32:35 <DrBacchus> While it's important that kids get put with good people, it seems to me that it's a crime that adoption is so expensive and complicated.
16:34:17 <jessica> I think that lots of things are unfair about adoption.
16:34:26 <jessica> I myself adopted my older daughter, but as an 18 year old stepmother.
16:34:39 <jessica> (Her biological mother's parental rights were terminated due to abuse and neglect.)
16:34:50 <jessica> But I allow her to see her birth family as much as she wants, usually about 4 times a year.
16:35:21 <jessica> "I take care of you because they couldn't, but that doesn't make them not your family." I think it's good for her to know about her origins, whether her mother had her eyes or her hair, and what they're like and all that.
16:36:19 <jessica> But I did a domestic adoption where by nature of the beast I knew the family.
16:36:38 <jessica> I also didn't adopt after infertility -- I had a second child not long after my older daughter's adoption was finalized.
16:51:55 <redmonk> that's cool.
16:52:23 <redmonk> my wife and I are adopting after infertility. A hard row to hoe, but we're happy with where we are
16:52:25 <DrBacchus> *** DrBacchus is now known as DrB_Lunch
16:52:33 <jessica> true. and at least your child will be truly wanted.
16:53:43 <redmonk> yeah. there really is not much chance of the birth parents being involved, though if we were doing dommestic we'd be open to it I think. The national adoption center in Ukraine rarely has the information and generally won't give it out even if they do.
16:54:33 <redmonk> anyway, if you're at all interested, you can follow along: http://speakshermind.redmonk.net/categories/adoption-week-by-week/
16:54:41 <redmonk> that's my wife's blog
16:54:57 <jessica> Yeah, but keep as much info as you can on the orphanage and what the people running it tell you and this and that, in case your 28 year old grown child decides to go to Ukraine to try and learn about their origins.
16:55:20 <jessica> Link didn't work.
16:55:23 <jessica> * jessica goes and finds it by hand.
16:56:43 <redmonk> oops, was doing it by memory
16:57:46 <redmonk> yeah, we definitely will be getting as much info as we can from the orphanage, and will be celebrating LT's (our nickname for him - Little Tyke ;) ) heritage as he has the ability to grok it
16:58:10 <jessica> * jessica giggles.
16:58:26 <jessica> when I was pregnant, we called Julianne Lump until we knew that she was definitely a baby girl and therefore Julianne.
16:58:38 <jessica> She was 2 days old when our 3 year old asked us worriedly, "When is Lump going to be born?"
16:58:58 <redmonk> LOL
16:59:30 <jessica> I should really remind her of that. Julianne wants me to have a baby, which is sort of hard as I'm not ready, and she keeps on going up to babies in public.
16:59:45 <jessica> Last week at my daughter's girl scout meeting, she saw a 6 month old and said, "Look, Mommy! They're cute! Babies are easy!"
17:00:10 <redmonk> heh. kids. ;)
17:00:36 <redmonk> she want's a little sister of her own!
17:00:39 <jessica> Kids are cute, if time and money consuming.
17:00:50 <jessica> Yeah, she does. I don't think she gets that she loses the-baby-of-the-family privileges if she gets one.
17:02:34 <redmonk> ha!
17:06:25 <sbp> *** sbp has changed the topic to: Edison invented sound. The Beatles merely perfected it.
17:06:32 <sbp> NP: I Feel Fine
17:08:37 <redmonk> ITEOTWAWKI,AIFF
17:09:26 <sbp> whoo
17:09:32 <sbp> Leonard Bernstein!
17:09:46 <redmonk> Leonid breznev!
17:09:58 <redmonk> birthday arty cheesecake jelly beans BOOM!
17:10:07 <redmonk> RIGHT!
17:10:18 <deltab> yay, arty cheesecake
17:10:20 <sbp> hehehe
17:10:30 <sbp> .g "arty cheesecake"
17:10:33 <phenny> "arty cheesecake": http://www.eye.net/eye/issue/issue_12.18.97/plus/books.html
17:11:47 <redmonk> that's great it starts with an earthquake!
17:12:14 <sbp> playing it again?
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17:29:56 <kandinski> redmonk, that was good
17:30:07 <kandinski> I feel fine...
17:30:42 <kandinski> ah, sbp was in it too
17:31:25 <sbp> yeppers
17:38:58 <crschmidt> tell me that you neeeed me
17:39:43 <sbp> o/~ come on and rescue me o/~
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17:58:25 <sbp> woah
17:58:29 <sbp> Victor Wooten's amazing
17:59:04 <crschmidt> hell yes he is.
17:59:19 <crschmidt> uh. if that's the guitar player guy that i'm thinking of
17:59:24 <sbp> bassist#
17:59:26 <sbp> s/#//
17:59:34 <crschmidt> er, right
17:59:38 <crschmidt> guitar-looking thing
17:59:41 <crschmidt> ;)
18:00:00 <sbp> wtf
18:00:12 <crschmidt> but yeah, that's who i was thinking of, and i completely agree
18:00:23 <sbp> heh, he just sorta explodes sometimes
18:03:01 <crschmidt> * crschmidt shakes his head. My brain is such mush sometimes
18:04:08 <kandinski> Victor Wooten's like d8uv?
18:05:38 <sbp> well d8uv explodes himself
18:05:43 <sbp> Wooten explodes notes on the bass
18:05:52 <sbp> similar in intensity though
18:10:15 <redmonk> sbp: electric or upright?
18:10:29 <sbp> electric, most certainly
18:10:35 <redmonk> * redmonk needs more electric bass influences in his life
18:10:40 <sbp> you'd break your hand if you tried to do this on an upright
18:10:43 <redmonk> * redmonk is way too white
18:11:57 <redmonk> plus i need to be able to play while springing around on the stage, just in case I'm ever apporached by a ska/punk/classical band looking for the second half of their rythm section
18:12:11 <redmonk> hee hee
18:12:14 <redmonk> * redmonk hates ska
18:13:20 <sbp> !
18:13:30 <sbp> get Classical Thump if you want a nice intro :-)
18:13:32 <redmonk> i'd settle for being able play like mike mills
18:13:42 <sbp> (the ! was at the song)
18:13:51 <redmonk> whatis Classical Thump?
18:13:57 <sbp> Wooten
18:14:11 <crschmidt> sbp: who did wooten play with (if anyone)?
18:14:17 <redmonk> (someone from wikipedia should implement a unix tool "whatis")
18:14:19 <sbp> Bela Fleck and the Flecktones
18:14:28 <redmonk> ooooh, i've heard of them
18:14:38 <DrBacchus> That's awesome
18:15:04 <crschmidt> sbp: ah, right. i knew it was someone i had gotten some live music from, but the "my brain is mush" is cause I couldn't remember what from
18:15:56 <crschmidt> * crschmidt has MMW, SCI, Phish, DMB, Bela + the Flecktones, and a handful of others floating around
18:22:42 <jsled> w00t-en!
18:26:11 <redmonk> * redmonk listens to classical thump.
18:26:19 <redmonk> my hand is huting just listening to it
18:26:36 <sbp> hehe. Norwegian Wood in AH on the bass
18:27:13 <redmonk> that is just not possible
18:27:48 <sbp> well I just heard it, though I'd be inclined to agree with you if I hadn't
18:30:50 <crschmidt> The song I associate most with Bela + The Flecktones is Sunset Road
18:31:05 <sbp> ooh, thanks
18:31:13 <crschmidt> You want a copy?
18:31:22 <sbp> I'll let you know
18:31:23 <crschmidt> * crschmidt can dump it here, if you need it
18:31:45 <sbp> hmm. yeah, actually. it'll be easier
18:31:53 <sbp> thanks
18:32:04 <sbp> playing Turbo Jazz at the moment
18:33:43 <crschmidt> intergen.internal.wedu.com/bela_fleck_and_the_flecktones_sunset_road.mp3
18:33:49 <crschmidt> http://intergen.internal.wedu.com/bela_fleck_and_the_flecktones_sunset_road.mp3 that is
18:34:05 <sbp> ta and a half!
18:34:21 <crschmidt> Will probably pull it at the end of the day, so if you want it grab it now :)
18:34:39 <redmonk> * redmonk grabs it
18:35:26 <DrBacchus> PIRATES!
18:35:41 <DrBacchus> Oh. Sorry. I had an RIAA moment there.
18:35:52 <crschmidt> Eh. Maybe it's a live copy? Then I wouldn't be pirating!
18:36:09 <jessica> ARRRRR ME MATEYS
18:36:13 <DrBacchus> 50 people in Kentucky got sued by the RIAA for "copyright violation" this weekend.
18:37:24 <jessica> Chris?
18:37:29 <jessica> Thanks for not making the movies rating joke.
18:37:50 <crschmidt> np
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19:03:22 <sbp> ooh: http://www.victorwooten.com/lessons.htm
19:03:26 <sbp> this guy is awesome
19:05:39 <crschmidt> * crschmidt is listening to Bittersweet Symphony - Techno Remix and happy about it.
19:32:04 <sal> Mmmm. Playlist.
19:32:06 <sal> * sal listens to New Order - 08 - Someone Like You (palmisanonet radio)
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19:55:11 <sbp> sh1m¬
19:55:13 <sbp> er
19:55:14 <sbp> !
19:55:20 <sh1m> hi Sean
19:55:20 <sbp> how goes it, you crapbit?
19:55:22 <sh1m> :)
19:55:32 <sh1m> I'm stoned.
19:55:42 <sh1m> Now doing my research for my disertation
19:56:06 <sbp> interesting combination
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19:58:56 <crschmidt> Interesting. MY Oct 15th deadline just got moved to last friday.
19:59:17 <DrBacchus> That's friendly.
19:59:45 <DrBacchus> I wonder if I'm getting cancer from my cell phone.
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20:04:18 <sh1m> sbp are you handy with databases?
20:04:21 <sh1m> Morby!!!
20:04:26 <sh1m> * sh1m humps Morby
20:05:45 <Morbus> allow me apologies.
20:05:47 <Morbus> i'm using GAIM.
20:05:58 <Morbus> can I set up the IRC connection to automatically join certain channels?
20:07:27 <Morbus> kinda doesn't look like I can.
20:07:31 <sh1m> rtfm?
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20:08:32 <sh1m> sbp, DrB either of you any good at databases/
20:08:33 <sh1m> ?
20:09:03 <DrBacchus> I rock at databases
20:09:08 <DrBacchus> I am a database GOD.
20:09:42 <redmonk> * redmonk whispers "he's only a model"
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20:10:37 <Monty> yo Morbus!
20:10:39 <DrBacchus> * DrBacchus smites redmonk
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20:11:02 <Morbus> woot.
20:11:17 <sh1m> DrBacchus well after I get off the phone with my mum I might have some questions.
20:11:37 <Morbus> no word hilighting though
20:12:10 <sbp> Morbus! why on earth are you using GAIM?
20:12:24 <Morbus> cos, i was setting up the IM stuff and noticed the IRC capabilities.
20:12:31 <Morbus> iwhich means one easily hidable window.
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20:12:44 <sbp> ahh
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20:13:25 <sbp> but it seems to make you part every time you close the window
20:13:27 <Morbus> hrm.
20:13:32 <Morbus> yeah, which is hella fucking lame.
20:13:36 <Morbus> it still shows up in my chat list.
20:13:43 <Morbus> i was hoping it'd do an message queue thing for irc too.
20:13:45 <Morbus> apparently not.
20:13:47 <Morbus> bollocks.
20:14:06 <Morbus> oh, and why isn't epr4 done, btw? ;)
20:14:14 <sbp> I'm working on it!
20:14:19 <sbp> viz. avoiding it
20:14:24 <sbp> shit, it's Monday today isn't it?
20:14:38 <sbp> * sbp runs off to the wiki
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20:17:17 <jcowan> * jcowan is engaged in the truly obnoxious task of rewriting changes to code lost in a system crash.
20:17:20 <phenny> jcowan: 12:18Z <revox> tell jcowan At 2am, make sexual overtures; either s/he will claim fatigue/headache — in which case you can go to sleep — or s/he will accommodate you, after which you can pass out with no recriminations. In either case, the answer is Sex! :-)
20:18:05 <jcowan> phenny: tell revox "Ha. Ha. Ha ha. Ha ha ha. Ha."
20:18:07 <phenny> jcowan: I'll pass that on for you when revox is around.
20:21:00 <crschmidt> jcowan: that is indeed, an obnoxious task.
20:23:39 <revox> heh
20:23:42 <phenny> revox: 20:18Z <jcowan> tell revox "Ha. Ha. Ha ha. Ha ha ha. Ha."
20:28:32 <crschmidt> phenny, tell jeannie_atwork smooch.
20:28:35 <phenny> crschmidt: I'll pass that on for you when jeannie_atwork is around.
20:28:50 <crschmidt> Thanks, sweetheart.
20:31:28 <sh1m> * sh1m nuzzles crschmidt
20:31:30 <sh1m> whatcha
20:31:46 <sh1m> DrB so I have some questions about composite keys and their use.
20:31:51 <DrBacchus> Ah.
20:31:58 <DrBacchus> Ok, what's a composite key?
20:32:08 <DrBacchus> Did I say "GOD"? I must have meant something else.
20:32:09 <sh1m> This is theoretical more than practical.
20:32:18 <sh1m> A key composed of more than one attribute
20:32:26 <DrBacchus> Ah, yeah. I know something about those.
20:32:28 <sh1m> attribute ~ col
20:32:34 <sh1m> ok.
20:32:42 <crschmidt> Useful in cases where you need primary attributes per domain
20:33:06 <sh1m> So I wanted to know if people use them, or have mined data to find the possible composite keys in data.
20:33:09 <crschmidt> If I import all the data on LiveJournal and DeadJournal, I can attach a userid to each user - but those userids will only be unique identifiers if they are combined with the domain
20:33:44 <sh1m> * sh1m give crschmidt a cookie
20:33:59 <jcowan> It's better to use composite keys than concatenated ones because of the DRY principle, unless:
20:34:14 <jcowan> a) you know you will *never*, that's *n-e-v-e-r* need the individual keys, or
20:34:17 <DrBacchus> Yeah, people use them if one col id not unique, but the combination is.
20:34:29 <jcowan> b) your particular DBMS is horribly inefficient with composite keys.
20:35:17 <jcowan> For example, a UUID is technically a composite key (time + MAC address), but most databases aren't likely to need either separately.
20:35:22 <jcowan> s/composite/concatenated
20:36:07 <jcowan> The following command will fetch a random URL very cleverly:
20:36:10 <jcowan> curl -s -F frame=off -F popup=on -F "gkey=key: none" -F country= -F lang= -F numword=3 http://mangle.ca/mangle.php | grep newwin= | cut -d"'" -f2
20:36:27 <jcowan> Don't abuse it, of course.
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20:37:52 <jcowan> Basically it picks three random words from a dictionary and does a Google "I'm Feeling Lucky" on them.
20:38:19 <jcowan> If you are going to use this big-time, get your own Google key and adjust accordingly.
20:40:56 <crschmidt> jcowan: uuidgen on my linux machine does not seem to include the mac address in the generated key. (it does on my Apple). Is that unusual?
20:42:17 <jcowan> uuidgen will use /dev/random instead if it's available.
20:42:42 <crschmidt> ah
20:43:28 <crschmidt> Hm. /dev/random does seem to exist on the mac. Wonder why it's not used.
20:43:47 <jcowan> Probably compiled not to.
20:43:59 <crschmidt> * crschmidt nods
20:44:04 <crschmidt> anyway, thanks :)
20:44:06 <jcowan> try uuidgen -r (random) and uuidgen -t (time) on both systems.
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20:44:35 <crschmidt> Apparently the default apple uuidgen doesn't allow options
20:44:47 <jcowan> Ah, it's probably the BSD version er sumpn.
20:44:51 <crschmidt> * crschmidt nods.
20:44:51 <jcowan> Or just old.
20:45:29 <crschmidt> [[[
20:45:31 <crschmidt> The uuidgen command generates a Universally Unique Identifier (UUID), a
20:45:31 <crschmidt> 128-bit value guaranteed to be unique. A UUID is made unique over both
20:45:31 <crschmidt> space and time by combining a value unique to the computer on which it
20:45:31 <crschmidt> was generated--usually the Ethernet hardware address--and a value repre-
20:45:33 <crschmidt> senting the number of 100-nanosecond intervals since October 15, 1582 at
20:45:36 <crschmidt> 00:00:00.
20:45:38 <crschmidt> ]]]
20:45:41 <crschmidt> -BSD UUIDGEN man page
20:45:58 <jcowan> Of course there are no real guarantees.
20:46:08 <crschmidt> I was going to ask that.
20:46:13 <jcowan> Boards with identical MAC addresses have occasionally happened;
20:46:20 <crschmidt> How can a 128 bit value be guarenteed unique?
20:46:32 <crschmidt> all you have to do is generate 2^128th of them, and they're no longer unique
20:46:45 <jcowan> But of course you yourself are dust by then.
20:46:53 <jcowan> That's a biiiiiiiiiiiiig number.
20:46:59 <crschmidt> 340282366920938463463374607431768211456
20:47:10 <crschmidt> it doesn't look so big. it's not even as long as my index finger.
20:47:13 <jcowan> About 10^31 years.
20:47:29 <crschmidt> (Luckily, that's not a statement that girls often utter to me>)
20:47:30 <jcowan> Oh, wait, it uses clunks, not seconds.
20:48:03 <jcowan> "You better not ... and if I ever find out you did ..."
20:48:37 <jcowan> 2e21 years.
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20:53:13 <redmonk> * redmonk pulls himself back from the brink of buying a 40 hour tivo and usb network adapter on impulse
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20:54:34 <DrBacchus> redmonk: I hate it when that happens.
20:54:44 <sal> yeah. resistance sucks.
20:54:48 <sal> i heart my tivo.
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20:55:18 <redmonk> oh, it will be mine. but not on impulse.
20:55:44 <jcowan> The trouble with my getting a tivo is that I have about 800 hours of timeshifted SLP content and still growing.
20:56:34 <redmonk> SLP?
20:57:35 <jcowan> super long play, as in 8 hours per T-160 VHS tape.
20:57:35 <sal> heh; those are my initials.
20:57:41 <redmonk> ah
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21:13:22 <redmonk> anyone know if you can use paypal with amazon
21:13:23 <redmonk> ?
21:16:50 <sal> it does not appear so.
21:17:45 <redmonk> bumer
21:17:58 <jcowan> That would be tantamount to Amazon accepting cheques.
21:18:43 <redmonk> not really.
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21:38:42 <Monty> Thank goodness, dydimustk is back!
21:38:44 <phenny> Be quiet, Monty.
21:38:45 <Monty> hee hee hee
21:40:05 <dydimustk> yeah, shut up monty
21:40:07 <Monty> It's a man I tell crschmidt is off"! :)
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21:49:24 <crschmidt> hey, jcowan's name on rdf-interest
21:52:09 <jcowan> ARrrgh.
21:52:14 <jcowan> Nassssssty bug.
21:52:29 <jcowan> And all because of a bogus API that doesn't give you enough fine control.
21:53:03 <jcowan> Instead of turning off F_CDATA, the "I can have any old markup inside" flag for <script> and <style>,
21:53:22 <jcowan> my test harness was replacing the entire Element object.
21:53:30 <jcowan> With an old bogus version thereof.
21:53:31 <jcowan> Arrrgh.
21:53:36 <jcowan> Rrowrr.
21:54:00 <jcowan> * jcowan has put "Fix bogus API" on the TODO list.
21:56:00 <jcowan> That problem alone inflated the problematic tests from 1% to 37% of all tests!
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22:37:50 <redmonk> oh man.
22:37:53 <redmonk> I want Froogle Local
22:38:14 <redmonk> so Google can tell me what stores in my area have the cheapest price on a product
22:42:48 <sh1m> yeah england sucks for things like that
22:42:58 <sh1m> froogle uk would be nice
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22:58:53 <sh1m> hey crschmid1
22:58:54 <sh1m> wb
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23:06:54 <d8uv> Hello #swhack!
23:09:28 <jsled> d8uv!
23:09:37 <sbp> yo yo d8uv, jsled
23:09:39 <sh1m> * sh1m coughs a bit
23:10:21 <d8uv> Totlly on a cheap wirless mouse
23:10:31 <sbp> wirless keyboard too apparently
23:10:46 <jsled> or maybe just eLess.
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