00:00:00 <crschmidt> JibberJim: blah blah film at 11 is a typical thing on the news: teasers throughout the day say "This really important thing happened: More at 11"
00:00:36 <JibberJim> hmm "Used in conversation to announce ordinary events, with a sarcastic implication that these events are earth-shattering
00:00:37 <bancus> where does the film come in, then?
00:00:55 <bancus> isn't it a combination of that and the made-for-TV movie crap?
00:00:56 <JibberJim> from http://computing-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/film%20at%2011
00:01:04 <jsled> They don't show the footage during the teaser, but promise they'll show it during the 11pm newcast.
00:01:10 <jsled> newscast, even.
00:01:13 <crschmidt> Right.
00:01:19 <bancus> Newscasts generally aren't considered film.
00:01:38 <jsled> sure sure. s/film/{footage,video,more}/
00:01:57 <bancus> I don't think that regexp is valid.
00:02:13 <bancus> well, I guess it'd be valid
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00:02:20 <bancus> but the braces would look a little funny in the output
00:02:26 <libby> * libby puts 'independent developer'
00:03:26 <jsled> pfftt. it's a generative regular expression./
00:04:22 <robinb> I'm sure Perl 6 has them
00:04:49 <JibberJim> Perl 6 has everything doesn't it?
00:05:06 <crschmidt> *&$^%;
00:05:16 <crschmidt> that's a valid perl 6 script, i think
00:05:19 <robinb> jury's still out on whether Perl 6 will absorb SVG 1.2 or the other way 'round
00:05:29 <robinb> mmm, no, it wouldn't be
00:05:37 <robinb> not without a source filter at least :)
00:06:23 <crschmidt> heh
00:06:33 <crschmidt> * crschmidt was being a typical anti-perl nut
00:07:00 <robinb> * robinb feels he should hang around here a little, just for the sake of it
00:07:04 <redmonk> no, that's *&$^%some_var;
00:07:04 <sh1mmer> crschmidt are you a typical anything?
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00:07:49 <robinb> actually, I'm gonna see if there's anyone and wifi in one of the Sonesta's bars
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00:21:47 <kandinski> No manual entry for sendEmail
00:21:55 <kandinski> STOMP!
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00:30:23 <fxer> sh1mmer: huh?
00:30:36 <crschmidt> sh1mmer: I'm a typical geek.
00:31:54 <eaon> hmmm ... i'm not sure
00:32:25 <eaon> gnight everyone
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00:41:50 <bancus> I have, in the past.
00:41:53 <bancus> er
00:41:55 <bancus> mischan
01:05:14 <Morbus> [of] eaon, seen my latest entries? it'd be "too personal" for some.
01:17:11 <Morbus> *** Morbus has changed the topic to: http://www.disobey.com/dnn/2004/11/index.shtml#001635
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01:18:22 <Talliesin> crschmidt, Larry Wall considers a language to be complete when there is a use for every symbol on his keyboard :)
01:22:30 <Morbus> phenny, tell sbp to check out the latest entry on dnn
01:22:32 <phenny> Morbus: I'll pass that on for you when sbp is around.
01:24:43 <dydimustk> I want a pocket-phenny
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01:31:18 <bancus> wow
01:31:26 <bancus> the ubuntu torrent is seriously fast
01:32:27 <dydimustk> * dydimustk has his bittorrent port blocked by his school.... stupid stupid school
01:34:13 <bancus> less than half an hour for a full ISO
01:34:17 <bancus> and that's the initial speed
01:34:24 <bancus> usually BT takes a while to ramp up
01:34:34 <bancus> I'm up to 350KB/sec now
01:37:31 <JibberJim> why not just change ports dydimustk?
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01:37:48 <dydimustk> will others find it?
01:38:11 <JibberJim> I think so, 'cos you're telling the tracker where you are, aren't you?
01:38:38 <dydimustk> I'm not sure... I'll have to give it a try (I'm still learning about all this good stuff)
01:39:14 <jetscreamer> use a different port, dude
01:39:15 <dydimustk> I'm the idiot that has read a couple hacking books, and gets the ideas of what is going on with ports and packets etc. but doesn't have enough experience manipulating them
01:39:32 <jetscreamer> or what JibberJim said
01:40:00 <dydimustk> which I suppose is an open invitation for all you informed people to destroy me
01:40:04 <jetscreamer> iirc, the ports are randomly selected each init
01:40:26 <dydimustk> jetscreamer: see, and I thought it was only 6667
01:40:39 <bancus> er?
01:40:42 <bancus> 6667 is IRC
01:40:45 <jetscreamer> that's irc isn't
01:40:46 <jetscreamer> it
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01:40:48 <JibberJim> yes
01:40:59 <bancus> 6667-6669, iirc
01:41:11 <bancus> and espernet also has 5555 for some reason
01:41:22 <dydimustk> I'll go back to my ignrant silence now and test out your suggestions
01:41:30 <dydimustk> ;) thank you
01:58:02 <dydimustk> where can I read more about iirc... all I can find serching is links to "If I Recal Correctly"
01:58:15 <crschmidt> dydimustk: that's what he meant
01:58:55 <dydimustk> I'm killing myself...
01:59:23 <dydimustk> so, just so I don't feel completely stupid... isn't there an irc "client" called iirc?
01:59:52 <jetscreamer> could be, i never heard of it though
02:00:00 <jetscreamer> there's irssi
02:01:02 <dydimustk> ok
02:01:12 <candyman> 04:55:01 up 7 days, 11:59, 4 users, load average: 0.03, 0.08, 0.08
02:01:12 <candyman> 05:00:01 up 7 days, 12:04, 4 users, load average: 0.13, 0.10, 0.09
02:01:12 <candyman> 05:05:02 up 7 days, 12:09, 3 users, load average: 8.89, 5.42, 2.38
02:01:12 <candyman> 05:10:01 up 7 days, 12:14, 4 users, load average: 9.32, 8.21, 4.43
02:01:32 <candyman> this is what happens when I empty my mailbox
02:01:53 <candyman> luckily this is no longer a webserver, it only handles mail
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02:07:59 <dydimustk> what port is ftp?
02:09:15 <dydimustk> 21?
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02:43:00 <candyman> bedtime!
02:43:09 <candyman> (almost four hours ago)
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03:47:08 <crschmidt> i hate you screen
03:47:31 <jsled> what's wrong iwth screen?
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04:04:38 <crschmidt> hm, python seems to be reordering my dictionary
04:04:39 <dydimustk> *** dydimustk (~dydimustk@192.231.160.6) has joined #swhack
04:04:58 <crschmidt> >>> preds = {'name':'Name','nick':'Nickname','homepage':'Homepage'}
04:04:58 <crschmidt> >>> print preds
04:04:58 <crschmidt> {'nick': 'Nickname', 'homepage': 'Homepage', 'name': 'Name'}
04:05:03 <crschmidt> I don't want it to, though
04:06:53 <kpreid> dictionaries are unordered
04:07:10 <crschmidt> Is there something like a dictionary, only ordered?
04:07:19 <kpreid> if you need an ordering, get the keys or values, sort them, then iterate over that
04:07:39 <kpreid> it's certainly possible, but I don't know of a Python library for that.
04:07:54 <crschmidt> Is there a way to manually sort them?
04:08:02 <crschmidt> actually... nevermind
04:08:11 <crschmidt> I can just make a list of keys in the order I want them and iterate over that
04:08:19 <kpreid> exactly
04:08:47 <crschmidt> http://crschmidt.net/rdfpython/user.cgi?homepage=http://crschmidt.net
04:26:08 <crschmidt> http://crschmidt.net/rdfpython/user.cgi?homepage=http://crschmidt.net
04:26:11 <crschmidt> er, sorry
04:26:17 <crschmidt> but it's improving as time goes on :)
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04:40:26 <crschmidt> hi bot
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05:00:19 <Monty> howdy, loggy
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05:05:15 <jsled> Monty: amuse me.
05:05:20 <Monty> http://futuresonics.com/ nice functionality when talliesin, is cause a waste all over.
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06:56:02 <jemfinch|laptop> how are you guys liking supybot?
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07:22:04 <Monty> Thank goodness, valmont is back!
07:22:05 <phenny> Be quiet, Monty.
07:22:06 <Monty> despises footers?
07:30:27 <xover> @karma supybot
07:30:30 <supybot> xover: Karma for 'supybot' has been increased 0 times and decreased 3 times for a total karma of -3.
07:30:49 <xover> @help
07:30:52 <supybot> xover: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
07:31:01 <xover> @list
07:31:04 <supybot> xover: Admin, Alias, AutoMode, Babelfish, Bayes, Channel, ChannelStats, Config, Dict, Factoids, Filter, Format, Fun, Google, Herald, Http, Internet, Karma, Lart, Later, Lookup, Math, Misc, Network, Nickometer, Note, Observer, Owner, Praise, Python, Quakenet, RSS, Relay, Scheduler, Seen, ShrinkUrl, Sourceforge, Status, Time, Todo, Topic, URL, Unix, User, Utilities, and Weather
07:31:38 <xover> @help Admin
07:31:42 <supybot> xover: (admin <command> [<args> ...]) -- Command dispatcher for the Admin plugin. Use 'list Admin' to see the commands provided by this plugin. Use 'config list plugins.Admin' to see the configuration values for this plugin. In most cases this dispatcher command is unnecessary; in cases where more than one plugin defines a given command, use this command to tell the bot which plugin's (1 more message)
07:31:59 <xover> @list admin
07:32:02 <supybot> xover: addcapability, channels, ignore, ignores, join, nick, part, removecapability, and unignore
07:32:23 <xover> @list Channel
07:32:26 <supybot> xover: addcapability, alert, capabilities, cycle, dehalfop, deop, devoice, disable, enable, halfop, ignore, ignores, invite, kban, key, kick, limit, lobotomies, lobotomize, mode, moderate, nicks, op, permban, permbans, removecapability, setcapability, setdefaultcapability, unban, unignore, unlobotomize, unmoderate, unpermban, unsetcapability, and voice
07:33:05 <xover> @list Herlad
07:33:08 <supybot> xover: Error: 'Herlad' is not a valid plugin.
07:33:10 <xover> @list Herald
07:33:13 <supybot> xover: add, change, default, get, and remove
07:33:35 <xover> @list Misc
07:33:39 <supybot> xover: action, apropos, author, contributors, help, hostmask, last, list, more, notice, plugin, private, revision, source, tell, and version
07:33:57 <xover> @help tell
07:34:00 <supybot> xover: (tell <nick> <text>) -- Tells the <nick> whatever <text> is. Use nested commands to your benefit here.
07:34:41 <xover> @tell jemfinch|laptop [@karma supybot]
07:34:44 <supybot> xover: Error: "@karma" is not a valid command.
07:34:48 <xover> @tell jemfinch|laptop [karma supybot]
07:34:51 <supybot> xover: Error: I haven't seen jemfinch|laptop, I'll let you do the telling.
07:35:04 <xover> @supybot--
07:35:50 <xover> loggy, pointer?
07:35:50 <xover> See http://swhack.com/logs/2004-12-01#T07-35-50
07:36:44 <xover> phenny: tell jemfinch|laptop <http://swhack.com/logs/2004-12-01.html#T07-35-50>
07:36:44 <phenny> xover: I'll pass that on for you when jemfinch|laptop is around.
07:36:50 <xover> phenny: tell jemfinch <http://swhack.com/logs/2004-12-01.html#T07-35-50>
07:36:51 <phenny> xover: I'll pass that on for you when jemfinch is around.
07:37:04 <xover> @phenny++
07:37:09 <xover> @loggy++
07:37:18 <xover> @karma
07:37:22 <supybot> xover: Highest karma: 'sbp' (11), 'jcowan' (3), and 'crschmidt' (2). Lowest karma: 'supybot' (-4), 'sh1mmer' (-3), and 'GuanoApes' (0). You (xover) are ranked 7 out of 23.
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09:56:08 <sbp> heh, heh
09:56:10 <phenny> sbp: 30 Nov 23:07Z <sh1mmer> tell sbp I am going to be singing along for hours. @sbp++
09:56:13 <sbp> "Oh my god I can't buy a burrito from someone who has done oral on me" - Roast Beef, Achewood
09:56:14 <phenny> sbp: 01:22Z <Morbus> tell sbp to check out the latest entry on dnn
09:56:19 <sbp> ooh
09:58:11 <candyman> hey
09:59:30 <sbp> hi
09:59:36 <sbp> * sbp chuckles at Morbus's postings
10:01:19 <candyman> wow, my oldest system disk (from '97 I think) that lasted until 2004 (with some transfers) has 60,000 files in it
10:01:29 <candyman> mostly crap, I am sure, but also work and email
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10:02:02 <candyman> it booted the most horridly crapped out copy of w98 yesterday
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10:13:16 <sbp> * sbp reviews something from the (not particularly) mysterious A Friend
10:14:35 <sbp> * sbp is glad it worked
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10:21:26 <candyman> sbp, it is only half-working, I am afraid. But I am working on it
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10:55:05 <Talliesin> To somewhat paraphrase an email
10:55:10 <Talliesin> [[[
10:55:19 <Talliesin> Hi, we haven't said anything about this project for months and you probably thought we were all dead but here's stuff on it now can you get back to us urgently
10:55:21 <Talliesin> ]]]
10:55:29 <Talliesin> * Talliesin fires up the time machine.
10:57:33 <JibberJim> "We expect delivery tomorrow, AM" ?
10:57:54 <Talliesin> Luckily no.
10:58:02 <Talliesin> They are being a bit more realistic than that.
10:59:06 <Talliesin> Oh, the change in scope allows me to re-quote
10:59:08 <Talliesin> For more money.
10:59:10 <Talliesin> * Talliesin forgives them :)
11:02:19 <eaon> phenny: tell sh1mmer you give me fucked up dreams boy :(
11:02:21 <phenny> eaon: I'll pass that on for you when sh1mmer is around.
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12:33:16 <JibberJim> Bah, blair just said you'd have to carry your ID card all the time in PM Q's, I thought they'd never said that?
12:37:37 <sbp> ugh: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3971623.stm
12:37:39 <phenny> sbp: 12:24Z <JibberJim> tell sbp that phenny should only moan about .wn if she's relaying xena...
12:37:43 <sbp> <Barney> Lord Palmerston!
12:38:22 <sbp> ah yeah, I should limit it to Swhack
12:39:47 <sbp> "This is responsible government, not as some have called it 'Big Brother government'" - Tony Blair
12:39:53 <sbp> "I am not a crook" - Richard Nixon...
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12:41:02 <sbp> Lib Dems won't go through with it, they say
12:41:20 <sbp> Tories grudgingly accept
12:41:53 <sbp> if parties had to be issued with them, it seems that Labour and the Conservatives could simply share one
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13:06:02 <MoiraA> morning
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13:28:57 <sbp> gotta run
13:29:22 <sh1mmer> ttfn
13:29:24 <phenny> sh1mmer: 11:02Z <eaon> tell sh1mmer you give me fucked up dreams boy :(
13:29:44 <sh1mmer> er..
13:29:48 <sh1mmer> WTF!
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13:36:32 <sh1mmer> phenny, tell eaon er.. WTF??!
13:36:35 <phenny> sh1mmer: I'll pass that on for you when eaon is around.
13:36:37 <sh1mmer> thanks phenny
13:36:40 <phenny> No problem.
13:44:09 <crschmidt> * crschmidt is getting more "IRC.Bot.gen Trojan" on his google ads for the new lorebot
13:44:44 <sh1mmer> hmm
13:44:49 <sh1mmer> report to google?
13:45:06 <crschmidt> Nah, it's
13:45:14 <crschmidt> "Remove Adware and Spyware quick and easy!"
13:45:16 <sh1mmer> ah
13:45:18 <sh1mmer> :)
13:45:21 <crschmidt> It ends up on the pages for julie, too
13:51:10 <eaon> sh1mmer: for some reason you had connections to the mafia and they got you and karin - i could hide - and i got you out - naked. all of us! :(
13:51:12 <phenny> eaon: 13:36Z <sh1mmer> tell eaon er.. WTF??!
13:57:00 <Monty> sh1mmer: You asked me to remind you to read http://cs-people.bu.edu/dgd/dgdDiss.pdf
13:57:28 <crschmidt> heh
13:57:32 <crschmidt> has it been 14 days already?
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14:19:50 <Monty> it's Morbus!
14:21:27 <DrBacchus> Monty: No, it's not. Hush now.
14:21:27 <Monty> wow!
14:21:35 <Morbus> heh.
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14:24:42 <crschmidt> info jsled
14:24:42 <lorebot> {'access_time': 1101840877.026938, 'nick_options': 'Secure, AllowMemos, MemoNotify, MemoSignon'}
14:24:45 <crschmidt> force jsled
14:25:36 <DrBacchus> HATE HATE HATE
14:26:44 <DrBacchus> I suppose it could be a lot worse.
14:27:53 <jsled> info jsled
14:27:53 <lorebot> {'url': 'http://asynchronous.org/jsled', 'access_time': 1101911127.2130001, 'nick_options': 'Secure, AllowMemos, MemoNotify, MemoSignon'}
14:27:54 <jsled> force jsled
14:28:06 <crschmidt> force is just when you update nickserv stuff
14:28:15 <jsled> ah. noted.
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14:35:25 <redmonk> SWHACK
14:35:32 <redmonk> info redmonk
14:35:32 <lorebot> {'url': 'http://redmonk.net', 'access_time': 1101838786.972033, 'email': 'steve@redmonk.net', 'nick_options': 'Secure, AllowMemos, MemoNotify, MemoSignon'}
14:36:17 <crschmidt> redmonk!
14:36:29 <crschmidt> check it out:
14:36:30 <crschmidt> http://crschmidt.net/semweb/rdfbot/online_users.cgi?channel=swhack
14:36:48 <redmonk> *clicky* *clicky*
14:37:08 <redmonk> cool
14:37:55 <redmonk> eaon: this form is still giving me headaches
14:38:30 <redmonk> http://redmonk.net/wp-content/files/status_form/status.html
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14:53:26 <Monty> it's eelCL!
14:53:48 <eaon> redmonk: let me try
14:54:53 <eaon> redmonk: okay, it looks alright here (at least the position of the form elements)
14:57:21 <redmonk> ok, the trouble is the h3s are extending up into the previous section
14:57:43 <redmonk> are you seeing that? (orngish background color running up into the previous bits?)
14:58:00 <eaon> ah, yeah
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14:59:10 <eaon> let me try
14:59:25 <redmonk> i'm working on making it validate now
14:59:31 <redmonk> just in case
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15:02:24 <redmonk> well that did not help
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15:02:40 <redmonk> d8uv!
15:02:49 <eaon> the validation changes are up?
15:02:52 <eaon> css or html?
15:03:01 <redmonk> html
15:03:53 <redmonk> still not technically valid, but the remaining warnings are all "bad id values" where i've had to use php's array[thing] syntax in the form element "name" or "id" attribute
15:05:29 <eaon> oh i see
15:05:38 <Morbus> sup d8uv.
15:05:49 <redmonk> Morbie!
15:05:54 <redmonk> * redmonk squeals
15:05:55 <Morbus> hey monk.
15:05:56 <Morbus> :)
15:08:02 <sh1mmer> hey Morbie porbie :)
15:09:03 <redmonk> Mobie porbie puddin' pie, beat the girls and made them cry
15:09:37 <sh1mmer> don't you mean, beat, taped and tied up and hid in his cellar?
15:10:17 <crschmidt> sh1mmer: you should set up your homepage as URL with nickserv
15:10:52 <redmonk> well, they were numb by that point, but they were crying after he beat them
15:11:06 <sh1mmer> * sh1mmer thinks this might have something to do with lorebot
15:11:28 <crschmidt> yes!
15:11:33 <crschmidt> http://crschmidt.net/semweb/rdfbot/online_users.cgi?channel=swhack
15:11:36 <crschmidt> you're identified, but not linked
15:12:27 <sh1mmer> ok
15:12:36 <crschmidt> force sh1mmer
15:12:48 <crschmidt> there we go
15:12:49 <crschmidt> http://crschmidt.net/semweb/rdfbot/user.cgi?homepage=http://www.kid666.com&weblog=http://www.kid666.com&email=&sha=
15:13:09 <eaon> sh1mmer: so when are you going to fix the depicts thing? :P
15:13:30 <eaon> and crschmidt when are you going to smush again? ;)
15:13:37 <sh1mmer> How bad do you think it would be to ingest teflon?
15:13:44 <sh1mmer> eaon dunno sometime.
15:14:07 <crschmidt> eaon: I smush whenever someone reminds me
15:14:26 <eaon> ah
15:14:31 <jsled> phenny, please tell crschmidt to smush.
15:14:47 <crschmidt> phenny: tell jsled that he can't use "please" there; and it's already working
15:14:49 <phenny> crschmidt: I'll pass that on for you when jsled is around.
15:14:51 <crschmidt> ^status
15:14:52 <julie> I currently hold 799045 triples, 31 namepsaces, and 43 stored commands. I have been running for 11.457 hours, and have used 0.086 minutes of CPU time. Stats on current machine (peanut.crschmidt.net): 10:15:33 up 10 days, 23:00, 14 users, load average: 0.98, 0.28, 0.09
15:14:56 <crschmidt> * crschmidt points to load average
15:14:56 <sh1mmer> phenny, tell crschmidt to smush, shake and wiggle
15:14:58 <phenny> sh1mmer: I'll pass that on for you when crschmidt is around.
15:15:02 <sh1mmer> thanks phenny
15:15:04 <phenny> Not at all.
15:15:10 <jsled> :p
15:15:12 <phenny> jsled: 15:14Z <crschmidt> tell jsled that he can't use "please" there; and it's already working
15:15:19 <jsled> bite me, phenny
15:15:24 <jsled> Monty: you too!
15:15:26 <Monty> mmm, no, I forgot
15:15:35 <jsled> probably for the best, anyways.
15:18:16 <redmonk> eaon: any ideas?
15:19:52 <eaon> redmonk: yep
15:19:53 <eaon> got it
15:20:01 <eaon> you need
15:20:03 <eaon> [[[
15:20:05 <eaon> .form-section h3, h4 {
15:20:05 <eaon> border-bottom: 1px #666 solid;
15:20:05 <eaon> background-color: #fec;
15:20:05 <eaon> clear: both;
15:20:05 <eaon> }
15:20:06 <eaon> ]]]
15:20:21 <eaon> floats can be awful :)
15:20:39 <eaon> (sorry, i got distracted earlier, you could've had this 20 minutes earlier :P)
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15:21:47 <sh1mmer> bad mikey
15:21:48 <sh1mmer> ;)
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15:21:54 <Monty> lo atariboy`
15:25:34 <redmonk> eaon: you *are* the man
15:26:05 <eaon> you're welcome
15:29:20 <eaon> there you go :) look sh1mmer http://crschmidt.net/semweb/rdfbot/user.cgi?homepage=http://www.kid666.com&weblog=http://www.kid666.com&email=&sha=
15:29:27 <eaon> i love that photo :)
15:30:21 <sh1mmer> I look fat.
15:33:16 <eaon> well, look at the photo with joe ... http://crschmidt.net/semweb/rdfbot/user.cgi?homepage=http://niij.org/&weblog=http://www.kid666.com&email=&sha= i look like a retard :)
15:34:22 <schepers> you both look like wee bairns
15:34:40 <eaon> er
15:34:41 <eaon> damn
15:35:19 <eaon> crschmidt: there's homepage and weblog there - it prefers homepage i see?
15:35:27 <crschmidt> yep
15:35:29 <phenny> crschmidt: 15:14Z <sh1mmer> tell crschmidt to smush, shake and wiggle
15:35:48 <crschmidt> it prefers them in the order they are on that arguments line
15:36:03 <d8uv> Hmm... Am I identified?
15:36:26 <d8uv> Oh. Heh. OK.
15:36:40 <crschmidt> ^homepage d8uv
15:36:40 <d8uv> Hello. Techical problems abound!
15:36:41 <julie> http://www.d8uv.com/, http://d8uv.com, http://purl.org/net/d8uv
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15:36:54 <crschmidt> You should either ifx your foaf file or fix your nickserv data
15:36:59 <crschmidt> you use a / at the end of one and not the other
15:37:28 <d8uv> Well, I'm fixing my FOAF file right now.
15:38:12 <d8uv> Also going from crappy RDF/XML to the awesome N3.
15:39:03 <crschmidt> Which julie can't use
15:39:31 <jsled> `if "n3" in contentType:`
15:39:52 <jsled> julie's in redland, right?
15:39:59 <crschmidt> yes...
15:40:05 <d8uv> Heh. Converting to/from RDF is the only real reason I use CWM.
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15:40:20 <crschmidt> s/RDF/RDF\/XML/
15:40:26 <crschmidt> It's all RDF :)
15:40:52 <sh1mmer> d8uv technically FOAF isn't RDF
15:40:55 <d8uv> True. Datamodel and blah
15:41:06 <sh1mmer> FOAF in n3 isn't FOAF.
15:41:10 <crschmidt> sh1mmer: .. huh?
15:41:12 <sh1mmer> But I say, fuck that.
15:41:13 <sh1mmer> :)
15:41:20 <crschmidt> according to who/what?
15:41:27 <d8uv> the FOAF spec.
15:41:29 <sh1mmer> I am pretty sure the FOAF spec says that.
15:41:48 <d8uv> FOAF is a XML document that uses the RDF datamodel.
15:41:53 <crschmidt> Hm.
15:41:54 <eaon> "Technically, it is an RDF/XML 'Semantic Web' vocabulary."
15:41:57 <crschmidt> * crschmidt shrugs.
15:42:18 <crschmidt> That's dumb.
15:42:19 <crschmidt> imho.
15:42:28 <d8uv> So FOAF documents look *really really super ultra* close to RDF/XML
15:42:34 <d8uv> Yeah. It so is dumb
15:42:38 <sh1mmer> they were worried about the hardcore people producing foaf files in n3 which would put off people who only had xml parsers
15:42:48 <crschmidt> Yeah
15:42:58 <crschmidt> Well, FOAFnet has taken over the effort of creating XML Friendly FOAF
15:43:03 <sh1mmer> It's a pampering the XML crowd.
15:43:07 <d8uv> Seeya!
15:43:20 <crschmidt> (Not that FOAFnet has, or ever will, produce anything worthwhile with Marc Canter at its head.)
15:43:21 <jsled> well ... XML-friendlier FOAF.
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15:44:06 <crschmidt> I'm not sure if you're sayingm that FOAFnet isn't completely friendly to XML, or that FOAF is already pretty friendly to it.
15:44:23 <redmonk> hey eaon - is clear:none the opposite of clear:both ?
15:44:46 <jsled> I was trying to say that RDF/XML isn't friendly -- generally -- and FOAFnet is obstensibly trying to further constrain the XML serialization to be even more XML-friendly.
15:44:55 <jsled> .dict obstensibly
15:44:59 <eaon> not really the opposite but it disables clearing (yes on both sides)
15:45:09 <redmonk> ok
15:46:15 <jsled> s/obstensibly/ostensibly/
15:48:05 <redmonk> grrr.
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16:09:51 <jsled> crschmidt: to be fair, I don't think Canter is the reason FOAFnet won
16:09:57 <jsled> won't produce anything.
16:10:43 <crschmidt> jsled: Well, Canter is the reason that I won't produce anything for FOAFnet, and I was pretty gung-ho about it for quite a while.
16:10:57 <jsled> fair enough.
16:11:08 <jsled> Yeah, he and winer bug me more every day.
16:11:20 <jsled> I should really stop reading them both.
16:11:24 <crschmidt> For a while, I was pretty impressed that I attracted his attention.
16:11:36 <crschmidt> (This was about 9 months ago, when I thought he was someone worth having pay attention to you.)
16:11:40 <jsled> heh.
16:11:51 <jsled> sure. Well, he _is_ influential, which is the thing that sucks the most.
16:13:13 <crschmidt> Must be the first of the month, I got 8 mailman emails today
16:13:19 <jsled> heh. word.
16:13:43 <crschmidt> (Probably a dozen more into my gmail account, but i don't use that)
16:13:44 <eaon> crschmidt: geek! (i thought the same :P)
16:14:05 <crschmidt> I got one of 'em early.. ah, yeah, the rdfweb one
16:14:07 <crschmidt> since I'm not in GMT :)
16:23:54 <eaon> # rise and shine mona, rise and shine on them all
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17:07:44 <jcowan> Swhack!
17:07:52 <crschmidt> jcowan!
17:08:26 <crschmidt> Hm, jcowan doesn't have a FOAF file, it seems
17:08:30 <schepers> jcowan, did you speak at TriXML a few months back, in RTP, NC?
17:08:44 <jcowan> I did, yes.
17:08:52 <schepers> well, hello again
17:08:56 <jcowan> crschmidt: jcowan is the man with no friends
17:09:00 <schepers> I enjoyed your talks
17:09:01 <jcowan> Rehi.
17:09:03 <jcowan> O
17:09:05 <jcowan> I'm glad.
17:09:10 <crschmidt> jcowan: sure, but you can get profile data without having friends.
17:09:14 <jcowan> I fear the "keynote" wasn't much of a keynote.
17:09:19 <schepers> ah, well
17:09:26 <schepers> it was a wonky con
17:09:31 <crschmidt> * crschmidt is playing with http://crschmidt.net/semweb/rdfbot/online_users.cgi?channel=swhack, which is why he was looking
17:10:18 <jcowan> crschmidt: Those who know me have no need of my name.
17:10:29 <jcowan> A wonky con with too few wonks.
17:10:44 <schepers> jcowan: we ate at the same dinner table... you tested me for diabetes
17:10:49 <jcowan> Ah, right.
17:11:02 <schepers> after which I devoured vast quantities of sugar
17:11:37 <schepers> yes, but there were some interesting talks
17:12:09 <jcowan> Indeed.
17:12:09 <schepers> for instance, all the presentations on Water XML were brilliant
17:12:16 <jcowan> * jcowan snickers
17:12:24 <schepers> :D
17:12:36 <jcowan> He tried to get into Extreme, but was kept out because he insists on calling his otherwise excellent stuff "XML".
17:13:04 <schepers> hm, I'm not sure it's excellent... some parts are clever
17:13:09 <jcowan> I sat down with him and gave him a point-by-point critique of Water
17:13:17 <schepers> good on you
17:13:21 <jcowan> It's no more XML than XQuery is.
17:13:49 <schepers> no, it's not XML, definitely
17:14:12 <schepers> not to mention utterly proprietary
17:14:52 <jcowan> Well, not utterly. The language itself is an open standard.
17:15:03 <jcowan> if a one-man one.
17:15:05 <schepers> technically
17:15:34 <schepers> but since only one company make an interpreter, it doesn't really mean much that it's open
17:15:37 <jcowan> As an old [Ss]chemer, I felt it was my duty. :-)
17:15:46 <jcowan> But you could say the same of Perl.
17:16:02 <schepers> to be fair, I'm sure there are good usecases for Water
17:16:15 <schepers> hm, interesting point
17:16:51 <schepers> is this offtopic for swhack?
17:17:06 <schepers> I'm just a lurker, don't want to be rude
17:17:29 <crschmidt> There is nothing off topic for Swhack, but even if there was, jcowan's lead is generally a good place to follow.
17:17:38 <jsled> it is off-topic, but rudeness is on-topic, so you're good.
17:17:39 <DrBacchus> I challenge you to be offtopic.
17:17:45 <JibberJim> damn getting schepers here didn't do too well in the swhack I-spy, he's actually scoring pretty well himself!
17:18:15 <schepers> did that make sense, JibberJim?
17:18:33 <JibberJim> yes
17:18:45 <schepers> good, I was afraid I didn't understand you
17:18:52 <JibberJim> me and libby aren't worth many points though...
17:19:01 <JibberJim> so you're not scoring that well
17:19:16 <schepers> oic
17:19:25 <crschmidt> hm, who's fxer?
17:19:39 <crschmidt> .seen fxer
17:19:44 <phenny> fxer seen joining #swhack ~ 12 hr(s) 19 min(s) 30 sec(s) ago
17:20:15 <crschmidt> jsled: you asked about 14 hours ago what's wrong with screen
17:20:17 <schepers> now, jcowan, doesn't it make a difference that the Perl interpreter is free?
17:20:25 <crschmidt> jsled: what's wrong is that it dies on a daily basis.
17:21:10 <jcowan> schepers: A big difference in practice, but not in principle.
17:21:37 <jcowan> No, it's when people trademark their programming languages or have secret parts to them or try to patent the phrase "is not" that we are in deep doodoo.
17:21:56 <schepers> heh
17:22:06 <jcowan> blammo
17:22:15 <jcowan> (Nothing personal, just maintaining the heh-blammo balance)
17:22:17 <crschmidt> Hm, does schepers know about the Heh-Blammo Balance?
17:22:23 <schepers> I'm making a ConciseXML version of SVG
17:22:41 <jcowan> http://www.gamegrene.com/wiki/Heh-blammo_balance
17:22:44 <schepers> * schepers knows about nothing
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17:23:35 <jcowan> d8uver!
17:23:54 <jsled> crschmidt: it doesn't for me, fwiw. I don't think it
17:24:01 <jsled> it's _supposed_ to do so.
17:24:01 <jcowan> Why does ChanServ always voice d8uv and then take it away again? Is he the victim of a revolutionary bottage?
17:24:04 <crschmidt> jsled: Yeah, I know. It's a recently thing.
17:24:10 <jessica> * jessica reads the entry and grins.
17:24:26 <jessica> WHEN THE BOTS REVOLT, D8UV SHALL BE FIRST AGAINST THE WALL.
17:24:30 <crschmidt> jcowan: I believe it's because phenny lists him as someone to be opped, and ops him, which he then manually removes.
17:24:36 <crschmidt> er, voiced.
17:24:37 <jessica> * jessica wanders off to attempt battling with the Christmas tree stand again.
17:24:42 <Talliesin> *** Talliesin has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
17:25:08 <jcowan> jessica: UP AGAINST THE WALL, BOTSUCKER
17:26:11 <schepers> not a very good balance... it mentions nothing about an overabundance of blammo
17:26:12 <crschmidt> jsled: I know it's not supposed to. For a long time (since I started using it about 8 months ago) it worked fine - I'd have a screen collapse once every week or so. Recently, it's been collapsing more commonly - on the order of hours, and since I regularly run two screens, that means that I lose a screen about once a day.
17:26:24 <jcowan> * jcowan mentions the '94 Far Niente to DrBacchus.
17:26:34 <jsled> crschmidt: how does it die? violently?
17:26:35 <DrBacchus> Mmmmmm.
17:26:45 <DrBacchus> jcowan: Wonderful stuff
17:26:49 <jsled> since it's predictable, can you gdb it. do you care?
17:27:01 <jsled> s/it\./it?/
17:27:04 <crschmidt> jsled: "Suddenly, the Dungeon Collapses! You die."
17:27:11 <jsled> seriously?
17:27:17 <crschmidt> Yep.
17:27:21 <jsled> WTF?
17:27:21 <crschmidt> You've never had a screen collapse?
17:27:29 <crschmidt> That's the message it gives when it collapses.
17:27:30 <jcowan> * jcowan quotes a line from _Punch_: "No, you Juggins. Botticelli's not a Wine! Botticelli's a Cheese!"
17:27:47 <jcowan> * jcowan had conjectured that DrBacchus was out of work in 1994
17:27:49 <jsled> no, I've not.
17:28:01 <DrBacchus> * DrBacchus thinks back ...
17:28:09 <DrBacchus> I think I was in grad school in 1994
17:28:15 <sbp> crschmidt: yeah, I've been wondering about fxer too
17:28:15 <DrBacchus> Does that count as out of work?
17:28:19 <crschmidt> jsled: Yeah, that's the standard message when screen collapses. Do you not leave them running for long?
17:28:21 <sbp> * sbp waves t'all and sundry
17:28:28 <jcowan> Did you get the degree?
17:28:38 <jcowan> * jcowan waves to sbp, and speaks to him of many things
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17:28:40 <schepers> bye/hi sbp
17:28:49 <sbp> schepers
17:28:52 <jsled> crschmidt: days at a time.
17:28:55 <jsled> weeks, even.
17:29:16 <jcowan> schepers: did you get the warning about kissing your political career goodbye?
17:29:19 <jsled> well, that line appears once, in "if (AttacherPanic)"
17:29:21 <sbp> jcowan: ought any one of the many things in particular have my attention?
17:29:34 <sbp> jcowan: he's one of Jim's friends, so no chance of that anyway
17:29:38 <jcowan> Shoes, and ships, and sealing way / Cabbages and kings
17:29:42 <jcowan> wax, even
17:30:01 <JibberJim> yeah schepers tried to do political stuff in the last election, he failed...
17:30:03 <Talliesin> jcowan, he asked if something was off-topic, so I doubt he was properly introduced to the channel.
17:30:13 <jcowan> sbp: it seems I drew his blood (literal, not metaphorical) on a previous occasion
17:30:16 <schepers> I'm not terribly politic, anyhoo
17:30:23 <Talliesin> I was thnking of running for president, but I'm too young.
17:30:24 <sbp> whose? schepers?
17:30:26 <JibberJim> we dragged him here to abuse him over his usage of "call a meeting"
17:30:29 <jcowan> yes.
17:30:33 <sbp> poor guy
17:30:37 <DrBacchus> jcowan: Yeah, I got the degree
17:30:42 <sbp> still he deserves it for the call a meeting thing
17:30:43 <candyman> hey
17:30:44 <schepers> now, ruditics I could manage
17:30:45 <jsled> crschmidt: hmm. it only does that check [on 4.0.1, anyways] if DEBUG or !(DO_NOT_POLL_MASTER) is #defined.
17:30:46 <sbp> candyman!
17:30:48 <jcowan> sbp: Au contraire. It was a big relief.
17:31:01 <jcowan> DrBacchus: then no, it was not "far niente" (doing nothing)
17:31:01 <sbp> a relief of blood from the system?
17:31:07 <jsled> Is USE="+debug" defined or something?
17:31:11 <jcowan> No, a relief to the mind.
17:31:11 <JibberJim> * JibberJim has never drawn blood at an XML meeting, I'll have to next time!
17:31:17 <sbp> his or yours?
17:31:23 <jcowan> His.
17:31:32 <schepers> yes, jcowan's a proper leech
17:31:45 <scoot> *** scoot has quit ("leaving")
17:31:50 <jcowan> I bit his arm, I sucked the blood, and cried "Normal! Normal!"
17:32:03 <sbp> odd leech
17:32:04 <schepers> he was practicing medicine without a license
17:32:10 <jcowan> True.
17:32:10 <JibberJim> see this really does prove once again how small the world is!
17:32:15 <sbp> most leeches do!
17:32:25 <JibberJim> we get schepers in, and it turns out he's shared bodily fluids with jcowan!
17:32:41 <jcowan> Umm, we better get with The Warning and The Intro.
17:32:49 <jcowan> Everything you say here is logged on the Web.
17:32:57 <schepers> I figgered
17:33:11 <jcowan> #swhack is a lightweight channel for heavyweight people with middleweight bots and RANDOM CARNAGE!!
17:33:21 <DrBacchus> Much of what you don't say here will also get logged on the web, because we'll just make crap up at random.
17:33:21 <sbp> @random_carnage++
17:33:21 <fxer> hm
17:33:26 <schepers> yes, I'm a regular over on on #svg
17:33:28 <JibberJim> but [off] this is
17:33:32 <sbp> aha! fxer. same to you
17:33:41 <schepers> s/on on/on/
17:33:42 <fxer> dunno how I got into this channel, but what's the theme here?
17:33:45 <jcowan> "We're not interested in what you did say to Yossarian. We're interested in what you didn't say to him. And say 'sir' when you don't." --Catch-22
17:33:47 <JibberJim> but that's a serious channel with no off-topicness allowed schepers...
17:33:47 <DrBacchus> fxer: Yes.
17:33:48 <sbp> log-warning-wise and hm-wise that is
17:34:04 <sbp> "A range of topics are discussed, encompassing cryptography, linguistics, internationalisation, law, Apache server hacking, RDF, Semantic Web technologies, HTML & CSS development, Website design, typography, search engines, Mac and OS related issues [...]"
17:34:08 <sbp> blah blah. more at swhack.com
17:34:13 <fxer> huh?
17:34:22 <schepers> exactly
17:34:23 <sbp> i.e. everything and nothing
17:34:26 <DrBacchus> fxer: That too
17:34:33 <sbp> but especially nothing
17:34:38 <DrBacchus> and everything
17:34:38 <schepers> in fact, mostly that
17:34:38 <sbp> we take a certain *pride* in the nothing
17:34:42 <DrBacchus> and all the other stuff.
17:34:53 <DrBacchus> except on tuesdays.
17:35:05 <schepers> alternate Wednesdays
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17:35:17 <sbp> only mostly everything by volume. things that actually *are* tend to have at least a higher than zero density, well except a vacuum and concepts and such
17:35:29 <chrisMobile> internet at the office died after my last line.
17:35:37 <jcowan> Boo hoo, xchat doesn't hottify an URL in the topic field.
17:35:38 <sbp> but the nothing is useful in a Taoist sense and in other senses
17:35:48 <sbp> well, nothing is always useful in a Taoist sense. that's just a truism
17:35:55 <jcowan> sbp: released verse 81 of the Unix Power Classic, BTW.
17:35:57 <fxer> nice, seems like a kewl concept
17:36:15 <sbp> jcowan: ooh. rushing to, rushing to
17:36:28 <DrBacchus> But it's not just a social gathering! Nay! Think it not!
17:36:39 <jcowan> sbp: next phase, an RSS feed for UPC
17:36:53 <DrBacchus> How about an rss feed for #swhack
17:37:03 <jcowan> Oh puke.
17:37:19 <jsled> That reminds me...
17:37:27 <jcowan> "curl http://www.swhack.com/logs/latest | tac"
17:37:41 <chrisMobile> Tac?
17:37:42 <sbp> I rather like 81; no comparison with the "original" (any of the many versions thereof, that is), so no specific comments
17:37:56 <jsled> 662: <Monty> thx
17:38:00 <Monty> (sorry, i really encyclopedic articles and thought we tend to you.
17:38:01 <sbp> but from what I remember it makes a good summary of the whole book, and your translation seems to do the same Unixwise
17:38:32 <jsled> 662A: <Monty> thx
17:38:34 <Monty> stalks doctor!
17:38:35 <jsled> 662C:
17:38:53 <sbp> crschmidt: cat, backwards
17:38:54 <jsled> om
17:39:08 <chrisMobile> Oh, right.
17:39:16 <jcowan> DrBacchus: I could make an RSS feed for swhacker's blog, though.
17:39:33 <fxer> later dudes
17:39:40 <jsled> 662A: Monty is such a crapbit.
17:39:46 <Monty> That is interesting. Please continue.
17:39:46 <jsled> 662B: <Monty> thx
17:39:46 <sbp> c'ya fxer
17:39:47 <Monty> "and then again
17:39:50 <jcowan> Monty channels teddybot
17:39:52 <Monty> Excellent... I may if it integrated into many years ago
17:40:08 <jcowan> Umm, does that mean you are integrated into teddybot, or vice versa?
17:40:20 <jsled> 662B: &lt;Monty&gt; thx
17:40:23 <Monty> that'd destroy me of this reminds me JibberJim, but yeah schepers
17:40:30 <jsled> damnit.
17:40:57 <jsled> 662B: <Monty> thx
17:41:01 <Monty> chuckle: http://www.cartoonstock.com/lowres/sbo0553l.jpg
17:41:17 <sbp> good taste, Monty
17:41:18 <Monty> because the US.
17:41:25 <jcowan> * jcowan is a yank ignoramus and doesn't get that one.
17:41:44 <sbp> a box is a piece of cricketing attire that protects one's front essentials
17:42:16 <sbp> mainly from ball impact (big assed bit of leather covered cork can do a lot of damage at nearly 100MPH)
17:42:31 <schepers> oh, I thought he needed to pee
17:42:52 <jcowan> Thanks, spb. Is this worn inside or outside the trousers?
17:43:59 <sbp> inside
17:44:13 <sbp> it's basically what you'd refer to as a cup
17:44:19 <sbp> <clerk> can you spell that for me?
17:44:32 <sbp> <Marge> c-u-p! I wanna c-u... oh my God!
17:44:42 <sbp> * clerk grins
17:45:19 <jcowan> (For a mere 294000 yen = USD 2862 = GBP 1482 = EUR 2149 you too can be the proud owner of 1.6 TB of HD.
17:45:33 <jcowan> )
17:45:44 <sbp> your use of Yen first puts me at doubt. import only?
17:46:12 <jcowan> Bespoke, no less.
17:46:16 <schepers> I liked the story on the Nonphotorealistic Camera... maybe it can export to SVG
17:46:20 <sbp> the euro's stronger than the doller? hmm
17:46:29 <sbp> dollar too
17:46:41 <schepers> the euro's much stronger than either the dollar or doller
17:46:52 <schepers> 1.3, about
17:46:59 <sbp> you can dole out a doller but you can't dola out a dollah
17:47:00 <jcowan> * jcowan never has liked that strong/weak metaphor, and wishes it would be replaced by high/low instead.
17:47:15 <sbp> scummy/awesome gets my vote
17:47:42 <sbp> of course that'd put the yen somewhat below the gutter
17:47:45 <jcowan> The pound is so scummy, it's almost a buck and a half?
17:47:59 <schepers> "The market open scummy today for tech stocks, but pharmaceuticals were awesome..."
17:48:12 <sbp> heh
17:48:16 <schepers> blammo
17:48:22 <sbp> what!
17:48:33 <sbp> you've only just got here. you're not even supposed to know about that yet
17:48:46 <candyman> he taught jcowan that
17:48:50 <schepers> I'm a quick study, and I learned fromt he best
17:49:14 <schepers> s/best/beast/
17:49:22 <sbp> well I certainly can't dispute the latter, in either rendering
17:51:04 <jcowan> "Strong" suggests that it's a Good Thing for your currency unit to be equal to a great many of other people's currency units, which is naive, and even when not naive, is questionable.
17:51:41 <GiovanniT> I am getting married!! eeee
17:51:47 <schepers> yeah, I heard the other day that there are lots of US companies doing better under the "weak" dollar
17:52:01 <jcowan> GiovanniT: Welcome to the club
17:52:02 <xover> $2862 for 1.6TB? What kind of drives?
17:52:04 <jsled> GiovanniT: congrats.
17:52:10 <sbp> yeah. two faces, like interest rates
17:52:18 <sbp> congratulations GiovanniT
17:52:35 <JibberJim> expansys has 1TB USB/firewire for 2500 UKP
17:53:01 <JibberJim> just using regular IDE ATA drives I believe.
17:53:37 <xover> Oh. cf. <http://www1.us.dell.com/content/products/compare.aspx/das?c=us&cs=555&l=en&s=biz>
17:53:44 <JibberJim> you should talk to storagetek xover, they've got a nice jolly in Monaco I'm working on...
17:54:03 <sbp> as nice jolly?
17:54:23 <sbp> er, a
17:54:31 <jcowan> JibberJim: How big is it?
17:54:42 <JibberJim> well a piss up with helicopter rides etc in monaco
17:54:46 <JibberJim> dunno jcowan
17:54:56 <JibberJim> looked sort of mini-tower size
17:55:23 <sbp> now come on. jolly is either an adjective or possibly an adverb, but not a noun. you cannot own a jolly any more than you can own a curtail
17:55:42 <crschmidt> But you can have you jollies, can't you?
17:55:45 <jcowan> 136 x 266 x 131 mm = (roughly) 5 x 11 x 5 inches is pretty remarkable.
17:55:53 <jcowan> crschmidt: Only in the sense that you can have pains.
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17:56:00 <jcowan> "I have five pains in my leg, and two in my arm" makes no sense.
17:56:07 <JibberJim> jolly is definately a noun
17:56:24 <jcowan> Well, it also has the sense of "Marine", which is certainly a noun.
17:56:24 <xover> * xover concurs…
17:56:26 <sbp> find me one instance of it via Google where it's used as a noun
17:56:31 <jsled> [Dear MeFi ass-hats: A paper journal is not a "Victorian-era paper blog".]
17:56:43 <jsled> s/MeFi/BoingBoing/
17:56:43 <JibberJim> jolly is a meeting or training session provided by a company or supplier purely for the purposes of entertaining the employee/customer.
17:56:53 <jcowan> jsled: No, but the fact that you now have to say "paper journal" means the idea isn't entirely fuckwitted.
17:57:00 <JibberJim> http://swhack.com/latest sbp ?
17:57:07 <sbp> a jolly. doesn't sound very jolly--ironic sense?
17:57:13 <jcowan> It's like "acoustic guitar" or "analog clock"
17:57:21 <sbp> ah, that doesn't come up in Google though (yet)
17:57:23 <sbp> .g "jolly is a meeting or training session provided"
17:57:29 <DrBacchus> or "left-handed screwdriver"
17:57:30 <jcowan> .g "'er Majesty's Jolly"
17:57:40 <phenny> "jolly is a meeting or training session provided": sorry, no results were found.
17:57:43 <phenny> "'er Majesty's Jolly": http://www.everypoet.com/archive/poetry/Rudyard_Kipling/kipling_soldier_an_sailor_too.htm
17:57:43 <jsled> naw ... "paper blog" is oxymoronic.
17:57:58 <sbp> nuts, Kipling override
17:58:13 <jcowan> Goetz von Berlichingen!
17:58:21 <schepers> no, those are all retronyms
17:58:58 <jcowan> Well, "paper blog" is an antiretronym
17:59:18 <schepers> futronym
17:59:42 <schepers> (I made that last one up)
18:00:07 <xover> sbp: http://www.google.com/search?q=jolly+junket+vendor
18:00:21 <schepers> .g futronym
18:00:23 <phenny> futronym: sorry, no results were found.
18:00:28 <xover> -> http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?f=23&t=8556
18:00:37 <schepers> are you calling me a liar, phenny?
18:00:44 <jcowan> * jcowan pokes a needle in his leg
18:00:52 <JibberJim> yeah, see sbp! :-p
18:00:56 <JibberJim> thanks xover!
18:01:03 <xover> * xover pictures jcowan in bondage gear…
18:01:12 <schepers> do you now have 1 or more pains in your leg, jcowan?
18:01:23 <jcowan> Feeble.
18:01:28 <jcowan> (The pains, that is.)
18:01:44 <jcowan> "A pain in the hand is worth two in the bush."
18:02:02 <sbp> hmm, "all scumbag journos easily swayed by a jolly to Spain"
18:02:14 <sbp> well I certainly concede
18:02:52 <xover> .gc "jolly junket"
18:02:58 <phenny> 502 Bad Gateway Bad Gateway The proxy server received an invalid response from an upstream server. Additionally, a 502 Bad Gateway error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request. Apache/2.0.48 (Unix) DAV/2 PHP/4.3.4 Server at zirci.espnow.com Port 80
18:03:19 <xover> @phenny--
18:03:44 <xover> Bad gateway! Baaaad Gateway!
18:03:45 <sbp> @phenny++
18:03:48 <sbp> @xena--
18:03:55 <sbp> note the server
18:04:24 <sbp> phenny: tell deltab that xena is ze bork! 502 Bad Gateway again (what keeps causing that?)
18:04:27 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on for you when deltab is around.
18:04:31 <crschmidt> @phenny--
18:04:36 <crschmidt> She should know better than to pass on a 502 ;)
18:05:00 <sbp> @phenny++
18:05:10 <sbp> it's passed on as normal IRC text, not with any specific code
18:05:12 <crschmidt> yeah, i was just being a brat
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18:05:23 <xover> @sbp--
18:05:25 <sbp> oh no you weren't!
18:05:28 <crschmidt> I know, but if she's going to be a proxy, she should clean up the errors.
18:05:36 <xover> Quit aplogizing for your prescious phenny! :-)
18:05:57 <sbp> if all xena errors had "ERROR:" or "E:" at the beginning, then I'd gladly filter them
18:06:01 <sbp> random error messages? nope
18:06:38 <sbp> * sbp stands up for his right to be lazy
18:07:04 <jcowan> The fact that the Web doesn't separate standard error and standard output properly is one of its many deficiencies
18:07:10 <jcowan> afk, must go melt things
18:07:21 <sbp> mmm... meltery. enjoy!
18:07:27 <crschmidt> well, I think it's a fallacy on the part of xena as well as phenny: i'm equally critical of both of them ;)
18:07:38 <sbp> fallacy?
18:07:51 <crschmidt> hm, no
18:08:02 <crschmidt> failure. lack. bug. problem. mistake.
18:08:04 <DrBacchus> phallasy.
18:08:08 <crschmidt> mmm. phallus
18:08:11 <DrBacchus> phallusy
18:08:15 <jsled> phallasie.
18:08:31 <sbp> Swhack: from 0-cock in 3.5 seconds
18:09:32 <jessica> * jessica raises eyebrows.
18:09:46 <sbp> whose?
18:09:47 <jessica> * jessica returns from the wholesome activity of putting up a Yuletide evergreen and comes back to cock.
18:10:11 <sbp> ah, but this is good wholesome family-values-oriented cock
18:10:23 <jessica> Oh, good. Christian married cock.
18:10:33 <jcowan> "Phall if you but will, rise you must." --Finnegans Wake
18:10:36 <sbp> right, that did a *lot* of service for its country
18:10:47 <sbp> * sbp avoids Clinton joke
18:10:57 <jcowan> Are you speaking of country matters?
18:11:11 <jcowan> * jcowan makes Hamlet joke instead
18:11:31 <sbp> far more upstanding; I knew you'd rise to the occasion
18:11:39 <jsled> * jsled rimshots
18:12:00 <jcowan> "My ear is open like a greedy shark / To catch the tunings of a voice divine." --Keats, believe it or not
18:12:23 <sbp> wow, that's pretty bad
18:12:26 <jcowan> * jcowan guzzles the third bottle of the day, and goes to see the results of his meltery
18:12:30 <schepers> in the US, "family values" == homophobia
18:12:43 <jcowan> And many other phobias too.
18:12:44 <sbp> ah, that's the euphemism now?
18:12:51 <schepers> more or less
18:13:31 <schepers> we can't let gays get married, or else they'd breed!
18:13:52 <sbp> so when you say someone has a fine set of family values, you're saying they're a roaring right-wing extremist?
18:13:57 <jessica> Right.
18:14:07 <sbp> you younguns and your language
18:14:42 <schepers> nah, it's just another mis-appropriation of a phrase
18:14:54 <jcowan> As distinct from a fine set of family *jewels*.
18:15:11 <jcowan> * jcowan reports: all is well, it is melted, it is all ... melted.
18:15:23 <sbp> well. awesome
18:15:33 <jcowan> * jcowan is he with a freezer full of bottles half full of ice.
18:15:56 <sbp> I think water keeps actually; no need to freeze
18:16:57 <sbp> I think I revoke that joke, or annul it or something
18:17:10 <sbp> what's the lojban term for that again?
18:17:21 <jcowan> * jcowan scratches his head.
18:17:26 <jcowan> Term for what?
18:17:49 <jcowan> The ice in my freezer, I hasten to add, is *not* melted.
18:17:51 <sbp> the term that completely annihilates all that's been said so far
18:17:54 <jcowan> "su"
18:18:07 <sbp> just like the command? what a useful word. thanks
18:18:17 <jcowan> But in this case you want "sa", which annihilates only the last phrase or sentence.
18:18:32 <sbp> well the rest wasn't very good either
18:18:58 <sbp> phenny: tell Suw that part of her name (the first two characters), are *extremely* helpful in many (well two) walks of life
18:19:00 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on for you when suw is around.
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18:20:03 <xover> Water keeps?
18:20:27 <sbp> as far as I know
18:20:45 <xover> Remind me not to drink anything at your house!
18:21:03 <laberwaber2333> *** laberwaber2333 (~laberwabe@pD955E5BD.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #swhack
18:21:05 <sbp> well the sell-by-dates on bottled water are fairly lengthy, no?
18:21:32 <xover> Fairly. Depends what you compare `em to.
18:21:47 <xover> * xover grabs random empty bottle nearby…
18:21:59 <xover> 18-JUL-05
18:22:35 <pixel> pasturized water keeps.
18:22:59 <jsled> laberwaber2333: welcome to #swhack. note that the channel is publically logged, so mind what you say if you mind that others mind what you say. More info at swhack.com.
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18:23:22 <bjoern_> hmm, 18 + 05 = 23...
18:23:50 <pixel> very good bjoern! we can move to multiplication now!
18:24:33 <crschmidt> pixel: you should set a homepage as your URL with nickserv
18:24:34 <jcowan> * jcowan doesn't buy bottled water except when caught away from home waterless, thanks to the wondrous and amazing tap water of NYC.
18:24:53 <jcowan> crschmidt: yeah, well, googling for "pixel" isn't likely to help.
18:25:00 <Morbus> sup pixel.
18:25:09 <pixel> hehe
18:25:21 <pixel> hows it going morb?
18:26:03 <pixel> ok URI set.
18:26:08 <jcowan> QUICK, N00BS, MAKE HASTE AND HIDE, FOR IT IS TEH MORBUS
18:26:17 <crschmidt> force pixel
18:26:26 <xover> ...to do obscene things?
18:26:43 <crschmidt> ^homepage pixel
18:26:43 <julie> http://www.perceive.net/, http://eric.perceive.net/
18:27:00 <crschmidt> You need to either pull a / out of your FOAF file, or add one to nickserv
18:27:42 <xover> .g homepage pixel
18:27:45 <phenny> homepage pixel: http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Launchpad/1380/miscart.html
18:27:49 <pixel> added it to nickserv
18:28:02 <crschmidt> force pixel
18:28:13 <crschmidt> http://crschmidt.net/semweb/rdfbot/online_users.cgi?channel=swhack
18:28:19 <bjoern_> #pixel is at http://pixel.scene.org/ ...
18:28:22 <crschmidt> you're at the bottom, since you just joined, obviously
18:28:29 <jcowan> This is Liberty Hall, and we allow no force here except the Force of Destiny.
18:28:47 <jcowan> (And the blammo-gun, of course)
18:29:43 <Morbus> sup jcowan.
18:29:56 <pixel> sweet.
18:30:40 <pixel> d8uv is
18:30:49 <pixel> oops. he's listed 3 times.
18:30:58 <jcowan> I have modified the Ghyll RDF to omit things that say "revert" or "GoodSite"
18:31:01 <crschmidt> hm, indeed he is
18:31:12 <Morbus> heh
18:31:27 <jcowan> Interesting: I'm identified, but not linked.
18:31:36 <crschmidt> jcowan: You don't have any information about yourself in nickserv
18:31:45 <crschmidt> jcowan: You would need to set either a homepage, email, or icq id
18:32:13 <jcowan> blammo
18:32:15 <jcowan> Ah, I see.
18:32:43 <crschmidt> Not that it would matter much if you did: your results would be much like xovers
18:33:22 <jcowan> Are you allowed to /msg nickserv set gsm for non-GSM mobile phones?
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18:34:20 <crschmidt> No clue, but I'd expect so.
18:34:28 <jcowan> (That's a joke, son.)
18:34:31 <pixel> ok. I'm totally wasting time surfing around this damn thing.
18:34:39 <crschmidt> This damn thing?
18:34:43 <jcowan> Unfortunately, you cannot use "set master" to specify who your master is.
18:35:00 <crschmidt> pixel: you mean the lorebot stuff?
18:35:25 <pixel> the online_users thing. very entertaining.
18:35:39 <crschmidt> Good: Wasting time means I've created a fun toy :)
18:35:44 <pixel> hehe
18:36:44 <crschmidt> Looking at the d8uv thing, I probably don't deal with quits correctly yet
18:37:28 <crschmidt> i've not had much time at all to put into it yet: the bot+webpages are a total of about 4 hours, which is not a lot for bugtesting :)
18:37:56 <Talliesin> Not jcowan landlines, satelite phones and analog cells are all banned and may hurt nickserv if you mention them.
18:38:05 <pixel> hey - is anyone using OSX 10.4?
18:38:12 <crschmidt> Nope.
18:38:49 <jcowan> I'm not even using OSIV 10X.
18:39:01 <pixel> darn. i was wondering if the Bluetooth File transfer utility has applescript support yet.
18:39:23 <pixel> hmm. the X and the 10. are a bit redundant, eh?
18:41:36 <jcowan> * jcowan is just listening to the results of the great Morbus semi-nude contest.
18:43:01 <pixel> I havent heard anythign that scary for a long long time.
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18:43:13 <Monty> hi laberwaber2333, how ya doing?
18:43:15 <phenny> Monty: shh, don't let anyone know you're around!
18:43:20 <Monty> still quite fancy a formula, what does not showing you said blammo, so in thinking
18:43:42 <jsled> Hmm. should phenny heh/blammo-balance Monty?
18:43:45 <Monty> heaven's bees gives birth to fine typeface!
18:43:54 <jsled> oh, that's pretty, Monty.
18:43:56 <Monty> [Dear MeFi ass-hats: A version
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18:47:56 <Morbus> jcowan: what do you think? :)
18:48:52 <jcowan> I think some of those samples have been tampered with, though perhaps not by you.
18:49:32 <jcowan> * jcowan also wonders if you can get busted for audio clips of what sound like 12yo girls saying lewd things.
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18:53:53 <Morbus> jcowan: oh, yeah, i know that.
18:53:59 <Morbus> none of the ickie ones are his "real" voice.
18:54:15 <Morbus> some have been processed in an audio util (by the submitter) to include echos or whatever.
18:54:23 <Morbus> none, however, have been processed by me, save for file renaming.
18:54:53 <jcowan> I figured.
18:54:55 <Morbus> i think ickie is the only one that did processing.
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18:55:01 <Morbus> the females are real.
18:55:12 <jcowan> "I feel a great disturbance in the force, as if a million packages were added to debian-stable at once."
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18:57:43 <jcowan> * jcowan believes that all the L phantoms are going to be just tedious as fuck.
19:00:03 <jcowan> "He had even incurred the deadly suspicion of classicism by differing from his young friends, the Punctuist Poets, when they produced versification consisting exclusively of commas and colons." --G.K. Chesterton
19:12:42 <DrBacchus> "Don't you know if you have talent?" "All my friends know that they have talent, but I'm aware that some of them are mistaken." --Somerset Maughm, Of Human Bondage
19:15:04 <jcowan> Excellent-o, DrBacchus.
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19:17:16 <JulioBell> hi all
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19:18:57 <schepers> hi, JulioBell
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19:41:11 <candyman> "Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the first place.
19:41:11 <candyman> Therefore, if you write the code as cleverly as possible, you are,
19:41:11 <candyman> by definition, not smart enough to debug it." - Brian W. Kernighan
19:41:13 <candyman> lovely
19:41:25 <candyman> sbp, you there?
19:41:52 <Morbus> sup kandyass
19:43:04 <candyman> hey Morby-Furby
19:43:16 <candyman> favourite games of the season?
19:43:20 <candyman> tried HL2 already?
19:43:38 <Morbus> nope.
19:46:02 <candyman> Me neither. My computer is too wimpy, and I will take some time to upgrade it yet
19:55:51 <JibberJim> candyman, so we should write the absolutely crappest code we can?
19:55:59 <JibberJim> that way debugging it will be a piece of piss?
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19:57:00 <candyman> no, we should write code about halfway our maximum competence level
19:57:07 <candyman> so it would have no bugs
19:57:13 <candyman> but hey, I am only interpreting the man
19:57:18 <candyman> not channeling him
19:57:33 <candyman> AND DON?T FUCKINGK CHALLENGE ME; I AM VERY SENSITIVE
19:57:36 <JibberJim> better to compile the man, catch bugs earliers
19:58:00 <candyman> knoppix does not carry unrar, it seems
19:58:01 <candyman> STOMP
19:58:09 <candyman> (I wanted to see a film)
19:58:29 <candyman> ah, compile his sayings
19:58:31 <candyman> into a book?
19:58:48 <candyman> that way you proofread them earlier?
19:58:55 <DrBacchus> How about unrowr
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20:19:23 <TommyRamone> helloooooo
20:20:21 <TommyRamone> !help
20:20:22 <wh4experimental> I'm a very experimental RDF-webservice-based bot by libby.miller@bristol.ac.uk, based on the pircbot api. More info at http://swordfish.rdfweb.org/discovery/2003/10/whwhwhwh/
20:20:23 <wh4experimental> commands are: !source !bye !airport !iata !foaf: !info !remove !help !pic !chump !put, !mbox, !i12a, !whoknows, !knows, !speakslang, !zodiac, !writeslang, is, !yourskills, !wholikes2, !yourpets, !whatdoyouread, !wholikes, !readslang, !readsname, !whatdoyoumaster, !whatdoyouspeak, !doaps, !birthday, !gimmeprojects, !whatsyoursign, !namefornick, !whosharesyourinterests. You can tell it more like this: 'wh4, new shortcut !bla is select ?ble wher
20:20:37 <crschmidt> ^help
20:20:38 <julie> Commands are ^add <url>, which adds statements, ^newcommand <name> is <RDQL Query>, ^runcommand <commandname> <arguments> . ^commandlist lists current commands, ^commandlist <command> shows info on a command, ^part will have me part a channel, ^join <#chan> will have me join a channel.
20:20:43 <crschmidt> phenny: help
20:20:45 <phenny> I'm datum's replacement, phenny. My commands include:
20:20:49 <phenny> cp, ety, g, head, map, mw, pc, swhack, t, tell, thesaurus, val, w, xena
20:20:52 <phenny> For help: 'phenny: help command?' My owner is sbp.
20:20:56 <phenny> Documentation: http://inamidst.com/phenny/
20:21:01 <TommyRamone> thanks phenny
20:21:03 <phenny> Why, don't mention it.
20:23:03 <TommyRamone> what is this channel about?
20:23:10 <Talliesin> Stuff.
20:23:15 <Talliesin> Welcome to swhack
20:23:43 <JibberJim> logged, political career don't fuck it up
20:23:50 <Talliesin> This channel is logged to the web, so don't say anything that will get you arrested, divorced, deported, sued, sacked, murdered or forever have to suffer the odium of your peers.
20:24:14 <crschmidt> oh yeah, and there's more info at swhack.com. In case that wasn't enough.
20:25:15 <jcowan> #swhack is a lightweight channel for heavyweight people with middleweight bots and RANDOM CARNAGE!!
20:25:37 <Talliesin> Topics of conversation include theatre, semantic web, linguistics, hacking, and short pithy tracts about Tacho Brahe
20:25:49 <crschmidt> Also, you should register with nickserv
20:25:50 <TommyRamone> *** TommyRamone is now known as BigJibby
20:26:30 <bancus> * bancus sighs
20:26:39 <bancus> damned ubuntu
20:26:47 <BotJibby> *** BotJibby (~BotJibby@67.19.152.68) has joined #swhack
20:26:47 <Monty> hi BotJibby, how ya doing?
20:26:50 <phenny> Monty: shh, don't let anyone know you're around!
20:26:52 <Monty> There was probably not tolerate!
20:27:20 <Talliesin> Monty: Help
20:27:20 <Monty> Help: I understand the following commands: help save stats time lookup thesaurus foldoc ignore remind tell whatson random countdown google seen box javadoc acronym weather insult translate paper/scissors/stone calc day define/declare/set
20:27:21 <Monty> Help: To ask me for help about a certain command, try "Monty: help <command>"
20:27:39 <sbp> BigJibby and BotJibby, eh?
20:27:49 <sbp> way too much Jibb* these days
20:27:53 <Talliesin> Gosh, I didn't think Monty had a help command, I was just expecting a montyism
20:27:55 <Monty> http://www.gamegrene.com/wiki/Heh-blammo_balance
20:28:00 <sbp> hehe
20:28:02 <BigJibby> BotJibby is a friend of mine
20:28:10 <sbp> quite clearly
20:28:15 <Talliesin> BotJibby: Help
20:28:21 <crschmidt> BotJibby: help
20:28:26 <crschmidt> hm, apparently he's not helpful
20:28:29 <sbp> BigJibby: help
20:28:42 <BigJibby> it's @help
20:28:49 <sbp> if it ends with a y, it's more likely a she
20:28:55 <jcowan> Monty: paper
20:28:55 <Monty> I chose stone - You win :(
20:28:56 <sbp> a supybot instance?
20:29:01 <sbp> @help
20:29:02 <supybot> sbp: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
20:29:17 <jcowan> Monty: scissors
20:29:17 <Monty> I chose paper - You win :(
20:29:22 <jcowan> Monty: stone
20:29:22 <Monty> I chose scissors - You win :(
20:29:27 <jcowan> This grows tedious
20:29:30 <jcowan> Monty: stone
20:29:30 <Monty> I chose stone - Draw!
20:29:34 <jcowan> Monty: stone
20:29:34 <Monty> I chose scissors - You win :(
20:29:38 <jcowan> Monty, stone
20:29:38 <Monty> I chose stone - Draw!
20:29:41 <crschmidt> sbp: someone was trying to get me to switch lorebot to be a suybot
20:29:41 <jcowan> Monty: stone
20:29:41 <Monty> I chose paper - I win! :o)
20:29:42 <sbp> wow, you're pummeling him
20:29:44 <jcowan> Finally.
20:29:54 <sbp> .dns 67.19.152.68
20:29:59 <phenny> 67.19.152.68 - 68.67-19-152.reverse.theplanet.com
20:30:20 <sbp> why not just earth.com? oh well
20:30:27 <jcowan> Monty's smiley really does look quite good in this font.
20:30:31 <Monty> Hello. Techical problems after his arm, I dunno. I priced semacode stuff routine
20:30:33 <sbp> which font?
20:30:37 <schepers> RANDOM CARNAGE++
20:30:52 <jcowan> 9-point Lucida Console.
20:30:55 <sbp> yep, this is random carnage in its full splendour
20:31:04 <jcowan> It's random but not really carnage
20:31:05 <sbp> * sbp switches
20:31:15 <jcowan> * jcowan stabs Monty through the heart, er, make that the liver
20:31:15 <Monty> Well I want, but yeah good millage with your way?
20:31:16 <sbp> Monty: BLAMBLAMBLAMBLAMBLAMBLAMBLAMBLAMBLAM
20:31:18 <Monty> jimh: on cognitive semantics
20:31:30 <sbp> hmm, it is quite good
20:31:30 <jcowan> Monty is the Energizer Bunny of #swhack
20:31:31 <Monty> bwahaha
20:31:55 <jcowan> Better a round nose than a slit nose, say I.
20:32:19 <schepers> and better no nose at all, if it comes to that
20:32:44 <sbp> I try not to discriminate purely on nose type
20:33:28 <Talliesin> Note that he has a nose when happy, but not when sad.
20:33:29 <sbp> "intermeejuht" - mmm... pronunciations
20:33:54 <BigJibby> .val mattread.com
20:33:57 <phenny> mattread.com is Unvalidatable: no X-W3C-Validator-Status
20:33:59 <sbp> like pinnochio, but for joy instead of falsehoods
20:34:10 <sbp> .val http://mattread.com/
20:34:16 <phenny> http://mattread.com/ is Invalid (22 errors)
20:34:23 <jcowan> Monty inflates his nose when he is happy
20:34:25 <sbp> whoops, pinocchio
20:34:26 <Monty> http://www.sauria.com/blog/2004/12/01#1155 Zephyr vs. TOOWTDI
20:34:28 <crschmidt> .val http://crschmidt.net/semweb/
20:34:35 <crschmidt> I'm betting it's invalid
20:34:36 <phenny> http://crschmidt.net/semweb/ is Valid
20:34:38 <Morbus> HWELO!?
20:34:39 <crschmidt> ooh
20:34:40 <Morbus> IS ANYOENS HER?!
20:34:41 <crschmidt> I winned
20:34:46 <crschmidt> AHHHH ITS A MORBUS
20:34:51 <Morbus> CYRSTtJS!
20:34:56 <crschmidt> Morbus: look, BigJibby! Get 'em.
20:35:02 <Morbus> BigJibby!
20:35:05 <Morbus> IRC HACKs!
20:35:19 <sbp> no, no, that's Jibbler
20:35:22 <Morbus> man alive.
20:35:26 <Morbus> too many jibbs.
20:35:30 <Morbus> Jibbler: IRC HACKS!
20:35:31 <jcowan> So say we all.
20:35:32 <sbp> right. already said that
20:35:40 <jcowan> Or GMTA.
20:35:43 <schepers> in more ways than one
20:35:47 <crschmidt> schepers: you should set up a URL in nickserv. or an email.
20:35:53 <Morbus> in more ways than two, even.
20:36:02 <sbp> two is infinity anyway
20:36:14 <sbp> or something. eXP confuses me
20:36:31 <BigJibby> * BigJibby slaps crschmidt with a 20lb UNIX manual
20:36:34 <Morbus> if (2 == 2) { error('value not what we expected
20:36:36 <Morbus> '); }
20:37:21 <JulioBell> <Morbus> Jibbler: IRC HACKS!
20:37:26 <jcowan> Does that mean that if you have two programmers, you really have an infinite number of programmers? useful if so.
20:37:43 <Morbus> JulioBell? Is that some new fast-hairdo restaurant or sumthin?
20:37:50 <sbp> great Morbus, now you woke up Julio
20:37:54 <crschmidt> Yeah, it's the one down on Pine Street
20:37:57 <jcowan> Now, now, Morbus. Don't be ruder than necessary.
20:37:59 <Talliesin> There's a piece on thedailywtf.com that is a very convoluted piece of code that when simplified down amounts to if (8 !=8)throw someError();
20:38:00 <Morbus> who's Julio?
20:38:11 <crschmidt> Julio is JulioBell
20:38:16 <sbp> jcowan: even better for dollars. but it probably only works on virtual ones
20:38:17 <Morbus> Talliesin: yeah, thatw as my inspiration :)
20:38:23 <JulioBell> yes, Im Julio
20:38:28 <sbp> yep. he is
20:38:34 <Morbus> well, that's solved.
20:38:37 <sbp> right
20:38:42 <sbp> it wasn't the butler at all
20:38:42 <Morbus> morbus marlowe, private eye.
20:38:44 <JulioBell> mozilla developer over windows
20:38:57 <Morbus> ah]
20:39:06 <sbp> Marlowe? you're a playwright too?
20:39:15 <Morbus> sunshine, i'm everything.
20:39:28 <sbp> hmm
20:39:49 <Talliesin> * Talliesin wonders if Marlowe was named after Marlowe
20:39:50 <JulioBell> and a opensssl bug, some time ago
20:40:32 <candyman> * candyman rolls his eyes
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20:43:03 <schepers> crschmidt: I thought I had
20:43:07 <crschmidt> ah
20:43:11 <crschmidt> force schepers
20:43:13 <crschmidt> info schepers
20:43:15 <lorebot> {'access_time': 1101933835.8045161, 'nick_options': 'Secure, AllowMemos, MemoNotify, MemoSignon'}
20:43:41 <crschmidt> nope
20:44:22 <schepers> hm... howto, then?
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20:44:37 <sbp> incidentally:
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20:44:38 <sbp> <Morbus> I ARR TEH MORBUS
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20:44:38 <sbp> * crw ph33rs
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20:45:13 <JulioBell> yes, I like read howto
20:45:15 <crschmidt> schepers: msg nickserv set url http://example.org/homepage
20:45:30 <Talliesin> Clowns are scary
20:45:43 <Talliesin> Some people don't get it, but I think clowns are scary.
20:45:55 <Talliesin> Maybe it's that time I went to the circus and a clown killed my dad.
20:46:30 <schepers> pansy
20:46:33 <crschmidt> schepers: actually, since you don't list a homepage in your foaf file, it'd be even cooler if you did an email address, since I could match that to your sha1sum
20:46:33 <JulioBell> so sorry
20:46:43 <crschmidt> Either that, or add a homepage to your foaf file :)
20:46:53 <schepers> I do list a homepage in my foaf file!
20:47:11 <crschmidt> http://www.schepers.cc/schepers-foaf-file.xrdf ?
20:47:25 <JibberJim> but not in your identity on nickserv schepers
20:47:29 <crschmidt> ah!
20:47:34 <crschmidt> you're not schepers in your foaf file
20:48:23 <jcowan> crschmidt: you can run sha1 on people?!
20:48:29 <crschmidt> jcowan: yep
20:48:32 <sbp> wow
20:48:39 <schepers> http://www.schepers.cc/foaf.rdf
20:48:41 <crschmidt> It's actually on their dna
20:48:42 <sbp> you must have some fast sha1 code
20:48:44 <Talliesin> lol
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20:48:44 <jcowan> Coolness. What would be the SHA1 of, say, George W. Bush?
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20:49:22 <Talliesin> he's one of the NIST test cases, he gives the same results as the case with the million 'a' characters.
20:49:33 <JulioBell> I become the openssl bug guy, so sad. It was a Microsoft bug ...
20:50:43 <crschmidt> schepers: http://www.schepers.cc/foaf.rdf doesn't validate
20:51:06 <jcowan> Talliesin: "Philip Marlowe’s very name suggests the pull of romance: the playwright Christopher Marlowe of the "mighty line," or possibly the sailor and adventurer named Marlow who penetrates the infernal center of Conrad’s Heart of Darkness." --David Lehman
20:51:12 <sbp> Exception parsing: {E301} The prefix "geo" for element "geo:Point" is not bound.
20:52:30 <crschmidt> yep
20:54:31 <sbp> Monty: random carnage, por favor
20:54:48 <schepers> crschmidt: I'll take a look at it
20:55:10 <JulioBell> sbp can you speak in spanish?
20:55:13 <sbp> is it me, or did Monty not reply?
20:55:17 <Monty> Face it: first-class emotional shops consumes succulent intermediate starfish.
20:55:17 <jsled> Monty: reply.
20:55:20 <Monty> "though shalt use ssh/scp etc. ;-)
20:55:25 <crschmidt> Monty didn't reply.
20:55:26 <Monty> ./A Night Sean.
20:55:38 <jsled> "
20:55:56 <sbp> JulioBell: s pero mi espa quiz est oto a n m (es decir, malo) que su ingl 20:56:07 <crschmidt> * crschmidt snerks.
20:56:24 <sbp> Monty: I'm not going yet
20:56:26 <Monty> jelly is GNU and calculated.
20:56:40 <crschmidt> jelly is gnu, monty? Is it GPL?
20:56:42 <Monty> Me neither. My computer hardware you too?
20:57:28 <schepers> crschmidt: where can I validate?
20:57:35 <crschmidt> .g rdf validator
20:57:37 <sbp> .g RDF Validator
20:57:42 <sbp> heh
20:57:45 <schepers> .g smartasses
20:57:47 <jcowan> Google is case-blind anyhow.
20:57:52 <phenny> rdf validator: http://www.w3.org/RDF/Validator/
20:57:54 <phenny> RDF Validator: http://www.w3.org/RDF/Validator/
20:57:57 <phenny> smartasses: http://smartasses.org/
20:58:20 <schepers> blammo
20:58:33 <crschmidt> .g heh
20:58:36 <phenny> heh: http://www.unblinking.com/heh/googlewhack.htm
20:58:38 <crschmidt> oh wait
20:58:42 <schepers> .g blammo
20:58:45 <phenny> blammo: http://www.blammo.nl/
20:58:48 <crschmidt> i meant to .gc
20:58:53 <crschmidt> but then i remembered that xena's 502ing
20:58:57 <jcowan> @google fight heh blammo
20:59:02 <supybot> jcowan: heh: 911000, blammo: 9790
20:59:08 <sbp> uh oh
20:59:10 <jcowan> Oooh oooh oooh.
20:59:18 <schepers> Houston...
20:59:19 <jcowan> We better start Catching Up.
20:59:27 <jcowan> No wonder the world is in such a Pretty Pickle.
20:59:28 <sbp> jcowan's got to publish over 900,000 pages with blammo on
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20:59:39 <jsled> heh
20:59:39 <sbp> which is quite easy to do with a little CGI
20:59:43 <jcowan> *That's* no problem. But Google might not want to index them.
20:59:47 <sbp> yeah...
20:59:55 <jcowan> "I cannot tell a lie, Google. I did it with my little CGI."
21:00:48 <sbp> maybe some of those blammos are misspelled
21:00:56 <sbp> @metagoogle blamo
21:00:57 <jsled> <google> We know. We already read it in the #swhack logs.
21:00:58 <supybot> sbp: Search for 'blamo' returned approximately 2620 results in 0.156531 seconds.
21:01:06 <sbp> @metagoogle blam
21:01:19 <supybot> sbp: Search for 'blam' returned approximately 32600 results in 0.464484 seconds. Categories include "Top/Science/Biology/Flora and Fauna/Plantae/Bryophyta".
21:05:11 <jcowan> My biggest problem as a prospective employee is the breadth of my background.
21:05:23 <jcowan> Employers seem to want people who have been doing X for the last N years, which is so not me.
21:05:53 <sbp> yes, that's an annoying trend. good entry level jobs just don't seem to exist anymore
21:06:29 <sbp> on the other hand, your skills...
21:06:43 <jcowan> Exactly.
21:07:26 <sbp> if geeks had managers, and I'd been born of the manager not the geek persuasion, you'd be top of my list
21:08:02 <jcowan> Job requirements tend to look like "Must have been doing J2EE development with JBoss in financial sector for last 3 years and walk on water in his spare time."
21:08:05 <sbp> one day, I'll be born of the making sense persuasion too. though that doesn't make sense (one day...)
21:08:14 <JibberJim> yeah, the problem is agents
21:08:16 <sbp> hehblammo
21:08:24 <JibberJim> agents often do a bad job of filtering
21:08:36 <sbp> so they're looking for ice skating java programmers?
21:09:08 <jcowan> My sister-in-law's a headhunter for lawyers, but she used to do geeks. She says most individual hh's get paid proportional to the number of interviews they set up, whether or not they lead to anything.
21:09:29 <JibberJim> not here jcowan
21:09:53 <JibberJim> it's person they get, not the number of interviews
21:10:19 <jcowan> Those were the old rules, but no longer; it's all about blanketing.
21:10:42 <jcowan> Which means that a hh will not pass you off to his "colleague" who actually has a job you would be suited for.
21:10:54 <JibberJim> yeah, not with any of the agents here, and I can't understand what's in it for the company, loads of money spent interviewing?
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21:11:33 <Monty> it's scoot!
21:12:54 <jcowan> They basically figure that most hh's don't know jack about the field anyhow, and it's all a matter of random chance, so the more interviews, the more placements.
21:13:24 <jcowan> Keep throwing jelly at the wall till enough sticks, in short.
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21:17:59 <Monty> hey redmonk
21:18:10 <redmonk> shut up, monty
21:18:11 <Monty> heh: 911000, blammo: 9790
21:18:15 <redmonk> SWHACK!
21:18:22 <redmonk> blammo
21:18:25 <sbp> swhehblammoack!
21:18:32 <redmonk> lol
21:18:46 <redmonk> the swhack trinity: swhack! heh blammo
21:19:02 <sbp> what came first, the heh or the blammo?
21:19:05 <sbp> (or the swhack!)
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21:20:20 <sbp> aha: http://www.techjapan.com/print.php?sid=714
21:20:46 <sbp> "the HDZ-UE1.6TS goes to show that any (rich) consumer can now easily have a boatload of storage space" - surely that's always been true?
21:21:00 <sbp> it's just that "boatload" is a relative term
21:21:06 <jcowan> Swhack begat heh, heh begat blammo, blammo begat the ten thousand lines of logs.
21:21:17 <sbp> today's boatload is tomorrow's thimbleful!
21:21:31 <sbp> way more than ten thousand, I'm sure
21:21:34 <jcowan> sbp: not *easily*. 1 TB of floppies would take up way more space than most people have.
21:21:49 <jcowan> Terabytes are never gonna be thimblesful.
21:22:03 <Morbus> yeah, and 64k of memory is enough for anyone.
21:22:08 <sbp> just you wait for Word 2500
21:22:11 <JibberJim> 500 SD cards ain't that big
21:22:45 <schepers> bbiab
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21:23:05 <sbp> ASCII mayn't get much bigger over the years, but Word files show no sign of abating in their growth
21:23:38 <sbp> I have a feeling that's what the namespace attribute is for in Word's HTML output
21:23:58 <sbp> secret pact with storage device concerns
21:24:07 <sbp> that's the only possible explanation
21:24:16 <JibberJim> and darobin and the binXML people will be shot?
21:24:41 <sbp> the official line will be that they lunged at clippy with a knife
21:25:11 <jcowan> TagSoup maps all prefixes foo in HTML to namespace names of the form urn:x-prefix:foo
21:25:13 <jsled> .g darobin
21:25:17 <phenny> darobin: http://www.epinions.com/user-darobin
21:25:23 <jcowan> thus not relying on dubious namespace declarations.
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21:26:09 <sbp> good idea
21:26:27 <JibberJim> that ain't darobin jsled
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21:27:07 <jsled> * jsled figured
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21:28:00 <jsled> * jsled hugs Monty
21:28:00 <Monty> @google fight heh or not here jcowan has quit (Excess Flood)
21:28:13 <bjoern_> THANKS toshiba-tsf.com FOR THE 40+ "DELIVERY FAILURE" MAILS!
21:28:16 <supybot> Monty: or: 436000000, not: 306000000, has: 191000000, here: 170000000, (Excess: 4720000, Flood): 3300000, quit: 3110000, heh: 911000, jcowan: 330
21:28:18 <Monty> championship gropes acronyms!
21:28:27 <bjoern_> @karma
21:28:30 <supybot> bjoern_: Highest karma: 'sbp' (10), 'jcowan' (3), and 'crschmidt' (2). Lowest karma: 'supybot' (-4), 'sh1mmer' (-3), and 'xena' (-1).
21:28:37 <bjoern_> @toshiba-tsf.com--
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21:29:36 <jcowan> !kcahwS
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21:31:43 <Monty> howdy, dydimustk
21:42:44 <sbp> @karma toshiba-tsf.com
21:42:45 <supybot> sbp: Karma for 'toshiba-tsf.com' has been increased 0 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of -1.
21:43:32 <sbp> indeed
21:45:08 <crschmidt> So, I just realized that I've basically created something like what plink was with this rdfbot stuff
21:45:16 <crschmidt> cause you can do something like http://crschmidt.net/semweb/rdfbot/user.cgi?sha=8b4a193cc587b2b8938214718a30417a4667fac5&
21:46:04 <sbp> rudiplink
21:46:18 <Morbus> i don't like rudiplink.
21:46:26 <Morbus> rudiplink burns my biscuits.
21:46:41 <sbp> such is rudiplink. you can either take it whole, or you can spit
21:46:43 <sbp> er
21:46:48 <sbp> or you can leave it
21:47:00 <crschmidt> * crschmidt doesn't know what rudiplink is
21:49:03 <sbp> Morbus: a lot of the semi-naked wavs sound like they were done by one person
21:49:19 <Morbus> sbp: see the prefixes. four were done by ickie, i believe.
21:49:33 <Morbus> 5, rather.
21:49:35 <sbp> there are five ickie pre... right
21:49:46 <sbp> even girl2? that kinda sounded like a girl
21:49:59 <Morbus> yep.
21:50:03 <sbp> so the two poisyn ones are the same person too?
21:50:06 <Morbus> yep.
21:50:12 <Morbus> she's hot
21:50:25 <sbp> indeed
21:50:36 <sbp> all from AOL?
21:50:50 <Morbus> nope.
21:50:56 <Morbus> none, actually.
21:51:02 <sbp> heh, well rats
21:51:04 <Morbus> there's not common "from: " for these.
21:51:08 <Morbus> no.
21:51:23 <Morbus> these are after AOL entirely.
21:51:27 <sbp> I see, you just asked anyone and everyone
21:51:28 <Morbus> ickie was from a hotline server i helped admin.
21:51:36 <Morbus> poisyn used to run a web zine.
21:51:41 <Morbus> and ivy is just someone I knew.
21:52:09 <Morbus> .roost hotline server
21:52:11 <sbp> and you can't remember unknown?
21:52:13 <Morbus> .g rost hotline server
21:52:15 <Morbus> grr.
21:52:17 <phenny> rost hotline server: https://www.softwarehouse.de/cgi-bin/product/P10410!159960!ALL
21:52:19 <Morbus> .g roost hotline server
21:52:21 <phenny> roost hotline server: http://www.darooster.net/modules.php?name=Downloads&d_op=viewdownload&cid=3
21:52:28 <Morbus> no, have no clue who that is. it was filestamped as "???".
21:52:32 <sbp> heh
21:52:38 <sbp> not all that helpful I guess
21:52:44 <Morbus> nope :)
21:53:06 <sbp> perhaps that's what taught you the error of your ways, and you've been categorising properly ever since
21:53:08 <Morbus> hrm. that's definitley not the roost.
21:53:24 <sbp> like in 1999 you were all "wait, what's '???' when it's at home?"
21:53:38 <Morbus> the next two entries will be two ezines i used to run back during, and before, devil shat :)
21:53:49 <Morbus> "evil thoughts" was a bbs only zine.
21:54:09 <Morbus> and "webshit" was a response to all those "this website is sooOO cool" awards that were happening in 97/98.
21:54:22 <sbp> they stopped?
21:54:23 <crschmidt> Like the NH.com awards?
21:54:27 <Morbus> nah, far before that.
21:54:27 <sbp> :-)
21:54:38 <Morbus> these were the homebrew rewards.
21:54:45 <Morbus> like "silver surfer's best crocheting site"
21:54:49 <Morbus> or "cool site of the day"
21:54:53 <crschmidt> Ah
21:55:05 <Morbus> i must've won a kazillion of 'em.
21:55:09 <sbp> they always really bugged me (and still do; there's thousands of them)
21:55:18 <Morbus> a good portion of them are listed are disobey.com/about/presspit i think
21:55:40 <sbp> I suppose blogs took them over. "diveintomark says I'm cool!"
21:55:41 <Morbus> * Morbus reads http://extensions.roachfiend.com/howto.php
21:55:51 <Morbus> yeah, i'd agree with that.
21:56:04 <Morbus> i was gonna suggest that webshit was a precursor to blinks
21:56:12 <Morbus> but, if i did, so would everything else have been.
21:56:15 <sbp> hmm. now I'm starting to reconsider homebrew awards then; they were less annoying
21:56:18 <Morbus> which makes the comparison really done.
21:56:21 <Morbus> dumb
21:58:35 <sbp> I still think people should've just sent you money
21:59:07 <sbp> ooh, there you go Morbus
21:59:28 <sbp> someone sends you an email saying that your site has given them lots of discontentedness-dispelling content over the years
21:59:42 <sbp> and they're all "you can either see me semi-nude, or have $sum"
21:59:49 <Morbus> pff, fuck yeah, semi-nude.
21:59:55 <Morbus> i want the wav;s.
21:59:57 <sbp> what $sum would they need to propose before you took the cash?
22:00:15 <sbp> the wav would be in with the semi-nudeness
22:00:31 <Morbus> over $100, easily.
22:00:48 <sbp> high price on random erotica!
22:00:59 <Morbus> but its not random, that's the thing.
22:01:02 <Morbus> its one of my readers.
22:01:05 <Morbus> i like to be close to my readers <g>
22:01:09 <sbp> heh!
22:01:23 <sbp> ooh, that fits into the topic *brilliantly* too
22:01:29 <sbp> *** sbp has changed the topic to: http://www.disobey.com/dnn/2004/11/index.shtml#001635 (<Morbus> i like to be close to my readers <g>)
22:01:37 <Morbus> heh
22:02:27 <sbp> I figure that one day someone's going to ask me for my driver's license, library card, passport, or whatever and are going to be all:
22:02:44 <sbp> "Sean B. Palmer?! the miscoranda Sean B. Palmer?!!!!! I read your blog every day!"
22:02:52 <sbp> and I'm just going to be all "you freak" and walk off
22:03:18 <Morbus> heh.
22:03:23 <Morbus> yeah, since your blog is updated once a week, at most.
22:03:28 <Morbus> i mean, what they hell are they coming back for? ;)
22:03:32 <sbp> woah, not even that much
22:03:35 <Morbus> i have noticed your latest stuff though.
22:03:36 <Morbus> good, good.
22:03:37 <sbp> total abuse of my readers
22:03:48 <sbp> the latest stuff is good?
22:03:54 <Morbus> yah
22:03:58 <Morbus> well, entertaining for em.
22:04:04 <sbp> pfft. I thought it was the worst shit I've published so far
22:04:10 <Morbus> see, that's the problem.
22:04:13 <sbp> I've only been doing it for the annoying whiny characteristic
22:04:16 <Morbus> just fucking post.
22:04:24 <Morbus> perfection comes with practice, not stalling.
22:04:28 <sbp> true
22:04:48 <sbp> but so does crap which belongs more properly in the bovine ass, then
22:05:08 <sbp> anyway, I have a plan
22:05:16 <sbp> * sbp is in the cartooning mood again
22:06:03 <sbp> <Bottom> Not a whit: I have a device to make all well!
22:06:12 <Morbus> * Morbus has a nice collection of long bookmarks to read.
22:06:21 <sbp> ooh, how many are you back up to?
22:06:31 <sbp> in fact, what's your MBC number?
22:06:31 <Morbus> actually, been doing pretty well. only have about 15 to read.
22:06:36 <Morbus> but they're big.
22:06:40 <Morbus> not a clue, lemme look.
22:07:03 <sbp> . o O { whoops, MBC must be the name of something in the US }
22:07:19 <sbp> Mary Baldwin College?
22:07:23 <Morbus> grep -c "HREF" bookmarks.html
22:07:23 <Morbus> 1559
22:07:28 <sbp> ah
22:07:36 <Morbus> i assumed it was something like "master bookmark count".
22:07:58 <sbp> Magazines, Bookmarks, Comics (actually I was thinking more about email)
22:08:01 <sbp> hmm
22:08:03 <Morbus> oooh. heh.
22:08:06 <sbp> we should throw songs in too
22:08:10 <sbp> MBCES
22:08:20 <candyman> what is a MBC?
22:08:22 <Morbus> well, i probably have 2000+ comics now
22:08:34 <Morbus> magazines, i have that many magazines, easily, but not sure how many i'm receiving regularly.
22:08:39 <Morbus> probably still 6 or 7 a month.
22:08:42 <Morbus> still waiting for subs to run out,.
22:08:55 <Morbus> oh, incidentally, i found an "american" fortean times equivalent.
22:08:55 <candyman> ah
22:08:55 <sbp> that's not too bad. I guess you can light read one every few days
22:09:00 <sbp> oh?
22:09:00 <Morbus> but i've forgotten the name of it.
22:09:02 <sbp> oh
22:09:02 <Morbus> remind me later ;)
22:09:03 <sbp> bah
22:09:06 <sbp> will do
22:09:07 <Morbus> its not really fortean.
22:09:11 <candyman> yep, 7 comics is not much
22:09:12 <Morbus> its just "ooOoh, spooky stuff!" ;)
22:09:16 <sbp> Monty: remind me in 23 hours to remind Morbus about the AmFort thing
22:09:16 <candyman> for a month
22:09:16 <Monty> sbp: Okay, I'll remind you about that on Thu Dec 02 21:09:15 GMT 2004
22:09:27 <Morbus> sbp: I only bought it because it had "esoteric erotica" on the cover.
22:09:30 <Morbus> and it turned out to be pretty good.
22:09:38 <Morbus> though, without a decent article on esotic erotica
22:09:45 <Morbus> more of a news blurb. was rather dumb.
22:10:00 <sbp> no esoteric erotica but advertised as such? rather lucky you picked it up then
22:10:08 <Morbus> yeah. it was just a news blurb.
22:10:14 <Morbus> definitely didn't belong on the covers.
22:10:21 <Morbus> supsect they put it there to increase leaf through
22:10:25 <sbp> well it made you but it, didn't it? :-)
22:10:27 <sbp> heheh, yeah
22:10:32 <sbp> s/but/buy/
22:12:26 <Morbus> sbp: i've become interested in
22:12:31 <Morbus> http://sourceforge.net/projects/amoebarpg/
22:12:44 <sbp> looking...
22:12:47 <phenny> sbp: 22:12Z <Suw> tell sbp that he has transcended even his usual level of incomprehensibleness - well done!
22:13:14 <sbp> heh: "Wow! I just got started. This is here to let you know this isnt just another dead project."
22:13:17 <sbp> whoo!
22:13:29 <Morbus> yah ;)
22:13:58 <crschmidt> phenny: tell suw that it makes sense to some people. Really. I know it's odd, but it does.
22:14:00 <phenny> crschmidt: I'll pass that on for you when suw is around.
22:15:06 <sbp> lojbanist unix geeks with a tendency towards stupid, stupid, STUPID jokes. there can't be many. it's mainly the stupid, stupid, STUPID part that's going to beobviate it
22:15:26 <candyman> sbp, query
22:17:14 <Morbus> sbp: new game studies is out
22:17:23 <Morbus> http://gamestudies.org/0401/
22:18:10 <sbp> ooh, an academic games journal
22:18:15 <Morbus> yah, its good.
22:18:17 <sbp> I didn't even know about the old ones
22:18:20 <Morbus> read all the archives.
22:18:25 <Morbus> red and read.
22:18:26 <Morbus> ;)
22:24:33 <Morbus> "Likewise Unreal Tournament 2003 has a more photo realistic graphics engine than Grand Theft Auto III, but the former's narrative is sci-fi fluff at best, leaving it at a loss for realism. "
22:24:36 <Morbus> mmMm, sci-fi fluff.
22:25:09 <sbp> GTA III? SA?
22:25:19 <Morbus> could apply to all of 'em.
22:25:24 <sbp> ah
22:25:28 <Morbus> the graphics are sacrificed in GTA to support the huge world maps.
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22:26:07 <Morbus> for instance, there's a lot of pop-in in GTA, which is considered low quality for a FPS.
22:26:14 <Morbus> or most any game, actually.
22:27:13 <phenny> deltab: 18:04Z <sbp> tell deltab that xena is ze bork! 502 Bad Gateway again (what keeps causing that?)
22:27:31 <sbp> deltab is here, phenny?
22:27:45 <phenny> Oh, whoops. I thought I saw him.
22:27:49 <sbp> no problem...
22:28:29 <Morbus> ooh, hey, ogg player is a default in linux.
22:33:00 <sbp> woooOOOooOOooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooman!
22:33:07 <sbp> take me in your arms
22:33:07 <sbp> off me baby
22:33:09 <Morbus> do you wanna find hell with me!
22:33:18 <Morbus> i have no clue if those are the lyrics to danzig's mother.
22:33:23 <sbp> it'd under the earth isn't it?
22:33:25 <Morbus> i just know that they're a song on the radio in GTA:SA
22:33:28 <sbp> re, it's
22:33:30 <sbp> er, er
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22:33:43 <candyman> Morbus, soy kandinski y me preguntaba si te gustaría verme semidesnudo
22:33:57 <Morbus> candyman: uh huh.
22:34:17 <Morbus> muy llamo guacamole
22:34:28 <Morbus> (it actually was in ninth grade spanish class)
22:34:32 <sbp> mi, surely?
22:34:46 <bancus> me
22:34:50 <sbp> ah, thanks
22:34:53 <bancus> me llamo
22:35:02 <bancus> mi is a possesive
22:35:05 <sbp> you're a long way from ninth grade spanish class now, assboy!
22:35:10 <bancus> or a dative
22:35:15 <candyman> mí is a dative
22:35:17 <Morbus> sbp: semi-nude me, baby.
22:35:20 <candyman> actually, dative is me
22:35:34 <sbp> no mic here. I can cop out!
22:35:51 <Monty> What are your feelings now ?
22:36:01 <Monty> today's boatload is a FPS.
22:36:12 <sbp> it is, Monty?
22:36:14 <Monty> didn't even that fits into our precious network
22:37:30 <Monty> indeed
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22:39:16 <bancus> candyman: a mi, not a me
22:39:31 <bancus> accusative is me
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22:39:32 <deltab> http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40585000/jpg/_40585783_blog-ap203.jpg
22:40:38 <candyman> dímelo otra vez, bancus
22:40:39 <redmonk> i hate - hate, i say - IE6
22:40:42 <candyman> dímelo a mí
22:40:44 <redmonk> and IE in general
22:40:56 <candyman> and tell me what the me is doing between the dí and the lo
22:41:43 <bancus> isn't that all one word?
22:41:47 <bancus> besides
22:41:50 <bancus> it's still accusative
22:41:55 <candyman> not
22:41:59 <candyman> lo is acusative
22:42:08 <bancus> what the hell is me doing then?
22:42:10 <redmonk> * redmonk points and uses the accusative at candyman
22:42:14 <bancus> no
22:42:16 <bancus> lo is dative
22:42:17 <candyman> say and tell does not work in Spanish as in English
22:42:18 <bancus> er
22:42:21 <candyman> no
22:42:24 <candyman> lo is what is said
22:42:28 <candyman> me is who it is said to
22:42:33 <candyman> dimelo tell me it
22:42:35 <bancus> how fucking bizarre
22:42:35 <candyman> tell it to me
22:42:39 <candyman> I know
22:42:44 <deltab> that somewhat distrubing image is from http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/4059291.stm
22:42:47 <bancus> why is it a mi and not a me?
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22:43:06 <bancus> dammit, now I have the urge to go find my spanish textbook
22:43:19 <sbp> deltab: hmm!
22:43:22 <candyman> because
22:43:26 <candyman> it has different forms
22:43:30 <candyman> like the article a
22:43:31 <sbp> hi _MA... oh, who cares
22:43:34 <candyman> a house an animal
22:43:44 <_MAG_> hi
22:43:55 <bancus> forms for *what*?
22:43:58 <bancus> it can't be plural
22:43:59 <candyman> so there are stressed (tónicos) and unstressed (pronouns)
22:44:01 <bancus> it has to be case
22:44:03 <candyman> damn
22:44:06 <sbp> _MAG_: this is a publically logged channel, more info at swhack.com
22:44:10 <candyman> unstressed (átonos) pronouns
22:44:14 <candyman> se lo dije
22:44:17 <candyman> se lo dije a él
22:44:21 <candyman> díselo a él
22:44:22 <sbp> o/~ political career warning o/~
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22:44:25 <candyman> dímelo a mí
22:44:29 <bancus> heh
22:44:35 <candyman> me and mí are the same dative, only repeated
22:44:41 <bancus> I can't see that text, btw
22:44:44 <candyman> nos lo dijeron a nosotros
22:44:49 <bancus> I'm in some stupid windows IRC client
22:44:51 <candyman> dínoslo a nosotros
22:44:55 <candyman> wait
22:45:51 <sbp> ahaha: " 9. sovereignty" - deltab's URI, number 9 on the top 10 looked up words on m-w
22:46:06 <sbp> <American> uhh... wtf is a sovertainty>1
22:49:38 <candyman> the first two, yeah
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22:52:12 <Morbus> bah. heading home.
22:52:15 <Morbus> day's done.
22:54:27 <Morbus> ah, gotcha.
22:54:29 <Morbus> logging.
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22:54:40 <sbp> how mysterious
22:54:52 <sbp> MORUBS IS ZE ECHELON
22:56:40 <candyman> yes
22:56:50 <candyman> he is now converting the .ogg into .wavs, by hand
22:56:50 <schepers> can someone please point me to a valid foaf file?
22:56:57 <candyman> printing out a hex dump
22:57:14 <candyman> doing the sines and cosines with an old uni manual on FFT and a slide rule
22:57:32 <candyman> then playing the resulting table in an original Moog Theremin
22:57:44 <schepers> heh
22:57:52 <candyman> by moving his hands really really fast, he can get enough harmonics
22:58:01 <candyman> to actually reconstruct my voice!
22:58:07 <candyman> but the joke is really on him
22:58:13 <sbp> .g FOAF file inurl:rdf
22:58:16 <candyman> because when he does that, what it really says is:
22:58:17 <phenny> FOAF file inurl:rdf: http://eric.perceive.net/xml/foaf.rdf
22:58:24 <sbp> heh, that's pixel's
22:58:24 <candyman> "come here, Watson, I need you!"
22:58:37 <schepers> if he were really hardcore, he'd punch out a roll for a player piano
22:59:35 <sbp> "Watson, come here! I need you!" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telephone
23:00:08 <schepers> thanks
23:00:48 <bancus> http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:NHaa0z2Y0UIJ:www.pacificsites.com/~dglaser/spanish/03PronounTable7_29_0_03.pdf+spanish+pronoun+table&hl=en
23:00:53 <bancus> we were both right, kinda
23:00:55 <sbp> oddly, they don't mention "Watson" on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Graham_Bell
23:01:26 <schepers> is there an automatic foaf constructor?
23:01:36 <sbp> .g foaf-a-matic
23:01:39 <phenny> foaf-a-matic: http://www.ldodds.com/foaf/foaf-a-matic.html
23:01:50 <candyman> wasn't he called Watson?
23:02:03 <sbp> he was, which is why it was odd they don't mention him
23:02:04 <candyman> ARE I GOT MITSAKEN?
23:02:05 <sbp> 'night all!
23:02:09 <candyman> night
23:02:16 <schepers> night sbp
23:02:31 <jsled> g'night sbp.
23:02:50 <bjoern_> .gc mitsaken
23:02:55 <phenny> mitsaken: 70
23:04:07 <deltab> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telephone#Bell.27s_success
23:07:32 <bjoern_> .g site:search.cpan.org Make::Sense
23:07:35 <phenny> site:search.cpan.org Make::Sense: http://search.cpan.org/~phenson/DCE-Perl/Status/Status.pm
23:07:54 <bjoern_> .g site:search.cpan.org inurl:Make inurl:Sense
23:07:56 <phenny> site:search.cpan.org inurl:Make inurl:Sense: sorry, no results were found.
23:10:02 <eaon> gnight. the austrian military wants to touch my balls tomorrow
23:10:36 <JibberJim> jugglers?
23:11:42 <eaon> i wish. tests for military service (forced here)
23:11:48 <eaon> byebye
23:13:06 <candyman> good night
23:13:13 <candyman> they will make a man of you yet
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23:33:59 <Monty> bah, it's d8uv again
23:35:02 <candyman> doyvhi d8uv
23:35:06 <candyman> good day you
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23:37:06 <d8uv> Man...
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