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00:26:24 <bancus> .wn masturbation
00:26:29 <bancus> .w masturbation
00:26:31 <phenny> masturbation 1. manual stimulation of the genital organs (of yourself or another) for sexual pleasure
00:29:25 <JibberJim> .w wank
00:29:27 <phenny> wank 1. slang terms for masturbation
00:29:30 <phenny> wank 2. get sexual gratification through self-stimulation
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00:42:57 <Monty> hey arcon
00:43:49 <crschmidt> .g "FOAF rules"
00:43:57 <phenny> "FOAF rules": http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=206821
00:43:59 <crschmidt> .gc "FOAF rules"
00:44:01 <crschmidt> .gc "FOAF sucks"
00:44:01 <phenny> "FOAF rules": 27
00:44:04 <phenny> "FOAF sucks": 2
00:44:09 <crschmidt> .gc "RSS rules"
00:44:12 <phenny> "RSS rules": 1,010
00:44:12 <crschmidt> .gc "RSS sucks"
00:44:14 <phenny> "RSS sucks": 627
00:44:35 <arcon> .gc "google rules"
00:44:36 <arcon> .gc "google sucks"
00:44:37 <phenny> "google rules": 11,400
00:44:39 <phenny> "google sucks": 9,330
00:44:40 <JibberJim> .gc "my girlfriend sucks"
00:44:43 <phenny> "my girlfriend sucks": 549
00:44:43 <arcon> hehe
00:48:08 <sbp> .gc "FOAF rocks"
00:48:11 <phenny> "FOAF rocks": 7
00:48:18 <sbp> .gc "Google rocks"
00:48:20 <phenny> "Google rocks": 15,800
00:49:25 <crschmidt> mmm, foaf rocks
00:49:27 <crschmidt> my favorite dinner
00:49:33 <crschmidt> heh, heh
00:49:37 <crschmidt> zacker is first hit for foaf rocks
00:49:52 <crschmidt> [zacker] will probbaly use FOAF to describe DeanSpace sites and users
00:49:52 <crschmidt> [zacker] FOAF rocks - any speicifc questions?
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00:59:38 <MoiraA> hello
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01:53:29 <deltab> sbp: about Tube-riding pigeons? nope, none
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02:12:05 <Monty> Thank goodness, eikeon is back!
02:12:05 <phenny> Be quiet, Monty.
02:12:08 <Monty> There's still all my friend, did you won't detach.
02:40:32 <crschmidt> << noets writeup
02:40:32 <blogbot> crschmidt: set title
02:41:25 <crschmidt> sbp finally {wrote up noets <http://inamidst.com/eph/noets>}, for those of you who might be interested. A history of the blogbot/noets project, and some stuff about what has come out of it.
02:41:32 <crschmidt> >>
02:41:33 <blogbot> crschmidt: published entry to http://crschmidt.net/noets/76
02:42:21 <crschmidt> not many other people here write with blogbot anywmore
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02:45:33 <crschmidt> << LJ FOAF Update
02:45:33 <blogbot> crschmidt: set title
02:46:09 <crschmidt> I'm crossposting this like hell, but that's mostly because I want someone to do something with it. I put some work into a FOAF update patch for LiveJournal, described in an entry in the {lj foaf community <http://www.livejournal.com/community/ljfoaf/6449.html>}.
02:46:41 <crschmidt> I want this to go somewhere, but I just don't have the energy to fight the battle myself anymore. So, if you care about improving the FOAF output of LiveJournal to any extent, please, toss a comment on the entry, even if it's just "cool idea!"
02:46:48 <crschmidt> ..
02:47:11 <crschmidt> I think LJ developers see FOAF as my "pet project", so they don't tend to listen when I blabber about how much better it could be, but I know that some of the people here and elsewhere do care about it.
02:47:51 <crschmidt> In my experience, however, they dont' tend to crawl out of the woodwork often enough. So, please, crawl out of the woodwork for me. Comment to the entry, say that you think it's cool, mention it to other FOAF-interested people, or people with LJ accounts, or anyone.
02:47:56 <crschmidt> ..
02:48:27 <crschmidt> If I could get Slashdot to cover how much this stuff is ignored, I'd want it, despite the fact that it would lead them right back to my whining, annoying self. I could live with that, if it meant that I actually saw something on LiveJournal improve because of it.
02:48:32 <crschmidt> >>
02:48:32 <blogbot> crschmidt: published entry to http://crschmidt.net/noets/77
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03:16:44 <crschmidt> Howdy lasthunter, welcome to #swhack. This is a publicly logged channel, so if you make an ass out of yourself, the world will know. More info at swhack.com.
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03:18:42 <eaon> i just saw "what the bleep do we know"
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03:18:53 <eaon> anyone seen it or knows about it?
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03:25:55 <eaon> now that could mean "no" or "you're a moron if you really watched that movie". twe?
03:26:01 <twe> And twe is a moron.
03:26:10 <crschmidt> * crschmidt is a no
03:26:25 <eaon> heh
03:26:43 <crschmidt> * crschmidt got 0 clicks out of 159 page impressions on his weblog today!
03:29:46 <crschmidt> ooh, bloglines subscriptions up to 34
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04:22:15 <Monty> bah, it's BigJibby again
04:22:47 <BigJibby> Monty, hello to you too
04:22:48 <Monty> (If there's jjc...
04:56:31 <bancus> Star Wars like it should have been (Not Safe For Work): http://www.transbuddha.com/mediaHolder.php?id=243
04:56:32 <swhacker> posted 712
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07:27:52 <kandinski> * kandinski also likes the JCs, and dislikes the swapoffs
07:28:11 <kandinski> DAMN SWAPOFFS!
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07:28:18 <kandinski> BLOODY SWAPOFFS!!!!!
07:28:24 <kandinski> erm...
07:28:40 <kandinski> phenny, ask sbp wtf are swapoffs
07:28:42 <phenny> kandinski: I'll pass that on for you when sbp is around.
07:35:32 <jetscreamer> nothing like swapon, i take it
07:36:30 <jetscreamer> iirc, i think they sometimes call a trade thingy a swapoff, where you swap things.
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07:41:54 <kandinski> jetscreamer: I ask because of what happened last night in backscroll
07:43:07 <jetscreamer> of course you realize you just made me wonder what is backscroll
07:44:50 <deltab> what you scroll back into
07:48:35 <jetscreamer> that must be a big ass buffer, to be able to scrollback to lastnight.
07:48:45 <jetscreamer> :)
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07:49:16 <under-x> any srilankan
07:49:27 <under-x> .google tes
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08:19:09 <kandinski> yes, I can basically scrollback all my logs
08:19:22 <kandinski> it just scrolls back and back
08:19:47 <kandinski> and if I am not careful, my parents don't get married and I don't get born
08:19:54 <kandinski> so I have to watch what I type
08:19:59 <jetscreamer> damn
08:20:10 <jetscreamer> say hi to marty for me
08:20:15 <kandinski> yeah
08:20:24 <kandinski> doc is here
08:20:35 <jetscreamer> cool
08:20:51 <jetscreamer> did you have to use a delorean, or do you have a diff model
08:21:05 <kandinski> I build my own, man!
08:21:09 <jetscreamer> awesome
08:21:17 <kandinski> white box, asus motherboard, athlon processor
08:21:25 <jetscreamer> ah yeah anything works i forgot about the train
08:21:28 <kandinski> no poxy flux capacitor for me
08:21:45 <kandinski> go-faster stripes are made of duct tape
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10:13:05 <Monty> hi themaximus_
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10:44:27 <sbp> from spam today: [[[
10:44:28 <sbp> The gardners regret skiing well.
10:44:28 <sbp> Haven't the journalists liked surfing?
10:44:29 <sbp> ]]]
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10:46:28 <Monty> hi JibberJim
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12:11:45 <JibberJim> http://www.foon.co.uk/farcade/hapland/
12:11:52 <JibberJim> c'mon people help me out here...
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12:14:03 <BigJibby> Monty Monty Monty, oi oi oi
12:14:05 <Monty> karting children?!
12:15:31 <BigJibby> .w karting children
12:15:33 <phenny> I couldn't find karting children in WordNet.
12:17:43 <JibberJim> Monty, can't you help me with rescueing those little guys?
12:17:44 <Monty> desires Mozilla!!!
12:18:13 <JibberJim> twe: or maybe you can help me?
12:18:20 <twe> JibberJim: So i i can help me?
12:18:34 <libby> I keep killign them!
12:18:40 <libby> or they kill each other
12:18:56 <JibberJim> yes libby, so do I
12:19:14 <JibberJim> have you got the bloke into the cannon yet?
12:19:32 <JibberJim> then I've fired him up to the top of the hill, but he's stuck there
12:21:00 <BigJibby> the children? send their karts up for them
12:21:03 <libby> ]oh I fired him up and he died on the stake
12:21:26 <libby> or I fied him down and he broke the stick and fell in the hole
12:21:48 <libby> plus I keep exploding the guy in the cave by mistake
12:22:26 <JibberJim> yeah, I blow up the bell first
12:22:46 <JibberJim> have you got the little man out from the left house yet?
12:24:39 <libby> no, I didn;t know there was one
12:25:20 <libby> how?
12:25:34 <JibberJim> open the window in the bottom left
12:25:48 <JibberJim> then ring the bell with the stone (not the bombs)
12:25:58 <JibberJim> then you can click on the door and out he comes...
12:26:28 <JibberJim> (only to die on a horrible death on the landmine)
12:26:40 <libby> I exploded the bell :(
12:27:03 <JibberJim> you gotta start again then!
12:28:20 <libby> he went back in again! sign needs to point the other way
12:29:05 <libby> damn
12:29:09 <libby> he exploded
12:29:13 <libby> maybe there is no solution
12:35:05 <crschmidt> ...
12:35:08 <crschmidt> i'm confused :(
12:36:32 <BigJibby> it's the guy in the cave, exploding on the stake
12:37:11 <BigJibby> Monty explain ...
12:37:13 <Monty> isn't working tomorrow.
12:37:21 <JibberJim> right, you need to flick the spike when you ring the bell so the spike doesn't get stuck pointing at you...
12:37:37 <JibberJim> and you can flick horizontal bombs with the bridge to blow up the landmine
12:38:21 <sbp> wow, I'm confused too
12:38:26 <sbp> can't even make a start
12:38:49 <deltab> open the trapdoor on the right, then push the button below it
12:39:02 <crschmidt> I think it's something like mornington crescent
12:39:40 <sbp> heh, heh. yeah, got it
12:39:53 <sbp> the new guy throws the old guy off the stairs
12:40:10 <libby> I got the little man to move the bell!
12:40:24 <deltab> crschmidt: woo, yeah! MC with a state-space topology!
12:41:14 <crschmidt> * crschmidt shakes his head at LiveJournal users.
12:41:54 <crschmidt> "If we made an online petition for this FOAF stuff, we could get thousands of signatures!" Except we couldn't, because only about 3 dozen people in the world care about FOAF on LiveJournal
12:42:10 <BigJibby> * BigJibby shivers
12:42:11 <sbp> hmm. need the plank to fall the other way...
12:42:14 <sbp> * sbp tries shooting it
12:42:30 <sbp> awesome
12:42:57 <BigJibby> * BigJibby cheers
12:42:59 <sbp> boom
12:43:16 <JibberJim> green bombs you've got to blow up with the plank
12:43:24 <JibberJim> the blue bomb will open the door by the little man
12:43:39 <JibberJim> the bell can be used to blow up the landmine
12:43:56 <BigJibby> twe, do you know the little man?
12:44:06 <sbp> the bell blows it up?
12:44:10 <twe> BigJibby: Oh man, i missed all of the paper) and the underinformed (to be able to use it to me.
12:44:13 <sbp> if you blow up the bell you mean?
12:44:26 <JibberJim> no th bell flings the rock onto the landmine with the lever
12:45:41 <sbp> er
12:46:17 <JibberJim> have you seen the dog with the chainsaw?
12:46:23 <deltab> yes!
12:47:28 <kandinski> I have not
12:47:30 <phenny> kandinski: 12:34Z <crschmidt> tell kandinski swapoff is a moron who got me klined.
12:47:54 <libby> dog?
12:48:11 <kandinski> phenny, tell crschmidt I am getting my baseball bat and meet you at the diner on the corner of swapoff's house
12:48:13 <phenny> kandinski: I'll pass that on for you when crschmidt is around.
12:48:31 <deltab> I guess that's what it was -- it was moving pretty fast
12:48:56 <JibberJim> yes, I'm calling it a dog anyway...
12:49:28 <JibberJim> I just need to kill him, which I reckon is with the ceiling but I keep cocking up before I get back there again
12:49:53 <deltab> ooh, found a bug -- fire both stones at the bridge in quick succession, and it's knocked over twice
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12:51:16 <sbp> woah, what the
12:51:22 <sbp> okay, I think I found the dog :-)
12:51:33 <deltab> hehe
12:54:28 <sbp> haha
12:54:39 <sbp> click on the stairs when the guy's on it (and possibly when you've used all your ammo)
12:54:52 <JibberJim> he gets in yes.
12:55:04 <sbp> oh I see, and then another can fire him
12:55:05 <JibberJim> then you get another blokey out and you can fire him up to where the bell is!
12:55:16 <sbp> I... destroyed the bell
12:55:26 <sbp> I can't work out how to keep it. unless I make it drop down. aha!
12:55:36 <JibberJim> no
12:55:43 <JibberJim> you blow up the green bombs with the bridge
12:55:59 <JibberJim> fire the green bomb, tap the bridge so it explodes in mid air
12:56:53 <sbp> er whoops. don't fire a guy at the bridge
12:57:04 <sbp> green: cool thanks
12:59:04 <sbp> okay, the guy somewhat died on the spear
12:59:33 <libby> shellac found a solution
13:00:57 <deltab> JibberJim: how do you get a rock up near the bell without the man getting speared?
13:00:59 <JibberJim> you gotta flick the spear when you ring the bell to stop that
13:01:20 <deltab> ah
13:01:21 <deltab> ta
13:02:31 <sbp> cool
13:03:12 <JibberJim> you can then use them man up there to push the bell over to allow you to use the spear to flick the rock
13:03:46 <sbp> right. done that
13:03:53 <sbp> but I forgot to get the man out of the left house. gah
13:04:32 <deltab> yay, one torch!
13:05:23 <crschmidt> .t Z
13:05:25 <phenny> 2005-02-18T13:05:23Z
13:05:32 <sbp> right. so I got the guy in the right house...
13:05:44 <deltab> right? not left?
13:05:46 <sbp> two torches, surely?
13:05:51 <crschmidt> ^addturtle <http://crschmidt.net/foaf.rdf#crschmidt> menow:hasStatus [a menow:Status; dc:date "2005-02-18T13:05:23Z"; dc:description "On the road again... (back to work.)"].
13:05:53 <julie> Model size increased by 4 to 2122364 via turtle statements.
13:05:53 <deltab> I've got left but not right
13:05:56 <sbp> he travelled from the left house to the right one
13:06:17 <deltab> oh, I see what you mean
13:06:22 <sbp> ah! and that's how you get the ceiling to drop
13:06:27 <sbp> wow, that's going to be tricky
13:06:32 <deltab> yeaha
13:06:35 <deltab> aha
13:06:35 <deltab> yeah
13:06:37 <sbp> have you managed to get the ceiling to fall on the dog yet, Jim?
13:06:40 <sbp> heh
13:06:47 <sbp> yeah + aha portmanteau
13:08:59 <sbp> gah. difficult
13:09:12 <sbp> you have to set the ceiling to fall right away, it seems
13:10:36 <sbp> hmm. not quite right away
13:12:21 <deltab> yay, I got it!
13:12:30 <sbp> whoo!
13:12:33 <sbp> heheh, me too
13:12:38 <sbp> "THE END"
13:12:44 <deltab> aww
13:13:05 <sbp> he totally needs to put the second level up. that was awesome
13:13:20 <deltab> heh, yeah
13:36:27 <JibberJim> no, I'd not managed to get it, but I heard from someone else that was the last thing, and went back to work :-)
13:36:34 <JibberJim> 2nd level is definately a goer!
13:43:55 <deltab> eh?
13:44:32 <deltab> I found a second way to solve it, though you need good timing
13:45:28 <JibberJim> flicking the first rock back onto the landmine?
13:47:51 <deltab> yup
13:49:52 <JibberJim> yeah Henry found that one too
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14:00:55 <BigJibby> Monty: who is Henry Ford?
14:00:57 <Monty> Windows leguminous household :P
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14:48:17 <BigJibby> twe, light is bright. If you see a bright light, stay away.
14:48:33 <twe> BigJibby: I couldn't ssh to his less revolutionary way of priving that to me with a seedy motel and decaying neon light that's missing the ground.
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15:02:17 <BigJibby> Monty, let's play a game
15:02:20 <Monty> Mounts, symbolic links, and also want it, they check out my homepage
15:03:05 <BigJibby> ln -s Monty twe
15:03:06 <Monty> heh. okay, done so)
15:03:15 <twe> If twe do not see you forgot to tell twe monty.
15:03:17 <Monty> holds heart-breaking magenta bitches.
15:07:46 <Morbus> phenny, tell sbp that i only have like, 15 more bookmarks!
15:07:48 <phenny> Morbus: I'll pass that on for you when sbp is around.
15:15:00 <Morbus> * Morbus goes off to write his crappy ghyll entry.
15:18:03 <crschmidt> i need dual cursors
15:19:04 <BigJibby> crschmidt: have another drink, and another, and so on ... eventually you'll see two of them
15:20:14 <crschmidt> if only it were that simple...
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15:36:50 <Morbus> * Morbus curses.
15:36:58 <Morbus> an hour's work of research just to get the timeline right.
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15:44:39 <crschmidt> * crschmidt woot.
15:44:41 <crschmidt> Beat hapland
15:44:52 <Morbus> hapland?
15:45:09 <crschmidt> 07:12:21 < JibberJim> http://www.foon.co.uk/farcade/hapland/
15:50:11 <JibberJim> with help from all the commentary?
15:51:08 <crschmidt> the only thing that i really grabbed from the commentary was the "bump the bridge to blow up the bombs" thing
15:51:28 <crschmidt> earlier this morning, I didn't see the link, so I really didn't realize you were all actually playing a game
15:51:38 <JibberJim> you just thought we were odd?
15:51:48 <crschmidt> I thought it was like mornington crescent! I said so!
15:52:08 <crschmidt> You british people have a weird sense of humour
15:55:13 <Arnia> Nothing funny about Mornington Crescent. Very serious business
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16:29:09 <Morbus> phenny, ask jcowan to ask morbus to show him how to set "John Cowan" in his sig.
16:29:11 <phenny> Morbus: I'll pass that on for you when jcowan is around.
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16:46:16 <Morbus> i actually kinda like my entry to ghyll today.
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17:02:36 <kandinski> heh
17:02:38 <phenny> kandinski: 13:04Z <crschmidt> tell kandinski if I knew where he lived, I'd agree. however, he's not the most forthcoming in his location.
17:03:09 <kandinski> I too thought at first you were just dicking around nonsensically at first
17:03:15 <kandinski> till deltab piped up
17:03:21 <kandinski> then I knew it was serious matter
17:03:26 <kandinski> like one fine game
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17:36:53 <Monty> howdy, SuPA
17:37:23 <SuPA> hi!
17:46:47 <BigJibby> oh Monty, tell me again!
17:46:47 <Monty> Do you feel strongly about discussing such things ?
17:47:32 <BigJibby> Monty, very strongly!
17:47:37 <Monty> I firmly believe that final buffed kissagram decapitates ill-informed red-hot Sawfish.
17:48:17 <kandinski> the final buffed kissagram was a disappointment
17:48:28 <kandinski> she was not that hog, and she did not decapitate anything!
17:48:48 <BigJibby> Monty, Sawfish heads are good
17:48:48 <Monty> Again?
17:48:52 <BigJibby> Monty, Sawfish heads are good
17:48:54 <Monty> woah spooky, I always
17:50:01 <BigJibby> Monty, I know, I always too
17:50:04 <Monty> closes selling M-Saunders's currency, apparently.
17:51:11 <BigJibby> Monty, i wouldn't say that ...
17:51:16 <Monty> You know, dormant epochal overture fornicates with overstretched Murray Walker's ramifications!
17:52:03 <BigJibby> twe, help me out here. Monty is talking weird.
17:52:05 <Monty> Fact: bowling-alley is secular!!!
17:52:32 <twe> BigJibby: Remind me in a row again -- this time in a blockquote, so that points towards a solution: don't fret it! The opposite to what you of the afterthougth problem - they shouldn't be "random" additions - they should help form the basis of what monty just said?
17:52:32 <Monty> What kind?
17:53:06 <kandinski> Monty, I got a can of whoop-ass with your name on it!
17:53:08 <Monty> movements prefers pubic hairs?!
17:54:07 <BigJibby> <tr><blockquote cite="bowling alley">twe, Monty is an idiot.</blockquote></tr>
17:54:08 <Monty> They take pictures! :)
17:54:16 <twe> And if they stick to monty twe.
17:54:17 <Monty> sounds like jcowan?
17:54:50 <BigJibby> twe, you'd get twonty
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17:55:05 <twe> BigJibby: I'm starting to sound good, be relevant somehow, and googlecountable and all approaches that we have nice blue imperial leather.
17:56:26 <BigJibby> Monty, you have nice eyes.
17:56:27 <Monty> xterm == eugenics;
17:59:39 <BigJibby> Monty, what do think about, xterm = suck ?
17:59:42 <Monty> make your squash baran reply from reoccuring ;p
18:00:43 <BigJibby> Monty, remind me to have lunch in one hour
18:00:45 <Monty> Lasagne delights volume-control.
18:01:16 <BigJibby> Monty, Lasagne sounds good, wanna come?
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18:01:16 <Monty> That is interesting. Please continue.
18:02:24 <BigJibby> Monty, I'm going to lunch shortly, and asked you if you would like to come to lunch with me. so, do you?
18:02:26 <Monty> this case, it twice in Japan?
18:03:04 <jetscreamer> bah humbug #freenode :The channel demigods have stolen your voice
18:04:27 <BigJibby> Monty, I'm in Canada, so we can't go to Japan for lunch
18:04:28 <Monty> initialisms == Bob Marr;
18:04:59 <BigJibby> there's demigods in here?
18:05:29 <jetscreamer> no, diff chan
18:06:51 <BigJibby> lilo sucks
18:08:27 <jetscreamer> the program or the freenode staffer
18:08:42 <jetscreamer> personally i would think either/or you are incorrect
18:09:22 <BigJibby> just ignore me
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18:20:18 <Monty> hi eaon, how ya doing?
18:20:20 <phenny> Monty: shh, don't let anyone know you're around!
18:20:24 <Monty> http://www.technologyreview.com/articles/05/02/issue/feature_aging.asp?p=7
18:21:54 <eaon> hey Monty, tired as usual.
18:21:59 <Monty> in-house sixty fluid destroys NBDuckBot's mammal and endurable home-brewed overmeasure?
18:22:20 <eaon> Monty: are you a mammal?
18:22:20 <Monty> Why are you interested in whether I am a mammal or not ?
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18:22:31 <eaon> Monty: just curious
18:22:32 <Monty> NES == beetles;
18:22:37 <eaon> eek
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18:36:02 <sbp> o/~
18:36:05 <phenny> sbp: 15:07Z <Morbus> tell sbp that i only have like, 15 more bookmarks!
18:37:03 <sbp> heh
18:39:03 <Morbus> * Morbus returns.
18:39:04 <Morbus> hey sbp
18:40:43 <Morbus> heh
18:40:44 <Morbus> [[[
18:40:44 <sbp> yo there Morb
18:40:44 <Morbus> The lack of drugs and casual sex is surely beginning to
18:40:44 <Morbus> take its toll on the indy coders of CODECON. The only
18:40:44 <Morbus> open source conference that takes place "in a
18:40:44 <Morbus> nightclub"(TM) does indeed still looks like the inside of a
18:40:46 <Morbus> JWZ fanboy's head. But its sensibility is slowly changing.
18:40:48 <Morbus> ]]]
18:41:10 <sbp> where's that from?
18:41:19 <Morbus> the newest ntk at ntk.net
18:41:24 <sbp> ooh
18:41:35 <sbp> should've guessed from the capitalised "CODECON"
18:44:07 <Morbus> interesting.
18:44:09 <Morbus> [[[
18:44:09 <Morbus> There's a rich vein of irony to be ploughed in the current
18:44:09 <Morbus> stand-offishness of collaborative editors: apps like the
18:44:09 <Morbus> Mac's SubEthaEdit that let multiple users edit the same
18:44:09 <Morbus> document simultaneously. Collaboration in SubEthaEdit's case
18:44:10 <Morbus> seems somewhat limited: its protocol is closed, and creators
18:44:12 <Morbus> the Coding Monkeys aren't that open to porting the app.
18:44:14 <Morbus> MOONEDIT is a two-year old equivalent for Linux, FreeBSD and
18:44:16 <Morbus> Windows. In the ongoing spirit of collaboration, though,
18:44:18 <Morbus> it's closed source too - and there's no Mac version. Perhaps
18:44:20 <Morbus> the only hope for true co-operation in this area lies in the
18:44:22 <Morbus> fledgling DocSynch project, an IRC-based open protocol which
18:44:24 <Morbus> has the barest beginnings of a cross-platform jEdit
18:44:28 <Morbus> implementation. Oh God, but that's *Java*. How bad can this get?
18:44:30 <Morbus> http://me.sphere.pl/indexen.htm
18:44:32 <Morbus> ]]]
18:44:37 <Morbus> i use jedit at work. like it a lot.
18:45:06 <sbp> wow, MoonEdit is two years old?
18:45:33 <sbp> Morbus: did you read the thing about the jedit project lead?
18:45:49 <sbp> he's quit working on jedit because he hates Java so much
18:45:52 <Morbus> i heard that was not using java for new pro...
18:45:56 <Morbus> well, i heard slightly different.
18:46:03 <Morbus> i heard he wawn't doing any /new/ projects in java
18:46:07 <Morbus> but he was still going to maintain jedit
18:46:11 <sbp> he's still maintaining it, yes
18:46:23 <sbp> but his reason for quitting is because he doesn't like Java
18:46:30 <Morbus> yeah, i rememebr that.
18:46:34 <Morbus> * Morbus shrugs.
18:46:38 <Morbus> i'll keep using jedit.
18:46:42 <Morbus> i can't stand vi and emacs, personally.
18:46:48 <Morbus> i can use vi if i have to.
18:46:49 <sbp> oh, not saying jedit's bad either
18:46:50 <Morbus> but only barely.
18:46:59 <sbp> if anything, this shows that its author has a touch of sanity :-)
18:47:06 <Morbus> heh
18:47:19 <sbp> I can use emacs if I have to. if I have to use vi I probably storm out the room
18:47:34 <sbp> only a mongrasl would force vi usage
18:47:53 <Morbus> i've never even touched emacs.
18:47:57 <Morbus> i've opened it. i've fiddled, etc.
18:48:03 <Morbus> but, i prefer things that are immediately apparent.
18:48:11 <Morbus> emacs and vi would have been great if i /grew up/ using them.
18:48:15 <sbp> well, emacs can be rather nifty. nxml being the obvious case
18:48:16 <Morbus> but nowadays, i don't have /time/ to learn new software.
18:48:19 <Morbus> i only have time to /use/ software.
18:48:20 <sbp> yeah, that's what I reckon
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18:48:49 <sbp> emacs, I think, is a bit better than vi since it's a lot more obvious due to its modelessness
18:49:05 <sbp> so you can do simple things relatively easily. but I still avoid it like the plague
18:49:13 <Morbus> what do you use?
18:49:20 <sbp> nano
18:49:42 <sbp> nice thing is that if you're stuck on an old box, or unix box, you've also got pico
18:49:51 <Morbus> never used pico either <G>
18:49:54 <jetscreamer> nano -w
18:49:57 <Morbus> http://www.nano-editor.org/ ?
18:50:04 <sbp> yep
18:50:12 <jetscreamer> aww shit i dropped a cherry on my kb and my []'s are melted together
18:50:37 <sbp> jetscreamer: you can also set the wrapping length in your .nanorc
18:50:54 <sbp> its default is rather annoying, I agree
18:51:33 <Morbus> heh!
18:51:42 <Morbus> checked out slava's log. first entry from yesterday: "I have news for you, Yakov: J2EE design patterns is not real programming, its writing shit, bloated code that nobody needs."
18:52:40 <sbp> slava's log?
18:52:57 <Morbus> weblog
18:53:27 <Morbus> actually went back to try and find his original "leaving java" psot.
18:53:49 <Morbus> ah, nov. 21
18:54:02 <sbp> aha. URI?
18:54:24 <Morbus> http://jroller.org/comments/slava/Weblog/why_i_don_t_like
18:54:41 <sbp> ta
18:55:34 <Morbus> ahaha, kick ass: http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000860032330/
18:55:55 <sbp> there was another fine list of Java suckitudes somewhere, but I forget where. linked from Python stuff I think
18:56:26 <sbp> disappearing lines: holographs? :-)
18:56:41 <Morbus> i was thinking that it should have an auto release, like in connect 4.
18:56:56 <Morbus> oh, wait, that won't work.
18:57:02 <Morbus> cos then you'd only ever be able to clear the first one.
18:57:16 <Morbus> this is oen place where star trek transporters would be great.
18:57:39 <sbp> heh, heh. yeah... in 3-D Tetris...
18:58:32 <Morbus> i was thinking about it recently, and i feel that the easiest way to get peopel to accept transporters is to NOT base it on real life first.
18:58:49 <Morbus> an automatic mailbox transporter, for instance.
18:58:54 <Morbus> no more wlaking to the curb!
18:59:17 <Morbus> naturally, there are lots of commercial uses for it, in warehouses, etc.
18:59:21 <sbp> it's funny how people were all "AaAAArgh! too fast!" when the first trains started going like 50 MPH
18:59:39 <Morbus> but, i've been thinking of ways that itd be "acceptable" for residential life, BEFORE "life" was transported through it.
19:00:01 <sbp> dunno if it's even possible really
19:00:10 <sbp> think of a nuclear explosion
19:00:14 <Morbus> interesting. http://insomnia.sourceforge.net/clanrpg/
19:00:25 <Morbus> lua is the scripting lib of world of worldcraft.
19:00:30 <sbp> you get all that energy just from an inefficient explosion of like a pound of uranium
19:00:30 <Morbus> er, warcraft
19:00:49 <sbp> so a whole person's actual energy...
19:00:54 <sbp> mmm... lua
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19:02:19 <Monty> lo atariboy
19:05:31 <Morbus> i like my ghyll entry today.
19:05:36 <Morbus> nothing too exciting, but i enjoyed it.
19:05:36 <Morbus> * Morbus shrugs
19:05:46 <sbp> reading...
19:06:37 <sbp> bark poetic? heh
19:07:34 <Morbus> i've been trying to think of ways to add the round number on the Index.
19:07:41 <Morbus> the easiest is also the most difficult for everyone else.
19:07:59 <Morbus> it'd be visually easy and good to add a new first column called "R#" that just contained "1" for all the current entries.
19:08:03 <Morbus> and then 2 and blah blah.
19:08:16 <Morbus> but that is just one more thing to remember when the phantoms are copied over.
19:08:23 <Morbus> when the newlydefinedphantoms, rather.
19:08:37 <sbp> 'tis good
19:08:46 <sbp> there's an "it's" for "its" in there, but that could be sic
19:09:23 <sbp> yeah, I dunno how I'd handle that
19:09:28 <sbp> I'd probably just split it all up
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19:09:32 <sbp> which is Not A Solution for you
19:10:03 <Morbus> what do you mean, split it all up?
19:10:16 <sbp> RoundOneIndex, RoundTwoIndex...
19:10:22 <Morbus> ah, that was voted against.
19:10:37 <sbp> not by me it wasn't! :-)
19:10:40 <Morbus> Ghyll_Index will be all rounds, Ghyll_Index_R1 will be Round 1 only + summaries.
19:10:45 <sbp> but yeah, I know it's not what's wanted
19:10:47 <Morbus> and so on.
19:10:56 <Morbus> but, i've been thinking about how to handle "all rounds" in Ghyll_Index.
19:11:08 <sbp> just put a number by them
19:11:20 <Morbus> and then we get to the "harder" to bring phantoms over.
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19:11:32 <sbp> why's that?
19:11:49 <Morbus> well, right now, you only have to add a final column for who is defining it.
19:11:57 <sbp> right
19:12:06 <Morbus> and now you'd have to add something at the beginning and end.
19:12:10 <Morbus> woe is me, someone's gonna screw it up <g>
19:12:18 <Morbus> hell, /I/ can't even remember to add the Talks.
19:12:25 <sbp> surely not. you just have to add a number!
19:12:33 <sbp> <td>1</td> how hard can it be? :-)
19:12:35 <Morbus> add a what now? a leteter?
19:12:39 <Morbus> ooh, i know! a URL!
19:12:51 <sbp> hmm?
19:12:56 <Morbus> <sbp> <td>IHATESITEHAYSHUNS!</td>
19:13:08 <sbp> CHURNS
19:13:16 <Morbus> -> BUTTERS
19:13:22 <sbp> -> DOGS
19:13:29 <Morbus> -> BOING
19:13:54 <sbp> -> ZEBEDEE (how on earth did you go from DOGS to BOING?)
19:14:07 <Morbus> utter dogs make me horny, which causes my PENILE to go BOING
19:14:13 <sbp> chuckle
19:14:25 <sbp> note to self: don't question the connections
19:14:29 <Morbus> heh, heh
19:15:09 <Morbus> so, you're for just adding the number? think i'll do that then, and remove the voting for the index thing.
19:15:48 <Morbus> at this point, i'm leaning into popular vote myself. its the only solution that has the smallest cons.
19:15:54 <sbp> welp, I think if anyone screws something that simple up, they don't really deserve to play (and I'm saying this in the knowledge that I am now bound to be the first to entirely screw it up)
19:16:05 <Morbus> heh, heh.
19:16:08 <Morbus> lol
19:16:21 <Morbus> i'm chuckling over "the English language" stuff.
19:16:23 <Morbus> just randomly.
19:16:27 <Morbus> it is tickling me right now.
19:16:39 <sbp> hmm? where's that?
19:16:46 <Morbus> just all in my head.
19:16:50 <Morbus> the whole alphabetizing thing.
19:16:55 <sbp> oh. heh, heh
19:17:39 <Morbus> [[[
19:17:41 <Morbus> <vasiliyb> http://rafb.net/paste/
19:17:41 <Morbus> <vasiliyb> Draconis, did you look at my config? thanks man
19:17:41 <Morbus> <DrBacchus> vasiliyb: I asked a question about it.
19:17:41 <Morbus> <vasiliyb> DrBacchus, did you look at my config? thanks man
19:17:41 <Morbus> <DrBacchus> vasiliyb: "didn't work" in what sense, precisely.
19:17:46 <Morbus> <Morbus> vasiliyb, did you look at my cock? thanks man
19:17:46 <Morbus> <vasiliyb> DrBacchus, well, when i open the blah/dav/ it asks for u/p
19:17:46 <Morbus> <vasiliyb> lol
19:17:48 <Morbus> ]]]
19:18:36 <Morbus> sigh. my back hurts.
19:18:41 <Morbus> i wanna go and play world of warcraft some more.
19:18:43 <Morbus> but i have four more hours.
19:18:50 <Morbus> I AM A LEVEL 20 TROLL SHAMAN NOW.
19:18:53 <Morbus> MEH!
19:18:55 <Morbus> >.<
19:19:32 <sbp> =>o<=
19:19:40 <Morbus> nice!
19:19:49 <Morbus> B=========D
19:19:49 <eaon> goatse?
19:19:55 <sbp> ooh, even better with an umlaut
19:20:05 <sbp> => =
19:20:07 <eaon> => = ?
19:20:10 <sbp> yeah
19:20:12 <sbp> but maybe not
19:20:19 <Morbus> back in the old bbs days, i use to always do :)~
19:20:31 <Morbus> cos the dos font made it look like a bit of drool
19:20:36 <sbp> what does the... aha
19:22:26 <sbp> I wonder if the goatse man knows that he's the goatse man?
19:25:27 <sbp> he probably does
19:25:32 <sbp> he's probably a hero in his home town
19:25:39 <Morbus> sbp, wanna take a look at GHyll Index?
19:25:41 <Morbus> http://gamegrene.com/wiki/Ghyll_Index
19:25:41 <sbp> and they have street names like Ass Dilation Avenue
19:25:48 <Morbus> just added R# to the A col
19:25:53 <sbp> sure
19:25:56 <Morbus> tbl rather
19:26:15 <Morbus> i guess i could even make it just R instead of R#
19:26:16 <sbp> I'd put it on the right perhaps
19:26:29 <Morbus> the column, or the text?
19:26:37 <sbp> the column
19:26:43 <Morbus> hrm.
19:26:54 <Morbus> alright.
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19:29:22 <Morbus> k, take a look.
19:29:50 <sbp> Rnd.?
19:30:01 <Morbus> yeah, but that'll make it a thick col
19:30:11 <Morbus> a 4 letter header for a 1-2 digit data.
19:30:18 <sbp> yeah, that's the point. I think it's a bit *too* thin at the moment
19:30:28 <sbp> all the others are pretty broad; it looks squished
19:30:48 <Morbus> yeah, but then it'll be left aligned.
19:30:54 <Morbus> and noticably so, and it'll look dumb
19:32:21 <sbp> center align it then?
19:32:46 <Morbus> but that's a whole lotta html!
19:32:51 <Morbus> and refresh
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19:35:27 <sbp> hmm
19:35:36 <sbp> yeah, it definitely needs center-aligning
19:35:42 <sbp> I'd do class="center" or something
19:35:52 <Morbus> class="center"? class="center"?
19:36:01 <sbp> the former
19:36:02 <Morbus> next you'll tell me to do <div class="paragraph">
19:36:17 <sbp> well, that's better than <paragraph>
19:36:29 <sbp> anyway, there's no element equivalent
19:36:29 <Morbus> and <span class="font-size-3-with-green-and-i">
19:36:43 <sbp> nowt wrong with class="center"
19:36:57 <Morbus> yes, there is.
19:37:01 <Morbus> imo, at least.
19:37:05 <Morbus> it describes the positioning, not the intent.
19:37:11 <Morbus> i'd prefer roundcol
19:37:11 <sbp> what's the intent?
19:37:21 <sbp> hmm
19:37:23 <Morbus> well, not intent. but the data.
19:37:24 <sbp> I'd prefer round
19:37:35 <sbp> because td describes that it's a column
19:37:38 <Morbus> yeah, but there could be a zillion ways we use "round".
19:37:40 <sbp> td.round
19:37:42 <Morbus> hrm.
19:37:45 <Morbus> rndidx?
19:37:46 <Morbus> <g>
19:38:03 <sbp> how about ground, for game round? :-)
19:38:03 <Morbus> i still don't want to add all that html though.
19:38:10 <sbp> you could script it
19:38:15 <Morbus> way too complicated.
19:38:37 <Morbus> (its not complicated to do, but its too complicated for this problem, if that makes any sense)
19:39:06 <sbp> yeah. but I don't think there are any other alternatives
19:39:18 <Morbus> just R! <G>
19:40:21 <Morbus> i kinda like the fact that its squishy
19:40:27 <Morbus> because it lessens its importance.
19:40:32 <Morbus> knowing the round isn't conducive to gameplay.
19:40:35 <Morbus> only to stat keeping.
19:40:41 <sbp> utter, utter shame. you were looking like a nice sensible "Rnd." loving person for a while there, but I'm afraid with outbursts like that I'm never going to be able to let you into the club. I'm very sorry and all; I guess it just wasn't meant to be. NEXT!
19:40:44 <Morbus> and first and foremost, we shoul dbe gameplying.
19:40:56 <Morbus> NO!
19:41:03 <Morbus> NO FRIAR ROAST FOR TEH MORBUS!
19:41:08 <Morbus> NO FUNNY LAMPOONING!
19:41:12 <sbp> FRIAR ROAST?!
19:41:16 <Morbus> NO "WIFE?! WHAT WIFE?!"
19:41:20 <Morbus> I AM NOT IN TEH CLUB./
19:41:21 <Morbus> WHAHAHAH
19:41:36 <sbp> NO MORBUSEZ ALLOWED
19:41:48 <sbp> (he have Morbus Jones, but we can have *one* Morbus)
19:42:00 <sbp> oh!
19:42:04 <sbp> can't you just add a space either side?
19:42:06 <sbp> that'd do
19:42:44 <Morbus> hrm. the first space is ignored.
19:42:56 <sbp> ?
19:43:01 <Morbus> * Morbus shivers.
19:43:15 <Morbus> that's even more html than the other suggestin.
19:43:21 <Morbus> well, no. its 2 x $entries less.
19:43:38 <Morbus> assuming we don't use quotes.
19:43:41 <Morbus> 4 x $entries less.
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19:44:52 <Morbus> hrm.
19:45:00 <Morbus> what if, instead of "Rnd" or "R#", we do "R." for the header?
19:45:32 <Morbus> that gives it slightly more room.
19:45:35 <Morbus> * Morbus tries R# again.
19:45:43 <Morbus> but without making the left-align an issue.
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19:46:15 <Morbus> k, again: http://gamegrene.com/wiki/Ghyll_Index
19:46:17 <ows> do someone know of an app to reduce pdf file size?
19:46:26 <Morbus> bzip?
19:46:34 <sbp> that's not *too* bad I suppose
19:47:18 <ows> but I want to convert to a readable file
19:47:33 <ows> without loss of quality
19:47:41 <jsled> bzip | uuencode ?
19:50:31 <crschmidt> jsled: I think he means, "I want the file to still be a PDF."
19:50:40 <jsled> I know.
19:50:42 <crschmidt> Oh.
19:50:44 <ows> I don't want to convert to .ps.gz or even .gz format... I want only to reduce pdf file size
19:50:53 <ows> crschmidt: yeah, that's right
19:50:57 <crschmidt> ows: so, you want to keep all the same data, and reduce the size.
19:51:10 <jsled> So, removing all the vowels, for instance, is out.
19:51:12 <jsled> ?
19:51:40 <ows> crschmidt: yeah.. cause I've a pdf file of about 40MB..
19:52:28 <Morbus> sbp: converted.
19:52:46 <crschmidt> ows: I'm trying to point out that you're asking for the impossible.
19:52:57 <sbp> well done
19:52:59 <jetscreamer> bbl
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19:53:17 <sbp> ows: http://www.verypdf.com/pdfinfoeditor/pdf-optimizer.html
19:53:24 <Morbus> sbp: we had /tons/ of broken html in here, btw.
19:53:27 <Morbus> lots of missing </td>'s.
19:53:47 <sbp> ew. automatic validation anyone? :-)
19:53:48 <Morbus> oh, and don't forget to check my changelog comments.
19:53:54 <jsled> Hmmm. Yeah, you might do better to remove all the consonants. There's more of them.
19:53:55 <ows> the problem is that I don't understand how a pdf file of about 40 pages without images is about 40MB
19:54:14 <sbp> ehheh. but you gave up with the last one
19:54:16 <Morbus> is it raw text, or scans of text?
19:54:19 <jsled> s/There's/There're/
19:54:31 <Morbus> if its image scans of text, there's your problem.
19:54:46 <Morbus> if its raw text (such that you can cut and paste snippets, or just select a whole para), then yeah, there's a problem.
19:54:54 <Morbus> <-- has about 90 gigs of pdfs.
19:54:56 <jsled> Maybe use a smaller font?
19:55:00 <Morbus> lol
19:55:03 <Morbus> jsled++
19:55:04 <sbp> hehe
19:55:15 <sbp> which would actually work if they're text images!
19:55:49 <ows> sbp: I'm using a *nix system :P
19:55:55 <jsled> margins take up a lot of space ... remember, they're in _square_ inches, so it goes up quick!
19:56:08 <Morbus> what does a *nix system "mean"?
19:56:15 <Morbus> i fail to see how that comes inot play.
19:56:18 <crschmidt> Me too.
19:56:21 <Morbus> do you know if they're text images, or text?
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19:56:36 <mediovia> hello Swhackers
19:56:44 <Morbus> hey sexy we were just talking about you.
19:56:49 <Morbus> someone told me you sniffed panties?
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19:56:55 <Morbus> cos i haven't done my LluuaaAAUnnnDry.
19:57:12 <mediovia> Morbus: I do, few opportunities recently, though
19:57:40 <ows> Morbus: sbp said something about pdfoptimizer for windows.. they're only text
19:57:54 <Morbus> ah, gotcha.
19:58:03 <Morbus> try this for me.
19:58:11 <Morbus> open up the pdf in a pdf app.
19:58:13 <sbp> I didn't check what OS. just put "PDF optimizer" into Google
19:58:22 <sbp> * sbp waves to mediovia
19:58:26 <Morbus> print the pdf, but don't print it to paper, print it to your builtin pdf driver in linux.
19:58:33 <mediovia> * mediovia wants to thank sbp and crschmidt for wikkit, and crschmidt for the traffic cam proof of concept
19:58:37 <Morbus> that'll rebuild your pdf using gv and a bunch of weird stuff.
19:58:39 <Morbus> see what the file size is there.
19:58:56 <mediovia> the latter might even get a friend of mine a bonus/promotion (he works for London Transport)
19:59:01 <crschmidt> mediovia: oh, you've used them?
19:59:09 <crschmidt> mediovia: all donations can be sent to my pocket ;)
19:59:11 <sbp> wikkit? heh. I had nothing to do with that except that I was around when it was named. oh, I did write one of the functions I think
19:59:14 <mediovia> they're great, work fine for me
19:59:18 <crschmidt> you wrote that function, sbp
19:59:22 <sbp> whoo
19:59:23 <mediovia> heh, I'll tell hime that
19:59:25 <crschmidt> which is the majority of what makes wikkit cool
19:59:44 <mediovia> both have quite rreignited my interest in computing
19:59:52 <sbp> wow, cool
20:00:00 <mediovia> and I'm learning Python for about the fifth time
20:00:01 <crschmidt> mediovia: I'm getting a new phone either today or tomorrow
20:00:09 <sbp> see you never know how what you do is going to affect things down the line
20:00:10 <crschmidt> and I'm going to be writing more stuff, so keep an eye on /symbian/ for more apps
20:00:18 <mediovia> * mediovia hope spb gets a Series 60 sometine
20:00:29 <mediovia> I've the 7610, kike it a lot
20:00:41 <sbp> maybe one day. I'm one of the very, very few people holding out against mobile 'phones though
20:00:52 <Morbus> * Morbus raises hand too
20:00:56 <mediovia> crschmidt: cetainly will be watvhing it :)
20:01:13 <sbp> Morbus is the only other instance in the world
20:01:22 <Morbus> then again, we are the same person.
20:01:46 <sbp> ah, that would explain it
20:02:00 <mediovia> I kind of understand, I only use mine for messaging and intereb stuff, hardly ever for voice, which is intrusive and nearly always annoys me
20:02:08 <mediovia> er, interweb
20:02:37 <crschmidt> the 7610 looks beautiful
20:02:44 <crschmidt> i guess you're not in the US, then?
20:02:55 <mediovia> yeah it's ok for attactiveness
20:02:56 <sbp> yeah, for intarweb purposes they're starting to look useful... but still a bit pricey
20:02:58 <mediovia> nope, Lonodon
20:03:03 <crschmidt> mediovia: my 3650 broke earlier this week, made me quite sad
20:03:14 <crschmidt> but i was able to get a good price from my provider on a 6600
20:03:32 <mediovia> I got mine for a good price on Ebay, seen quite a few 6600's going inexpensive
20:03:55 <crschmidt> I'm wary of used phones: heard too many horror stories ;)
20:04:12 <crschmidt> I got mine for about the equivilant of 130 new, which is a decent price imho
20:04:18 <crschmidt> (170, plus a free month of service)
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20:04:26 <mediovia> maybe I was lucky, but I knew to trust to seller
20:05:09 <mediovia> that's good, I'm always pay as you go, no contract, no need for all the voice they want to stuff me with
20:05:36 <crschmidt> * crschmidt nods
20:05:59 <crschmidt> I have family far away, so I still make a fair number of calls on nights and weekends, plus have a gf+2 kids, so someone's always out and about
20:06:11 <mediovia> The only things missing for me are Wikipedia, bluetooth connection sharing, and some new decent publishing/messaging app I haven't quite invented yet
20:06:54 <mediovia> There's a DICT app available, and wiki2dict for Wikipedia, but no DICT server yet, dunno if that might be the way forward
20:07:34 <crschmidt> wikipedia: do you just want the data/?
20:07:43 <crschmidt> or to actually edit?
20:08:06 <mediovia> just so I can't be trumped on any topic at dinner parties I don't go to :)
20:08:12 <mediovia> just to read
20:08:15 <crschmidt> http://russellbeattie.com/notebook/1008315.html
20:08:37 <crschmidt> Maxpedia.org: Wikipedia on your mobile -- I think it's a proxy-like thing
20:09:02 <crschmidt> I also plan to take wikkit and make it work with wikis, but I'm not sure how I'm going to do that yet, it's one of those things I'm going to figure out after I get the 6600 :)
20:10:17 <mediovia> ooh, ah, I was more thinking of having the whole thing on an SD card, as I had with the Zaurus
20:10:31 <crschmidt> hm, can you get all the data out easily?
20:10:51 <Morbus> sbp: http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/02/17/btk.package.ap/index.html
20:11:00 <mediovia> yeah, you can dumps, and there are various conversion scripts for different formats
20:12:10 <crschmidt> mediovia: well, maybe i'll just make wikkit able to read a dump then :)
20:12:22 <sbp> Phillipe learns about the birds and the bees! http://www.achewood.com/index.php?date=02182005
20:12:29 <sbp> Morbus: reading...
20:13:37 <sbp> two decades since the last communication?
20:13:44 <Morbus> according to this article.
20:13:48 <Morbus> i know nothing about BTK
20:14:05 <sbp> I love /. headlines
20:14:05 <mediovia> * mediovia burnt his pizza to a crisp
20:14:07 <sbp> "Microsoft Warns of Impossible to Clean Spyware"
20:14:22 <sbp> come again, Slashdot?
20:14:30 <thelsdj_> hah
20:14:46 <thelsdj_> thats pretty bad even by /. standards
20:15:41 <mediovia> maybe it's MS's own spyware product, melded into Windows
20:17:39 <thelsdj_> hmmm The Count of Monte Cristo narreted by Johnny Lee Miller
20:18:00 <sbp> Morbus: http://www.smh.com.au/news/Science/Telehobbits-start-small-war/2005/02/17/1108609352631.html?oneclick=true
20:18:21 <sbp> stolen floresiensis bones
20:18:35 <Morbus> loren coleman did an unauth translation on one of the lists.
20:18:41 <Morbus> in regard to the theft.
20:18:52 <Morbus> that site is sayiung i need an acct.
20:19:27 <Morbus> i think.
20:19:29 <Morbus> * Morbus tries to find.
20:20:30 <Morbus> sigh.
20:20:32 <Morbus> cant find it.
20:22:14 <sbp> neat: http://www.dailycolonial.com/go.dc?p=3&s=505
20:22:24 <sbp> it is? didn't ask me
20:22:34 <sbp> and if it did, I probably just bugmenotted it
20:23:08 <Morbus> yeah, i have bugmenot.
20:23:11 <Morbus> didn't let me through.
20:23:37 <sbp> even weirder
20:23:44 <Morbus> * Morbus reads http://www.sitepoint.com/article/background-colors-javascript as an alt. method of what he's doing now.
20:24:43 <Morbus> sigh.
20:24:47 <sbp> that's different from how you're doing it now?
20:24:48 <Morbus> got about 30% of the way through and deleted.
20:25:00 <Morbus> for one, the guy uses an onload statement that allows only one table to be themed.
20:25:13 <Morbus> and he further compounds that "by design" by using an id to name his table.
20:25:17 <Morbus> so, not useful to me at all.
20:25:25 <Morbus> his is a slightly different method.
20:25:32 <sbp> what's different?
20:25:33 <Morbus> i was hoping better.
20:25:44 <Morbus> his passes the table name in.
20:25:50 <Morbus> the one i'm using is hardcoded.
20:26:01 <sbp> not much of a change
20:26:09 <Morbus> not really. his allows gradients too.
20:26:14 <sbp> meh
20:26:17 <Morbus> which i'm not sure has ever been a decent visual idea.
20:26:36 <sbp> zebra striping is mmmy
20:26:42 <Morbus> mmmy?
20:26:51 <sbp> mmm + adjectival suffix
20:26:58 <Morbus> * Morbus moves on to http://www.xml.com/pub/a/2005/02/09/xml-http-request.html
20:27:07 <sbp> mmmic? mmmous? mmmal?
20:27:09 <Morbus> blah, nevermind.
20:27:11 <Morbus> no itnterest.
20:27:22 <Morbus> * Morbus moves to http://printculture.com/?itemid=73
20:27:25 <Morbus> 10 bms left!
20:27:35 <sbp> actually, XMLHttpRequest is very useful to learn!
20:27:47 <sbp> it's not particularly bound to XML, it's how you do all sorts of Web crap
20:27:56 <Morbus> yeah, thats what i keep saying to jusity the bookmarking.
20:28:03 <Morbus> then i start to read, shrug, and say "don't care!"
20:28:12 <Morbus> when've you used it?
20:28:29 <sbp> probably for my through-the-web-editor stuff
20:29:24 <Morbus> * Morbus waves hands crankily.
20:29:53 <sbp> Jim'll be able to fill in a thousand more applications
20:30:01 <sbp> the Validator favelet uses it
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20:30:27 <sbp> it's like knowing about LWP in Perl, or urllib in Python
20:30:43 <Morbus> * Morbus rebms to the /bottom/ of the list.
20:30:47 <Morbus> ask me in a week how i feel ;)
20:30:48 <sbp> :-)
20:30:59 <sbp> you only have fifteen on the list!
20:31:05 <Morbus> yeah, i know.
20:31:12 <Morbus> i may get to it today. probably will.
20:31:19 <sbp> good, good
20:31:23 <Morbus> i'll probably grumble when i do so.
20:31:28 <sbp> good, good
20:38:52 <Morbus> heh, great post: http://kfmonkey.blogspot.com/2005/02/comics-year-of-bummer.html
20:39:03 <Morbus> but, requires comic knowledge
20:42:10 <crschmidt> supybot: 2**32
20:42:10 <supybot> crschmidt: Error: "2**32" is not a valid command.
20:42:39 <sbp> Monty: calc 2**32
20:43:12 <sbp> Monty?
20:43:14 <Monty> thermodynamics is wholemeal and creased.
20:44:20 <kandinski> hi all, sundry too
20:44:26 <sbp> heh
20:44:43 <kandinski> I didn't have the flash plugin when you talked abou the game earlier
20:44:49 <kandinski> am playing it now
20:44:58 <sbp> * sbp updates misc a bit to be sorted into Code/Services/Doc/Images/Other
20:45:00 <kandinski> down to the dog with the circular saw
20:45:09 <sbp> excellent
20:45:15 <kandinski> it is amazing
20:45:44 <kandinski> funny too, the way you can kill the little guys so bloodily, but the game is all abou not killing them
20:47:02 <kandinski> s/abou/about/
20:48:42 <sbp> like Lemmings
20:49:19 <sbp> heh
20:49:31 <sbp> refactoring some code, I came up with: [[[
20:49:31 <sbp> title = unescape(ls.getTitle(fn))
20:49:31 <sbp> if title is not None:
20:49:31 <sbp> title = escape(title)
20:49:32 <sbp> ]]]
20:49:38 <sbp> spot how it can be further reduced! :-)
20:50:31 <mediovia> * mediovia is only on Chapter 5 of diveintopython
20:50:55 <sbp> this is more of a common sense thing
20:51:06 <sbp> it's like doing int(str(3))
20:51:06 <Morbus> good stuff: http://www.tech.purdue.edu/Cgt/Courses/cgt411/covey/48_laws_of_power.htm
20:51:45 <eaon> []
20:51:48 <eaon> argh!
20:52:07 <sbp> hmm, actually [un]escape does serve a purpose here
20:52:24 <sbp> just in case there's invalid input. but this is my input so I'm not sure I should assume it's invalid :-)
20:54:50 <eaon> []
20:54:53 <eaon> gnaa!
20:55:01 <kandinski> gnaa!
20:55:36 <kandinski> sbp, you are not assuming it is invalid
20:55:46 <kandinski> you are merely courting the slight possibility
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21:00:10 <bmsleight> Hello all
21:00:47 <crschmidt> howdy bmsleight, welcome to #swhack. This channel is publicly logged, so if you say stupid things, everyone will know. More info at swhack.com. Oh, and political future blah blah.
21:00:56 <jetscreamer> sounds kinda gay
21:01:01 <mediovia> hey bmsleight, crschmidt is your man, was here ah...
21:01:09 <crschmidt> * crschmidt grins
21:01:14 <bmsleight> crschmidt, Hello - thanks for the warning.
21:01:16 <crschmidt> * crschmidt lurks.
21:01:18 <crschmidt> No problem!
21:01:25 <crschmidt> er, "lurks as a general rule"
21:01:28 <bmsleight> crschmidt, Cool python script
21:01:29 <crschmidt> not, "lurks right now"
21:01:39 <crschmidt> The London one? Thanks! The cameras were actually provided by JimH
21:01:44 <kandinski> you lurk, but in other channel
21:02:18 <bmsleight> I am responsible for the servers at London that generate the Traffic cam images.
21:02:20 <crschmidt> bmsleight: I'm going to be making it load data from a URI starting sometime soon, so that people can extend it more easily
21:02:24 <crschmidt> ooh, really?
21:02:26 <crschmidt> Nifty!
21:02:27 <bmsleight> yep
21:02:44 <crschmidt> are there more cameras that I've not got in the list yet?
21:02:58 <bmsleight> crschmidt, A few of the cameras are barred at the moment. But we plan to add more cameras soon
21:03:29 <mediovia> * mediovia grumbles some more about the Hammersmith cams
21:03:38 <bmsleight> Have you cheaked the bbc and tfl websites. url....
21:03:44 <bmsleight> * bmsleight slaps mediovia
21:04:06 <mediovia> I saw there were some in Bristol and Leicester
21:04:13 <crschmidt> bmsleight: Like I said, I plan on making it so that people can load data from a URI: that way people who run cameras and stuff can simply provide a camera URI to Area:Name mapping
21:04:17 <bmsleight> http://www.tfl.gov.uk/streets/capitalcams/map-index.shtml http://www.bbc.co.uk/london/travel/jamcams/camlist.shtml
21:04:36 <bmsleight> crschmidt, That would be a cool idea.
21:04:39 <sbp> kandinski: merely courting the slight possibility: heh
21:04:53 <mediovia> well, I could only see that unescaping and escaping might be redundant, was that it?
21:05:06 <crschmidt> bmsleight: I don't know if you guys want to provide that kind of file, but if you don't, I always can :)
21:05:30 <crschmidt> I'm glad to see that people are using it though! I never expected ti to go very far, it was just an example of really-quick development that Python/Symbian allow
21:05:48 <bmsleight> crschmidt, This kind of feedback is really good.
21:05:54 <bmsleight> I will try to make it happen
21:06:12 <crschmidt> bmsleight: I hope to have a new phone over the weekend
21:06:15 <mediovia> crschmidt: you're kidding, I know several people it's sell phones to
21:06:25 <bmsleight> crschmidt, which format would you like the file xml ?
21:06:29 <mediovia> s/it's/it'd
21:06:31 <sbp> *** sbp has changed the topic to: And that just goes to show that you can never predict what's going to happen on the BBC World Service. Er, on Swhack rather.
21:06:45 <crschmidt> bmsleight: I'll provide a format: XML is kinda iffy, have to install extra libraries to parse it smartly
21:06:58 <crschmidt> it'll probably just be a simple || seperator or something that wouldn't be used in a description
21:07:00 <bmsleight> crschmidt, Which format would you like ?
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21:07:11 <sbp> tab delimited?
21:07:19 <crschmidt> sbp: hm, that'd work
21:07:33 <bmsleight> hosted at tfl.gov.uk somewhere ?
21:07:41 <crschmidt> bmsleight: Once I get a prototype together, cna I just drop you an email? I don't want to decide on a format before I actually have an app to read it
21:07:48 <bmsleight> good idea
21:07:50 <crschmidt> I've found that it's easier to develop a format to an app than app to a format ;)
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21:08:13 <bmsleight> crschmidt, I'll pm my email address
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21:09:35 <crschmidt> bmsleight: got it.
21:09:36 <bmsleight> crschmidt, Anything else that would be useful ?
21:09:48 <crschmidt> bmsleight: I can't think of anything yet: I'll let you know by the end of the weekend
21:10:07 <bmsleight> smaller images ? to fit phone screen size ?
21:10:30 <crschmidt> Well, the image viewer automatically resizes them to fit
21:10:39 <crschmidt> But it might be nicer to have smaller images...
21:11:16 <crschmidt> it might also make sense to have them rotated: I can't do that in Python on the phone, but it would let people see a bit more of the image (since most phones are taller vertically than horizontally)
21:11:25 <bmsleight> have you seen py2sis ?
21:11:29 <crschmidt> yep
21:11:39 <crschmidt> Not really all that useful though, to be honest
21:11:48 <bmsleight> Does it need windows ?
21:11:59 <crschmidt> hm, i think it's command line, but not sure what arch it's for
21:12:36 <bmsleight> It means that users of your script would not have to install the python.sis just a standalone .sis file.
21:12:44 <crschmidt> yeah, they would
21:12:52 <crschmidt> You can't run py2sis .sises without the python.dll
21:13:08 <crschmidt> It still needs the runtime, it just lets you package the script up and give it an icon in the menu
21:13:17 <bmsleight> Ok, py2sys appears poitnless then.
21:13:22 <crschmidt> (Otherwise they'd have to package the 800k runtime with every .py script ;))
21:13:27 <crschmidt> Yeah, that's kinda what I decided
21:14:01 <bmsleight> Would the python script cope with video clips ?
21:14:39 <crschmidt> It could: basically, it downloads a file and then opens it in the phone's handler for that file type
21:14:47 <crschmidt> but that means that it wouldn't deal with streaming video clips
21:15:04 <crschmidt> for that, you probably want to go over to flash: FlashLite 1.1 was just licensed for Nokia and can be purchased for $10
21:15:14 <crschmidt> the app I did this because of is actually a flash app
21:15:30 <crschmidt> http://www.infinitumdesign.com/mobile/manhattan.html
21:15:40 <bmsleight> differcult to force end users to pay $10
21:15:49 <crschmidt> Yeah, but the flash apps are *way* cooler looking
21:15:50 <bmsleight> * bmsleight looks
21:16:13 <crschmidt> (Read the instructions at the top: they explan how to get it to work: since it's designed for a phone, it doesn't use the mouse)
21:17:07 <bmsleight> But the phone needs flashlite ?
21:17:17 <crschmidt> right
21:17:21 <bmsleight> * bmsleight undertands
21:17:32 <crschmidt> If I lived in new york though, I'd pay $10 for that app :)
21:18:20 <crschmidt> And that doesn't include the dozen or so other apps that are already out for flashlite, which are all really good
21:18:21 <bmsleight> indeed look very good.
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21:18:34 <bmsleight> * bmsleight coudl use that idea.
21:18:40 <crschmidt> Anyway, I'm no flash developer: if you want that, go offer Justin a job ;)
21:19:04 <crschmidt> But I do plan on putting in work this weekend on making the traffic app more extendable, so I'll drop you an email with details after the weekend
21:19:17 <bmsleight> cool
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21:19:38 <bmsleight> how do you feel about web traffic to your website ?
21:20:02 <crschmidt> I don't care, but the server's hosted at home still, so reliability isn't perfect ;)
21:20:06 <bmsleight> I doubt that I can do it, but may be a link form TfL to -> your site ?
21:20:23 <bmsleight> * bmsleight also has home server
21:21:02 <crschmidt> (justin is the guy who wrote the new york app, btw, didn't say that)
21:21:36 <bmsleight> Justin, is he in ?
21:21:36 <crschmidt> bmsleight: Well, I don't know how much traffic it'd drive ;) If you think it would flood my server or something, I'll pony up for some hosting of it first
21:22:02 <crschmidt> Justin works at Yahoo, in California, I think: he just made the app as a demo, homepage is http://www.infinitumdesign.com/
21:22:05 <bmsleight> Donbt I could get the website to have a link, differnt department
21:22:38 <bmsleight> But I inquire about it. I let you know before anthing
21:22:42 <crschmidt> * crschmidt nods
21:22:42 <crschmidt> thanks
21:22:58 <bmsleight> cool
21:23:25 <bmsleight> * bmsleight brb - need cup of tea and 'comfort' break.
21:24:39 <crschmidt> * crschmidt has a meeting to go to
21:26:03 <bmsleight> crschmidt, One last question
21:26:20 <bmsleight> crschmidt, What the license on the scripts ? GPL ?
21:29:25 <sbp> bmsleight: he's usually quite flexible on licensing
21:29:36 <sbp> if GPL suits you, I'm 99% sure it suits him
21:30:05 <bancus> he uses MIT for julie, I know
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21:32:10 <bmsleight> Anything that an Open Source software is fine by me.
21:32:46 <bmsleight> I just want to check in case I reuse the code.
21:36:56 <mediovia> * mediovia practices suspending...
21:37:30 <mediovia> I'm here?
21:37:35 <mediovia> yes!!
21:41:18 <mediovia> that can't be right - the machine sleeps but the network is still alive
21:42:17 <mediovia> or am I just not going down for the time it would take for freenode to notice I'm absent?
21:42:44 <eaon> irc is pretty pragmatic when it comes to network connections
21:42:46 <edsu> bah "i have a ph.d and i can't get the slogger to work..."
21:44:31 <sbp> edsu: ?
21:44:47 <edsu> something on the slogger list
21:44:57 <edsu> just recent
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21:45:07 <sbp> and you didn't cite a URI for us?!
21:45:36 <sbp> I'm appalled
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21:53:02 <BigJibby> can I make phenny "untell" something?
21:55:12 <sbp> nope
21:55:38 <sbp> unless it's majorly, majorly urgent
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21:58:14 <BigJibby> no, nothing bad :)
21:58:24 <sbp> okay then
21:58:34 <edsu> http://mozdev.org/pipermail/slogger/2005-February/000173.html
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21:58:51 <sbp> esdu: there, was that so *hard*? :-) thanks
21:59:18 <edsu> * edsu applies bandages to his blistered hands
21:59:31 <sbp> chuckle, it's a PhD in computer science too
21:59:37 <sbp> that's wonderful
21:59:40 <edsu> yeah :)
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22:00:05 <edsu> i'm anxiously awaiting morbus' reply
22:00:20 <sbp> ooh, good point
22:00:37 <edsu> where is le morb?
22:00:42 <Morbus> lol
22:00:45 <Morbus> i'm working on that reply now.
22:00:47 <Morbus> that's hilarious.
22:00:48 <edsu> heh
22:01:09 <Morbus> man alive, you guys think you've got me pegged, don't you? <G>
22:01:29 <sbp> he seems to have completely ignored the fact that you have OS X too
22:01:39 <sbp> and awesome
22:01:49 <sbp> * sbp pats the hidden Morbcam
22:02:13 <Morbus> i know there is a page on Firefox that shows all the files used for customization. hunting for it now.
22:04:57 <edsu> yeah, you told me about it i think :)