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00:10:10 <sbp> agreed
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01:24:12 <Motley_Pea> heh
01:24:27 <sbp> heh? well, welcome to #swhack
01:24:49 <sbp> this is a publically logged channel so be careful not to say anything that'll destroy your potential future political career
01:24:53 <sbp> more info at swhack.com
01:24:54 <crschmidt> that's an interesting opening line, and it was saved in the public logs, to destroy your political future. more on swhack at swahck.com
01:25:04 <crschmidt> damn you sbp!
01:25:04 <sbp> winnah
01:25:37 <sbp> we should go through the logs, see who's winning
01:25:56 <sbp> probably you
01:25:59 <crschmidt> nah
01:26:06 <crschmidt> you had the channel long before I existed
01:26:14 <crschmidt> probably phenny, anyway
01:26:25 <sbp> I mean instances where we're both around and typing
01:26:29 <crschmidt> ah
01:26:31 <crschmidt> well, yeah
01:26:33 <crschmidt> then i usually win
01:26:35 <kpreid> @google fight "publically logged" "publicly logged"
01:26:40 <crschmidt> heh
01:26:47 <crschmidt> i didn't use publicly until recently though
01:26:52 <supybot> kpreid: Error: Google seems to be having trouble looking up the user for your license key. This probably isn't a problem on your side; it's probably a bug on Google's side. It seems to happen intermittently.
01:26:53 <crschmidt> (relatively)
01:26:57 <sbp> the "public logs" idea was clever
01:27:04 <kpreid> @supybot--
01:27:05 <crschmidt> yeah, i try and be clever lately
01:27:13 <sbp> it wasn't an idea was it?
01:27:15 <crschmidt> which is why mine sometimes take longer
01:27:19 <sbp> ah
01:27:20 <kpreid> .gc "publically logged"
01:27:23 <kpreid> .gc "publicly logged"
01:27:27 <sbp> well I did make a song out of it recently
01:27:32 <phenny> "publically logged": 69
01:27:42 <sbp> .gc site:swhack.com "publicly logged"
01:27:44 <sbp> .gc site:swhack.com "publically logged"
01:27:45 <phenny> "publicly logged": 142
01:27:57 <phenny> site:swhack.com "publicly logged": 112
01:28:10 <phenny> site:swhack.com "publically logged": 250
01:28:16 <sbp> work that one out
01:28:18 <crschmidt> tarnatio... wha?
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01:28:39 <kpreid> .gc "publically logged" | "publically logged"
01:28:52 <phenny> "publically logged" | "publically logged": 69
01:29:03 <kpreid> huh, that trick i heard of doesn't work
01:29:08 <kpreid> for this case at least
01:29:13 <sbp> .gc "publically logged" OR "publically logged"
01:29:26 <phenny> "publically logged" OR "publically logged": 69
01:29:43 <sbp> .gc "publicly logged" OR "publically logged"
01:29:52 <deltab> you were expecting something else?
01:29:56 <phenny> "publicly logged" OR "publically logged": 198
01:30:24 <crschmidt> deltab: the | sometimes emits more accurate results
01:30:28 <crschmidt> jcowan used it recently
01:30:47 <sbp> Jonk Owan
01:31:44 <sbp> I quite like the name Jonk
01:31:52 <sbp> should try to introduce that somehow
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01:32:29 <Monty> hi d8uv, how ya doing?
01:32:33 <phenny> Monty: shh, don't let anyone know you're around!
01:32:34 <Monty> in Emilia-Romagna.
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01:32:34 <sbp> .w jonquil
01:32:38 <d8uv> Hi
01:32:42 <sbp> hello d8uv
01:32:47 <phenny> jonquil 1. widely cultivated ornamental plant native to southern Europe but naturalized elsewhere having fragrant yellow or white clustered flowers
01:32:50 <sbp> you're about to hear of daffodils
01:32:51 <phenny> jonquil 2. often used colloquially for any yellow daffodil
01:32:54 <sbp> there
01:32:59 <d8uv> I have Hotdog Excellence!
01:33:23 <sbp> really? 30% rat 70% raccoon?
01:33:39 <d8uv> YESES
01:33:43 <sbp> good blend
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01:36:36 <sbp> The Kisu Cycle
01:41:16 <sbp> .gc unconquerableness
01:41:27 <sbp> .gc relinquishments
01:41:29 <phenny> unconquerableness: 383
01:41:34 <sbp> .gc superinquisitive
01:41:42 <phenny> relinquishments: 11,900
01:41:44 <sbp> .gc quinquetuberculate
01:41:54 <phenny> superinquisitive: 202
01:41:56 <sbp> .gc predelinquently
01:42:03 <sbp> .gc inquisiturient
01:42:07 <phenny> quinquetuberculate: 418
01:42:19 <phenny> predelinquently: 380
01:42:23 <sbp> .gc appropinquation
01:42:32 <phenny> inquisiturient: 12,000
01:42:44 <phenny> appropinquation: 13,600
01:43:51 <d8uv> .gc "sbp is a dork"
01:44:03 <phenny> "sbp is a dork": 2
01:44:05 <sbp> .gc "d8uv is a dork"
01:44:18 <phenny> "d8uv is a dork": 0
01:44:26 <d8uv> I am disdork!
01:44:26 <sbp> fine, I'll shut up now
01:44:42 <d8uv> No! You can't stop talking!
01:45:07 <d8uv> ... Not talking is an indicator of dorkism!
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02:10:07 <Monty> howdy, redmonk
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02:15:26 <Monty> it's mediovia!
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04:02:53 <Arnia> Hi mediovia
04:07:07 <d8uv> Hi Arnia!
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04:17:32 <Arnia> Hey d8uv
04:17:36 <Arnia> * Arnia kicks SQL
04:17:55 <d8uv> * d8uv kicks my and postgre
04:25:33 <Arnia> * Arnia kicks sqlite
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05:40:47 <Arnia> Wow... dbus doesn't support unicode
05:41:14 <Arnia> All the problems I was having were caused by dbus panicking if it saw a unicode string
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06:02:14 <deltab> Arnia: where?
06:02:25 <deltab> the python api?
06:18:16 <Arnia> Yeah... well I think its a general DBUS issue
06:18:32 <Arnia> It was DBUS' type system that complained
06:18:53 <Arnia> Heh, but now I can't send signals properly from python to C# apps :p
06:18:56 <Arnia> * Arnia hits dbus
06:26:36 <deltab> so what were the problems you were having due to unicode?
06:28:43 <Arnia> It threw an error claiming that it couldn't understand type 'unicode'
06:29:14 <deltab> that'd be a lack of API functionality, I think
06:29:38 <Arnia> Yes... *sighs* I wish I could make signals work
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08:43:13 <MoiraA> morning
08:44:21 <Arnia> Hey MoiraA. How's the north east?
08:44:30 <MoiraA> very wet and windy at the moment :)
08:44:35 <MoiraA> just had about two days of solid rain
08:44:56 <MoiraA> typical fucked up climate .... mild in January and winter in April
08:45:21 <Arnia> Yeah... only gonna get worse :(
08:45:25 <Arnia> Oh well... I
08:45:29 <Arnia> 'll be back next week
08:45:39 <MoiraA> where are you now?
08:45:50 <Arnia> Bucks
08:45:53 <MoiraA> ah
08:46:00 <MoiraA> nice there? must be a bit warmer I guess
08:46:28 <Arnia> Not really warmer (its high up and windy) but its drier
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08:46:47 <Arnia> Family are driving me mad though, so I'm looking forward to getting home
08:48:00 <MoiraA> you just on a uni break now?
08:48:12 <MoiraA> I think family always do once you get used to living without them
08:48:24 <Arnia> Yeah... term begins the 25th
08:48:47 <Arnia> Three weeks of revision, three weeks of exams, three weeks of fun then graduation
09:03:52 <MoiraA> nice
09:03:57 <MoiraA> what degree are you doing again?
09:06:52 <Arnia> Artificial Intelligence
09:07:45 <MoiraA> cool
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09:12:48 <AaronSw> Sokal Hoax 2: Electronic Boogledydoo (computer-generated paper accepted to computer conference); http://www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/science/04/14/mit.prank.reut/index.html
09:13:25 <AaronSw> Sokal Hoax 2: Electronic Boogledydoo (computer-generated paper accepted to computer conference): http://www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/science/04/14/mit.prank.reut/index.html
09:13:25 <swhacker> posted 746
09:15:03 <kandinski> Aaron: the difference being that this was not reviewed
09:15:08 <kandinski> and it was stated as so
09:15:13 <AaronSw> 746:<a href="http://www.pdos.lcs.mit.edu/scigen/">Their paper-generating website</a>
09:15:16 <kandinski> Social Text was peer-reviwed
09:15:31 <kandinski> so maybe Sokal Hoax 1.02
09:15:52 <kandinski> .seen Morbus
09:16:41 <AaronSw> It looks like his was Kaashoek and not rtm
09:16:46 <AaronSw> s/his/this/
09:17:02 <AaronSw> yeah, but Social Text was also human-written, so I think it balances it out
09:17:17 <AaronSw> Have you read the Social Text paper? It's hilarious. Sokal's book is great too
09:17:49 <kandinski> 746: Considering Sokal's article for Social Text was peer reviewed, and this one has been "accepted without review" (and clearly stated as such), I make that "Sokal Hoax 1.02"
09:17:58 <kandinski> yes, I enormously enjoyed both of them
09:18:27 <AaronSw> I wonder if there's anyone who managed to get all the jokes.
09:18:46 <kandinski> Impostures Intelectuelles is required reading in Universidad Autonoma de Madrid Philosophy of Science class at both the Philosophy and Physics schools
09:19:00 <AaronSw> Wow, that's great to hear!
09:19:12 <AaronSw> I've been recommending it to philosophy of science students here on a purely personal basis
09:19:17 <kandinski> or was a couple of years ago (my friend is a Professor there, and they were buying books by the truckload)
09:19:31 <kandinski> -small truck maybe-
09:20:05 <kandinski> yes, it was a bit of a cheap shot, but it thoroughly demolished a lot of really shoddy "scholarship"
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11:35:30 <crschmidt> .t Z
11:35:32 <phenny> 2005-04-16T11:35:30Z
11:38:57 <Arnia> boing
11:48:56 <crschmidt> mornin.
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14:02:57 <jessica> .acronym UIC
14:03:13 <datum> Ukpeagvik Inupiat Corporation, Ukrainian Investment Communications, Umpire in Chief (baseball), Underground Injection Control, Unemployment Insurance Commission (Canada, archaic), Unemployment Insurance Compensation, Unified INFOSEC (Information Security) Criteria, Union Internationale des Chemins de Fer (International Union of Railways), Unique Identifier Code (Nortel), Unit Identification Code,
14:03:16 <datum> United Industrial Corporation, Universal ICAP Code, Universal Instruments Corporation, Universally Interoperable Core, Universidad Intercontinental (M ico), University of Illinois at Chicago, Unreferenced Interval Count, Upper Information Centre (aviation), Uranium Information Centre, Urban Influence Code
14:03:35 <jessica> milles mercis, datum.
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14:33:50 <sbp> o/~
14:34:11 <crschmidt> mornin, sbp
14:34:25 <sbp> hey there crschmidt
14:35:35 <Arnia> * Arnia crashes in through the pink saloon doors Monty installed last week
14:35:36 <Monty> odd: [[[ ??? ]]] ONE LINE AT A = projectinfo['description'] ]]] and windy) but properties
14:35:39 <Arnia> Damn DBUS
14:40:12 <sbp> ah, they did pick David Tennant
14:40:22 <Arnia> Yeah
14:40:48 <Arnia> * Arnia is going to miss Aliens of London 2/2 unless he finds a TV in Durham
14:41:46 <Arnia> Still... looking forward to "seeing well-loved buildings", as the RT put it, smashed into
14:53:51 <sbp> Radio Times?
14:54:08 <Arnia> Yeah
14:54:43 <Arnia> * Arnia takes the long way home
14:56:05 <Arnia> Alison Graham seems to have fallen in love with Russell T Davis...
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15:02:28 <sbp> wow, cool
15:02:33 <sbp> I don't know who either of those are
15:03:23 <Arnia> Alison Graham is the head TV reviewer for the Radio Times. Russell T Davis is the script-writer and executive producer of the new Doctor Who
15:03:37 <Arnia> The real question is how do we break it to her that he's gay? ;)
15:08:56 <sbp> "how do you feel about wearing a prosthesis and taking some hormones?"
15:09:11 <Arnia> ?
15:09:33 <sbp> that's how I'd break it to her
15:09:55 <Arnia> Ah... sensitive like
15:10:00 <sbp> right
15:10:14 <sbp> I'm a true renaissance man
15:10:48 <Arnia> I'm looking forward to seeing Penelope Witton in this... she used to disturb me when I was a kid
15:11:20 <sbp> yeah
15:11:26 <sbp> no idea who that is either. wow, I'm like Linus
15:11:40 <sbp> gee, that sure is clever Charlie Brown!
15:11:41 <Arnia> Who? *ducks*
15:11:42 <sbp> boy oh boy
15:11:52 <sbp> what are "barrel staves"?
15:11:54 <sbp> who: heh
15:13:07 <Arnia> Anyway, Penelope Witton is the plump lady who used to be on Playdays, Happy Families and other slightly satirical (for adults) kids programmes that have been replaced now by Teletubbies and Balamory
15:13:59 <sbp> the Teletubbies are deeply cynical and satirical
15:14:05 <sbp> they're parodizing reality itself
15:14:23 <sbp> tubby custard is indicative of the rise in fuel prices at the turn of the century
15:14:33 <Arnia> I never saw it like that... now I do, I'm a little worried.
15:14:37 <Arnia> How do I un-see it?
15:14:39 <sbp> the baby in the sun represents the conspiracy theorists
15:14:44 <sbp> well
15:14:46 <Arnia> Teletubbies fnord scare me
15:14:48 <sbp> I can make you un-see it
15:14:56 <sbp> but you'll be in a worse state of mind
15:15:23 <sbp> http://www.post-literate.com/gerpunx/archives/hasselhoffian-recursion.gif
15:15:56 <Arnia> That is just Wrong
15:16:10 <sbp> good for taking your mind off anything else though
15:16:30 <sbp> makes you curl up into a ball and sob a bit
15:16:38 <Arnia> Yes, quite
15:16:46 <Arnia> Cathartic in a very sick way
15:17:02 <Arnia> The Divine Comedy - The Certainty of Chance
15:17:10 <Arnia> Now that's a cynical song....
15:17:25 <sbp> all I know by them is the Father Ted theme tune
15:17:27 <sbp> which is very good
15:17:40 <Arnia> It ends with a monologue [[[
15:20:20 <sbp> exquisite
15:20:38 <sbp> a three minute silent monologue!
15:20:40 <Arnia> Sometimes at night the darkness and silence weighs on me. The peace frightens me. Perhaps I fear it most of all. I think its only a facade hiding the face of hell. I think of what's in store for my children. The world will be wonderful they say, but from whose viewpoint. We need to live in a state of suspended animation, like a work of art. In a state of enchantment, detached, detatched
15:20:42 <Arnia> ]]]
15:21:06 <sbp> cut at "enchantment, detached, detatched"
15:21:07 <Arnia> It took a while to transcribe... he trails off a bit in it
15:21:14 <Arnia> That's the end
15:21:17 <sbp> oh
15:21:25 <sbp> well I did prefer the silence
15:21:29 <Arnia> He just trails off sadly at that point
15:21:37 <sbp> and I can't really imagine that over the Father Ted theme tune
15:21:47 <Arnia> * Arnia nukes sbp
15:22:09 <sbp> hey, I can't help it if the snawe sniters ful snart
15:23:24 <Arnia> I'm looking forward to seeing bits of London being destroyed
15:24:23 <sbp> you've said! man, you must really be salivating over the thought
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15:25:30 <Arnia> I'm not the biggest fan of London... its needed, but that doesn't mean I have to like it
15:26:08 <sbp> well, of central London, about a third of it is great
15:26:11 <sbp> a third is meh
15:26:14 <sbp> and a third is crappy
15:26:20 <sbp> which I think is pretty good going for a city
15:26:31 <sbp> I love London, personally. lots of history and such
15:27:33 <Arnia> Its too full of people. I find its like sitting next to the speaker stack at a rock concert
15:27:50 <sbp> oddly enough, for someone agoraphobic, it doesn't bother me much
15:28:04 <sbp> I get freaked out by people anywhere except London it seems
15:28:12 <sbp> lots to distract me, perhaps
15:28:42 <sbp> the train ride there is usually worse than walking around
15:30:31 <xover> So getting you there for beers in three weeks time or so will be a challenge I take it then?
15:31:04 <sbp> ooh, you're coming over?
15:31:21 <Arnia> Well it will be an especial challenge since I'll be in Durham revising for my exams ;)
15:31:47 <sbp> I may actually have an exam at that time too
15:31:58 <sbp> but apart from that, it's very possible
15:32:16 <xover> Looks like. We're going to Cisco's Wireless Lab (building huge WLAN at `ork) and while the dates are real scetchy so far, it looks like we'll have some play time while we're there.
15:32:20 <Arnia> * Arnia wishes he had the money for a round-trip to London
15:32:49 <sbp> ooh
15:33:02 <sbp> well if it's either flexible playtime or I'm free, we're sorted
15:34:10 <xover> The plan is to fly in on a Friday and leave on the sunday of the following weekend; with 4 or 5 of the weekdays for working and the rest for play.
15:34:38 <xover> But as I said, it's pretty scetchy still.
15:35:15 <sbp> well, keep us informed and we'll make teh arrangements
15:35:20 <sbp> if you want to meet up, that is
15:36:39 <xover> That's the plan. I'll ping you if and when it starts to firm up.
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15:38:01 <sbp> hmm. Javier and Jill are around late-May...
15:38:10 <sbp> bet you can't stretch it that far though?
15:43:12 <xover> Best guess is first or second week of may.
16:16:40 <kandinski> ah
16:16:54 <kandinski> we might actually be able to make it that early
16:16:59 <kandinski> I have not still bought my tickets
16:17:03 <kandinski> so mebbe...
16:17:06 <kandinski> doh, no can do
16:17:14 <kandinski> first two weekends are already booked
16:35:36 <sbp> .cp ellipsis
16:35:39 <phenny> 0EAF: LAO ELLIPSIS (ຯ)
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16:35:45 <phenny> 2026: HORIZONTAL ELLIPSIS (…) [...]
16:35:51 <sbp> .cp lip
16:35:54 <phenny> 0EAF: LAO ELLIPSIS (ຯ)
16:35:54 <Arnia> .cp nuke
16:35:57 <phenny> 1735: PHILIPPINE SINGLE PUNCTUATION (᜵)
16:36:00 <phenny> 1736: PHILIPPINE DOUBLE PUNCTUATION (᜶) [...]
16:36:03 <phenny> Sorry, no results found for 'nuke'.
16:38:11 <sbp> .cp double
16:38:14 <phenny> 00AB: LEFT-POINTING DOUBLE ANGLE QUOTATION MARK («)
16:38:18 <phenny> 00BB: RIGHT-POINTING DOUBLE ANGLE QUOTATION MARK (»)
16:38:21 <phenny> 0150: LATIN CAPITAL LETTER O WITH DOUBLE ACUTE (Ő) [...]
16:38:31 <sbp> .cp double quote
16:38:34 <sbp> er
16:38:34 <phenny> Sorry, no results found for 'double quote'.
16:38:35 <sbp> .cp double quot
16:38:38 <phenny> 201C: LEFT DOUBLE QUOTATION MARK (“)
16:38:41 <phenny> 201D: RIGHT DOUBLE QUOTATION MARK (”)
16:40:40 <Arnia> Not as fun as a nuke
16:56:08 <sbp> .cp right.*single
16:56:10 <phenny> 2019: RIGHT SINGLE QUOTATION MARK (’)
16:56:13 <phenny> 203A: SINGLE RIGHT-POINTING ANGLE QUOTATION MARK (›)
16:56:17 <phenny> 2552: BOX DRAWINGS DOWN SINGLE AND RIGHT DOUBLE (╒) [...]
16:56:21 <Arnia> .cp dog
16:56:24 <phenny> 2EA8: CJK RADICAL DOG (⺨)
16:56:26 <phenny> 2F5D: KANGXI RADICAL DOG (⽝)
16:56:31 <Arnia> I want a radical dog
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17:05:54 <Arnia> sbp: Buy me a radical dog so we can laugh and play catch and watch aliens destroying bits of London
17:07:32 <sbp> radical dogs are great
17:07:38 <sbp> so you basically mix them up with other stuff
17:07:43 <sbp> like dog and water might make a camel
17:07:52 <sbp> or dog and umbrella gives you madeira cake
17:07:57 <sbp> they're free too!
17:08:26 <sbp> http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/2f5d/kangxi_radical_dog.svg
17:08:28 <d8uv> http://img127.echo.cx/img127/9713/hummingbirger1dj.jpg
17:08:29 <sbp> there you go
17:08:37 <sbp> heh, oh man
17:08:40 <sbp> who made that?
17:09:17 <d8uv> Fool at b3ta
17:09:32 <d8uv> http://b3ta.com/board/4508416 <- Thread here
17:10:28 <sbp> * sbp writes a treatise on England at last
17:10:39 <sbp> in my--dun dun DUN--new homepage design
17:10:51 <sbp> thread: thanks
17:12:12 <d8uv> http://b3ta.com/board/4508311 <- For sbp
17:17:35 <sbp> bah
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17:29:17 <kandinski> yes, you apply a radical dog to a washing machine and you get a dogmatic
17:30:52 <Arnia> * Arnia liberally dispenses nukes
17:31:04 <kandinski> Arniaa, you are a grouch
17:31:12 <kandinski> Aaaarniaaaa!!!!
17:31:17 <kandinski> ²
17:31:20 <Arnia> Oh yes. I'm a grumpy old man
17:32:08 <kandinski> yesa
17:32:14 <kandinski> yesssa
17:34:15 <sbp> I can't entertain the possibility that this is true, of course, but the idea of it is funny enough: "And of course, 'google', in old Anglo Saxon in fact means 'cunt', according to research by Dr Samuel Johnson." - http://www.blather.net/shitegeist/000182.htm
17:37:54 <kandinski> I am sure blather pulled this out of google
17:41:08 <Arnia> Is it odd to be a computer scientist/linguist/graphic designer?
17:41:16 <kandinski> no
17:41:25 <kandinski> I am a failed/wannabee all of those
17:41:33 <kandinski> but I think the aspiration is legitimate
17:41:50 <kandinski> and, to answer your question, "not-odd"
17:41:53 <Arnia> Just checking... it seems to scare someone that I'm someone who tries to do all three :p
17:42:18 <kandinski> ignore them
17:43:18 <Arnia> Will do
17:44:41 <sbp> better to aspire to be a doctor/lawyer/architect
17:45:57 <sbp> but you couldn't do all three because they require actual training
17:46:07 <sbp> unless you were exceedingly superhuman
17:46:41 <kandinski> yes, all three is difficult
17:46:52 <sbp> perhaps the combined compsci/lingustics/graphics profession can be considered about as great as one of them
17:47:09 <Arnia> :p
17:47:17 <sbp> and doctor seems in a different league to lawyer/architect
17:47:28 <sbp> we can get by without the latter more'n likely
17:47:33 <kandinski> unless you are an architect building operating theatres according to tort law, and they let you transfer two or three credits
17:47:39 <sbp> heheh
17:47:46 <kandinski> yes, doctors are superhuman
17:48:00 <kandinski> there was a good Malcolm Gladwell piece about that actually
17:48:05 <kandinski> (google for it yourself)
17:48:26 <kandinski> how doctors are like athletic superstars, particularly surgons
17:48:31 <kandinski> literally one in a million
17:48:35 <kandinski> (good ones, that is)
17:48:53 <sbp> hmm
17:49:04 <sbp> Jonathan Borden is a surgeon and a computer scientist
17:49:09 <kandinski> oh
17:49:11 <kandinski> bah
17:49:17 <kandinski> he is not a graphic designer!
17:49:19 <sbp> which shows there is capacity for something on that scale and one of the lesser sciences
17:49:21 <bancus> crschmidt, ping
17:49:25 <sbp> (and he's a good computer scientist)
17:49:25 <kandinski> * kandinski slaps Arnia's back and laughs
17:49:28 <kandinski> HA HA HA HA
17:49:48 <Arnia> Oh yay(!) I do a lesser science :p
17:49:49 <kandinski> he does not know his Clarendon from his Clamydia
17:49:51 <sbp> actually that's kinda scary now that I think of it. he must've spent so much time training to be a surgeon it's odd that he's as advanced in compsci as he is
17:50:04 <kandinski> he cheats
17:50:12 <sbp> Arnia: so do I :|
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17:50:29 <kandinski> Arnia: I don't even do a lesser one!
17:50:35 <kandinski> I merely gawk!
17:50:48 <kandinski> * kandinski slaps thigh, laughs heartilier still
17:50:50 <kandinski> HA etc.
17:51:13 <sbp> note that I'm only taking one aspect of it though: percentage of useful output
17:51:25 <kandinski> and cynical hounds that we are. It is a terrible laugh, the laugh of lost
17:51:27 <sbp> I'm not saying that it's not as hard, nor that it can't feasibly be as beneficial
17:51:31 <kandinski> believe or not, this is not a mispaste
17:51:36 <kandinski> I checked before pasting it
17:51:37 <Arnia> sbp: Although calling any subject which determines what subjects like physics, maths etc can actually solve a lesser subject is a bit like calling engineering a lesser subject to bridge building
17:51:46 <kandinski> but hell if I know what it was doing in the clipboard
17:51:49 <sbp> see my criteria above
17:51:49 <kandinski> (public computer)
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17:52:23 <sbp> I'd say the majority of people who go into computer science go out to do fairly uninteresting stuff
17:52:40 <sbp> doesn't mean that that'll happen to us, but it does happen generally
17:52:41 <Arnia> sbp: Yes, I'd agree... but so do the majority who do physics
17:52:52 <Arnia> sbp: They mostly end up as accountants
17:52:55 <sbp> heh, heh
17:53:06 <sbp> yeah, I'm not sure about physics and astronomy etc.
17:53:14 <sbp> and maths
17:53:44 <Arnia> Mathematicians, in my experience, don't learn enough logic and complexity
17:53:57 <sbp> they're really, really hard to justify in terms of beneficial output; but they seem to be the purest form of science too
17:53:59 <Arnia> They're taught all kinds of application of logic, but not what logic is
17:54:26 <Arnia> I wish departments in this country weren't so fractious
17:54:37 <sbp> yeah
17:54:41 <kandinski> f application of logic, but not what logic is
17:54:41 <kandinski> 19:54 < Arnia> I wish departments in this country weren't so fractious
17:54:41 <kandinski> [19:54] [kandinski(+ei)] [3:#swhack(+ [Act: 1,2,5,7,9,10,11,13,16,18,19,20,22,23,25,26,28,29,31,32,33,34,38,39,41,42,44,45]
17:54:44 <kandinski> [#swhack]
17:54:46 <kandinski> fractious?
17:54:59 <sbp> 45?!
17:55:04 <kandinski> dunno
17:55:07 <Arnia> Fragmented
17:55:08 <kandinski> yes, 45
17:55:12 <Arnia> At odds
17:55:16 <Arnia> .w fractious
17:55:23 <kandinski> I open a lot of channels in "fire and forget" mode
17:55:29 <phenny> fractious 1. stubbornly resistant to authority or control; "a fractious animal that would not submit to the harness"; "a refractory child"
17:55:32 <phenny> fractious 2. easily irritated or annoyed; "an incorrigibly fractious young man"; "not the least nettlesome of his countrymen"
17:55:36 <phenny> fractious 3. unpredictably difficult in operation; likely to be troublesome; "rockets were much too fractious to be tested near thigkly populated areas"; "fractious components of a communication system" [...]
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17:55:48 <deltab> I used to do that, but freenode limits me to 20
17:56:03 <sbp> perhaps I'm thinking of a combination of purity and application then
17:56:09 <deltab> and with x-chat I can't watch that many
17:56:21 <kandinski> well, I use irssi
17:56:25 <sbp> the 20 limit is really annoying
17:56:26 <kandinski> I am not limited in freenode
17:56:33 <kandinski> I think my limit is 60
17:56:41 <kandinski> most of the others are not channels, but privmsgs
17:56:41 <Arnia> * Arnia nukes kandinski
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17:56:55 <kandinski> I only have 10 active channels right now
17:57:10 <kandinski> * kandinski soaks up all the strontium 90 and glows bright
17:57:39 <sbp> vwooooooom vwoooooooom
17:57:46 <bancus> I have four active channels, on two servers.
17:57:50 <kandinski> I have become Bulb, the Lighter of Rooms!
17:57:51 <Arnia> * Arnia settles down in front of the TV
17:57:54 <bancus> I probably lose the game.
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17:58:00 <bancus> Unless it's IRC golf.
17:58:14 <sbp> oh wait, it says it's in the ASC
17:58:19 <sbp> so we should be able to check it
17:58:29 <sbp> (on googlecunt)
17:58:34 <deltab> Who next
17:58:36 <sbp> (was playing window-whack-a-mole)
17:58:54 <sbp> I reckon... eikeon
17:58:58 <sbp> his client cycles a lot
17:59:12 <sbp> or thelsdj
17:59:14 <sbp> er, themaximus
17:59:38 <Arnia> I like the BBC election 2005 trailers
17:59:56 <deltab> now
18:00:24 <themaximus> huh?
18:00:34 <deltab> Doctor Who on BBC1
18:00:39 <Arnia> * Arnia grins
18:00:57 <eikeon> next for what?
18:01:15 <eikeon> My client cycles a lot :(
18:01:30 <kandinski> http://www.deviantart.com/view/8666529/
18:01:41 <kandinski> my personal record is 674
18:01:49 <kandinski> I wonder if it is turing-complete
18:02:15 <kandinski> hey, a friend read a politician's interview the other day and said in a mailing list: "she wouldn't pass the Turing test"
18:02:25 <kandinski> and it did read like a bot wrote it
18:02:30 <kandinski> (it was an >Ihttp://www.deviantart.com/view/8666529/
18:02:33 <eikeon> * eikeon scores 62
18:02:41 <kandinski> IRC chat with the readers of a newspaper)
18:02:52 <kandinski> my second is 469
18:03:52 <sbp> hmm. it was in 879...
18:06:29 <sbp> the Chronicle seems to say 878 though
18:08:21 <sbp> kandinski: 679
18:08:26 <sbp> er, 697
18:08:31 <kandinski> good
18:08:39 <kandinski> did you prime it first?
18:08:40 <sbp> not really. I just hit random circles :-)
18:08:43 <kandinski> or was it luck?
18:08:43 <sbp> nope
18:08:44 <kandinski> oh
18:08:45 <sbp> pure fluke
18:08:51 <kandinski> I have been depriming it
18:09:00 <kandinski> whe they are all the same they don't react as well
18:09:06 <kandinski> the rules are funky
18:12:00 <kandinski> 867
18:14:54 <kandinski> it should be possible to build a perpetuum mobile
18:15:06 <kandinski> that is a nice challenge
18:16:15 <kandinski> oh, likely not possible
18:16:29 <sbp> I'm pretty sure this is false
18:16:32 <kandinski> the left-and-up position is very stable
18:16:34 <sbp> but it's an oddly well constructed lie
18:16:36 <kandinski> yes
18:16:42 <kandinski> well, I was musing out loud
18:16:51 <kandinski> I realised the untruth in about a minute of fiddling
18:16:54 <sbp> no, I mean googlecunt
18:16:57 <kandinski> oh
18:17:02 <sbp> I'm still flicking through Anglo-Saxon records
18:17:05 <kandinski> but thanks anyway
18:17:19 <sbp> problem is everything has so many names
18:17:55 <sbp> Guthrum was also called Gorm, and christened Aethelstan or Athelstan
18:18:30 <kandinski> so there was a Gorm?
18:18:53 <sbp> the battle at Slaughterford was probably the Battle of Edington, also called Ethandum, which may have been in Berkshire not Wiltshire
18:19:12 <sbp> and nobody cites sources, which is very annoying
18:19:21 <sbp> but really it could only have been from the ASC and Asser
18:19:23 <kandinski> 1911
18:19:35 <sbp> yeah, but where did the 1911 get it from?
18:19:39 <kandinski> 94 years ago
18:19:50 <kandinski> no, it is my score in the grid game, dummy!
18:19:58 <sbp> ah
18:20:25 <sbp> heh, another name for Guthrum: Godram
18:21:51 <sbp> heh. Edington is also called Ethandun
18:24:22 <sbp> okay, I think I give up
18:24:30 <sbp> short of emailing the authors, there's not much I can do
18:25:46 <sbp> * sbp finds their contact details...
18:27:38 <kandinski> the game author is only one guy
18:28:18 <kandinski> Mark James
18:28:31 <kandinski> http://fam.deviantart.com
18:30:53 <sbp> [[[
18:30:55 <sbp> In the article "Veritable Streaming Bloody Cunts of Information" of December 12, 2003, you or someone like you wrote that Dr. Johnson found "google" to have meant "cunt" in Anglo-Saxon. Now, in the 1000-to-1 chance that this is a real fact and not an hilarious gag, I'm wondering what the source of that information is. Any clue? Do you even rememeber writing the article?
18:30:55 <sbp> Cheers,
18:30:55 <sbp> Sean B. Palmer
18:30:56 <sbp> ]]]
18:31:00 <sbp> enough about the game!
18:31:34 <sbp> sent to Barry Kavanagh
18:31:46 <kandinski> yes, this game with the google=cunt thing is getting tiresome
18:32:00 <kandinski> .gc googlecunt
18:32:12 <phenny> googlecunt: 0
18:32:14 <kandinski> well, now we also have it, yay
18:32:40 <sbp> I may have to write a post called The Googlecunt Saga if this actually leads somewhere
18:34:31 <kandinski> dorkbot.org
18:35:02 <kandinski> battle of the googlejuices!
18:35:08 <kandinski> miscoranda versus swhack
18:35:10 <sbp> "Having insulted just about every man woman and child in Ireland and Britain, he now lives in Valencia, Spain." - watch out kandinski
18:35:20 <sbp> (for Damien DeBarra)
18:35:29 <sbp> that'd make a great song title
18:35:36 <sbp> Watch Out, Kandinski! (For Damien DeBarra)
18:36:12 <kandinski> wtf?
18:36:24 <kandinski> who lives in Valencia now?
18:36:32 <crschmidt> kandinski: pong
18:36:44 <crschmidt> sorry, my attention is low bandwidth today
18:36:50 <kandinski> actually, it was Bancus
18:36:56 <crschmidt> (was out to lunch with girls and kids)
18:36:57 <sbp> well he did a whole country
18:37:02 <sbp> presumably he'll do yours too
18:37:11 <bancus> heh
18:37:25 <bancus> hey, crschmidt what do I use for the svg plugin?
18:37:30 <bancus> and why couldn't you just post a link?
18:37:41 <kandinski> Damien DeBarra
18:37:49 <crschmidt> bancus: um, pretty sure I did?
18:37:51 <kandinski> give me a URI?
18:37:56 <crschmidt> oh, to the linux one?
18:38:01 <bancus> yeah
18:38:06 <crschmidt> Because I got it from a friend, from a friend, from a...
18:38:07 <crschmidt> etc.
18:38:09 <bancus> ah
18:38:50 <crschmidt> so, since i don't know lineage, I'm playing it safe
18:39:00 <bancus> gotcha
18:39:14 <sbp> what's the most fun thing in London?
18:42:23 <bancus> crschmidt, where do I test it?
18:42:28 <bancus> and do I need to restart?
18:42:46 <crschmidt> you'll probably need to restart firefox after installing any plugin, yeah
18:42:51 <crschmidt> and you can test on the shiny donkey
18:42:55 <crschmidt> .g shiny donkey
18:43:05 <datum> shiny donkey: http://www.shiny-donkey.com/
18:43:07 <phenny> shiny donkey: http://www.shiny-donkey.com/
18:43:18 <crschmidt> there's a link at the top of that page
18:43:44 <bancus> works fine
18:43:48 <bancus> sweet, thanks
18:43:59 <bancus> and then it crashed
18:44:44 <bancus> when browsing to a different site, or going back or something, it crashes
18:45:21 <bancus> segfaults
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18:46:47 <bancus> or closing a tab that has an svg in it
18:47:04 <crschmidt> or sometimes refreshing a page with an svg in it
18:47:09 <bancus> probably
18:47:32 <bancus> it's probably destroying the object, then referencing it right afterward
18:47:37 <bancus> fuck I wish it were open-source
18:48:07 <crschmidt> you can also just get mozilla with mozsvg
18:48:20 <crschmidt> or go back to 3.0, and try and figure out why it's not working in firefox :)
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18:49:45 <sbp> oh great, google is already a ver
18:49:52 <sbp> ...b. according to the OED
18:50:01 <sbp> it's the verb for googly, as in cricket
18:50:21 <sbp> "intr. Of the ball: to have a googly break and swerve. Of the bowler; to bowl a googly or googlies; also (trans.), to give a googly break to (a ball)."
18:50:34 <sbp> e.g. 1930 Ibid. 25 Apr. 8/5 Grimmett..can spin the ball and google it.
18:50:44 <sbp> ibid. being Daily Tel.
18:54:51 <sbp> www.british-history.ac.uk has some good bits about London
18:54:58 <sbp> quite dense
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19:00:10 <sbp> jcowan! meepywhonk!
19:00:36 <sbp> two brain teasers for you
19:00:40 <crschmidt> hey jcowan
19:00:43 <jcowan> I'm all ears.
19:00:57 <sbp> both of them not the kind of brain teasers that particularly tax the brain, but all the same, brain teasers
19:01:10 <sbp> number one:
19:01:11 <sbp> [[[
19:01:13 <sbp> And of course, 'google', in old Anglo Saxon in fact means 'cunt', according to research by Dr Samuel Johnson.
19:01:19 <sbp> King Alfred the Great, at the battle of Slaughterford, was heard to bellow at the Viking king Guthrum the Great "Only thy Edda's (Grandmother's) google is great," as he himself recollected proudly in his 'Anglo-Saxon Chronicle' years later.
19:01:23 <sbp> ]]] - http://www.blather.net/shitegeist/000182.htm
19:01:36 <sbp> what probability of that being true, do you think?
19:01:49 <sbp> and have you heard anything along those lines?
19:01:59 <sbp> number two is for off-the-logs
19:02:17 <jcowan> sbp: one: nijl
19:02:24 <jcowan> er, nil
19:02:33 <jcowan> * jcowan is not talking Dutch today, though Double Dutch is a possibility.
19:02:41 <sbp> I thought 1000-to-1, but nil seems closer. thanks
19:02:51 <jcowan> * jcowan reflects on the vast number of metaphors involving "Dutch".
19:07:12 <jcowan> The nvi problem turned out to be that #include-ing <db.h> gets you DB 4.2, but nvi wants 3.1; #include <db3/db.h> fixed that problem.
19:07:21 <sbp> ah
19:07:23 <sbp> subtle
19:07:25 <jcowan> Now I'm staring at a raft of undefined symbols.
19:07:53 <jcowan> Which may have something to do with how a Windows DLL isn't quite a .so.
19:08:10 <jcowan> * jcowan is trying to figure out how to force a static build.
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19:27:00 <kandinski> C[C3I am O3DO3C/window 3
19:27:00 <kandinski> 09*
19:27:50 <Arnia> * Arnia looks at the Slitheen
19:28:52 <jcowan> kandinski: drunk again?
19:29:08 <jcowan> Arnia: What's the Slitheen?
19:31:15 <Arnia> Just watched Doctor Who
19:31:27 <jcowan> Ah.
19:31:31 <bancus> the new ep?
19:31:33 <jcowan> * jcowan has never watched Doctor Who.
19:31:43 <Arnia> Yeah
19:32:07 <jcowan> compiling nvi again after a possibly useful suggestion from Rhomboid on #cygwin.
19:36:22 <deltab> bancus: did you see the first?
19:42:52 <Arnia> * Arnia unzips his head
19:44:00 <bancus> I saw the first three, yeah.
19:44:13 <bancus> or do you mean the original series?
19:44:16 <bancus> which I never saw
19:44:47 <jcowan> Ittywhonk!
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19:45:40 <deltab> bancus: no, just that this one has continuity from the first
19:46:01 <deltab> this years, first, I mean
19:46:11 <deltab> this year's first, I mean
19:46:17 <bancus> you mean ep-to-ep continuity?
19:46:24 <deltab> yes
19:46:26 <bancus> yeah
19:46:42 <bancus> I watched the first three in order
19:46:46 <deltab> well, there's some of that throughout (such as the bad wolf refs)
19:46:48 <bancus> now waiting for the fourth to become available
19:53:11 <deltab> Arnia: you were thinking of Anette Badland
19:53:34 <deltab> er, Annette Badland
19:53:40 <Arnia> deltab: Yes, I realised when I watched the episode. I had a 'doh' moment
19:53:48 <Arnia> deltab: She still scares me
19:53:59 <deltab> why?
19:54:03 <sbp> oh, you're here
19:54:11 <sbp> Arnia, are you making a unification grammar in OWL?
19:54:22 <sbp> does that even make *sense*?
19:54:28 <Arnia> deltab: Cos she was that scary as a cook in Happy Families
19:54:51 <Arnia> sbp: Sort of... I'll explain once I've extricated myself from the conversations I'm in elsewhere
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20:05:58 <sbp> [[[
20:05:59 <sbp> # screenagers : "teenagers who like watching television and playing computer games" ... Holy. Fucking. Shit. You're just making words up now. NOBODY, NOT EVEN MY MUM would use such a cringeworthy expression.
20:06:04 <sbp> ]]] - http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=699060
20:06:26 <d8uv> Hehe
20:06:46 <d8uv> everything2 is like Wikipedia's rad younger brother
20:06:51 <sbp> yeah
20:08:37 <Arnia> I get annoyed by e2 out of loyalty to h2g2 ;)
20:09:01 <sbp> h2g2 has the #bash syndrome a little
20:09:20 <Arnia> Hmm?
20:09:47 <sbp> remember the learning how to fly bit in HHG?
20:10:00 <Arnia> Yeah
20:10:26 <sbp> well the ground is being funny, and the h2g2/#bash people are those learning how to fly and succeeding
20:11:01 <sbp> okay that metaphor is all screwed up, but it's also an excellent demonstration of exactly what I mean
20:11:34 <sbp> I'd normally call it the lots-of-people-trying-to-be-funny-and-missing syndrome
20:12:20 <d8uv> Well, the metaphor kinda says that they are purposely trying not to be funny
20:12:32 <sbp> yeah, that's why the metaphor sucks all kinds of balls
20:12:34 <Arnia> Hmm... I'm not sure I agree. h2g2 is very funny in the community bits. The main Guide is not meant to be funny, its meant to be relaxed and informative
20:12:49 <Arnia> The editorial guide for the Edited Guide says as much
20:13:00 <sbp> well I don't have as much experience as you; but also you're not unbiased
20:13:12 <sbp> d8uv, have you read h2g2? can you ajudicate?
20:13:16 <Arnia> No, I'm not. But would I have stuck around in the community bits
20:13:40 <d8uv> I haven't read h2g2
20:14:04 <sbp> #bash has it in multitudes of course
20:14:13 <sbp> I only notice it as a mild tendency in h2g2
20:14:25 <d8uv> I've never been to #bash
20:14:35 <d8uv> I have the ability to dodge crap!
20:14:42 <d8uv> HOLY CRAP
20:15:53 <Arnia> sbp: Joachim Quantz
20:17:20 <sbp> taught flute to Frederick the Great
20:17:37 <sbp> why do you mention him?
20:18:19 <sbp> I was searching for an h2g2 grating example, but out of five or so randomly scanned articles only one of them had attempted-non-humour in it (Dublin) so it looks like it's less rampant than I was under the impression
20:18:36 <Arnia> sbp: http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=991958
20:19:03 <sbp> chuckle
20:19:25 <Arnia> You asked... I show
20:19:44 <sbp> thanks
20:20:38 <sbp> (except I don't have an ACM account)
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20:23:18 <crschmidt> so, if I have an xml file, and I want to take it and add a namespace declaration before every attribute...
20:23:22 <crschmidt> what would the best way to do that be?
20:23:48 <sbp> come again?
20:23:59 <Arnia> sbp: one sec, I'll find another source
20:24:50 <crschmidt> http://usefulinc.com/edd/blog/contents/2005/04/grid.xml i want to take that and turn it into something that's closer to RDF
20:25:10 <crschmidt> which means adding a namespace prefix before every attribute, becuase RDF doesn't allow unnamespaced elements
20:25:29 <sbp> oh. XSLT then
20:26:11 <crschmidt> yeah, well. got a beginner's resource for it?
20:26:41 <sbp> nope. I just learned it by looking at other people's code. sorry
20:26:43 <sbp> zvon maybe?
20:26:58 <Arnia> I'd use XR or something with GRDDL
20:27:21 <sbp> which is... XSLT! :-)
20:29:41 <sbp> XSLT adds much needed roughage to your diet, and it's packed full of delicious vitamins too!
20:29:55 <sbp> kidz love it
20:30:32 <d8uv> And with no added sugar! Parents fucking love this shit as well!
20:30:41 <sbp> hehe
20:31:19 <Arnia> XR is like frosted shreddies
20:31:24 <Arnia> sbp: http://arxiv.org/abs/cmp-lg/9501003
20:32:16 <sbp> yayt, thanks
20:32:20 <sbp> s/t//
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20:39:38 <sbp> hey JibberJim
20:39:40 <sbp> cool: www.boundarycommittee.org.uk
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20:40:33 <Arnia> Bloody hell
20:40:39 <Arnia> They've redrawn bucks again
20:41:05 <Arnia> And Durham
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20:41:52 <JibberJim> they need redrawing more, it's still totally unequal!
20:42:25 <Arnia> Apparently I'm now in Bulstrode Electoral Division -- Hedgerley and Fulmer Ward
20:43:36 <sbp> I seem to be in the same ward as ever
20:43:59 <JibberJim> The intensive care ward?
20:44:44 <sbp> don't think I'd be typing in here if that were the case
20:45:27 <JibberJim> hmm, that's true..
20:50:40 <Arnia> sbp: I don't know... patientline systems are gaining all sorts of bells and whistles
20:50:46 <GiovanniT> guys what's the best client for windows to have a cool online presence on IRC but with a GUI interface like a IM?
20:50:51 <GiovanniT> yes i suck i use windows
20:51:16 <sbp> I just use mIRC
20:51:29 <sbp> plenty of us use Windows in here
20:51:31 <sbp> well, some
20:51:39 <Arnia> Does Gaim run on windows
20:51:59 <sbp> dunno
20:52:12 <sbp> yeah
20:53:33 <JibberJim> * JibberJim wonders if crshmidt ever solved the foafnaut problems?
20:55:21 <sbp> yes, he installed trac!
20:55:21 <d8uv> I used X-Chat, but now I also use Chatzilla
20:55:29 <sbp> FOAFnaut was as good as fixed on that day
20:56:04 <crschmidt> heh, heh
20:56:24 <Arnia> * Arnia channels jcowan
20:56:27 <Arnia> blammo, blammo
20:59:29 <crschmidt> JibberJim: I never figured out the viewport issue
21:00:05 <JibberJim> no it's a tricky one
21:00:34 <JibberJim> I can fix it, by removing all the code that imports the outer template and putting it specificly into the file, so you lose flexibility...
21:00:46 <bancus> crschmidt, news on the server?
21:01:47 <crschmidt> bancus: they're supposed to get back to me on Monday
21:01:52 <bancus> crschmidt, k
21:05:35 <sbp> "England is the paradise of women, the purgatory of men, and the hell of horses." - John Florio
21:06:28 <sbp> "England produces under favorable conditions of ease and culture the finest women in the world. And, as the men are affectionate and true-hearted, the women inspire and refine them." - Ralph Waldo Emerson (what a weirdo)
21:07:19 <JibberJim> * JibberJim just read "watching the english" some weirdo anthropologist talking about englishness...
21:08:23 <sbp> Kate Fox?
21:08:37 <JibberJim> yes
21:08:47 <sbp> http://www.sirc.org/graphics/kate2.GIF
21:09:03 <sbp> I can't believe she uses that as her academic headshot
21:09:56 <JibberJim> why not?
21:11:02 <sbp> ahaha: " In England, wit is at least a profession, if not an art. everything becomes professional there, and even the rogues of that island are pedants" - Friedrich Von Schlegel
21:11:08 <sbp> now that's a quote
21:11:15 <sbp> JibberJim: because it makes her look like Twiggy?
21:12:29 <JibberJim> I imagine a certain generation would see that as an excellent thing...
21:12:35 <JibberJim> a bit before my time of course.
21:12:39 <sbp> "In England we have come to rely upon a comfortable time-lag of fifty years or a century intervening between the perception that something ought to be done and a serious attempt to do it." - H. G. Wells
21:12:44 <sbp> yes, certainly
21:12:52 <sbp> if that was a sixties academic headshot, it'd work
21:13:00 <sbp> unfortunately it looks like it really is one
21:13:06 <sbp> and it is no longer the sixties
21:13:30 <sbp> "Coffee in England is just toasted milk." - Christopher Fry
21:14:23 <JibberJim> maybe anthropologists are normally all 70yr old men still with a passion for twiggy and that's how you get funding money
21:15:21 <sbp> bwahaha: "That island of England breeds very valiant creatures; their
21:15:22 <sbp> mastiffs are of unmatchable courage.
21:15:27 <sbp> " - William Shakespeare
21:15:46 <sbp> @@ read Henry V already!
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21:17:51 <sbp> "The young women [in England] are so mortally silly and insipid, that I cannot bear them. Upon my word ... I have scarce met with one worthy being spoke to. Their chat is all on caps--balls--cards--dress--nonsense." - Frances Burney
21:19:34 <sbp> "It is possible in England to dress up by dressing down, but it s a good idea to be a duke before you try it." - John Russell
21:19:57 <sbp> heh: "The only legitimate artists in England are the architects." - Benjamin Haydon (a British artist)
21:20:05 <d8uv> Hehe
21:20:25 <sbp> oh, best yet: "When does this place get to England?" - Bea Lillie, aboard the Queen Mary, quoted in NY Times 3 Sep 67
21:20:38 <sbp> .g "Bea Lillie"
21:20:49 <datum> "Bea Lillie": http://www.laynelittlepage.com/bealillieportal.html
21:20:51 <phenny> "Bea Lillie": http://www.laynelittlepage.com/bealillieportal.html
21:21:49 <d8uv> .gc The IRC bot directly above me is the loser in this contest
21:22:02 <phenny> The IRC bot directly above me is the loser in this contest: 525
21:22:02 <sbp> "I played an understudy who was such a lowly member of a theatrical troupe that she had to play the role of Nothing in Much Ado About Nothing.'"
21:22:41 <sbp> d8uv was the loser in that contest, apparently
21:22:43 <d8uv> Hehe. Awesome quote
21:22:44 <sbp> datum doesn't do .gc
21:22:47 <d8uv> Apparently.
21:22:56 <sbp> Ms. Lillie was apparently quite a wit
21:24:41 <sbp> ooh: "The real tragedy of England, as I see it, is the tragedy of ugliness. The country is so lovely: the man-made England is so vile." - D.H. Lawrence
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21:24:49 <sbp> that's more or less what I'm after
21:24:58 <sbp> when does this place get to England... hehehe
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21:28:22 <sbp> "On the Continent people have good food; in England people have good table manners." - George Mikes
21:28:39 <sbp> 'Commenting in 1977 on his oft-quoted remark above; Since then, food in England has improved, table manners have deteriorated. In those days food was hardly ever discussed, it was taboo, like sex. (How To Be Decadent).'
21:29:36 <sbp> heh, heh: " Tradition means giving votes to the most obscure of all classes our ancestors. It is the democracy of the dead. Tradition refuses to submit to the small and arrogant oligarchy of those who merely happen to be walking around." - G.K. Chesterton
21:30:28 <sbp> "Conservative, even reactionary, in his thinking" - http://www.bartleby.com/people/Chestert.html
21:30:48 <sbp> what is it with that? when I read him I can barely conceive of a more liberal, more considered person
21:30:59 <sbp> I think people must be reading a different Chesterton to me
21:36:54 <sbp> they say the dogma is hidden behind his light-heartedness. I think that's where they've got it wrong. his light-heartedness is hidden behind his dogma
21:42:27 <crschmidt> w
21:42:32 <crschmidt> ls
21:42:33 <Monty> wrong window? :)
21:42:34 <Arnia> wibble
21:43:01 <JibberJim> ls
21:43:01 <Monty> wrong window? :)
21:43:12 <JibberJim> no monty, I was just baiting you, you thick bot!
21:43:13 <Monty> Night
21:43:16 <sbp> goatporn/ Morbusporn/ d8uvporn/
21:43:30 <Arnia> ls
21:43:30 <Monty> wrong window? :)
21:43:35 <Arnia> cp
21:43:38 <sbp> mv
21:43:41 <sbp> pwd
21:43:46 <Arnia> cwd
21:43:48 <sbp> ssh
21:43:53 <sbp> rm
21:43:57 <sbp> rm -rf Monty
21:43:58 <Monty> night!
21:44:05 <sbp> wow, it works
21:45:09 <Arnia> * Arnia shoots Monty
21:45:09 <Monty> "On the jump
21:45:39 <sbp> with what? guns are illegal here
21:45:55 <Arnia> Who said it was a gun
21:46:00 <sbp> eww!
21:47:48 <sbp> Monty, speak to us Monty!
21:47:49 <Monty> overlength
21:49:59 <Arnia> * Arnia bursts into giggles
21:50:49 <sbp> Plaque: "This pond of giggles was once the site of a proud Arnia."
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22:15:42 <deltab> ooh, I have a book by Mikes, I think
22:15:59 <deltab> I should read it sometime
22:16:09 <sbp> I've heard the quote before, but I don't know about the guy
22:16:12 <sbp> let us know what it's like
22:16:42 <deltab> his name is pronounced more like "mickesh", I seem to recall
22:17:19 <sbp> yeah, he's hungarian or something
22:17:43 <deltab> which is odd considering that it's spelled "George"
22:20:15 <sbp> heh
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22:34:06 <sbp> I still like nano. it taught me that I can justify my arguments with a simple Ctrl+J
22:35:48 <sbp> BADUMP
22:35:50 <sbp> (tish!)
22:36:29 <d8uv> BAD
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22:37:53 <sbp> heh, heh
22:37:59 <sbp> TAKE AWAY MY TOYS?
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22:59:51 <lonur> monty, what date is it today?
22:59:56 <Monty> Stupid tables at it on it can't believe she had attempted-non-humour in h2g2 is there it crashed
23:00:13 <lonur> monty, who is stupid?
23:00:13 <Monty> What answer would please you most ?
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23:01:59 <sbp> hehe: 00:02:29 <jcowan> Of course in the Channel Islands smuggling was practically the national pastime.
23:02:40 <JibberJim> at least that's more respectable than Wrecking which was many cornish communities
23:03:15 <Arnia> Cornwall is still trying to devolve
23:04:16 <Arnia> [[[
23:04:18 <Arnia> Our online password-protected service for electoral administrators.
23:04:19 <Arnia> ]]]
23:04:25 <Arnia> Wow... makes me feel so secure
23:05:32 <JibberJim> stand for government just get a few postal votes in some names scooped off the electoral roll, get yourself elected, then you can bring a bill to improve online electoral security!
23:06:14 <Arnia> Yeah, cos parliament is a free and fair vote :)
23:07:16 <Arnia> I just love the way they have a link to that on the front page of their site
23:07:23 <JibberJim> yep, you're absolutely free to vote as many times you want...
23:07:36 <Arnia> * Arnia cracks his parliamentary whip
23:07:52 <JibberJim> there's tens of thousands of electoral administrators though, and I guess they're more likely to visit than most people?
23:08:17 <Arnia> Yeah... I just found it amusing since they're trying to promote being there for the people
23:08:36 <Arnia> Yet their focus betrays itself :)
23:08:40 <JibberJim> I don't think the people really give a toss about the election...
23:09:14 <kandinski> phenny: tell jcowan no, not drunk, merely on another person's terminal, and the bindings were really wonky
23:09:16 <phenny> kandinski: I'll pass that on for you when jcowan is around.
23:09:22 <kandinski> hi all
23:09:24 <Arnia> No... democracy pah
23:14:52 <sbp> as long as the bastids don't get in we're fine
23:15:08 <sbp> so if absolutely no one, not a single person, votes, we should be okay
23:15:58 <sbp> I suppose they'd just hold a revote?
23:16:09 <Arnia> Yeah
23:16:20 <Arnia> But you know at least one bastard would vote
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23:16:30 <sbp> yeah
23:16:41 <sbp> Kilroy Silk
23:16:43 <Arnia> Unfortunately you don't get RON at general elections
23:16:50 <sbp> RON?
23:16:55 <sbp> who's he?
23:16:57 <Arnia> Re-Open Nominations
23:17:00 <sbp> oh
23:17:01 <Arnia> STV
23:17:09 <sbp> don't tell me to STV!
23:17:15 <sbp> what's an "STV"?
23:17:26 <Arnia> Single Transferable Vote
23:17:38 <sbp> SDT
23:17:48 <Arnia> As opposed to FPTP and AV
23:17:58 <Arnia> Well, not opposed to AV... in cahoots really
23:17:58 <JibberJim> wouldn't no-one voting just result in a tied result
23:18:18 <sbp> who would be Prime Minister then?
23:18:30 <Arnia> Does a tie in FPTP result in the flip of a coin (like in AV and STV) or a revote?
23:18:34 <JibberJim> so you'd get normal tied resolution - any random thing at the discretion of the returning officer I believe.
23:18:44 <JibberJim> drawing straws I'd guess
23:18:55 <sbp> so the returning officer would become Prime Minister. great
23:19:07 <JibberJim> no, only amoung the candidates in each constituency
23:19:17 <JibberJim> then the largest party would be asked to form a government
23:19:22 <sbp> there must be a grand returning officer, surely?
23:19:39 <JibberJim> although you may need to get the Looney/Baked Bean party coalition and ask them too
23:19:41 <Arnia> Hmm... I almost had to do a coin flip for an election I was running in Durham. That was nerve wracking
23:19:45 <sbp> so if each of the returning officers puts themselves in, the GRO (there you go Arnia) could say him or her self
23:19:48 <Arnia> If one of the candidates had voted for herself I would have had to have done it
23:20:04 <JibberJim> stupid herself!
23:20:10 <Arnia> No, she was glad
23:20:14 <Arnia> Very glad...
23:20:24 <JibberJim> we could get Monty Burns to run a campaign for parliament
23:20:25 <Monty> Yeah
23:20:29 <sbp> gladder than a glad fox?
23:20:44 <JibberJim> er brewster... damn simpsons it's driving me bonkers!
23:20:53 <sbp> Brewster?
23:20:54 <Arnia> She couldn't have coped with losing to a coin flip, or winning and knowing a friend had lost
23:21:08 <sbp> as in vote None of The Above?
23:21:13 <JibberJim> yes
23:21:17 <sbp> good film
23:21:35 <Arnia> I may spoil...
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23:21:50 <sbp> soil?
23:21:52 <sbp> ...
23:21:53 <sbp> spoil?
23:21:54 <JibberJim> but it doesn't show the subsequent thousands of lawsuits as the different people contest the will
23:22:19 <sbp> no, but hopefully he'd be given the money first
23:22:24 <Arnia> Spoil my ballot... always vote, but that doesn't mean you have to vote for one of the parties
23:22:27 <sbp> then he'd easily have the legal fee backing to win
23:22:53 <sbp> what's the difference between spoiling and no voting?
23:23:01 <sbp> hmm. I wonder what the most creative spoil is?
23:23:03 <Arnia> Spoils count to turnout
23:23:09 <JibberJim> take some tippex into the booth, great way to spoil, and protest about electoral fraud at the same time
23:23:16 <Arnia> A long rant against Thatcher was pretty cool
23:23:20 <sbp> adding a new box and voting for yourself
23:23:35 <sbp> adding a new box and voting for Doctor Who
23:23:36 <Arnia> Spoils also have to be read by the returning officers...
23:23:55 <JibberJim> a love letter to the returning officer?
23:24:10 <sbp> crushing the paper into a very tight ball and encasing it in concrete
23:24:18 <lonur> could it be time is here for separation between the have & have nots? Have have money &/or computer knowledge
23:24:20 <Arnia> That would be cool
23:24:31 <lonur> and the haves wil win elections
23:24:33 <Arnia> I may replace the ballot with a stick of neutronium
23:24:59 <JibberJim> * JibberJim expects to see Arnia locked up without trial soon
23:25:09 <sbp> drawing a little cartoon goat around each of the boxes so it looks like a page of rectangularly rectumed goats
23:25:55 <sbp> annotating each of the politicians' names with "wanker... wanker... tosspot... bastard... wanker... ahahahahahahaha--fruitcake... wanker..."
23:26:04 <Arnia> hey... superdense materials are perfectly acceptable writing tools
23:26:35 <sbp> writing "I AM A FISH" five hundred times on it and then passing out
23:27:00 <Arnia> I could write "This is my second vote"
23:27:33 <sbp> crossing all the boxes and then writing at the bottom "yes all of these are good"
23:27:48 <sbp> crossing all the boxes and then writing at the bottom "nope, none of these"
23:28:26 <Arnia> How about writing 'details' of a plot against the state?
23:28:34 <Arnia> Oops... 'plot'
23:28:37 <sbp> crossing the Veritas box and then adding "I want them to deport my brother!"
23:28:56 <sbp> though that might count as a vote for Veritas, which is too scary a thought to contemplate
23:29:29 <Arnia> I bet they count on that as a strategy
23:29:36 <sbp> changing all the candidates' names to characters from Rainbow, and then saying that you'd like to vote for Zippy but that he still hasn't been seen
23:29:39 <sbp> heh, could do
23:30:01 <sbp> writing at the bottom "whichever candidate can win us back the Ashes"
23:30:32 <kandinski> hey
23:30:51 <kandinski> I got this inkling today that Spain might be competing in cricket in ten years
23:30:57 <kandinski> lots of Pakistani immigrants
23:31:01 <sbp> paperclipping a 20 note to the paper and putting "two votes for me, please. wink wink" in whichever box
23:31:05 <kandinski> I saw people playing cricket in the park today
23:31:21 <kandinski> I have seen three cricket bats in the last two weeks
23:31:29 <kandinski> two in BCN, one in MAD
23:31:36 <Arnia> Writing a cheque to the SRO on the ballot
23:31:37 <sbp> writing in an unidentifiable language all over the paper
23:32:07 <Arnia> Voting for an obscure deity
23:32:10 <sbp> SRO: hehe
23:32:11 <JibberJim> with words like al-queda and blair and stuff in readable language
23:32:22 <sbp> JibberJim: heheh
23:33:04 <JibberJim> spain has 6 cricket grounds
23:33:12 <sbp> drawing little cards on each of the boxes and writing "pick a card--any card..."
23:33:13 <JibberJim> 3500 estimated players
23:33:18 <JibberJim> 16 qualified coaches
23:33:20 <kpreid> draw scary optical illusions!
23:33:27 <sbp> ooh, yeah
23:33:36 <Arnia> I'm going to produce a guide to spoiling your ballot
23:33:50 <Arnia> With lots of credit to sbp for his suggestions ;)
23:33:55 <kpreid> http://www.ritsumei.ac.jp/~akitaoka/rotsnake.gif
23:33:58 <sbp> putting really difficult maths questions in each of the boxes and writing at the bottom "the highest one"
23:34:02 <sbp> guide: awesome
23:34:33 <Arnia> Extremely well formatted of course
23:34:44 <Arnia> Nice typography... sort of like a poster
23:35:05 <sbp> ripping it in half, gluing it back together again as a moebius strip, and then writing "please turn over to see my vote" on the side
23:36:10 <sbp> making a cartoon strip out of each of the boxes wherein Dilbert goes to the polling booth and Dogbert tells him not to bother voting for anyone since he controls the world anyway
23:37:24 <sbp> phew, I'm done for a bit. getting some food :-)
23:37:28 <sbp> start work on the poster!
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23:45:33 <sbp> writing in red and blue crayon in a five year old's handwriting: PRESIDENT KERRY BECAUSE MY DAD SAYS BUSH IS A MORON
23:46:07 <JibberJim> then sign it "George W. Bush"
23:46:17 <sbp> hahaha
23:46:48 <kandinski> pwned!
23:47:04 <kandinski> Jim, you exceed yourself
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23:49:39 <sbp> woah, I've think I've figured out my election pitch
23:49:43 <sbp> hang on a moment, I'll write it up
23:51:23 <lonur> "help the rich, and ye shall be that also"?
23:52:59 <Arnia> My pitch is tar and feather
23:54:46 <sbp> AND NOW
23:54:53 <sbp> A PARTY POLITICAL ANNOUNCEMENT FROM ME
23:54:55 <sbp> [[[
23:54:59 <sbp> Anybody that wants to be a politician is not worthy of being a politician. Just look at all our current politicians: practically from birth they wanted to be in the House of Commons, but they don't care about Britain.
23:54:59 <sbp> You need a candidate that doesn't want to be a politician, and I've got just the guy: me! Sean B. Palmer. I hate politics, and I don't want to be a politician, so I think it is my duty to stand for your constituency in these elections.
23:55:06 <sbp> As soon as you vote me in I will apply for the post of Crown Steward and Bailiff of the three Chiltern Hundreds of Stoke, Desborough and Burnham, the traditional method of resignation for an MP.
23:55:06 <sbp> I will then be able to have Arnia stapled to the wall of his town hall where he will be able to do no further harm to the country.
23:55:12 <sbp> Thank you, and keep watching the skies!
23:55:13 <sbp> ]]]
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23:56:54 <Arnia> sbp: http://www.dur.ac.uk/j.r.c.geldart/spoils.png
23:57:17 <Arnia> I think it deserves a full guide
23:57:19 <sbp> heh! good start
23:59:54 <sbp> I think it'd be good to do it as an online government report style thing too
