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00:02:19 <libby> * libby heads off to bed - night all!
00:02:25 <chimezie> nite libby
00:06:24 <MoiraA> nn
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00:13:08 <Monty> bah, it's JibberJim again
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00:22:24 <BigJibby> Monty, how are you?
00:22:31 <Monty> "presage" is tough to n3 does your guess how are bound in there, done with WONT, DO with knowledge about implementing a start
00:22:46 <sbp> .cp ae.lig
00:22:48 <phenny> Sorry, no results found for 'ae.lig'.
00:22:52 <sbp> .cp ae
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00:22:53 <Monty> it's bskahan!
00:22:55 <phenny> 00A8: DIAERESIS (¨)
00:22:58 <phenny> 00AE: REGISTERED SIGN (®)
00:23:01 <phenny> 00C4: LATIN CAPITAL LETTER A WITH DIAERESIS (Ä) [...]
00:23:08 <sbp> here we go...
00:23:09 <sbp> .cp ash
00:23:11 <phenny> 002F: SOLIDUS (/)
00:23:14 <phenny> 005C: REVERSE SOLIDUS (\)
00:23:17 <phenny> 00C6: LATIN CAPITAL LETTER AE (Æ) [...]
00:23:17 <Ash> stop copying me!
00:23:19 <Ash> argh!
00:23:23 <sbp> AHA
00:23:28 <sbp> .cp letter ae
00:23:30 <phenny> 00C6: LATIN CAPITAL LETTER AE (Æ)
00:23:33 <phenny> 00E6: LATIN SMALL LETTER AE (æ)
00:23:36 <phenny> 01E2: LATIN CAPITAL LETTER AE WITH MACRON (Ǣ) [...]
00:23:42 <sbp> cp Ash Russia
00:23:48 <Ash> :( :( :(
00:23:52 <sbp> cp Ash Hawaii
00:23:58 <sbp> cp Ash Mexico
00:24:24 <sbp> an Ash clone attack would be great
00:24:27 <Ash> heheh
00:24:35 <BigJibby> * BigJibby has a macron
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00:50:57 <BigJibby> anyone seen StarWars? and is it worth $20 to go see?
00:53:30 <enki> whats starwars ?
00:54:35 <BigJibby> * BigJibby adds a space. Star Wars :)
00:55:41 <BigJibby> .w Star Wars
00:55:44 <phenny> I couldn't find Star Wars in WordNet.
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01:01:38 <kpreid> no swhacker!
01:02:01 <sbp> crschmidt was talking about rewriting it
01:02:12 <sbp> I should ask Aaron whether he's planning on doing so, first
01:02:24 <deltab> .w any mistakes
01:02:26 <phenny> I couldn't find any mistakes in WordNet.
01:02:32 <kpreid> "One's attitude towards Infinity may be related to one's choice of literary genre.": http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/006306.html#81189
01:02:33 <sbp> heh, heh
01:03:09 <kpreid> -- just reading, thought this managed to approximate profundity notably
01:03:26 <Ash> * Ash rewrites it
01:03:46 <kpreid> sbp: what was swhacker's backend?
01:03:53 <kpreid> er
01:03:55 <kpreid> data store, I mean
01:04:09 <sbp> iuno
01:04:24 <sbp> never got to see the code, I don't think
01:04:36 <kpreid> hmmmmm
01:04:49 <kpreid> i'm tempted to ...
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01:07:01 <sbp> kpreid: actually, there may be a record in the logs, now I think about it
01:07:09 <chimezie> .w kobe
01:07:11 <phenny> I couldn't find kobe in WordNet.
01:07:16 <chimezie> .w beef
01:07:19 <phenny> beef 1. cattle that are reared for their meat
01:07:22 <phenny> beef 2. meat from an adult domestic bovine
01:07:25 <phenny> beef 3. informal terms for objecting; "I have a gripe about the service here" [...]
01:07:30 <chimezie> ha
01:08:29 <kpreid> LEVEL-OF-REFERENCE ERROR
01:10:05 <chimezie> .?
01:10:38 <kpreid> beef are not informal terms for objecting
01:10:46 <kpreid> "beef" is one, however
01:11:08 <sbp> kpreid: oddly not. I guess it was conducted in #sbp
01:11:16 <kpreid> English does tend to drop such distinctions, but dictionaries just don't
01:11:31 <chimezie> yeah, such as 'the data are'
01:11:41 <chimezie> that one flew under my radar recently
01:11:51 <kpreid> you have a word, and a definition which is a phrase describing the referent of the word
01:12:01 <kpreid> not describing the word itself
01:12:19 <chimezie> but i guess all your base 'is' belong to us, isn't as much fun :)
01:12:20 <Anical> chimezie - All Your Base references are verboten. You may be kicked...this is not personal..come back soon
01:12:32 <chimezie> uh oh
01:12:43 <kpreid> Anical: ...what *are* you talking about?
01:12:43 <Anical> kpreid: No clue. Sorry.
01:12:51 <sbp> I think it's talking about a synset
01:13:02 <sbp> beef, gripe, etc. are informal terms for objecting
01:13:23 <kpreid> sbp: i assume so, but the other definitions aren't describing the synset
01:13:28 <kpreid> their synsets
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01:13:43 <kpreid> and #3 isn't flagged in any way as different
01:14:11 <kpreid> (though phenny does omit, if nothing else, the noun/verb/whatever tag)
01:14:34 <chimezie> .w megalomaniacal
01:14:36 <phenny> megalomaniacal 1. suffering from megalomania
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01:20:05 <Monty> it's jetdotnet!
01:20:14 <Ash> no it's not Monty
01:20:15 <Ash> shut up
01:20:18 <Monty> "Thespis", specifically. It's frustrating for all, allabout websites!
01:21:00 <jetdotnet> * jetdotnet checks mirror
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01:29:55 <Monty> Speak of the devil, it's themaximus!
01:30:08 <Ash> SATAN
01:34:57 <deedra> {global notice} Hi all! in 5.5 hours, I'm going to begin the maintenence on the network. This will affect about half the network. For more information, please see 'http://www.freenode.net/news.shtml' Thank you for your patience, and thank you for using freenode!
01:39:15 <d8uv> http://worldometers.info
01:39:21 <sbp> <kpreid> and #3 isn't flagged in any way as different
01:39:28 <sbp> that's because Wordnet is poor
01:39:33 <sbp> hey d8uv
01:39:42 <d8uv> Hi
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01:48:44 <deltab> .cp eng
01:48:46 <phenny> 014A: LATIN CAPITAL LETTER ENG (Ŋ)
01:48:49 <phenny> 014B: LATIN SMALL LETTER ENG (ŋ)
01:48:52 <phenny> 0267: LATIN SMALL LETTER HENG WITH HOOK (ɧ) [...]
01:49:34 <deltab> .cp latin small letter n with
01:49:36 <phenny> 00F1: LATIN SMALL LETTER N WITH TILDE (ñ)
01:49:39 <phenny> 0144: LATIN SMALL LETTER N WITH ACUTE (ń)
01:49:42 <phenny> 0146: LATIN SMALL LETTER N WITH CEDILLA (ņ) [...]
01:49:58 <Ash> .cp ash
01:50:00 <phenny> 002F: SOLIDUS (/)
01:50:02 <Ash> OW TOTALLY COPIED
01:50:03 <phenny> 005C: REVERSE SOLIDUS (\)
01:50:06 <phenny> 00C6: LATIN CAPITAL LETTER AE (Æ) [...]
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01:57:35 <Monty> But what does themaximus_ have to do with the price of fish?
01:57:37 <phenny> Hush there, Monty.
01:57:37 <Monty> ack
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02:34:08 <Monty> howdy, BigJibby
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02:34:39 <BigJibby> how Monty
02:34:41 <Monty> ./.cpan/build/Net-IRC-0.75/IRC.pm
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02:38:31 <BigJibby> Monty, what's that beeping?
02:38:36 <Monty> -- Frank Gorshin, 5/17; Elisabeth Fraser, 5/5; Mason Adams, 4/26; Maria Schell, 4/26; John Mills, 4/23;
02:42:06 <chimezie> .swhack chimezie
02:42:08 <phenny> Sorry, this command has been discontinued.
02:42:50 <sbp> note that swhack.com/tail only goes from the 1st May backwards
02:43:02 <sbp> I need to start cronning the index back into place again
02:43:48 <chimezie> i think i'm about finished with my port of n3proc to 4rdf :)
02:43:52 <chimezie> very nice library
02:44:03 <chimezie> .ety megalomaniacal
02:44:05 <sbp> ooh, awesome
02:44:10 <phenny> megalomaniacal: New Latin
02:44:17 <sbp> thanks for saying so, and for the port
02:44:45 <chimezie> np
02:44:53 <BigJibby> holy SWHACK! that's a big font
02:45:08 <chimezie> * chimezie working on blog detailing notes/issues
02:46:15 <sbp> BigJibby: heh, yes. you're not the first to say so
02:46:22 <sbp> * sbp goes in and fixes it himself
02:52:20 <BigJibby> nice, now it fits on the screen :)
02:52:44 <sbp> yeah
02:52:52 <sbp> still looks horrid though
02:55:09 <BigJibby> I knida like it. very simple and, uh, simple
02:55:45 <jetscreamer> heh holy swack
02:56:12 <jetscreamer> i saw somebody talking about sbp2, but then i fugured out it's an ipod or itunes thing
02:56:15 <jetscreamer> fig
02:56:46 <sbp> heheh
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02:57:44 <chimezie> sbp: how does Graph.infer work? does it take formulae with variables and try to find corresponding matches?
03:00:58 <sbp> yeah. it takes in an antecedent graph and a consequent graph as its arguments
03:01:20 <sbp> so it's the API invocation of a rule in N3
03:02:08 <sbp> the way that graphs work in pyrple, though, is that they're encoded in literals--so they're just another datatype
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03:04:05 <sbp> welcome back. see http://swhack.com/logs/2005-05-22#T03-00-58 for a recap
03:04:05 <chimezie_> wireless router just spazzed so i didn't get any response sbp
03:04:11 <chimezie_> thx
03:05:04 <ows> comrades, is there some xpi sw-based extensions for either thunderbird and firefox (and even sunbird)?
03:05:08 <sbp> so, if you just want to apply a rule to a rulebase and get a result...
03:05:10 <chimezie_> im not sure what you mean by encoded in literals..
03:05:18 <sbp> say that P is your antecedent Graph instance
03:05:21 <chimezie_> you do it inplace w/ infer
03:05:25 <sbp> and Q is your consequent Graph instance
03:05:48 <sbp> and G is the Graph over which you want to apply the rule
03:06:41 <sbp> you can do result = G.infer(P, Q, mode='filter')
03:06:48 <sbp> lemme make a quick example
03:07:02 <chimezie_> excellent
03:07:44 <ows> sbp: do you know of something like that crschmidt has at least one xpi (for DOAP) to use with firefox
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03:10:13 <Monty> hey thelsdj
03:10:35 <lisppaste2> sbp pasted "pyrple.Graph.infer example (for chimezie)" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/8476
03:10:46 <sbp> chimezie_: there y'are
03:11:43 <chimezie_> so i imagine that since pyrple 'encodes' it's triples as literals it's best used as a 'workspace'.. i.e. feed rdf content into it, do some manipulations (inference perhaps) and load out the resulting triples to an RDF store
03:11:45 <chimezie_> thx sbp
03:11:46 <sbp> I could've also done, for example, G.infer(pyrple.Graph(ntriples='?p <#likes> ?r .'), pyrple.Graph(ntriples='?p <#likes> ?r .'), mode='filter')
03:12:04 <sbp> no, it's an RDF store
03:12:16 <sbp> it only encodes *non-root* formulae in literals
03:12:57 <sbp> so it might be less useful if you're reading in tons and tons of rules, which is something I want to fix in the next version that I'm coming up to planning again
03:13:40 <sbp> for normal Graphs--for anything, for example, that Turtle will give you--pyrple is actually a very efficient in-memory storage system
03:13:52 <chimezie_> excellent!
03:14:08 <sbp> havent tested it on millions of triples, but I believe I've tested it on hundreds of thousands, and it holds up well
03:14:15 <sbp> s/nt/n't/
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03:15:32 <chimezie_> yeah what i was alluding to is that it's an excellent foor in-memory calculations and so the more likely role it seems it would play is as a temporary store capable of reasoning whearase another store from where you would load triples (attached to a database) wouldn't have that capability
03:15:42 <chimezie_> for
03:15:46 <chimezie_> er..
03:16:38 <sbp> well I would guess that you could write this kind of stuff on top of another system fairly easily; but even query facilities in most RDF APIs have been lacking up until now, with the SPARQL stuff
03:17:00 <chimezie_> you have yet to try versa then :)
03:17:04 <sbp> for example, rdflib has nothing but a simple yield-triples mechanism for querying, though some people have written more complex stuff
03:17:06 <chimezie_> but yes, it would be fairly easy
03:17:23 <sbp> yeah. haven't tried out many APIs in ages
03:17:32 <sbp> will be doing so if I start work on a pyrple successor though
03:18:55 <chimezie_> query facilities (even tho they are lacking) are more than a few steps ahead of inference/reasoning facilities in rdf stores (for which there is currently only cwm and yoru libraries)
03:19:05 <chimezie_> the latter is what i'm *really* interested in
03:19:30 <chimezie_> .w scouring
03:19:33 <phenny> scouring 1. moving over territory to search for something; "scouring the entire area revealed nothing"
03:19:36 <chimezie_> chimezie_ is now known as chimezie
03:19:37 <phenny> scouring 2. the act of cleaning a surface by rubbing it with a brush and soap and water
03:19:39 <sbp> well I think it'll always be that case, sadly, since query is a necessary part of inference. but yeah; it's annoying that there aren't more people that take that extra little step
03:19:40 <phenny> scouring 3. examine minutely; "The police scoured the country for the fugitive" [...]
03:19:47 <sbp> I think, actually, that pychinko does this stuff
03:19:51 <sbp> .g pychinko
03:19:54 <phenny> pychinko: http://www.mindswap.org/~katz/pychinko/
03:19:56 <sbp> which is worth checking out
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03:20:30 <chimezie> well, i had been scouring :) for some time in search of a python rdf inference library and i think i have what i've been looking for in your graph class and n3parser
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03:20:36 <chimezie> i'll check out pychinko thx for the link
03:20:43 <chimezie> impressive bots you have here :)
03:22:02 <sbp> yeah, they're a cool mix
03:22:08 <sbp> I like it when they interact in amusing ways
03:22:26 <sbp> Monty: cheer us up!
03:22:29 <Monty> else could really need a said() for reference...
03:23:13 <sbp> if (Monty.spewsGarbage()) { said("garbage"); } else { said("coherent stuff"); }
03:23:14 <Monty> deltab: URI?
03:23:33 <sbp> quick deltab, give him a URI! before he runs amok!
03:24:12 <kpreid> URI? What good's a URI? I demand a URL!
03:24:44 <chimezie> does pyrple's graph class work with the later version of your n3processor? is the sink interface the same?
03:25:05 <sbp> nope, they've evolved entirely independently
03:25:14 <sbp> having said that, they've both very straightforward
03:25:21 <sbp> so it shouldn't be too difficult to hook them up
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03:30:27 <chimezie> uh oh.. messy software dependency for pychinko
03:30:52 <sbp> :-)
03:31:02 <chimezie> .g euler backward chain python
03:31:04 <phenny> euler backward chain python: http://www.langdale.com.au/GraphPath/
03:31:07 <sbp> rdflib and pyrple are entirely standalone, I believe
03:31:40 <chimezie> apparently pychinko depends on cwm as well
03:31:57 <sbp> really? that's surprising
03:32:10 <sbp> it's meant to be a clone of it, not incorporate it
03:33:22 <chimezie> .purl PyChinko-release-notes http://www.mindswap.org/~katz/pychinko/downloads/README-0.1.html
03:33:48 <sbp> heh, where did you get the ".purl" command from?
03:33:52 <sbp> that hasn't been active in months
03:34:07 <sbp> oh, /phenny/ homepage? I seriously need to update that
03:34:08 <chimezie> phenny page on inamidst.com
03:41:00 <sbp> I was gonna autogenerate the page from her code, actually. hmm
03:41:43 <kpreid> autogenerate...
03:41:49 <kpreid> I have a project in mind.
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03:43:09 <kpreid> I want to take my quines page, <http://homepage.mac.com/kpreid/quines.html>, and turn it from a handwritten HTML table to something more formal, say individual file^H^H^H^Hresources and RDF descriptions, and autogenerate the results
03:43:25 <kpreid> just a little 'RDF everything' sort of project
03:44:10 <kpreid> if this is at all interesting, please bug me to do it. i need to write some relatively 'practical' software, i've gotten stuck in odd library projects
03:44:19 <kpreid> also, I'm rambling and should be asleep
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03:57:20 <sbp> kpreid: yeah, RDF actually looks fairly good for that
03:58:02 <sbp> I'd still try to exhaust all other alternatives first... :-)
03:58:08 <sbp> actually, possibly: [[[
03:58:10 <kpreid> on the other hand, i have a quotes file in RDF with no nice normal-webby view
03:58:13 <sbp> field: value
03:58:17 <sbp> field: value
03:58:18 <sbp>
03:58:20 <sbp> quine
03:58:21 <sbp> ]]]
03:58:27 <kpreid> mmm, rfc822
03:58:30 <sbp> yeah
03:58:48 <sbp> the deal is then that you can also have an RDF output as well as an HTML one
03:58:51 <kpreid> and then there's filesystem extended attributes, but i haven't gotten there yet
03:59:08 <sbp> but that you use the simple files as your input since then you don't need an RDF API to convert them, just twenty lines of perl
03:59:12 <sbp> heh
03:59:18 <kpreid> bah
03:59:38 <kpreid> i'll just make it an excuse to invent the Perl of RDF
04:00:01 <sbp> nah, keep it simple
04:10:39 <kpreid> ha:
04:10:52 <kpreid> "Giving the complex roots is a lot lot less cheating than citing an approximate solution to ten places. You scum-sucking finite-math maggot." -- http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/001424.html#6788
04:26:43 <sbp> hehe
04:27:04 <sbp> "Signed, Pre-digital fart-faced jackass Bob"
04:28:25 <deltab> http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/001425.html
04:28:28 <deltab> real store names
04:30:58 <sbp> "When I was a kid, there was a bar & grill in Okemos whose sign just said BAR - FOOD. These two words lit up alternately, which became very amusing (to me as I was first learning computers) when the D burned out."
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04:31:16 <sbp> that's hilarious
04:33:33 <chimezie> all done, Sean
04:33:40 <chimezie> check out http://copia.ogbuji.net/blog/2005-05-22/N3_Deserialization when you get a chance
04:44:35 <sbp> chimezie: looks awesome, still going through it
04:44:42 <sbp> just a quick note, though:
04:44:42 <sbp> $ curl -I http://copia.ogbuji.net/files/rdfs-rules.svg | grep Content-Type
04:44:42 <sbp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
04:44:49 <sbp> it should be application/svg+xml, I think
04:45:01 <sbp> it's just rendering the source in my browser (Firefox, with ASV 6)
04:45:05 <chimezie> or image/svg+xml, your right
04:45:15 <chimezie> i had to download and load it explicitely into firefox
04:45:16 <sbp> whoops, image/*, right
04:46:35 <chimezie> I just added a note about baseUri's to the end of the blog. It defaults to http://nowhere if the scope is a urn (since uripath.py is unable to handle urns)
04:47:19 <sbp> on "s[:2] == '_:'": using s.startswith('_:') is marginally quicker
04:47:49 <sbp> uripath.py can't handle URNs? really?
04:49:43 <sbp> chimezie: the code looks cool, though you might want to put in an option to turn off FtRDFSink.flatten since sometimes you might not want all those pesky N3R triples floating around
04:50:07 <chimezie> yeah, it complained
04:50:28 <chimezie> raise ValueError ("Base <%s> has no slash after colon - with relative '%s'." %(here, there))
04:50:38 <sbp> the original flatten code was mainly so that I could do graph isomorphism tests on the output to check that the code was working properly
04:50:47 <sbp> ah, I see
04:51:17 <chimezie> but that's the way formulae are peristed (at least that's how i understood it)
04:51:22 <chimezie> by being flattened / reified
04:51:56 <kpreid> "These fifteen basic cases are the nominative (the tree), partitive (a tree, some tree), genitive (of the tree), inessive (in the tree), elative (from out of the tree), ablative (away from the tree), illative (into the tree), adessive (done on or with the tree), allative (to the tree), abessive (without the tree), prolative (along the tree), translative (became a tree), essive (as a tree), comitative (together with the tree), and instruct
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04:52:07 <kpreid> -- http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/001457.html
04:52:34 <kpreid> "It’s actually necessary for the words to be this long, because otherwise they’d have more inflections than they have letters."
04:55:32 <kpreid> um
04:55:51 <kpreid> the swhack log, at least today, is not getting utf-8 right
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05:02:07 <kpreid> .gc inscrutabilia
05:02:09 <phenny> inscrutabilia: 1,160
05:02:15 <sbp> awesome
05:02:25 <sbp> utf-8: checking...
05:02:47 <sbp> how strange
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05:03:36 <Ash> bonk
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05:06:15 <uche__> AVE!
05:06:22 <sbp> ooh, I know
05:06:40 <uche__> whoa, dewd, why do I have, like two trays after my name
05:06:59 <sbp> ehyup uche
05:07:12 <sbp> kpreid: fixed
05:07:19 <sbp> just needed a "charset=utf-8"
05:07:22 <uche__> chimezie, stop doing cool stuff. I can't be distracted. I have too much to dooooooooo.......
05:07:37 <uche__> too late
05:07:49 <chimezie> :)
05:08:54 <adamhill> adamhill is now known as _dreaminofjeanni
05:09:45 <uche__> Grr. UTC bug in my Copia time adjuster gizmo
05:09:56 <uche__> Therefore, I have a blog posting in the future
05:09:59 <uche__> trippy
05:10:04 <Ash> stop time traveling
05:10:06 <Ash> it's illegal
05:10:22 <sbp> does it have any gambling advice in it?
05:10:27 <uche__> He went out one day in a relative way
05:10:35 <Ash> hey sbp
05:10:39 <Ash> pay attention to your /msg window
05:10:42 <Ash> mr. goofy
05:10:47 <sbp> and returned home the previous night?
05:10:54 <Ash> * Ash implodes
05:10:56 <uche__> Came back, got the lottery right
05:11:08 <uche__> Remember, this is *future* travel
05:11:15 <uche__> As in, part 2 of the series
05:11:47 <uche__> The one without the horrid Huey Newton song
05:12:51 <uche__> (Blasted song is a guilty pleasure of mine, I must admit)
05:13:04 <sbp> which song is that? I must confess to being a little lost
05:13:29 <sbp> all I can think of is Back to the Future and Huey Lewis and the News
05:13:42 <uche__> Oops
05:13:47 <sbp> ah
05:13:50 <uche__> Huey Lewis is is, I guess
05:14:24 <sbp> yeah, that's a good song--especially for the 80s
05:14:25 <uche__> What do I know about 2.5 hit wonders?
05:14:30 <sbp> heh, heh
05:15:50 <uche__> I hope Python gets around to merging the time and datetime modules in a coherent way
05:16:15 <uche__> Right now it gives me a headache to sort out their relative capabilities
05:16:51 <sbp> yes
05:16:56 <sbp> and updating cgi and fixing urlparse
05:16:59 <sbp> then it'd be golden
05:17:10 <uche__> Gettin' ambitious, aren't we?
05:17:21 <uche__> urlparse and urllib need to be burned alive
05:17:25 <sbp> well I'd consider them all equally important
05:17:30 <uche__> And we hope a phoenix will rise from the flames
05:17:34 <sbp> yeah, not sure how I'd fix them
05:17:42 <sbp> all I know is that urlparse is actually seriously broken in spots
05:17:49 <uche__> Actually, Mike Brown has done brilliant things in 4Suite's URL library
05:18:03 <uche__> Very few HTTP/URL lawyers better than MJB
05:18:14 <sbp> Dan Connolly worked on some tools for the then RFC 2396 bis too
05:18:14 <uche__> Not to mention XML and Unicode
05:18:30 <uche__> 4Suite no longer uses urllib and urlparse
05:18:42 <uche__> So we're not broken, unlike too many Python tools :-(
05:18:43 <sbp> hmm
05:18:50 <sbp> I'm a little worried in not having heard of him
05:19:00 <uche__> really?
05:19:01 <Anical> really is not.
05:19:02 <uche__> wow
05:19:03 <sbp> heh, that's good. but it's sad you have to do it, yeah
05:19:05 <uche__> ...
05:19:36 <sbp> hmm, I can see him around a bit in Google
05:20:09 <sbp> doesn't look as famous as Mark Baker or Mark Nottingam or Michael Mealling et al. though
05:20:16 <sbp> s/gam/gham/
05:20:45 <uche__> Not as famous, but based on his interactions with Mark Baker, he knows UR* at least as well
05:20:52 <uche__> anyway, he put a lot of work into
05:20:53 <uche__> http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc3986.html
05:20:56 <uche__> As credited
05:21:26 <sbp> ah, so I see
05:21:27 <uche__> Credited also: Jcowan
05:21:46 <sbp> hmm, I know about a third of the people on that list
05:22:02 <uche__> Well, do you usually move in UR* circles?
05:22:07 <sbp> actually, perhaps more than half now I look at it
05:22:08 <uche__> * uche__ doesn't :-)
05:22:12 <sbp> used to, yeah, a lot
05:22:18 <uche__> They crazy
05:22:23 <sbp> really should've kept up with it
05:22:31 <sbp> but, as you say, it does get very crazy
05:22:42 <sbp> not xml-dev crazy, but crazy nontheless
05:22:53 <uche__> Nothing is as crazy as xml-dev
05:23:52 <sbp> yeah. universal law
05:25:01 <sbp> actually, it's funny that a lot of the people in this list I know from other areas: Al Gilman, for example, from WAI PF; Jeremy Carroll from RDF circles especially graph isomorphism and stuff; Martin Duerst from his i18n work for which he's primarily known
05:25:30 <sbp> few TAG members in there too, and the TAG scribe
05:25:57 <jeannie_watson> I think my boss is related to Al Gilman.
05:26:13 <sbp> I suppose you know the XML ones: Bray, ERH, Norm...
05:26:18 <sbp> jeannie_watson: really?
05:32:48 <uche__> Anyway, re: CGI
05:32:48 <uche__> See SCGI+WSGI
05:32:48 <uche__> Sanity is on the way
05:32:52 <uche__> Even if the spelling sucks
05:33:06 <uche__> "These files contain a list of over 75 occurrences of the words "they"/"their"/"them"/"themselves" referring to a singular antecedent with indefinite or generic meaning in Jane Austen's writings (mainly in her six novels), as well as further examples of singular "their" etc. from the Oxford English Dictionary (OED) and elsewhere. While your high-school English teacher may have told you not to use this construction, it actually dates
05:33:11 <uche__> back to at least the 14th century,"
05:33:13 <uche__> -- http://www.crossmyt.com/hc/linghebr/austheir.html
05:33:15 <uche__> Well, DUH!
05:33:57 <sbp> grumble
05:34:04 <sbp> the amount of times I've had to tell people that
05:34:08 <uche__> uche__ is now known as uche
05:34:22 <uche> Flaky network
05:34:36 <sbp> for example, phenny used it at one point in her tell command: "I'll tell X that when they're around"
05:35:00 <sbp> I think even AaronSw and xover quibbled it
05:36:01 <uche> I think the problem might be that some people seem to put it forth as a nagical cure for the "sexist pronouns" issue
05:36:20 <sbp> yeah. you can't really use it in that context though
05:36:20 <uche> Of course, it's not that, but it's perfectly respectable in many cases
05:36:22 <kpreid> phenny: tell sbp to not do anything in particular, so that I can be reminded what you say in response to tell currently
05:36:24 <phenny> kpreid: I'll pass that on for you when sbp is around.
05:36:38 <sbp> "So I was talking to Uche the other day, and they said that..."
05:36:41 <phenny> sbp: 05:36Z <kpreid> tell sbp to not do anything in particular, so that I can be reminded what you say in response to tell currently
05:36:50 <sbp> the current wording is courtesy of deltab
05:36:53 <kpreid> hmm
05:37:07 <uche> how to use phenny to annoy everyone ;-)
05:37:21 <sbp> well it's easy to get her to annoy a random person
05:37:27 <kpreid> i'm getting a vague feeling of odd phrasing from phenny's current message
05:37:31 <sbp> just do "phenny: tell p* BOO!"
05:37:38 <uche> oh boy
05:37:41 <sbp> and it'll get the first person with a letter p that speaks to her
05:37:42 <uche> not me :-)
05:37:44 <kpreid> like it was missing a natural contraction or something
05:38:10 <sbp> note that she munges that form to make it look like you addressed them specifically too
05:38:20 <sbp> phenny: tell kpr* to demonstrate
05:38:22 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on for you when kpr* is around.
05:38:38 <sbp> kpreid: what'd you have me change it to?
05:38:45 <kpreid> i haven't a clue
05:38:47 <phenny> kpreid: 05:38Z <sbp> tell kpreid to demonstrate
05:38:47 <sbp> sounds like perfect English to me
05:39:26 <kpreid> phenny: tell sb* that i'm just reporting on extremely vague feelings, sb*
05:39:28 <phenny> kpreid: I'll pass that on for you when sb* is around.
05:39:29 <Ash> ZOMG ENGRISH
05:39:29 <uche> sounds fine to me, as well
05:39:46 <kpreid> and I should have been asleep two-and-a-half hours ago, too
05:39:54 <sbp> like when you go up your your secretary and say "don't forget to tell Jack about the meeting" and he or she says "yeah, yeah, I'll pass it on"
05:39:56 <uche> Yeah? Well I should be drinking
05:39:56 <phenny> sbp: 05:39Z <kpreid> tell sbp that i'm just reporting on extremely vague feelings, sb*
05:43:09 <uche> kpreid, EST?
05:43:14 <uche> EDT, I should say
05:43:43 <kpreid> <witty form of "yes">
05:44:23 <uche> MDT here, but I'm an early sleeper, lately
05:44:29 <uche> Off to bed, ya'll...
05:44:39 <kpreid> .mw gormless
05:44:47 <phenny> Entry: gorm·less /'gorm-l&s/, adjective
05:44:50 <phenny> Entry: chiefly British : lacking intelligence : STUPID [...]
05:44:50 <sbp> 'night uche
05:45:04 <kpreid> .mw gorm
05:45:06 <phenny> gorm: definition not found
05:45:12 <kpreid> bah
05:45:34 <deedra> {global notice} Hi all! in about an hour and 15 minutes, I'm going to start in on upgrades to the network. This will be a major upgrade that affects about half the network. Please see 'http://www.freenode.net/news.shtml' for more info. Thank you for your patience, and thank you for using freenode!
05:48:57 <sbp> could've sworn I've spoken about that word in here before
05:49:44 <sbp> only ruthless, apparently:
05:49:44 <sbp> http://swhack.com/logs/2004-04-28#T13-45-17
05:49:52 <sbp> though I may have looked up gormless then too
05:49:55 <sbp> pretty sure I did
05:50:13 <sbp> see http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-rut1.htm
05:50:37 <sbp> "This comes from a defunct term, usually spelt gaum, a dialect word meaning care or attention; in turn this derives from an Old Norse word gaumr."
05:50:43 <kpreid> [[[
05:51:00 <kpreid> [Y]ou may remember my favorite line ever from a cover letter:
05:51:01 <kpreid> "If you don't like this one, I have lots more just like it I can send."
05:51:10 <kpreid> ]]] — http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/001505.html
05:51:20 <sbp> heh
05:51:38 <kpreid> that's just so, um, *perfect*
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05:53:38 <Ash> 23:45 < erek_> how do you play this game
05:54:02 <kpreid> "do exactly what you aren't"
05:54:07 <sbp> You Lose
05:54:13 <sbp> insert 10c to try again
05:55:40 <Ash> 23:47 < erek_> hello?
05:56:19 <deltab> kpreid: maybe it's the unnecessary "for you"
05:57:29 <kpreid> possibly
06:00:20 <sbp> I think I was asked to put that in by someone else
06:00:37 <sbp> this is generally why I barely listen to requests for phenny changes anymore :-)
06:01:05 <Ash> phenny: please rewrite your 'remind' function to include offsets
06:01:10 <sbp> I think I might whip the "for you" back out again though
06:01:16 <sbp> Monty does that
06:01:18 <Monty> shoelaces is pebbledashed and dodgy!
06:01:23 <sbp> not phenny
06:01:30 <kpreid> sbp, put it in randomly!
06:01:40 <Ash> sbp: no, I want to be able to tell phenny to add new functions to herself
06:01:42 <sbp> hey, that's a good idea
06:01:51 <sbp> that's also a good idea
06:01:59 <Ash> 23:50 < erek_> what happens if you break your idle, do you receive penalties?
06:02:06 <sbp> chuckle
06:05:50 <Ash> some way of giving her enough information to build her own code
06:05:51 <Ash> OR
06:05:56 <Ash> executable wiki!
06:06:10 <Ash> A function does not exist with this name; edit the new function below
06:07:08 <sbp> heh. tav was working on a way for users to add code to xena. essentially he just made lots and lots of modules off-limits for security, but I still don't know really how one could make that safe
06:07:22 <Ash> seriously, we must do this
06:07:49 <sbp> UNSAFE
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12:49:03 <crschmidt> athena's back up
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13:17:25 <kpreid> .wn cataplectic
13:17:38 <crschmidt> .w!
13:17:42 <kpreid> .w cataplectic
13:17:45 <kpreid> * kpreid sighs
13:17:45 <phenny> I couldn't find cataplectic in WordNet.
13:17:52 <kpreid> .mw cataplectic
13:17:59 <phenny> cataplectic: definition not found
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13:30:15 <chimezie> .w catatonic
13:30:48 <phenny> catatonic 1. characterized by catatonia especially either rigidity or extreme laxness of limbs
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14:50:34 <chimezie> .g pychinko
14:50:37 <phenny> pychinko: http://www.mindswap.org/~katz/pychinko/
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17:08:44 <Monty> But what does BigJibby have to do with the price of fish?
17:08:47 <phenny> Hush there, Monty.
17:08:47 <Monty> the?
17:09:13 <BigJibby> Monty, there?
17:09:14 <Monty> listening again :)
17:10:41 <chimezie> * chimezie kicks Monty
17:10:41 <Monty> wo bu understand paths.
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17:21:24 <kpreid> “… [T]hen he dropped the bomb. Well, more kind of sidled the bomb into place. Introduced the bomb.” — http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/001541.html
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18:18:32 <eaon> Screws with an octagon in it, do they have any special name?
18:19:45 <crschmidt> kind of like hex screws, only not?
18:19:48 <phenny> crschmidt: 14:27Z <sbp> tell crschmidt that dircproxy isn't working
18:19:48 <crschmidt> * crschmidt has never seen one
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18:20:29 <Monty> But what does lisppaste2 have to do with the price of fish?
18:20:31 <phenny> Hush there, Monty.
18:20:34 <Monty> enki: Error: No matter of pyrple successor though i log tonight
18:21:52 <eaon> crschmidt:
18:22:00 <eaon> gah, damn you Irssix
18:22:12 <eaon> Thanks crschmidt, that was what I was looking for
18:22:33 <eaon> * eaon can't count
18:23:49 <crschmidt> ah. yeah. they're hex screws.
18:23:51 <crschmidt> er
18:24:06 <crschmidt> allen screws? maybe? I think hex screws use an allen wrench
18:24:47 <crschmidt> whatever. I'm tired. just woke up from a nap. wireless keyboard is destroyed (water incident), powerbook power adapter is destroyed (the machine got dropped: luckily it survived). it's not a good day for computers nad me.
18:25:36 <eaon> * eaon gives crschmidt a hug
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18:32:05 <chimezie> me neither.. my Dell inspiron 600m Fedora Core 3 install no longer recognizes the intel pro wireless 2000 card after upgrading the kernel to 2.6.11
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18:53:48 <deltab> Channel 4 News has an item on the theory of relativity in ballet form, next
19:00:26 <deltab> described in http://www.newscientist.com/channel/opinion/mg18625002.100
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19:02:08 <deltab> "If Aristotle had had rollerblades, he would have come to a different way of viewing the world."
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19:32:29 <adamhill> eaon: internal octagons need allen wrenches, internal stars need Torx
19:32:41 <nsh> sage
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19:36:34 <kpreid> .acronym STET
19:38:31 <kpreid> @acronym STET
19:38:48 <supybot> kpreid: STET could be Latin: Let It Stand (publishing term)
19:39:11 <kpreid> indeed, it probably is
19:39:26 <nsh> "Let it stand"
19:39:27 <nsh> yeah
19:39:53 <nsh> ... - marginal mark in proofreading to indicate that something previously deleted or marked for deletion should be retained.
19:41:19 <kpreid> context:
19:41:45 <kpreid> “Right. Like the book that was panned because of all the errors a copy editor had corrected, but which had been STETed by the author. And the pan was aimed at trashing the copy editor for "missing all the errors."” — http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/002207.html#13672
19:42:06 <nsh> interesting
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19:43:29 <nsh> thanks for the thread
19:44:37 <nsh> .w erodite
19:44:40 <phenny> I couldn't find erodite in WordNet.
19:44:45 <nsh> look harder
19:44:56 <nsh> .w erudite
19:44:58 <phenny> erudite 1. having or showing profound knowledge; "a learned jurist"; "an erudite professor"
19:45:10 <nsh> .w profound
19:45:13 <phenny> profound 1. showing intellectual penetration or emotional depths; from the depths of your being; "the differences are profound"; "a profound insight"; "a profound book"; "a profound mind"; "profound contempt"; "profound regret"
19:45:17 <phenny> profound 2. of the greatest intensity; complete; "a profound silence"; "a state of profound shock"
19:45:20 <phenny> profound 3. far-reaching and thoroughgoing in effect especially on the nature of something; "the fundamental revolution in human values that has occurred"; "the book underwent fundamental changes"; "committed the fundamental error of confusing spending with extravagance"; "profound social changes" [...]
19:45:53 <nsh> erudite = oscar wilde
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19:46:00 <nsh> remember that, Monty
19:46:02 <Monty> fondles bitches!
19:46:07 <nsh> haha
19:48:34 <nsh> "I always pass on good advice. It is the only thing to do with it. It is never of any use to oneself."
19:49:07 <nsh> no, wait - there's an even better one!
19:49:16 <nsh> "In examinations the foolish ask questions that the wise cannot answer."
19:49:36 <kpreid> “I was tremendously disappointed to discover that there wasn't a glittering multi-faceted blue stone at the heart of the titanium-sapphire laser I used in grad school, but rather a tiny cylinder of ordinary-looking glass...”
19:50:18 <nsh> if only...
19:50:33 <nsh> there was a difference between glass and sapphire
19:51:20 <nsh> hey guys, question:
19:51:37 <nsh> why are the journals of famous people, like Lewis Carroll, not google-visible?
19:51:48 <nsh> (yes i know)
19:52:02 <jessica> Mr Carroll was a bit pre-blogging.
19:52:10 <jessica> Plus it probably got pulled down for child porn content.
19:52:26 <jessica> http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a5_185.html
19:52:33 <verbosus> * verbosus heard child pr0n
19:53:02 <nsh> * nsh sighs the long sigh
19:54:17 <nsh> is it not the saddest thing in the world that we are scared of children?
19:54:22 <jessica> I'm not saying he WAS a pornographer -- but under today's hysterical definition, he was.
19:54:28 <nsh> yes
19:54:38 <nsh> to both.
19:54:43 <jessica> I'm definitely scared of mine. They've been quiet for an entire hour. I suspect they found Mommy's copy of the Anarchists' Cookbook.
19:54:58 <nsh> * nsh blows a kiss, they are probably sleeping :-)
19:55:09 <nsh> kids sleep so often :-)
19:56:08 <nsh> * nsh finds the complete works, there is a reference to another book in it
19:56:12 <jessica> I'm a parent. They never sleep often enough.
19:56:12 <nsh> that i want to hunt down
19:56:28 <nsh> even when you think they are awake, they are often sleeping :-)
19:56:46 <jessica> Unfortunately, as our resident fount of all knowledge isn't around, your best bet would be a reference librarian who specialises in, y'know, actual books.
19:57:05 <jessica> phenny, tell jcowan that we missed him in terms of archaic Lewis Carroll books, where did he hide those again?
19:57:08 <phenny> jessica: I'll pass that on for you when jcowan is around.
19:57:25 <nsh> mwah :-)
19:57:57 <nsh> * nsh needs to get this rebound
19:58:08 <nsh> luckily i know a chap who does that sort of thing
19:59:29 <nsh> such a riddler, was mr carroll
19:59:42 <nsh> now i have to thumb through 934 pages
19:59:51 <nsh> to find a one paragraph reference
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20:03:49 <nsh> lol
20:04:38 <nsh> "I can heartily admire the courage of a man who, with severe bodily toil, and at the risk of his life, hunts down some "man-eating" tiger: and I can heartily sympathize with him when he exults in the glorious excitement of the chase and the hand-to-hand struggle with the monster brought to bay"
20:05:36 <nsh> * nsh can hardly stir the sarcasm
20:06:38 <nsh> [[[
20:06:45 <nsh> Who sins in hope, who, sinning, says,
20:06:57 <nsh> 'Sorrow for sin God's judgement stays!'
20:07:05 <nsh> Against God's Spirit he lies; quite stops
20:07:14 <nsh> Mercy with insult; dares, and drops,
20:07:21 <nsh> Like a scorch'd fly, that spinis in vain
20:07:25 <nsh> Upon the axis of its pain,
20:07:31 <nsh> Then takes its doom, to limp and crawl,
20:07:41 <nsh> Blind and forgot, from fall to fall.
20:07:43 <nsh> ]]]
20:09:17 <nsh> i used to think i had a weakness, because i could not write in short sentences. Now I realise I just being poetic when people wanted prose.
20:09:32 <nsh> (of course, that doesn't make me a good poet, nothing can)
20:09:54 <nsh> *was
20:10:30 <nsh> which do you think is more informative, jessica, poetry of prose?
20:11:13 <jessica> I'm a published essayist, so I'm biased.
20:11:15 <jessica> * jessica wanders off.
20:11:40 <nsh> i'd hate to have two asses, you'd never know which one is going to drop you first.
20:12:06 <nsh> :-)
20:12:13 <nsh> don't feel guilty.
20:12:41 <nsh> prose is just poetry that most people can't metre.
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22:20:13 <Monty> hi jetscreamer
22:23:03 <jetscreamer> * jetscreamer waves hi at monty
22:23:03 <Monty> Smaller animals have missed that we could find any more than the weather like today?
22:23:11 <jetscreamer> Monty: botsnack
22:23:11 <Monty> lol
22:23:11 <Anical> thanks jetscreamer :)
22:24:54 <JibberJim> * JibberJim is pondering a rants.jibbering.com so I can actually moan about things - I'm becoming a very grumpy old man...
22:26:33 <BigJibby> * BigJibby likes the names Jibbering
22:28:27 <BigJibby> hmmm, Konq can't do SVG ?
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22:29:53 <JibberJim> konq has KSVG
22:30:08 <chimezie> better than mozsvg?
22:30:24 <BigJibby> I thought I installed KSVG ... guess not :\
22:30:59 <JibberJim> KSVG doesn't support inlined SVG, for standalone, probably pretty similar, probably more mature if anything.
22:31:02 <JibberJim> there's KSVG2 too
22:31:19 <chimezie> dell 600m acpi suspend fedora core
22:31:24 <chimezie> whoops
22:31:27 <chimezie> .g dell 600m acpi suspend fedora core
22:31:29 <phenny> dell 600m acpi suspend fedora core: http://forums.fedoraforum.org/archive/index.php/t-2414.html
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22:33:12 <chimezie> .g dell 600m acpi suspend +"fedora core 3"
22:33:14 <phenny> dell 600m acpi suspend +"fedora core 3": http://forums.fedoraforum.org/archive/index.php/t-2414.html
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22:45:41 <chimezie> .ety epiphany
22:45:43 <phenny> epiphany: Middle English epiphanie, from Middle French, from Late Latin epiphania, from Late Greek, plural, probably alteration of Greek epiphaneia appearance, manifestation, from epiphainein to manifest, from epi- + phainein to show -- more at FANCY
22:46:53 <chimezie> .ety conquistdator
22:46:56 <phenny> conquistdator: no etymology found
22:47:04 <chimezie> .ety conquistador
22:47:07 <phenny> conquistador: Spanish, ultimately from Latin conquirere
22:48:03 <chimezie> .mw conquistador
22:48:05 <phenny> Entry: con·quis·ta·dor /kän-'kEs-t&-"dor,/, noun
22:48:09 <phenny> Entry: : one that conquers; specifically : a leader in the Spanish conquest of America and especially of Mexico and Peru in the 16th century [...]
22:50:16 <BigJibby> ah, I did install KSVG, sweet!
22:50:20 <chimezie> .swhack pyrple
22:50:23 <phenny> Sorry, this command has been discontinued.
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23:51:03 <chimezie> .ety obese
23:51:12 <phenny> obese: Latin obesus, from ob- against + esus, past participle of edere to eat -- more at OB-, EAT
23:51:17 <chimezie> .mw obese
23:51:19 <phenny> Entry: obese /O-'bEs/, adjective
23:51:22 <phenny> Entry: : excessively fat [...]
23:51:38 <chimezie> .ety isomorphism
23:51:41 <phenny> isomorphism: International Scientific Vocabulary
23:51:46 <chimezie> .mw isomorphism
23:51:48 <phenny> Entry: iso·mor·phism /"I-s&-'mor-"fi-z&m/, noun
23:51:51 <phenny> Entry: 1 : the quality or state of being isomorphic : as a : similarity in organisms of different ancestry resulting from convergence b : similarity of crystalline form between chemical c [...]
23:52:38 <chimezie> .mw isomorphic
23:52:40 <phenny> isomorphic: definition not found
