2005-07-22 Swhack IRC Log

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02:54:30 <Arnia> Mm... pretty http://www.deviantart.com/view/20813596/
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03:10:48 <Arnia> Hey eaon
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03:27:58 <jcowan> Ittywhonk-Ittywhonk!
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03:28:39 <thelsdj> ~/o Suicide is painless, it brings on many changes, and I can take or leave it if I please. o/~
03:42:02 <deltab> what the heck is ~/o?
03:42:20 <deltab> antipodean quaver?
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03:45:13 <deltab> .cp QUARTER NOTE
03:45:15 <phenny> 2669: QUARTER NOTE (♩)
03:45:18 <phenny> 1D15F: MUSICAL SYMBOL QUARTER NOTE
03:46:14 <Arnia> .cp crochet
03:46:17 <phenny> Sorry, no results found for 'crochet'.
03:46:21 <Arnia> bah
03:46:52 <deltab> American names: whole, half, quarter, eight
03:46:56 <deltab> eighth
03:47:40 <deltab> ♪ ♫ ♬
03:48:22 <deltab> anyway, it's crotchet
03:48:53 <Arnia> Yes... so I see. My eyes are fuzzy (5am)
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03:51:02 <Monty> hi cskaterun, how ya doing?
03:51:04 <phenny> Monty: shh, don't let anyone know you're around!
03:51:06 <Monty> I reckon towels + spools = reasons...?
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05:19:38 <sbp> sbp has changed the topic to: <deltab> what the heck is ~/o? antipodean quaver?
05:23:20 <sbp> boing
05:36:07 <bancus> it's a sperm with its tail being cut off
06:10:53 <sbp> heh, heh
06:11:22 <sbp> phenny: tell Morbus that d8uv got me to change the second row so that it's easier to walk between the seats. screenshot at http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/5691/oceantheatreseating3kq.jpg
06:11:24 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when morbus is around.
06:15:17 <sbp> phenny: tell Morbus argh, make that http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/5669/oceantheatreseats3or.jpg - one of the seats was just slightly out
06:15:20 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when morbus is around.
06:31:27 <sbp> "Hemp farmers are less then mellow about the new law." - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4699945.stm
06:31:35 <sbp> but that reporter a little to mellow about his spelling
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07:04:01 <Jibbler> sbp: "too," unless you want to join him :)
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08:03:24 <sbp> ack!
08:13:16 <kandinski> pingosity
08:17:35 <thelsdj> sin!
08:26:10 <sbp> hey
08:27:52 <thelsdj> yoho, i'm addicted to ytmnd.com
08:41:55 <leobard> wuo
08:45:04 <leobard> http://leobard.twoday.net/stories/853456/
08:45:31 <sbp> ytmnd.com: freekah
08:46:40 <thelsdj> i actually made one haha (only see if you've already been subjected to harry potter spoilers) http://suicideispainless.ytmnd.com/
08:58:52 <leobard> arghhh
08:59:02 <leobard> have to mail this to my wife, she read all of them
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11:31:42 <chimezie> .news http://planetdf.com/index.rdf
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11:32:02 <Emeka> chimezie: Goodbye!
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11:32:18 <chimezie> .news http://planetdf.com/index.rdf
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11:32:33 <chimezie> .news http://planetrdf.com/index.rdf
11:32:35 <Emeka> [u'"SPARQL New draft: Last Call for comments" - http://dannyayers.com/archives/2005/07/22/sparql-new-draft-last-call-for-comments/',
11:32:37 <Emeka> u'"comments on rel-tag microformat" - http://www.phildawes.net/blog/2005/07/22/comments-on-rel-tag-microformat/']
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11:34:42 <chimezie> .news http://planet.swhack.com/rss10.xml
11:34:43 <Emeka> ['"Aaron Swartz: Faces of Fame" - http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/myface',
11:34:45 <Emeka> '"Uche and Chimezie Ogbuji: Use Amara to parse/process (almost) any HTML" - http://copia.ogbuji.net/blog/2005/07/21#Use_Amara_']
11:37:31 <chimezie> .queryDeep http://metacognition.info/profile/webwho.xrdf 3 "length(type(foaf:Person))"
11:37:32 <Emeka> problems parsing included graph <http://purl.org/net/eric/webwho.xrdf'>
11:37:35 <Emeka> loaded additional triples from 6 related graphs (rdfs:seeAlso)
11:37:35 <Emeka> Querying against 2032 triples
11:37:37 <Emeka> 198
11:38:03 <chimezie> .help
11:38:06 <Emeka> I provide the following services:
11:38:09 <Emeka> I. Parse and query RSS 1.0 graph (normalized from RSS/Atom/CDF - with feedparser)
11:38:12 <Emeka> .queryFeed <feed_url> "versa query"
11:38:15 <Emeka> II. Query single RDF Source:
11:38:18 <Emeka> .query <rdf_document_url> "versa query"
11:38:21 <Emeka> III. (Use with caution!) Recursively Query RDF Source (follows rdfs:seeAlso N times):
11:38:24 <Emeka> .queryDeep <rdf_document_url> N "versa query"
11:38:28 <Emeka> IV. Feed - Today's Headlines (feed needs to have dc:date defined on rss:item instances)
11:38:31 <Emeka> .news <feed_url>
11:38:34 <Emeka> V. Versa Function Documentation
11:38:37 <Emeka> .help <function_name>
11:38:40 <Emeka> My current triple limit is 5000
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12:58:54 <Monty> howdy, jcowan
12:59:19 <jcowan> Howdy-doody, Monty.
12:59:22 <Monty> doesn't clipboard transfer per week)"
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13:31:27 <Monty> hi Morbus, how ya doing?
13:31:29 <phenny> Monty: shh, don't let anyone know you're around!
13:31:32 <Monty> I reckon spoons + bedtime stories = dinosaurs.
13:31:41 <Morbus> lol
13:31:43 <phenny> Morbus: 06:11Z <sbp> tell Morbus that d8uv got me to change the second row so that it's easier to walk between the seats. screenshot at http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/5691/oceantheatreseating3kq.jpg
13:31:45 <Morbus> Morbus has changed the topic to: <deltab> what the heck is ~/o? antipodean quaver? || <+Monty> I reckon spoons + bedtime stories = dinosaurs.
13:31:47 <phenny> Morbus: 06:15Z <sbp> tell Morbus argh, make that http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/5669/oceantheatreseats3or.jpg - one of the seats was just slightly out
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14:28:42 <Monty> But what does Talliesin have to do with the price of fish?
14:28:44 <phenny> Hush there, Monty.
14:28:45 <Monty> t has no panic."
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14:35:28 <chimezie> .news http://planet.xmlhack.com/index.rdf
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14:35:31 <Emeka> ['"Interviewed by Tim Anderson" - http://sqljunkies.com/WebLog/mrys/archive/2005/07/21/16156.aspx',
14:35:35 <Emeka> '"via BBC News | UN condemns Zimbabwe slum blitz" - http://www.xsltblog.com/archives/2005/07/bbc_news_africa.html',
14:35:38 <Emeka> '"Use Amara to parse/process (almost) any HTML" - http://copia.ogbuji.net/blog/2005/07/21#Use_Amara_',
14:35:42 <Emeka> '"Versa: Pattern Matching (article)" - http://copia.ogbuji.net/blog/2005/07/22#VersaPathBased',
14:35:45 <Emeka> '"via Oleg Tkachenko | Mvp.Xml v1.1 released. Now including\nEXSLT.NET module" - http://www.xsltblog.com/archives/2005/07/via_oleg_tkache_2.html',
14:35:49 <Emeka> ... more (7 lines total)...
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14:57:22 <chimezie> .news http://planetpython.org/rss10.xml
14:57:26 <Emeka> ['"Ned Batchelder: Extremely Loud and Incredibly Close" - http://www.nedbatchelder.com/blog/200507.html#e20050722T065601',
14:57:29 <Emeka> '"Uche and Chimezie Ogbuji: Use Amara to parse/process (almost) any HTML" - http://copia.ogbuji.net/blog/2005/07/21#Use_Amara_',
14:57:33 <Emeka> '"Voidspace: Backtracking.." - http://www.voidspace.org.uk/python/weblog/arch_d7_2005_07_16.shtml#e75',
14:57:36 <Emeka> '"Ned Batchelder: Very small objects" - http://www.nedbatchelder.com/blog/200507.html#e20050721T210515',
14:57:40 <Emeka> '"Spyced: Spyce 2.0.3 released" - http://spyced.blogspot.com/2005/07/spyce-203-released.html']
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15:06:54 <Morbus> Morbus has changed the topic to: <deltab> what the heck is ~/o? antipodean quaver? || <+Monty> I reckon spoons + bedtime stories = dinosaurs. || Windows Vista??! Ahahahahahahaha.
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16:48:48 <Monty> Thank goodness, efqa is back!
16:48:50 <phenny> Be quiet, Monty.
16:48:51 <Monty> Hallo.
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17:00:42 <uche> jcowan vs dragget
17:00:45 <uche> jcowan wins!
17:00:56 <uche> But I kinda expected that :-)
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17:38:01 <Morbus> anyway to turn off bash history temporarily?
17:39:29 <Morbus> ah. unset HISTFILE
17:39:31 <Morbus> unset HISTSAVE
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18:02:05 <Arnia> How good is IE's XSLT support?
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18:02:31 <crschmidt> Arnia: pretty good, in my experience.
18:03:44 <crschmidt> As in, nothing that I've thrown at it has died which hasn't also killed firefox, and it's returned more useful error messages at times.
18:04:18 <Arnia> * Arnia is looking at ways to allow Cuths to manage the JCR website using a wordprocessor
18:04:37 <crschmidt> I wouldn't ever recommend using clientside XSLT for a website though
18:04:50 <Arnia> It is a last resort
18:05:09 <Arnia> If I can't find a decent XSLT processor that runs on Windows XP
18:08:00 <Arnia> Hmm... Xalan-C++ has a Windows build
18:09:49 <uche> * uche laughs hollowly
18:09:59 <uche> Xalan is crap
18:10:11 <uche> And there should be no difficulty finding good XSLT processors for XP
18:10:30 <uche> Saxon, 4XSLT, nxslt and even the .NET tools?
18:10:39 <uche> Perhaps I'm misunderstanding something
18:10:55 <uche> .rate xalan
18:11:02 <phenny> "xalan": 38.1% (0 rocks; 16 rules; 12 sucks; 14 blows)
18:11:08 <uche> .rate saxon
18:11:15 <phenny> "saxon": 94.92% (88 rocks; 435 rules; 18 sucks; 10 blows)
18:11:22 <uche> .rate 4xslt
18:11:29 <phenny> "4xslt": 50.0% (0 rocks; 0 rules; 0 sucks; 0 blows)
18:11:37 <uche> .rate dom
18:11:44 <phenny> "dom": 77.61% (691 rocks; 1,420 rules; 329 sucks; 280 blows)
18:11:48 <uche> .rate nxslt
18:11:54 <phenny> "nxslt": 100.0% (2 rocks; 0 rules; 0 sucks; 0 blows)
18:11:57 <uche> DOM is overrated
18:12:02 <Arnia> I need something that doesn't depend on Java, python or requires any libraries to be placed in admin accounds
18:12:11 <Arnia> accounts
18:12:20 <uche> Doesn't nxslt meet that?
18:12:24 <uche> Not sure, to be honest
18:12:26 <Arnia> I have no control over the computers, nor the software they come with and can only install a minimal amount
18:12:43 <Arnia> (basically the user accounts are very space restricted)
18:13:20 <Arnia> They don't have .Net on
18:13:28 <uche> jeez
18:13:33 <uche> yeah, yer toast
18:14:05 <Arnia> Well, I wish I could control more about the deployment... but I'm tied
18:14:40 <Arnia> This solution (using XSLT from abiword documents run in a batch job to 'publish') is the best I can come up with atm
18:14:43 <Emeka> Emeka (~Emeka@athena.crschmidt.net) has joined #swhack
18:15:19 <uche> WAIT FOR LONGHORN!
18:15:24 <Arnia> Especially since PHP is unreliable and horribly configured on the servers and no one knows HTML
18:15:34 <Arnia> I need a solution by the 18th August
18:15:47 <uche> C'mon Longhorn will be released by then ;-)
18:15:51 <Arnia> (when A Level results come out and the new freshers all look at the website)
18:15:58 <uche> 18th August 2015
18:16:10 <Arnia> The ITS won't deploy longhorn for at least a year after it is released anyway :)
18:16:38 <uche> .rate longhorn
18:16:39 <Arnia> At least the publish operation can be done once
18:16:45 <phenny> "longhorn": 63.62% (696 rocks; 397 rules; 408 sucks; 217 blows)
18:16:50 <uche> wow
18:16:56 <uche> rate inflation
18:17:14 <Arnia> (the website will only be updated at most once a day)
18:17:42 <uche> And I don't suppose a Web service wil work?
18:17:58 <uche> send data to a better stocked machine, then ship back HTML?
18:18:26 <_adam_gfx> if these are XP baox with latest patches installed thy will have .NET on the probably
18:18:42 <Arnia> Nope... everything is firewalled and there are no better stocked machines within the network
18:18:42 <uche> I did think that SP2 included .NET
18:18:54 <uche> But that far exceeds my Windows knowledge
18:19:08 <Arnia> uche: They don't have SP2 I don't think...
18:19:22 <uche> WHy don't they just put you on CP/M?
18:19:35 <Arnia> (enough things break on a network the size of Durham's without adding that into the mix)
18:19:54 <Arnia> The network is designed to allow people to check emails, browse the web and write essays
18:19:55 <_adam_gfx> also you can get away without running a 'real' webserver in .NET, all the infrastructure to host webpages is already in .NET
18:20:04 <JibberJim> er "Vista" surely...
18:20:04 <uche> Gopher, baby
18:20:19 <_adam_gfx> google on Cassini and ASP.NET
18:20:27 <Arnia> It is not designed to allow coding. You're expected to have your own machines
18:20:51 <Arnia> _adam_gfx: Can't do that :) There are huge limits on standard accounts on the network
18:21:05 <Arnia> The JCR account, like most accounts even of departments, is a standard account
18:22:29 <Arnia> A lot of these restrictions are required by the JANET agreement that allows the university onto the backbone
18:25:30 <Arnia> And no, I don't like it :(
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18:39:21 <nsh> root around :-)
18:43:57 <Arnia> Where?
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19:13:17 <Ash> phenny: tell morbus this SecondLife herald is hilariously funny
19:13:19 <phenny> Ash: I'll pass that on when morbus is around.
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19:17:15 <Morbus> yeah :)
19:17:17 <phenny> Morbus: 19:13Z <Ash> tell Morbus this SecondLife herald is hilariously funny
19:17:29 <Morbus> oh, ash, i got a tv working last night.
19:17:30 <Morbus> and this morning.
19:17:35 <Morbus> me and sbp were watching the brain that wouldn't die.
19:17:48 <Morbus> i just gotta get the streaming server setup on my box, then figure out the optimal settings for SL with no lag.
19:17:52 <Ash> oh that's cool!
19:17:57 <Morbus> it may still be on our land.
19:18:06 <Morbus> we had a small tv and a full 10x10 on the stage, sync'd.
19:18:31 <Morbus> i already have the quicktime streaming server software on the box.
19:18:36 <Morbus> just gotta figure out how to use it.
19:18:47 <Morbus> probably do some tests with a few Friday the 13th episodes.
19:18:51 <Morbus> which are abotu 200 megs a piece, i think.
19:20:25 <Ash> where is swhackovia
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19:20:49 <Morbus> tofalar.
19:20:55 <Morbus> i thought you had a landmark for it.
19:20:58 <Morbus> we didn't give youone?
19:21:44 <jcowan> Swhack!
19:22:29 <Ash> don't think so
19:22:42 <Ash> holy crap, i turned up my video settings and everything is hell of slow
19:22:43 <Ash> heh
19:22:43 <Morbus> i can probably find the coords for you, but i can't port you there
19:22:47 <Morbus> .yeah, don't do that.
19:22:50 <Morbus> i tried too ;)
19:22:53 <Morbus> wanna see something relaly funny?
19:22:57 <Morbus> double your draw distance.
19:22:58 <Morbus> ;)
19:23:39 <Ash> oh really
19:24:34 <Morbus> tofalar 82,118
19:24:36 <Morbus> thats where we are.
19:25:06 <Ash> I set my draw distance to 512
19:25:13 <Morbus> lol.
19:25:17 <Morbus> good luck.
19:25:28 <Ash> hahaha
19:25:30 <Ash> so messed up
19:26:10 <Ash> it's very impressive though
19:26:22 <Morbus> yeah.
19:26:24 <Morbus> as long as you don't move.
19:26:25 <Morbus> :)
19:26:38 <Ash> yeah.
19:26:48 <Ash> it'd be nice if they did some sort of precaching of areas
19:27:01 <Morbus> well, they do.
19:27:10 <Morbus> but, things change so much, that it expires insanely quicly
19:27:14 <Morbus> there's an option to increase your cache size.
19:27:18 <Morbus> mine is currently set for 1000 megs, i think.
19:27:52 <Ash> yeah, mine too
19:29:58 <Morbus> Ash: so, did you want to arrange a time to sit down and watch a movie in SL, in prep of an mst3k? and how often do you want to do these things? how seriously, etc.?
19:30:58 <Ash> Yeah, that would be cool
19:31:07 <crschmidt> How big can the TV get?
19:31:28 <Morbus> 10x10.
19:31:35 <Morbus> about the size of our stage width.
19:31:40 <crschmidt> * crschmidt nods
19:31:41 <Morbus> and if it were standing straight up.
19:31:52 <Morbus> of course, the video stretches to the size of the prim.
19:32:02 <Morbus> so, depending on the video itself, the prim size will change.
19:32:48 <bancus> crschmidt, are there any statistics about athena's uptime?
19:32:56 <crschmidt> 15:33:58 up 57 days, 20:41, 9 users, load average: 0.01, 0.04, 0.06
19:33:10 <bancus> how about network uptime?
19:33:26 <crschmidt> It was down for some time when Dennis was causing havoc, but hasn't had any problems other than that
19:33:34 <bancus> Cool.
19:33:36 <Ash> 57 days? feh
19:33:46 <bancus> Ash, it's only been around for three months or so
19:33:47 <crschmidt> Ash: yeah, the colo had put me in a crappy chassis that was overheating
19:33:53 <Ash> heh
19:34:14 <Ash> I had uptime of 460-ish days on my old NeXTstation without a UPS
19:34:16 <Ash> back in the day
19:34:19 <Ash> that was pretty rad
19:34:20 <crschmidt> It crashed 4 times in as many days
19:34:27 <crschmidt> (After 27 days of continuous uptime)
19:34:38 <crschmidt> Once they moved it, it hasn't gone down since
19:34:39 <Morbus> Ash: i had an uptime in the 400's that it hit a kernel bug and recycled back to 1.
19:34:57 <Ash> haha
19:34:59 <Ash> doh
19:35:29 <bancus> crschmidt, I'm looking to host a small commercial (but not e-commerce) site and possibly mail with athena.
19:35:33 <Morbus> we spent an hour trying to determine why the server had rebooted, and how come it didn' tkeep any damn logs.
19:35:34 <Morbus> ;)
19:35:41 <Ash> hahahaha
19:35:43 <Ash> nice
19:35:47 <Morbus> then a few more google hours tracking down the actual bug.
19:35:47 <bancus> also, it seems that the payment reminder for july never went out
19:36:34 <Morbus> phenny, tell DrBacchus great "Why I Hate" slides.
19:36:36 <phenny> Morbus: I'll pass that on when drbacchus is around.
19:37:43 <Morbus> phenny, tell sbp http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/obit_chibitty
19:37:45 <phenny> Morbus: I'll pass that on when sbp is around.
19:37:54 <bancus> crschmidt, anyway, I'm unsure if my present account covers this or, if we'd need to renegotiate
19:38:14 <crschmidt> hm, looks like your July email enver went... wonder why
19:38:22 <crschmidt> I have records of all the other ones. Odd.
19:38:23 <bancus> crschmidt, I just paypayed for july
19:38:31 <bancus> paypalled, rather
19:38:37 <crschmidt> ooh, paypay. I think I'll make a new payment site :)
19:38:40 <bancus> haha
19:39:28 <Morbus> ash, have you seen the world of warcraft coke cmmercial?
19:39:34 <Ash> no
19:39:42 <Morbus> its hilarious.
19:39:48 <Ash> I will have to find it
19:39:52 <Morbus> hold
19:40:10 <Morbus> http://www.tokyo-genki.com/wp-content/images/coke_wow_commercial.mov
19:41:03 <Ash> this SL herald thing is really hilarioius
19:41:08 <Morbus> yeah :)
19:41:09 <Ash> these people have no sense of humor
19:41:41 <Ash> OMG SOMEBODY IS "GRIEFING" ME
19:41:54 <jcowan> phenny: tell sbp to compare http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chupacabra
19:41:56 <phenny> jcowan: I'll pass that on when sbp is around.
19:43:51 <Morbus> jcowan: i have a picture of a purported chupacabra on my home page.
19:44:11 <Morbus> http://disobey.com/images/zine-ape.gif
19:45:35 <jcowan> I had some work to convince my daughter, some years back, that they don't really exist no matter what her friends were saying.
19:45:47 <Morbus> easier or harder than santa?
19:47:21 <jcowan> Harder. Santa doesn't inspire fear (as a rule).
19:47:39 <jcowan> With Santa, she confronted me: "Is it true you guys give me the presents?" Yes, said we.
19:47:42 <jcowan> s/me/us
19:55:56 <jcowan> The truly monstrous gummy-bear (WS): http://homepage.mac.com/vasu42/PhotoAlbum5.html
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20:03:46 <Ash> morbus, that was a hilarious commercial
20:04:00 <Morbus> yah :)
20:04:06 <Morbus> i'm a lvl 50 troll shaman now.
20:05:43 <Ash> heh heh
20:05:56 <Ash> nice
20:06:00 <Ash> I couldn't get into it
20:06:12 <Morbus> i love it, just need more time.
20:07:14 <Morbus> ahaha: http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/rss/mostemailed/*http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/manhole_burn_lawsuit
20:08:20 <crschmidt> .... "Con Ed's "reprehensible and egregious failure and refusal ... to protect the public from this manifestly clear and present danger."
20:08:34 <Morbus> someone reads too much tom clancy
20:08:39 <crschmidt> Um, perhaps I'm slightly confused, but I've never considered a manhole cover to be "clear and present danger"
20:08:54 <crschmidt> I also like how "Israel" is a highlight word
20:08:59 <crschmidt> even though it's used in the wrong sense
20:09:22 <Ash> man, what in the heck is up with my dsl download speed
20:09:25 <Ash> * Ash kills everything
20:09:35 <Morbus> * Morbus is trying to decide to upgrade to psp 2.0 or not, or if he should keep his emu on there that he'snever actually layed.
20:09:37 <Morbus> playued
20:10:53 <Morbus> http://www.boingboing.net/2005/07/21/garbage_pail_kids_mo.html
20:11:05 <Morbus> actually, uh, i downloaded that a few months ago cos i thought it never would come out on dvd.
20:20:08 <bancus> hm
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22:09:28 <edsu> anyone else reading someone_goes_to_town?
22:10:36 <edsu> his writing style seems to have matured quite a bit since down_and_out
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23:59:36 <uche> I'm not making this up: out Windows box just threw up an error dialog saying "err: too many bits"
23:59:41 <uche> s/out/our