00:00:06 <Arnia> bancus: Turned your font-size down?
00:00:22 <Arnia> Hum... fixed width is tricksy
00:00:39 <bancus> Arnia, I haven't tweaked this konq at all
00:00:44 <bancus> I use it for testing only
00:00:46 <bancus> gnome user
00:01:08 <Arnia> bancus: Yes, but I've set up the skin atm to work with Firefox on Gnome's default sizings
00:01:22 <Arnia> bancus: I may need to compromise between browsers and platforms
00:01:25 <crschmidt> Arnia: looks fine in Safari
00:01:38 <crschmidt> although before "Like", looks like a character encoding issue
00:01:39 <Arnia> crschmidt: Danke
00:01:51 <Arnia> Let me check the html
00:02:21 <bancus> yeah, I see that too
00:02:24 <bancus> an A with a caret
00:02:30 <Arnia> Ok, try now
00:02:38 <crschmidt> looks fine
00:02:54 <bancus> A^ missing, research still off
00:03:10 <bancus> oh, and the text of the sidebar extends below the bottom
00:03:19 <bancus> by nine lines or so
00:03:35 <Arnia> bancus: yep, your fonts are bigger than the ones designed against
00:03:39 <bancus> the side bar also doesn't extend to the edge of the white box
00:03:56 <Arnia> Already a noted issue... trying to find out why :)
00:04:13 <Arnia> * Arnia sighs and tries to figure out how to sort out the fonts
00:04:17 <bancus> in my firefox, the research is fine, but the side bar text, the last line thereof, is partially covered
00:04:25 <bancus> I know my font settings in firefox are adjusted
00:04:45 <Arnia> There is another line beneath the research item
00:04:52 <bancus> ah, blog
00:04:55 <Arnia> Yeah
00:04:56 <bancus> yeah, that's fine in firefox too
00:05:01 <bancus> konq doesn't see it
00:05:19 <Arnia> Doesn't see it or is it too big to fit in the box?
00:05:44 <bancus> It doesn't appear, probably because the text overall is too big.
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00:06:45 <Arnia> Ok. The column over-run is caused by me using absolute positioning for the sidebar and so it leaving the flow
00:06:57 <Arnia> I'm looking at other column techniques I can apply with this markup
00:12:33 <bancus> crschmidt, still waiting on the mail
00:37:41 <jcowan> phenny: seen sbp
00:37:43 <phenny> jcowan: I last saw sbp at 2005-07-24 22:18:45 UTC on #d8uv.com
00:37:54 <jcowan> loggy: time
00:37:54 <jcowan> I'm logging. I don't understand 'time', jcowan. Try /msg loggy help
00:38:02 <jcowan> .time
00:38:16 <jcowan> loggy: pointer
00:38:16 <jcowan> See http://swhack.com/logs/2005-07-25#T00-38-16
00:38:36 <jcowan> phenny: tell sbp thanks, I've removed the css for links (never liked that anyway)
00:38:39 <phenny> jcowan: I'll pass that on when sbp is around.
00:46:21 <crschmidt> bancus: treed@surreality.us ?
00:46:28 <bancus> yessir
00:46:43 <bancus> ted.reed@gmail.com would also work, if for some reason that doesn't
00:47:15 <crschmidt> oh, shit
00:47:22 <crschmidt> it went into the local surreality.us
00:47:26 <bancus> heh
00:47:39 <bancus> we could also fix that tonight if you're feeling up to it
00:47:46 <bancus> although I'd have to rediscover my plans for it
00:48:07 <bancus> it involved using the same trick mailman did to run mail through procmail, which puts it into the imap server
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01:00:52 <bancus> anyone know how I can flush my local dns cache?
01:01:10 <bancus> ubuntu linux
01:03:43 <thelsdj> hmmm dunno, might try making a change to resolv.conf
01:03:50 <thelsdj> like adding a bogus entry or something
01:06:11 <bancus> maybe my upstream DNS server is caching it
01:06:22 <crschmidt> dig @dnsserver domainname
01:06:36 <crschmidt> that'll let you know how long it's going to take before it clears out, at least
01:06:59 <crschmidt> crschmidt.net. 3600 IN A 65.110.51.60
01:07:00 <bancus> there we go
01:07:03 <bancus> I just switched servers
01:08:51 <bancus> crschmidt, trying to access the web server, I get Virtually Hosted Sites Here: If you are looking for a site, please try entering its Fully Qualified Domain Name.
01:09:07 <bancus> for both pulsaraviation.com and www.pulsaraviation.com
01:09:29 <crschmidt> ack, right
01:09:44 <crschmidt> fixed
01:09:54 <bancus> there we go
01:09:56 <bancus> up and running, thanks
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01:58:36 <kpreid> [[[
01:59:17 <kpreid> But it seems to me that basically, there are three approaches [to explaining the existence of the universe]: bottom up, top down, and run and hide.
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01:59:27 <kpreid> The bottom up approach starts with all the separate bits of matter in space and time, and tries to paste them together into a whole which will somehow explain itself.
01:59:43 <kpreid> The top down approach starts with the idea of a unified something which somehow explains itself, and tries to get down to the level of observed existence.
01:59:52 <jcowan> Ittywhonk-whonk!
01:59:52 <kpreid> The run and hide approach attacks the question as not being legitimate or else as not being one possible to answer.
02:00:00 <kpreid>
02:00:03 <kpreid> Of course you can totally freak and decide the ontological argument answers the question.
02:00:15 <kpreid> ]]] -- <news:1122193810.934859.291330@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
02:00:40 <jcowan> * jcowan 's arse is on the table.
02:00:57 <kpreid> only because you fell in through the ceiling!
02:01:04 <jcowan> The best way.
02:01:35 <kpreid> * kpreid wonders what jcowan thinks of the quoted
02:02:31 <jcowan> * jcowan goes to look at the log.
02:03:02 <kpreid> Though I pasted it more for amusement value than profundity.
02:04:13 <jcowan> I like the run and hide approach best.
02:05:55 <Arnia> My answer: bollygoggles
02:06:43 <jcowan> My answer to your answer: throatwarblermangrove.
02:07:37 <kpreid> Y.
02:14:38 <Arnia> N.
02:15:12 <kpreid> Type error.
02:15:14 <jcowan> You tollerday donsk? N.
02:15:22 <Arnia> Bam bam bam
02:15:26 <jcowan> You tolkatiff scowegian? Nn.
02:15:33 <jcowan> You spiggoty anglease? Nnnn.
02:15:41 <jcowan> You phonio saxo? Nnnn.
02:15:50 <jcowan> Clear all so! 'Tis a Jute.
02:16:57 <jcowan> Let us excheck a few strong verbs weak oach either yapyazzard avast the plooty creeks.
02:17:10 <kpreid> To me, jute is a variety of twine.
02:17:26 <jcowan> In this case, it means people from Jutland in Denmark.
02:17:45 <jcowan> The questions ask if you speak Danish, Norwegian, English, and Saxon in that order.
02:18:23 <kpreid> * kpreid thinks that was reasonably obvious.
02:19:20 <jcowan> Since England was settled by Angles, Saxons, and Jutes, and the first two groups (plus the two relevant kinds of Norse) have been eliminated, the character must be a Jute by default.
02:25:30 <tav> heh
02:25:58 <crschmidt> Isn't Saxon that XML package... ?
02:26:48 <jcowan> crschmidt: Yarz.
02:27:23 <crschmidt> For the record, the Saxon comment was a joke. I'm aware that it's not *just* a package of some kind for working with XML :)
02:27:56 <Arnia> * Arnia throws a load of abuse in North Welsh to crschmidt
02:28:15 <jcowan> * jcowan whacked on Saxon to make it read HTML too.
02:28:38 <crschmidt> Interesting way of selling their product: Saxon-B is open source and free, while Saxon-SA is commercial.
02:28:44 <crschmidt> Wonder how well that works as a business model.
02:29:00 <jcowan> I was actually referring to Saxon 6, which is the XSLT 1.0 version.
02:29:08 <crschmidt> * crschmidt nods
02:29:29 <crschmidt> hah. The visual difference between the Saxon website (http://saxon.sourceforge.net/) and the Saxonica (company) website http://www.saxonica.com/ is gigantic
02:31:29 <jcowan> saxon.sf.net looks like my home page, only fancier.
02:32:30 <crschmidt> * crschmidt has been paying a lot of attention to the look of various corporate, but relatively basic, websites lately
02:32:57 <jcowan> * jcowan is an HTML 2.0 troglodyte.
02:32:58 <crschmidt> Since as of next week, I'm working on my own rather than for wedu, I need to start getting enough design into my head to get some things done.
02:36:05 <jcowan> If I were really consistent I'd recode my whole website in IBTWSH.
02:36:09 <crschmidt> The mental switch from working as a mostly-developer with a full design team behind me to trying to come up with websites that I can pitch on my own is an interesting switch.
02:36:14 <crschmidt> IBTWSH?
02:36:20 <jcowan> Oh, it's the...
02:36:32 <jcowan> Itsy Bitsy Teeny Weeny Simple Hypertext DTD....
02:36:36 <crschmidt> heh
02:37:21 <jcowan> http://www.ccil.org/~cowan/XML/ibtwsh6.dtd (or .rnc)
02:37:44 <crschmidt> I don't know how to read either, so it doesnt' do me any good, although I suppose it's good enough FTL
02:38:45 <jcowan> It's a subset of XHTML Basic.
02:38:47 <crschmidt> * crschmidt is mostly stressed right now about whether freelance website design/development work will be enough to pay the rent.
02:39:53 <BeHappy_> you can pay your rent by doing websites?
02:39:56 <BeHappy_> lucky guy
02:40:03 <crschmidt> Well, that's what I aim to find out.
02:40:13 <crschmidt> It's what I do currently, but not working on my own.
02:40:24 <BeHappy_> gotcha
02:40:40 <crschmidt> However, given the fact that lately I've been forced to work somewhere in the 10-14 hours a day range, I'm hoping that I can find clients to do the same, only at a slightly better rate to me.
02:40:44 <BeHappy_> last summer i tried to do some programming stuff.. well.. php, but this iss the market here
02:41:07 <BeHappy_> i had barely money to buy me some beer :P
02:41:44 <BeHappy_> :D
02:47:28 <crschmidt> In any case, now that I'm living in Boston, it seems like there is a fair amount of oppourtunity to reach out to local companies and offer web services work.
02:48:46 <crschmidt> Web services in terms of "Creating websites", not "designing restful apis" :)
02:50:14 <jcowan> Yeah, be careful of that expression. "Web Services is a Yang worship word. You will not speak it."
02:50:20 <crschmidt> heh, heh
02:50:24 <crschmidt> (blammo, blammo)
02:50:34 <jcowan> * jcowan sees the ESE link is working fine.
02:51:08 <crschmidt> Luckily, I've stumbled into a client through local LUG contacts which seems as if it will be a good project to get me some breathing room to start with.
02:52:49 <Arnia> * Arnia hugs REST
02:54:01 <crschmidt> hm. that's probably too long.
02:54:35 <jessica> indeed.
02:57:18 <crschmidt> So, if anyone has any websites which need doing and would be willing to work with a freelance web developer/designer, please feel free to come to me! :)
03:06:21 <Arnia> crschmidt: Have you built a portfolio
03:06:35 <crschmidt> Arnia: http://crschmidt.net/formal/portfolio/
03:07:24 <Arnia> crschmidt: Ok, are you interested in the design side or the technical side more?
03:08:20 <BeHappy_> YAY
03:08:33 <crschmidt> Arnia: technical
03:08:35 <BeHappy_> * BeHappy_ one step forward to image file upload
03:09:11 <Arnia> crschmidt: Because I'm looking for more designery style work and I don't want to tread on your toes :)
03:09:49 <GabeW> where are you?
03:10:14 <crschmidt> Cambridge
03:10:34 <crschmidt> Arnia: It's not like there aren'ta million people out there doing the same thing, so I wouldn't worry about it too much ;)
03:10:42 <crschmidt> GabeW: The Boston one, not the UK one
03:10:52 <GabeW> woops
03:10:53 <GabeW> sorry
03:10:56 <GabeW> wrong channel ;-)
03:10:57 <jcowan> Ittywhonk!
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03:11:03 <crschmidt> Oh, heh
03:11:19 <kpreid> any uncode/charset types want to join #unicode? someone is in need of basic advice and I'm planning to /quit shortly
03:11:19 <Arnia> blammo
03:11:36 <GabeW> but nontheless, if there is something i hear of
03:11:54 <Arnia> crschmidt: Yeah, but the millions aren't here in this channel are they ;)
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04:10:12 <AaronSw> the highly competitive #swhack web design market
04:10:21 <AaronSw> is about to get a little bit more highly competitive
04:10:42 <AaronSw> coming soon to fox: web designer showdown 5
04:10:50 <AaronSw> we take two best friends
04:10:55 <AaronSw> and make them chase after the same three customers
04:10:58 <AaronSw> for four years
04:11:06 <AaronSw> will their friendship survive?
04:11:08 <AaronSw> will our audience?
04:11:14 <AaronSw> only the nielsen company knows for sure
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04:11:20 <AaronSw> tune in! fridays at 9
04:11:55 <AaronSw> * AaronSw goes back to reading attacks on rat choice
04:11:57 <GabeW> snooze
04:14:03 <AaronSw> hey man, according to Simon 1955 it totally satifices
04:15:08 <GabeW> huh?
04:16:16 <AaronSw> it's just like val greenberg sez: transgressing disciplinary boundaries is a subversive undertaking violating the sanctuaries of seeing
04:16:37 <GabeW> ok
04:16:53 <jcowan> * jcowan has never seen a sanctuary of seeing.
04:17:36 <AaronSw> http://www.edwardtufte.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=0001s7&topic_id=1&topic=Ask+E%2eT%2e
04:20:36 <AaronSw> Tufte recommended I read this book attacking the rational choice paradigm
04:21:54 <AaronSw> wow, there's rational choice Marxism
04:23:37 <AaronSw> wow, here's a great argument: everyone must vote on the basis of the same logic, because otherwise the theory would be ugly
04:23:43 <AaronSw> these people must think their physicists or something
04:23:52 <AaronSw> s/their/they're/
04:25:49 <crschmidt> * crschmidt thought jcowan had ittywhonked
04:26:06 <jcowan> I've been bouncing in and out.
04:26:33 <jessica> * jessica pokes head in.
04:26:37 <jessica> hey, Aaron, sorry about today.
04:27:01 <jessica> Chris really only told me about the whole oh-Aaron's-coming-over as I had already prepped the kids and our roomie to go with us -- you were invited. :)
04:27:04 <AaronSw> don't worry about it
04:28:11 <crschmidt> Bah, I mentioned that he had emailed me the night before :p
04:28:20 <crschmidt> You just don't pay attention!
04:28:25 <jessica> Probably not.
04:28:27 <crschmidt> * crschmidt whimpers in fake tears.
04:28:33 <jessica> Very fake, might I add.
04:28:44 <AaronSw> sqeeze bottle off screen
04:29:20 <jessica> Like those bad horror movies where the King Kong-alike has the makeup person's hand darting in to apply more fake fur as it falls off.
04:32:07 <jcowan> Ittywhonk for good this time.
04:32:12 <crschmidt> Night, jc
04:32:12 <jcowan> er, that is, for the night.
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04:32:19 <AaronSw> AaronSw has changed the topic to: violating sanctuaries of seeing since second millenium's stop
04:37:04 <BeHappy_> with redland i can do something like node = RDF.Node(RDF.Uri("namespace:whatever")) ?
04:37:36 <BeHappy_> or i should care manually about the namespace substitution?
04:38:21 <crschmidt> You can't do that, no
04:38:43 <BeHappy_> ockay
04:38:59 <crschmidt> You can do foaf = RDF.NS("http://xmlns.com/foaf/0.1/"); node = foaf.name
04:39:04 <crschmidt> (or something like that)
04:39:07 <BeHappy_> uhm..
04:39:13 <BeHappy_> okay
04:39:21 <BeHappy_> print RDF.NS.__doc__ :)
04:39:49 <crschmidt> [[[
04:39:49 <crschmidt> | nspace = RDF.NS("http://example.com/foo")
04:39:49 <crschmidt> |
04:39:49 <crschmidt> | # creates an RDF Node for http://example.com/foo#blah
04:39:49 <crschmidt> | node1 = nspace.blah
04:39:52 <crschmidt> ]]]
04:40:29 <BeHappy_> cool
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06:28:08 <Zain> Hm. So, who's seeing all these two-character names in these AIM chats?
06:28:10 <Zain> It's upsetting me.
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06:39:21 <uche> .cp arrow
06:39:24 <phenny> 02C2: MODIFIER LETTER LEFT ARROWHEAD (˂)
06:39:27 <phenny> 02C3: MODIFIER LETTER RIGHT ARROWHEAD (˃)
06:39:30 <phenny> 02C4: MODIFIER LETTER UP ARROWHEAD (˄) [...]
06:41:42 <uche> .cp bullet
06:41:46 <phenny> 2022: BULLET (•)
06:41:49 <phenny> 2023: TRIANGULAR BULLET (‣)
06:41:50 <uche> .cp dagger
06:41:52 <phenny> 2043: HYPHEN BULLET (⁃) [...]
06:41:53 <phenny> 2020: DAGGER (†)
06:41:56 <phenny> 2021: DOUBLE DAGGER (‡)
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07:45:39 <Monty> howdy, tav_
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10:29:43 <Monty> hey verbosus
10:30:01 <verbosus> Monty! Love me do!
10:30:04 <Monty> http://www.identityblog.com/stories/2004/12/09/thelaws.html
10:30:08 <verbosus> You know I love you.
10:30:16 <verbosus> let’s see what Monty recommends me
10:30:17 <Monty> ?
10:30:26 <verbosus> Monty, WTF was that?
10:30:28 <Monty> Today, breath was expansive weirdo ;)
10:30:45 <verbosus> omigod: *he* calls *me* a weirdo.
10:31:15 <xower> The Monty Mirror is a Harsh Lesson.
10:31:19 <Monty> RandWord speaketh: digital warm fences castrates Australian exothermic orgy :P
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11:22:16 <BeHappy_> wow
11:22:44 <BeHappy_> just committed the image upload form with rdf storage
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11:43:19 <jcowan> Itty-(yawn)-whonk!
11:43:42 <eaon> Just woke up?
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11:44:07 <jcowan> Well, about 20 min ago. Even I can't start typing without a certain period of Doing Things.
11:44:35 <Arnia> A poster design to look at: http://www.dur.ac.uk/j.r.c.geldart/poster.png (very large file)
11:45:23 <crschmidt> Content-Length: 1716383
11:45:29 <crschmidt> I think I won't be opening that one.
11:46:01 <Arnia> It is A4 300dpi
11:47:41 <jcowan> Funny, I had Casanova pegged about 50-100 years before his actual lifespan. Go figure.
11:47:52 <jcowan> (1725-1798)
11:49:05 <Arnia> Well, I thought it would be a nice theme for a ball. Gives a nice amount of freedom of dress, entertainments and decoration without too much freedom
11:52:08 <kandinski> hey all
11:52:12 <kandinski> I am in London!
11:52:42 <kandinski> funy indeed
11:52:46 <crschmidt> hi kandinski, i am not
11:52:50 <kandinski> I had him almost 200 years earlier
11:53:12 <JibberJim> Hey kandinski!
11:53:25 <kandinski> Jim, when are you going to BCN?
11:53:29 <JibberJim> tomorrow
11:53:30 <jcowan> Hands up every one who is not in London.
11:53:31 <kandinski> I haven't forgotten about your guide
11:53:42 <kandinski> oh, will write you something this afternoon then
11:53:45 <jcowan> * jcowan raises his hand.
11:53:50 <crschmidt> * crschmidt raises his hand
11:54:02 <Arnia> * Arnia raises his hand
11:54:02 <kandinski> Boadas is the cocktail thing near the start of the Ramblas (close to Plaza de Catalunya)
11:54:05 <JibberJim> well I'm sure I'll be digging up wifi when I'm there kandinski...
11:54:07 <Arnia> I'm 300 miles north
11:54:16 <kandinski> the CCCB and the MACBA are around the corner from there
11:54:19 <jcowan> * jcowan reads a bit of Casanova's memoirs. Boy, does he whine.
11:54:26 <kandinski> big-ass museum isntitutions
11:54:48 <kandinski> and the Barri Gòtic is down the Ramblas on the left hand side
11:55:00 <kandinski> will find you the name of the nice restaurant by tonight, good?
11:55:07 <JibberJim> excellent!
11:57:50 <kandinski> the Nice Restaurant is by the Barri Gótic too
11:57:57 <kandinski> I love that aarea
11:58:05 <kandinski> I wanted to buy a house there with a friend
11:58:13 <kandinski> ok, lunchtime alreay
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12:02:03 <jcowan> [[[
12:02:03 <jcowan> No doubt the widow was taken with the gigantic form and the beautiful title of d'Aragon, for Dragon (as his name really was) was devoid of wit and manners, and his legs, which I suppose he kept well covered, bore disgusting marks of the libertine life he had led.
12:02:05 <jcowan> ]]]
12:02:08 <jcowan> He's a fine one to talk.
12:02:27 <Arnia> What were his legs like?
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12:07:57 <jcowan> No, I was talking about leading a libertine life.
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12:10:24 <eaon> .g Zeltner
12:10:27 <phenny> Zeltner: http://niij.org/
12:10:29 <eaon> Weee
12:20:34 <eaon> Later
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12:25:34 <crschmidt> I'm hit 31 on "schmidt"
12:25:50 <crschmidt> Which I would say isn't too bad, considering
12:25:53 <crschmidt> .gc schmidt
12:25:56 <phenny> schmidt: 15,400,000
12:26:01 <crschmidt> .gc zeltner
12:26:03 <phenny> zeltner: 57,500
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12:28:20 <jcowan> * jcowan begins Harry Potter #5
12:30:06 <Arnia> .g Geldart
12:30:09 <phenny> Geldart: http://www.geldartgallery.com/
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12:30:16 <Arnia> .g Arnia
12:30:19 <phenny> Arnia: http://www.arnia.at/
12:30:21 <Arnia> boo
12:30:29 <Arnia> * Arnia used to be the only Geldart :(
12:30:37 <Arnia> * Arnia has been on the internet too long
12:31:56 <jcowan> .g "John Cowan"
12:31:59 <phenny> "John Cowan": http://www.johncowan.com/
12:32:04 <jcowan> Yeah, yeah, yeah, him again.
12:32:08 <jcowan> .g "John Woldemar Cowan"
12:32:11 <phenny> "John Woldemar Cowan": http://www.digitalkingdom.org/www.lojban.org/publications/cll.html
12:32:16 <jcowan> Thuryago.
12:32:27 <Arnia> .g Joe Geldart
12:32:30 <phenny> Joe Geldart: http://www.netalleynetworks.com/community/jgeldart
12:32:38 <crschmidt> .g crschmidt
12:32:39 <Arnia> .g There and Back Again
12:32:40 <crschmidt> .g Christopher Schmidt
12:32:40 <phenny> crschmidt: http://crschmidt.net/
12:32:43 <phenny> There and Back Again: http://www.thereandbackagain.net/
12:32:43 <crschmidt> .g Chris Schmidt
12:32:45 <phenny> Christopher Schmidt: http://crschmidt.net/
12:32:46 <Arnia> bah
12:32:46 <crschmidt> (the last one is a shame)
12:32:47 <phenny> Chris Schmidt: http://crschmidt.net/
12:32:50 <crschmidt> oh, wow
12:32:55 <crschmidt> crschmidt.net moved up
12:33:07 <crschmidt> For a long time, it was http://rkschmidt.tripod.com/chris.htm
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12:33:52 <xower> .g "Avada Kedavra to you too!"
12:33:55 <phenny> "Avada Kedavra to you too!": http://www.infrae.com/timbray
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12:35:02 <jcowan> Who are these people and why are they cloning Ongoing?
12:35:15 <xower> * xower was wondering the same thing...
12:35:44 <jcowan> * jcowan makes sure xower is really xover and not some third-rate Polish clone
12:35:53 <Arnia> I like Infrae
12:36:19 <Arnia> Quite a large company in France...
12:37:41 <jcowan> Now WTF would they appear before Ongoing itself, considering that the page rank of their page is 0 and that of Ongoing is a lofty 7?
12:38:15 <jcowan> * jcowan curses unforgivably.
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12:40:36 <jcowan> * jcowan notes that Infrae is not only also cloning Jon Udell's blog, they are misspelling his name!
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12:41:15 <jcowan> * jcowan constantly gets Reuters mail for Jon Cowan, though we have only met once.
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13:01:11 <jsled> @ping
13:01:12 <supybot> pong
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13:03:19 <Monty> Speak of the devil, it's ef!
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13:23:52 <supybot> pong
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13:26:33 <uche> Infrae is a Zope outfit
13:26:42 <uche> Martijn Faasen & co
13:26:51 <uche> No idea why they're cloning Weblogs
13:27:05 <Arnia> Yes... producers of the competitor to Plone ;)
13:27:10 <uche> Everitt, Tim Bray, Dare, etc...
13:27:18 <Arnia> * Arnia grumbles good naturedly ;)
13:28:58 <uche> Must be practicing pimps looking for Weblogger hoes
13:29:05 <uche> And it looks like Google got got
13:31:57 <crschmidt> "I came accross this website today searching for any informations. I did not find them, but your site was very interesting.
13:32:00 <crschmidt> "
13:32:45 <crschmidt> I apparently got spammed rather badly at one point. Thankfully, all comments to my weblog are moderated. unfortunately, that means I have 240 comments to look through for content.
13:32:50 <jcowan> I've sent Tim a heads-up.
13:32:59 <jcowan> Nobody's spammed me yet.
13:33:25 <uche> spammers suck
13:33:31 <uche> I had to deploy countermeasures
13:33:37 <uche> working well, so far
13:33:43 <Arnia> Countermeasures?
13:34:10 <crschmidt> You know, Chaff, jet engines, the typical
13:34:11 <uche> Fancy word for a whitelist+moderation queue
13:34:17 <uche> chaff is the best, though
13:34:27 <jcowan> Cheapest and therefore best.
13:34:30 <uche> Especially if you can deploy it so it bonks a flight of geese
13:34:54 <uche> Doesn't do much for AAMRAAMS, though
13:35:19 <jcowan> * jcowan just blogged on why the GNU GPL is not Debian-free.
13:35:53 <uche> AMRAAM, that is
13:42:04 <jcowan> .g POLA
13:42:07 <phenny> POLA: http://www.pola.com/
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13:51:20 <Monty> it's deusx!
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13:51:42 <jcowan> .acronym pola
13:53:56 <jcowan> @acronym pola
13:54:15 <supybot> jcowan: pola could be Pathologies Oculaires Liees a l'Age (French), or Port of Los Angeles, or Principle of Least Astonishment (FreeBSD)
13:54:28 <jcowan> Thanks, supybot.
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13:58:13 <uche> .acronym uncle
13:58:22 <sbp> jcowan: heard of Taiyi Sheng Shui?
13:58:25 <uche> @acronym uncle
13:58:39 <sbp> I'm looking for an original, translation, or, preferably, linked translation
13:58:52 <supybot> uche: Error: timed out
13:59:36 <sbp> (it's a verse from the Guodian Laozi that may, or may not, be an extra lost verse of the Tao Te Ching that doesn't seem to be published very often)
13:59:51 <sbp> (the Guodian Laozi being the currently oldest known copy of the TTC)
14:01:36 <jcowan> uche: United Network Command for Law Enforcement
14:01:46 <jcowan> sbp: I have not heard of it.
14:01:55 <jcowan> verse as in line, or as in poem?
14:02:02 <sbp> apparently http://bamboo.lib.cuhk.edu.hk/ has it but it may as well not do
14:02:21 <sbp> verse as in... verse. the TTC usually is said to contain 81
14:03:08 <sbp> Amazon seems to have a book that might contain it too, but not cheap
14:03:15 <sbp> oh! also, are you fine with "fwhack"?
14:03:25 <sbp> oh nevermind
14:03:33 <sbp> look before you swhack. just seen my email
14:03:53 <sbp> this is awesome, by the way: http://afpc.asso.fr/wengu/wg/wengu.php?l=Daodejing&no=1
14:03:57 <sbp> the zhongwen site is down
14:04:31 <uche> Sounds like the sort of thing Chime would have a nugget on
14:04:48 <uche> But he's currently chilling in ENgland (or is it Portugal by now?)
14:05:56 <sbp> oh, he's over hereish?
14:05:59 <uche> jcowan, cool
14:06:08 <uche> And SMERSH? ;-)
14:06:28 <uche> sbp, yes. Arrived LGW Saturday
14:06:43 <uche> Not sure his full plans, though
14:07:10 <uche> I know he's supposed to be hitting the pub with James Governor in London, or something like that
14:07:15 <jcowan> uche: not quite an acronym
14:07:39 <uche> jcowan, really? I've always pronounced it
14:07:44 <uche> "smersh"
14:07:52 <jcowan> short for SMERt' SHpionam (СМЕРть Шпионам), or "Death to Spies" (Wikipedia)
14:08:05 <uche> Oh?
14:08:09 <uche> Cool
14:08:12 <uche> That's too funny
14:08:19 <crschmidt> * crschmidt knew that!
14:08:24 <crschmidt> (From reading James Bond)
14:08:37 <uche> * uche read JB in high school
14:08:39 <jcowan> The real SMERSH was terminated after 1946; the spies in question were German ones.
14:08:48 <uche> So I probably knew, but would require hypnosis to recall
14:09:09 <jessica> The big question there is, "East or West?"
14:09:20 <jcowan> Huh?
14:09:22 <uche> N'import ou, back then
14:09:28 <jcowan> Yeah.
14:09:53 <uche> E and W Germany is a post WWII construct
14:10:14 <jcowan> * jcowan just saw broadcasts of "From Russia With Love" (holds up) and "Goldfinger" (doesn't; boring)
14:11:06 <uche> The ones with Blofeld hold up best, I think
14:11:12 <jessica> I understand that, but if the spies in question were German ones, which country were they spying for?
14:11:13 <uche> EVen OHMSS
14:11:18 <jessica> JB was based on post-WWII espionage.
14:11:38 <uche> John was talking about the real SMERSH
14:11:41 <uche> Not the one in JB
14:11:54 <jcowan> In 1968, quoth Wikipedia, the Russians hit back with a spy novel of their own called "The Zakhov Mission" by Andrei Guliashki, in which a communist hero finally and forcefully defeats 007.
14:11:56 <jessica> Ah, I see, I thought he was . . . never mind. :)
14:11:57 <uche> So we have a very firm line between reality and romance :-)
14:12:28 <jcowan> But Fleming does use the same etymology for his SMERSH, so the answer is good in both domains.
14:13:24 <jcowan> * jcowan remembers the relevant passage from FRWL (the book) from his high-school years.
14:13:25 <uche> Sounds like the 80s writers who looked to merge the worlds of JB and Fu Manchu
14:13:32 <jcowan> Wow.
14:13:41 <uche> Resulting in all sorts of truly terrible crap that I occasionally fell victim to
14:14:09 <uche> Cheap, awful pulp was plentiful in high school in Nigeria
14:14:14 <jcowan> I love crossover fanfic, though much of it falls down badly in execution.
14:14:21 <uche> Pulp was our TV within the compound, where TV was not allowed
14:14:40 <jcowan> My two favorites being West Wing x Buffy, and Harry Potter x Miles Vorkosigan.
14:14:50 <uche> Wow
14:15:00 <uche> post 90s editions
14:16:11 <jcowan> I'm not even much of a Buffy fan, but "Donna the Vampire Slayer" is truly great fanfic.
14:16:54 <jcowan> uche: the age of mass literacy is also the age of pulp.
14:17:38 <Arnia> Yay slash
14:18:24 <kandinski> cp PI
14:18:26 <kandinski> .cp pi
14:18:30 <phenny> 0041: LATIN CAPITAL LETTER A (A)
14:18:33 <phenny> 0042: LATIN CAPITAL LETTER B (B)
14:18:36 <phenny> 0043: LATIN CAPITAL LETTER C (C) [...]
14:20:22 <jcowan> .cp greek pi
14:20:25 <phenny> 03D6: GREEK PI SYMBOL (ϖ)
14:20:30 <jcowan> Arrgh, wrong one
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14:20:38 <jcowan> Ho, Morbus!
14:20:44 <sbp> Morbus!
14:20:55 <jcowan> Quick, time for an ESE meeting.
14:21:16 <sbp> *gzgzgnnnggzngzgzoooooooombmbbmmbmbbooobbmmmmmmmgzgzngzngzngnzngz*
14:21:17 <Morbus> eh oh.
14:21:20 <phenny> Morbus: 23 Jul 06:34Z <sbp> tell Morbus hehe: '"I wonder what the hell Hitler thought when he heard those strange voices," he once told a gathering.'
14:21:53 <uche> What the heil?
14:21:55 <kandinski> sbp, hnow do I get character "pi"
14:22:03 <sbp> how do you "get" it?
14:22:06 <jcowan> .cp greek small letter pi
14:22:08 <sbp> you want the codepoint for it?
14:22:09 <phenny> 03C0: GREEK SMALL LETTER PI (π)
14:22:15 <kandinski> thanks, jcowan
14:22:19 <kandinski> I am very slow today
14:22:30 <jcowan> sbp: methinks that .cp should "and" its arguments rather than concatenating them.
14:22:31 <uche> .cp aleph
14:22:33 <kandinski> not like other days, when I am merely incoherent
14:22:34 <phenny> Sorry, no results found for 'aleph'.
14:22:40 <jcowan> .cp alef
14:22:43 <phenny> 05D0: HEBREW LETTER ALEF (א)
14:22:45 <uche> a ha
14:22:46 <phenny> 0622: ARABIC LETTER ALEF WITH MADDA ABOVE (آ)
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14:22:49 <phenny> 0623: ARABIC LETTER ALEF WITH HAMZA ABOVE (أ) [...]
14:22:57 <sbp> jcowan: at the moment it just uses them as a regexp
14:23:01 <jcowan> Right.
14:23:07 <sbp> hmm, I think it may even barf if you give it something evil
14:23:07 <uche> sanu
14:23:08 <DrBacchus> WOREWOWOROORWROR
14:23:15 <jcowan> .cp greek.*pi
14:23:18 <sbp> .cp ([(^$[([^
14:23:18 <phenny> 0386: GREEK CAPITAL LETTER ALPHA WITH TONOS (Ά)
14:23:19 <uche> (me doesn't know much Arabic, so says "thanks" in Hausa)
14:23:20 <phenny> '([(^$[([^' is not a valid regexp.
14:23:21 <phenny> 0388: GREEK CAPITAL LETTER EPSILON WITH TONOS (Έ)
14:23:24 <phenny> 0389: GREEK CAPITAL LETTER ETA WITH TONOS (Ή) [...]
14:23:27 <kandinski> ▒@
14:23:28 <uche> Sanu de aike
14:23:33 <kandinski> whas that a "pi"?
14:23:34 <sbp> .cp ([(^$[([^?
14:23:37 <phenny> '([(^$[([^?' is not a valid regexp.
14:23:38 <DrBacchus> swhack movie night!
14:23:40 <sbp> there
14:23:40 <Morbus> ah, good.
14:23:42 <Morbus> hey DrB.
14:23:45 <jcowan> .cp greek.*\wpi\w
14:23:47 <uche> GROWEEOWEEOWEE
14:23:48 <phenny> 0386: GREEK CAPITAL LETTER ALPHA WITH TONOS (Ά)
14:23:51 <phenny> 0388: GREEK CAPITAL LETTER EPSILON WITH TONOS (Έ)
14:23:54 <phenny> 0389: GREEK CAPITAL LETTER ETA WITH TONOS (Ή) [...]
14:24:02 <DrBacchus> phenny: Knock it off, weirdo.
14:24:07 <jcowan> sbp: why doesn't \w work?
14:24:17 <sbp> perhaps you're thinking of \b?
14:24:20 <DrBacchus> Morbus: Did you catch my slashdotting?
14:24:20 <jcowan> Ah.
14:24:28 <sbp> \w is a word character, a-z0-9 etc.
14:24:30 <jcowan> .cp greek.*\bpi\b
14:24:33 <phenny> 03A0: GREEK CAPITAL LETTER PI (Π)
14:24:36 <phenny> 03C0: GREEK SMALL LETTER PI (π)
14:24:38 <Morbus> DrBacchus: I don't believe so.]
14:24:39 <phenny> 03D6: GREEK PI SYMBOL (ϖ) [...]
14:24:42 <Morbus> I don't read the news over the weekend.
14:24:43 <jcowan> Ah, goody.
14:24:58 <sbp> b for boundary, I suppose
14:25:00 <uche> Morbus, goo dthing you didn't :-(
14:25:02 <DrBacchus> Morbus: http://apache.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/07/22/2159253
14:25:05 <jcowan> I think so.
14:25:11 <Morbus> uche: why?
14:25:17 <DrBacchus> Morbus: It was an insane amount of fun.
14:25:17 <uche> The soundtrack for this Weekend: Oxide and Neutrino's "Shoot to kill"
14:25:24 <Morbus> aaah!
14:25:24 <sbp> DrBacchus: oh yeah, that was awesome
14:25:30 <Morbus> yeah, i really liked that pres.
14:25:31 <sbp> guess you got my phenny comments on that
14:25:32 <Morbus> well, the slides, at least.
14:26:12 <DrBacchus> PONY!
14:26:15 <Morbus> :D
14:27:22 <Morbus> DrBacchus likes our tv.
14:27:30 <Morbus> sbp: i got the freeview 1.2 script this weekend too.
14:27:38 <Morbus> the current tv is running 1.0 only.
14:27:47 <Morbus> i dunno what the difference is, so don't ask.
14:27:50 <Morbus> :)
14:28:35 <sbp> oho, cool
14:28:48 <Morbus> haven't put it in yet.
14:28:57 <Morbus> i try not to work on the weekend ;0
14:29:06 <DrBacchus> s/on the weekend//
14:29:27 <Arnia> * Arnia has a Divine Comedy song spinning around his head
14:30:06 <DrBacchus> I wasn't aware that Dante wrote songs.
14:30:18 <Morbus> sbp: anything new happening in sl?
14:30:54 <Morbus> bear: ping.
14:32:15 <jcowan> The presentation is good, but it's mis-titled.
14:32:22 <jcowan> Should be "I Hate Apache Config Language"
14:33:11 <jcowan> The Unix Way (tm) would be to write one or both of apache-config-lint and simpleconf2apacheconf
14:33:18 <Arnia> DrBacchus: :p
14:33:25 <sbp> Morbus: only been on for about literally 30 seconds todauy
14:33:34 <sbp> won a game of tringo with 300 the other day
14:33:45 <sbp> speed tringo, too, and a pot of L$2300ish
14:33:46 <Morbus> i got 2000 the other day
14:33:59 <sbp> 2000 L?
14:34:21 <sbp> basically nobody ever seems to be on it except d8uv
14:34:27 <sbp> so not much point going on, most of the time
14:34:37 <d8uv> YEah. I suck.
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14:34:55 <sbp> I mean, no point going on when you're not around
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14:35:04 <sbp> I'm almost always on when you are, if I'm awake
14:35:26 <crschmidt> I may be on more starting next week
14:39:19 <jcowan> Ittywhonk!
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15:17:36 <xover> .g Ittywhonk!
15:17:38 <phenny> Ittywhonk!: http://jibbering.com/svglogs/swhack/2005-05-07.html
15:17:40 <phenny> xover: 24 Jul 13:51Z <AaronSw> tell xover OMG! i, like, you're, like that famous guy, right? the one who worked on the thingy that everybody uses... the, like, valleyator or something?
15:17:52 <xover> .gc Ittywhonk!
15:17:52 <crschmidt> .g whonkitty
15:17:55 <phenny> Ittywhonk!: 153
15:17:57 <phenny> whonkitty: http://swhack.com/logs/2005-06-27
15:19:05 <xover> phenny: tell AaronSw Sorry, you must have me confused with someone else.
15:19:08 <phenny> xover: I'll pass that on when aaronsw is around.
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16:14:03 <thelsdj> * thelsdj yawns
16:15:20 <verbosus> * verbosus barfs
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16:26:51 <Ash> * Ash barfs
16:27:00 <Arnia> * Arnia nukes
16:35:20 <crschmidt> * crschmidt jukes
16:35:34 <DrB_Lunch> * DrB_Lunch dukes
16:37:03 <sbp> * sbp the Kwik-E-Mart is real... d'oh!
16:37:57 <DrB_Lunch> He lied to us in song! I hate it when that happens!
16:38:08 <sbp> :-)
16:38:14 <thelsdj> hey sbp!
16:38:20 <sbp> yo thelsdj!
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16:41:27 <thelsdj> sbp: i'm hoping some of you guys are willing to sign up for premium account in next 2 days if you are still interested in going on with swhacktovia, i got my rebill coming up on the 28th
16:41:38 <DrB_Lunch> DrB_Lunch is now known as DrBacchus
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16:42:45 <thelsdj> or paypal me a few bucks if thats better
16:42:59 <crschmidt> what's your paypal email?
16:43:50 <tav> tav has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
16:45:27 <crschmidt> sent $10
16:45:38 <thelsdj> cool, thanks
16:57:08 <sbp> ah yeah. I think Morbus is the only one looking likely to upgade to premium
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16:58:52 <sbp> I'll paypal you something presently
17:00:29 <Ash> paypail
17:02:01 <Arnia> * Arnia wonders about putting a wish-list on his website
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17:16:43 <Monty> hey Zain
17:17:32 <DrBacchus> Zain: Don't listen to Monty. He's a freak.
17:17:40 <Monty> Arrgh, wrong one weekend. There's power in with the codepoint for negotiation, distributed manner but i just about their page formatted Thu Jun 2 boys
17:17:55 <Zain> Well then.
17:18:14 <Arnia> * Arnia boings
17:19:51 <Zain> * Zain collapses.
17:21:45 <Arnia> * Arnia feels like the Cathedral bell
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17:23:00 <Arnia> * Arnia boings again
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17:54:45 <Monty> But what does eaon have to do with the price of fish?
17:54:47 <phenny> Hush there, Monty.
17:54:49 <Monty> fiddlesticks 1. a simple is bot
17:56:14 <eaon> .gc "a URI"
17:56:17 <phenny> "a URI": 576,000
17:56:18 <eaon> .gc "an URI"
17:56:21 <phenny> "an URI": 45,900
17:59:03 <sbp> .gc "a URL"
17:59:05 <sbp> .gc "an URL"
17:59:06 <phenny> "a URL": 6,680,000
17:59:06 <phenny> "an URL": 822,000
17:59:33 <Morbus> I use a URL.
17:59:41 <eaon> Makes sense
18:00:15 <eaon> Dinner time, later
18:00:26 <thelsdj> http://thelsdj.org/foo012.png
18:00:47 <thelsdj> love child of ayn rand and l ron hubbard
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18:04:15 <thelsdj> Morbus: you planning on getting premium SL account?
18:04:39 <Morbus> dunno yet.
18:04:44 <Morbus> i have to actually start doing something with it.
18:04:48 <Morbus> and see if the tehatre idea will work.
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18:04:55 <Morbus> if so, yeah, i've been thinking of buying some of the surrounding land.
18:06:21 <Morbus> for the group, of course.
18:06:49 <thelsdj> heh
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18:52:08 <eaon> .pc 卐
18:52:11 <phenny> Sorry, no results found for '^5350'.
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18:52:17 <eaon> Huhm.
18:52:46 <sbp> hi DavidBeckemeyer, welcome to Swhack
18:52:57 <sbp> this is a publically logged channel
18:53:01 <sbp> more info at swhack.com
18:53:06 <Morbus> and your political career is already ruined.
18:53:21 <sbp> yeah
18:53:35 <sbp> by association with Morbus, and crschmidt
18:53:45 <DrBacchus> AND ME ME ME ME ME ME!!!!
18:53:48 <eaon> Aww and I thought it's the swastikas fault :(
18:54:11 <DrBacchus> Don't mention the war!
18:55:31 <sbp> <Fawlty> I mentioned it once, but I think I got away with it
18:57:15 <sbp> * sbp wonders if this is the very same David Beckemeyer who pursues "various research initiatives and provide[s] strategic advisory to executive management"
18:57:33 <sbp> I didn't know advisory was a mass noun now
18:57:46 <sbp> gotta get me some of that. nice plate of advisory
18:59:02 <sbp> * sbp skims http://www.toyz.org/mrblog/
18:59:49 <Morbus> post that removed blog entry in here.
18:59:51 <Morbus> then you won't have a choice.
19:00:09 <sbp> or to www-archive
19:00:13 <sbp> or both!
19:05:50 <Arnia> * Arnia pushes up everyone's curves
19:06:16 <Arnia> * Arnia vanishes
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19:06:29 <DrBacchus> * DrBacchus readjusts his curves.
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19:24:48 <eaon> Note: Mathcore is a strange genre.
19:26:04 <jcowan> Ittywhonk!
19:27:12 <sbp> hey jcowan
19:27:13 <eaon> Hello Mr. Cowan
19:27:32 <jcowan> Hey ho, sbp, eaon.
19:29:23 <eaon> http://www.samugliestdog.com/
19:30:02 <eaon> Isn't weirdness adorable.
19:33:46 <jcowan> He's actually fairly appealing if you don't think about him being a dog.
19:34:17 <crschmidt> @acronym AOA
19:34:43 <supybot> crschmidt: AOA could be Abbreviated Operational Assessment, or Abort Once Around, or Academy of Art, or Activity on Arc (project management), or Activity on Arrow (project management), or Adaptive Optics Associates, or Add on Armor (Army), or Add-On Architecture, or Administration on Aging (US Department of Health and Human Services), or Advise of Obligation Authority, or Airborne Optical (1 more message)
19:35:04 <jessica> or Air Operations Area
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19:39:17 <deltab> acronym AOA
19:39:18 <Monty> "AOA" - an obvious at:
19:39:57 <deltab> acronym AOA
19:39:57 <Monty> "AOA" - ass out. AIM
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19:58:39 <eaon> David doesn't seem to be a nice person.
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20:03:02 <sbp> well he uses advisory as a mass noun
20:03:05 <sbp> it's obvious really
20:03:17 <crschmidt> @more
20:03:18 <supybot> crschmidt: Adjunct, or Aircraft Operations Area (FAA), or Airport Operations Area (aviation), or Alpha Omega Alpha (Medical Honor Society), or American Obesity Association, or American Optometric Association, or American Optometry Association, or American Ordnance Association, or American Orthopaedic Association, or American Orthopsychiatric Association
20:03:58 <Ash> badvisory
20:04:39 <jessica> * jessica considers renaming herself Sister Katana of Desirable Mindfulness
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20:05:54 <jessica> "There is only God, unless there is more than one God. The vote of our God subcommittee is 10-8 in favor of one God, with two abstentions. Brother Flaming Sword of Moderation noted the possibility of there being no God at all, and his objection was noted with love by the secretary."
20:06:01 <jessica> - http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2005/04/08/DDG27BCFLG1.DTL
20:08:52 <crschmidt> MONTY WHERE ARE YOU
20:08:55 <Monty> Atari ST's Greenlandic lemonade decapitates sprays's zany zest.
20:09:02 <crschmidt> Thanks, Monty
20:09:06 <Monty> Yeah... Saw his objection was out well covered, bore disgusting marks
20:09:32 <jessica> Monty, demagogues of all stripes will be required to read Proust out loud in prisons.
20:09:36 <Monty> curses, not prevent everything from happening in firefox are mapped shouldn't he first
20:13:21 <uche> There is no such thing as ecumenical jihad
20:13:45 <uche> despite the fervent hopes of progressive geeks
20:13:50 <uche> (such as I am)
20:14:20 <jcowan> .gc "ecumenical jihad"
20:14:21 <phenny> "ecumenical jihad": 770
20:14:24 <jcowan> Oho.
20:14:39 <uche> wow
20:14:42 <uche> * uche is taken aback
20:14:50 <uche> lessee the actual results
20:15:14 <uche> A book, even
20:15:42 <jcowan> "Let's all gang up on the secularists, and then we can go back to fighting our holy wars after they are crushed."
20:15:53 <uche> bah. I'll have to trademark a different name instead
20:15:55 <jcowan> * jcowan will not be crushed.
20:16:00 <uche> .gc catholic jihad
20:16:03 <phenny> catholic jihad: 367,000
20:16:38 <uche> .gc unitarian jihad
20:16:41 <phenny> unitarian jihad: 47,900
20:17:09 <uche> .gc anadogmatic jihad
20:17:12 <phenny> anadogmatic jihad: 0
20:17:19 <uche> (making up English words now)
20:17:25 <uche> pwned
20:17:39 <crschmidt> .rate jihad
20:17:46 <phenny> "jihad": 74.87% (58 rocks; 830 rules; 218 sucks; 80 blows)
20:17:50 <crschmidt> .rate universalist unitarians
20:17:56 <phenny> "universalist unitarians": 50.0% (0 rocks; 0 rules; 0 sucks; 0 blows)
20:17:59 <crschmidt> oh, plurals
20:18:00 <crschmidt> .rate universalist unitarian
20:18:07 <phenny> "universalist unitarian": 50.0% (0 rocks; 0 rules; 0 sucks; 0 blows)
20:18:43 <uche> .gc antiundisevangelistic jihad
20:18:46 <phenny> antiundisevangelistic jihad: 0
20:19:03 <uche> I think I'll go with "anadogmatic", anyway
20:19:04 <jessica> I could totally go for a Unitarian jihad.
20:19:11 <edsu> what does .rate do?
20:19:17 <jessica> except beginning a jihad on the streets of Cambridge would be a bit . . . pointless.
20:19:20 <uche> google count comparisons
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20:19:30 <jessica> "I AM HERE TO DECRY MILITARISM AND TO ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO HUG."
20:19:32 <edsu> uche: gotcha
20:19:33 <uche> X rocks ... vs X sucks ...
20:19:56 <jessica> I might as well try it in Berkeley or Madison. There's no point to pretending we're not all Unitarian hippies anyway.
20:20:07 <uche> Or Boulder, or Ithaca
20:20:15 <jessica> I was handing out flyers at one point on the street to encourage people to visit the organic food cooperative I'm a member of.
20:20:18 <uche> And BTW, Madison is *not* what it used to be
20:20:26 <uche> It scares me how much it
20:20:29 <jessica> I was getting a 1 in 3 response. 1 in 3 said no, 1 in 3 took it, and 1 in 3 were already members.
20:20:30 <uche> 's changed
20:20:38 <jessica> Near an incredibly busy subway stop during rush hour.
20:20:47 <jessica> it was sort of bizarre. :)
20:20:56 <jessica> I've never been to Madison.
20:21:05 <uche> Madtown is a good place to party
20:21:10 <jessica> It took crschmidt a long time to convince me that Illinois was something besides a flyover state.
20:21:11 <uche> That much hasn't changed
20:21:23 <jessica> So's Cambridge. ;)
20:21:27 <uche> Lucky thing Madtown ain't in IL :-)
20:21:35 <uche> Out there're they have a name for people from IL
20:21:43 <jessica> Right, but I actually asked him before I went to Chambana if they had antibiotics there yet.
20:21:48 <uche> "Fucking Illinois Bastards"
20:21:49 <jessica> He stopped talking to me for a while over that.
20:22:26 <uche> If Chambana didn
20:22:37 <uche> If Chambana didn't have antibiotics, they'd all be dead of VD by now
20:22:50 <crschmidt> Ouch, uche
20:22:58 <uche> And my brother went to the school, hey :-)
20:23:21 <jcowan> ObScure: There is a town called Indiana, Pennsylvania...
20:23:26 <jcowan> ...And it has a university...
20:23:35 <jcowan> named "Indiana University of Pennsylvania".
20:23:36 <jessica> He was even living in Allen Hall, where you were either a virgin enthusiastically playing Frisbee in the halls or were busy bedhopping with all of your friends and neighbors in a free love experiment.
20:23:45 <uche> Whoa!
20:23:52 <uche> Chime lived in Allen hall for a while, too
20:24:10 <uche> crschmidt, did you and chimme ever chat about that?
20:24:17 <crschmidt> I still miss Allen Hall
20:24:18 <uche> Not that I imagine there's much to chat about ;-)
20:24:22 <crschmidt> uche: I didn't know until just now that it was the case
20:24:24 <crschmidt> so, no :)
20:24:43 <crschmidt> The dorm I lived in is one of the few things that I miss out on from dropping out
20:25:06 <uche> Really? Looked like a lot of punks who lived int he hallways to me
20:25:09 <jessica> That and having a continual supply of free love experimenting 20 year old girls running half naked through the hallways to admire.
20:25:21 <uche> Well, em, just like my own college experience (n/m)
20:25:32 <jessica> I was there for 3 days while suffering from pneumonia, and even *I* noticed the topless girls running around.
20:25:39 <uche> Yes. I do remember the half nekkid hallway denizens
20:25:56 <uche> It was weird, and not even tittilating, to be honest
20:26:26 <crschmidt> uche: There was never much of a "punk" population that I remember. Mostly, it was the hippy/weirdo dorm
20:26:41 <uche> Too much self conscious pheromone signals: kills the effect
20:26:45 <crschmidt> It was nice to be living amongst people closer to my own ideals than those found in my home town, in the most republican county in Illinois
20:26:56 <uche> crschmidt, punk in my family is a generic erm :-)
20:27:13 <uche> My kids get called "punk" fairly often, and they've never touched hair gel (AFAIK)
20:27:45 <crschmidt> I typically consider punks to be "troublemakers" - njot in a bad way, neccesarily, but practical jokesters and the like
20:28:10 <uche> OK. Next time I'll use the closest synonym to my perferred meaning: "buster" ;-)
20:28:17 <crschmidt> * crschmidt nods
20:28:45 <jessica> Punks are usually the kids hanging around the Harvard Pit with bizarre hairdos, in Eastern lexicon -- not necessarily harming anything, but listening to distinctive music and wearing ripped up wife beaters and cargo shorts.
20:29:11 <uche> wife beaters and cargo shorts?
20:29:18 <uche> That's some serious bad trip fashion
20:30:20 <uche> Anyways, UIUC always had a weird vibe to me
20:30:27 <uche> I'm not sure I'd have liked to go there
20:30:37 <uche> Then again, I never visited for more than a day at a time
20:31:37 <jessica> It was too middle-of-the-road in my opinion. I went from Simon's Rock (vegan dining halls, condom baskets refilled in the hallways three times a day, poor class attendance) to Wellesley (everyone trying to get into medical school, people petitioning to triple major, no one leaving campus).
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20:31:44 <jessica> I prefer one extreme or the other. ::)
20:32:28 <crschmidt> The biggest problem I have with UIUC, now that I'm actually living in a City, is that it's in the middle of a fucking cornfield. (And has a cornfield in the middle of it.)
20:32:43 <DrBacchus> corn++
20:32:55 <jessica> Didn't you ever read Stephen King's Children of the Corn?
20:33:01 <uche> I lived in Peoria for a while. Trust me: there *is* worse :-)
20:33:20 <uche> I felt really bad for the Bradley University students
20:33:29 <crschmidt> * crschmidt nods
20:33:35 <jessica> I had a friend who went to Rose Hulman.
20:33:38 <jessica> Now THERE is pain.
20:33:41 <uche> But I went from University of Nigeria, Nsukka to Milwaukee School of Engineering
20:33:46 <jessica> Being stuck in Terre Haute, Indiana for 9 months out fo the year.
20:33:46 <uche> Unspeakably different
20:33:54 <jessica> For one thing, snow. ;)
20:34:10 <uche> Quite
20:34:16 <uche> Nearly killed me the first year
20:34:35 <uche> And clothes
20:34:46 <jessica> Clothes?
20:34:56 <uche> At least a nice button-down shirt and slacks at UNN
20:35:14 <jessica> Ah. Co-ed streaking hasn't hit Nigeria yet?
20:35:18 <uche> Brown blue jeans and tee shirt with idiotic motto at MSOE
20:35:26 <uche> Well sure,
20:35:31 <uche> You just have more to take off
20:35:52 <uche> And I don't think UNNers yield to any US university in wldness
20:35:57 <jcowan> * uche arrives in the land of the barbarians who don't dress for dinner
20:36:05 <uche> The biggest difference I thought: is this all they have for partying ;-)
20:36:06 <DrBacchus> DrBacchus has quit ("Time to get the little person")
20:36:42 <uche> I might have to sample bama and FSU to see if they're as wild
20:36:53 <jessica> I'd try Tulane, TBTH.
20:37:03 <jessica> How anyone manages to ever keep a job in New Orleans is beyond me.
20:37:17 <uche> It was surreal at UNN: Everybody partying "TDB" (till day break" and then copying each other's notes at 9:00am in class
20:37:39 <uche> Nawlins is scary
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20:38:09 <uche> Several trips there have left me in horrified awe
20:38:14 <jessica> Indeed. Part of the reason I've got to get down there this year or next.
20:38:27 <jessica> I don't think I'll be able to handle that kind of partying-until-you-throw-up atmosphere after age 25.
20:38:44 <jcowan> uche: Don't worry, soon it will be completely consumed by the termites.
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20:39:47 <uche> or one day it will just be submerged
20:40:04 <uche> Heck they won't have to sing "I'll swim the ponch-a-traaaaaiin"
20:40:07 <uche> They'll be living it
20:40:22 <jcowan> That too. But the termites are hitting harder and faster.
20:40:26 <uche> true
20:40:28 <jessica> I find it very fitting that one of the main streets is named after a gut rotting liquor.
20:40:38 <jcowan> Not exactly.
20:40:39 <uche> I was there once at the front end of the spring invasion
20:41:02 <uche> I only saw a bit of the hordes, and my friends told me it would double in thickness before they were through
20:41:32 <uche> My thought: what a waste: in Nigeria, we'd catch the drones and fry them for a surpisingly tasty snack
20:42:02 <jcowan> Apparently the termites were imported from China after WWII in the wooden crates in which U.S. soldiers' stuff was shipped home.
20:42:13 <uche> really?
20:42:19 <jcowan> Yeah. They're aliens.
20:42:24 <uche> That's almost too funny
20:42:35 <jcowan> Mao Tse-tung's revenge.
20:42:38 <uche> right
20:43:07 <jcowan> And unlike the water hyacinths on Lake Victoria, biocontrol has thus far been unavailing.
20:43:20 <jcowan> As for poison, the most it can do is keep them a little bit reduced.
20:43:51 <uche> Or zebra mussels in Lake Erie
20:44:05 <uche> Or bullfrogs in.. now where is that again?
20:44:17 <jcowan> Don't know about that one.
20:44:20 <uche> * uche remembers an invasion of alien frogs devastating some famous ecosystem somewheres
20:44:57 <jcowan> The water hyacinth story is one of the few great triumphs of biocontrol.
20:45:17 <jcowan> I saw an interview with the biologist who planned and executed it.
20:46:37 <sbp> Message-Id or Message-ID, for referring to the field in prose?
20:46:47 <sbp> Google seems to prefer the latter
20:46:48 <jcowan> The latter.
20:46:51 <sbp> thanks
20:47:25 <jcowan> RFC 1036 prefers it.
20:48:47 <jcowan> He showed us (the TV watchers) the containers in which he imported the weevils that eat water hyacinth.
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20:49:35 <uche> Hmmm. And what about those weevils?
20:49:46 <uche> How do they plan to control them?
20:49:55 <jcowan> Apparently they have no interest in African plants.
20:50:05 <uche> * uche has images of the boll-wevil-inspired farm belt mini-depression dancing in his head
20:50:28 <uche> well, that's useful
20:50:32 <uche> kill the aliens and die
20:50:43 <jcowan> The weed infestation on L.V. dropped by 80% in five years, with concomitant improvements in nutrition among fisherman and reductions in schisto and malaria.
20:50:45 <jcowan> Win-win.
20:51:37 <jcowan> It's not as radical as you suggest: the plant is reduced but not eliminated, so the weevil thrives.
20:52:26 <jcowan> Note also that there is now a *statue* to that same boll weevil, paid for by farmers who were forced to diversify and ended up doing much better as a result.
20:52:36 <jcowan> These weevils are different ones, anyhow.
20:52:46 <Morbus> * Morbus mighty stomp'd today.
20:53:09 <uche> well, sure
20:53:22 <jcowan> All hail Morbus and his mighty Foot!
20:53:24 <uche> I didn't expect cotton boll weevils would suddenly take to water hyacinths :-)
20:54:21 <uche> .g solipsist jihad
20:54:24 <phenny> solipsist jihad: http://www.philocrites.com/archives/001953.html
20:54:27 <uche> .gc solipsist jihad
20:54:30 <phenny> solipsist jihad: 259
20:54:33 <uche> .gc solipsistic jihad
20:54:36 <phenny> solipsistic jihad: 820
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20:56:00 <eaon> bskahan: Are you ever saying something in this channel? :)
20:57:14 <jcowan> James Ogwang, that's his name: http://www.pbs.org/strangedays/episodes/invaders/experts/bio_ogwang_james.html
20:57:41 <jcowan> And hey, he has worked with boll weevils, too.
20:59:11 <jcowan> Ho, Uche, Joe Zitt tells me you know him.
21:00:02 <bskahan> eaon: I'm just here to listen to monty
21:00:03 <Monty> Cambridge
21:01:01 <jcowan> Monty: enlighten bskahan, please
21:01:02 <Monty> Ewan!
21:01:38 <eaon> Monty, no Brian
21:01:40 <Monty> http://www.ukuug.org/events/opentech2005/
21:01:52 <eaon> Monty: Isn't OpenTech already over?
21:01:54 <Monty> aren't these are adjusted
21:02:23 <JibberJim> I didn't see Monty at opentech - shame...
21:02:23 <Monty> Can you elaborate on that ?
21:04:17 <jcowan> Monty: Nitwit! Blubber! Oddment! Tweak!
21:04:20 <Monty> 'c.' is all the beers already ruined.
21:05:14 <uche> Joe Zitt
21:05:16 <uche> hmmmmm
21:05:23 <uche> * uche has a horrid memory for names
21:06:16 <uche> Oh
21:06:18 <Morbus> phenny, tell d8uv http://www.spacethinkdream.com/v_tutorials.php
21:06:21 <phenny> Morbus: I'll pass that on when d8uv is around.
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21:06:51 <uche> Was he involved in the Dallas poetry scene for a while?
21:07:03 <jcowan> Indeed.
21:07:03 <uche> Seeing his face rings a bell
21:07:06 <uche> A ha
21:07:17 <jcowan> Quotha: [[[
21:07:18 <jcowan> He was a regular participant
21:07:18 <jcowan> in a weekly poetry event that I ran in Dallas. His poetry was very
21:07:18 <jcowan> different from anyone else's: formal, and on traditional themes, quite
21:07:18 <jcowan> different from the standard first person free verse confessional that
21:07:19 <jcowan> almost everyone else was doing.
21:07:21 <jcowan> ]]]
21:07:58 <uche> That could be a compliment, or a diss :-)
21:08:15 <uche> * uche hasn't got along very well with many folks in the modern poetry scene
21:08:33 <uche> But I did really like the Dallas regulars, even when we disagreed on aesthetics
21:08:35 <jcowan> It's definitely neither one.
21:08:50 <uche> I've never really felt as much part of a group
21:09:02 <uche> Just in Nsukka and in Dallas
21:09:06 <jcowan> I've known Joe for more than thirty years, and I know when he's complementing or dissing.
21:09:12 <uche> :-)
21:09:26 <uche> The poetry scene in Boulder is horrible
21:09:42 <uche> self-righteous, stifling, stultifying...
21:09:57 <uche> cliquish, venal,...
21:10:17 <jcowan> IOW, a classic Inner Ring.
21:10:22 <uche> Yeah
21:10:28 <kandinski> cliquish and venal seems like a requisite to me!
21:10:31 <uche> Dallas was far more open
21:10:41 <kandinski> what kind of poetry scene would that be that is not cliquish and venal?
21:10:46 <kandinski> where would the fun be?
21:10:56 <jessica> Good point.
21:10:58 <uche> people really cared about people, i thought, and not reputations
21:10:59 <jcowan> http://www.geocities.com/bigcslewisfan/
21:11:05 <kandinski> if not for the internecine rivalry, there is no fun in poetry scenes!
21:11:10 <jessica> Find me a coffeehouse where the people are warm and welcoming and I show you a coffeehouse that will be closed within six months.
21:12:37 <uche> jessica, well, it wasn't a coffehouse where Joe, I and others gathered
21:12:42 <uche> It was an art gallery :-)
21:12:55 <uche> No coffee allowed
21:13:12 <uche> And what would you know: the in spot in Boulder is...a coffehouse
21:13:28 <uche> I'm glad to have that useful prejudice in my collection now ;-)
21:14:02 <jcowan> * jcowan was only in a coffeehouse once, where he recited "The Rhyme of the Nancy Bell" to oohs and ahs and shrieks of horror.
21:14:15 <jcowan> Followed by "Casey At The Bat"
21:15:15 <kandinski> Nancy Bell?
21:15:31 <kandinski> is that like "Casey" a popular rhyme?
21:16:53 <Morbus> jcowan: http://grandtextauto.gatech.edu/2005/07/22/city-of-if/
21:17:05 <Morbus> i'm writing a long response, per comment 15.
21:17:07 <Morbus> 16.
21:18:02 <uche> I thought it was a song
21:18:15 <jcowan> kandinski: Yes, except that it was written by W.S. Gilbert, of Gilbert and Sullivan.
21:18:24 <uche> A ha
21:18:28 <uche> Just so
21:18:41 <kandinski> oh, great
21:18:46 <kandinski> I have to check it then
21:18:49 <kandinski> (googling)
21:18:58 <uche> The only G&S song I've seen successfully treated as a poem is "Burthone's song"
21:19:11 <uche> If you're willing for to shine...
21:19:18 <jcowan> Anxious.
21:19:19 <kandinski> I have a little list would make a great ditty for kids, methinks
21:19:30 <kandinski> I can only remember the Spanish version by Dagoll Dagom
21:19:30 <jcowan> But G wrote poems as well as songs.
21:19:34 <kandinski> it was a fun performance
21:19:36 <uche> kandinski, a lost of good poens for kids?
21:19:40 <uche> I have a tested list, myself
21:19:47 <kandinski> great
21:19:50 <kandinski> posted anywhere?
21:19:56 <uche> No. I should blog it
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21:20:02 <uche> I have it on paper
21:20:03 <raxor> I have a fun poem for kids.
21:20:08 <kandinski> I like Shel Silverstein and the Nonsense Poetry of Mervyn Peake meself
21:20:11 <uche> * uche recites poems to kids fairl often
21:20:12 <jcowan> Irene still likes me to sing my own melody (in the Dorian mode) to Tolkien's "Grey As A Mouse"
21:21:56 <uche> Shel Silverstein is pretty good
21:21:58 <jcowan> uche: Sage takes forever to load Copia's RSS page; any guesses why?
21:22:01 <uche> But I prefer to read classics
21:22:11 <uche> I figure they can always get good contemporary stuff, anyway
21:22:28 <uche> jcowan, I've had a couple of compliants
21:22:33 <uche> I've been meaning to look into it
21:22:47 <jcowan> It may just be that there are 40-odd entries in it.
21:22:47 <uche> I think PyBlosxom's RSS engine might not take load very well
21:22:52 <uche> ?
21:22:55 <uche> Should be only 20
21:23:05 <uche> * uche has to check that as well
21:23:16 <jcowan> 40, definitely.
21:23:35 <crschmidt> * crschmidt wonders why someone would use anything other than wordpress for a weblog
21:23:35 <uche> ok
21:23:39 <uche> I'll have to fix it
21:23:46 <uche> way too much for a full-text feed
21:24:06 <uche> crschmidt, I think I looked at all the famous engines, and decided I didn't like them
21:24:10 <uche> DIfferent reasons for each
21:24:14 <uche> WP is perl, right?
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21:24:23 <kandinski> WP is php, afaik
21:24:24 <crschmidt> PHP
21:24:26 <jcowan> Using your own engine makes you more comment-spam resistant, as well.
21:24:34 <uche> Well, I know no PHP, which disqualifies it
21:24:39 <kandinski> security through obscurity, jcowan?
21:24:40 <uche> I can't use an engine I can't hack
21:24:56 <crschmidt> kandinski: not security, surely
21:25:01 <jcowan> kandinski: Not as such, just it's less likely that anyone will bother to write a script-kiddie script to attack just you.
21:25:20 <crschmidt> uche: understandable, I suppose. I've just found it to outperform everything else that is open source out there.
21:25:22 <uche> my spam countermeasures for copia were really easy to write
21:25:31 <uche> I've loved how hackable PyBlosxom is
21:25:43 <uche> I don't think any blog designer can anticipate my crazy ideas
21:25:52 <jcowan> Granted, I have 28 entries right now myself (I have things set up to show the last 10 days)
21:26:06 <uche> Well, if performance becomes a problem, I'm sure I can help make a difference in PyBlosxom
21:26:13 <jcowan> Nobody's taken my bait about GPL vs. Debian yet.
21:26:28 <crschmidt> jcowan: Comment spam is not really an issue with any decent system, imho.
21:26:30 <uche> jcowan, I'm no license geek
21:26:39 <JibberJim> whoa, 2 short powercuts tonight, somehow the mac mini the cable modem and the wireless router (and this laptop obviously) all survived without even a squeak, but everything else dies...
21:27:16 <crschmidt> Default spamtraps should catch and destroy most spam attacks that aren't directly targeted to avoid specific countermeasures, in which case, if you become a target, you're screwed anyway
21:27:38 <crschmidt> JibberJim: are you sure the mac mini didn't just restart silently and go back where it was?
21:27:41 <jcowan> uche: My basic subtext is, Debian is way too conservative. They think judges are no smarter than computers.
21:28:15 <crschmidt> jcowan: given some past legal precedents in the free software world, is that really an entirely unfair assumption?
21:29:20 <crschmidt> Or at least, if not an assumption, a decent "Cover your ass" approach
21:29:38 <JibberJim> no as ssh stays up crschmidt
21:29:55 <crschmidt> JibberJim: *nod*
21:30:18 <JibberJim> and I hope ssh d
