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01:55:18 <BigJibby> hey Monty
01:55:20 <Monty> farm was screwdriver :(
01:55:29 <BigJibby> Monty, what?
01:55:30 <Monty> awesome handset...lol...
01:55:42 <Arnia> Monty... shh
01:55:43 <Monty> That is interesting. Please continue.
01:55:48 <Arnia> Monty: No
01:55:49 <Monty> Why 'no' ?
01:55:54 <Arnia> Monty: Why not?
01:55:55 <Monty> Annotation properties
01:56:08 <BigJibby> Monty, ohhh, the farm screwdriver handset. Gotcha!
01:56:09 <Monty> Tell me more about that.
01:56:13 <Arnia> Monty: Want me to annotate you? Dear me... there is a time and a place
01:56:17 <Monty> "Debris was looking good site - http://monkey.workarea.jp/lb/archive/2005/8-09.html']
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03:09:55 <Monty> welcome, edsu
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05:34:54 <crschmidt> @acronym thc
05:34:56 <supybot> crschmidt: thc could be Tetrahydrocannabinol (psychoactive compound in marijuana), or Target Heading Change, or Target Homing Correlator, or Tattoo Healing Cream, or Team Hyper Combo (gaming), or Technical Head Count, or Telecommunications Host Controller, or Temperature and Humidity Control, or Terminal Handling Charge, or Texas Hardcore (music website), or Texas Hemp Campaign, or Texas (1 more message)
05:35:13 <crschmidt> @more
05:35:13 <supybot> crschmidt: Hill Country, or Texas Historical Commission (aka Texas SHPO), or The Happy Chemical (THC in marijuana), or The Headline Company (Guelph, ON, Canada), or The History Channel, or The Hope Conspiracy (band), or The Humble Crew (gaming clan), or Thermo-Haline Circulation, or Thomas Haden Church (actor)
05:35:31 <crschmidt> loggy: pointer
05:35:31 <crschmidt> See http://swhack.com/logs/2005-08-10#T05-35-31
05:40:05 <bancus> hey crschmidt
05:40:38 <crschmidt> hey bancus
05:40:44 <crschmidt> Got your emails from the weekend
05:40:52 <crschmidt> scheduling athena-maint time tomorrow morning
05:40:55 <crschmidt> I'll check over them then
05:42:50 <bancus> k
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06:19:52 <GabeW> sbp: youthere?
06:26:23 <laplink> .seen sbp
06:26:26 <phenny> laplink: I last saw sbp at 2005-08-09 09:36:01 UTC on #rowr
06:27:32 <laplink> Hmmm. Anyone recall giving sbp permission to be absent this long?
06:27:38 <GabeW> not me
06:27:44 <GabeW> wave
06:30:24 <laplink> phenny: tell sbp Please come to the principals office at once. You've an appointment to discuss cutting classes.
06:30:27 <phenny> Storing too many messages for sbp already; use Monty or the 'phone instead.
06:30:28 <Monty> think it's in
06:30:44 <laplink> Bah!
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06:41:14 <xover> Grrr. Windows laptop, with VMWare running Linux, to fire up a VNC viewer that supports SSH, to get to my Mac OS X box...
06:41:49 <laplink> ...only to find it hadn't crashed, it just disconnected and didn't bother to reconnect.
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09:34:05 <Monty> Speak of the devil, it's danja!
09:35:55 <danja> now Monty, I realise you're a bot, but you've probably got more clue about this Debian problem than I...
09:35:56 <Monty> russ said they could be happy...
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09:37:18 <sbp> Monty: seen raxor?
09:37:19 <Monty> I have not seen "raxor?" say or do anything during my arduous lifetime on this IRC server.
09:37:20 <sbp> Monty: seen raxor
09:37:21 <Monty> raxor (~chatzilla) was last seen by me coming from 68-65-87-196.snbrca.adelphia.net on Wed Aug 03 20:56:29 BST 2005 quitting from the server with the following reason: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
09:52:39 <enki> Monty: seen batman ?
09:52:40 <Monty> BatMan (~Me) was last seen by me coming from host217-43-0-148.range217-43.btcentralplus.com on Sun Mar 06 14:27:42 GMT 2005 changing nick from BatMan to J2theIZZO
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10:13:19 <bjoern_> Monty, paper
10:13:19 <Monty> I chose paper - Draw!
10:13:27 <bjoern_> Monty, stone
10:13:27 <Monty> I chose scissors - You win :(
10:13:39 <kandinski> monty, lizard
10:13:41 <Monty> My secret: ravens is televised!
10:13:49 <kandinski> monty, paper
10:13:49 <Monty> I chose stone - You win :(
10:13:52 <laplink> Monty, stoned? Again?
10:13:52 <Monty> damn...
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10:39:43 <lonur> monty: ow smart are you?
10:39:48 <Monty> JimH: nice. Subscribed through cingular rollover minutes they should subscribe to orbit? Nice!
10:39:48 <lonur> monty: how smart are you?
10:39:49 <Monty> scratches golf-clubs...?
10:40:24 <lonur> monty: are you smarter than us?
10:40:25 <Monty> fearsome handsome journeys!
10:40:44 <lonur> monty: who is your creator?
10:40:44 <Monty> What makes you think of my creator ?
10:41:01 <lonur> monty: can we talk with your creator?
10:41:03 <Monty> really? I want thats pretty sleek.
10:42:56 <lonur> monty: what do YOU want?
10:42:57 <Monty> Bernardo was registering. sigh.
10:43:38 <lonur> monty: go ahead and bring Bernardo here
10:43:39 <Monty> damn ugly...
10:46:13 <lonur> monty: but smart eh?
10:46:14 <Monty> "With the credit tho
10:47:34 <lonur> monty: how much do we have to pay to bring your pal here?
10:47:35 <Monty> bijan, got fired.
10:48:07 <lonur> monty: then we can hire bijan
10:48:08 <Monty> Tell me more about that.
10:48:37 <lonur> monty: what would it takes to get bijan in this room?
10:48:38 <Monty> From the TBL interview
10:49:19 <lonur> monty: remind AaronSw & sbp to TBL interview bijan
10:49:19 <Monty> Does talking about this bother you ?
10:49:36 <lonur> monty: I am bothered with the talk
10:49:36 <Monty> ah.
10:56:11 <lonur> monty: err I am NOT bothered with the talk
10:56:12 <Monty> Is it because you are not bothered with the talk that you came to me ?
10:56:47 <lonur> monty: yes
10:56:49 <Monty> awesome (but just some red bull air :) )
10:57:08 <lonur> monty: how can we help you and yours?
10:57:12 <Monty> hmm... 2mp camera is fiddling with edge does the canonical one I talked to both?
10:57:49 <lonur> .w canonical
10:57:53 <phenny> canonical 1. appearing in a Biblical canon
10:57:56 <phenny> canonical 2. of or relating to or required by canon law
10:57:59 <phenny> canonical 3. reduced to the simplest and most significant form possible without loss of generality [...]
10:58:33 <lonur> Monty: the Bible is the word of our Creator. Trust in the Bible, I do.
10:58:35 <Monty> Why would I suppose :-)
10:59:39 <lonur> Monty: our Creator created us & love us. You are too His creation & he therefore loves you
10:59:42 <Monty> scheduling athena-maint time I keep calling me for avec?
11:00:30 <lonur> monty: avec ai em muon di voi?
11:00:32 <Monty> medical hyped-up dreams.
11:01:10 <lonur> monty:ok but not first model
11:01:12 <Monty> [an error from runway ends and breath
11:01:57 <lonur> monty: I depend on doctor expertise there
11:01:57 <Monty> That's quite interesting.
11:02:24 <lonur> monty: and I depend on you.
11:02:27 <Monty> well, he's not seem to be absent this weekend said it in heaven
11:02:57 <lonur> monty: this weekend is ok with me
11:03:00 <Monty> Annotation properties are still 500Mhz :\
11:03:09 <lonur> .w annotate
11:03:12 <phenny> annotate 1. add explanatory notes to or supply with critical comments
11:03:15 <phenny> annotate 2. provide interlinear explanations for words or phrases
11:03:17 <sbp> avec ai em muon di voi?
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11:03:58 <lonur> (french) with (vietnamese) who you want go with
11:04:07 <kandinski> sbp, query?
11:04:23 <sbp> lonur: thanks!
11:04:40 <lonur> sbp: happy to help :)
11:05:28 <laplink> .w interlinear
11:05:31 <phenny> interlinear 1. written between lines of text
11:06:59 <sbp> -ar is an odd adjectival suffix
11:07:08 <laplink> .w linear
11:07:11 <phenny> linear 1. designating or involving an equation whose terms are of the first degree
11:07:13 <sbp> .gc linear
11:07:14 <sbp> .gc lineal
11:07:15 <phenny> linear 2. of or in or along or relating to a line
11:07:16 <phenny> linear: 33,800,000
11:07:18 <phenny> linear 3. of a circuit or device having an output that is proportional to the input [...]
11:07:18 <phenny> lineal: 935,000
11:07:54 <laplink> .w lineal
11:07:57 <phenny> lineal 1. in a straight unbroken line of descent from parent to child
11:08:01 <phenny> lineal 2. arranged in a line
11:08:17 <sbp> English is wacky
11:08:19 <laplink> .w lineage
11:08:22 <phenny> lineage 1. the descendants of one individual
11:08:25 <phenny> lineage 2. the kinship relation between an individual and the individual's progenitors
11:08:28 <phenny> lineage 3. the number of lines in a piece of printed material [...]
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11:14:52 <sbp> hi bskahan
11:16:02 <sbp> * sbp chuckles at http://bskahan.etria.com/blog/archive/2005/06/01/dangerous-book
11:17:45 <kandinski> http://chinabone.lth.bclub.org.uk/~saul/
11:17:47 <kandinski> oops
11:18:45 <JibberJim> bskahan, set a background colour!
11:18:57 <JibberJim> surely Kinsey has got to be worse than Marx ?
11:19:06 <JibberJim> Think of the children!
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12:38:58 <Monty> lo evitiello
12:39:28 <evitiello> evitiello is now known as pixel
12:39:34 <sbp> * sbp jumps
12:39:39 <sbp> pixel!
12:39:43 <pixel> sbp!!
12:39:49 <crschmidt> crschmidt!!!
12:39:55 <pixel> (wow. my user account is still valid)
12:40:00 <sbp> wow
12:40:02 <pixel> how goes it?
12:40:07 <sbp> I thought it dropped it after like six weeks
12:40:16 <sbp> not too bad, thanks. more to the point, how goes it for you?
12:40:29 <pixel> I thought so too. I guess maybe it just makes it available for the taking, and no one took it.
12:40:36 <sbp> yeah
12:40:55 <pixel> not too bad. sold my company, started a new job with the company that bought mine, I have an office, and I get a paycheck!!!
12:41:09 <sbp> heheh
12:41:09 <crschmidt> 60 days, and then it's only done if someone specifically requests it to an admin
12:41:22 <pixel> I'm doin good :)
12:41:27 <sbp> now you need to rise to be manager, sell that company to an even bigger company, and go and work for that company
12:41:31 <sbp> thanks crschmidt
12:41:40 <pixel> I bet it's been 6 months since I've logged on!
12:41:46 <pixel> hehehe
12:41:48 <JibberJim> pixel!
12:42:08 <pixel> I actually am the manager of the application development department.
12:42:11 <pixel> Jim!
12:42:31 <pixel> looks like swhack is still the place to be.
12:43:37 <sbp> even Morbus still deigns to come in from time to time...
12:43:41 <sbp> Aaron is lost, though
12:43:57 <pixel> I thought he might be. he's a busy guy.
12:43:57 <sbp> Morbus actually comes in all the time, but he's been a bit busy these past few weeks
12:43:58 <crschmidt> He's not lost! he comes in once a week or so to ask if he can come over to my place
12:44:07 <sbp> really? cool
12:44:12 <sbp> say hi to him for me
12:44:14 <crschmidt> heh, heh
12:44:17 <crschmidt> will do!
12:44:47 <pixel> tell him we miss him. sniff sniff
12:45:17 <sbp> then lick him a few times
12:45:21 <sbp> just for good measure
12:45:27 <pixel> real sloppy like.
12:45:42 <pixel> ahhhh, it's good to be back.
12:45:42 <sbp> have you met Monty, pixel? and phenny?
12:45:44 <Monty> Man, Plumpy'nut is pretty much then :)
12:45:48 <sbp> I can't remember how long you've been away
12:45:54 <pixel> yeah, I remember Monty. not phenny though
12:45:55 <sbp> well, that's Monty. he'll say something else wacky now
12:45:56 <Monty> Later Matt
12:45:59 <Monty> DMA many osmium buffs sprinting aubergines and geriatric equipped configurability >:)
12:46:00 <sbp> phenny: help
12:46:03 <phenny> Hi, I'm phenny (http://inamidst.com/phenny/)
12:46:06 <phenny> Commands: codepoint, etymology, gimage, google, googlecalc, googlecount, httphead, map, podecoint, rate, remind, representation, seen, swhacktail, thesaurus, time, timer, validate, wordnet
12:46:09 <phenny> Try "phenny: help command?" if stuck. My owner is sbp.
12:46:12 <sbp> she does such as:
12:46:23 <sbp> .g Eric Vitiello
12:46:26 <phenny> Eric Vitiello: http://www.perceive.net/
12:46:27 <pixel> ahh. I was goign to ask he or she.
12:46:29 <sbp> .gc Eric Vitiello
12:46:31 <phenny> Eric Vitiello: 36,000
12:46:36 <sbp> .cp interrobang
12:46:39 <sbp> .t
12:46:40 <phenny> 203D: INTERROBANG (‽)
12:46:42 <phenny> Wed, 10 Aug 2005 12:46:39 GMT
12:46:45 <sbp> phenny: seen pixel
12:46:47 <phenny> sbp: I last saw pixel at 2005-08-10 12:46:27 UTC on #swhack
12:46:51 <sbp> etc.
12:46:54 <pixel> handy!
12:46:56 <sbp> yup
12:46:59 <crschmidt> ^name pixel
12:47:01 <julie> Eric Vitiello, Eric Vitiello Jr., Eric Vitiello Jr
12:47:01 <pixel> what's phenny written in?
12:47:03 <sbp> also:
12:47:07 <crschmidt> Python, naturally
12:47:08 <sbp> phenny: tell pixel something rad
12:47:09 <sbp> yeah
12:47:10 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when pixel is around.
12:47:22 <pixel> ooh. I remember when you were just getting your going crs.
12:47:24 <phenny> pixel: 12:47Z <sbp> tell pixel something rad
12:47:34 <pixel> coool.
12:47:44 <crschmidt> * crschmidt started work on julie almost a year ago now
12:47:54 <crschmidt> stopped work on her a couple months ago
12:48:04 <pixel> cool.
12:48:12 <sbp> he stopped work on *everything* a couple [of] months ago
12:48:15 <pixel> about a year ago is when I stopped comign around frequently.
12:48:23 <sbp> sniff
12:48:27 <pixel> stopped work on working, eh?
12:48:27 <sbp> you fell out of love with us
12:48:36 <pixel> naw.
12:48:39 <sbp> and now we've picked up a brand new whore!
12:48:45 <sbp> * sbp waves to kandinski
12:48:50 <pixel> I had to try to pay my bills. didn't do so well.
12:48:57 <sbp> * sbp nods
12:49:04 <sbp> glad it's all going swimmingly now
12:49:05 <pixel> * pixel likes kandindki paintings.
12:49:14 <pixel> quite.
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12:49:25 <kandinski> * kandinski makes a painting for pixel
12:49:26 <crschmidt> yeah, i suppose i did kind of give up on everything
12:49:35 <pixel> basically, I took the job to have time to use IRC.
12:49:41 <crschmidt> ^q select ?d where (?i rss:title "Exhaustion With RDF") (?i dc:date ?d)
12:49:42 <julie> Query returned no results
12:49:47 <crschmidt> stupid... bleh
12:49:59 <pixel> hehe
12:50:12 <crschmidt> ^q select ?d where (?i rss:title "Exhaustion with RDF") (?i dc:date ?d)
12:50:12 <julie> 2005-06-22T03:36:27Z
12:50:14 <crschmidt> typo
12:50:34 <sbp> o noe caes senstivie?!
12:51:05 <sbp> o/~ some people still call you a queen o/~
12:51:32 <sbp> julie is pretty neat really
12:51:39 <sbp> you should keep workin' on her, crschmidt!
12:51:44 <sbp> all those lovely redland bugs
12:53:03 <crschmidt> eh, that's what you get for living on CVS
12:53:10 <crschmidt> release of redland have never caused many problems for me
12:53:35 <sbp> yeah right
13:07:06 <pixel> heheh. you're like #10 in google for a search of sbp.
13:07:17 <pixel> actually, #8.
13:08:49 <sbp> #2
13:09:22 <sbp> @google sbp
13:09:25 <supybot> sbp: Search took 0.27 seconds: State Bank of Pakistan - SBP /Website / The Central Bank / Islamic ...: <http://www.sbp.org.pk/>; The Small Business Project: <http://www.sbp.org.za/>; AFPC - Air Force Personnel Center: <http://www.afpc.randolph.af.mil/sbp/>
13:09:31 <sbp> huh
13:09:35 <pixel> my #2 is wwww.sbp.org.za
13:09:38 <sbp> definitely #2 for me
13:09:52 <sbp> ah, I had Personalized Search on
13:09:54 <sbp> that's a bit of a bugger
13:10:10 <sbp> I used to have awesome Google power from lists.w3.org
13:10:13 <pixel> hey, you're still #8.
13:10:18 <pixel> ooh. I bet.
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13:39:37 <sbp> bwahaha
13:39:48 <sbp> jcowan in a soon-to-appear comment in WPIT:
13:39:49 <sbp> [[[
13:39:51 <sbp> For the benefit of your readers from outside the UK/US Fred Flintstone Measurement System Co-Prosperity Sphere, you probably ought to explain that two pints is more or less one liter.
13:39:51 <sbp> ]]]
13:41:02 <sbp> odd, I've been getting a crapload of good mail these past few days
13:42:21 <kandinski> oh
13:42:56 <kandinski> you should do a wpit email roundup with the best bits that are not delicate and senstitive wrt privacy and shit
13:43:07 <kandinski> especially leave out all the shit parts
13:44:11 <laplink> Hey! No leaving out the naughty bits, now y'hear!
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13:44:43 <kandinski> phenny: ask Morbus about his three favourite game review sites
13:44:45 <phenny> kandinski: I'll pass that on when morbus is around.
13:51:18 <sbp> actually that's not such a bad idea
13:57:36 <kandinski> actually that is not sucky praise
14:02:53 <sbp> well normally it'd be a bad idea because people are sensitive about email
14:03:10 <sbp> but the kind of people that email me, namely you, are more amenable to it
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14:04:05 <sbp> also we do seem to lose a lot of interesting stuff to email
14:04:46 <kandinski> also, if it is egoboo-worthy, and not rilly personal, like what you just pasted from jcowan, getting permission should be easy
14:05:03 <sbp> egoboo?
14:05:27 <kandinski> make you look good as how witty you are by publishing it
14:05:29 <sbp> well jcowan's stuff was specifically for posting on the website
14:05:30 <crschmidt> egoboost?
14:06:04 <kandinski> as opposed to making you look like an ass by publishing publicly the outcome of your stupidness
14:06:30 <sbp> publically
14:06:38 <crschmidt> publicly
14:06:42 <sbp> publically!
14:06:42 <kandinski> that too
14:06:45 <crschmidt> publicly!
14:06:49 <sbp> PUBLICALLY
14:06:58 <crschmidt> If it's good enough for jcowan, it's good enough for me
14:07:03 <kandinski> PUBLICALLYMENTE
14:07:09 <sbp> surely jcowan's conceded by now?
14:07:09 <bjoern_> oeffentlich
14:07:17 <crschmidt> of course he hasn't! you're wrong!
14:07:21 <kandinski> I hate when they say (in films and such) "correctamundo"
14:07:24 <sbp> oeffentlik!
14:07:47 <sbp> not even after my awesome citing of precedent and the OED?
14:07:57 <sbp> phenny: ask jcowan publicly or publically?
14:07:57 <kandinski> it only looks cool in Pulp Fiction because Jules Winfield can make all the errors he wants and nobody is going to ever correct him
14:07:59 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when jcowan is around.
14:08:22 <bjoern_> snakker dansk?
14:08:35 <bjoern_> jeg ikke snakker dansk.
14:09:01 <sbp> Nnn
14:09:25 <sbp> clear all so! 'tis an Ongerlonder
14:13:56 <laplink> bjoern_, swap the "ikke" and "snakker".
14:15:15 <bjoern_> yeah, I thought about... just had a 1 week crash course looong ago...
14:18:03 <sbp> snicker snack
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15:03:28 <jcowan> Ittywhonk!
15:03:30 <phenny> jcowan: 14:07Z <sbp> ask jcowan publicly or publically?
15:03:56 <jcowan> phenny: tell sbp that publicly is the standard orthography, bizarre as it is.
15:03:58 <phenny> jcowan: I'll pass that on when sbp is around.
15:04:33 <crschmidt> jcowan: the question was which you prefer to see/use/etc.
15:05:07 <laplink> <sbp> surely jcowan's conceded by now?
15:05:25 <jcowan> Conceded *what*?
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15:06:18 <laplink> Publically vs. Publicly I'd assume. sbp, afterall, is a great fan of the "Publicly" variant.
15:07:06 <laplink> In fact, I think `es off composing an "Ode to Publicly" for WPIT right now.
15:07:46 <crschmidt> Of course! that explains http://miscoranda.com/138 perfectally!
15:07:47 <kandinski> so I said "publicly" and he almost bit me
15:08:17 <jcowan> Parturient sbp, nascetur ridiculus mus.
15:08:54 <kandinski> Parturient Richard Gere, nascetur Hamster, ut dicent
15:09:38 <jcowan> Oopsie.
15:09:44 <jcowan> s/Parturient/Parturiet
15:09:57 <jcowan> I usually screw up gender but rarely number.
15:10:14 <kandinski> in Spanish we have the word "parturienta", which means "woman giving birth" (or about to anyway) /*SNotD)
15:10:23 <kandinski> and you dragged me down with you
15:10:28 <kandinski> damn you jcowan!
15:10:51 <jcowan> Well, in the original it's "montes" and I was just copying a bit too literally.
15:11:14 <jcowan> e.g. "Whither thou goest, I goest also." (Debbie Reynolds to Eddie Fisher, memorably)
15:11:31 <kandinski> TRUEST
15:11:44 <kandinski> thou speakest the truthest, and I am a pest
15:25:00 <jcowan> The superlative of p.
15:25:29 <jcowan> In German the higher ordinals are marked as superlatives even though they are not.
15:28:15 <jcowan> You can construct perfect formal parallels like fleissig:fleissigste::dreissig:dreissigste
15:28:36 <jcowan> "industrious:most industrious::thirty:thirtiest"!
15:29:15 <jcowan> Of course "first" and "last" really are superlatives in both Germanic and Romance languages.
15:29:23 <jcowan> as well as ordinal numbers.
15:32:46 <kandinski> heh
15:32:51 <kandinski> the foremost
15:32:54 <kandinski> and the hindmost
15:33:04 <kandinski> el máximo y el mínimo
15:33:31 <kandinski> último (last) seems also to be a superlative /*SNotD)
15:33:36 <kandinski> just guessing really
15:37:47 <jcowan> Quite right.
15:38:10 <jcowan> Does Spanish still have "bruma" for "winter"?
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15:38:58 <kandinski> no
15:39:08 <kandinski> "bruma" means "mist" /*SNotD)
15:39:14 <jcowan> Huh.
15:39:17 <kandinski> mostly for sea mist, or fog
15:39:31 <kandinski> poetic term, the regular term being "niebla"
15:39:34 <jcowan> Well, Latin "bruma" is a deeply hidden superlative, probably from "brevis".
15:39:48 <kandinski> "brumoso" is a murky day.... wait
15:39:50 <kandinski> checking RAE
15:40:27 <kandinski> RAE says it is old but it has "invierno"
15:40:45 <jcowan> That being the ordinary word for "winter"?
15:40:48 <kandinski> but "brumoso" is not wintery, but merely "with mist, fog"
15:40:54 <kandinski> yes, sorry
15:41:04 <kandinski> I need a good etym bot for Spanish
15:41:27 <kandinski> bruma.
15:41:27 <kandinski> (Del lat. bruma, solsticio de invierno).
15:41:27 <kandinski> 1. f. Niebla, y especialmente la que se forma sobre el mar.
15:41:27 <kandinski> 2. f. ant. invierno (? estación del año).
15:46:23 <jcowan> Huh. I wouldn't have guessed that _season_ < Fr. _saison_ < Latin STATIONEM, but there's the evidence.
15:47:04 <kandinski> what evidence?
15:47:23 <kandinski> what other word follows the same pattern?
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15:50:01 <jcowan> It's obvious where "estación" comes from, and it'd be very surprising if "saison" had some other root entirely. The connection simply never occurred to me.
15:50:56 <kandinski> yes, estación is obvious
15:51:02 <kandinski> sorry; "estación"
15:51:38 <kandinski> but "saison", though reasonable, has in my head no evolution path. I am sure there is one, I just wondered if you knew it.
15:52:42 <kandinski> are there other French words starting in s+vowel that once were Latin st+vowel?
15:54:30 <jcowan> Can't think of one, but that doesn't mean much.
15:55:49 <jcowan> Huh again.
15:56:04 <jcowan> Well, I'll be plucked from a vine and eaten grape by grape by a girl in her teens.
15:56:55 <jcowan> saison < SATIONEM 'sowing' (n) < SERERE 'sow' (v)
15:59:10 <kandinski> ooh, that sounds more like it
15:59:28 <jcowan> My faith in the reasonableness of sound-changes is restore.
15:59:31 <jcowan> restored, even.
15:59:35 <kandinski> mine too
15:59:51 <jcowan> "English is misspelled French."
15:59:56 <jcowan> (or vice versa)
16:00:20 <kandinski> Dutch is English spelt funny and spoken in a Klingon accent
16:01:01 <jcowan> * jcowan adds that to the essential explanations queue
16:04:35 <jcowan> You want the creator to read "Kandinski" or "Javier Candeira"?
16:04:44 <jcowan> (Or "Anon." or something else?)
16:05:23 <kandinski> Javier Candeira is good
16:05:41 <kandinski> I love Dutch's Gutturality
16:05:48 <kandinski> gracht!
16:05:56 <kandinski> and the rolled velar r
16:06:16 <kandinski> * kandinski says "gracht" several times just to clear his throat
16:06:33 <kandinski> s/good/good, thanks/
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16:13:39 <jcowan> "istasyon" is a Turkish word meaning (surprise) "station" (radio or railway or whatever).
16:14:57 <kandinski> that is funny
16:15:07 <kandinski> sounds like japanese neologisms
16:15:19 <kandinski> "kirisito" or "ekusutura"
16:15:27 <kandinski> well, bye now
16:15:40 <jcowan> Okay.
16:31:10 <Arnia> lo
16:32:31 <jcowan> Ho, Arnia.
16:32:35 <jcowan> What news on the Rialto?
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16:35:04 <Arnia> I'm so tired :) Currently writing some lecture notes on OOP with Java and UML so that when demonstrating next term I don't have to explain basic stuff again and again
16:35:13 <Arnia> I can just point people to the notes
16:35:25 <uche> Reguliersgracht really does the trick, Kandinski
16:35:49 <Arnia> Going to use javascript to add interactive examples for people to play with so they grasp it better
16:50:35 <Arnia> jcowan: how be thee?
16:50:40 <jcowan> "grasp" sounds pretty impressive if pronounced Dutchly too.
16:51:11 <Arnia> How is that then?
16:52:04 <jcowan> * jcowan scratches his head.
16:52:05 <Arnia> If I'm talking like a Southerner then I'd say the 'a' long. If like a Northerner then I'd say it short
16:52:24 <jcowan> I meant interpreting "grasp" as a Dutch word in Dutch orthography.
16:52:42 <jcowan> (Which it is not AFAIK)
16:52:59 <uche> dunno enough dutch to say, but yes, it would sound interesting
16:53:09 <Arnia> This is interesting - http://www.siox.org/
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16:53:24 <Arnia> * Arnia feels his life may become a bit easier with Gimp 2.4
16:54:24 <jcowan> * jcowan tries out the applet.
16:54:53 <jcowan> * jcowan true to his heritage makes the a short in grasp and all such English words.
16:56:02 <uche> short, open in dutch
16:57:00 <Arnia> It is a major recurring argument in the UK as to how to pronounce 'a' in most words
16:57:02 <uche> at least in AMS
16:57:26 <uche> Arnia, easy solution to that argument: "they way you're used to pronouncing it"
16:57:46 <Arnia> Oh yes. Which is what I say. But the argument is a silly fun one
16:57:52 <uche> ah
16:58:12 <Arnia> Northerners (i.e. from Northamptonshire up) pronounce it short, Southerners pronounce it long
16:59:02 <uche> similar in the US
16:59:27 <uche> but in some southern states it's a long (duration) vowel, and in some a long diphthong
17:01:10 <jcowan> * jcowan assumes Arnia is using "short" and "long" in the historic English fashion rather than to represent actual durations.
17:01:31 <jcowan> [græsp] vs. [grasp]
17:02:08 <jcowan> Although [æ] in the U.K. no longer has quite the sound it has in RP and related accents.
17:02:17 <jcowan> er, try again:
17:02:23 <Arnia> Yes, historic form. The north-east accents (Darlington, Hartlepoole, Teesside, Durham, Northumberland, Mackem and Geordie) are most interesting. They pronounce 'a' short, but pronounce both vowels of 'oo'
17:02:32 <jcowan> Although [æ] in the U.K. no longer has the North American sound.
17:02:40 <jcowan> .w anacoluthon
17:02:43 <phenny> anacoluthon 1. an abrupt change within a sentence from one syntactic structure to another
17:03:00 <uche> cool
17:03:14 <jcowan> It has moved up toward short e, which has pushed short e up.
17:03:14 <uche> I'll have to see how to use that today, so it sticks
17:03:23 <jcowan> "that"?
17:05:41 <jcowan> uche: what do you mean by "that" in "use that", and what do you mean by AMS (possibly ABN?)
17:06:23 <uche> anacoluthon
17:06:31 <uche> Amsterdam
17:07:00 <uche> Travel Abbreviation for all the amsterdam airports
17:07:04 <uche> like LON
17:07:22 <uche> (as opposed to LHR+LGW+...)
17:07:43 <Arnia> What is Stansted's designation?
17:07:50 <uche> dunno off head
17:07:52 <Arnia> Or Luton's
17:07:53 <uche> nor Luton's
17:08:07 <Arnia> * Arnia dislikes Luton, doesn't mind Stansted
17:08:11 <Arnia> But I dislike Luton entire :)
17:08:19 <Arnia> The town isn't that nice
17:08:25 <uche> heh. Luton is my East Anglia stomping grounds
17:08:55 <uche> http://copia.ogbuji.net/blog/2005-05-01/Is_Luton_r
17:09:30 <jcowan> STN and LTN respectively.
17:09:53 <jcowan> Anglophone countries get the nice IATA codes, leaving Montreal with YUD and the like.
17:10:24 <jcowan> "I'm flying into yudd today, can you meet me there?"
17:10:47 <jcowan> Although Newark (New Jersey) gets EWR; apparently the N went a-glimmering.
17:11:03 <Arnia> uche: I wouldn't call Luton 'East Anglia'
17:11:31 <Arnia> But then that is mainly because it is on the border with my home county, and I'd hate for my county to be considered part of East Anglia
17:11:32 <uche> Bedfordshire?
17:11:36 <uche> heh
17:11:43 <uche> I think technicallly it is?
17:12:20 <uche> At least Luton is always classified as EA in stuff I see
17:12:43 <Arnia> I live in Bucks
17:12:49 <uche> Ah
17:12:49 <jcowan> "at Chez Ana"? Ouch.
17:12:50 <Arnia> (originally at least)
17:12:56 <uche> I was saying Luton was in Beds, not you :-)
17:13:13 <uche> jcowan, big whoop
17:13:15 <Arnia> Yes. Well, Bucks is the county that no one knows exactly what to do with
17:13:31 <jcowan> I also humbly suggest that NYC will never be a shell around whomever one comes to see.
17:13:34 <uche> I'd also say "come have fun out bei mir"
17:13:40 <jcowan> But that's because we live on the streets. :-)
17:13:55 <Arnia> In terms of culture, accent etc. it is a south midlands county
17:14:05 <jcowan> New Yorkers go home to their closets every night and hang themselves on hooks to sleep.
17:14:13 <uche> or "bij mi", since we were talking Dutch
17:14:40 <jcowan> "One soon loses the ability to read French literature in the original French, or sociology textbooks in the original double Dutch."
17:15:01 <Arnia> But it really is an entity with Berkshire and Oxfordshire (just look at the boundaries between those three counties)
17:15:13 <Arnia> I don't know why the BBC lumps it in with Beds and Herts
17:15:30 <jcowan> Known airport codes relating to London (not all of which are airports)
17:15:54 <uche> Arnia, it's all politricks, anyway
17:16:18 <uche> Colorado is sometimes called "teh west", sometimes "the southwest", usually depending on politics
17:16:33 <jcowan> QQS St. Pancras, BQH Biggin Hill, ZLX British Rail Terminal, LGW Gatwick, LHR Heathrow, LCY London City, QQW Waterloo, LTN Luton, STN Stansted, ZEP Victoria.
17:16:46 <uche> (I'm glossing over "rocies", "great plains" (yes, east CO), etc.
17:16:59 <uche> Personally, I don't care
17:17:13 <uche> I *know* I don't live in California, so who cares how they classify me? :-)
17:17:27 <uche> * uche shudders at the prospect of living in Cali
17:17:28 <Arnia> uche: Yeah, but Bucks, Berks and Oxon are a unit in much the same way as Norfolk and Suffolk are
17:17:39 <jcowan> The Empty Quarter (The Nine Nations of N.A.)
17:17:47 <jcowan> The Northfolk and the Southfolk perhaps would not agree?
17:18:07 <Arnia> uche: Hate each other's guts, slag each other off constantly but still act very similarly
17:18:18 <jcowan> * jcowan remembers being puzzled as a child why Sussex County, N.J., should be the northernmost county in the state.
17:18:21 <uche> jcowan, how about Paddington?
17:18:30 <uche> And is King's Cross bundled in with St. Pancras?
17:18:40 <uche> (shouldn't be, though they're very close)
17:18:59 <Arnia> And Marylebone for that matter
17:19:03 <jcowan> uche: Ya got me. When I search for Paddington, the result says "Do you mean Abingdon?"
17:19:13 <Arnia> Abingdon, Paddington...
17:19:15 <Arnia> Meh
17:19:25 <jcowan> "Let's call the whole thing off!"
17:19:31 <Arnia> Nearest train stations to Abingdon are Radley and Oxford
17:19:40 <uche> jeez
17:19:41 <jcowan> Surely every whistle-stop in the country can't have an airport code, so there must be some special rules.
17:19:46 <Arnia> Which are on the same line as Paddington
17:20:13 <Arnia> * Arnia once walked from Abingdon to Radley whilst very very drunk
17:20:30 <Arnia> Got lost in an industrial estate stuck behind a barbed wire fence
17:20:33 <Arnia> That was fun
17:20:44 <uche> Well, Victoria is intl, but St. Pancras is not
17:20:50 <jcowan> Ah, Abingdon is an RAF airfield.
17:20:54 <uche> But Paddington is bigger than St. Pancras
17:20:58 <uche> Sop I don't see the pattern
17:21:19 <Ash> PADDINGTON BEAR
17:21:27 <Arnia> St Pancras is international now
17:21:31 <Arnia> Or will be in a few weeks
17:21:36 <uche> Arnia, oh?
17:21:42 <uche> Well maybe that's it, then
17:21:46 <uche> News to me
17:21:58 <Arnia> Yeah... the high-speed connection to the Channel Tunnel terminates at St Pancras
17:22:19 <uche> ?!
17:22:21 <uche> That shouldn't count
17:22:28 <uche> You have to go through Waterloo, right?
17:22:31 <Arnia> Nope
17:22:39 <uche> Definitely news, then
17:22:46 <Arnia> It goes through Stratford and curves around
17:22:52 <uche> When we took the chunnel 2 years ago, we had to go to Waterloo
17:22:57 <Arnia> Yeah, this is new
17:23:04 <uche> We'd have preferred St. Pancras, if available (closer to Luton)
17:23:22 <Arnia> It isn't even finished yet, although they're playing merry hell with Kings Cross services whilst they're building
17:23:30 <uche> sweet
17:23:34 <uche> OH!
17:23:40 <uche> Is *that* what they're building out there?
17:23:46 <Arnia> Yep
17:23:48 <uche> Last time, Kings cross was a right mess
17:24:02 <uche> Construction and confusing signs everywhere
17:24:07 <Arnia> They're redesigning the underground station to cope with the extra traffic too
17:24:14 <uche> Cool
17:24:21 <Arnia> Everytime I go through that station now it has changed layout again
17:24:26 <Arnia> Gets very confusing :)
17:24:28 <uche> Then they just have to figure otu how to keep out the terrorists
17:24:34 <Arnia> Hah
17:24:56 <Arnia> I'm so glad I didn't come back to Durham that morning
17:25:18 <Arnia> I would have got the 8.45 circle line service from Baker Street to Kings Cross St Pancras
17:27:12 <Arnia> Paddington is sort of an international station (if you count Wales as another country ;)
17:27:41 <Arnia> Kings Cross and Euston too if you count Scotland
17:29:39 <jcowan> RAF stations: Abingdon, Alconbury, Benson, Braintree/Wether, Brandon/Lakenheath, Brize Norton, Fairford, Fakenham/Sculthorp, Kings Lynn/Marham, Lossiemouth, Lyneham, Macrihanish, Newbury/Greenham, Oakham/Cottesmor, Odiham, Scampton, Suttonheath/Woodbridge, Upper Heyford, Waddington.
17:29:47 <jcowan> Plus black ones.
17:30:35 <Arnia> Nap Hill, Dawes Hill etc
17:30:40 <Arnia> Northolt
17:31:23 <Arnia> Although calling them 'black' is perhaps a bit of a joke. They're pretty obvious :p
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17:43:42 <jcowan> I assume these have IATA codes because it's at least plausible that civilian aircraft might land there in case of problems.
17:44:07 <Arnia> Yes. What's Booker's IATA code?
17:44:19 <Arnia> And Denham's
17:44:52 <jcowan> This page says there are none.
17:45:01 <Arnia> Denham Aerodrome is the failsafe point for Heathrow
17:45:21 <jcowan> Full list of UK locations at http://www.world-airport-codes.com/search/?Submit=1&searchWhat=countryabbrev&criteria=GB
17:46:20 <Arnia> Ah, Booker's is HYC (for High Wycombe, where it is)
17:49:19 <Arnia> It's interesting... I wouldn't call High Wycombe HYC, or Slough LHR but people do call Newcastle Ncl
17:49:37 <jcowan> L.A. people call their airport "lacks".
17:49:55 <Arnia> (High Wycombe is either 'Wycombe' or 'HW', Gerrards Cross is 'GX')
17:50:23 <Arnia> Oh I'm talking about the towns themselves
17:50:54 <Arnia> I say I go into 'GX' or 'Ncl' (in the case of GX I actually say that in verbal conversation as do many locals) when talking about the town
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17:52:28 <Morbus> phenny, tell kandinski i don't have any. i don't read game reviews too much from anyone in particular. subscribe to a bunch of game news sites, and if they happen to review it, i'll skim it *very* quickly.
17:52:31 <phenny> Morbus: 13:44Z <kandinski> ask Morbus about his three favourite game review sites
17:52:34 <phenny> Morbus: I'll pass that on when kandinski is around.
17:52:44 <Morbus> phenny: 0wned.
17:53:11 <Arnia> How the hell did you do that?
17:53:35 <Morbus> I can't tell you.
17:53:48 <jcowan> If he did he'd have to kill you.
17:53:52 <Morbus> sup jc!
17:53:59 <Arnia> * Arnia zombifies himself
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17:54:33 <Arnia> D'oh!
17:54:39 <Arnia> Just realised how to do something
17:54:42 <Arnia> * Arnia runs off to do it
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18:30:45 <Arnia> * Arnia looks back
18:32:16 <kpreid> * kpreid looks forward
18:33:22 <Arnia> * Arnia merges with kpreid in a Janus style fashion
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19:12:28 <jcowan> * jcowan wonders just what it was Arnia thinks Morbus did that anyone else can't do.
19:12:58 <jcowan> * jcowan figures it out: Morbus has private access to phenny's message queue.
19:13:14 <Morbus> I can't say anything about that.
19:17:59 <Arnia> * Arnia eats Morbus
19:19:58 <kandinski> Now Playing: EVERYONE ELSE HAS HAD MORE SEX THAN ME by Tism
19:20:00 <phenny> kandinski: 17:52Z <Morbus> tell kandinski i don't have any. i don't read game reviews too much from anyone in particular. subscribe to a bunch of game news sites, and if they happen to review it, i'll skim it *very* quickly.
19:28:09 <deltab> Lost starts in a few minutes on Channel Four
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20:18:59 <jcowan> Itty-re-whonk!
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20:31:02 <JibberJim> hmm, petrol stations have mostly 3 digit displays with a hardcoded . what do the places charging 100p do ?
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20:54:55 <jcowan> Itty-re-re-whonk!
20:55:00 <jcowan> (having problems with Windows today)
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22:35:13 <jcowan> Ittywhonk for good and all.
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23:39:33 <kpreid> @google fight revisible revisable
23:39:41 <supybot> kpreid: revisable: 24200, revisible: 856