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01:20:59 <jcowan> Ittywhonk!
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01:21:15 <crschmidt> howdy, jcowan
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01:22:37 <jcowan> Howdy dowdy, crschmidt.
01:22:40 <Arnia> * Arnia hands out sugar mice to all and sundry
01:23:15 <jcowan> * jcowan tries to use the sugar mouse, but it melts in his hand instead of moving the cursor properly.
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01:26:19 <lonur> * lonur thinks he can use sugar in his green tea, otherwise it's too medicini
01:26:27 <Arnia> * Arnia frowns at segfaults by the dozen
01:27:58 <Arnia> * Arnia throws sugar mice at the problem
01:28:39 <jcowan> It says here you can get sugar mice with a message of your choice written on them in edible ink for #0.95 each.
01:29:18 <jcowan> Indeed you get to specify the message if you don't like their selections.
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01:30:18 <Arnia> jcowan: They sell them a lot at the seaside
01:31:29 <jcowan> Aha. And are you at the seaside now?
01:31:36 <jcowan> [[[
01:31:39 <jcowan> Ladies, on whom my attentions have waited
01:31:39 <jcowan> If you consider my merits are small
01:31:39 <jcowan> Etiolated, alembicated,
01:31:39 <jcowan> Orotund, tasteless, fantastical,
01:31:39 <jcowan> Monotonous, crotchety, constipated,
01:31:40 <jcowan> Impotent galamatias
01:31:42 <jcowan> Affected, possibly imitated,
01:31:44 <jcowan> For Christ's sake stick it up your ass.
01:31:48 <jcowan> ]]] -- T.S. Eliot, "The Triumph of Bullshit"
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01:31:57 <Monty> howdy, Emeka
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01:32:46 <Arnia> jcowan: No, but I'm thinking about taking a trip out there this weekend
01:33:02 <Arnia> jcowan: When you live as close to such a nice beach as I do, it would be rude not to
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01:46:23 <Monty> Thank goodness, Emeka is back!
01:46:26 <phenny> Be quiet, Monty.
01:46:26 <Monty> =][
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01:50:48 <chimezie> .varBound $owlRules
01:50:48 <Emeka> There is no variable bound to that name
01:50:50 <phenny> chimezie: 17 Aug 21:51Z <uche_> tell chimezie this should work, and might be a circular import bug of some sort. Ping me and I can help diagnose
01:51:07 <chimezie> .varBound owlRules
01:51:07 <Emeka> $owlRules = http://metacognition.info/Rules/owl-rules-minimum.n3
01:51:15 <chimezie> .nsBind test http://copia.ogbuji.net/files/FuXi/test/
01:51:24 <chimezie> .reason $owlRules http://metacognition.info/FuXi/test/test-facts.n3 "test:Lion - rdf:type -> *"
01:51:41 <Emeka> Time to load rules/facts, reason, execute query, and load/remove inferred statements: 14 seconds
01:51:41 <Emeka> [u'test:Animal', u'test:LivingBeing']
01:51:44 <chimezie> loggy, pointer
01:51:44 <chimezie> See http://swhack.com/logs/2005-08-18#T01-51-44
01:52:43 <chimezie> crschmidt: during that particular run, 90% of the cpu was utilized for the 14 seconds needed to execute that reason/query bit
01:55:14 <chimezie> uche_: I was wondering if perhaps the Versa implementation had an extension hook along the lines of those for XPath/XSLT (I doubt it - those are much older software packages and their corresponding specs spell out the extension mechanism explicitely)
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02:28:39 <chimezie> Emeka, leave
02:28:39 <Emeka> chimezie: Goodbye!
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02:29:47 <chimezie> .help reason
02:29:48 <Emeka> .reason <varNameOrUri1> <varNameOrUri2> <recursionStep> "... Versa Expression ..."
02:29:50 <Emeka> Either (or both) of the first two arguments can be a 1) Uri 2) Versa variable reference ($varName) bound to a string or 3) a Versa variable reference bound to a list/set of strings (each of which is treated as an individual RDF graph to parse into the model). The first set of graphs are loaded as rules and the second set are loaded as facts. The third argument represents the number of times to follow/parse rdfs:seeAlso properties. The final argument
02:34:14 <crschmidt> oop
02:34:17 <crschmidt> that got cut off
02:34:22 <crschmidt> does .help not go through the julie-splitter stuff?
02:39:25 <chimezie> it does, but that last line wasn't cut off before it reached the maximum length for the tell function
02:39:28 <chimezie> Emeka, leave
02:39:28 <Emeka> chimezie: Goodbye!
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02:39:52 <crschmidt> oh
02:40:01 <crschmidt> so the arbitrary 450 limit I picked didn't work, is that what your'e saying?
02:40:36 <chimezie> well, I assumed you picked it because it was a standard minimum of some sort to avoid flood protection (which differs from channel to channel)
02:40:48 <crschmidt> no, it's 512 characters per line
02:40:51 <crschmidt> but it's for the entire IRC line
02:42:38 <chimezie> The julie splitter code splits it into two chunks text[:450] and text[450:900] if it's over 450
02:42:44 <chimezie> at least the version i have
02:42:56 <chimezie> so it cuts of anything over 900 characters
02:42:56 <crschmidt> yep
02:42:59 <crschmidt> oh
02:43:17 <crschmidt> well... that wasn't 900 characters
02:43:43 <crschmidt> it only showed the first line
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02:45:29 <chimezie> .help reason
02:45:30 <Emeka> .reason <varNameOrUri1> <varNameOrUri2> <recursionStep> "... Versa Expression ..."
02:45:32 <Emeka> Either (or both) of the first two arguments can be a 1) Uri 2) Versa variable reference bound to a string or 3) a Versa variable reference bound to a list/set of strings (each of which is treated as a RDF graph to parse into the model).
02:45:36 <Emeka> The first set of graphs are loaded as rules and the second set are loaded as facts. The third argument is the number of times to follow/parse rdfs:seeAlso relationships. The final argument is an expression to invoke on the final graph (expanded by inferred statements)
02:45:38 <chimezie> better
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02:54:43 <lonur> .help help
02:55:40 <lonur> phenny: tell chimezie that it's a cool bot he is building
02:55:42 <phenny> lonur: I'll pass that on when chimezie is around.
02:56:46 <chimezie> ty lonur :)
02:56:49 <phenny> chimezie: 02:55Z <lonur> tell chimezie that it's a cool bot he is building
02:57:34 <lonur> very useful to techies, and can probably be applied to all. then you can sell the bot to chatrooms :)
02:59:23 <chimezie> too bad I can't bill for the time I've burned on it
02:59:48 <chimezie> .varBound foafRules
02:59:48 <Emeka> $foafRules = http://metacognition.info/Rules/FOAFMining.n3
03:00:19 <lonur> just look at your potential customers (number of chatrooms)
03:02:50 <chimezie> .reason $foafRules http://swig.xmlhack.com/index.rss "properties(type(emeka:RelatedToPerson))"
03:03:32 <chimezie> .reason $foafRules http://swig.xmlhack.com/index.rss 0 "properties(type(emeka:RelatedToPerson))"
03:03:35 <Emeka> Time to load rules/facts, reason, execute query, and load/remove inferred statements: 0 seconds
03:03:35 <Emeka> set([u'n3-reify:object', u'rdf:type', u'rss:items', u'<http://usefulinc.com/ns/chump#contributedAt>', u'<http://usefulinc.com/ns/chump#contributor>', u'rss:description', u'rss:title', u'foaf:nick', u'log:implies', u'n3-reify:statement', u'rdf:_1', u'n3-reify:predicate', u'content:encoded', u'rss:link', u'n3-reify:subject'])
03:05:07 <chimezie> .reason $foafRules http://swig.xmlhack.com/index.rss 0 "(type(emeka:RelatedToPerson) |- rss:title -> *) - rss:title -> *"
03:05:10 <Emeka> Ft.Rdf.Parsers.Versa.RuntimeException: There is no context currently defined. You may have used "." where you meant "'.'"
03:05:15 <jcowan> Ittywhonk!
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03:06:26 <lonur> it's even better. if i read correctly what you are doing is teaching programming method. students can sure learn lots from this
03:07:27 <lonur> once ready, I can imagine some comp sci profs want to lease the program for use in his homework assignment
03:09:11 <chimezie> That would be nice. Though to be honest the idea of RDF querying through IRC has been done before (as I found out in retrospect). The biggest return for me is the progress I make
03:10:35 <chimezie> http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2000/scribe-bot/ for instance
03:10:44 <crschmidt> yeah, and w4
03:10:47 <crschmidt> er, wh4
03:10:53 <crschmidt> and julie
03:10:57 <chimezie> :)
03:11:05 <crschmidt> but yours is the first versabased... ;)
03:16:50 <chimezie> too bad http://esw.w3.org/topic/SemanticWebDOAPBulletinBoard isn't automated
03:18:00 <chimezie> * chimezie needs to holler at libby
03:20:15 <crschmidt> automated from what?
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03:21:21 <chimezie> the pending entries validated and added as ADTF entries, with all the validated DOAP graphs available as a single graph
03:22:41 <chimezie> I think that's how the FOAF Bulletin board is managed, if I'm not mistaken
03:23:48 <lonur> sometime the win goes not to the first entrant, but the one who keeps plodding along
03:24:11 <crschmidt> oh, they changed it at some point
03:24:14 <crschmidt> no, it's not
03:24:19 <crschmidt> people just edit it and add themselves
03:25:17 <chimezie> yeah, that's what I just had to do w/ Emeka's DOAP..
03:26:53 <chimezie> .query http://python.codezoo.com/cs/user/run/component/4385?x-r=doap "type(foaf:Person) - foaf:name -> *"
03:26:56 <Emeka> Sorry chimezie, but I wasn't able to parse that RDF source
03:27:28 <crschmidt> man, they totally broke my parser for that page, too
03:27:47 <Arnia> Woah... now that is umm... fun
03:28:02 <Arnia> I just managed to crash the panel with my extension for VFS
03:28:41 <chimezie> shame.. I was hoping some software repository would have a converter to compliant DOAP by now
03:28:59 <chimezie> * chimezie wishes freshmeat or rpmfind.net get on the bandwagon
03:29:38 <chimezie> .g doap export repository
03:29:40 <phenny> doap export repository: http://usefulinc.com/doap
03:33:00 <Arnia> chimezie: Ubuntu are planning to use DOAP for all their repository... so that may make it upstream to Sid
03:33:33 <crschmidt> There's no motivation for either content providers or implementors to touch DOAP
03:33:44 <chimezie> sweet
03:33:50 <crschmidt> at the moment
03:34:40 <chimezie> i would think *any* unified standard software repository format (whether RDF or micoformat) would be valuable
03:35:17 <crschmidt> why?
03:36:41 <chimezie> well they would be able to draw more users mostly because of the ability to cross reference software w/out much effort
03:37:57 <chimezie> not to mention being accessible from more that just the browser
03:39:36 <Arnia> They're looking to use DOAP to allow easier management of distributed development plus the inclusion of a greater variety of information in their packages in an extensible way
03:40:11 <Arnia> They're building a desktop 'software map' which will allow users to easily locate software that matches their needs
03:58:43 <chimezie> .news $planetswhack 1
03:58:44 <Emeka> [u'"Morbus Iff: Web Apps with Tiger: Getting Started" - http://www.disobey.com/dnn/2005/08/index.shtml#001689', u'"What Planet is This?: Verbogenise Away!" - http://inamidst.com/notes/verbogenise']
03:59:11 <chimezie> .news $planetpython 1
03:59:12 <Emeka> [u'"Richard Jones\' Stuff: On the uptake of Python\'s Package Index" - http://www.mechanicalcat.net/richard/log/Python/Musings_on_Python_s_Package_Index', u'"Dirt Simple: Doing It Anyway" - http://dirtsimple.org/2005/08/doing-it-anyway.html', u'"Mike Fletcher: Looks like it\'s going to be one of those days" - http://blog.vrplumber.com/987', u'"Mike Fletcher: Coffeeshop conversations" - http://blog.vrplumber.com/986', u'"Diary - Andrew Kuchling: C
03:59:12 <Emeka> ontract signed!" - http://www.amk.ca/diary/archives/004078.html', u'"Mike Fletcher: Why ctypes for OpenGL?" - http://blog.vrplumber.com/989', u'"Mike Fletcher: Oh yes, definitely one of those days" - http://blog.vrplumber.com/988', u'"Small Values of Cool - Simon Brunning: All Quiet" - http://www.brunningonline.net/simon/blog/archives/001909.html', u'"Second p0st - Phillip Pearson: Cooperative Linux" - http://www.myelin.co.nz/post/2005/8/17/#2005
04:00:21 <chimezie> .news http://www.dehora.net/journal/atom.xml 1
04:00:23 <Emeka> [u'"Automated mapping between RDF and forms, part I" - http://www.dehora.net/journal/2005/08/automated_mapping_between_rdf_and_forms_part_i.html']
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04:49:18 <Monty> hi xower
04:58:54 <lonur> .w epidemiology
04:58:57 <phenny> epidemiology 1. the branch of medical science dealing with the transmission and control of disease
04:59:27 <lonur> .w nutrition
04:59:30 <phenny> nutrition 1. (physiology) the organic process of nourishing or being nourished
04:59:33 <phenny> nutrition 2. a source of materials to nourish the body
04:59:37 <phenny> nutrition 3. the scientific study of food and drink (especially in humans) [...]
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05:16:49 <bjoern_> of fuck, the end is near.
05:17:47 <bjoern_> wait, not before 13 april 2029.
05:18:02 <bjoern_> that's good then.
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08:45:55 <lonur> .w investiculitis
08:45:58 <phenny> I couldn't find investiculitis in WordNet.
08:47:27 <lonur> .w vasculitis
08:47:30 <phenny> vasculitis 1. inflammation of a blood vessel
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08:51:48 <Monty> hey Cloud
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09:10:21 <Monty> hey schepers
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10:54:40 <shapr> hoi libby
10:55:04 <libby> * libby waves
10:55:47 <crschmidt> mornin
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11:16:23 <sbp> just installed http://platypus.mozdev.org/
11:16:25 <sbp> and it is absolutely awesome
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11:30:10 <Arnia> sbp: Scary concept :)
11:30:40 <shapr> Oh I like it!
11:31:21 <Arnia> I like it... but it is still scary :)
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12:33:26 <pixel> hmm. so it'slike a GUI fpor building greasemonkey scripts
12:33:30 <pixel> that's pretty nice.
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13:14:18 <jcowan> Ittywhonk!
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13:18:16 <crschmidt> morning
13:23:57 <Arnia> * Arnia does a little dance
13:24:03 <Arnia> It is alive!
13:27:04 <Arnia> How is everyone today?
13:28:29 <crschmidt> tired
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13:35:33 <jcowan> Me too.
13:37:15 <Arnia> Yeah. I'm feeling knackered myself after getting this to work. What's everyone up to?
13:37:57 <crschmidt> Trying to finish up a couple of outstanding projects so I can move onto the more interesting stuff I've got coming up
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13:49:50 <chimezie_> * chimezie_ is trying to wrap up a RDBMS -> XML/RDF conversion effort so he can meet his manuscript deadline.. so much to do so little time
13:49:52 <phenny> chimezie_: 04:49Z <uche_> tell chimezie_ yes the Versa implementation has extension hooks
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14:11:16 <crschmidt> phenny: tell chimezie* http://copia.ogbuji.net/ is probably a really bad homepage to use, given that it applies to both he and uche, which means they are the same person.
14:11:18 <phenny> crschmidt: I'll pass that on when chimezie* is around.
14:11:33 <jcowan> I don't think that * works.
14:11:46 <jcowan> phenny: tell crschmi* that probably won't work.
14:11:48 <phenny> jcowan: I'll pass that on when crschmi* is around.
14:11:58 <crschmidt> phenny: tell jcowa* he's wrong ;)
14:12:01 <phenny> crschmidt: 14:11Z <jcowan> tell crschmidt that probably won't work.
14:12:03 <phenny> crschmidt: I'll pass that on when jcowa* is around.
14:12:20 <crschmidt> I was trying to come up with a clever way to do that, but you beat me to it.
14:12:21 <jcowan> Oh well, what the hell, doodly doodly doo.
14:12:23 <phenny> jcowan: 14:12Z <crschmidt> tell jcowan he's wrong ;)
14:13:06 <jcowan> Now that's funky. Phenny acknowledges using the wildcard, but your message is stored with the wildcard expanded.
14:13:41 <jsled> jsled is now known as jcowam
14:13:47 <jcowam> hmm.
14:13:58 <jcowam> phenny: tell jsle* mumble-foo
14:14:01 <phenny> jcowam: I'll pass that on when jsle* is around.
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14:14:08 <jslep> .
14:14:10 <phenny> jslep: 14:13Z <jcowam> tell jslep mumble-foo
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14:14:17 <crschmidt> No, it's expanded when it's sent.
14:14:41 <jcowan> Oho.
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14:15:17 <jcowam> phenny: tell jcowa* foo bar
14:15:19 <phenny> jcowam: I'll pass that on when jcowa* is around.
14:15:33 <jcowam> jcowam is now known as jcowal
14:15:41 <jcowal> foo
14:15:43 <phenny> jcowal: 14:15Z <jcowam> tell jcowal foo bar
14:15:55 <jcowal> phenny: tell jcowa* foo bar jcowa*
14:15:57 <phenny> jcowal: I'll pass that on when jcowa* is around.
14:16:03 <jcowal> jcowal is now known as jcowan
14:16:07 <jcowan> nork nork
14:16:10 <phenny> jcowan: 14:15Z <jcowal> tell jcowan foo bar jcowa*
14:16:18 <jcowan> Okay, only the first use is expanded.
14:16:35 <crschmidt> only the actual name it's being delivered to, right.
14:17:11 <crschmidt> each bit is stored seperately: the reminders are a dict of {from, verb, to, time}
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14:22:11 <jcowan> Ho, it is teh Morbus, back from his mission of trampling the many at the commands of the few!
14:22:23 <Morbus> ROWR
14:22:41 <jcowan> Monty, acronym ROWR
14:22:41 <Monty> "ROWR" - rdfs:comment operation write repeatedly
14:22:51 <jcowan> Right on, Montykins.
14:22:55 <Monty> "It's rather strange that at mobymemory sell the beer after you find rule there =P
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14:26:24 <uche_> phenny, tell chimezie re: what crschmidt said, we have to figure out why chimezie.ogbuji.net is dead
14:26:26 <phenny> uche_: I'll pass that on when chimezie is around.
14:27:12 <crschmidt> what's dead about it?
14:27:18 <chimezie> eh?
14:27:20 <phenny> chimezie: 14:26Z <uche_> tell chimezie re: what crschmidt said, we have to figure out why chimezie.ogbuji.net is dead
14:27:23 <chimezie> what did you say crschmidt?
14:27:24 <phenny> chimezie: 14:11Z <crschmidt> tell chimezie http://copia.ogbuji.net/ is probably a really bad homepage to use, given that it applies to both he and uche, which means they are the same person.
14:27:41 <chimezie> hehe
14:28:09 <uche_> good old phenny
14:28:11 <chimezie> oh.. well it was never supposed to be my homepage , just a weblog for the both of us. http://chimezie.ogbuji.net was my home page but has been down for agges
14:28:23 <chimezie> so now http://metacognition.info serves that purpose (mostly)
14:28:41 <uche_> chimezie, do you want me to redirect http://chimezie.ogbuji.net to http://metacognition.info ?
14:28:46 <uche_> That should be easy
14:28:57 <chimezie> could you (for now) eventually I'd l ike to put non technical content there
14:28:59 <chimezie> thx :)
14:29:30 <crschmidt> chimezie: also, your email address isn't very accessible
14:29:40 <uche_> OK, but all I see at thet URL is a 4Suite raw container
14:29:41 <chimezie> from metacognition or in general?
14:29:46 <crschmidt> chimezie: you might consider adding it to your FOAF file
14:29:55 <crschmidt> chimezie: well, neither DanC nor I could find it immediately, vis #swig
14:29:56 <chimezie> doh.. that should be http://metacogition.info/index.html
14:30:10 <chimezie> good idea.. thx all i ihave is the sha1 hash
14:30:21 <crschmidt> spelled right
14:30:23 <crschmidt> http://metacognition.info/index.html
14:30:26 <chimezie> while we are on that topic :)
14:30:43 <chimezie> crschmidt could you have the root redidrect to index.html? (until I figure out how to do the redirect in 4suite)?
14:31:12 <crschmidt> maybe...
14:31:14 <crschmidt> * crschmidt goes to look
14:31:24 <chimezie> kay
14:31:34 <crschmidt> I'm pretty sure I just redirect everything to your port, I'm not sure if I have the ability to do redirects before it gets there
14:31:36 <chimezie> * chimezie updates his foaf
14:31:42 <chimezie> hmm..
14:32:20 <chimezie> well i guess I"ll have to rely on the internal 4suite server to do the redirect. I have the same problem w/ Emeka/Fuxis home pages.. /Emeka and /FuXi point to repository containers
14:32:29 <chimezie> .varBound
14:32:29 <Emeka> Variables bound:['wordNetBaseUri', 'owlRules', 'planetrdf', 'chimeziesBookmarks', 'rdfsOnt', 'rssTitlesAndLinks', 'lifeHacker', 'foafRules', 'skosCoreOnt', 'deFuze', 'rssDates', 'xmlAkara', 'swigNotes', 'ccOnt', 'rdfOnt', 'planetxml', 'dcOnt', 'iCalOnt', 'rssTitles', 'rssOnt', 'slashdot', 'worldNews', 'doapOnt', 'foafOnt', 'rssDateFilter', 'planetpython', 'copia', 'relOnt', 'rdfsRules', 'owlOnt', 'ontRules', 'planetswhack', 'wotOnt', 'wotd']
14:33:02 <chimezie> .queryFeed $xmlAkara "type(rss:item) |- rss:title -> contains('Rules')"
14:33:15 <Emeka> []
14:33:22 <chimezie> .queryFeed $xmlAkara "type(rss:item) |- rss:title -> contains('Server')"
14:33:35 <Emeka> []
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14:35:20 <chimezie> .queryFeed $xmlAkara "type(rss:item) |- rss:title -> contains('server')"
14:35:33 <Emeka> [u'<http://uche.ogbuji.net/tech/akara/nodes/2003-01-01/server>', u'<http://uche.ogbuji.net/tech/akara/nodes/2003-01-01/servers>']
14:35:44 <uche_> chimezie, done
14:35:49 <chimezie> thx much
14:35:50 <uche_> toldja it was easy :-)
14:35:53 <crschmidt> chimezie: yeah, I tried to set up the Alias, and it didn't work
14:36:17 <uche_> Do you want me to link to http://chimezie.ogbuji.net or directly to http://metacognition.info from Copia?
14:36:33 <uche_> and BTW, please don't be shy to request such things
14:36:46 <uche_> I completely forgot about metacognition, or I'd have done this ages ago
14:37:01 <chimezie> okay, could you link to http://metacognition.info ?
14:37:14 <uche_> chimezie, redirect in 4suite is easy
14:37:21 <uche_> do you have a server resource?
14:37:25 <chimezie> yes
14:37:43 <uche_> OK. You can either redirect one URL, or use a rule to redirect by pattern
14:37:57 <chimezie> yeah im reading (http://lists.fourthought.com/pipermail/4suite-dev/2002-June/000209.html) now
14:38:01 <chimezie> very effective
14:38:10 <uche_> cool
14:38:18 <uche_> lemeknow if you have any Qs/Probs
14:38:22 <chimezie> alrighty
14:39:01 <chimezie> those only mention xslt transform rules
14:39:25 <uche_> * uche_ finds a sample...
14:41:04 <uche_> <Redirect src='/'>/index.html</Redirect>
14:41:24 <chimezie> ahh splendid
14:41:26 <chimezie> thx
14:44:10 <chimezie> ^q select ?prop where {?person foaf:nick "crschmidt";?prop ?val}
14:44:24 <julie> kiss:kissed (x5), rel:lifePartnerOf, foaf:mbox_sha1sum (x11), foaf:page, foaf:knows (x65), foaf:workplaceHomepage, xfn:co-resident (x2), foaf:interest (x2), foaf:depiction, xfn:sweetheart, tipjar:hasTipjar, foaf:weblog, astrology:Sign, foaf:nick (x10), foaf:myersBriggs, rel:parentOf (x2), foaf:geekCode, rdfs:seeAlso (x9), foaf:name, bio:olb, foaf:msnChatID, foaf:homepage (x10), foaf:aimChatID, foaf:yahooChatID, rdf:type (x10), foaf:currentProject
14:44:24 <julie> (x2), foaf:plan, foaf:icqChatID, foaf:based_near, foaf:mbox (x2)
14:45:00 <crschmidt> ^available crschmidt
14:45:09 <julie> kiss:kissed (x5), rel:lifePartnerOf, foaf:mbox_sha1sum (x11), foaf:page, foaf:knows (x65), foaf:workplaceHomepage, xfn:co-resident (x2), foaf:interest (x2), foaf:depiction, xfn:sweetheart, tipjar:hasTipjar, foaf:weblog, astrology:Sign, foaf:nick (x10), foaf:myersBriggs, rel:parentOf (x2), foaf:geekCode, rdfs:seeAlso (x9), foaf:name, bio:olb, foaf:msnChatID, foaf:homepage (x10), foaf:aimChatID, foaf:yahooChatID, rdf:type (x10), foaf:currentProject
14:45:09 <chimezie> .query $foafOnt "foaf:mbox - list(rdfs:label,rdfs:comment) -> *"
14:45:09 <julie> (x2), foaf:plan, foaf:icqChatID, foaf:based_near, foaf:mbox (x2)
14:45:13 <Emeka> Querying against 560 triples
14:45:13 <Emeka> [u'personal mailbox', u"A personal mailbox, ie. an Internet mailbox associated with exactly one owner, the first owner of this mailbox. This is a 'static inverse functional property', in that there is (across time and change) at most one individual that ever has any particular value for foaf:mbox."]
14:45:21 <crschmidt> ooh, that's handy
14:45:26 <crschmidt> do they always come out in the order you ask for them?
14:45:55 <chimezie> yeah.. I believe so but it's not mandated by the spec. But the implementation matches them in the order they appear in the property list
14:46:48 <uche_> chimezie, I updated the copia front page, but you don't yet have that redirect in place
14:47:06 <crschmidt> .query http://crschmidt.net/meta/locations "all() - list(dc:title, http://www.w3.org/2001/vcard-rdf/3.0#Region) -> *"
14:47:08 <Emeka> exceptions.IOError: [Errno 5] Input/output error
14:47:18 <crschmidt> .query http://crschmidt.net/meta/locations "all() - list(dc:title, vc:Region) -> *"
14:47:20 <Emeka> exceptions.IOError: [Errno 5] Input/output error
14:47:23 <crschmidt> hrm.
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14:47:26 <chimezie> eh?
14:47:58 <chimezie> .query http://crschmidt.net/meta/locations "all() |- vc:Region -> *"
14:48:01 <Emeka> Ft.Xml.XPath.RuntimeException: Undefined namespace prefix: "vc".
14:48:16 <crschmidt> .query http://crschmidt.net/meta/locations "all() - list(dc:title, http://www.w3.org/2001/vcard-rdf/3.0#Region) -> *"
14:48:19 <Emeka> Ft.Rdf.Parsers.Versa.CompiletimeException: Versa parse error at line 0, column 0: parse error at line 1, column 73: reached end-of-input, expecting 'QNAME' or 'PURE_QNAME' or 'ASTERISK' or 'DOT' or 'LEFT_PAREN' or 'LEFT_CURLY' or 'STRING_LITERAL' or 'NUMBER_LITERAL' or 'TRUE' or 'FALSE' or 'AT' or 'DOLLAR'
14:48:23 <chimezie> .nsBind vc http://www.w3.org/2001/vcard-rdf/3.0#
14:48:27 <chimezie> .query http://crschmidt.net/meta/locations "all() |- vc:Region -> *"
14:48:29 <Emeka> Querying against 21 triples
14:48:29 <Emeka> [u'<http://crschmidt.net/meta/locations#valleyst>', u'<http://crschmidt.net/meta/locations#wedu>', u'<http://crschmidt.net/meta/locations#erie>']
14:48:34 <crschmidt> .query http://crschmidt.net/meta/locations "all() - list(dc:title, vc:Region) -> *"
14:48:36 <Emeka> Querying against 21 triples
14:48:36 <Emeka> [u'wed\xfc', u'The Commune 2.0', u'NH', u'NH', u'MA']
14:48:43 <crschmidt> hm.
14:48:47 <crschmidt> that wasn't quite what I was expecting
14:48:54 <crschmidt> I was hoping that it would distribute them
14:49:17 <chimezie> well you could group them using the distribute function
14:49:44 <uche_> crschmidt, that's a reasonable hope
14:49:45 <chimezie> .query http://crschmidt.net/meta/locations "distribute(all() |- vc:Region -> *,'. - dc:title -> *','. - vc:Region -> *')"
14:49:48 <Emeka> Querying against 21 triples
14:49:48 <Emeka> [[[], [u'NH']], [[u'wed\xfc'], [u'NH']], [[u'The Commune 2.0'], [u'MA']]]
14:50:02 <uche_> It's one of the things I have on the docket for our current Versa 2.0 discussions
14:50:12 <crschmidt> what's with the "." in those?
14:50:24 <chimezie> execute the traversal operator on the current context
14:50:26 <uche_> I think that if we find a host good variable binding for Versa, that problem will fall away
14:50:33 <chimezie> on each resource that has a vc:Region propertyy defined on it
14:50:34 <uche_> "." is as it is in XPath, pretty much
14:50:41 <crschmidt> yeah, that means nothing to me though
14:50:43 <BeHappy_> ufh
14:50:48 <chimezie> .help distribute
14:50:49 <Emeka> distribute(list, string, [string, [...]])
14:50:49 <Emeka> distribute converts the first argument into a list. The second and subsequent arguments (the query arguments) are strings that are interpreted as Versa queries. It uses each item in the list as the context for evaluating each of the query arguments. The result is a list of lists; each entry in the outer list is a list containing the results from evaluating each of the query arguments in order using the Nth list item as context.
14:50:50 <uche_> "current item in context"
14:50:51 <BeHappy_> this redland-python is driving me crazy
14:51:02 <chimezie> that's probably the most complex of all the functions
14:51:20 <crschmidt> BeHappy_: ooh, what is it?
14:51:22 <BeHappy_> Exception exceptions.TypeError: "'NoneType' object is not callable" in <bound method World.__del__ of <RDF.World object at 0x50c3e530>> ignored
14:51:31 <uche_> chimezie, yeah, and I think we can almost eliminate distribute in 2.0
14:51:54 <crschmidt> BeHappy_: hm. do you know where the code is happening? Sounds like something you wouldn't normally see
14:52:07 <BeHappy_> that's the exception i get when the interpreter exits
14:52:18 <BeHappy_> and the model is not saved
14:52:22 <crschmidt> BeHappy_: are you, at any time, deleting from a model while iterating over the same model?
14:52:36 <BeHappy_> no, i'm not deleting
14:52:36 <crschmidt> for i in m.find_statements(blah blah blah): delete i ?
14:52:40 <BeHappy_> no
14:52:43 <crschmidt> hm.
14:52:55 <crschmidt> can you reduce it to a small use case? I know I've seen the error before
14:53:06 <shapr> Can you run it in pdb and get a call stack?
14:53:10 <BeHappy_> he... sincerely not
14:53:15 <BeHappy_> that's a twisted application
14:53:27 <BeHappy_> and it gets called by twistd
14:53:31 <shapr> Oh
14:53:32 <BeHappy_> i dont know how to debug it
14:53:37 <crschmidt> BeHappy_: first of all, WHY DEAR GOD WHY, second of all, well, can you reduce the Redland aspect?
14:53:44 <crschmidt> Alternatively, drop me the code and I can take a look at it?
14:53:51 <BeHappy_> crschmidt, ofcourse
14:53:56 <BeHappy_> wait a bit
14:53:59 <shapr> You could write unit tests...
14:54:16 <Arnia> doctests are nice and easy to write
14:54:17 <BeHappy_> yeah, i'll do it
14:54:29 <chimezie> ^q select ?email where {?person foaf:nick "crschmidt";foaf:mbox ?email}
14:54:29 <julie> mailto:crschmid@uiuc.edu, mailto:crschmidt@crschmidt.net
14:54:43 <chimezie> uiuc alum?! for real?
14:54:48 <chimezie> small world
14:55:20 <shapr> I meant to learn twisted, but then I found Haskell's threading was better...
14:55:22 <BeHappy_> http://assenzio.homeip.net/Cazzate/assenzio.py
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14:56:13 <BeHappy_> btw
14:56:35 <BeHappy_> i try to test the redland stuff
14:56:52 <BeHappy_> i hope the problem is not deep in twisted stuff :/
14:57:28 <crschmidt> chimezie: yeah, apparently you and I both lived in Allen
14:57:34 <crschmidt> chimezie: not an alum though - dropout ;)
14:57:47 <chimezie> you were in Allen as well!?!!
14:57:48 <chimezie> wow
14:57:58 <chimezie> or Alien hall as i called it
14:58:12 <crschmidt> as the sign often said ;)
14:58:39 <crschmidt> hm. BeHappy_: is there any wya to pull the Zope stuff out, or is it deeply tied to that?
14:59:06 <shapr> Zope /= Twisted
14:59:11 <uche_> chimezie, sorry, I stole your thunder :-
14:59:14 <uche_> :-)
14:59:15 <BeHappy_> shapr, but twisted uses zope interfaces
14:59:27 <BeHappy_> crschmidt, i think i can pass it via instance variables
14:59:37 <uche_> chris and jessica mentioned Allen hall a while back and I told them that was your spot as well
15:00:09 <uche_> small, small world
15:00:34 <crschmidt> BeHappy_: I'm grabbing zope, hold on, i'll see if that ccan get me up and running
15:00:36 <shapr> BeHappy_: Oh, I didn't know that.
15:01:16 <BeHappy_> crschmidt, ockay, if you need other files (there are the .xml templates) i can put up a targz
15:01:43 <BeHappy_> shapr, yep, they've ported their implementation to use zope's one
15:01:46 <crschmidt> hm, apt-get install zope didn't install zope modules on Pythonpast
15:01:49 <crschmidt> path*
15:01:57 <BeHappy_> crschmidt, wait, it's not zope
15:02:01 <BeHappy_> its zope interface
15:02:15 <shapr> I've been off in the functional world for so long...
15:02:19 <crschmidt> ah
15:02:31 <BeHappy_> ii python2.3-zopeinterface 3.0.1-1 Python library for API definitions through interfaces
15:02:33 <shapr> I prefer Haskell over Python. I also think that each person should choose for themselves :-)
15:02:54 <BeHappy_> seems like half python world is doing programming by interfaces
15:02:54 <shapr> Python was my favorite fram Python 1.4 to Python 2.1 or so.
15:03:00 <shapr> fram och till
15:03:08 <shapr> Jag talar svenska...
15:03:08 <shapr> sheez
15:03:40 <crschmidt> BeHappy_: pointer for nevow?
15:03:45 <shapr> This is not a Swedish channel, and I'm not Swedish!
15:04:06 <BeHappy_> debian package python-nevow
15:04:33 <crschmidt> thanks
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15:07:20 <crschmidt> BeHappy_: eh. I'm not getting very far in this: can you try and run over what it's trying to do so far as redland goes?
15:07:49 <BeHappy_> crschmidt, i'm trying to not using the zope interfaces in the class FuffaRDF:
15:08:07 <BeHappy_> and passing it via instance methods
15:08:20 <BeHappy_> if this not work i'll try to write another program that uses that class
15:09:04 <crschmidt> BeHappy_: I wouldn't really typically worry about the exception unless it's causing problems
15:09:41 <crschmidt> thus the "ignored" at the end
15:10:01 <BeHappy_> neiter do i, but now the model is not saved
15:10:24 <BeHappy_> in the database
15:10:35 <crschmidt> hrm.
15:11:14 <crschmidt> well, i've got to get back to work for right now, but I may poke at it more - I'll let you know if I get anywhere, and you can let me know if you get something that's a bit more minimal
15:11:24 <BeHappy_> yep
15:11:43 <BeHappy_> thanx :))
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15:12:39 <Monty> yo nsh!
15:25:25 <chimezie> crschmidt: what's the physical specs on athena?
15:26:10 <sbp> .cp small.*ae.*ash
15:26:14 <phenny> 00E6: LATIN SMALL LETTER AE (æ)
15:26:17 <phenny> 01E3: LATIN SMALL LETTER AE WITH MACRON (ǣ)
15:26:20 <phenny> 01FD: LATIN SMALL LETTER AE WITH ACUTE (ǽ) [...]
15:26:45 <crschmidt> 2.0Ghz P4 with 512 MB of RAM and an 80GB IDE drive
15:32:52 <crschmidt> chimezie: did that answer your question
15:32:53 <crschmidt> ?
15:32:56 <chimezie> yes, thx
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15:39:45 <xover> @VeronicaMars~~
15:39:45 <supybot> xover: Error: "VeronicaMars~~" is not a valid command.
15:40:07 <xover> Bah! What's your "ambivalence operator" then supybot?
15:41:45 <xover> Quite impressive really, the show had a fan site with "save the show info" before the first season even finished airing, without any treaths from the studio or pleas from crew/cast members.
15:42:31 <xover> I guess it wouldn't be a true fan site if they couldn't sit around worrying it'd get taken off and campaigning to keep it running.
15:43:27 <xover> I swear, sometimes I think the studios shut down shows just to give fans something to whine about.
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15:48:13 <shapr> I think there's a big problem of supply and demand with TV.
15:48:18 <shapr> Same for schools too.
15:48:34 <shapr> Consumers can't influence the producers directly.
15:49:04 <shapr> Students can't give feedback about their education, TV lovers can't give feedback about their shows.
15:51:18 <chimezie> .query http://purl.org/net/chimezie/foaf "(type(foaf:Person) |- foaf:nick -> eq('chimezie')) - foaf:mbox -> *"
15:51:21 <Emeka> Querying against 72 triples
15:51:21 <Emeka> []
15:54:44 <crschmidt> no mbox in that file
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16:13:38 <Arnia> Ok, made an initial release: http://www.dur.ac.uk/j.r.c.geldart/projects/hound-dog/
16:15:45 <jsled> Arnia: nice.
16:19:38 <Arnia> Thanks. Once you get an itch to scratch...
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16:32:46 <chimezie> sbp: my Tao Te Ching translation of choice has been jane english / Gia . I wasn't aware of the one you mentioned in that article
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16:39:08 <BeHappy_> ok
16:39:18 <BeHappy_> that exception was a redland-python bug
16:39:26 <crschmidt> * crschmidt nods
16:39:42 <BeHappy_> i've made a simple workaround but the problem in my code still exist :)
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16:58:57 <edsu> has anyone ever run across a delicious/quicksilver app?
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18:02:06 <Arnia> uche_: ayt?
18:02:39 <uche_> just leaving, sorry
18:02:46 <uche_> ping me in 90 mins or so
18:02:48 <Arnia> np
18:02:49 <Arnia> ok
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18:16:07 <parsec_> yo
18:18:44 <Arnia> oy
18:22:43 <sbp> hi
18:23:09 <sbp> so
18:23:10 <sbp> er
18:23:11 <sbp> hm
18:23:40 <crschmidt> uh
18:23:48 <sbp> hi
18:23:52 <crschmidt> hi
18:24:01 <crschmidt> er
18:24:32 <sbp> mu
18:24:35 <parsec_> ho
18:24:38 <jsled> eh
18:24:45 <parsec_> mo
18:24:51 <sbp> no
18:24:52 <sbp> mu
18:24:58 <parsec_> ta
18:24:59 <parsec_> te
18:25:00 <parsec_> tu
18:25:03 <sbp> yw
18:25:03 <sbp> np
18:25:09 <parsec_> la
18:25:10 <parsec_> li
18:25:10 <crschmidt> gl
18:25:11 <parsec_> vi
18:25:12 <crschmidt> hf
18:25:13 <parsec_> go
18:25:32 <crschmidt> bo
18:25:32 <sbp> go
18:25:33 <sbp> vn
18:25:39 <parsec_> ex
18:25:42 <parsec_> tm
18:25:47 <crschmidt> tx
18:25:49 <parsec_> ni
18:25:58 <crschmidt> ja
18:25:59 <sbp> ni
18:26:00 <sbp> he
18:26:05 <crschmidt> he
18:26:23 <Morbus> ah
18:26:27 <sbp> oh
18:26:27 <sbp> hi
18:26:31 <Morbus> eh
18:26:35 <sbp> ya
18:26:37 <crschmidt> oh
18:26:37 <Morbus> oh
18:26:39 <Morbus> ya
18:26:42 <crschmidt> ja
18:26:43 <jsled> ha
18:26:44 <Morbus> si
18:26:56 <sbp> ay
18:27:40 <sbp> o!
18:27:43 <sbp> fi
18:27:44 <sbp> hi
18:27:49 <shapr> sv
18:28:03 <sbp> M?
18:28:05 <sbp> fi
18:28:05 <sbp> hi
18:28:14 <shapr> pa
18:28:16 <crschmidt> ge
18:28:26 <sbp> M!
18:28:44 <Morbus> can I exec from an awk statement, instead of just printing?
18:28:49 <Morbus> like -exec in find?
18:29:16 <jsled> yea.... isn't it system(....)?
18:29:29 <sbp> [19:25] <sbp> o!
18:29:29 <sbp> [19:26] <sbp> fi
18:29:29 <sbp> [19:26] <sbp> hi
18:29:34 <sbp> -> (oh, fi says hi)
18:29:41 <Morbus> it looks like it.
18:29:50 <sbp> [19:26] <sbp> M?
18:29:50 <sbp> [19:26] <sbp> fi
18:29:50 <sbp> [19:26] <sbp> hi
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18:29:55 <sbp> (Morbus? fi says hi)
18:29:57 <sbp> [19:26] <sbp> M!
18:29:59 <sbp> (Morbus!)
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18:30:19 <crschmidt> farewell, eme... oh
18:30:24 <sbp> <Morbus> say my M! say my M!
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18:33:42 <parsec> ok
18:33:45 <parsec> that was fucked up
18:33:47 <parsec> you bastards hung my box
18:33:59 <edsu> two letter sequences got you again?
18:34:00 <parsec_> parsec_ has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
18:34:28 <parsec> I think there is an error in the way my computer accesses two digits
18:34:38 <crschmidt> shall we experiment?
18:34:53 <parsec> do you have poc of my reboot?
18:35:06 <crschmidt> @acronym poc
18:35:11 <parsec> hahaah
18:35:14 <parsec> Proof of Concept
18:35:15 <supybot> crschmidt: poc could be Paid Outside of Closing (real estate), or Particulate Organic Carbon, or Piece Of Cake, or Pile Of Crap, or Point Of Contact, or Port Of Call, or Metal Powder Cutting (welding), or Paid on Call (firefighting), or Parents of Ostomy Children, or Passion of the Christ (movie), or Paxson Oil Company, or Payload Operations Center, or Pen of Chaos (French website), or (1 more message)
18:35:27 <parsec> proof of concept
18:35:28 <parsec> is like..
18:35:31 <crschmidt> i know.
18:35:34 <parsec> oh
18:35:34 <parsec> =]
18:35:35 <parsec> ok
18:35:42 <parsec> sorry
18:35:46 <parsec> i was just tryin to explain
18:36:07 <parsec> god i cant do anything right
18:36:08 <parsec> jesus christ
18:36:09 <parsec> heh
18:38:43 <parsec> i want a pretty website
18:38:55 <sbp> Add Pink(TM)
18:39:00 <parsec> hahaha
18:39:00 <parsec> ;p
18:39:17 <parsec> im going to create some crap
18:39:21 <parsec> its going to be so messy
18:39:27 <sbp> over a toilet, please
18:40:10 <parsec> you like that eh =]
18:40:20 <parsec> you know..
18:40:29 <parsec> hey sbp
18:40:32 <parsec> you know anyone that does gfx?
18:40:32 <sbp> no I don't, which is why I said over a toilet
18:41:00 <sbp> @acronym GFX
18:41:07 <supybot> sbp: GFX could be Global Effects, or Graphic Effect(s)
18:41:17 <parsec> sbp very good
18:41:20 <parsec> do you know anyone into gfx?
18:41:30 <sbp> d8uv is available to hire on an hourly basis
18:41:39 <sbp> he charges $55/hour
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18:42:58 <sbp> parsec? $55/hour. how long will your job take, do you think?
18:43:14 <sbp> I'll have to give him a rough estimate
18:43:15 <crschmidt> that's a pretty good rate
18:43:21 <sbp> * sbp nods
18:43:35 <sbp> his portfolio is excellent too. I use him for a lot of stuff
18:43:52 <crschmidt> previous employer charged $80-$90/hour for web design work
18:44:07 <parsec> hmm
18:44:10 <parsec> 55 an hour for gfx
18:44:12 <parsec> is too much
18:44:23 <parsec> is that actually the going rate?
18:44:23 <sbp> you won't find any better. this is like friend-deal level
18:44:38 <parsec> lets see his portfolio
18:44:51 <sbp> I'll get him to give it to you when he comes online
18:45:02 <parsec> k
18:46:21 <shapr> 55 an hour is cheap.
18:46:32 <thelsdj> yea, and someone good can do a lot in an hour
18:46:54 <shapr> Yeah, I have a friend who's a graphic designer, she's really really good.
18:46:56 <thelsdj> they won't charge you if they arn't actually accomplishing a lot
18:47:15 <parsec> i charge $300/hr for network installations
18:47:22 <parsec> that's cheap
18:47:35 <crschmidt> So what are you worried about? you work one hour, you can pay d8uv for 6
18:47:42 <thelsdj> i get paid crap :(
18:48:11 <parsec> hahaha
18:48:12 <shapr> I work for 500 euro a day, I'm dirt cheap too.
18:48:22 <parsec> 500 euros a day is dirty cheap?
18:48:22 <parsec> hahah
18:48:26 <parsec> i dont make 300 hour
18:48:27 <parsec> usually
18:48:31 <parsec> thats only wen i do contract work
18:48:40 <parsec> you think my office would pay a lowly sys admin 300 bux an hour
18:48:41 <parsec> HAHAAHHAHAAHAH
18:48:42 <parsec> ya right
18:48:42 <parsec> :)
18:48:54 <crschmidt> I think you're not a liar.
18:48:57 <crschmidt> But apparently I was mistaken.
18:49:04 <parsec> hahahah
18:49:13 <crschmidt> So I suppose it would be better to say "I thought you were not a liar."
18:49:16 <parsec> why would you call me a liar?
18:49:26 <sbp> because you lie like a fly with a booger in its eye
18:49:31 <crschmidt> You just lied.
18:49:33 <parsec> huh?
18:49:38 <sbp> lies!
18:49:39 <crschmidt> You said "I make $300 an hour"
18:49:42 <parsec> umm
18:49:44 <parsec> no
18:49:45 <parsec> read up
18:49:49 <crschmidt> then you said "Do you think my office would pay me 300 bux an hour?"
18:49:52 <parsec> parsec i charge $300/hr for network installations
18:50:01 <parsec> parsec i dont make 300 hour
18:50:02 <parsec> parsec usually
18:50:02 <parsec> parsec thats only wen i do contract work
18:50:05 <parsec> read the fucking text i tyope
18:50:06 <parsec> type.
18:50:12 <crschmidt> yawn.
18:50:14 <parsec> and don't call me a liar
18:50:17 <parsec> understand?
18:50:29 <parsec> or is this concept too complicated?
18:50:56 <sbp> * sbp chuckles
18:51:24 <shapr> parsec: I suspect you have repressed aggression and resentment. This isn't the place.
18:51:28 <thelsdj> woa, hostility!
18:51:37 <parsec> shapr: no prob
18:51:38 <sbp> THIS FUCKING IS THE PLACE SHAPR
18:51:44 <sbp> READ WHAT I AM TYPOS!
18:51:53 <parsec> haha
18:52:04 <sbp> Monty: are you looking at me?
18:52:09 <Monty> http://www.postneo.com/2005/08/17/django-generic-views-crud Matt's Django / improv shows
18:52:09 <parsec> i know
18:52:10 <sbp> BECAUSE I AM LOOKING AT YUO
18:52:12 <parsec> this place is fucking deadly
18:52:12 <crschmidt> * crschmidt snerks.
18:52:23 <parsec> you could get yourself hurt in a place like this
18:52:34 <thelsdj> we try
18:52:36 <sbp> ooh, Matt Croydon on Django
18:52:43 <crschmidt> His articles have been good
18:52:47 <parsec> no way
18:53:15 <edsu> edsu is now known as pompous-twit
18:53:38 <parsec> parsec is now known as ignorant-moron
18:53:52 <ignorant-moron> follow suit
18:54:02 <ignorant-moron> wow my sentences take up more room now too
18:54:57 <thelsdj> thelsdj is now known as retarded-crackhe
18:55:02 <retarded-crackhe> aww doesn't fit
18:55:21 <retarded-crackhe> retarded-crackhe is now known as thelsdj
18:55:30 <ignorant-moron> hahaha
18:55:33 <ignorant-moron> try this
18:55:53 <ignorant-moron> ignorant-moron is now known as retarded-crackh8
18:55:57 <retarded-crackh8> retarded-crackh8 is now known as retarded-crackhe
18:56:19 <retarded-crackhe> retarded-crackhe is now known as retard-crackhead
18:56:23 <retard-crackhead> there you go
18:56:23 <retard-crackhead> that works
18:56:24 <retard-crackhead> =]
18:56:33 <pompous-twit> pompous-twit is now known as edsu
18:56:36 <retard-crackhead> oh fuck this sucks
18:56:48 <retard-crackhead> remember that 2 digit crash I experienced? It whiped out my entire email folder
18:56:51 <retard-crackhead> im so screwed
18:57:30 <shapr> Are you using windows or something?
18:57:33 <sbp> what kind of crash takes out just your mail folder?
18:57:37 <sbp> didn't you have backups?
18:59:29 <retard-crackhead> haha
18:59:42 <retard-crackhead> of course i do
18:59:45 <retard-crackhead> not..
18:59:46 <retard-crackhead> :*(
18:59:47 <retard-crackhead> heh
18:59:49 <retard-crackhead> i dont back up workstatinos
18:59:53 <retard-crackhead> what a waste of space
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19:00:05 <sbp> well you certainly have more space now
19:00:07 <retard-crackhead> heh
19:02:56 <retard-crackhead> nope
19:02:57 <retard-crackhead> its gone =]
19:03:16 <retard-crackhead> mozilla sucks balls
19:05:47 <thelsdj> i actually just moved all my email to mutt/procmail/fetchmail/etc from thunderbird, was terrible at spam detection
19:06:12 <jcowan> jcowan (n=jcowan@a7cebc03.cst.lightpath.net) has joined #swhack
19:06:22 <retard-crackhead> ya
19:06:27 <retard-crackhead> thunderbird spam detection really does suck'
19:06:32 <retard-crackhead> everything is marked as spam
19:06:35 <retard-crackhead> on top of which
19:06:42 <retard-crackhead> its easy to backup mail from mutt/procmail/fetchmail type programs
19:06:47 <retard-crackhead> because it stores ti in a static location
19:06:53 <sbp> hiya jcowan. RANDOM CARNAGE in progress
19:06:54 <thelsdj> same with thunderbird..
19:06:56 <retard-crackhead> rather than randomlly generaetd jargon
19:07:02 <thelsdj> not really
19:07:04 <retard-crackhead> thesdj; not soo much
19:07:06 <retard-crackhead> i mean it i
19:07:06 <retard-crackhead> is
19:07:07 <retard-crackhead> .
19:07:10 <thelsdj> thunderbird stores in mbox same as procmail
19:07:14 <retard-crackhead> no
19:07:15 <retard-crackhead> it doesnt
19:07:18 <thelsdj> yes it does
19:07:18 <thelsdj> lol
19:07:22 <retard-crackhead> it stores it under $USER/.thunderbird
19:07:27 <thelsdj> so?
19:07:31 <retard-crackhead> then
19:07:31 <sbp> no, the FORMAT is the same
19:07:32 <retard-crackhead> it creates
19:07:34 <retard-crackhead> ohhhh
19:07:37 <retard-crackhead> ya =]
19:07:47 <retard-crackhead> none the less
19:07:50 <retard-crackhead> thunderbird is garbage.
19:07:57 <retard-crackhead> mutt ownz
19:08:01 <retard-crackhead> its much faster too
19:08:05 <jcowan> retard-crackhead: consider joining #puke to express your views.
19:08:21 <retard-crackhead> jcowan: freedom of expression
19:08:21 <jcowan> According to the mutt documentation, mutt sucks.
19:08:27 <retard-crackhead> jcowan haha
19:08:27 <Arnia> * Arnia sighs
19:08:43 <jcowan> This is not a public forum.
19:09:05 <retard-crackhead> ya, ya. I get the idea ok?
19:09:27 <Arnia> This is one of two places I'm in with a current conversation about how X is better than Y and Y is awful because Z says so
19:09:34 <Arnia> * Arnia is getting tired of this
19:09:40 <retard-crackhead> arnia, relax its only irc
19:09:43 <retard-crackhead> arnia, and its over.
19:11:08 <edsu> sorry about that, had a bit of a flutter over in another room
19:12:08 <sbp> too late, you're sploded
19:13:04 <sbp> (also: ehyup, lad)
19:13:12 <edsu> * edsu picks up the remaining brain cells and tries to reassemble them
19:17:37 <jcowan> * jcowan heaves a big sigh and considers going to bed for about a week.
19:17:52 <sbp> feeling ill, jcowan?
19:18:07 <jcowan> Naah, just sick of ircdiocy.
19:18:26 <sbp> THROUGH THE NOSE
19:18:33 <jcowan> TO THE MOON!
19:18:44 <sbp> AND MR. SPOCK WILL MEET US SOON
19:18:59 <crschmidt> * crschmidt attempts to offer a piece of non-idiocy on IRC, to soothe jcowan's humble soul... and fails.
19:19:21 <jcowan> There's good idiocy and bad idiocy, crschmidt.
19:19:31 <crschmidt> Oh, I know.
19:19:52 <crschmidt> And I'm well aware of which kind I offer, as well. *heavy sigh*
19:19:53 <crschmidt> ;)
19:20:06 <crschmidt> How goes it?
19:20:18 <jcowan> * jcowan got maxed out on: "So, you're a pacifist? Well, what if BadGuy is gonna like blow up the *whole planet* and you can only stop him by killing him? What then, fucktard?"
19:20:21 <jcowan> this morning.
19:20:32 <retard-crackhead> hmm
19:20:38 <retard-crackhead> that is idiocy.
19:20:54 <sbp> someone called you a fucktard?
19:20:57 <retard-crackhead> thats like asking your parents, if me and my sister were hanging off a cliff, whom would you choose.
19:21:33 <jcowan> sbp: no, it was a paraphrase. But words like "traitor" were bandied about. Funny, how often so-called libertarians ("The State Is EEEEVIL!!") talk about treason nowadays.
19:21:52 <sbp> traitor to the idea
19:21:56 <sbp> doubleplusbad
19:22:38 <crschmidt> There is no bad
19:22:44 <sbp> there is no crschmidt
19:23:16 <sbp> (the other TINC)
19:23:16 <chimezie> .varBind foafAndOnt list($foafOnt,'http://crschmidt.net/foaf.rdf')
19:23:24 <chimezie> .reason $ontRules $foafAndOnt 3 "all() |- owl:sameAs -> *"
19:24:31 <jcowan> There is only ESE.
19:24:41 <sbp> agreed. oddly enough...
19:24:56 <sbp> I'll bet Morbus does too
19:25:19 <jcowan> Of course he does.
19:25:29 <jcowan> * jcowan is reduced to humming "Somewhere My Love"
19:25:41 <crschmidt> Somewhere.... beyond the stars, somewhere
19:25:59 <jcowan> No, I mean Lara's theme.
19:26:58 <retard-crackhead> i wanna get my RHCE
19:27:05 <retard-crackhead> anyone know of good reference materials?
19:27:35 <sbp> "What does Red Hat recommend to prepare for the RHCE Exam?"
19:27:40 <sbp> - https://www.redhat.com/training/rhce/rhce_faq.html#preparation
19:28:50 <jcowan> Arrgh, crschmidt, now the tune-in-my-head has switched to the one you mentioned.
19:28:56 <sbp> heh, heh
19:29:05 <retard-crackhead> probably lots.
19:29:08 <retard-crackhead> i hear its pretty tough
19:29:09 <retard-crackhead> the actual exam'
19:29:30 <jcowan> sbp: I'd be interested in your views on the particulars mentioned in http://www.wsu.edu/~brians/errors/nonerrors.html
19:29:33 <sbp> "use the RHCE and RHCT Exam Prep Guide, to guide your studies and practice, not third-party materials or other second-hand information"
19:29:38 <sbp> looking
19:29:41 <Morbus> * Morbus chuckles at the itsy bitsy burnfly history.
19:29:55 <retard-crackhead> ahaha
19:29:56 <retard-crackhead> morbus
19:30:02 <retard-crackhead> you never spork anymore
19:30:03 <Morbus> i chuckle at the redhat ce thing.
19:30:06 <retard-crackhead> heh
19:30:08 <retard-crackhead> you dont like redhat?
19:30:12 <crschmidt> jcowan: apologies.
19:30:30 <Morbus> for all the love of "more than one way to do it" and "tiny programs combine evilly", how anyone would be able to grade an aptitude test, where personality determines the answer, is beyond me.
19:30:37 <jcowan> crschmidt: well, it could be worse, it could be the ... ARRGH! No! Now it is!
19:31:15 <retard-crackhead> heh
19:31:26 <retard-crackhead> Morbus: redhat is easy, if you know what tools redhat uses
19:31:38 <retard-crackhead> Morbus: but the test is a little ridiculous, asking questions that could be answered in any number of ways.
19:31:39 <Morbus> i don't use wizards or tools.
19:31:41 <Morbus> i configure manually.
19:31:48 <Morbus> * Morbus uses fc4 at work.
19:31:49 <retard-crackhead> heh
19:31:52 <retard-crackhead> really
19:31:56 <retard-crackhead> you like fedora core?
19:32:11 <Morbus> there's nothing not to like about it. everything it can do i can do on any other distro.
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19:32:14 <Morbus> * Morbus has no distro love.
19:32:35 <retard-crackhead> good point
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19:34:23 <retard-crackhead> jcowan; a plus on the link
19:36:19 <retard-crackhead> Morbus: what about lpi.org?
19:36:40 <Morbus> never heard of it.
19:36:46 <Morbus> woudln't much care, either way.
19:37:56 <sbp> jcowan: it all seems fine apart from the following observations:
19:38:24 <sbp> who/that I think is good style to keep where you can. I don't agree that the "that" example given is much better than if "who" were sued
19:38:26 <sbp> used
19:38:38 <sbp> scan/skim seems a bit weak to me, but I can go with it
19:38:56 <sbp> I use skim, nontheless, though. I think it should be preferred, because it's clearer
19:39:17 <sbp> gotten I believe we have in the UK, unless it's just me getting it from US TV
19:39:25 <sbp> .gc gotten site:.co.uk
19:39:27 <phenny> gotten site:.co.uk: 252,000
19:39:33 <sbp> that's compelling evidence
19:39:43 <jcowan> Tradiitionally at least gotten was avoided in the U.K. except in ill-gotten, but I wouldn't be surprised if that was no longer so.
19:39:52 <jcowan> gc gotten -ill site:.co.uk
19:39:53 <sbp> preventive/preventative seems very weak to me. preventive medicine? you have to be kidding
19:40:01 <sbp> .gc gotten -ill site:.co.uk
19:40:04 <phenny> gotten -ill site:.co.uk: 202,000
19:40:13 <sbp> I really don't it's still so
19:40:17 <sbp> doubt, even
19:40:26 <jcowan> Traditionally this was one of the Americanisms that British authors got wrong: "He hasn't gotten any sense" (!)
19:40:27 <sbp> .gc gotten site:news.bbc.co.uk
19:40:30 <phenny> gotten site:news.bbc.co.uk: 4,220
19:42:01 <jcowan> sbp: even fanatics about which/that usually don't analogize it to who/that; plenty of people avoid "that" modifying a noun referring to a human being.
19:42:45 <sbp> it seems like it's actually edited out for the most part on news.bbc.co.uk (gotten)
19:43:00 <sbp> though I've found, for example, 'She added: "This law means they have gotten away with it."' - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/2254554.stm
19:43:07 <sbp> most of the rest are Americans speaking
19:43:18 <jcowan> "Know then thyself, presume not God to skim / The proper studies of mankind are slim."
19:43:44 <sbp> '"Yes," he snarls, "and I would have gotten away with still being manager now if I wasn't so darned useless."' - Terry Venables in http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/funny_old_game/2120492.stm
19:43:52 <sbp> he's about as British as they come
19:45:04 <sbp> aha, first in-article use I can find: " Some of the vodka may be missing from the bottles, which stand guard around the bed, and the sheets may be even dirtier, but Emin's work has gotten off lighter than many." - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/special_report/1999/02/99/e-cyclopedia/484942.stm
19:45:58 <sbp> $ grep -i 'sbp.*gotten' swhack.log | wc -l
19:45:58 <sbp> 70
19:46:06 <jcowan> All these however have attached prepositions. I wonder how many "Have you gotten the cheese?" (which minimally contrasts with "Have you got the cheese?") type sentences there are.
19:46:13 <sbp> $ grep -i 'JibberJim.*gotten' swhack.log | wc -l
19:46:14 <sbp> 8
19:46:18 <sbp> $ grep -i 'Arnia.*gotten' swhack.log | wc -l
19:46:18 <sbp> 15
19:46:34 <sbp> hmm. yeah, I think that would be quite a bit rarer
19:48:05 <sbp> lisppaste2: url?
19:48:05 <lisppaste2> To use the lisppaste bot, visit http://paste.lisp.org/new/swhack and enter your paste.
19:48:18 <lisppaste2> sbp pasted "Gotten Words" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/10893
19:49:03 <jcowan> * jcowan notes that the non-errors page does not actually denounce the which/that superstition, though it should.
19:49:06 <lisppaste2> sbp annotated #10893 with "Gotten Take II (D'oh)" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/10893#1
19:49:48 <jcowan> OBTW, google now does stemming, so searches on gotten vs. got may not be reliable.
19:49:57 <sbp> ah, bugger
19:50:12 <sbp> I wondered why some of the results didn't seem to have "gotten" in them
19:50:24 <sbp> .gc site:news.bbc.co.uk gotten
19:50:26 <sbp> .gc site:news.bbc.co.uk +gotten
19:50:27 <phenny> site:news.bbc.co.uk gotten: 4,220
19:50:30 <phenny> site:news.bbc.co.uk +gotten: 4,220
19:50:34 <sbp> .gc site:news.bbc.co.uk +"gotten"
19:50:37 <phenny> site:news.bbc.co.uk +"gotten": 4,030
19:50:46 <jcowan> .gc site:news.bbc.co.uk got
19:50:49 <phenny> site:news.bbc.co.uk got: 421,000
19:51:05 <jcowan> Could be worse.
19:51:07 <sbp> no way to turn it off, apparently
19:51:15 <sbp> and yeah
19:51:27 <sbp> wonder why it just selects a few, then?
19:51:33 <sbp> link terms?
19:51:48 <sbp> * sbp tries the cache
19:51:51 <jcowan> I have no clue. The ways of Google are mysterious indeed.
19:51:57 <sbp> yeah
19:51:59 <sbp> "These terms only appear in links pointing to this page: gotten"
19:52:03 <sbp> - http://66.102.9.104/search?q=cache:aPPMZpNRiMMJ:news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/3760936.stm+site:news.bbc.co.uk+gotten&hl=en
19:52:09 <jcowan> The stemming algorithm may not handle irregular verbs, though.
19:55:30 <jcowan> "It's impossible for me to say gangsta rap without sounding like a dork: that's one of the reasons the phrase exists, to mark people like me as outsiders." --Jack Lynch's guide to grammar and style
19:55:42 <sbp> hehe
19:55:48 <sbp> Lynch's guide is awesome
19:56:22 <jcowan> Of course he comes from the southern counties, and so is not to be trusted.
19:56:40 <sbp> heh
19:57:05 <sbp> perhaps he just works there, but lives in the north?
19:57:39 <jcowan> Nope, says plain as plain that he comes from Southern New Jersey.
19:58:02 <sbp> * sbp looks up where Rutgers is
19:58:05 <jcowan> Whereas I was born and raised (not reared, please) in Northern New Jersey, and so my judgments on language are INFALLIBLE.
19:58:21 <jcowan> It's the state university, and so has several campuses in various parts of the state.
19:58:28 <sbp> Public Ivy? heh
19:58:36 <jcowan> Indeed, although it is actually older than the state.
19:58:43 <sbp> reared does tend to make one sound like cattle
19:58:48 <sbp> wow
19:59:02 <jcowan> I understand that people who produce chickens for market call themselves "chicken growers".
19:59:35 <sbp> growers? oh man
19:59:57 <jcowan> Bury the eggs in the ground, add water and fertilizer, ....
20:00:00 <sbp> antianthropomorthizing
20:00:05 <sbp> morph
20:00:17 <sbp> same phoneme for me
20:00:29 <jcowan> * jcowan is indeed against anthropo-morð.
20:00:42 <sbp> There Is No Interdental Fricative
20:00:56 <jcowan> Better for you to wonder whether to write theft or feft than for me to wonder if you mean lord or laud.
20:01:11 <sbp> fepht
20:01:28 <sbp> ffephed
20:01:36 <jcowan> which is why Regularized Inglish makes lots and lots of distinctions.
20:01:47 <Arnia> sbp: Can you hear the difference between ph and th (unvoiced)?
20:02:03 <sbp> I can hear it, but I don't make it myself
20:02:22 <Arnia> ah... one of my housemates can't actually hear it
20:02:30 <Arnia> He thinks they're identical sounds
20:02:32 <jcowan> * jcowan wonders if some Welsh people who learn Welsh as adults pronounce th as ff/ph also.
20:02:33 <sbp> it feels as though the difference between them is smaller than the barrier between making the interdental and the non-interdental
20:02:47 <sbp> th is a distinctly different sound from ff/ph in Welsh
20:02:57 <jcowan> And in most kinds of English too.
20:02:57 <sbp> oh, as adults
20:03:14 <sbp> I would have difficulty
20:03:41 <sbp> fy ngath i seems to come out okay though
20:04:00 <sbp> I think you start to overenunciate when you learn the orthography, so it kinda sticks
20:05:41 <jcowan> * jcowan has a lot of trouble remembering Welsh u, most especially in au.
20:06:41 <jcowan> And Occitan orthography is maximally perverse: final -a = /o/, o = /u/, u = /y/.
20:06:47 <sbp> yeah, u is hard
20:06:52 <sbp> eek
20:07:00 <jcowan> Only the last agrees with French, which helps.
20:07:18 <jcowan> "troubadour" is a French borrowing from Oc, where it is spelled "trobador".
20:08:10 <sbp> hmm. isn't the first ou an oo and the second a short o (or)?
20:09:48 <jcowan> Not sure. It may have changed in French after being borrowed.
20:10:00 <sbp> like connoiseur here
20:10:12 <sbp> wait, bad analogy
20:10:21 <sbp> it changed *there* after we loaned it *here*
20:10:32 <jcowan> Likewise "double entendre"
20:10:38 <sbp> and RSVP
20:10:43 <sbp> nom de plume
20:10:59 <jcowan> But how to account for vicar:curate::curé:vicaire I do not know.
20:11:12 <sbp> hmm!
20:11:37 <jcowan> I don't know the RSVP story.
20:11:42 <sbp> under curate:
20:11:42 <sbp> One who has the cure of souls; originally, any clergyman, but
20:11:43 <sbp> now usually limited to one who assists a rector or vicar.
20:12:05 <jcowan> vicarius = assistant in Latin, so that accounts for the French usage.
20:12:15 <sbp> so they just got desynonymised differently
20:12:26 <chimezie> * chimezie is incredibly frustrated with an oversight with the XForms specification regarding base64 encoding
20:12:29 <chimezie> grrr...
20:12:44 <sbp> Coleridge was right!
20:13:05 <jcowan> About what?
20:13:36 <jcowan> Says here that originally "vicar" was either someone who got a stipend but not tithes or the personal representative of a prelate.
20:14:02 <chimezie> as I understand the Xforms specification, an XForms processor seems to have to know how to handle base64 encoding/decoding
20:14:17 <jcowan> Looks that way to me too, chimezie.
20:14:33 <chimezie> since the file upload control requires content picked from the filesystem must be encoded before being bound to a node
20:15:08 <sbp> I read one of Coleridge's essays wherein he spoke about desynonymisation. then I read about desynonymisation and found it being slandered as a mere "18th century theory" now debunked
20:15:17 <chimezie> however, that capability is unavailable as a general capability. Lets say I wanted to base 64 encode the value of a node in an instance on the fly w/out having to bind it to an upload control
20:15:20 <sbp> which seemed odd, because some words clearly get desynonymised
20:15:59 <jcowan> ale vs. beer
20:16:03 <chimezie> the specification requires base64 encoding capabilities but doesn't expose it as a function in any way
20:16:14 <jcowan> Though furze and gorse remain with us to confound all rationalists.
20:16:22 <chimezie> so the only way you can base64 encode explicitely is to bind a file control to a node
20:18:11 <clsn> I've heard that; the only two synonyms in English...
20:18:30 <chimezie> oh well.. at least I have some material for a blog rant
20:19:32 <jcowan> clsn: There are at least 10 synonyms for Kreutzfeld-Jakob disease, of which Creutzfeld-Jakob disease and Jakob-Kreutzfeld disease immediately come to mind....
20:19:35 <chimezie> but no one is doing any serious ui construction with XForms yet so the spec and the conforming tools lag behind the bleeding edge (where I reside, unfortunately)
20:20:33 <clsn> I know, I know, and there are plenty of other synonyms, but gorse and furze were given by someone Big and Famous (you remember who, I sure don't) as the only true synonyms, by which he meant to say that most synonyms really do differ in some sense.
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20:23:32 <jcowan> Can't think of any such proclamation.
20:24:08 <clsn> *blink*. Then wherenhell did you get the idea to mention them at all? I thought that was what you meant.
20:32:32 <jcowan> Well, they are just an example of exact synonymy that I know about; that's quite different from having heard/read a VIP proclaim them as the only exact synonyms.
20:35:15 <clsn> Oh... Maybe I'm misremembering the story, or maybe you never heard it, or both... I suppose Google would know.
20:36:24 <clsn> .g gorse furze synonyms
20:36:27 <phenny> gorse furze synonyms: http://www.phrases.org.uk/bulletin_board/39/messages/147.html
20:36:54 <retard-crackhead> my financial adviser "advised" me to invest 15 percent of my monthyl income to charity..
20:37:07 <retard-crackhead> he's so fired!
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20:44:57 <chimezie> lispaste, help
20:45:04 <chimezie> lisppaste2,help
20:45:04 <lisppaste2> To use the lisppaste bot, visit http://paste.lisp.org/new/swhack and enter your paste.
20:45:49 <Morbus> sbp you see this orionsart thing? another cc world.
20:46:14 <lisppaste2> chimezie pasted "Ft/Server/Common/ClAuthenticate error over FtRpc" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/10896
20:46:27 <Morbus> hrm. looks ugly.
20:46:31 <sbp> orionsart?
20:46:37 <Morbus> http://www.orionsarm.com/
20:46:59 <Morbus> you knmow, i think i'[ve seen this before actually.]
20:47:18 <Morbus> NE'ERMIND.
20:47:56 <sbp> heh
20:52:55 <retard-crackhead> heh
21:03:17 <Morbus> sbp! http://www.rss3.org/main.html
21:03:26 <Morbus> we gotta send 'em a c&d based on aaron's work.
21:03:48 <sbp> oh you are kidding. that's hilarious. yes!
21:03:52 <Morbus> yeah!
21:03:54 <Morbus> i can't believe it.
21:03:55 <sbp> ahaha
21:04:25 <Morbus> man, it even got on slashdot.
21:04:25 <Morbus> ahahah
21:04:56 <sbp> "On behalf of Aaron Swartz, we assert his moral right to the use of the term RSS 3.0 to identify his version of the technology, antedating yours by several years, based on the principle of RFC 822 message headers.
21:05:00 <Morbus> ah, he al... yeah
21:05:12 <Morbus> wait, where's that from?
21:05:14 <retard-crackhead> lmfao
21:05:24 <Morbus> sbp: http://www.rss3.org/official_blog/
21:05:27 <Morbus> he mentions it there.
21:05:32 <sbp> "This should be considered a cease and desist order; please rename your work to something other than RSS 3.0 immediately. Many thanks, Sean B. Palmer, secretary to Mr. Swartz"
21:05:36 <Morbus> The funniest thing, though, is that RSS 3 apparently exists, here. I canvassed the web quite thoroughly, or so I thought, before starting this. I didn’t find a thing. Well, luckily enough, that dialect of RSS has been around for 3 years and still no takers. And that’s because it’s an entirely new format, text based rather than XML based. (I wonder if I’ll find this funny if the author demands that I change the name of this site…)
21:05:37 <Morbus> ahahaha
21:05:40 <Morbus> WE HAVE TO GET HIM TO DO IT.
21:05:48 <Morbus> AARON! MAKE HIM CHANGE THE NAME.
21:05:49 <sbp> loggy: pointer?
21:05:49 <sbp> See http://swhack.com/logs/2005-08-18#T21-05-49
21:05:49 <Morbus> AHAHAHA.
21:05:52 <Morbus> RSS 3 HAS A POSSE.
21:05:57 <retard-crackhead> lol
21:06:10 <retard-crackhead> this is rather funny
21:06:20 <sbp> sent him a message
21:06:31 <Morbus> this is high-larious.
21:06:40 <retard-crackhead> Morbus, heh
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21:06:43 <retard-crackhead> it is kinda isn't it =
21:06:44 <retard-crackhead> =]
21:06:57 <retard-crackhead> I need to stop doing so many drugs, it's making me lazy
21:06:57 <Morbus> this guy's an idiot.
21:06:57 <Morbus> [[[
21:06:58 <Morbus> # The 0.9x class (where x is a number between and including 1 to 4)
21:06:58 <Morbus> # The 1.0 class (using an RDF structure, thus excluding all others)
21:06:58 <Morbus> ]]]
21:07:02 <sbp> whoops, finger slipped
21:07:18 <sbp> whoops, finger slipped
21:07:25 <Morbus> [[[
21:07:26 <Morbus> Though XML namespaces offer several advantages to some, in the particular case of the RSS standard it hold many disadvantages. In using XML namespaces the standard is prevented from being backwards-compatible, which is a requirement imperative to the standard.
21:07:26 <Morbus> ]]]
21:07:27 <Morbus> ahahaha.
21:07:28 <sbp> the -o was deliberate
21:07:50 <sbp> excluding all others: hehe
21:08:12 <Morbus> this is obscene.
21:08:16 <Morbus> * Morbus chortles.
21:08:31 <Morbus> i can't wait until winer comments.
21:08:36 <Morbus> * Morbus checks.
21:08:48 <sbp> "(I wonder if I'll find this funny if the author demands that I change the name of this site...)"
21:08:55 <Morbus> nothing yet.
21:08:58 <sbp> we really have to do it
21:08:58 <Morbus> come on, dave!
21:09:05 <sbp> bah, Winer won't comment
21:09:23 <sbp> remember RSS 1.1? that blew up a storm before he commented, and even then he only did so by pointing to Cadenhead's coverage
21:09:36 <sbp> this pipsqueak pile of crap won't merit anything
21:09:37 <Morbus> ROFFLE.
21:09:38 <Morbus> http://www.rss3.org/links.xml
21:09:43 <Morbus> he can't even link to his own email correctly.
21:09:43 <Morbus> ahahah.
21:09:47 <parsec_> parsec_ (n=turtle@tidy.obscurity.org) has joined #swhack
21:09:51 <parsec_> wtf was that all about
21:09:53 <parsec_> banning my host?
21:10:06 <sbp> hehe: "eXtendible Mark-up Language (XML 1.0)"
21:10:10 <Morbus> hahaha
21:10:30 <parsec_> sbp: you mind being an asshole on your own time
21:10:41 <sbp> finger slipped!
21:10:45 <parsec_> right right
21:11:04 <parsec_> I forgot, retards have convulsions..
21:11:20 <Arnia> Morbus: whatcha discussing?
21:11:26 <Morbus> Arnia: rss3!
21:11:28 <sbp> o! the angst
21:11:38 <Morbus> sbp: Aaron *must* c&d.
21:11:40 <Morbus> he must, he must.
21:12:17 <bjoern_> * bjoern_ wonders what twe 'd think about rss3 ...
21:12:30 <sbp> Arnia: http://www.rss3.org/main.html
21:14:10 <Arnia> Why oh why oh why RSS3?
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21:14:34 <sbp> hmm, it doesn't seem to mention Atom anywhere
21:14:48 <jsled> sbp: on the links page.
21:15:12 <jsled> Just above the (X)HTML WYSIWYG Web-Authoring Softwares.
21:15:21 <Morbus> sbp: its on the links page somewhere, i think.
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21:15:29 <sbp> I mean, it doesn't mention justification for it being crap
21:15:34 <turtle_> * turtle_ yawns
21:15:39 <crschmidt> that's probably parsec too
21:15:47 <turtle_> great guess
21:15:51 <turtle_> i have a billion other hosts
21:15:54 <turtle_> this is so pointless
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21:16:17 <Arnia> Why oh why oh why parsec?
21:16:18 <crschmidt> sbp: i might recommend banning *!turtle@* for the time being
21:17:07 <sbp> lalala
21:17:14 <crschmidt> of course, then you don't get the joy of blocking him each time ;)
21:17:35 <Arnia> Who is he?
21:18:27 <sbp> iuno, who cares
21:18:47 <sbp> we get them on a roughly bimonthly basis
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21:37:08 <Monty> Speak of the devil, it's uche!
21:37:18 <jessica> * jessica reads backscroll.
21:38:06 <Arnia> Ok... backing up hard disk... going to install Breezy in a few minutes
21:38:12 <jessica> phenny, tell jcowan that there are libertarians who disbelieve in the state due to their desire to have lots of guns that can vaporize a deer at 300 yards, and then there are libertarians who want to be able to buy a pack of gum and a sheet of acid at the local apothecary, and unfortunately, one branch knows nothing of the other.
21:38:15 <phenny> jessica: I'll pass that on when jcowan is around.
21:38:47 <Arnia> Mmm... gaseous venison
21:38:50 <jcowan> jessica: good point.
21:38:52 <phenny> jcowan: 21:38Z <jessica> tell jcowan that there are libertarians who disbelieve in the state due to their desire to have lots of guns that can vaporize a deer at 300 yards, and then there are libertarians who want to be able to buy a pack of gum and a sheet of acid at the local apothecary, and unfortunately, one branch knows nothing of the other.
21:39:12 <jessica> I was an avowed libertarian for many years.
21:39:24 <uche> how bout lapdance libs?
21:39:41 <jessica> I now realize that I should just start an anarchosyndicalist commune and start military training for the 8 year old and 4 year old.
21:40:03 <jcowan> * jcowan is a notorious geolibertarian, which means that everyone hates him. *snif*
21:40:38 <clsn> Ooof, libertarians... I guess that means we have to talk quietly around them and stuff, and make sure to return the books on time...
21:40:45 <jessica> I found that to maintain all the standards of Libertarianism, you either end up an old-school Republican or like The Onion parody "Starting next year, Nevada will repeal all laws, with the laws against murder, assault, and rape being repealed in 2007 . . ."
21:41:23 <jcowan> geolibs believe that "royal" libs, Greens, and socialists have all got it just subtly wrong.
21:41:34 <jessica> Royal libs?
21:42:12 <jcowan> Those who believe in absolute property rights in land (which usually wind up being derived from some monarch or another).
21:42:45 <Arnia> How do you have rights without laws? Just curious to know, don't know much about libertarianism
21:43:02 <jessica> Ah. I'm just of the "to hell with governmental regulation in anything except for preserving life or property."
21:43:11 <uche> Arnia, tonz o' gunz
21:43:18 <jcowan> Quite so, jessica, but what is property and what is not?
21:43:44 <jessica> * jessica shrugs. Now we get into abstract concepts, but based on my understanding of IP, everything is now becoming property.
21:43:46 <uche> jcowan throws the bomb
21:43:52 <uche> and rightly so
21:43:56 <jcowan> Libertarians come in two flavors, Arnia: those who believe in night-watchman states, and those who think social control can be achieved by free market defense agencies.
21:43:59 <jessica> And therefore I can sue everyone and everything for use of the word "the" after I used it. :P
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21:44:26 <jessica> Night watchman meaning a state overseen by a high school dropout with an IQ of 85 who sleeps the entire shift?
21:44:34 <jcowan> * jcowan snickers.
21:44:54 <crschmidt> wow!
21:44:58 <crschmidt> i didn't know jcowan could snicker
21:44:58 <jessica> Eh?
21:45:04 <jessica> He's capable of amusement!
21:45:12 <crschmidt> He's not really a robot!
21:45:21 <clsn> Lots of state governors qualify then, jessica, right?
21:45:30 <sbp> <jcowan> affirmative
21:45:52 <jcowan> 13 instances in the swhack log alone.
21:46:00 <jcowan> crschmidt: Obviously you are not reading my blog.
21:46:04 <sbp> <jcowan> I AM NOT A ROBOError: Line 25: cannot evaluate statement 'print T' in this context
21:46:22 <crschmidt> jcowan: nope.
21:46:24 <jessica> I'm with P.J. O'Rourke. "How could any part of America elect a professional wrestler as governor? Why isn't he noticeably worse than other governors?"
21:46:28 <sbp> crschmidt: what!
21:46:37 <crschmidt> jcowan: Don't read any #swhacker's blogs
21:46:41 <crschmidt> except miscoranda
21:46:46 <crschmidt> and jim, since he's on planetrdf
21:46:55 <sbp> though it's irrelevant to some extent since he hasn't published for like a million years
21:47:05 <sbp> you don't read Planet Swhack?
21:47:05 <crschmidt> Jim?
21:47:07 <crschmidt> nope
21:47:11 <sbp> no, jcowan
21:47:13 <crschmidt> Ah
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21:48:13 <jcowan> * jcowan adds crschmidt's blog to remove crschmidt's last excuse.
21:48:37 <crschmidt> Don't plan on posting there often/ever again, so it's hardly conducive convincing ;)
21:49:02 <crschmidt> Not enough free time with my own projects, or even projects I'm free to discuss.
21:49:41 <jessica> Right, though thankfully he's updating his journal lately, so I can keep up with what's going on with him.
21:50:31 <sbp> I find it ironic that the person who used to write least to their blog, namely me, is now writing the most and everybody else seems to have pretty much stopped
21:50:40 <sbp> except for the unstoppable uche/chime combo
21:50:49 <Arnia> jessica: It must be embarrassing that he isn't doing that bad a job (re governor)
21:50:58 <sbp> did I thank uche for linking to the Shakespeare in the Bush thing?
21:51:10 <sbp> phenny: ask uche if I thanked him for linking to the Shakespeare in the Bush thing
21:51:10 <deltab> sbp: they're all busy reading what you've written
21:51:12 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when uche is around.
21:51:15 <sbp> heh, heh
21:51:22 <deltab> a rubber chicken in the Albert Hall!
21:51:27 <clsn> I still haven't read that. Woops.
21:51:38 <Arnia> blammo, blammo
21:51:45 <sbp> * sbp blinks
21:51:48 <sbp> rubber chicken?
21:51:54 <Arnia> * Arnia feels someone should keep up the standards
21:51:54 <Arnia> * Arnia makes sbp Standard Chief Hierophant
21:52:00 <deltab> a prop in HMS Pinafore
21:52:10 <sbp> phenny: tell kpreid thanks for the * kpreid blinks idiom. I've been using that a fair bit lately
21:52:11 <sbp> aha
21:52:12 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when kpreid is around.
21:52:30 <uche> * uche does a blue channel check
21:52:33 <phenny> uche: 21:51Z <sbp> ask uche if I thanked him for linking to the Shakespeare in the Bush thing
21:52:48 <uche> sbp, oh, that's your page?
21:52:50 <clsn> Paying royalties with thankyous, sbp?
21:52:59 <uche> I'd have credited you if I knew
21:53:19 <jcowan> No traffic in #puke today.
21:53:32 <kpreid>
21:53:34 <phenny> kpreid: 16 Aug 18:30Z <kandinski> tell kpreid thanks for the explaining
21:53:34 <uche> jcowan, that, umm, sounds like a good thing
21:53:36 <clsn> That sounds like good news.
21:53:38 <phenny> kpreid: 21:52Z <sbp> tell kpreid thanks for the * kpreid blinks idiom. I've been using that a fair bit lately
21:53:47 <Arnia> Perhaps everyone is happy bright and gay?
21:53:54 <kpreid> sbp: but you're misusing it!
21:53:57 <jcowan> I doubt it.
21:54:05 <uche> * blinks
21:54:07 <jcowan> (that's to Arnia)
21:54:31 <Arnia> uche: Kleene closure of blinking?
21:54:39 <uche> EEEEEEEEEEE
21:54:53 <Arnia> jcowan: Ah, so they're all ranting to others then
21:54:57 <clsn> Yes, always blink before using a Kleene(x) on your eyes...
21:54:58 <uche> DOn't try to entail that
21:55:27 <Arnia> uche: One's face would ache if you tried
21:55:38 <uche> * uche hums "I'm a pepper, he's a pepper, she's a pepper we're a pepper"
21:55:48 <Morbus> Morbus has quit ("http://www.disobey.com/")
21:55:50 <uche> "wouldn't you like to be a pepper, too"
21:56:21 <jcowan> Probably I should publicize #puke more; it is meant to be a public service.
21:56:22 <Arnia> * Arnia backs away from uche slowly
21:56:22 <Arnia> *through megaphone* Is that an advert jingle?
21:56:23 <clsn> Nah... Nobody gives in to peer pressure anymore, that's so lame...
21:56:32 <jcowan> Arnia: yes.
21:56:34 <uche> Arnia, yup
21:56:40 <kpreid> jcowan: you haven't explained what it's for
21:56:41 <uche> Dr. Pepper ca. 1979
21:56:48 <clsn> I remember it.
21:56:52 <jcowan> kpreid: it's for people to go on irc when they feel the need to puke.
21:57:07 <clsn> That can be bad for your keyboard.
21:57:15 <Arnia> * Arnia likes Dr Pepper
21:57:17 <jcowan> Well, at least it's displayed that awful Trek Classic theme song in my head (complete with corny lyrics)
21:57:39 <clsn> displaced?
21:57:44 <Arnia> * Arnia begins humming the Stingray ending theme
21:58:09 <jcowan> clsn: typically only one song is playing in my head at a time.
21:58:26 <clsn> * clsn hums a little ditty of his own invention, called "Note in B-flat." Over and over.
21:58:39 <clsn> Just making sure you meant "displaced" instead of "displayed".
21:58:51 <jcowan> Yeah.
21:59:03 <jcowan> * jcowan is going to see "Mad Hot Ballroom" tonight.
22:01:23 <Arnia> Hmm... this backup is taking a long time
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22:02:38 <jsled> jsled has changed the topic to: p o u l t r y ;
22:03:32 <eaon> Should we laugh, or should we cry? RSS 3.0.
22:03:42 <crschmidt> eaon: you're too late. we already laughed.
22:03:49 <jcowan> *And* pointed fingers.
22:04:29 <Arnia> The idea... terrifies me personally
22:04:47 <Arnia> * Arnia points his finger at the Big Red Button
22:05:05 <eaon> Nukes!
22:05:20 <uche> clsn, the TUPO NAZI!
22:05:21 <eaon> crschmidt: I'm always too late with everything :(
22:05:27 <eaon> Damn those power cables
22:06:03 <uche> If I have a moment, I still plan to post RSS PWNED
22:06:21 <eaon> * eaon sighs
22:06:21 <uche> All I need are 4 elements and infinite extensibility
22:06:36 <eaon> I feel so bad, I've written several things for my blog but haven't posted any in almost a month (or more?)
22:06:38 <uche> I could also call it RSS +Inf
22:06:47 <eaon> +∞
22:06:55 <Arnia> uche: Make a version of RSS that is turing complete?
22:07:11 <uche> Arnia, Oooh
22:07:28 <jcowan> uche: namely, Fear, Surprise, RuthlessEfficiency, and FanaticalDedicationToThePope?
22:07:29 <uche> LOAD SAVE LOOP BRANCH
22:07:36 <uche> As I said, 4 elements
22:07:59 <jcowan> * jcowan read an article a week or so ago on executable topic maps in Python.
22:08:03 <Arnia> Nice
22:08:11 <Arnia> jcowan: Do you have a pointer?
22:08:12 <jsled> RSS +Double-Inf adds NiceRedUniforms.
22:08:17 <jcowan> * jcowan pokes about
22:08:41 <sbp> kpreid: how am I misusing it?
22:08:55 <deltab> I recognise "Wouldn't you like to be a pepper too?" from Short Circuit, but I don't think I've ever seen the advert
22:08:56 <kpreid> * kpreid the prescriptivist!
22:09:05 <Arnia> eaon: http://www.dur.ac.uk/j.r.c.geldart/projects/hound-dog/
22:09:12 <kpreid> sbp: never mind, actually, that's just fine!
22:09:29 <sbp> heh, thanks
22:09:33 <kpreid> sbp: but where i picked it up from, it means "I am paying attention now"
22:09:47 <sbp> "Wouldn't you like to be a pepper too?" - I think that's the only place I've heard it from too, Short Circuit
22:09:51 <sbp> aha
22:09:54 <Arnia> I use '* blinks' as a notion of surprise
22:09:57 <sbp> yeah, I use it as...
22:09:58 <sbp> right
22:10:13 <clsn> tupo?
22:10:22 <Arnia> * Arnia exterminates
22:10:32 <Arnia> With appropriate creaky voice
22:10:39 <sbp> they can levitate tupos now. well, the Russians can
22:11:00 <Arnia> I'd like to elevate a topos
22:11:06 <jcowan> Arnia: http://pico.vub.ac.be/~wdmeuter/RDL04/papers/Rauschmayer.pdf
22:11:20 <Arnia> Right. I'll read it once I've distupped
22:11:42 <Arnia> Is it based on Phil Tetlow's Glial stuff?
22:11:49 <jcowan> * jcowan read that as dis-tupped and wondered just what Arnia was doing, or rather, thought he knew.
22:12:43 <jcowan> Doesn't cite anyone except his friends, Guido (obviously) and Ungar & co. The topic map represents the objects in a Selfy way.
22:13:14 <uche> clsn, man, you're so hard core you don't even know the standard joke for "typo"
22:13:18 <uche> * uche bows
22:13:55 <clsn> <-- hard core. Yep.
22:14:03 <eaon> Card Hore
22:14:10 <eaon> Brilliant EP name, not so good music
22:14:11 <jcowan> Hard Corps
22:14:14 <eaon> Split EP I think?
22:14:26 <jcowan> It's a forkerism.
22:14:57 <jcowan> .g site:swhack.com "Hatrack J. Mattress"
22:14:59 <phenny> site:swhack.com "Hatrack J. Mattress": http://swhack.com/logs/2004-06-27
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22:16:40 <jsled> .g ArnoCorps
22:16:43 <phenny> ArnoCorps: http://www.arnocorps.com/
22:17:15 <jcowan> When words swap their middles, that presumably is a kniferism.
22:19:39 <Arnia> jcowan: will be interesting reading for Frege work
22:19:52 <jcowan> Indeed.
22:20:38 <Arnia> jcowan: for reference, glial is a model of the semantic web (especially with web services) as a non-linear dynamic system
22:21:24 <Arnia> jcowan: It gives combinators etc for representing web services (including static content)
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22:30:45 <jcowan> The hardest part of reading papers is deciding whether, when you have lost interest in a paper, it is because the paper is intrinsically tedious and should be stuffed in the (physical) recycle bin, or because of a transient mood change and you should keep the paper until you feel like reading further in it.
22:31:51 <Arnia> Yes... one of the many reasons I have so many papers on the computer
22:32:06 <Arnia> And why I'm writing HoundDog
22:32:22 <jcowan> Since I print most papers for reading offline, I have that problem doubled and in spades.
22:32:54 <Arnia> Fun fun
22:33:18 <Arnia> jcowan: Would you find HoundDog useful though?
22:33:32 <jcowan> I was quite interested this morning in a survey by Goetz Graefe on algorithms for database queries, but now it just all seems long and boring.
22:34:19 <Arnia> That sounds quite interesting... but I guess it depends on how it is written
22:34:44 <jcowan> I'll keep it and tackle it again later; my dislike of it may be nothing more than indigestion (literal or meta4ical)
22:35:12 <Arnia> Did you just use a number for a syllable?
22:35:17 <jcowan> Yes.
22:35:27 <Arnia> * Arnia stares
22:35:40 <jcowan> "A man's reach should exceed his grasp, or what's a meta for?" --Hen3ry (where the number is *not* for a syllable)
22:38:44 <chimezie> uche: isn't GRDDL yet another fancy buzzword for what we've had in 4Suite for eons? (Document Definitions)?
22:39:05 <jcowan> Arnia: not using Gnome these days, or I probably would.
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22:40:19 <chimezie> phenny: ask uche if he doesn't think 'Document Definition' when he sees GRDDL
22:40:21 <phenny> chimezie: I'll pass that on when uche is around.
22:40:27 <Arnia> Thought of an interesting example of a non-shit acronym name for a project btw
22:40:34 <Arnia> Nab - Non Axiomatic Beagle
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22:40:42 <Monty> welcome, libby
22:40:57 <Arnia> Tagline - Find it, grab it, sort it
22:41:51 <jcowan> Sounds like a good name for Snoopy.
22:42:33 <Arnia> I may spend some time writing a C library for NAL
22:42:47 <Arnia> (well, and NARS in general)
22:44:00 <Arnia> Hmm 5 GB through the backup and I still haven't got through my AI papers
22:44:54 <jcowan> Anyhow, Ittywhonk to you all.
22:45:02 <Arnia> bye
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23:48:13 <eaon> * eaon wonders where Clockwerx is
23:50:24 <sbp> haven't seen him around for ages
23:50:45 <eaon> Yeah, he's on Plazes from time to time
23:50:57 <eaon> He always seemed enthusiastic
23:51:07 <sbp> no show here since 2005-06-20
23:51:23 <crschmidt> hm, did he poke me earlier today?
23:51:29 <sbp> but he'd disappeared for three months before then too
23:51:55 <crschmidt> ah, no, that was captsolo
23:52:03 <crschmidt> yeah, clockwerx has always kind of drifted in and out
23:55:06 <eaon> Just sent him a message
23:56:19 <eaon> But time to get some sleep
23:57:34 <Arnia> Nighty night
23:58:26 <eaon> Gute Nacht, ihr Schnuckiputzies
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23:59:31 <sbp> Schnuckiputzies?
23:59:47 <sbp> phenny: ask eaon Schnuckiputzies?
23:59:49 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when eaon is around.