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00:08:54 <Arnia> I just read the RSS3 website... ok, I see people's snickers even more clearly now
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00:09:45 <sbp> yeah. good comedy
00:18:45 <Arnia> I like the way he is basically creating RDF badly again
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00:27:32 <crschmidt> hey, speak of the devil
00:28:24 <CLoCkWeRX> * CLoCkWeRX blinks
00:28:25 <crschmidt> * crschmidt waves to CLoCkWeRX , gestures to http://swhack.com/logs/2005-08-18#T23-48-13
00:28:55 <CLoCkWeRX> mmm
00:30:25 <Arnia> * Arnia reads the requirements section
00:30:49 <Arnia> *paraphrase* Atom is out of scope, as is RSS1. The Standard must not contradict any relevant existing W3C recommendation
00:36:56 <Arnia> I hadn't actually read Aaron's spec either
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00:50:44 <CLoCkWeRX> mmm... http://www.cjr.org/tools/owners/ + foafcorp style vocabulary is concievably of real world usefulness
00:55:30 <CLoCkWeRX> oh, and... does anyone know of anything similar to http://www.alphaworks.ibm.com/tech/db2uriaccess for a variety of databases... i'm intrigued by the possibility of part query part URI stuff
00:56:07 <Arnia> CLoCkWeRX: In a RESTful fashion?
00:56:09 <CLoCkWeRX> ie, urn:mysql:serverip:SELECT * FROM tbl_foo WHERE foo_id = ...
00:56:12 <CLoCkWeRX> *nods*
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00:57:36 <CLoCkWeRX> i'm talking about LDAP without talking about LDAP aren't i
00:58:46 <Arnia> I think so...
00:58:50 <Arnia> Sounds similar
00:59:36 <CLoCkWeRX> i.. got to playing with PEAR's DB_DataObject stuff [php] the other day, and it's just made my life one hell of a lot easier
01:00:25 <CLoCkWeRX> so... i'm pondering the difficulty in a lightweight RDFS / OWL -> class generator that maps up with a dataobject easily...
01:01:45 <CLoCkWeRX> 'cause the problems i have with convincing people about RDF/whatever is they don't understand it, they do it wrong, they don't hav etools to do it right, and they can't understand benefits
01:02:03 <CLoCkWeRX> so exposing interesting data from their databases is just Too Hard
01:04:06 <CLoCkWeRX> it'd be great to make it possible to just... $foo = DataObject::factory('table'); $foo->toRDF();
01:10:11 <deltab> CLoCkWeRX: "urn"? that's no URN.
01:11:17 <CLoCkWeRX> heh
01:11:22 <CLoCkWeRX> listen to what i meant not what i said
01:11:27 <CLoCkWeRX> :O
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01:38:13 <BigJibby> @acronym ostriches
01:38:16 <supybot> BigJibby: No definitions found.
01:39:05 <BigJibby> supybot, I didn't ask for a definition
01:39:06 <supybot> BigJibby: Error: "I" is not a valid command.
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02:30:14 <jsled> Boo! http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/08/18/third_rss/
02:34:02 <Arnia> I'm finding this rather amusing
02:34:56 <Arnia> It is all so very very silly
02:36:57 <jsled> quite. It's annoying that El Reg gives it any credence, even if sarcastic.
02:37:31 <Arnia> Yes. http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=159384&cid=13348048
02:39:54 <Arnia> I love the bit where he says that namespaces are bad
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03:16:57 <jcowan> Ittywhonk!
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03:31:25 <Arnia> * Arnia waves to jcowan
03:31:44 <jcowan> * jcowan waves back.
03:44:28 <jessica> * jessica stares at topic and wonders what Mr. Cowan had in mind.
03:44:42 <jessica> * jessica pictures a kid's game of HORSE but for kids who really suck at basketball.
03:44:53 <jcowan> What is HORSE?
03:45:06 <jessica> You stand on the free throw line, attempt a shot, if you miss it, you get a letter.
03:45:12 <jessica> H, O, R, S, E and then you're out.
03:45:26 <jessica> It's a staple of gym class, or at least it was when I was a girl, all those decades ago.
03:45:37 <jessica> I always threw the ball back to the next person so I could get the letters and then read a book.
03:48:40 <jcowan> The former topic was another plural noun (I forget what, you could look at the logs) also written with spaces.
03:49:01 <jcowan> I had been discussing kosher food, including ostriches (they're not kosher) on #lojban with clsn.
03:50:54 <jessica> I see. I brought a Jewish friend from the Rightpondian Cambridge to Brookline, Massachusetts.
03:51:09 <jessica> She was thrilled at the fact that there were delis, even though the one I brought her to was completely trayf.
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04:21:36 <BeHappy_> librdf error - Connection to MySQL database localhost:3306 name assenzio as user root failed: Too many connections
04:21:40 <BeHappy_> oh, the joy of recursion
04:21:51 <crschmidt> also the joy of mysql fuckups
04:21:53 <crschmidt> restart the process
04:21:57 <crschmidt> all the old connections will die
04:22:03 <crschmidt> er, redland
04:22:09 <crschmidt> there was a thread on the mailing list not too long ago
04:22:12 <crschmidt> don't really know what's up with it
04:22:38 <BeHappy_> i think it's better to check the recursive function :) i doubt i can write a thing that works :)
04:23:00 <crschmidt> Oh, you're working in Python, right?
04:23:03 <BeHappy_> yes
04:23:05 <crschmidt> I haven't had as many problems there as PHP
04:23:36 <BeHappy_> i'm trying to do a point-and-click rdf editor via web
04:23:55 <BeHappy_> this thing should be driven by rdf schemaas
04:24:34 <BeHappy_> the recursive function that fails aims to find all the rdfs:subClassOf in order to present to the user a list of proprieties to pick and edit
04:24:35 <crschmidt> a la http://infomesh.net/pyrple/rdfe/ ?
04:24:40 <crschmidt> ah
04:25:26 <jcowan> BeHappy_: recursion: see recursion
04:27:39 <Arnia> hmm... "Constructing with many Links"... does that sound a good paper title to you
04:29:10 <Arnia> (for a paper about using the link grammar algorithm, which is O(n^3), to get good parsing performance for construction grammars)
04:29:53 <jcowan> n^3 counts as good performance?
04:30:48 <Arnia> It is n in the size of the sentence rather than the lexicon
04:31:04 <jcowan> Even so.
04:31:14 <Arnia> And it is a hell of a lot better than many construction grammar parsers
04:32:02 <Arnia> The PET chart parser is very efficient, but it gets its efficiency from pre-compilation which is unacceptable for the uses I need it for
04:32:28 <Arnia> (would you accept recompiling a lexicon to get it to know your name?)
04:33:49 <jcowan> Lojban used to use a LALR-1 grammar with a trufflehunting preparser, and is now PEGylated.
04:34:09 <Arnia> Plus PET uses TDL to specify grammars. You need a lot of training to learn to write TDL grammars even for the HPSG/GPSG/LFG style syntaxes it was devised for
04:34:14 <Arnia> Lojban is odd
04:35:03 <jcowan> PEG is a very nice fast algorithm, though it can require plenty of space.
04:35:38 <Arnia> Chart parsers tend to run into huge memory problems (the memory requirements for the link grammar algorithm is O(n log n) in sentence size)
04:36:44 <Arnia> And O(n^3) isn't that bad with the system constants... even fifty word sentences usually only take a fraction of a second to retrieve all possible parses.
04:37:25 <Arnia> However the formalism is awkward in its natural state... but it can be reflected to a radical construction grammar basis quite easily I think
04:38:10 <jcowan> It's when you want to parse, say, Alice in Wonderland that you appreciate a fast algorithm.
04:38:47 <Arnia> Yes... but for which syntactic model?
04:39:12 <Arnia> A CFG won't cut it if you're applying semantic analysis from, say, Role and Reference
04:39:37 <jcowan> Granted.
04:39:58 <jcowan> The great thing about PEG grammars is that the CF rules are *ordered*, so there's never any ambiguity.
04:44:12 <Arnia> How easy is it to engineer grammars? How does it cope with idioms (both atomic and constructional)? How does it cope with irregular morphology and regular morphology? How does it cope with radically different semantic systems (such as many native american languages' habit of using a MOTION+FIGURE conflation pattern)
04:44:28 <Arnia> Sorry for all the questions, but these are very relevant for me atm :/
04:54:25 <CLoCkWeRX> uh oh
04:54:59 <jcowan> It just does syntax, Arnia.
04:55:27 <Arnia> Yeah... never mind
04:55:39 <Arnia> * Arnia sighs and stares at the backup
04:55:42 <Arnia> Still isn't done
04:57:10 <jcowan> But it can handle oddball morphologies, since Lojban's morphology is nowhere near as simple as its grammar and in fact had never been mechanized before.
05:05:12 <Arnia> Was lojban's morphology motivated by orthography or phonology primarily?
05:05:29 <jcowan> * jcowan scratches his head.
05:05:32 <jcowan> Not sure how to answer that.
05:06:00 <jcowan> The main motivations were twofold: make sure that no phoneme sequence can be grouped into morphemes in more than one way,
05:06:10 <jcowan> and make sure that no word can be divided into morphemes in more than one way.
05:06:31 <jcowan> Lojban's orthography and phonology match perfectly, so either can be used.
05:08:54 <Arnia> So there was some regularity present. I'm coming to the conclusion that the only way to cope with many languages is to turn utterances into streams of phonemes and then apply the same constructional analysis at all levels
05:09:07 <Arnia> Computers aren't entirely suited to this task
05:10:09 <jcowan> We had never had a morphological analyzer that could actually organize phonemes into morphemes before.
05:11:21 <Arnia> What language is this written in?
05:11:50 <jcowan> There are two PEG parsers, one in Java (which we use) and the other I believe is in Haskell.
05:14:08 <Arnia> The haskell figures
05:14:23 <Arnia> Ok. And they're just context free grammars?
05:15:32 <BeHappy_> ookay, all this time to show a simple listbox...
05:15:34 <jcowan> It's 0113 here, so I'm not that coherent.
05:15:40 <BeHappy_> lets see to do something usable here.
05:15:41 <jcowan> See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parsing_expression_grammar, which is a lot clearer.
05:17:08 <Arnia> Ah, the name PEG just clicked
05:17:13 <Arnia> Thought it was familiar
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05:24:11 <jcowan> Ah.
05:24:14 <jcowan> Is it useful at all?
05:25:27 <Arnia> Not sure... quite tired atm. Need to consider it more
05:27:28 <Arnia> The lack of ambiguity may kill it though
05:27:51 <Arnia> Especially when I get into the realms of polysemy
05:31:47 <bjoern_> This is evil: http://www.kso.cc/image/hahahaha/wallpaper-bart-vader-simpson.jpg
05:33:20 <jcowan> Arnia: the Lojban PEG grammar is at http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/hobbies/lojban/grammar/lojban.peg.txt and http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/hobbies/lojban/grammar/lojban_morphology.peg.txt .
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05:48:48 <jcowan> It may be helpful to look at.
05:48:51 <jcowan> Ittywhonk!
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06:29:31 <BeHappy_> uhm
06:29:58 <BeHappy_> in the foaf rdfschema i cannot understand how it says foaf:Person is a subclass of foaf:Agent
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08:44:28 <xover> phenny: tell sbp <http://cheesedip.com/2005/08/18/lem_love__tensor_algebra.php>
08:44:30 <phenny> xover: I'll pass that on when sbp is around.
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10:03:52 <sbp> man, the regexp for URIs in the swhack logs is getting mad
10:03:54 <sbp> r_uri = re.compile(
10:03:56 <sbp> r'(http://([^\s<>"\'\[\]),;:.&]|&(?!gt;)|[\[\]),;:.](?! ))+)'
10:03:58 <sbp> )
10:04:13 <sbp> I should make that [gl]t;
10:04:22 <Jibbler> have you got something against https?
10:04:39 <sbp> done
10:04:43 <sbp> aaaaaaaaaaargh
10:05:56 <sbp> r_uri = re.compile(
10:05:56 <sbp> r'((?:ftp|https?)://([^\s<>"\'\[\]),;:.&]|&(?![gl]t;)|[\[\]),;:.](?! ))+)'
10:05:56 <sbp> )
10:06:32 <sbp> thanks, good call
10:08:54 <Jibbler> i guess you can safely ignore gopher: and suchlike :)
10:11:09 <sbp> yeah, though with a tear
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10:15:20 <kandinski> back in black
10:15:22 <phenny> kandinski: 17 Aug 05:14Z <jilldaw> tell kandinski that I'm making an abomination!
10:15:26 <phenny> kandinski: 17 Aug 05:16Z <jilldaw> tell kandinski that I had to leave the room to keep from stirring. The Urge was Strong.
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10:45:54 <Jibbler> lolololol - Google are selling 14.159265 million share.... (that's a piece of pi :)
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12:28:34 <chimezie_> .query $xmlAkara "type(rss:item) |- rss:title -> contains('ftss')"
12:28:48 <Emeka> Querying against 535 triples
12:28:48 <Emeka> [u'<http://uche.ogbuji.net/tech/akara/nodes/2003-10-03/ftss>']
12:29:12 <sbp> .gc microscule
12:29:14 <chimezie_> .query $xmlAkara "(type(rss:item) |- rss:title -> contains('ftss')) - rss:title -> *"
12:29:15 <phenny> microscule: 39
12:29:27 <Emeka> Querying against 535 triples
12:29:27 <Emeka> [u"The 'ftss' URI scheme"]
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12:42:56 <chimezie> .query $copia "query-chain('\'xforms\'',$dcSubjectSearch2)"
12:43:02 <Emeka> Querying against 375 triples
12:43:02 <Emeka> []
12:43:57 <chimezie> .query $copia "query-chain('\'XForms\'',$rssTitleSearch)"
12:44:03 <Emeka> Ft.Rdf.Parsers.Versa.RuntimeException: Variable undefined: ("None", "rssTitleSearch").
12:44:39 <chimezie> .query $copia "query-chain('\'XForms\'',$rssTitleSearch1)"
12:44:46 <Emeka> Querying against 375 triples
12:44:46 <Emeka> []
12:46:29 <kandinski> .ety mantequilla
12:46:33 <phenny> mantequilla: no etymology found
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12:59:46 <crschmidt> hahaha: http://www.livejournal.com/users/atrustheotaku/284919.html
12:59:50 <crschmidt> (RSS 3 rant)
13:04:00 <sbp> "Are you ready for RSS 3? Im having trouble controlling my sphincters right now."
13:06:19 <Arnia> "I'm in awe. Maybe we need an RSS Pi?"
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13:10:39 <Monty> howdy, _Angel_
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13:43:18 <Monty> hey edsu
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13:55:10 <jsled> heh. "I’m taking more than a few liberties with the phrasing. I assure you, it’s only to make the true meaning clearer."
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15:34:07 <Morbus> http://www.walken2008.com/
15:36:56 <kandinski> Christopher Walken would make an awesome US president
15:37:20 <Morbus> i'd vote for him.
15:37:27 <Morbus> regardless of whether i agreed with him.
15:37:30 <Morbus> just to see what'd happen.
15:37:54 <kandinski> awesome
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15:38:12 <Monty> welcome, BeHappy_
15:38:46 <BeHappy_> thank you, Monty
15:38:49 <Monty> vicarius = http://metacognition.info/Rules/owl-rules-minimum.n3
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15:54:08 <kpreid> BeHappy_: what was it about the foaf schema?
15:54:33 <BeHappy_> kpreid, oh, i just cannot find the way it states that foaf:Person is a subclass of foaf:Agent
15:56:01 <crschmidt> ^allRelated http://xmlns.com/foaf/0.1/Person
15:56:04 <julie> rdfs:isDefinedBy foaf:, rdfs:comment A person., rdfs:subClassOf foaf:Agent, rdfs:subClassOf geo:SpatialThing, http://www.w3.org/2003/06/sw-vocab-status/ns#term_status testing, owl:disjointWith foaf:Project, owl:disjointWith foaf:Organization, owl:disjointWith foaf:Document, rdf:type rdfs:Class, rdfs:subClassOf contact:Person, rdfs:subClassOf wn16:Person, rdfs:label Person
15:57:35 <chimezie> .query $foafOnt "foaf:Person - rdfs:comment -> *"
15:57:38 <Emeka> Querying against 560 triples
15:57:38 <Emeka> [u'A person.']
15:57:44 <crschmidt> <rdfs:subClassOf><owl:Class rdf:about="http://xmlns.com/wordnet/1.6/Person"/></rdfs:subClassOf>
15:57:48 <chimezie> such a useful comment
15:58:02 <jessica> * jessica metaasks crschmidt.
15:58:07 <crschmidt> <rdfs:subClassOf><owl:Class rdf:about="http://xmlns.com/wordnet/1.6/Agent"/></rdfs:subClassOf>
15:58:11 <chimezie> .query $foafOnt "foaf:Person - rdfs:subClassOf -> *"
15:58:15 <Emeka> Querying against 560 triples
15:58:15 <Emeka> [u'wordNet:Person', u'wordNet:Agent', u'<http://www.w3.org/2000/10/swap/pim/contact#Person>', u'<http://www.w3.org/2003/01/geo/wgs84_pos#SpatialThing>']
15:58:32 <BeHappy_> http://pastebin.com/340847 <- that's from the schema
15:58:39 <crschmidt> hm
15:58:44 <crschmidt> maybe it doesn't say it anymore?
15:59:41 <kpreid> wasn't there something about changes for OWL restrictions?
15:59:47 <kpreid> but it *should*
16:00:41 <BeHappy_> subClassOf properties can be expressed via OWL?
16:00:44 <kpreid> I say it's a bug, insofar as I still understand RDF
16:00:53 <BeHappy_> ha!
16:01:31 <crschmidt> kpreid: more likely a mistake
16:04:23 <BeHappy_> what should i do? wait for the "official" schema to be fixed or to add that triple manually in my dataset?
16:04:32 <kpreid> both
16:05:09 <BeHappy_> mmh, kay
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16:11:24 <Monty> Thank goodness, jetscreamer is back!
16:11:26 <phenny> Be quiet, Monty.
16:11:28 <Monty> heh, heh - powerfully heavy...
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16:52:51 <xover> phenny: tell kandinski You seen <http://www.thisspartanlife.com/> yet?
16:52:53 <phenny> xover: I'll pass that on when kandinski is around.
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17:02:56 <MoiraA> greetings
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17:53:44 <sbp> gah, where is jcowan
17:54:14 <Arnia> When is jcowan?
17:55:46 <sbp> wherefore art jcowan?
17:56:07 <crschmidt> probably in new york
17:58:03 <Arnia> France!
17:58:08 <sbp> Babylon
17:58:56 <Arnia> Avalon *begins doing a Brian Ferry impression*
18:23:38 <edsu> * edsu pretends he is brian eno playing some synths
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19:04:23 <bjoern_> "In an increasingly aggressive attention economy, more sophisticated media are called upon to reach a post-literate audience more effectively."
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19:07:12 <bjoern_> "Such active first-person encounters with the subject matter compete well for the attention of the ipod generation."
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19:27:36 <crschmidt> 65.110.51.60
19:27:37 <crschmidt> ergh
19:27:45 <crschmidt> http://crschmidt.net/noets/114
19:27:45 <crschmidt> that
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19:32:25 <sbp> Julie now supports ASK SPARQL queries.
19:32:31 <sbp> that's only a little longer than the URI
19:32:34 <crschmidt> yep
19:32:35 <sbp> especially with the mispaste
19:32:48 <crschmidt> but the URL identifies the concept
19:32:55 <sbp> so do the words
19:33:07 <crschmidt> can't attach additional objects to a literal
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19:33:34 <sbp> [ rdf:value "Julie now supports ASK SPARQL queries."; :prop :objt ] .
19:33:54 <crschmidt> bnodes suck
19:34:02 <sbp> oh?
19:34:20 <sbp> a data: URI would work too, of course
19:34:40 <crschmidt> yeah, but that'd be longer and uglier
19:34:58 <sbp> more persistent though
19:35:15 <sbp> ugly doesn't matter inside RDF
19:35:26 <sbp> nor length, especially given it's just a few characters more
19:35:29 <crschmidt> It won't solely be used inside RDF
19:35:43 <crschmidt> with a URI, other people can reference it
19:35:53 <sbp> but we're talking about the URI vs. the words
19:36:00 <sbp> if people can use a URI, they can use the words instead
19:36:05 <sbp> which cuts out the deferencing step
19:36:25 <crschmidt> additionally, I can add additional information to the URI at some point
19:36:37 <crschmidt> so a year from now when someone's reading the swhack logs, the information at that URI may be more informative
19:36:48 <sbp> but then you'd have to migrate it from the current backend
19:36:57 <jsled> Or less!
19:37:04 <sbp> yeah, less is more likely
19:37:10 <sbp> hence the words are better
19:37:32 <crschmidt> why would I have to migrate it from the current backend?
19:37:38 <crschmidt> I can add more information to that URI at any time
19:38:00 <sbp> oh yeah, I forgot I designed it well
19:38:25 <crschmidt> See? Now there's additional information there
19:39:04 <sbp> you Winer!
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19:42:11 <Morbus> ooh, i wonder if winer talked abotu rss3.
19:42:47 <sbp> I keep telling you it's highly unlikely
19:43:09 <Morbus> I MUST CONTINUE TO DREAM.
19:43:18 <sbp> if everyone else is scoffing at it, just imagine what Dave's doing
19:43:36 <Morbus> trying to find out the exact date he invented it?
19:43:48 <sbp> why would he do that?
19:43:57 <Morbus> he's invented everything.
19:44:03 <sbp> oh, *he* he
19:44:06 <Morbus> actualy, he should come out and say that its against the spec.
19:44:08 <sbp> I thought you meant him, he
19:44:15 <Morbus> cos, rss 2.0 complains that new standards should not be named rss.
19:44:24 <Morbus> no, not him he, him kim che
19:44:33 <Morbus> * Morbus is working on the db tables for his game
19:44:35 <Morbus> * Morbus yays.
19:44:35 <sbp> it wouldn't make it any more moronic if Winer decried it as such
19:44:38 <sbp> heh
19:44:43 <Morbus> i've also started workign mentally a serial rpg.
19:44:47 <Morbus> about death and romance.
19:45:31 <sbp> "Me: I think Foocamp is a bad idea, esp now that we know that everyone has a veto, and if you dare complain you won't get an invite."
19:45:45 <Morbus> i thought he always thought it was a bad idea.
19:45:51 <Morbus> cos he hadn't been invited before.
19:45:54 <sbp> he who?
19:45:55 <sbp> ah
19:45:59 <Morbus> and that's so stop motion.
19:46:03 <crschmidt> anyway, the noets page now actually has a sample in usage
19:46:06 <sbp> heh, heh
19:46:09 <Morbus> you know, not inviting the peoople you don't like listening too.
19:46:20 <Morbus> as opposed to, say, him moderating the rss2 mailing list, back in the day.
19:46:37 <Morbus> how long is an amazon asin?
19:46:50 <Morbus> and should i char(xx) it or varchar(xx)+5 it to allow for expansion?
19:47:22 <sbp> "PS: Exclusive events suck. Even so, I think we'll have one, but it'll be defined by the people who are not invited. Everyone else is welcome. It's just a joke. Pretty funny, eh? Hehe. Permanent link to this item in the archive."
19:47:38 <sbp> - http://archive.scripting.com/2005/08/17#When:10:25:36AM
19:47:53 <sbp> I'd allow for expansion
19:47:58 <sbp> you never know with companies
19:48:09 <Morbus> i'll do varchar(15) then.
19:48:11 <Morbus> they're currently 10.
19:48:24 <sbp> look... yeah
19:48:35 <sbp> I WAS JUST SKATHANYING THAT
19:49:22 <Morbus> [[[
19:49:22 <Morbus> <moshe_work> Cvbge: thats bookmark.module
19:49:22 <Morbus> <moshe_work> drupa.org chooses not to use it
19:49:22 <Morbus> <Morbus> BECAUSE THEY ARE SINNERS.
19:49:22 <Morbus> <Morbus> whoops, wrong channel.
19:49:23 <Morbus> ]]]
19:49:32 <sbp> I think Foo should invite Dave though
19:49:43 <Morbus> and not tell him about the special event.
19:49:45 <Morbus> it'll be like a wicker man.
19:49:49 <Morbus> the winer man event.
19:49:57 <Morbus> put him in a big wicker computer screen.
19:49:59 <Morbus> and then light him on fire.
19:50:00 <sbp> please don't start a movement
19:50:08 <Morbus> wicker man, not burning man.
19:50:14 <Morbus> its a movie. fucking uneducated hobo.
19:50:22 <sbp> I know it's a movie
19:50:28 <sbp> <Morbus> the winer man event.
19:50:28 <Morbus> you wanna fight?
19:50:32 <sbp> don't start that
19:50:34 <sbp> YES
19:50:36 <sbp> | o
19:50:47 <Morbus> o |
19:50:50 <sbp> | o
19:51:08 <Morbus> o |
19:51:15 <sbp> | o
19:51:26 <Morbus> o |
19:51:35 <sbp> | *BIP* o
19:52:06 <Morbus> *BIP*? Wtf? | o ARGH! DAMN YOU AND YOUR DISRrACTIONS?
19:52:15 <sbp> heh, heh
19:52:35 <sbp> yeah, that was the computer's only defence
19:52:41 <sbp> making the annoying noise at you
19:53:04 <sbp> sbp has changed the topic to: <Morbus> *BIP*? Wtf? | o ARGH! DAMN YOU AND YOUR DISRrACTIONS?
19:53:27 <Morbus> out of context, that topic makes absolutely no sense.
19:53:42 <sbp> brilliance par excellence
19:54:15 <sbp> shame it didn't preserve the whitespace, too
19:54:19 <Morbus> hey, when do the british take their tea time?
19:54:34 <crschmidt> 4pm, i thought?
19:54:36 <sbp> as in dinner? between kinda 5PM and 8PM I guess
19:54:41 <crschmidt> oh
19:54:51 <Morbus> sbp: i thought that was high tea.
19:54:52 <libby> tea - all the time
19:55:04 <sbp> yeah, cups of tea whenever
19:55:08 <Morbus> oh.
19:55:15 <Morbus> i thought there was a magical time where all of britain shut down.
19:55:21 <Morbus> soldiers dropped their guards.
19:55:25 <sbp> we call those Bank Holidays
19:55:30 <Morbus> street lights turned a nice burghundy color.
19:55:34 <sbp> hehe
19:55:35 <Morbus> and every one just stopped and drank tea.
19:55:52 <sbp> elevenses maybe?
19:56:12 <Morbus> elevenes?
19:56:30 <sbp> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elevenses
19:56:54 <Morbus> In Britain, the North American gathering described above is always called Afternoon Tea (or just tea) and generally would take place some time between 3.30 and 4.30 pm. This meal was developed by "ladies of leisure" in the 19th century.
19:57:50 <sbp> ladies of leisure? heh
19:58:16 <Morbus> Since the number of women who do not work has now declined, afternoon tea has come to be seen as old-fashioned by some. It is not the case that all or most Britons eat such a meal every day.
19:58:57 <sbp> Wikipedia's American. what does it know?
19:59:33 <Morbus> it knows nothing about you.
19:59:40 <Morbus> OH NOE. SBP DOES NOT EXIST.
19:59:58 <sbp> yes it does. I'm mentioned in Spidering Hacks
19:59:58 <Morbus> * Morbus goe sback to his database.
20:01:35 <Arnia> Breezy is nice
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20:07:29 <Monty> bah, it's julie again
20:08:18 <jsled> Monty, you're rude.
20:08:21 <Monty> evening all of "heading" as is awesome
20:08:42 <jsled> Monty, you don't know the first thing about awesome
20:08:45 <Monty> I love it when you stock humid family ;)
20:08:53 <jsled> * jsled blushes
20:13:17 <sbp> "People are shown as healthy, happy and hard working in Beer Street, while in Gin lane, they are scrawny, lazy and acting carelessly, such as the drunk woman at the front who reaches for a snuff box and in doing so, drops her baby." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Hogarth#Beer_Street_and_Gin_Lane
20:13:35 <Morbus> i swear to god, that's gonna happy to me.
20:13:42 <Morbus> i'm gonna be playing DDR with my baby in my arms.
20:13:50 <Morbus> i'm gonna drop her, she'll become the up arrow.
20:13:56 <sbp> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:BeerStreet.jpg
20:13:59 <sbp> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:GinLane.jpg
20:14:05 <Morbus> and as the life ebbs from her, i'll finally earn that AAA score I've long lusted after.
20:14:14 <sbp> you need to get someone to paint that
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20:44:08 <jcowan> Ittywhonk!
20:44:42 <Morbus> THERE YOUARE>
20:45:34 <jcowan> Yeah. You rang?
20:46:26 <jcowan> I just wrote up Monotapute House.
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21:08:31 <BeHappy_> anf anf anf
21:08:49 <BeHappy_> another small brick for my little app built
21:09:08 <BeHappy_> now time for beer
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21:18:56 <JibberJim> .ety chicken
21:19:00 <phenny> chicken: Middle English chiken, from Old English cicen young chicken; akin to Old English cocc cock
21:19:21 <JibberJim> .ety "Melting Pot"
21:19:25 <phenny> "Melting Pot": no etymology found
21:19:57 <jcowan> A chicken in every peasant's pot every Sunday!
21:41:43 <sbp> yo JibberJim, jcowan
21:41:46 <sbp> .gc suspection
21:41:48 <phenny> suspection: 4,800
21:42:03 <jcowan> Ho hey ho, sbp. See WITP mail.
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21:52:30 <sbp> jcowan: hmm, I do believe you may be right
21:52:45 <sbp> the problem then is that the "fare frittfritt" sense would have to be the kind of generic messing about too
21:53:00 <sbp> so if some kids were running around, you could say they're doing it cricket-a-wicket
21:53:27 <sbp> * sbp wonders how he messed up the URI
21:53:57 <jcowan> Yes.
21:54:29 <sbp> okay, corrected that. tips on how to correct the Steg story?
21:54:46 <sbp> I'm also still not sure how you got thatchworm from his name
21:54:53 <sbp> well, roofworm
21:55:02 <jcowan> stego-saurus = roof-lizard.
21:55:09 <sbp> ah!
21:55:09 <jcowan> or roof-reptile, whatever.
21:56:19 <sbp> ooh!
21:56:21 <sbp> .gc jiggajoggy
21:56:23 <phenny> jiggajoggy: 13
21:56:51 <sbp> seems to be someone's name. Italian
21:57:29 <sbp> .gc jiggy-joggy
21:57:32 <phenny> jiggy-joggy: 68
21:57:45 <sbp> that one's used in a Thomas Dekker play
21:57:54 <jcowan> Oho.
21:58:01 <sbp> [[[
21:58:02 <sbp> FIRK. How, merry! Why, our buttocks went jiggy-joggy like a quagmire. Well, Sir Roger Oatmeal, if I thought all meal of that nature, I would eat nothing but bagpuddings.
21:58:07 <sbp> ]]] - http://www.bartleby.com/47/1/42.html
21:58:52 <sbp> ah! http://www.mail-archive.com/lute@cs.dartmouth.edu/msg02274.html
21:59:26 <sbp> [[[
21:59:26 <sbp> _Dibatticare_, to thrum a
21:59:26 <sbp> wench lustily till the bed cry giggajoggie ...
21:59:30 <sbp> ]]] - Florio
21:59:36 <jcowan> Oho.
21:59:51 <jcowan> One of the several Boontling words for "sexual intercourse" was "ricky-chow".
22:00:03 <sbp> ricky-chow! where from?
22:00:15 <jcowan> The noises made by a hotel bed with cheap springs.
22:00:15 <sbp> oh, the bed noise?
22:00:19 <sbp> gotcha
22:00:34 <jcowan> "Burlapin" was a more common term, from the use of burlap sacks as impromptu bedding.
22:00:58 <sbp> now... should I correct this in-post or make a new entry?
22:01:51 <jcowan> New entry, I'd say.
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22:02:13 <sbp> umkay, and I'll add a forward link
22:02:28 <sbp> and log reference. live exclusive linguistic investigation, here on Swhack! :-)
22:04:38 <Arnia> * Arnia hums 'Carol of the Bells'
22:07:11 <sbp> [[[
22:07:13 <sbp> Psychologist Petal Porter-Psmith also gave everybody a choice of one of three words to sum up his lifestyle: hanky-panky, rumpy-humpy or jiggy-joggy. ...
22:07:21 <sbp> ]]] - http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/Ads19/swami.htm
22:08:11 <jcowan> Those clearly all refer to sex.
22:09:19 <sbp> hmm! part of the Beatles' Golden Slumbers is from DEkker
22:09:22 <sbp> Dekker, even
22:10:43 <Arnia> Desmond Dekker?
22:11:52 <Arnia> http://www.darrenbarefoot.com/hall/
22:14:10 <sbp> sbp has changed the topic to: Caution: Sitting down may cause your erection to become noisy
22:14:16 <sbp> (- http://www.darrenbarefoot.com/hall/slides/Audible%20Penis.html)
22:16:32 <sbp> wow at http://www.darrenbarefoot.com/hall/slides/Clever%20Housewife.html
22:23:22 <jcowan> Ittywhonk!
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22:24:17 <Arnia> http://www.darrenbarefoot.com/hall/slides/Dragon%20Ballz.html
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22:31:34 <sbp> wow, that's especially wacky
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23:02:07 <BigJibby> Monty, wass'up?
23:02:10 <Monty> I reckon poop-scoops + jabberclackers = sinch ;)
23:02:28 <BigJibby> Monty, you reckon good
23:02:32 <Monty> We must accept that CVS jumping Chunky kisses symlinked shitty sperm!
23:02:51 <BigJibby> Monty, I accept
23:02:53 <Monty> later man event.
23:02:54 <Arnia> Haven't seen jabberclackers mentioned in a long time
23:03:10 <BigJibby> Monty, http://www.yourethemannowdog.com/
23:03:13 <Monty> I wish I could stock dodgy experiments :(
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23:03:42 <BigJibby> Monty, beware the jabberwocky!
23:03:43 <Monty> Please go on.
23:03:51 <BigJibby> Monty, no
23:03:51 <Monty> Why 'no' ?
23:03:59 <BigJibby> Monty, just cause
23:04:01 <Monty> L7T:iphone vfest
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23:05:32 <BigJibby> Monty, please go on
23:05:33 <Monty> What does that suggest to you ?
23:05:50 <BigJibby> Monty, Mac is going down
23:05:53 <Monty> (I forget what was asus pocket pcs
23:06:10 <BigJibby> Monty, it was Abit
23:06:15 <Monty> <rdfs:subClassOf><owl:Class rdf:about="http://xmlns.com/wordnet/1.6/Agent"/></rdfs:subClassOf>
23:06:49 <BigJibby> Monty, your soul is empty
23:06:52 <Monty> shell scripts's den magnifies Zelenka's pants.
23:08:24 <bear> bear is now known as bear_afk
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23:08:57 <BigJibby> hi julie
23:09:06 <BigJibby> phenny, hello
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23:16:21 <shen139> * shen139 bye bye
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23:45:13 <bjoern_> "The Nice programming langugage (http://nice.sourceforge.net/) has a nice way to solve this."
23:45:20 <bjoern_> yeah, that seemed sort of expected...
23:45:56 <Arnia> What's that referring to?
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23:56:22 <bjoern_> well, it's from http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.perl.perl6.language/4588
23:59:59 <Arnia> Ah... YAL
