00:00:41 <sbp> well
00:00:54 <sbp> I got it confused with Daniel Mboya to start with
00:01:03 <sbp> then I lost track of which day was Friday
00:01:38 <sbp> note what Morbus dibbed though
00:01:46 <sbp> he's essentially forced me to play turn B next round
00:01:53 <sbp> very clever
00:02:06 <sbp> er, phantomed not dibbed
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00:03:52 <jcowan> So he has.
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00:04:27 <crschmidt> * crschmidt apologizes
00:04:31 <crschmidt> couldn't figure out which bot was the right bot
00:04:56 <jcowan> * jcowan thinks only iwned and lwned are even remotely plausible as typos.
00:05:07 <sbp> kwned
00:05:21 <jcowan> Of course there is 0wned, but that is perchance too obviousl'
00:05:27 <jcowan> s/'l//
00:05:28 <sbp> 9wned
00:05:38 <jcowan> * jcowan emits the Double Positive.
00:05:52 <sbp> that's what he says, he says yeah yeah
00:06:51 <kpreid> jcowan: Oops. [ was a confusion.
00:07:09 <sbp> who first said that they lost the slight fancy that once sustained them?
00:07:51 <jcowan> * jcowan loves you Triple Positive.
00:07:59 <sbp> heh!
00:08:10 <jcowan> sbp: the guy who used to read the fiction slushpile for the New Yorker in the early days, IIRC.
00:08:15 <sbp> * sbp should be glad
00:08:28 <jcowan> * jcowan is positive for TB.
00:08:32 <sbp> aha (AIOC oho)
00:08:56 <sbp> hmm?
00:23:09 <jcowan> SOmewhere in my too too solid flesh lurks the White Plague, walled off forever by a mass of dead cells that Heroically Perished for the Good Of All.
00:24:25 <sbp> ...
00:26:11 <jcowan> as evidenced by the PPC test, which causes you to get four little red bumps if you have antibodies to the tuberculosis bacillum.
00:27:05 <sbp> oh, that thing
00:27:53 <sbp> right, I'm off
00:27:55 <sbp> 'night all!
00:28:06 <jcowan> Night.
00:54:24 <jcowan> * jcowan successfully reads out loud the entire Meldersen entry in only five breaths.
00:54:29 <jcowan> http://gamegrene.com/wiki/Meldersen
01:01:22 <jcowan> Ittywhonk!
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01:03:36 <MoiraA> it must be late if even sbp has gone to bed
01:04:16 <Arnia> * Arnia nods
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02:48:05 <AaronSw`> Anybody here in SF?
02:48:07 <AaronSw`> AaronSw` is now known as AaronSw-SF
02:48:07 <phenny> AaronSw`: 12 Aug 07:39Z <Arnia> ask AaronSw` whether he considers himself a former RDF proponent (re: http://www.mackmo.com/nick/blog/tech/?permalink=Legacy+RDF.txt)
02:48:11 <phenny> AaronSw`: 12 Aug 19:12Z <Morbus> tell AaronSw` http://fishbowl.pastiche.org/2005/08/12/the_head_first_girls_double_life
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02:49:31 <AaronSw-SF> phenny, tell Arnia it is true that I propounded RDF in the past
02:49:33 <phenny> AaronSw-SF: I'll pass that on when arnia is around.
03:04:58 <crschmidt> heh, heh
03:05:04 <crschmidt> hi AaronSw
03:05:54 <AaronSw-SF> hi
03:06:10 <crschmidt> How's the startup?
03:06:14 <AaronSw-SF> ok
03:06:24 <crschmidt> still have an army of interns? :)
03:06:32 <AaronSw-SF> not so much
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03:12:07 <Monty> bah, it's AaronSw` again
03:14:02 <crschmidt> hey, AaronSw`, did you know your blog is in the sample blogs for NetNewsWire?
03:18:02 <crschmidt> Huh, so is Disobey and DECAFBAD
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03:36:32 <thelsdj> crschmidt: how many sample blogs are there?
03:36:49 <crschmidt> in the weblogs categories (they're done by letter), several hundred
03:40:31 <thelsdj> yea i think they've been in there for years
03:40:39 <thelsdj> i kinda remember them when i used nnw
03:55:30 <crschmidt> * crschmidt nods
03:55:32 <crschmidt> Just noticed it
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09:25:12 <CaptSolo> Hi all :)
09:26:02 <CaptSolo> crschmidt: hi, got your comment
09:26:30 <CaptSolo> crschmidt: i could not figure where an error might be in my code either (as it is also very short)
09:26:45 <CaptSolo> could it be redland python bindings?
09:32:08 <Arnia> Hey
09:32:10 <phenny> Arnia: 02:49Z <AaronSw-SF> tell Arnia it is true that I propounded RDF in the past
09:33:19 <CaptSolo> SBP's and Morbus's Cease&Desist letter's a nice one :)
09:35:23 <Narrenschiff> Narrenschiff (n=ritchie@unsidhe.plus.com) has joined #swhack
09:35:23 <Monty> But what does Narrenschiff have to do with the price of fish?
09:35:25 <phenny> Hush there, Monty.
09:35:27 <Monty> someone's having Tor
09:39:02 <Arnia> Really, lucky Tor
09:39:49 <bjoern_> Tor is german for gate/door and fool...
09:39:49 <Narrenschiff> Bob Moog's dead.
09:42:38 <Arnia> :/
09:43:23 <kandinski> AH
09:43:30 <kandinski> alas, Bob Moog
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09:49:50 <Arnia> Hey libby *takes over from Monty briefly*
09:49:52 <Monty> how to integrate it :p
09:50:52 <kandinski> Libby!
09:52:08 <Narrenschiff> I could never afford any of his equipment, but I'd look at it from afar until the music shop people threw me out.
09:52:41 <libby> hey guys
09:53:17 <bjoern_> Monty, calc 29+11+12+2
09:53:17 <Monty> bjoern_: 54
09:57:13 <kandinski> for a while second-hand Moogs were even cheap
09:57:16 <kandinski> late 80s
09:57:31 <kandinski> at least a friend of mine got one rilly stupidly cheap
09:57:37 <kandinski> more like early 90's I guess
10:00:03 <Narrenschiff> tidy!
10:00:27 <Narrenschiff> Stupidest thing I ever saw was some... hollowed out mini-moog that was an interface for a soft synth.
10:01:41 <Arnia> [[[
10:01:44 <Arnia> The driver exports both a device node and some sysfs files. I guess we could park the drive heads in an emergency. Or something. But the cool hack--really cute, I must say--is to use the hdaps as an input device, replacing your mouse with the laptop itself, which is now acting like a pinball machine, albeit with a second axis.
10:01:59 <Arnia> ]]] --http://rlove.org/log/2005082201
10:11:05 <kandinski> oh
10:11:15 <kandinski> my laptop has an accelerometer too
10:13:54 <Arnia> Is it an accelerometer or one of these twin-axis position thingies
10:14:10 <Arnia> And further, would you use it as an input device?
10:20:14 <kandinski> yes
10:20:23 <kandinski> I would if I had a driver
10:20:32 <kandinski> there is only a non-open-source .net component
10:20:55 <kandinski> (available to us cattle who merely BOUGHT the machine, as opposed to, I dunno, Microsoft)
10:27:53 <Arnia> How easy would such a thing be to control?
10:32:36 <Narrenschiff> It's fairly intuitive!
10:32:44 <Narrenschiff> I mean, I already shake things that don't work.
10:35:22 <Arnia> heh
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10:41:30 <kandinski> on shake (): start.working(again)
11:06:06 <kandinski> phenny: tell jcowan thanks for turning me towards the gmane interface to usenet and comp.licenses.opensource.general. It is being very interesting and useful.
11:06:09 <phenny> kandinski: I'll pass that on when jcowan is around.
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12:15:34 <crschmidt> CaptSolo: yeah, that was more directed at amk, really
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13:10:44 <eaon> Slashdot is down
13:10:59 <eaon> For quite a while now
13:11:47 <Arnia> Back
13:11:51 <Arnia> It is back
13:11:59 <eaon> Aww
13:15:25 <Arnia> :)
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13:38:03 <Monty> welcome, chimezie
13:38:36 <chimezie> Monty, what does that have to do with the price of tea in China?
13:38:36 <Monty> What answer would please you most ?
13:38:49 <chimezie> Monty, the one that is most humourous
13:38:50 <Monty> floyd: have two generations
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14:19:09 <verbosus> QWHACK!
14:19:25 <eaon> PACK!
14:19:41 <chimezie> ^add http://metacognition.info/ontologies/4SuiteRepository.owl
14:19:41 <julie> Adding http://metacognition.info/ontologies/4SuiteRepository.owl to my database...
14:19:50 <julie> Added 97 statements from http://metacognition.info/ontologies/4SuiteRepository.owl. Model size is 2118392.
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15:27:53 <kandinski> JibberJim: it turns out I am going to Camb ridge tomorrow
15:28:05 <kandinski> how are you fixed for lunch today?
15:28:08 <kandinski> err.. right
15:28:15 <kandinski> what about early drinks before dinner?
15:29:28 <JibberJim> Sorry kandinskim, early would be tough :-(
15:29:37 <JibberJim> well impossible really :-(
15:29:39 <kandinski> lunch tomorrow?
15:30:27 <JibberJim> hmm, I've got a meeting at 2 an hour from the center, so need to be over by 1
15:34:46 <kandinski> I can meet you wherever
15:34:55 <kandinski> and eating at 12 is good by me, really
15:34:57 <crschmidt> bah!
15:35:08 <crschmidt> chimezie: your edit change the link for your "What are you doing, dave?" link
15:35:09 <kandinski> (in fact eating early is good, because that way I can go to Cambridge earlier)
15:35:15 <crschmidt> er, entry
15:39:05 <chimezie> * chimezie checks quickly
15:39:27 <crschmidt> chimezie: see planet.swhack.com
15:39:30 <chimezie> k
15:39:38 <JibberJim> but it means I need to get up early :-)
15:39:44 <crschmidt> er... no
15:39:53 <crschmidt> hm
15:40:04 <crschmidt> well, my aggregator kept the old copy around
15:40:19 <crschmidt> http://copia.ogbuji.net/blog/2005/08/22#a_sentient_semistructured_repository is the current, the old was 08/21
15:40:26 <chimezie> that's odd
15:40:49 <chimezie> all i did was change the content of the entry (pybloxom)
15:41:05 <crschmidt> well, yeah, but doesn't bloxsom do everything based on modtimes?
15:41:33 <chimezie> yeah
15:41:54 <uche> chimezie, easy fix
15:42:08 <chimezie> yeah?
15:42:12 <uche> because of such mod-time based problems, I implemented a workaround
15:42:34 <uche> I'll run it and e-mail you the magic incantation
15:42:56 <uche> fixed
15:42:59 <chimezie> thx
15:43:13 <uche> crschmidt, could you verify?
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15:43:22 <Monty> howdy, Eimi
15:43:40 <uche> I at first considered it a design bug in PyBlosxom
15:43:56 <uche> But I think it's more that the built-in Atom flavor shouldn't be using date-based URLs
15:44:03 <uche> I keep forgetting to patch that
15:44:52 <uche> wow
15:44:54 <chimezie> yeah i was wondering if that's standard for most blog toolkits
15:45:03 <uche> planet swhack busy since Friday
15:45:08 <chimezie> yup
15:45:11 <uche> chimezie, I do think it's standard
15:45:26 <chimezie> dat-based URLs seem uneccessary if the items are uniquely named but...
15:45:26 <uche> certainly for blosxom and blojsom (sp?)
15:45:40 <chimezie> i've just assumed I'll always spell it incorrectly :)
15:45:47 <uche> well, the date-nbased URLs are supposed to be an option
15:46:16 <uche> "blosxom" is correct, but the Java port sticks in a "j" somewhere and I always forget where
15:46:58 <uche> .g blosjom
15:47:00 <phenny> blosjom: http://wiki.blojsom.com/wiki/display/blojsom/About+blojsom
15:47:01 <uche> .g blojsom
15:47:02 <kandinski> java?
15:47:03 <phenny> blojsom: http://wiki.blojsom.com/wiki/display/blojsom/About+blojsom
15:47:10 <kandinski> java blosxom?
15:47:11 <uche> LOL
15:47:20 <uche> They themselves know it's confusing :-)
15:47:24 <uche> kandinski, yeah
15:47:33 <uche> been around for a while now
15:47:53 <kandinski> what about haskell blosxom?
15:47:54 <uche> quite a few Blosxom porte out there
15:47:58 <kandinski> bloshom?
15:49:06 <uche> dunno about Haskell
15:49:07 <crschmidt> uche: I'm not sure what the change I'm expected to see is: http://copia.ogbuji.net/blog/2005/08/21#a_sentient_semistructured_repository does not exist, and 08/22 does
15:49:11 <uche> would make a lot of sense
15:51:32 <uche> crschmidt, I see
15:51:46 <uche> something strange is going on there
15:52:05 <uche> The mdate is 2005-08-20 17:54
15:52:14 <uche> WHich is what my little bit of magic fixed
15:52:25 <uche> Not sure why PyBlosxom is still indexing it to 8/22
15:52:35 <uche> And no time to investigate further now :-(
15:52:52 <crschmidt> no problem
15:52:55 <crschmidt> just thought i'd mention it
15:52:56 <uche> Have to add it to my list of "Things to clear up about PyBlosxom"
15:52:59 <uche> thanks
15:53:12 <uche> I will try to fix the feeds to use the safer URLs
15:53:20 <chimezie> there are two entries in the rss?
15:53:23 <crschmidt> no
15:53:27 <crschmidt> That was my mistake
15:53:31 <crschmidt> my aggregator has two copies though
15:53:34 <chimezie> oh
15:53:39 <crschmidt> one with the 08/21 date, one with the 08/20 date
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16:02:54 <chimezie> * chimezie is hoping to develop his own blogging toolkit based on 4Suite repository/Markdown/RDF/XSLT
16:11:55 <uche> chimezie, throw in CherryPy and I think we can have 3 developers form the word go
16:11:56 <uche> You, me and Lawouach
16:11:56 <uche> if you want to discuss that, join us on #cherrypy (Lawouach can't connect to Freenode because of firewall issues)
16:12:13 <uche> * uche would be willing to move Copia to such a system
16:12:38 <uche> The cool thing is that Lawouach already has a working prototype except that he uses ZODB rather than the repo
16:12:44 <uche> We can probably change his mind
16:12:55 <uche> Especially if we start the repo refactoring we've been discussing
16:13:33 <kandinski> that sounds so leet
16:13:37 <kandinski> what is 4Suite?
16:14:15 <uche> My main project (has been for years)
16:14:20 <uche> Python/XML/RDF toolkit
16:14:27 <uche> Quite popular on Python
16:14:37 <uche> .g 4suite
16:14:38 <kandinski> I like Markdown
16:14:39 <uche> .gc 4suite
16:14:39 <phenny> 4suite: http://4suite.org/
16:14:41 <phenny> 4suite: 452,000
16:14:45 <kandinski> RDF is a bit too overkillish for me now
16:16:19 <Arnia> Overkill, underkill wombling free...
16:41:54 <sbp> another slogger success story
16:42:04 <sbp> found a page from 2005-02 that I was looking for on Google but couldn't find
16:42:22 <kandinski> the normalcy files?
16:42:32 <sbp> hmm? oh, no. not that
16:42:39 <sbp> that was April 22nd, as I say
16:46:02 <kandinski> as if I were listening
16:46:09 <kandinski> anyway, I am weg now
16:48:05 <sbp> weg?
16:48:57 <kandinski> ich bin weg jetz
16:49:18 <Arnia> Wo gehst du?
16:49:31 <verbosus> l33t!
16:49:42 <kandinski> zu hause
16:50:08 <kandinski> ic komme zurück
16:50:37 <Arnia> Tschuß
16:50:58 <kandinski> tschüss
16:51:17 <verbosus> uche: a bit late, but I once had a working CherryPy blogging system
16:51:26 <uche> verbosus, oh?
16:51:30 <uche> what happened to it?
16:51:34 <verbosus> it wasn't RDF-ish though
16:51:44 <uche> RDF is easy to add
16:51:47 <verbosus> well, cherrypy development went on, and I got left behind
16:51:55 <verbosus> and then I lost interest
16:52:11 <verbosus> it was a SQLObject + CherryPy + HTMLTemplate project
16:52:42 <verbosus> kandinski: so you’re in UK now?
16:52:53 <verbosus> * verbosus was considering going to Brighton in a few weeks
16:53:23 <kandinski> yes; I am in London
16:53:59 <Arnia> * Arnia waves at kandinski from the better end of the country
16:55:42 <kandinski> Sunderland rules
16:55:53 <Arnia> Hmm
16:55:56 <Arnia> DURHAM rules :p
16:56:00 <Arnia> Sunderland...
16:56:02 <Arnia> meh
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17:03:22 <verbosus> phenny, tell sbp infomesh.net is teh b0rk, apparently
17:03:24 <phenny> verbosus: I'll pass that on when sbp is around.
17:03:39 <Arnia> phenny, tell me you love me
17:03:42 <phenny> Hey, I'm not as stupid as Monty you know!
17:03:43 <Monty> glass
17:04:03 <Arnia> phenny, start a stupid editor war
17:04:24 <Arnia> Damn... there is a bot on #ubuntu which does editor and OS wars :)
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17:35:19 <chimezie> uche: regarding collaborative work on pybloxom 'port' to 4Suite/CherryPy. I'm not so familiar w/ CherryPy (plan to change that real soon), but could you still support the kind of REST-like patterns that the current repository server does?
17:35:46 <chimezie> i.e. register URI's (and HTTP methods) to callback modules (in Python or XSLT)?
17:37:06 <uche> that's essentially how CP works
17:37:18 <uche> mapping URLs to Python functions
17:37:23 <chimezie> i wasn't so sure if it was aware of HTTP methods as well as request URI's and parameters
17:37:37 <chimezie> i was more familiar w/ the request URL mapping
17:38:01 <uche> you can extend to different methods
17:38:13 <uche> but built in hooks only for GET and POST, I think
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17:50:35 <jcowan> Ittywhonk!
17:50:37 <phenny> jcowan: 11:06Z <kandinski> tell jcowan thanks for turning me towards the gmane interface to usenet and comp.licenses.opensource.general. It is being very interesting and useful.
17:50:52 <jcowan> sbp: ping?
17:52:39 <verbosus> cough
17:54:13 <jcowan> * jcowan slaps verbosus with the cough syrup bottle.
17:54:36 <verbosus> * verbosus cries: BUAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
17:54:51 <jcowan> phenny: tell sbp that I suggest a WPIT article about the blink comparator, used both to discover Pluto and (as the "Hinman collator") to collate the First Folio variants.
17:54:53 <phenny> jcowan: I'll pass that on when sbp is around.
17:55:03 <jcowan> * jcowan comforts verbosus with bunny and blanky.
17:55:28 <verbosus> * verbosus cries EVEN MORE
17:56:38 <jcowan> * jcowan checks Verbosus's diaper.
17:57:04 <verbosus> * verbosus looks up diaper on the dictionary
17:57:06 <verbosus> .dict diaper
17:57:15 <crschmidt> .w diaper
17:57:15 <verbosus> FFS!
17:57:18 <phenny> diaper 1. garment consisting of a folded cloth drawn up between the legs and fastened at the waist
17:57:22 <phenny> diaper 2. a fabric (usually cotton or linen) with a distinctive woven pattern of small repeated figures
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18:35:53 <jcowan> Wild-ass connection of the day: Ellsberg of Ellsberg's paradox (the fact that people prefer gambles with clear-cut odds to gambles with fuzzy odds) is the same Daniel Ellsberg who leaked the Pentagon Papers to the NY Times.
18:39:04 <JibberJim> .cp ok
18:39:08 <phenny> 00A6: BROKEN BAR (¦)
18:39:11 <phenny> 00D8: LATIN CAPITAL LETTER O WITH STROKE (Ø)
18:39:14 <phenny> 00F8: LATIN SMALL LETTER O WITH STROKE (ø) [...]
18:39:22 <JibberJim> .cp \bOK\b
18:39:26 <phenny> Sorry, no results found for '\\bOK\\b'.
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18:49:00 <jcowan> JibberJim: what are you looking for?
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18:53:02 <sbp> kaboing
18:53:04 <phenny> sbp: 17:03Z <verbosus> tell sbp infomesh.net is teh b0rk, apparently
18:53:08 <phenny> sbp: 17:54Z <jcowan> tell sbp that I suggest a WPIT article about the blink comparator, used both to discover Pluto and (as the "Hinman collator") to collate the First Folio variants.
18:53:16 <sbp> phenny: tell verbosus that infomesh.net is working fine for me
18:53:19 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when verbosus is around.
18:53:40 <sbp> jcowan: awesome idea!
18:54:03 <sbp> I've added it to my drafts. I've got just over two dozen of them now, in various stages of completion
18:54:08 <sbp> about three thousand words in total
18:58:02 <jcowan> * jcowan drools at the very thought.
18:58:45 <jcowan> * jcowan wipes up the drool before it reaches his keyboard. Almost.
19:02:45 <sbp> heh, heh
19:02:58 <sbp> glad to see that you actually started blogging again, too
19:03:03 <sbp> why the huge interregnum?
19:04:49 <jcowan> No specific reason:
19:05:09 <jcowan> I think that your quhasaeuer is whosoever, not whatsoever, BTW.
19:08:20 <jcowan> My favorite aphetic word is cute < acute, which in Twain still has the sense "mentally sharp"
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19:13:51 <Monty> Speak of the devil, it's Arnia!
19:14:20 <Arnia> Anyone want to read a deliberately provocative document?
19:15:55 <Arnia> I want proof-reading and signatories for a manifesto :)
19:16:16 <jcowan> Sure.
19:16:34 <jcowan> * jcowan is very happy now that he knows Kinky Friedman (formerly of the Texas Jewboys) is running for Governor of Texas.
19:19:28 <jcowan> * jcowan is once again pissed off that Firefox won't word-wrap plain text.
19:19:49 <Arnia> Nasty :/
19:20:41 <sbp> hmm... quha-se-euire (whosoever) vs. Quat-seuer (whatsoever) vs. Quhatsumeuer (whatsomever)
19:20:52 <sbp> yeah, must be whosoever
19:20:54 <sbp> thanks
19:22:08 <sbp> * sbp corrects that one stealthily
19:22:18 <jcowan> Gee, I don't know, Arnia: seems a little bit too conservative to me.
19:22:58 <sbp> cute < acute: cute!
19:23:13 <sbp> argh, no wrapped text in Firefox indeed
19:23:22 <jcowan> I mean, MVC has been around since 1976 and Linda since 1984 or so.
19:23:32 <jcowan> Kinda old-fashioned.
19:24:20 <deltab> sbp: check a view-source window
19:24:45 <sbp> ooh, nice. View -> Wrap Long Lines
19:24:47 <deltab> I would, but my Firefox can't display text at the moment
19:24:47 <sbp> thanks deltab
19:25:04 <deltab> sbp: does that work for plain text too?
19:25:18 <sbp> that was on plain text. not sure if it works on text/html :-)
19:25:29 <Arnia> jcowan: That's what I meant by pragmatism. I'm not looking to suggest the impossible, I'm trying to get people to realise they can get a lot done really easily if they look at it differently
19:26:47 <jcowan> Kinky for Governor: http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/050822fa_fact
19:28:31 <jcowan> An excellent article on ghost words that does not mention "dord": http://www.newyorker.com/talk/content/articles/050829ta_talk_alford
19:29:31 <sbp> "Six potential Mountweazels emerged."
19:29:55 <sbp> reminds me of your "fake" interview question, jcowan
19:30:16 <jessica> * jessica watches the film of le comte de monte cristo with Chrris.
19:30:38 <jessica> he's never seen it nor read Dumas.
19:30:58 <jessica> He has no idea what a great boys' story this is.
19:31:05 <jessica> Defeating all of your enemies after decades of patience.
19:31:43 <sbp> .gc esquivalience
19:31:46 <phenny> esquivalience: 0
19:31:56 <sbp> I get one result
19:31:56 <sbp> http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=unequivalence
19:32:04 <jessica> oh, and also, incidentally, destroying the dude who stole your girlfriend after making you look bad.
19:32:07 <sbp> I should also note that Google is being very inconsistent lately
19:32:47 <jessica> I mean, seriously. Oh, and existing in a prison for over a decade and becoming a real badass with the assistance of a paternal priest.
19:33:47 <sbp> hello there jessica how are you today
19:35:09 <jessica> Tired.
19:38:26 <sbp> I'll bet you are, having to carry crschmidt around all day
19:39:30 <jessica> Why would I carry him about? :P
19:40:12 <jcowan> Why, does he have osteogenesis imperfecta?
19:40:16 <jessica> He carries me about, expensive private education, dry cleaning bills, two bolshie scions of another male, and all. :P
19:40:36 <jcowan> The usual bargain: sex for meat.
19:40:51 <jessica> Indeed. I've always wondered why men tolerate it.
19:41:01 <jcowan> Chimps do it, 'rillas do it, even Rockafillas do it, ...
19:41:06 <jessica> * jessica snerks.
19:41:37 <jcowan> See, it's the same as trouble talk and Male Answer Syndrome: all we apes are just the same.
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20:14:28 <sbp> good new chat up line
20:14:39 <sbp> "I have some meat if any of you ladies would like to sample it."
20:15:10 <Arnia> ...
20:15:21 <Arnia> * Arnia hides his face in shame
20:15:24 <JibberJim> give us a knife and I'll just take a small slice, I'm on a diet.
20:17:25 <libby> uhoh, sbp's approach is backfiring
20:21:15 <Arnia> * Arnia hands JibberJim some chutney to go with the cold cut
20:21:52 <JibberJim> ooh, sounds nice...
20:24:12 <jessica> * jessica snerks.
20:24:26 <jcowan> Harlan Ellison says he was on the receiving end of that crack.
20:24:33 <jessica> Sean has a very . . . unique way of approaching relationships so far as I'm able to see, Libby.
20:26:58 <jcowan> Nah, it's just T.A.T.; down to brass tacks; I might even say, meaty.
20:28:21 <JibberJim> or "unsuccessful" ?
20:28:43 <jcowan> Depends on just how much of an ape you are.
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20:36:15 <jessica> I imagine that it depends on your target demographic.
20:36:38 <jessica> I live with at least two women who would happily sleep with Sean just for the accent.
20:41:47 <JibberJim> ooh, I have an accent too...
20:44:44 <jcowan> We all do, actually. But it may not be the right one.
20:45:10 <jcowan> * jcowan fondly remembers giving directions to a tourist from India who told him he had a "light American accent".
20:46:59 <crschmidt> I beg to differ! I certainly have no accent! I sound just like everybody else!
20:47:03 <crschmidt> Wait.
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21:00:46 <Morbus> phenny me, bitch.
21:00:47 <jcowan> Yo he ho, it is teh Morbus, returning from his lion-squishing mission!
21:00:48 <phenny> Morbus: 21 Aug 13:21Z <crschmidt> tell Morbus the NHPR RSS feed is bork: feedvalidator barfs on a bad utf-8 character. Fix it!
21:01:03 <Morbus> * Morbus waves to jcowan.
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21:05:49 <Morbus> lion squashing?
21:05:57 <Morbus> phenny, tell sbp that dannyayers.com mentioned the C&D.
21:06:00 <phenny> Morbus: I'll pass that on when sbp is around.
21:16:55 <JibberJim> hmm
21:17:28 <JibberJim> so if I search for images of JibberJim on google image search, I get pictures of Morbus, chaals, danbri and kandinski before me...
21:17:54 <Morbus> heh
21:18:11 <Morbus> i don't even recall that negamorb one.
21:19:53 <sbp> Morbus! yeah, saw the C&D
21:19:55 <phenny> sbp: 21:05Z <Morbus> tell sbp that dannyayers.com mentioned the C&D.
21:20:07 <sbp> actually I went to email him and then checked his blog and he'd blogged it before I got the chance to email him
21:20:15 <sbp> so I sent him another email saying he blogs too damn quickly
21:20:16 <Morbus> no word back from the guy though.
21:20:19 <sbp> nope
21:20:26 <Morbus> no updated blog entries either.
21:20:29 <sbp> nope
21:20:31 <Morbus> so, he's ignoring everything.
21:20:32 <Morbus> ;)
21:20:37 <sbp> and I've checked www-archive too
21:20:44 <sbp> hehe. "LA LA LA I AM NOT LISTENING"
21:21:07 <eaon> RSS3?
21:21:10 <sbp> yep
21:21:30 <eaon> Yeah I was checking a few times as well
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21:21:44 <sbp> phenny: tell jessica thanks, I can put that in my CV
21:21:46 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when jessica is around.
21:22:15 <sbp> I can't remember why I made the negamorb thing, nor where it came from
21:22:30 <sbp> I just remember saying it looked awesome in negative and showing you
21:22:33 <sbp> oh! I remember. it was from webcam
21:22:38 <JibberJim> but why's it me?!?!?
21:22:40 <sbp> and I said it looked like it had a fuzzy blob over it
21:22:48 <sbp> so I think I negatived it to check out the blob
21:22:51 <JibberJim> it was when morbus was experimenting with some compositing thing...
21:23:00 <sbp> compositing thing? yeah?
21:23:06 <JibberJim> yeah on the webcam
21:23:09 <sbp> cool
21:23:16 <sbp> at least somebody remembers
21:24:03 <Morbus> sbp: http://technorati.com/search/lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2005Aug/0018.html
21:24:59 <sbp> awesome
21:25:11 <Morbus> http://del.icio.us/tag/rss3
21:26:03 <sbp> ehheh. yayz
21:26:06 <Morbus> heheh
21:26:12 <jcowan> Hmm, this one is new to me.
21:26:12 <sbp> http://del.icio.us/url/b0519543dc77bf298692a857886f00cb
21:26:14 <jcowan> A student, in hopes of understanding the Lambda-nature, came to Greenblatt. As they spoke a Multics system hacker walked by. "Is it true", asked the student, "that PL-1 has many of the same data types as Lisp". Almost before the student had finshed his question, Greenblatt shouted, "FOO!", and hit the student with a stick.
21:26:23 <sbp> "to :-D by hublicious"
21:29:18 <sbp> sbp has changed the topic to: You can find us under ":-D"
21:36:13 <clsn> hidey ho.
21:40:08 <jcowan> Ho ha hey ho, clsn.
21:40:23 <jcowan> Did you see that Kinky Friedman is running for Governor of Texas?
21:40:39 <clsn> No, but with a name like that, what could possibly be bad?
21:41:23 <jcowan> Not a thing.
21:41:33 <jcowan> It almost restores my faith in U.S. politics.
21:42:31 <sbp> Kinky for President!
21:42:36 <clsn> I would say that restoring faith in US politics would require choosing the president by throwing darts at a dartboard, but then after the 2000 election you can't have much more fun than that.
21:43:14 <jcowan> Kinky Friedman is a writer of detective stories about a detective named Kinky Friedman.
21:43:28 <clsn> My mother tells me that my high-school friend, the journalist, is working on a story about one of my bizarre hobbies... Hope she's right...
21:43:44 <clsn> Now, what would be weird is if Kinky Friedman wrote about a detective named Kinky Freidman...
21:43:48 <jcowan> Oho (AIOCA). Which one, conlanging or something else?
21:44:01 <clsn> http://web.meson.org/topology/
21:44:08 <jcowan> Before that he used to tour with a band called Kinky Friedman and the Texas Jewboys.
21:44:09 <clsn> Knitting bizarre topological shapes.
21:44:16 <jcowan> Ah yes.
21:44:31 <clsn> Wait, I've heard of him! THAT's where I've seen the name before. Searching for "Jews" on LimeWire.
21:44:46 <clsn> He had a song called "The Don't Make Jews Like Jesus No More" or something....
21:45:16 <jcowan> Yes, that's him.
21:45:24 <clsn> My friend's getting a lot of coverage lately; he just wrote a pretty big article about Yassir Arafat.
21:45:47 <jcowan> Yassir, that's my Bibi.
21:47:02 <clsn> Heh. Indeed. You know, the guy working the door at the local Sam's Club remarked to me as I entered yesterday "So, you're getting out of Gaza?" I think. I smiled and shrugged etc. Wasn't quite expecting that...
21:47:28 <clsn> * clsn sighs and just hopes (naïvely) that some good will come of it.
21:48:02 <jsled> You should have said, "Gaza?! I've never even seen 'er!"
21:48:59 <clsn> I probably should have. I was just caught kinda flatfooted, and wasn't sure what he'd said right away, etc etc.
21:52:25 <clsn> OK, I can't find an expansion of AIOCA in my searches...
21:53:34 <clsn> My friend's famous article: http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/prem/200509/samuels
21:53:54 <clsn> Tho it;'s only a teaser.
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21:55:57 <sbp> clsn: "And Its Older Cozen Aha"
21:56:03 <sbp> also, awesomenesses
21:56:36 <clsn> Oh...
21:59:16 <clsn> I should probably knit more; a few months ago I finally figured out the "right" way to knit a Boy Surface (right for ME, that is). I started one...
21:59:38 <sbp> a Boy Surface?
22:00:00 <clsn> Um... Lemme find a link...
22:00:30 <clsn> http://www.geom.uiuc.edu/zoo/toptype/pplane/boy/ I know it sounds like some kind of child porn reference...
22:01:43 <sbp> knit one, pearl two, transdimensionalise five?
22:02:17 <clsn> Heh. Kind of. That's sort of the idea that I had when I started with this stuff in the first place
22:02:50 <sbp> this is pretty amazing stuff
22:02:53 <clsn> You can't embed a Projective Plane in real 3-space. You can immerse it there, essentially by allowing for self-intersection. But real surfaces can't self-intersect.
22:03:18 <sbp> you started in 2000?
22:03:37 <clsn> Aha, but wait, when we knit, we have surfaces that are full of holes which we are pleased to ignore. What if I were to pass another surface through those holes, making them no larger than they would otherwise be? Would that not be "true" self-intersection?
22:03:57 <sbp> ooh
22:04:07 <clsn> Probably; I know it was a long time ago. I have a million hobbies, which may hibernate for years before grabbing my interest again.
22:05:24 <clsn> Though they can pop up rather suddenly and unexpectedly, perhaps in a conversation where suddenly I'm experienced in some field nobody suspected I'd ever done anything in...
22:05:48 <sbp> heh, heh
22:06:00 <sbp> I like the gender aspect of the knitting
22:06:22 <sbp> "girls knit scarves and hats, boys knit klein bottles and moebius strips"
22:07:00 <clsn> Heh! Though you can see that isn't true; there are quite a few female mathematical knitters too.
22:07:05 <sbp> a klein bottle would make a good teacosy though. you wouldn't even have to take it off
22:07:27 <clsn> Heh.
22:07:34 <sbp> doesn't surprise me. and I remember seeing a story about some woman who did the record number of paper folds
22:07:48 <sbp> which is a bit non sequitur, but you should've seen the pile of paper
22:08:25 <sbp> took a lot of calculation to work out how big and how many folds and which method
22:09:27 <clsn> Yes, I read her book, and then promptly lost it somewhere in my parents' house. :(
22:09:30 <clsn> I need to order a new one.
22:09:44 <sbp> oh, do you remember her name?
22:10:00 <clsn> She got 12 folds. And worked out the math of why and how, which is pretty intuitive, but nobody ever bothered to think it through before.
22:10:59 <sbp> ah: http://www.osb.net/pomona/12times.htm
22:11:12 <sbp> there. we got there without the assistance of jcowan even
22:11:12 <clsn> I found my letter to the society ordering the book... Doesn't list her name. Yes, that's the site.
22:13:00 <clsn> I suppose I oughta send them another letter and get another copy.
22:14:31 <clsn> The concept she uses is pretty obvious and rock-solid: it just starts to take up too much paper to go all the way around the folded edge after a while.
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23:28:31 <thelsdj> army men with rifles break up a legal rave on private land in utah: http://www.seattlednb.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2840 plus video: http://elektronkind.org/video/facism.mov
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23:42:48 <jcowan> Ittywhonk!
23:44:40 <sbp> hi there jcowan
23:44:45 <sbp> two of you?
23:45:38 <jcowan> FOrgot to log off my work machine.
23:47:06 <jcowan> Then when I ghosted it off, it promptly reconnected as jcowan_.
23:47:09 <jcowan> So it goes.
23:48:26 <jcowan> One of the annoying properties about Cygwin is that you can't kill non-Cygwin processes from it, AFAIK.
23:49:50 <sbp> aha
23:50:00 <sbp> yes, I haven't found a way to
23:50:16 <sbp> * sbp is researching his next-post-but-one
23:50:34 <crschmidt> Opposite of penultimate?
23:50:56 <sbp> yeah
23:57:50 <thelsdj> jcowan: theres a kill.exe you can use
23:58:20 <thelsdj> from windows nt resource kit or something
23:59:31 <thelsdj> http://www.dynawell.com/support/ResKit/download/wntkill.asp