00:00:24 <jcowan> * jcowan is surprised to find "booth" on the list.
00:01:11 <sbp> you guys voice the -th?!
00:01:13 <sbp> boov?
00:01:39 <jcowan> WP says it's *you* guys who voice it.
00:01:51 <sbp> what!
00:01:54 <jcowan> Theta is f, eth is v.
00:02:00 <sbp> good grief
00:02:25 <jcowan> Time to shout out.
00:02:36 <sbp> too late, the household is in bed
00:02:37 <xover> * xover was about to ask how the hell you /not/ "voice the -th?!” but decides he's better off not knowing…
00:02:53 <sbp> might be a thing to try tomorrow
00:03:01 <sbp> but I'm pretty sure it'll be a resounding "boof!"
00:03:33 <xover> And “Fuck!” is pronunced “Bugger!”?
00:03:57 <sbp> fuck is pronounced the French way here, probably from Anglo-Norman French
00:03:59 <jcowan> xover: final -th is almost always voiceless, exceptions being "with" and the verb "mouth".
00:04:34 <xover> See? I told you I'd be better off not knowing!
00:04:38 <sbp> is -the all that common for final -th voiced?
00:04:51 <jcowan> Sure.
00:05:01 <jcowan> Basically, -th is voiced:
00:05:14 <jcowan> initially in function words: the, these, that, them, etc.
00:05:25 <jcowan> between vowels, counting silent -e as a vowel
00:05:39 <jcowan> in "with" and the verb "mouth"
00:05:51 <sbp> (<xover> how do the French pronounce it? <sbp> "fucque")
00:05:58 <xover> heh heh
00:06:07 <jcowan> blammo blammo
00:06:15 <sbp> handy little th guide
00:06:21 <Arnia> Arnia (n=jgeldart@141-30-101-159.adsl.legend.co.uk) has joined #swhack
00:06:24 <xover> ( and those two lines were implied, BTW )
00:06:29 <jcowan> Ho, it is an Arnia!
00:06:30 <sbp> actually... that'd've been useful for my cipher thing
00:06:34 <sbp> (oho, phew)
00:06:35 <sbp> Arnia!
00:06:37 <Arnia> Ho jcowan
00:06:40 <Arnia> Hey sbp
00:06:43 <sbp> not too hung over, one hopes
00:07:09 <Arnia> No hangover at all, which surprised me. Very odd dreams though
00:07:23 <xover> Or one sufficiently so you can be sure you had a really swingin' good time last night.
00:08:11 <jcowan> * jcowan has, trivially, never been hung over.
00:08:24 <xover> For lack of trying?
00:08:32 <xover> Otherwise, I hate you!
00:08:35 <xover> Intensely!
00:09:20 <jcowan> * jcowan has never ingested alcohol in more than trivial amounts (the 0.5% in a soda, e.g.)
00:09:20 <Arnia> Did the first round of the University Challenge qualifiers tonight
00:09:35 <sbp> hmm. tommorrow I'm going to go through the list and record my pronounciations I think
00:09:38 <sbp> Arnia: cool
00:09:56 <Arnia> Don't know when I find out how well I did though
00:10:08 <sbp> there's 0.5% alcohol in soda? ha
00:10:10 <Arnia> I think I did ok... the questions were easier than I thought they'd be
00:10:40 <sbp> 17:14:09 <jeremiah> some kid got drunk here on st patrick's day, tried to puke out the bathroom window, fell 4 floors and landed on his ass
00:10:40 <sbp> 17:14:13 <jeremiah> got up and was walking around
00:10:40 <sbp> 17:15:03 <jeremiah> i admire his hard-core-ness
00:10:46 <sbp> - http://swhack.com/logs/2004-03-20#T17-14-09
00:11:12 <Arnia> I did kick myself afterwards when I forgot the painter of Girl with a Pearl Earring and the author of Don Quixote
00:11:24 <sbp> when I start double quoting logs, that's going to be a worry
00:11:39 <Arnia> Tip of the tongue memory errors... haboo
00:12:15 <sbp> hmm, I think WL has Girl with a Pearl Earring on his wall
00:12:24 <jcowan> * jcowan has embarrassingly never heard of it.
00:12:36 <sbp> but maybe it's another portrait similar
00:12:38 <Arnia> Vermeer
00:12:49 <sbp> I wouldn't've heard of it if it wasn't for that. and I'm not 100% sure...
00:15:01 <Arnia> Other easy ones: "Division rings when their operator has this property are called fields and groups are called abellian. In arithmetic this property allows one to swap the operands and leave the value unaltered"
00:15:30 <Arnia> That shows the standard form... the last sentence kept giving it away
00:15:46 <Arnia> (although I knew that one from the division ring bit :p)
00:18:45 <Arnia> "This comes in two varieties; smooth, which transports materials to the golgi bodies and rough which is studded with ribosomes."
00:19:03 <Arnia> Endoplasmic Reticulum being the answer
00:24:56 <jcowan> Yeah.
00:25:08 <jcowan> * jcowan got the commutativity one from abelian groups.
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00:27:04 <Arnia> Set on one day in 1904 with Leopold Bloom, a retelling of Homer's Odyssey: Ulysees
00:27:19 <jcowan> Uly sees what?
00:27:49 <Arnia> * Arnia prods jcowan
00:28:00 <jcowan> * jcowan is not a Prod.
00:29:01 <jcowan> * jcowan and Gale disagree over the pron. of "forehead", exchanging epithets like "fancy-shmancy" and "rope-a-dope"
00:29:50 <Arnia> It is /forred/ to me
00:29:55 <jcowan> Me too.
00:30:03 <jcowan> Gale considers this excessively British.
00:31:13 <Arnia> It isn't possible to be excessively British. *smokes pipe, buttons pinstripe jacket, hangs umbrella on arm and doffs bowler hat*
00:32:12 <jcowan> ...for a Yank, that is.
00:32:24 <Arnia> hm
00:32:32 <Arnia> Are you actually a yankee?
00:32:55 <jcowan> By some definitions.
00:33:24 <jcowan> I am an American and a Northerner, but not a New Englander, nor a Vermonter, nor a Vermonter who eats pie for breakfast.
00:33:45 <jcowan> I have been on the losing side in tug-of-war, also.
00:35:51 <kpreid> <sbp> I'd really like a style mode where whitespace is preserved, but lines wrap
00:36:04 <jcowan> So the <f,c> is <3/6, 6/7>
00:36:04 <jessica> * jessica knows that feeling, jcowan.
00:36:10 <kpreid> sbp: IIRC, there is one in the CSS3 drafts: the value is: pre-wrap
00:36:30 <jessica> I get yelled at by my roommates for using what they consider to be British conventions -- in reality, I'm trying to adhere to the highest standard of English usage possible.
00:36:52 <jcowan> Ah, but English usage is not hierarchical.
00:37:15 <Arnia> jcowan: More people should express truth-values in f;c form
00:37:20 <jcowan> Indeed.
00:37:23 <jessica> :shrug:
00:37:37 <jessica> Maybe, but I try to find the most exacting level of convention possible and use that.
00:37:41 <jcowan> * jcowan is in favor of everyone using their own dialect.
00:39:22 <jcowan> jessica: the conventions of AAVE are just as exacting as those of General American, possibly more so.
00:39:54 <Arnia> (x, Joe, jcowan) --> agrees <0.8;0.8>
00:40:00 <jessica> AAVE?
00:40:14 <jcowan> African-American Vernacular English, aka Black English, aka Ebonics.
00:40:22 <jessica> Ah, I see.
00:40:29 <jessica> I'm not a linguistics person.
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00:53:35 <jcowan> Holy (@#$>. Steve Reich pronounces his name Ryche.
00:53:41 <jcowan> I always assumed it was Ryke.
00:53:49 <Arnia> That's what I'd assume
00:54:07 <jcowan> Still, Ed Koch (former NYC maker) is Kotch, whereas Kenneth Koch (poet) is Coke.
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00:54:42 <Arnia> My name is easy to pronounce, but hard for many people to hear and spell (well, at least when pronounced with a Bucks accent)
00:55:01 <crschmidt> I have a remote machine I want to back up locally. I have a partition that's as big as the remote hard drive. I have root access on the remote and local machines. What is the best way to create a verbatim (and easily restorable, preferably) copy of the remote data locally?
00:56:12 <Arnia> Scribing monks
00:56:38 <sbp> kpreid: ooh, thanks!
00:57:26 <sbp> kpreid: it's in CSS 2! hmm!
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01:00:01 <lemonodor_> pretentious british affectations is an unfortunately common american geek characteristic
01:00:23 <Arnia> Am I pretentious? :)
01:01:16 <lemonodor_> dunno, man.
01:02:06 <sbp> wow, pre-wrap so does not work in Firefox
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01:02:41 <Arnia> I say "bloody hell" a lot, spell it colour and aluminium and use modal verbs like "shall" and connectives like "whilst"
01:03:17 <sbp> mmm... whilst
01:03:21 <deltab> sbp: oh, I thought I hadn't mentioned that yet
01:03:31 <lemonodor_> whilst is a bad one, yeah.
01:03:49 <sbp> hadn't mentioned what?
01:03:51 <deltab> oh, it was kpreid
01:03:55 <sbp> yeah
01:03:56 <deltab> it's in 2.1
01:04:07 <deltab> so ought to be implemented
01:04:21 <sbp> Firefox implements all of 2.1? hmm!
01:04:48 <deltab> really?
01:05:15 <sbp> I... that's what I read you as saying
01:05:20 <sbp> unless you meant the weak sense of ought
01:05:25 <sbp> in which case: I fully agree
01:05:26 <Arnia> lemonodor_: I also drink tea rather than coffee, celebrate Guy Fawkes Night and like Shrewsbury biscuits
01:06:39 <sbp> grumble. first result for Firefox CSS pre-wrap on Google:
01:06:40 <sbp> cheeaunblog: Whitespace and generated content
01:06:40 <sbp> This time, I focus on CSS whitespace and generated content. ... Firefox
01:06:40 <sbp> supports -moz-pre-wrap but not pre-wrap and pre-line yet, reported as Bug 261081 and ...
01:06:40 <sbp> cheeaun.phoenity.com/weblog/2005/06/whitespace-and-generated-content.html
01:07:19 <sbp> * sbp tries -moz-pre-wrap
01:07:35 <sbp> yes, that appears to be the case still
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01:08:04 <Arnia> * Arnia hums "God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen"
01:08:42 <Arnia> I like being a pretentious american geek
01:08:47 <Arnia> It gets me out of the house
01:09:32 <sbp> hmm, looks like God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen is one of the oldest carols
01:09:46 <jcowan> Indeed.
01:10:10 <Arnia> I'm listening to an interesting version by the Barenaked Ladies and Sarah McLachlan
01:10:17 <jcowan> Although I myself think (contrary to what the books say) that The Holly and the Ivy is much older.
01:10:53 <Arnia> I think the Carol of the Bells is one of the most sinister
01:11:04 <jcowan> Sinister, why?
01:11:21 <Arnia> Don't know... I just find it incredibly dark
01:11:35 <Arnia> The music, rather than the words
01:11:41 <sbp> 'This carol appears to have nearly escaped the notice of collectors, as it has been reprinted by one alone, who states his copy to have been taken from "an old broadside, printed a century and a half since," i.e., about 1710. It is still retained on the broadsheets printed at Birmingham. It is possible that it is an ancient carol.' - http://www.hymnsandcarolsofchristmas.com/Hymns_and_Carols/holly_and_the_ivy.htm
01:11:52 <Arnia> * Arnia puts on the Kings College Choir version
01:12:57 <jcowan> * jcowan hears "Lillibulero" on the TV.
01:13:05 <sbp> 'The chorus has very medieval imagery, the expression 'merry organ' being found in Chaucer and the 'rising of the sun' having pre-Christian mid-winter solstice overtones.' - ibid.
01:13:13 <jcowan> The rhymes are the key.
01:14:18 <jcowan> Arnia: http://www.christmas-carols.net/carols/carol-of-bells.html is the one you mean?
01:15:19 <Arnia> jcowan: Yes -- http://www.hymnsandcarolsofchristmas.com/Hymns_and_Carols/carol_of_the_bells_notes.htm
01:15:25 <jcowan> sbp: grown-crown, flower-Saviour, blood-good work in Middle English but scarcely in 1710 English.
01:15:39 <jcowan> Especially the second one: [flur] - [savjur]
01:15:57 <sbp> is awesome hymnsandcarolsofchristmas.co
01:16:09 <sbp> jcowan: interesting case
01:17:07 <sbp> "is awesome hymnsandcarolsofchristmas.co"? did I really type that? how strange
01:17:18 <sbp> I meant "hymnsandcarolsofchristmas.com is awesome", of course
01:17:27 <Arnia> sbp: Too much welsh?
01:17:32 <sbp> heh
01:17:41 <sbp> I presumably mispasted and did something weird with the entry
01:18:12 <sbp> .ety carol
01:18:21 <phenny> "c.1300, from O.Fr. carole 'kind of dance,' from M.L. choraula 'a dance to the flute,' from L. choraules, from Gk. choraules 'flute player who accompanies the choral dance,' from choros 'chorus' + aulein 'to play the flute,' from aulos 'reed instrument.' The meaning of 'Christmas hymn' is 1502." - http://etymonline.com/?term=carol
01:18:38 <jcowan> Coolio.
01:19:03 <clsn> Someone registered llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch.com as I recall...
01:19:08 <jcowan> * jcowan thinks of H&I as a Wintersong to correspond to the much better known summer carol ("Sumer is icumen in")
01:20:18 <jcowan> Arnia: lyrics by Wilhousky! Amazing.
01:21:01 <jcowan> He was the director of the chorus of the NYC school system.
01:21:44 <Arnia> It is the relentlessness of the scansion that disturbs me
01:21:55 <Arnia> Sounds almost mechanical
01:22:23 <jcowan> To chorus directors, lyrics are about singability, period.
01:22:27 <clsn> I never realized it had words.
01:22:45 <jcowan> They do tend to sing it way up in the 'tura range.
01:22:59 <jcowan> Same for The Little Drummer Boy.
01:23:42 <Arnia> clsn: The version I like most is the a capella Kings College, Cambridge version
01:23:52 <clsn> Didn't Ezra Pound(?) have a poem "Winter is i-cumen in"?
01:24:04 <jcowan> static char *usblp_messages[] = { "ok", "out of paper", "off-line", "on fire" }; --Linux kernel
01:24:22 <clsn> My teaching assistant a year or two back was Ezra Mound with an M. No relation.
01:25:07 <jcowan> Someone did, I can't remember who.
01:25:17 <jcowan> "Winter is icumen in / Lhude sing Goddam!"
01:25:56 <jcowan> " Raineth drop, and staineth slop, And how the wind doth ramm!
01:25:57 <jcowan> Sing: Goddamm! (Ezra Pound)."
01:26:01 <jcowan> Yup, it's him all right.
01:26:17 <clsn> http://rpo.library.utoronto.ca/poem/1652.html
01:26:59 <Arnia> * Arnia looks forward to the midnight mass
01:27:49 <jcowan> * jcowan learned the tune to "Sumer is icumen in" from his 14th E.B.
01:27:57 <jcowan> s/14th/14th ed.
01:30:39 <clsn> I've still been obssessively tweaking and twiddling my comparative text... bleah on obssessions.
01:31:05 <jsled> Hmm. Is it just me, or does http://distribution.nerdtv.net/video/ntv010/ntv010.mp4.torrent not actually work?
01:31:16 <jcowan> * jcowan goes around maniacally exterminating all obsessions.
01:32:12 <clsn> Still, it's looking really nice.
01:33:02 <jcowan> * jcowan watches two people playing Wordchess on an AOL TV add.
01:33:06 <jcowan> s/Word/word
01:34:05 <clsn> I thought only you and your weird friends played that.
01:34:09 <clsn> * clsn still never played you.
01:56:14 <jcowan> Indeed.
01:56:31 <jcowan> But there they were, in the commercial, unmistakably playing the Buzzword-Only variety.
02:12:05 <clsn> Neat.
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02:45:00 <sbp> anyone here used ASSP (anti-spam thing)?
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02:47:52 <sbp> "From god@heaven.af.mil Sat Jan 3 01:05:34 1996"
02:47:56 <sbp> - http://qmail.org/man/man5/mbox.html
02:54:31 <jcowan> That's traditional.
02:54:49 <jcowan> iirc, heaven.af.mil is a real server (af.mil = U.S. Air Force)
02:55:07 <sbp> I wonder what they do with that address?
02:57:31 <sbp> I'm going to send an email to the address, but I'm not sure what to put
02:57:33 <sbp> any suggestions?
03:00:33 <Arnia> "Come friendly bombs and fall on Slough..."
03:00:44 <Arnia> Nah, I have family in Slough so don't
03:05:15 <sbp> Subject: "Greetings"; "This email is being sent to a well known testing address as an experiment. If it has reached a member of the United States Air Force, my apologies. If it has reached Professor Daniel J. Bernstein, my thanks. If it has reached anyone else, my bewilderment. If it has reached God, my goodness!"
03:05:53 <sbp> [[[
03:05:54 <sbp> This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification
03:05:54 <sbp> Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently:
03:05:54 <sbp> god@heaven.af.mil
03:05:54 <sbp> Technical details of permanent failure:
03:05:54 <sbp> PERM_FAILURE: DNS Error: Domain name not found
03:05:56 <sbp> ]]]
03:06:10 <sbp> heaven.af.mil is having, probably deliberate, problems
04:01:34 <kpreid> * kpreid . o O ( THE HEAVENS ARE FALLING! )
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04:22:13 <jcowan> Ittywhonk!
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05:33:13 <Monty> hi lemonodor
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07:56:07 <xover> Morning seems to be the time of day designed for the world to tell you, in no uncertain terms, that it hates you and wants you to die.
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13:49:07 <crschmidt> Hm, my mac is spitting input/output errors at me.
13:49:29 <crschmidt> I wonder what the genius bar would do if I took it to them and said "look! md5sum is failing! get me a new drive!"
13:49:40 <crschmidt> error processing 18.Tomorrow%20Never%20Dies.CD2.avi: failed in buffer_read(fd): mdfile: Input/output error
14:01:59 <lilo> [Global Notice] herbert Hi all. The server you're on, herbert.freenode.net, is experiencing routing problems. We'll need to shut it down. Please reconnect to irc.freenode.net .... thanks!
14:16:46 <lilo> [Global Notice] (Oops, ignore previous message. :)
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14:59:23 <redmonk> swhack!
15:02:38 <crschmidt> morning, redmonk
15:02:46 <redmonk> hiya crschmidt
15:02:50 <redmonk> how was the wknd
15:03:50 <crschmidt> not long enough
15:07:08 <redmonk> heh
15:07:11 <redmonk> mine was plenty long
15:07:20 <crschmidt> How's the kid?
15:07:31 <redmonk> i love getting to spend the time with daelina, but for her, two days with me is enough before she starts gettign loopy
15:07:43 <redmonk> and needs me to go back to work so she can focus on her routine tieh jodi
15:07:52 <redmonk> s/tieh/with/
15:08:28 <crschmidt> * crschmidt nods
15:08:43 <crschmidt> How's she holding up?
15:08:48 <crschmidt> Jodi, that is.
15:11:25 <redmonk> pretty well actually. she and adelina are really starting to settle in i think
15:11:34 <redmonk> it's not til i get home that all heck breaks loose
15:11:41 <crschmidt> * crschmidt nods.
15:11:41 <redmonk> adelina get sgoofy and weird
15:11:44 <redmonk> goofy
15:12:04 <redmonk> we think it may be realted to the fact that she never had men in her life until now
15:12:15 <crschmidt> I still get that kind of thing with Julie sometimes - she's fine with mom, but me intervening makes her act very differently
15:12:15 <redmonk> so she's not sure what "role" i play
15:12:30 <crschmidt> obviously, that's a totally different situation, but I can see it happening
15:16:23 <redmonk> yeah
15:16:54 <redmonk> anyone know if i de-authorize this mac in itunes, can i download the music on it to another computer?
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15:28:14 <crschmidt> * crschmidt doesn't know anything about iTunes.
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15:33:51 <sbp> boing
15:33:55 <crschmidt> morning
15:34:38 <sbp> crschmidt!
15:34:50 <sbp> whoonesses heaped 'pon whoonesses
15:35:16 <sbp> whacky md5sum shit, dude
15:35:25 <crschmidt> i think it's probably a bad disk
15:35:36 <crschmidt> I just don't know how to prove that to a mac technician
15:35:45 <crschmidt> so that they'll replace the drive - i'm still covered under AppleCare
15:40:41 <kandinski> boingness for yous
15:42:17 <sbp> "Apparently in Japan, Pac Man has grown a body, but unforutnately gained a rather nasty addiction to prescription drugs. Watch as he shovels them into his mouth as if they were pellets."
15:42:23 <sbp> on http://outpostnine.com/Az/yutaka.jpg
15:42:27 <sbp> in http://outpostnine.com/editorials/teacher90.html
16:02:32 <bjoern_> ha -- http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/66982 (german) - germans must prevent unlawful content from getting published on their boards, blogs, etc...
16:03:35 <bjoern_> that's good news for unemployed germans, now, in order to run a web site you need several people to censor anything posted to it.
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16:07:04 <xover> Well, at least then you can claim the rights accruing to Freedom of the Press (whatever those may be in .de), and should also be eligeble for whatever public funding traditional newspapers enjoy.
16:09:50 <bjoern_> Well, Heise (the defendant) is a big german publisher, you'd think they made that point...
16:11:10 <xover> BTW, what was it they got rung on?
16:14:03 <jilldaw> hello
16:14:08 <jilldaw> I'm here on broadband now
16:14:11 <jilldaw> death to dialup, etc
16:15:06 <xover> Yay!
16:15:06 <sbp> heh, heh
16:16:06 <xover> Of course, now you've ran out of excuses to not be around! :-)
16:16:26 <jilldaw> * jilldaw checks her pile of excuses
16:16:30 <jilldaw> you are right!
16:16:33 <jilldaw> :)
16:16:54 <crschmidt> Speaking of "Death To", I just finished watching "Death To Smoochy"
16:17:02 <crschmidt> Which was not nearly as crappy as I expected it to be
16:17:17 <jilldaw> heh. a resounding recommedation
16:17:27 <crschmidt> precisely :)
16:17:42 <jsled> Oh, I just saw Kung Fu Hustle, which wasn't quite as they promoted it.
16:17:45 <sbp> <Ebert> Death To Smoochy was not nearly as crappy as I expected it to be
16:18:19 <jsled> They made it out to be all looney-toons silly, but it was only minorly so. Quite good, actually.
16:18:45 <jilldaw> so it was good as a kung fu film?
16:19:35 <jsled> My kung fu film fu is weak, but I thought so. Some good sequences ... I was pretty enthralled during the fights.
16:21:04 <jilldaw> nice
16:21:43 <sbp> * sbp backports phenny to Python 2.3
16:21:44 <jilldaw> I read an article on Quentin Tarantino once where the author said that in Tarantino's films the violent scenes serve the same functions as dance scenes did 50 or 60 years ago
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16:21:52 <jilldaw> sbp: why?
16:21:56 <sbp> SethR! hi there
16:22:05 <SethR> hi sean
16:22:11 <sbp> jilldaw: because I had someone come in here last night asking about running her on Python 2.3
16:22:27 <sbp> he has a hosted account with someone who won't upgrade because debian unstable doesn't have 2.4
16:22:40 <sbp> so I spent an hour going through backport stuff with him to get it working under 2.3.5
16:22:46 <jilldaw> that's extremely nice of you
16:22:56 <jilldaw> (far nicer than I would be)
16:23:10 <sbp> yes, especially since the guy had no clue about Python and wasn't following my instructions
16:23:14 <sbp> but he seemed very grateful
16:23:20 <jilldaw> one would hope!
16:23:43 <sbp> indentation error after indentation error...
16:24:35 <jilldaw> * jilldaw reads about the new same-sex civil partnership law in the UK
16:24:45 <jilldaw> why indentation errors? did python change in how it does indentation?
16:25:05 <SethR> i changed my image, http://fastblogit.com/seth/
16:25:27 <crschmidt> Debian unstable doesn't have python2.4?
16:26:28 <SethR> http://fastblogit.com/sbp/ is still an empty room :(
16:26:44 <crschmidt> i don't have anything other than sarge in my sources.list, and I installed python2.4 from apt
16:26:58 <sbp> jilldaw: he kept changing the indentation of lines I told him not to touch, for some reason. mainly unindenting them, it seems, so blocks weren't aligned properly and Python was all "huh?"
16:27:13 <sbp> crschmidt: nope, it doesn't. because it sucks balls
16:27:23 <sbp> I mean, how long as 2.4 been out now? a year or something?
16:27:31 <crschmidt> sbp: well, i'm saying that i think it does
16:27:41 <sbp> and I can't imagine that integrating it with Debian would be a huge task since it's a pretty well maintained package
16:27:47 <sbp> well that's what I thought
16:27:55 <sbp> but I looked at the unstable packages list online
16:28:00 <sbp> and sure enough it's only got 2.3.5
16:28:15 <crschmidt> where's the list?
16:28:31 <sbp> SethR: the bacon tastes better? oh my goodness
16:28:39 <sbp> crschmidt: hang on a mo
16:28:52 <crschmidt> http://packages.debian.org/unstable/python/
16:28:59 <sbp> "Package: python (2.3.5-3)"
16:29:01 <SethR> sbp, lol
16:29:03 <sbp> - http://packages.debian.org/unstable/python/python
16:29:05 <crschmidt> huh
16:29:17 <sbp> crappy, eh?
16:29:40 <crschmidt> Well, I'm trying to figure out how the heck I installed it then :)
16:29:50 <crschmidt> ah:
16:29:50 <sbp> probably from the .tar.gz?
16:29:50 <crschmidt> python2.4 (2.4.1-2)
16:29:58 <crschmidt> the python2.4 package is there
16:30:02 <sbp> ah!
16:30:02 <crschmidt> it's just not the default `python`
16:30:11 <crschmidt> I changed that bit manually
16:30:19 <sbp> how silly
16:30:24 <crschmidt> well, I understand that
16:30:33 <sbp> I don't. it's blitheringly stupid
16:30:43 <crschmidt> well, there's packages that don't work with python.24
16:30:43 <sbp> gentoo and ubuntu are quite happy to make it the default python
16:30:47 <crschmidt> that do with python2.3
16:31:00 <sbp> I thought it was fully backwards compatible?
16:31:08 <crschmidt> * crschmidt shrugs. Apparently it's not
16:31:18 <sbp> * sbp raises an eyebrow
16:31:19 <crschmidt> btdownloadcurses doesn't work with python2.4
16:31:41 <sbp> how strange. but what about having python2.3 as the separate module
16:31:47 <sbp> and then having bydownloadcurses rely on that?
16:32:00 <sbp> or fixing btdownloadcurses...
16:32:03 <crschmidt> well, that would probably work
16:33:28 <crschmidt> i'm just saying, upgrading to python2.4 as the main package would probably mean you'd have to test it with every package that depends on python
16:34:04 <sbp> so what to gentoo and ubuntu users do? do their old packages just break?
16:34:10 <sbp> s/to/do/
16:34:28 <crschmidt> pfft, you think ubuntu packages are never broken?
16:34:29 <crschmidt> Or Gentoo?
16:36:27 <SethR> anybody have any experience with FCKeditor http://www.fckeditor.net/ ?
16:37:22 <redmonk> no, but i believe that riffs.com just switched to using it for their rich-text editing
16:37:30 <crschmidt> I've heard of it before
16:38:35 <SethR> FCK editor doesn't seem to work with ff 1.5 :(
16:38:57 <SethR> nor does my curent editor, what happened with the new version ?
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16:39:42 <sbp> crschmidt: surely not much more than they are in debian though
16:41:40 <crschmidt> I've never had problems with Debian sarge being broken, but I have with Gentoo and Ubuntu
16:41:52 <sbp> * sbp tests the backported phenny on athena
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16:42:12 <sbp> there, new phenny uploaded
16:42:23 <sbp> crschmidt: fair enough
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16:44:02 <crschmidt> sbp: you're aware that /usr/bin/python on athena is 2.4? /usr/bin/python2.3 is 2.3 though
16:44:21 <mumbles-work> mumbles-work is now known as mumbles
16:44:32 <sbp> yeah, I used python2.3 explicitly
16:44:38 <crschmidt> k
16:44:40 <sbp> * sbp waves to mumbles
16:44:50 <sbp> mumbles: the default version of phenny online should now work in python 2.3
16:44:57 <mumbles> ohh
16:45:01 <mumbles> heads up to sbp
16:45:05 <sbp> :-)
16:45:36 <mumbles> how do i stop the processes
16:45:43 <mumbles> other phenny processes
16:45:48 <sbp> Ctrl+C if she's running in the foreground
16:45:52 <sbp> otherwise ps aux | grep phenny
16:45:56 <sbp> then kill the pids
16:46:01 <sbp> or you might be able to do killall phenny
16:46:36 <mumbles> hehe\
16:46:43 <mumbles> handed in my notice at work
16:46:53 <mumbles> head chefe just said oh ok then
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16:46:58 <sbp> oh dear. well, you sound happy about it
16:48:21 <xover> When oh when will the bloody antiquated Telcos just up and die! - http://www.boingboing.net/2005/12/04/angry_bellsouth_with.html
16:53:04 <jsled> hmm. Yet I wonder why we want the government to be in control of our internet access...
16:54:06 <xover> We don't, but we do want them to provide for basic utilities like water, electricity and communications.
16:54:07 <jsled> s/we/some/
16:54:37 <sbp> oh man, yeah, the govt. wi-fi thing is crazy
16:54:40 <jsled> We do? I don't, really.
16:54:47 <sbp> Philadelphia seems to be the most outlandish case
16:55:11 <sbp> jsled: I wouldn't from your govt., but I'm grateful for it from mine
16:55:29 <jsled> It's that weird thing. It doens't make sense to have 50 different pipes and cables running into every building, but we certainly don't want a single provider.
16:56:01 <sbp> but the thing about a government provider is that you can be a little bit surer that they aren't ripping you off
16:56:20 <sbp> look how much cheaper the Philly wi-fi is compared to the communications companies
16:56:26 <sbp> that's why they're getting so outraged about it
16:59:23 <lisppaste2> mumbles pasted "? " at http://paste.lisp.org/display/14331
16:59:34 <mumbles> sbp i got that
17:00:33 <mumbles> ops
17:00:36 <mumbles> 2 .net
17:00:46 <sbp> yeah
17:01:28 <lisppaste2> mumbles annotated #14331 with "del .net got this" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/14331#1
17:02:09 <crschmidt> irc.borknet.net doesn't exist
17:02:31 <mumbles> fixed it
17:03:12 <mumbles> burt she dosent join the channels
17:04:23 <sbp> mumbles: yeah, dunno what's up with that
17:04:32 <sbp> she works for me, and I haven't got complaints from anyone else about that problem
17:04:58 <mumbles> must be the ircd
17:05:37 <sbp> but the eggdrop bot works on that server, right?
17:05:42 <mumbles> yep
17:05:45 <sbp> perhaps you could test her on freenode, where I know she works?
17:05:51 <mumbles> yeh
17:05:56 <mumbles> join here ?
17:06:06 <sbp> preferably in #test?
17:06:15 <sbp> otherwise we'll have two phenny instances == chaos :-)
17:08:33 <bancus> Like that time Gary Coleman showed up.
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17:09:05 <bancus> (Immediately after the lime jello incident.)
17:09:56 <sbp> bancus: yeah. let's try to forget that though
17:10:07 <sbp> mumbles: so she works here. looks like it is an ircd thing
17:10:17 <mumbles> or nick problem
17:10:19 <sbp> you might want to ask the sysadmins on your network about it
17:10:21 <sbp> ah, could be
17:10:28 <sbp> try giving her a really random nickname
17:10:35 <sbp> or testing for the nick via /WHOIS nickname
17:10:40 <crschmidt> Was that before or after the San Diego mistake?
17:10:52 <bancus> crschmidt: After, I think.
17:11:02 <mumbles> i think ive killed all processes
17:11:03 <bancus> But my memory has never been the same, really.
17:11:14 <sbp> and then there's kandinski's seminal glue incident...
17:11:21 <sbp> speaking of which, where is he?
17:11:24 <sbp> oh, voiced
17:11:35 <sbp> glued to the other voiceees
17:11:45 <bancus> My shrink says that I might achieve full recovery in another month or so.
17:12:04 <bancus> Unsure whether that means I'll forget the incidents, or remember them.
17:12:24 <bancus> seminal glue incident?
17:12:32 <bancus> Somehow I'm glad I haven't recovered that yet.
17:12:40 <bancus> I just doesn't sound good.
17:12:48 <sbp> loggy: pointer?
17:12:48 <sbp> See http://swhack.com/logs/2005-12-05#T17-12-48
17:12:52 <sbp> phenny: ask kandinski to explain the seminal glue incident to bancus please. cf. http://swhack.com/logs/2005-12-05#T17-12-48
17:12:54 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when kandinski is around.
17:12:59 <bancus> heh
17:13:14 <bancus> s/^I/It/
17:13:30 <bancus> .wn cf
17:13:34 <phenny> cf 1. a radioactive transuranic element
17:13:37 <phenny> cf 2. the most common congenital disease
17:13:39 <phenny> cf 3. compare (used in texts to point the reader to another location in the text) [...]
17:13:50 <bancus> .ety cf
17:13:55 <sbp> Latin, confer
17:14:00 <bancus> ah, thanks
17:14:20 <sbp> no problem. I doubt etymonline'll have it
17:14:27 <sbp> plus the site seems to be broken again
17:14:31 <sbp> this is the problem with etymonline
17:14:38 <sbp> when they have etymologies for something, they're *awesome*
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17:14:53 <sbp> but a fair amount of the time they don't, or they'll have a slashed etymology
17:14:56 <xover> Why Wikipedia hasn't tried tackling this yet is beyond me.
17:15:02 <sbp> which I was gonna map, but there's not much point
17:15:12 <sbp> xover: tackling what?
17:15:18 <xover> Ety DB.
17:15:28 <phenny> Can't find the etymology for "cf". Try http://etymonline.com/?search=cf
17:15:31 <sbp> well, I guess that'd be un the domain of wiktionary
17:15:37 <sbp> s/un/in/
17:15:43 <sbp> but wiktionary has proven to be pretty suck
17:15:48 <sbp> mainly because of the interface, I believe
17:17:20 <mumbles> i cant work that out
17:17:46 <crschmidt> whee: [[[
17:17:47 <crschmidt> /dev/hdb1 122G 9.2G 106G 8% /mnt/120gb
17:17:47 <crschmidt> /dev/sda1 296G 277G 4.1G 99% /mnt/300gb
17:17:49 <crschmidt> ]]]
17:18:01 <crschmidt> good little hard drives
17:18:47 <sbp> good hard drive names
17:18:53 <crschmidt> heh
17:18:53 <sbp> though I'd give them random phenomic names
17:19:03 <sbp> like spoogenflork and cundywold
17:19:10 <crschmidt> well, i have to type them to mount them
17:19:15 <crschmidt> so i stick to easy names
17:19:25 <sbp> ah
17:20:28 <xover> My HDs are named Cave, Crap, Vault and Cauldron.
17:20:35 <d8uv> http://www.dynamism.com/solidalliance/pricing.shtml
17:20:37 <crschmidt> For some reason, smb doesn't want to give me a listing when i try and connect to the main share, so I have to connect to each drive
17:20:39 <bancus> I don't name my HDs
17:20:44 <xover> Oh, and Crypt.
17:20:53 <crschmidt> plus, it's not like the mount points are the most difficult thing to rename
17:20:55 <sbp> why "Vault"?
17:21:11 <sbp> d8uv: awesome
17:21:14 <xover> You don't sense a theme here?
17:21:47 <bancus> I do, but crap goes against the grain.
17:21:47 <sbp> i-Duck!
17:22:08 <sbp> xover: well, alliteration in the key of C could be a theme...
17:22:19 <xover> I was trying for all C initials and ran out of imagination.
17:24:07 <sbp> Cult, Cryptonomicon, Cthulu, Cat-o'-nine-tails, Captive, Curdle...
17:24:10 <sbp> yeah, dunno
17:24:35 <xover> Nothing that conveys volume or storage though.
17:24:58 <xover> Oooh! oooh! Catacomb! Dammit!
17:25:01 <sbp> ooh
17:25:12 <jsled> /a
17:25:17 <crschmidt> /b
17:25:22 <sbp> Crap doesn't really convey volume either
17:25:31 <xover> m-w.com: Vault -> Crypt -> Catacomb. *sigh* D'oh!
17:25:38 <crschmidt> You've apparently never seen xover take a dump
17:25:49 <xover> heh heh
17:25:52 <sbp> oh man...
17:29:23 <mumbles> think i might call my 200mb hdd Cthulu
17:32:37 <kandinski> bancus
17:32:56 <kandinski> I am a bit busy now, but I will try and find the explanation in my logs and email it to you
17:33:03 <kandinski> both explanations
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17:34:37 <crschmidt> Hello, HelloWorld82, and welcome to #swhack, home of random debauchery and much political future destroyage
17:34:53 <bancus> k
17:34:54 <crschmidt> The channel is publicly logged for your personal enjoyment, and you can find more information at swhack.com
17:34:55 <HelloWorld82> hello
17:35:11 <bancus> Also, cocks.
17:35:37 <crschmidt> I like the word destroyage
17:36:01 <mumbles> strange she joins
17:36:07 <mumbles> but dosent join the channels
17:37:37 <crschmidt> http://www.swindonweb.com/life/lifemagi0.htm
17:37:39 <crschmidt> wow
17:38:17 <sbp> mumbles: have you tried the nickname thing? have you contacted the server admins?
17:38:27 <mumbles> both server admins are off playing games
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17:38:50 <sbp> crschmidt: oh yeah, that's had a bit of press here from time to time
17:38:57 <sbp> mumbles: and the nickname thing? didn't work?
17:39:18 <mumbles> changed the nickname to somethign randem
17:39:22 <mumbles> dident work
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17:40:19 <sbp> mumbles: hang on, I have an idea
17:40:21 <mumbles> Error loading devoice: name 'frozenset' is not defined
17:40:28 <mumbles> thats an error i get
17:40:59 <sbp> yeah, ignore that
17:41:00 <sbp> [[[
17:41:00 <sbp> def f_join(self, origin, match, args):
17:41:00 <sbp> self.write(['JOIN'], match.group(1))
17:41:00 <sbp> f_join.rule = r'^\.join (.*)$'
17:41:01 <sbp> ]]]
17:41:06 <sbp> put that in modules/join.py
17:41:13 <sbp> it must be exactly that
17:41:21 <sbp> note the indentation! zero spaces, three spaces, zero spaces
17:41:32 <sbp> then quit all phenny instances
17:41:39 <sbp> and run one single instance
17:41:46 <sbp> when she's joined, wait about thirty seconds or so
17:41:51 <sbp> then send her a message:
17:42:00 <sbp> /msg YourBotName .join #yourchannel
17:42:03 <sbp> see if that works
17:45:38 <mumbles> no luck
17:46:46 <sbp> then I presume it's some ban thing or server configuration
17:47:04 <mumbles> yeh
17:47:10 <mumbles> ill bug the server admins later
17:49:53 <kpreid> <redmonk> anyone know if i de-authorize this mac in itunes, can i download the music on it to another computer?
17:50:53 <kpreid> *if* I understand correctly, which I may not, as I don't use iTMS: you cannot redownload the files from the store, but you can copy the files from one computer to another; and to *play* a file that computer must be authorized at that time
17:51:33 <redmonk> yes, worked that out
17:51:48 <redmonk> how's your morning going
17:51:54 <redmonk> crap wrong window
17:51:59 <redmonk> * redmonk is listening to b&m-Callin it Back by Bangers and Mash brought to you by MashuptownRecords.com/Bangers and Mash brought to you by MashuptownRecords.com from Mashuptown.com (★★★★☆)
17:54:16 <sbp> unicode stars!
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17:58:23 <crschmidt> lisppaste2: url
17:58:23 <lisppaste2> To use the lisppaste bot, visit http://paste.lisp.org/new/swhack and enter your paste.
17:59:27 <lisppaste2> crschmidt pasted "wep question" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/14335
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18:08:50 <kpreid> crschmidt: I understand that's exactly the problem: nobody does wep passwords the same way
18:09:07 <crschmidt> * crschmidt nods
18:09:55 <crschmidt> I guess another good question is whether I can get some kind of tool of some kind off the WRT54G (It is open sourced firmware, after all) and use that against the passphrase to find out the actual key
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18:42:23 <crschmidt> Man, I'm watching the beginning of Bandits
18:42:29 <crschmidt> and I'd forgotten how great it is
18:43:38 <crschmidt> Rather, how much I love it - I'm sure that some people wouldn't consider it great.
18:49:57 <Morbus> Bandits? I don't recall that.
18:49:59 <Morbus> TV Show? Movie?
18:50:13 <crschmidt> Movie
18:50:14 <crschmidt> 2001
18:50:22 <Morbus> huh. i'll keep it in mind.
18:50:28 <crschmidt> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0219965/
18:50:35 <Morbus> thanks.
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18:54:11 <crschmidt> "We're wearing matching denim uniforms that say "Inmate" on them, unless they're *blind*, I don't think that's going to work?"
18:55:51 <crschmidt> (Before robbing a bank.)
18:58:58 <kandinski> crschmidt: Bandits is one of the best films I have seen in later times
18:59:41 <mumbles> sbp haveing the server guy help me
18:59:42 <kandinski> all actors are excellent in it
19:00:10 <crschmidt> I just love the dichotomy between the two partners
19:00:38 <crschmidt> Joe and Terry, that is
19:02:01 <jessica> * jessica is watching Clerks and giggles at the concept of "salsa shark".
19:04:01 <sbp> mumbles: cool
19:10:28 <jilldaw> * jilldaw loves salsa shark
19:14:48 <crschmidt> Man oh man, this is a great flick
19:15:07 <mumbles> sbp he cant get it to join gamesurge either
19:16:29 <lisppaste2> mumbles pasted "phenny conifg" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/14337
19:17:59 <sbp> mumbles: hang on, let me test it myself
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19:18:00 <Monty> howdy, bjoern_h
19:18:24 <bjoern_h> yo Monty
19:18:25 <Monty> boingness for spring-winter
19:18:27 <mumbles> sbp try with the irc.borknet.oberjaeger.net
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19:18:31 <mumbles> config
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19:18:49 <mumbles> spb (@Ozafy) ask him if he's heard of the bot having problems with ircu/asuka
19:19:15 <sbp> oh man. so I just joined that server to test
19:19:24 <sbp> joined #something but there were people in there
19:19:30 <sbp> a little disgruntled, I joined #blargh
19:19:32 <sbp> people in there
19:19:39 <sbp> joined #boing
19:19:41 <sbp> people in there!
19:19:42 <mumbles> borknet ?
19:19:43 <Ozafy> Ozafy (n=ozafy@46-180.246.81.adsl.skynet.be) has joined #swhack
19:19:43 <Monty> hi Ozafy
19:19:51 <bjoern_h> bjoern_h is now known as bjoern_
19:19:53 <mumbles> sbp meat Ozafy
19:19:59 <sbp> hi Ozafy. welcome to Swhack
19:20:04 <sbp> this is a publically logged channel
19:20:04 <Ozafy> llo
19:20:10 <Morbus> And you're career is over.
19:20:16 <Morbus> And my grammar.
19:20:17 <mumbles> brb dinner
19:20:18 <Ozafy> your*
19:20:20 <Ozafy> ;p
19:20:59 <Ozafy> heard of any issues with penny on ircu/asuka servers?
19:21:08 <Ozafy> i think it might be sending it's join commands to fast
19:21:09 <Morbus> sbp's working on it.
19:21:13 <Ozafy> oh
19:21:14 <Morbus> too
19:21:15 <Morbus> Hah!
19:21:15 <Ozafy> ok :)
19:21:21 <Morbus> ;)
19:21:33 <Ozafy> english isn't my native language so i don't really care much :p
19:22:45 <sbp> yeah, gimme a moment, sorry
19:22:59 <Ozafy> heh, np
19:23:08 <Ozafy> mumbles sent me, didn(t know if he already asked ;p
19:23:17 <Ozafy> 't*
19:25:26 <sbp> symptoms confirmed, looking into what's causing it
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19:29:34 <sbp> good grief
19:29:35 <sbp> RCVD: :OpServ!OpServ@Services.GameSurge.net NOTICE phenny3 :WARNING: You have connected the maximum permitted number of clients from one IP address (clones). If you connect any more, your host will be temporarily banned from the network
19:30:16 <Ozafy> at least it warns, most networks just G-line :p
19:30:36 <sbp> RCVD: :sbp!~sean@... PRIVMSG phenny3 :.join #kaboom
19:30:36 <sbp> SEND: ['JOIN'] #kaboom
19:30:36 <sbp> RCVD: :phenny3!~phenny3@... JOIN #kaboom
19:30:36 <sbp> RCVD: :Gigenet.IL.US.GameSurge.net 353 phenny3 = #kaboom :phenny3 @sbp
19:30:36 <sbp> RCVD: :Gigenet.IL.US.GameSurge.net 366 phenny3 #kaboom :End of /NAMES list.
19:30:52 <sbp> mumbles: the join.py fix that I posted works for me
19:30:58 <sbp> I'm not sure what's up with the connection problem
19:32:12 <Ozafy> i think i see the problem, hold on
19:32:36 <sbp> I think the JOIN is being sent too early
19:32:43 <Ozafy> aye
19:32:48 <Ozafy> it should be sent after the notices
19:32:55 <Ozafy> ircu ignores everything before it
19:32:59 <Ozafy> i think
19:34:05 <sbp> can't see anything in RFC 1459 about a response code to wait for from the server before sending a JOIN though
19:36:15 <Ozafy> ircu was forked before 1459 i think
19:37:24 <Ozafy> it's based on irc2.7, and irc2.8 is the first one following rfc1459
19:38:43 <sbp> ah, hmm
19:39:13 <sbp> I suppose I could resend the joins when getting a 251
19:39:13 <mumbles> * mumbles loves casuing unsolvable isshues
19:39:39 <sbp> mumbles: actually, the fix I pasted earlier *should* have worked!
19:39:43 <sbp> perhaps you'd like to try it again?
19:39:57 <sbp> you need to put these three lines:
19:39:58 <sbp> def f_join(self, origin, match, args):
19:39:58 <sbp> self.write(['JOIN'], match.group(1))
19:39:58 <sbp> f_join.rule = r'^\.join (.*)$'
19:40:03 <sbp> into a file called modules/join.py
19:40:18 <sbp> i.e. a file called join.py in the modules directory of your phenny installation
19:40:22 <Ozafy> he did
19:40:40 <sbp> and it didn't work? worked for me
19:41:00 <Ozafy> should it use that when auto joining?
19:41:09 <Ozafy> or do you have to manually make it join?
19:41:27 <sbp> manually join at the moment, as a stopgap until I figure out how best to fix this
19:41:36 <Ozafy> * Ozafy kicks mumbles
19:41:43 <Ozafy> you didn't try it manually did you?
19:41:45 <mumbles> i did
19:41:53 <mumbles> nothing happend
19:41:55 <sbp> yeah, see http://swhack.com/logs/2005-12-05#T17-41-51
19:42:04 <sbp> perhaps you just needed to wait a little longer or something?
19:42:10 <sbp> did you have the correct nickname and such?
19:42:33 <mumbles> thinks back to last night.. possabley
19:42:38 <Ozafy> rofl
19:42:41 <Ozafy> it works just fine
19:42:46 <Ozafy> [20:42:30] -> *jade* .join #BorkNet
19:42:46 <Ozafy> [20:42:30] *** Jade join #BorkNet (Jade@borknet.org) (1 clone: @elmo)
19:42:49 <sbp> it was just two hours ago :-)
19:42:55 <sbp> hey, there we go
19:42:57 <Ozafy> ^^
19:43:02 <sbp> working on getting her to do that automatically...
19:43:50 <mumbles> thanks :p
19:45:39 <sbp> Ozafy: thanks for joining and helping out, by the way
19:45:47 <Ozafy> np
19:45:49 <sbp> almost fixed, I think, just about to test...
19:46:23 <sbp> yep, done it
19:46:31 <Ozafy> nice :)
19:46:48 <mumbles> * mumbles loves help like this
19:46:58 <sbp> okay, mumbles. lines 144 and 145 in irc.py are this: [[[
19:46:59 <sbp> if args[1] == 'PING':
19:46:59 <sbp> self.write(('PONG', args[0]))
19:46:59 <sbp> ]]]
19:47:02 <Ozafy> you mean letting others fix your mess ;p
19:47:06 <sbp> I want you to add these three lines after them:
19:47:12 <sbp> [[[
19:47:12 <sbp> elif args[1] == '251':
19:47:12 <sbp> for channel in self.channels:
19:47:12 <sbp> self.write(('JOIN', channel))
19:47:13 <sbp> ]]]
19:47:18 <sbp> as usual, note the indentation
19:47:22 <Ozafy> mumbles: i'll do it
19:47:25 <mumbles> k
19:47:28 <sbp> and remember, you're not *replacing* the lines above
19:47:31 <sbp> just adding that after
19:47:34 <sbp> ah, thanks Ozafy
19:48:38 <sbp> this is just a local "this makes it work for you" solution, not something I'll put into the main phenny code. I need to read up about this more and check to see what the best method for doing this is. presumably there are certain codes that all servers emit
19:48:53 <sbp> I guess 251 might be one, but I can't see if it's required to be sent from a cursory read of the IRC RFC
19:49:18 <sbp> and of course this server doesn't seem to conform to the IRC RFC anyway, so I might have to check out some standard IRC client implementations to see what they do
19:49:33 <Ozafy> yup
19:49:34 <Ozafy> worked
19:49:37 <Ozafy> cheers m8 :)
19:49:47 <sbp> great. you're welcome!
19:49:53 <sbp> thanks again for stopping by to help
19:49:59 <Ozafy> no problem
19:50:30 <sbp> * sbp skims the RFC some more...
19:50:37 <Ozafy> =)
19:53:57 <Ozafy> is self.msg the equavalent of a privmsg? i want to make the bot auth to our services ;)
19:55:14 <Ozafy> nope, it isn't :p
19:58:39 <sbp> almost. the first arg is the recipient, the second arg is the message
19:58:56 <sbp> so if you wanted to use Freenode's nickserv, it'd be self.msg('NickServ', 'IDENTIFY password')
19:59:17 <Ozafy> ah, ok :)
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20:16:21 <Ozafy> works like a charm now :)
20:16:25 <Ozafy> thx for the help
20:17:07 <sbp> no problem
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21:17:47 <Morbus> JibberJim: ping.
21:18:13 <Morbus> If I have a form id 'f_current_image', i'd like to change it's value through JS.
21:18:20 <Morbus> What's the DOM path to it?
21:18:29 <Morbus> and is it just path.value?
21:22:10 <JibberJim> Morbus
21:22:27 <JibberJim> document.forms['formname']['f_current_image']
21:22:29 <JibberJim> document.forms['formname']['f_current_image'].value
21:22:43 <Morbus> 'formname' is a form id?
21:22:56 <Morbus> k. gotcha. thanks.
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21:55:23 <Morbus> uche: thanks for the update on xbel. i'm a fan.
21:55:34 <Morbus> (http://www.disobey.com/d/lists/bookmarks)
21:59:01 <Morbus> phenny, tell uche thanks for the update on xbel. i'm a fan: http://www.disobey.com/d/lists/bookmarks
21:59:04 <phenny> Morbus: I'll pass that on when uche is around.
22:02:01 <Morbus> phenny tell sbp some chuckles here: http://use.perl.org/~Ovid/journal/27845?from=rss
22:02:03 <phenny> Morbus: I'll pass that on when sbp is around.
22:20:46 <thelsdj> woot.com scares me, they sold 5000 x $49.99 250gb ide drives (2mb cache) in 10 hours, incase you didn't catch that, the users spent a quarter mil in 10 hours, i want to get part of that action lol
22:30:50 <edsu> so reddit did go python from lisp afterall eh?
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22:42:44 <bancus> One of Australia's largest banks apologized on Monday for a "grooming handbook" that suggested staff wear flesh-colored underwear and advised against shiny stockings because they make legs look fatter.
22:42:55 <bancus> -- http://today.reuters.com/news/newsarticle.aspx?type=oddlyEnoughNews&storyid=2005-12-05T164303Z_01_DIT560168_RTRUKOC_0_US-AUSTRALIA-BANK.xml
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22:45:10 <JibberJim> but surely that's good advice?
22:45:19 <JibberJim> I know I stopped wearing shiny stockings
22:46:20 <bancus> But do you wear flesh-colored underwear?
22:46:32 <JibberJim> underwear?
22:46:38 <bancus> Point.
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23:51:37 <kandinski> fans of the TV tropes: read the Roger Ebert glossary
23:51:46 <kandinski> http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?category=GLOSSARY
23:52:12 <sbp> oh
23:53:18 <redmonk> IN MY PANTS
23:57:04 <sbp> hehe, this is grea
23:57:05 <sbp> ...t
