00:00:02 <deltab> the OED doesn't haev 'backsplat'
00:00:55 <kpreid> * kpreid notes for sbp, etc.'s benefit that the URL for Dasher (which Arnia referred) to is <http://www.inference.phy.cam.ac.uk/dasher/>.
00:01:53 <deltab> but it does have '[habenry'
00:05:58 <deltab> ah, [ ] means spurious or ghost words
00:09:13 <sbp> I like Python's method of keeping as many significant places as you use in the input
00:09:39 <sbp> er wait, that doesn't bear upon this. it's just for trailing 0s
00:09:58 <sbp> scale=10 is good; thanks
00:10:04 <sbp> and thanks for the URI, kpreid
00:10:31 <kpreid> I have URIs for many things
00:10:33 <deltab> huh, it has an entry for MathML
00:11:09 <deltab> sbp: python rounds to about 14 places, then drops trailing zeroes
00:11:19 <sbp> I think you can set the resolution
00:11:32 <deltab> no
00:11:41 <sbp> really? not even with getcontext().prec?
00:11:42 <deltab> well, you can round to less
00:11:52 <deltab> where's that?
00:11:59 <sbp> see http://docs.python.org/lib/module-decimal.html
00:12:08 <deltab> oh, I meant floats
00:12:15 <sbp> ohh
00:12:28 <deltab> decimal should work to any number, given memory
00:17:37 <deltab> abnormeth is "a misreading of vnourneth"
00:19:17 <deltab> ablewhackets, a card game in which the loser is beaten using a hankerchief. "Very popular with horny-fisted sailors."
00:19:43 <sbp> .gc ablewhackets
00:19:46 <phenny> ablewhackets: 1,520
00:20:48 <sbp> only site that seems to have anything of substance on it: http://blather.newdream.net/red/a/ablewhackets.html
00:20:52 <Arnia> * Arnia is sleepy :(
00:21:05 <Arnia> I'm off to bed.
00:25:06 <sbp> 'night Arnia
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01:06:53 <Monty> it's Xavier!
01:13:41 <bjoern_> hmm... http://www.0xdeadbeef.com/?p=155 -- Monty, what do you think?
01:13:41 <Monty> Does that question interest you ?
01:13:49 <bjoern_> Monty, yes, much so
01:13:50 <Monty> not-apply. ]]
01:13:57 <bjoern_> pity Monty
01:13:59 <Monty> no! the "taking something there any
01:14:23 <bjoern_> how about a quick game then?
01:14:29 <bjoern_> Monty, paper
01:14:29 <Monty> I chose stone - You win :(
01:14:36 <bjoern_> I win! I win!
01:15:15 <sbp> [[[
01:15:16 <sbp> For the finest cuisine it's ok
01:15:16 <sbp> To spend more for a little cachet.
01:15:16 <sbp> But it's abligurition,
01:15:16 <sbp> By strict definition,
01:15:16 <sbp> To consume in one meal a week's pay.
01:15:21 <sbp> ]]] - http://www.oedilf.com/db/Lim.php?Word=abligurition
01:15:33 <sbp> (By Ulfras, http://www.oedilf.com/db/Lim.php?AuthorId=620)
01:17:42 <sbp> oh, awesome
01:17:49 <sbp> the word "piffle" was first used by James Orchard Halliwell-Phillipps
01:19:26 <sbp> hmm. if I wrote a biography about J. O. Halliwell-Phillipps, would that make me a meta Shakespeare biographer?
01:20:35 <sbp> "1847-78 HALLIWELL, Pifle, to be squeamish or delicate."
01:20:37 <sbp> - http://bbcwords.oed.com/cgi/entry/50178942/50178942se1?query_type=word&queryword=piffle&first=1&max_to_show=10&sort_type=alpha&result_place=2&search_id=9JJU-fNJlQS-1&hilite=50178942se1
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01:21:13 <sbp> er, I wonder what book that's from?
01:21:24 <sbp> the OED's bibliography doesn't list a particular book from that range
01:21:36 <sbp> but it does have "A dictionary of archaic and provincial words, obsolete phrases, proverbs and ancient customs, from the fourteenth century" from '47, and it seems to fit
01:22:08 <sbp> so I guess it's a recording of some dialect word
01:22:12 <sbp> I wonder which dialect?
01:22:45 <sbp> hmm. lowest price for that book on Google is... steep
01:22:47 <sbp> er, Amazon
01:24:05 <sbp> it's a big book though. 900 pages or so
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01:31:02 <deltab> http://www.oedilf.com/db/Lim.php?Word=able-whackets
01:33:27 <sbp> wow, cool
01:39:20 <deltab> oh, you already found that site
01:40:16 <clsn> Lesson learned some weeks ago: the OED is a bad choice of Official Dictionary to use for a game of Scrabble.
01:40:21 <sbp> yup. I guess under the circumstances it's not all that odd that we both found it
01:40:34 <sbp> I got abliguration from the same entry page as ablewhackets
01:40:47 <sbp> clsn: why's that?
01:41:11 <sbp> because it contains all of [a-z]{1,3}? :-)
01:41:13 <clsn> Because it has so many weird-ass archaic forms that almost anything you can come up with is probably legal.
01:41:17 <sbp> heh, heh
01:41:38 <clsn> Doesn't matter if you misspell syzygy, somewhere there was a use of it spelled that way.
01:42:17 <sbp> from Greek syzygein, to yoke together
01:42:42 <sbp> looks like that one at least has probably remained fairly constant over the years
01:42:58 <sbp> popinjay's a good one though
01:43:10 <clsn> It was an example, sbp. :) Actually, I'm somewhat surprised I spelled it right off the cuff there.
01:43:17 <sbp> alpha: 4 papiaye, (papeiaie, -gai), 4-5 papeiay, 5 papageye, papeiai, -ioy(e, Sc. pape-iay(e, (7 papgay)
01:43:19 <sbp> beta: 4-5 popeiay, 5 popegaye, pope iaye
01:43:26 <sbp> gamma: 4 papengay, 5 -ioye, papyniay(e, -gaye, papiniay(e, 6 -geay(e, Sc. -gay
01:43:35 <sbp> delta: 4- popin-, 5-7 popen-, 5-6 popyn-, 6-8 poppin-; 4-7 -gay, 5 -{ygh}ay, -yay, 5-6 -iay, -iaye, -geay, 6 -gaye, -iae, -ioye, -gei, -giay, -gjoye, 6-7 -gaie, -iaie, 6-8 -gey, 7 -gie, -ia, -jaye, -gjay; 7-9 poppinjay, 7- popinjay
01:43:44 <sbp> epsilon: (Sc.) 6 papinga, -gaw, -go, 8 popingoe
01:44:04 <clsn> I came across the word "cuntlines" in a completely non-naughty book... Tried to find it in OED, but it only had the spelling contlines, I think.
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01:44:28 <clsn> (they're the grooves spiraling down a rope between the twisted strands. It was Ashley's Book of Knots)
01:44:31 <sbp> wh... thanks
01:44:58 <sbp> neat. it's in http://www.bruzelius.info/Nautica/Etymology/English/Steel(1794)_p53.html a couple of times
01:45:53 <sbp> sbp has changed the topic to: "SERVING-MALLET has a round head, about twelve inches long, to serve round the parcelling and spunyarn, which is woolded round the rope, to work the worming into the cuntline of the rope."
01:46:21 <clsn> You sure that's okay for a family channel? :)
01:46:52 <sbp> sure. it refers to the grooves spiraling down a rope between the twisted strands. what's unfamily about that? :-)
01:47:18 <clsn> I see it uses "reeved"... Ashley used the slightly hard-to-get-used-to "rove"
01:47:34 <clsn> "... and then the end is rove through the eye and hove on tightly."
01:47:35 <sbp> and the fact that a serving-mallet is twelve inches long and has a rounded head simply means that one can get good leverage and a powerful bang out of it
01:48:55 <sbp> .ety reeve
01:48:58 <phenny> "'steward,' O.E. gerefa, of unknown origin and with no known cognates." - http://etymonline.com/?term=reeve
01:49:36 <clsn> Hrumph. It also means to draw a rope through something.
01:50:22 <sbp> what's the etymology of that sense?
01:50:25 <phenny> Can't find the etymology for "that sense". Try http://etymonline.com/?search=that sense
01:50:29 <sbp> ...
01:50:32 <sbp> thanks phenny
01:50:34 <phenny> Don't mention it.
01:50:51 <sbp> * sbp fixes that regexp...
01:50:53 <clsn> Don't know... Just know that I've seen it.
01:50:59 <sbp> fair enough
01:52:05 <sbp> .reload etymology
01:52:07 <phenny> Reloaded "etymology".
01:52:09 <sbp> what's the etymology of la la la?
01:52:13 <sbp> what's the etymology of etymology?
01:52:16 <phenny> "1398, from Gk. etymologia, from etymon 'true sense' (neut. of etymos 'true,' related to eteos 'true') + logos 'word.' In classical times, of meanings; later, of histories." - http://etymonline.com/?term=etymology
01:52:21 <sbp> okay then
01:52:55 <clsn> http://wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=reeve
01:53:11 <sbp> female ruff?
01:53:21 <clsn> I don't know either. :)
01:53:29 <sbp> hehe
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02:09:59 <redmonk> i coined a new term tonight
02:10:15 <redmonk> for the boxes-and-arrows crowd
02:11:03 <redmonk> "Graphsturbation: drawing pretty graphs that do not accomplish anything but make the IA feel good."
02:11:32 <redmonk> of course, i'm defining a term by using the same word. it should be:
02:11:38 <redmonk> "Graphsturbation: drawing pretty charts that do not accomplish anything but make the IA feel good."
02:14:42 <sbp> Definition by Synonym
02:14:58 <redmonk> oh my, i really id coin it:
02:15:03 <redmonk> .g graphsturbation
02:15:07 <phenny> graphsturbation: sorry, no results were found.
02:15:20 <redmonk> me++
02:42:25 <kpreid> sbp: perhaps some URI-escaping is needed, anyway. after all,
02:42:30 <kpreid> what's the etymology of &?
02:42:55 <kpreid> aw.
02:45:13 <clsn> It's an E+T ligature/
02:45:34 <kpreid> I know.
02:45:58 <kpreid> Or rather, whethher I know is irrelevant to the point.
02:46:13 <clsn> Ooooh. Sorry. Didn't realize you were stress-testing the regexp.
02:47:13 <kpreid> No, actually, I was hoping for a mangled URL.
02:47:33 <clsn> Gotcha.
02:54:27 <sbp> yeah, she only allows characters that don't need encoding now
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03:20:43 <madewokherd> can I ask a really weird, open-ended, and very geeky question?
03:20:55 <madewokherd> is this a good place for that?
03:22:04 <jsled> Yup.
03:22:11 <madewokherd> ok, cool
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03:22:43 <madewokherd> say I have a square, with sides of length 1 (I don't care at all what the length is)
03:22:53 <madewokherd> it's divided into regions
03:22:59 <madewokherd> and all the regions are rectangles
03:23:32 <madewokherd> and uh they fill the whole square
03:23:35 <madewokherd> what would be a good data structure to represent that sort of thing?
03:23:54 <kpreid> a list!
03:23:56 <clsn> Oooh, computational geometry. I once studied this. But I don't have an answer at the moment.
03:23:58 <kpreid> ...represent it for what purpose?
03:24:18 <madewokherd> well, I'd want it to be easy (or at least possible) to manipulate
03:24:21 <clsn> axis-aligned rectangles? What do you need to do, find the regions in which a test point is located?
03:24:22 <madewokherd> move around edges
03:24:26 <kpreid> not that I've studied what clsn has, but ...
03:24:31 <sbp> could store the start and end points of all the lines
03:24:33 <madewokherd> get rid of regions
03:24:35 <madewokherd> split them
03:24:58 <jsled> if a region is split, don't you now have 2 regions?
03:24:59 <madewokherd> yes, axis-aligned
03:25:17 <madewokherd> if a region is split, you have one more region than you had before
03:25:17 <clsn> Start and endpoints of the lines is sounding good. Maybe 2 lists, one of horizontal lines and one of vertical ones?
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03:26:05 <sbp> I like that. then you might want a function that can take any pair of coordinates and return the boundaries
03:26:33 <clsn> Keep 'em sorted somehow and it's easier to find where a point lies.
03:26:54 <clsn> later.
03:26:57 <madewokherd> I tried to code this
03:27:12 <madewokherd> and ended up with the two lists
03:27:14 <madewokherd> of lines
03:27:51 <madewokherd> one coordinate for each line, and its endpoints (a link to two other lines)
03:28:06 <madewokherd> and a list of regions and the lines they're next to
03:28:11 <madewokherd> it was really hard to manipulate
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03:28:38 <madewokherd> so much bookkeeping involved in keeping everything consistent :/
03:28:54 <madewokherd> so I'm looking for ways I can store less information
03:33:39 <madewokherd> wait a second
03:33:43 <madewokherd> maybe I don't care about the endpoints
03:34:53 <madewokherd> I just care about one coordinate for each line and which lines are the edges of each region
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04:24:44 <clsn> I was thinking... You want a list, sorted in the x-dimension, of lists of endpoints along the line at that x-coord.
04:25:08 <clsn> Then you can find the region for a point fairly easily, if they're in a sorted tree of some kind.
04:25:38 <clsn> Splitting and merging things are just tree manipulations.
04:27:30 <deltab> writing a Qix AI?
04:28:18 <madewokherd> a tree won't work
04:28:52 <madewokherd> there are some ways you could put the rectangles so they can't be represented by a tree
04:32:26 <madewokherd> * madewokherd draws a picture
04:33:04 <madewokherd> http://img492.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotborders2uy.png <-- this is an example of one
04:39:53 <kpreid> madewokherd: you can build a tree where each of the leaves points to all rectangles intersecting that leaf
04:40:27 <kpreid> when the tree's branches halve each dimension, this is the classic quadtree/octree structure
04:40:43 <kpreid> and that's about everything I know about spatial data structures :)
04:40:50 <madewokherd> that went right over my head
04:41:19 <madewokherd> ok, I know what a leaf is
04:41:20 <kpreid> you have the rectangles as objects
04:41:25 <madewokherd> ok
04:41:31 <madewokherd> are the rectangles part of the tree?
04:41:35 <kpreid> and the leaves of the tree *point* to the rectangles
04:41:42 <madewokherd> ok..
04:42:02 <kpreid> specifically, any rectangle which intersects the area covered by a leaf is pointed to by that leaf
04:42:16 <kpreid> thus, you can store any shape you want in the tree
04:42:35 <kpreid> but this particular type of tree may not be the best for your application
04:42:42 <madewokherd> what do the "forks" (can't remember what they're called) represent?
04:42:49 <kpreid> halving the space
04:42:52 <kpreid> usually
04:43:02 <madewokherd> in this case, it can't always be halving the space :/
04:43:17 <madewokherd> in the screenshot
04:43:21 <madewokherd> did you look at my drawing?
04:43:23 <kpreid> yes
04:43:27 <madewokherd> I spent some time on that
04:43:28 <kpreid> well, I'm talking about specifically a quadtree
04:43:31 <kpreid> no, it *is* always halving
04:43:43 <kpreid> the leaves on *both sides* of any such split point to the rectangle which overlaps both
04:44:17 <madewokherd> so I might have the same rectangle on more than one leaf?
04:44:21 <kpreid> yes
04:44:24 <kpreid> that is normal
04:45:10 <madewokherd> I think that would be hard for me to manipulate
04:45:34 <kpreid> well, you write a quadtree library and hide all the details in it
04:45:57 <kpreid> but...I don't know that a quadtree is the right answer, it's just what I know about
04:46:19 <madewokherd> I can't hide the details, sadly
04:46:31 <kpreid> why?
04:46:34 <madewokherd> I want something I can really manipulate easily
04:47:04 <madewokherd> my eventual goal is to create a window manager, but I'm skipping over the window management part of it for now
04:47:54 <madewokherd> for example, I should be able to take that top rectangle and make it span the top
04:48:08 <madewokherd> by dragging its right border over to the right side of the screen
04:48:59 <madewokherd> trees (at least the kind of trees I'd know how to do) make that sort of thing REALLY hard :/
04:49:51 <kpreid> that's not an answer to my question :)
04:50:03 <kpreid> if you have a quadtree library
04:50:10 <madewokherd> you're probably still going over my head
04:50:30 <madewokherd> * madewokherd looks up quadtree in wikipedia
04:50:31 <kpreid> the interface is operations like "add object" "move object" "return all objects within the rectangle x,y,x',y'"
04:50:43 <madewokherd> ok..
04:50:50 <kpreid> the tree-fiddling is *implementation*
04:50:59 <madewokherd> so I'd be responsible for making sure there's exactly one rectangle in each spot
04:51:01 <madewokherd> ?
04:51:12 <kpreid> well, if that's a constraint in your application, then yes
04:51:13 <madewokherd> not the library
04:51:23 <madewokherd> oh, uh, it is
04:51:24 <kpreid> you can test that easily enough
04:51:27 <madewokherd> yep
04:51:48 <kpreid> just ask the quadtree what's in that space before puttingn a rectangle there
04:52:12 <kpreid> but the point is, you don't need to care about the details at this level, just as "dict[k] = v" doesn't reveal hash buckets
04:53:15 <madewokherd> yeah, but it doesn't help me (I was very unclear on what I want, of course)
04:53:33 <kpreid> there are always situations where you have to write your own quadtree, or hash table, but you can still keep it simple by creating an abstract interface of that sort (lookup/add/delete/...) and writing the data structure implementation separately from the rest of the app
04:53:39 <madewokherd> and I think I know how I want to do this now, so I don't feel like putting any great effort into explaining it
04:53:46 <madewokherd> unless you really care :p
04:54:03 <kpreid> hm
04:54:26 <kpreid> so you're primarily concerned with adjacent rectangles...
04:54:29 <kpreid> (I assume)
04:54:49 <madewokherd> it would seem so
04:55:03 <kpreid> one way you could do things is by storing for each rectangle, the rectangles that touch it along each edge
04:55:35 <kpreid> disallow empty space - treat it as "dead rectangles"
04:55:51 <madewokherd> what I really want is just enough data to describe the structure
04:55:53 <kpreid> it shouldn't be too hard to update that structure
04:55:59 <madewokherd> I tried keeping track of adjacent things
04:56:08 <madewokherd> it was a pain because it was a lot of information
04:56:23 <kpreid> you're probably doing it wrong, then :)
04:56:36 <madewokherd> and I think I can get away with looking at every rectangle when I want to find something
04:57:24 <kpreid> well, I hope I helped
04:57:31 <kpreid> time to sleep.
04:57:38 <madewokherd> night
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05:35:24 <moira> morning
05:35:35 <moira> and happy new year
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07:00:20 <Monty> welcome, BigJibby
07:03:50 <BigJibby> Monty, how are you today?
07:03:51 <Monty> have more potential
07:05:43 <BigJibby> Monty, never give up, never surrender!
07:05:45 <Monty> how's freeing british maps going?
07:06:17 <zool> Monty, how do you reckon it's going?
07:06:21 <Monty> bah, you're expected I always liked the entire countries, in awhile if traverse_subpath:
07:06:38 <zool> thanks, Monty.
07:06:38 <Monty> What does that suggest to you ?
07:06:50 <zool> :)
07:09:01 <BigJibby> Monty, if you could have anything in the world what would it be?
07:09:01 <Monty> Do you think its likely that I could have anything in the world what would it be ?
07:09:13 <BigJibby> Monty, you can do it!
07:09:14 <Monty> (not a display
07:09:38 <BigJibby> Monty, ok, so what?
07:09:41 <Monty> trees (at most usb2 stuff if nokia do, or itertools.imap
07:09:55 <BigJibby> Monty, usb2 trees?
07:10:00 <Monty> Would appreciate an interesting implementation separately from tav on projection in AS
07:29:01 <BigJibby> MotleyBot, sup?
07:29:14 <MotleyBot> BigJibby: # Renewable energy (wind
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11:03:34 <Monty> Speak of the devil, it's bjoern_!
11:04:01 <Arnia> * Arnia prods Monty
11:04:01 <Monty> make that part of bt headset, battery would wurfl files are transferred from one another reason asterisk couldn't release
11:04:17 <Arnia> Monty: How are you today my fine bot
11:04:20 <Monty> http://blogfiles.wfmu.org/KF/0512/zapruder_stable.mov
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13:11:48 <sbp> hey
13:13:10 <danja-alt> yo sbp
13:14:20 <danja-alt> recent bits in #swig may be of interest
13:14:36 <danja-alt> rdf in html for assistive tech
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13:53:50 <Morbus> eh oh
13:53:52 <phenny> Morbus: 03 Jan 15:27Z <redmonk> tell Morbus HeeeeEEEEELLLP
14:08:57 <JibberJim> anyone know of a C++ CRC-8 class?
14:13:24 <JibberJim> why does there not seem to be a CRC-8 anywhere...
14:16:48 <crschmidt> THERE IS NO CRC-8. THERE IS ONLY XUUL
14:22:26 <sbp> XUUL-8
14:22:43 <sbp> hey danja-alt, Morbus, JibberJim, crschmidt
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14:43:29 <Monty> hi bkdelong
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17:14:40 <Morbus> http://keithdevens.com/weblog/archive/2006/Jan/04/Winer.referrer.abuse
17:24:30 <Morbus> is application/soap+xml a legit mime type?
17:28:58 <jsled> Yes: http://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf-announce/current/msg00227.html
17:29:58 <Morbus> bugger.
17:30:14 <Morbus> nusoap only expects text/xml, and faults otherwise.
17:30:20 <jsled> also: http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3902.txt
17:30:46 <jsled> Nice. Not even application/xml ?
17:30:57 <Morbus> nope.
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17:39:30 <Monty> howdy, raxor
17:39:57 <raxor> howdy, Cowboy Monty
17:39:58 <Monty> blesseder: 1,350
17:39:59 <Arnia> * Arnia hands Monty some bananas
17:39:59 <Monty> nsh: see your mint?
17:40:29 <raxor> what? You took all that time to come up with blesseder?
17:40:31 <raxor> Monty?
17:40:31 <Monty> Do you feel strongly about discussing such things ?
17:40:39 <raxor> Very strongly, Monty
17:40:41 <Monty> After all, copy of Razzle is cubic...
17:40:45 <raxor> oh
17:40:49 <raxor> I concede
17:44:11 <crschmidt> raxor!
17:44:22 <raxor> crschmidt!
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18:05:36 <JibberJim> okay, I'm an idiot
18:05:41 <JibberJim> what am I doing wrong
18:06:09 <JibberJim> msb= (unsigned char) i >> 8; lsb = (unsigned char) i;
18:06:10 <JibberJim> ??
18:07:16 <jsled> i's an integer?
18:08:13 <JibberJim> yes
18:08:14 <JibberJim> bah!
18:08:25 <JibberJim> the cast happens first!
18:08:41 <clsn> Cast has *very* high precedence.
18:08:57 <JibberJim> I tell you what guys, working with 1k storage devices is a pain in the neck!
18:09:25 <clsn> Makes you want to stick a piece of paper in there for the processor to write down a little extra info...
18:09:47 <sbp> Monty: remind me in 72 hours about http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=522516
18:09:48 <Monty> sbp: Okay, I'll remind you about that on Sat Jan 07 18:09:47 GMT 2006
18:10:25 <Arnia> Monty, remind me in 4 hours to hit you over the head
18:10:26 <Monty> Arnia: Okay, I'll remind you about that on Wed Jan 04 22:10:25 GMT 2006
18:11:19 <Arnia> * Arnia waves to sbp
18:11:28 <sbp> hey there Arnia!
18:11:34 <Arnia> How goes it?
18:16:06 <Arnia> * Arnia tries to set up a home delivery order for Sainsbury's
18:16:47 <crschmidt> phenny: tell bancus it's january! Do you know where your server hosting fees are? (Because I don't!)
18:16:49 <phenny> crschmidt: I'll pass that on when bancus is around.
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19:43:05 <Morbus> is there an xml tidy online?
19:43:11 <Morbus> i got a morass of soap with no newlines.
19:44:05 <uche> why online?
19:44:15 <Morbus> cos i'm too damn lazy to install something for a one-off project.
19:44:25 <uche> don't you have libxml?
19:44:42 <Morbus> it appears I have the RPM, yes.
19:44:45 <Morbus> got a cmdline?
19:44:50 <uche> xmllint
19:44:55 <Morbus> thanks.
19:45:33 <uche> hmm. I don't see the pretty option
19:45:39 <uche> could've sworn xmmlint had that
19:45:58 <Morbus> bugger
19:46:05 <uche> how about 4xml?
19:46:14 <uche> RPM based systems usually have 4suite installed
19:46:19 <uche> 4xml -p <file>
19:46:19 <Morbus> yep, I have that.
19:46:29 <Morbus> beautiful!
19:46:41 <Morbus> * Morbus adds that to his cmdline repertoire.
19:46:41 <uche> wow. I helped you twice over ;-)
19:46:48 <uche> writing the software and referring you to it
19:46:53 <Morbus> heheh
19:47:20 <uche> I suggested libxml2 before 4xml because more systems have the former by default
19:47:23 <deltab> http://infohound.net/tidy/ has Input XML and pretty-printing options
19:47:56 <Morbus> don't see input xml there.
19:48:04 <Morbus> only xhtml.
19:48:06 <uche> that reminds me: I need to update 4xml to use the new 4suite/SAX
19:48:14 <deltab> between Hide endtags and Join classes
19:48:37 <Morbus> I don't see those either.
19:48:41 <Morbus> what browser?
19:48:52 <deltab> Links 2
19:49:49 <deltab> oh, maybe they're hidden by default if you have CSS/JS
19:49:58 <deltab> click on "Advanced"
19:50:06 <uche> gmail must batch sends every 10 mins or so
19:50:35 <Morbus> oh man.
19:50:39 <Morbus> what a horribly hidden link.
19:50:43 <Morbus> that was it ;)
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20:06:50 <zool> yoztuple!
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20:08:40 <[1]Yoz> zooleika!
20:20:28 <[1]Yoz> hey zool, where are you these days?
20:22:35 <crschmidt> cambridge, ma
20:23:21 <crschmidt> * crschmidt changes nick to Zool'sPersonalAssistant
20:23:28 <crschmidt> (I only know cause she lives down the street now)
20:23:35 <[1]Yoz> aaaah.
20:23:40 <[1]Yoz> ta very, crschmidt
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20:31:30 <uche> * uche thinks he met zool at an old XML Europe
20:31:43 <uche> But you were one of the Bristol massive at the time?
20:32:23 <Arnia> Hey uche
20:32:30 <Arnia> This is interesting: http://schrodinger.sourceforge.net/
20:33:40 <uche> * uche kills the cat
20:33:57 <crschmidt> uche: well, a couple days she looked like http://flickr.com/photos/crschmidt/tags/nye+2005+zool/, if that helps you
20:34:01 <crschmidt> but she has no hair anymore
20:35:45 <Yoz> I recently found some old pics of zool from '98 or so
20:36:05 <uche> ta
20:36:10 <Yoz> I must Flickr tem
20:36:14 <uche> Looks like a match, I think
20:36:28 <uche> But ya never know with my extreme male brain
20:36:42 <uche> Anyways, how are ya'll
20:36:53 <uche> Haven't had a chance to hang out here in over a month, I think
20:37:28 <crschmidt> not bad
20:37:36 <crschmidt> busy
20:37:41 <uche> Ning?
20:37:51 <crschmidt> ning and other projects
20:38:07 <crschmidt> full time for ning, free time for other pojects, plus the whole "raising 2 kids" thing :)
20:38:19 <uche> Wimp!
20:38:25 <uche> 2 *GIRLS* IIRC
20:38:27 <Yoz> this Ning thing, it takes up a lot of time
20:38:33 <uche> that's, like, a holiday :-)
20:38:46 <uche> At least until they get to teenage
20:39:01 <crschmidt> uche: If we ever have any boys, I'm leaving them on a mountainside to die of exposure.
20:39:10 <crschmidt> ;)
20:39:13 <uche> Watch out
20:39:20 <crschmidt> * crschmidt grew up with 2 brothers
20:39:22 <uche> They tend to come back, say the Greeks
20:39:24 <crschmidt> i don't *want* boys
20:39:36 <uche> * uche was one of three boys, and has three boys of his own
20:40:01 <jsled> .gc netcat
20:40:02 <uche> I have beaten my life expectancy several times over
20:40:03 <phenny> netcat: 1,050,000
20:40:04 <jsled> .gc gnu-netcat
20:40:06 <phenny> gnu-netcat: 505
20:40:58 <uche> Does Cowan still stop by?
20:41:21 <uche> phenny, seen jcowan?
20:41:32 <crschmidt> yep
20:41:36 <crschmidt> phenny: seen jcowan
20:41:38 <crschmidt> .seen jcowan
20:41:38 <phenny> crschmidt: I last saw jcowan at 2006-01-03 06:33:15 UTC on #d8uv.com
20:41:40 <phenny> crschmidt: I last saw jcowan at 2006-01-03 06:33:15 UTC on #d8uv.com
20:42:08 <Arnia> And to think I want to become a parent :)
20:43:03 <uche> Arnia, 2 male parents is probably a good way to keep boys in line
20:43:53 <Morbus> * Morbus will know his child's sex next week.
20:44:08 <uche> MoiraA, what do you want?
20:44:14 <Morbus> a child.
20:44:15 <uche> Morbus, what do you want?
20:44:17 <Morbus> don't care the gender.
20:44:24 <uche> damn xchat for guessing
20:44:33 <MoiraA> a girl of course
20:44:38 <MoiraA> morbus: you having a baby?
20:44:39 <MoiraA> cool
20:44:46 <Morbus> uche: do "re: " as, "in reference too"
20:44:52 <Morbus> it autocompletes it to redmonk or whathave you.
20:44:55 <Morbus> insanely frustrating.
20:45:07 <uche> hah
20:45:17 <crschmidt> hah. silly xchat.
20:45:26 <uche> irc is notdesigned for literate latinate such as "re"
20:45:42 <uche> it's 4 l33t h4x0rs
20:46:26 <kpreid> .gc h3x0r
20:46:28 <phenny> h3x0r: 3,650
20:46:31 <kpreid> .gc h3x0rs
20:46:33 <phenny> h3x0rs: 196
20:46:59 <kpreid> .gc h3x4d3c1m41
20:47:01 <phenny> h3x4d3c1m41: 8
20:47:12 <kpreid> .gc h3x4d3c1m4l
20:47:14 <phenny> h3x4d3c1m4l: 387
20:47:20 <uche> * uche likes h3x0r
20:47:55 <uche> Samhain meets Mitnick
20:48:12 <Morbus> you know what cartoon i miss?
20:48:15 <Morbus> the original ghostbusters.
20:48:19 <Morbus> i used to love Samhain, the villain.
20:48:29 <uche> Never saw it
20:48:43 <uche> * uche wonders how they pronounced "Samhain" :-)
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20:48:58 <Morbus> "sam" "hayne"
20:49:02 <Morbus> as in the underwear, Hanes.
20:49:05 <uche> figgers
20:49:25 <Morbus> bah, no pictures of him.
20:50:35 <Arnia> We could analyse the kabballistic significance of the word.
20:50:55 <uche> * uche looks quizzically at Arnia
20:51:06 <JibberJim> xover, when are you going to bring SO to London?
20:51:12 <uche> I don't think the Ur-Celts knew Kabballa
20:51:39 <uche> But ya never know.
20:54:55 <Arnia> I'm sorry. I'm in a weird mood tonight. More weird than usual I mean.
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21:05:55 <uche> anyone use thunderbird's RSS reader?
21:07:26 <crschmidt> Morbus, I think
21:07:41 <Morbus> * Morbus loves it.
21:07:45 <uche> it doesn't seem to be working for me
21:07:56 <uche> I imported my OPML and....nothing
21:08:01 <uche> all the "folders" are empty
21:08:08 <Morbus> i don't believe that importing forces a check.
21:08:14 <Morbus> right click and say "get messages for this account"
21:08:30 <Morbus> on the "news & blogs" grou;
21:08:33 <Morbus> account name
21:08:51 <uche> it's chugging
21:08:58 <sbp> Morbus: http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=48182
21:09:03 <Morbus> note, oddly, that get'ing seems to block the client heavily.
21:09:12 <uche> uh oh
21:09:17 <sbp> "Officials notice 'sinister' surge in June 6 bookings to tie knot"
21:09:18 <uche> I have ~80 feeds
21:09:18 <Morbus> uche: i've about 200 feeds.
21:09:29 <uche> K
21:09:39 <Morbus> it's not that big of a deal if a) you set the timer to an hour or so, or b) you always force a check yourself.
21:09:53 <Morbus> my timer is set for 180 minutes, and it only rarely happens at exactly the same time i'm working on something.
21:10:03 <Morbus> but then again, my tb is open as often as my text editor and shell.
21:10:05 <Morbus> ie., all the time.
21:10:17 <uche> seems to max out at 10 per feed
21:10:18 <Morbus> sbp: ahahaha
21:10:27 <Morbus> uche: 10 items? not in my tests.
21:10:31 <Morbus> i've seen 40 or so come in from some.
21:10:50 <uche> hmm. odd
21:11:41 <Morbus> speaking of which, i have 828 items to look at today.
21:16:41 <Morbus> uche: i have all my shit setup to dump into an All Items folder.
21:16:44 <Morbus> as opposed to 80 individual folders.
21:16:54 <Morbus> And then, I have a filter set to archive all the incoming items into another folder.
21:17:05 <Morbus> So that, when I delete them outta All Items ("I've read this"), I still have a searchable backup.
21:17:15 <uche> oh
21:17:27 <uche> have you blogged that kung fu anywhere?
21:17:31 <uche> sounds cool
21:17:39 <Morbus> nope. i've been meaning to write up some orn articles about it.
21:17:45 <Morbus> tb is like, the greatest rss reader no one knows about <g>
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21:17:58 <Monty> hi bloodymike, how ya doing?
21:17:58 <phenny> Monty: shh, don't let anyone know you're around!
21:18:04 <Monty> nn all over my grammar is s'a different is working with women too, does wireless to malaria, oncho, and not home
21:18:17 <bloodymike> Hehe
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21:23:58 <Morbus> crschmidt: interesting: http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/games/role_strategy/wyvernclient.html
21:25:02 <Morbus> though, doesnt' appear to allow your own servers. sigh.
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21:34:59 <raxor> @weather
21:35:01 <supybot> raxor: (weather <US zip code | US/Canada city, state | Foreign city, country>) -- Returns the approximate weather conditions for a given city.
21:35:10 <raxor> @weather 92373
21:35:13 <MoiraA_> MoiraA_ (n=moira@tor/session/x-40f36089a52b2a9e) has joined #swhack
21:35:13 <supybot> raxor: The current temperature in Redlands, California (92373) Conditions & is 73°F (12:56 PM PST on January 04, 2006). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 19%. Dew Point: 28°F. Pressure: 30.25 in 1024 hPa (Falling). Visibility: 50.0 miles 80.4 kilometers. Wind Advisory in effect until 1 PM PST Thursday...
21:35:34 <raxor> Thanks supybot
21:35:35 <supybot> raxor: Error: "Thanks" is not a valid command.
21:35:41 <raxor> oh right...
21:37:54 <raxor> @weather 52274
21:38:02 <supybot> raxor: Error: Could not retrieve weather for "52274".
21:39:08 <raxor> @weather 52240
21:39:09 <supybot> raxor: The current temperature in Iowa City, Iowa (52240) Conditions & is 35°F (2:52 PM CST on January 04, 2006). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 30°F. Windchill: 26°F. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Rising). Visibility: 10.0 miles 16.1 kilometers.
21:43:32 <redmonk> @weather 85215
21:43:34 <supybot> redmonk: The current temperature in Mesa, Arizona (85215) Conditions & is 68°F (1:47 PM MST on January 04, 2006). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 21%. Dew Point: 26°F. Pressure: 30.23 in 1024 hPa. Visibility: 40.0 miles 64.4 kilometers. Near record high temperatures Thursday and Friday...
21:43:52 <redmonk> haha
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21:51:01 <bancus> @weather 92336
21:51:01 <phenny> bancus: 18:16Z <crschmidt> tell bancus it's january! Do you know where your server hosting fees are? (Because I don't!)
21:51:04 <supybot> bancus: The current temperature in Fontana, California (92336) Conditions & is 73°F (12:53 PM PST on January 04, 2006). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 25%. Dew Point: 35°F. Pressure: 30.23 in 1024 hPa. Visibility: 10.0 miles 16.1 kilometers. Wind Advisory in effect until 1 PM PST Thursday...
21:51:40 <bancus> phenny tell crschmidt I just got home from vacation today. Fees are in the mail. (where mail = paypal's horridly slow system)
21:51:41 <phenny> bancus: I'll pass that on when crschmidt is around.
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22:10:40 <Monty> Arnia: You asked me to remind you to hit you over the head
22:11:02 <Arnia> Monty: Hit me over the head then
22:11:06 <Monty> Well, atmospherical jolly arseface has a fight with crackling bold stickers :P
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22:51:55 <bancus> Are there dual-core AMD processors?
22:52:30 <jsled> yup
22:52:55 <jsled> AMD is kicking intel's pants in multi-coring, IIRC.
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22:56:46 <jsled> http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-10442_7-6389077-9.html?tag=lnav
22:59:59 <bancus> wow
23:00:13 <bancus> * bancus is looking to put together an office server/pbx
23:00:26 <bancus> Figure dual-core might allow for better latency on the PBX side.
23:00:40 <bancus> Especially as the system will be very multipurpose.
23:08:47 <crschmidt> bancus: thanks!
23:08:49 <phenny> crschmidt: 21:51Z <bancus> tell crschmidt I just got home from vacation today. Fees are in the mail. (where mail = paypal's horridly slow system)
23:09:06 <crschmidt> bancus: I'm never really dying for the cash immediately, but i'm trying to build up funds for more memory
23:09:12 <bancus> yeah
23:09:16 <crschmidt> I'm about another 10-15 bucks short, and i've got another couple clients to bug
23:09:32 <bancus> Hey, I owe you the money monthly. Don't worry about bugging me for what I owe you. :P
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23:10:14 <bancus> But, yeah, went snowboarding in WA.
23:10:30 <bancus> Roughly 60% of my muscles are in need of massage right now.
23:10:30 <crschmidt> how'd that go?
23:10:35 <bancus> I fell.
23:10:36 <bancus> A lot.
23:10:42 <crschmidt> heh.
23:10:48 <bancus> I used to count for a living, and I lost count.
23:11:06 <bancus> At the end of the lesson, we had to go down a hill to the lifts.
23:11:09 <bancus> I couldn't even manage it.
23:11:22 <bancus> I'd get up, then fall immediately.
23:11:37 <bancus> the 9th time, I did a belly flop and felt like I was going to throw up
23:11:45 <bancus> I told them to go on without me.
23:11:52 <bancus> After lunch, I tried on my own.
23:11:59 <bancus> Figured out how to get up without falling.
23:12:04 <bancus> After that, it was much more fun.
23:12:36 <bancus> I could maintain balance once I achieved it, but getting there was decidedly non-trivial
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23:21:01 <MoiraA_> hiya jilldaw
23:21:04 <MoiraA_> happy new year
23:21:07 <MoiraA_> and chimezie
23:21:20 <chimezie> happy new year MoiraA_
23:21:23 <chimezie> be you man or bot
23:21:31 <jilldaw> hello MoiraA!
23:21:37 <jilldaw> happy new year to all
23:22:58 <MoiraA_> * MoiraA_ is not a bot or man :)
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23:45:57 <Morbus> sbp: ping.
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23:56:56 <bancus> @acronym erp
23:56:59 <supybot> bancus: No definitions found.
23:57:01 <bancus> @acronym crm
23:57:03 <supybot> bancus: No definitions found.
23:57:07 <bancus> @supybot--
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