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02:38:47 <jcowan> Ittywhonk!
02:38:59 <crschmidt> howdy, jcowan
02:40:11 <Arnia> I'm off to bed now, but I'd appreciate thoughts on http://www.deviantart.com/view/27568176/ if you have a moment (I'll read the backscroll)
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02:42:42 <jcowan> I think I need more context to understand what's deviant about it.
02:43:19 <kpreid> * kpreid agrees, but suspects there isn't any.
02:44:28 <jcowan> What, Arnia context-free? Unthinkable.
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02:46:58 <kpreid> Or rather, I suspect the context is either "deviantart as community has diverged from its original name" or "Arnia got an account for ... but also posts off-topic things"
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02:49:41 <jcowan> But why "Blue Sky Faith" as the title? There is a blue sky and a faith-based building, but...?
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03:27:56 <jsled> [[[
03:28:00 <jsled> So in mid-2002, nine months after activation, I upgraded to a program called Hi-Res, which gave me 16 channels - double the resolution! An audiologist plugged my processor into her laptop and uploaded the new code. I suddenly had a better ear, without surgery. In theory, I would now be able to distinguish among tones five notes apart instead of 11.
03:28:06 <jsled> ]]] - http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/13.11/bolero_pr.html
03:30:15 <jsled> [[[
03:30:18 <jsled> An audiologist at the University of Iowa working with Rubenstein handed me a processor loaded with the stochastic-resonance software. The first thing I heard was a loud whoosh - the random noise. It sounded like a cranked-up electric fan. But in about 30 seconds, the noise went away. I was puzzled. "You've adapted to it," the technician told me. The nervous system can habituate to any kind of everyday sound, but it adjusts especially quickly to
03:30:18 <jsled> noise with no variation. Stochastic-resonance noise is so content-free that the brain tunes it out in seconds.
03:30:18 <jsled> In theory, the noise would add just enough energy to incoming sound to make faint details audible. In practice, everything I heard became rough and gritty. My own voice sounded vibrato, mechanical, and husky - even a little querulous, as if I were perpetually whining.
03:30:21 <jsled> ]]] - ibid.
03:40:18 <jcowan> Yeah, that was one of the best Wired articles I've ever read.
03:42:28 <jsled> no kidding.
03:50:18 <bjoern_> .g "one bnf to parse them all"
03:50:21 <phenny> "one bnf to parse them all": sorry, no results were found.
03:50:23 <bjoern_> pity.
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04:07:00 <jcowan> Google doesn't reveal any decent parodies of the Ring-verse, alas.
04:07:02 <jcowan> All crap.
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04:07:45 <jcowan> Few even scan.
04:12:00 <jcowan> There is, however, the one from earlier versions of the Scheme language standard: [[[
04:12:02 <jcowan> Data and procedures and the values they amass,
04:12:02 <jcowan> Higher-order functions to combine and mix and match,
04:12:02 <jcowan> Objects with their local state, the messages they pass,
04:12:02 <jcowan> A property, a package, the control point for a catch -
04:12:02 <jcowan> In the Lambda Order they are all first-class.
04:12:03 <jcowan> One Thing to name them all, One Thing to define them,
04:12:05 <jcowan> One Thing to place them in environments and bind them,
04:12:07 <jcowan> In the Lambda Order they are all first-class.
04:12:09 <jcowan> ]]]
04:20:41 <pjz> .g one .* to .* them all
04:20:43 <phenny> one .* to .* them all: http://www.flashplayer.com/animation/ring2.html
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04:31:09 <redmonk> SWHACK
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04:57:42 <jcowan> Ittywhonk!
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05:48:10 <BigJibby> acronym matt
05:48:10 <Monty> "MATT" - mild Aperture tuned tracks
05:49:23 <BigJibby> Monty, you sure?
05:49:26 <Monty> if (fan club == neutron bomb) { bell regularly sucks delicate websites;}
05:50:02 <BigJibby> Monty, so that's a yes?
05:50:04 <Monty> I reckon load + roof = encompassing television!
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05:50:26 <BigJibby> Monty, random word
05:53:01 <BigJibby> Monty, are you all reckoned out?
05:53:02 <Monty> does something else...
05:53:15 <BigJibby> fine
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11:06:03 <tav> itty mitty
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11:37:58 <Monty> hey teddybot
11:37:59 <Monty> hey bear
11:38:01 <Monty> yo sbp^2!
11:38:29 <teddybot> I see.
11:46:38 <bjoern_> Monty, stats
11:46:38 <Monty> I have a vocabulary of 3893 words, 19 reminders pending, 51 outstanding welcome messages, seen 9530 different nicks and I was born on Fri Nov 25 09:35:58 GMT 2005
11:48:36 <bjoern_> Monty, countdown
11:48:36 <Monty> One large one and five small numbers: 100, 6, 1, 7, 8, 10. Your target is 714. You have thirty seconds, tick, tock, tick, tock...
11:48:50 <bjoern_> Monty, calc 100*7+6+8
11:48:50 <Monty> bjoern_: 714
11:49:06 <Monty> Duh dum, duh dum, duh-da-da-dum! Your 30 seconds are up!
11:49:08 <Monty> I found a solution in approximately 8 milliseconds. I found all 224 solutions in about 254 milliseconds.
11:49:09 <Monty> ibot (8 - 1 + 10)*6*7
11:49:49 <bjoern_> Monty, paper
11:49:49 <Monty> I chose paper - Draw!
11:49:54 <bjoern_> Monty, stone
11:49:54 <Monty> I chose scissors - You win :(
11:50:11 <bjoern_> I win! Twice I win! I R Winner!
11:50:14 <bjoern_> hurray!
11:50:22 <bjoern_> and the crowd goes wild!
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13:23:03 <nsh> .ety antediluvian
13:23:07 <phenny> "'before Noah's flood,' 1646, formed from L. ante- 'before' (see ante) + diluvium 'a flood' (see deluge)." - http://etymonline.com/?term=antediluvian
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14:04:27 <Morbus> phenny, tell sbp alright, was looking around. we can't connect cos we're using the official 1.9 update. We have to download a specific emu 1.9 update to connect. And, naturally, it's Too Late because it can't fix an official 1.9. And, doubly-so, it's an .exe only, so does nothing for my needs.
14:04:29 <phenny> Morbus: I'll pass that on when sbp is around.
14:28:21 <crschmidt> .calc 15 mph in m/s
14:28:24 <phenny> 15 mph = 6.7056 meters / second
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14:51:06 <Monty> hey ngd
14:51:14 <ngd> shh monty
14:51:15 <Monty> hopefully next month or you know.
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15:29:03 <Morbus> * Morbus chuckles:
15:29:05 <Morbus> [[[
15:29:08 <Morbus> I think Morbus is the obvious person, since he stuck his neck out, and we
15:29:08 <Morbus> all know how creepy he is. ;->
15:29:13 <Morbus> ]]] -- Dave Winer, http://www.imc.org/atom-syntax/mail-archive/msg00584.html
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15:30:51 <redmonk> heh
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17:19:06 <pjz> Monty, scissors
17:19:06 <Monty> I chose paper - You win :(
17:19:49 <pjz> anyone know anything about the torque cluster package?
17:20:03 <pjz> aka openpbs++
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17:46:39 <crschmidt> what is http://www.google.com/ie ?
17:58:43 <bjoern_> An information resouce? A namespace name? A bird? A plane?
17:58:49 <bjoern_> Bicycle repair main?
17:58:53 <bjoern_> ouch
17:59:04 <bjoern_> too much c++ coding recently...
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18:16:49 <bkdelong> Where's Google Calendar is what I want to know :)
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18:40:03 <Monty> hey Havard
18:40:35 <Havard> Hi ho, Monty.
18:40:42 <Monty> Moof: cool, I"ll check that sounds quite the topic at MoMo registration is #pys60 channel when it's Clarkson being accessed by all its moblogging
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18:52:14 <sbp> hey
18:52:16 <phenny> sbp: 14:04Z <Morbus> tell sbp alright, was looking around. we can't connect cos we're using the official 1.9 update. We have to download a specific emu 1.9 update to connect. And, naturally, it's Too Late because it can't fix an official 1.9. And, doubly-so, it's an .exe only, so does nothing for my needs.
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18:52:52 <Morbus> * Morbus sighs.
18:52:52 <sbp> interesting
18:52:52 <verbosus> oi sbp
18:52:58 <sbp> ah, hi there. hey verbosus
18:53:00 <Morbus> sbp: there's a sticky on that site about it.
18:53:05 <verbosus> Todd’s new startup sounds cool
18:53:16 <Morbus> i went back to see what they were doing for 1.9.1 and the new 1.9.2.
18:53:21 <Morbus> which just came out today.
18:54:00 <Morbus> sbp: you shouls really start on a europe server. your card is runnign out.
18:54:05 <sbp> sbp has changed the topic to: "dicksacks for cars is only the beginnin'!"
18:54:10 <sbp> yeah...
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18:54:33 <Morbus> if you choose shadowsong, then we can say we both play on the same server.
18:54:37 <Morbus> ON DIFFERENT SIDES OF THE FUCKING WORLD>
18:54:39 <Morbus> <g>
18:54:39 <sbp> so the problem we have is that this particular emulator won't work on OS X, and it's out of date
18:54:47 <sbp> heh, heh
18:54:56 <Morbus> well, the emu-required patch for the client hasn't been made for os x.
18:55:10 <sbp> right, right
18:55:21 <Morbus> but, if you installed from scratch, manually updated to 1.8 official, then did the 1.9 emu, you should be able to connect to emu servers
18:55:23 <sbp> do you have no windows machines around at all?
18:55:28 <Morbus> at all, yes.
18:55:33 <Morbus> well, that's a lie.
18:55:37 <Morbus> but it's not usable for this.
18:55:41 <Morbus> it's like, ten years old.
18:55:42 <sbp> m'kay
18:55:44 <sbp> ouch
18:57:56 <Morbus> yeah. though, apparently, apple is not gonna be restricting windows installs on their new macs.
18:58:03 <Morbus> BUT, they don't use BIOS, they use EPI.
18:58:07 <Morbus> And Windows XP doesn't support EPI.
18:58:15 <Morbus> So I'd have to wait for Vista to come out before I could dualboot.
18:59:03 <sbp> * sbp smacks head
18:59:19 <Morbus> yeah.
18:59:24 <sbp> dual-booting Windows and OS [N]. what a strange future
19:00:27 <verbosus> sbp: do you work for Infogami now?
19:00:45 <Morbus> sbp: yeah. i'm actually kinda interested in seeing about virtual windows and vice versa.
19:00:55 <Morbus> so that i could start up an .exe natively on an intel box while running os x.
19:01:09 <verbosus> (I love these out of the blue, out of context, crap questions)
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19:02:48 <sbp> verbosus: nope, I don't
19:03:27 <sbp> do you?
19:03:54 <sbp> sbp has changed the topic to: <Todd> dicksacks for cars is only the beginnin'!
19:04:04 <sbp> much better
19:04:28 <verbosus> nay
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19:06:21 <sbp> I'm not even entirely sure what's going on with it
19:06:22 <sbp> I should ask
19:06:34 <Morbus> signifying nothing.
19:07:02 <sbp> hmm?
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19:19:09 <sbp> ah, http://apple.slashdot.org/apple/06/01/12/1525238.shtml
19:19:58 <sbp> hmm, Thunderbird 1.5
19:20:01 <sbp> wonder if it actually works
19:20:06 <Morbus> its the same thing as rc2.
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19:21:17 <sbp> but they might've fixed that bug that, you know, prevented me from using it
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19:24:52 <sbp> Morbus: http://www.nbc5.com/news/5985470/detail.html
19:24:54 <sbp> interesting thing
19:24:59 <sbp> reminds me of the smell
19:25:06 <sbp> perhaps that's from Indiana too
19:25:23 <Morbus> hmm. interesting indeed.
19:27:55 <Arnia> * Arnia waves
19:28:12 <sbp> hey Arnia
19:28:36 <Arnia> How art thou?
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19:29:52 <sbp> tired. you?
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19:31:02 <Arnia> Same... gave a presentation on cognitive web services this morning (yay) and have a long discussion with my supervisor tomorrow about papers to write
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19:46:43 <pjz> howdy all
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19:47:32 <pjz> I finally found the right way to admin a bunch of windows machines! They work great under vmware with all the useres that demand windows app connecting via rdp :)
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20:22:57 <Monty> hi verbosus, how ya doing?
20:23:00 <phenny> Monty: shh, don't let anyone know you're around!
20:23:02 <Monty> gremlins is Ann Widdecombe's and dental...?
20:23:35 <verbosus> I wished Monty phenny would just loop forever
20:23:37 <Monty> so does fink have nothing until Steve-day
20:23:51 <verbosus> Monty, yell something to phenny, please!
20:23:51 <Monty> Ittywhonk!
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20:26:36 <deltab> I wish MotleyBot would talk more
20:26:50 <MotleyBot> Talk to me -- i really would like to carry my bad english. Other day continue to talk.
20:27:11 <verbosus> MotleyBot: interact with Monty, please!
20:27:14 <deltab> deltab has changed the topic to: <Todd> dicksacks for cars is only the beginnin'! || <MotleyBot> Talk to me -- i really would like to carry my bad english. Other day continue to talk.
20:27:14 <Monty> they're about much more days off to want the battery
20:27:22 <MotleyBot> verbosus: Monty: 04:00z <supybot> tell monty to say hello to monty.
20:27:22 <Monty> How do you do. Please state your problem.
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20:45:57 <sbp> is there a more reliable way to tell you're in screen other than $TERM?
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20:46:19 <Morbus> whereami should return "in screen, dumbass"
20:46:23 <Morbus> little known easter egg
20:46:44 <sbp> yeah, that'd be good
20:46:53 <Morbus> that'd be better than good, that'd be awesome.
20:47:01 <sbp> awesam, in fact
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20:48:25 <jsled> sbp: specifically or generically? You could add something like 'SCREEN=1' to .screenrc
20:49:11 <sbp> my goal is to put something in my .shellrc that says 'if I'm using screen, alias exit="in screen, dumbass"'
20:49:21 <jsled> it also looks like $STY is set by screen.
20:49:26 <crschmidt> sbp: my @screen = stat($socket);
20:49:32 <sbp> (I can still use builtin exit to exit)
20:49:37 <crschmidt> from screen_away.pl for irssi
20:49:55 <crschmidt> and yes, $STY
20:50:17 <sbp> oh yeah, cool
20:50:27 <jsled> (except that's inherited by non-screen terminals started from screen...
20:50:28 <jsled> )
20:50:36 <sbp> oh my goodness
20:50:38 <sbp> this comes in pretty handy
20:50:45 <sbp> I just tried to exit out of my test session
20:50:56 <sbp> $ exit
20:50:56 <sbp> BAD. YOU ARE IN SCREEN
20:51:20 <sbp> didn't think it'd come in useful that quickly...
20:53:20 <Morbus> lol.
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20:55:00 <sbp> okay, trying this:
20:55:00 <sbp> if [[ ("$TERM" = 'screen') || (! -z "$STY) ]]
20:55:01 <sbp> then alias exit='BAD. YOU ARE IN SCREEN'
20:55:01 <sbp> fi
20:56:00 <sbp> hmm
20:56:19 <sbp> nano on athena does this really weird thing of adding a "~" whenever I do home/end
20:56:58 <sbp> doesn't do it in the shell though
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21:10:03 <sbp> neato:
21:10:04 <sbp> Here's a function that selects a random line from a file:
21:10:04 <sbp> % randline () {
21:10:04 <sbp> > integer z=$(wc -l <$1)
21:10:04 <sbp> > sed -n $[RANDOM % z + 1]p $1
21:10:04 <sbp> > }
21:10:09 <sbp> - http://zsh.sunsite.dk/Intro/intro_4.html
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21:55:03 <KragenSitaker> sbp: it's more challenging to do that while only reading the file once
22:05:54 <jsled> http://aspn.activestate.com/ASPN/Cookbook/Python/Recipe/59865
22:06:11 <sbp> yeah, that'd be fun to see
22:06:17 <sbp> probably impossible, no?
22:06:21 <KragenSitaker> nope
22:06:47 <sbp> * sbp looks at recipe 59865
22:07:24 <sbp> could do for i, line in enumerate(f)...
22:07:37 <KragenSitaker> and you should
22:09:33 <sbp> clever approach
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22:37:48 <deltab> sbp: the ~ is the last character of the control sequence sent by the key
22:38:09 <deltab> nano doesn't recognise the sequence
22:39:00 <sbp> thanks, I was wondering that but I couldn't figure out why it'd be any different on athena to, say, manxome
22:39:30 <sbp> any idea on how to fix it?
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22:44:16 <deltab> nano apparently uses terminfo
22:44:55 <deltab> change TERM to something whose terminfo definition includes those keys
22:45:05 <deltab> er, TERMINFO
22:46:12 <deltab> no, TERM is right
22:46:50 <deltab> though you can change TERMINFO to point to your own dir of terminfo definitions
22:49:57 <Morbus> phenny, tell sbp http://wowinsider.com/2006/01/11/european-mass-server-shutdown-sparks-tempers/
22:49:59 <phenny> Morbus: I'll pass that on when sbp is around.
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23:32:15 <sbp> deltab: many thanks. setting export TERM=rxvt worked
23:32:29 <sbp> though I dunno why it's okay on manxome with TERM=xterm
23:32:44 <deltab> definitions vary between systems
23:33:11 <deltab> especially for the very often used ones
23:33:43 <crschmidt> I haven't modified terminfo ever
23:33:45 <crschmidt> for the record
23:34:25 <sbp> following on from the earlier random line discussion:
23:34:26 <sbp> http://inamidst.com/code/randline.py
23:34:47 <sbp> it'd be nice if Python had try/except/elif and for/elif
23:35:49 <jsled> Supposedly in 2.5...
23:36:05 <sbp> really? cool. got a reference for that?
23:36:11 <jsled> Trying to recall...
23:36:14 <sbp> thanks
23:36:16 <crschmidt> i thought that was the merging of try/finally or something?
23:36:22 <crschmidt> jsled: check guido's blog?
23:36:28 <crschmidt> I think that's where i saw it, when you linked the other day
23:36:30 <jsled> yeah.
23:36:59 <jsled> http://www.artima.com/weblogs/viewpost.jsp?thread=143947 -> http://www.python.org/peps/pep-0341.html
23:38:01 <deltab> sbp: elif to do what?
23:38:41 <sbp> so instead of having to write:
23:38:43 <sbp> try: something
23:38:49 <sbp> except Whatever: cry
23:38:50 <sbp> else:
23:39:01 <sbp> if condition: kaboom
23:39:03 <deltab> is that something you do often?
23:39:05 <sbp> you could do:
23:39:08 <sbp> try: something...
23:39:08 <sbp> yeah
23:40:48 <sbp> I also think it's more consistent to treat try/except and for as though they're if-style conditionals, rather than have them be special in this way
23:41:18 <sbp> easier for beginners to learn, etc.
23:41:58 <deltab> for as a conditional?
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23:44:00 <sbp> yeah. if it breaks, then the else doesn't get triggered
23:44:08 <sbp> (same with while)
23:45:07 <sbp> it's handy if you're looping over something looking for a particular thing and want to raise an error or something if you don't find it
23:45:19 <sbp> for whatever in something:
23:45:24 <sbp> if meetsCondition(whatever):
23:45:31 <sbp> result = whatever
23:45:35 <sbp> break
23:45:43 <sbp> else: print "Couldn't find something that meets the condition"
23:46:12 <sbp> so if elif were allowed, that last line could be, for example...
23:46:16 <kpreid> "else" is a lousy keyword for that
23:46:17 <sbp> elif options.verbose:
23:46:18 <sbp> ...
23:46:27 <kpreid> they should have called it, say, "lastly"
23:46:37 <sbp> finally would be most pythonic
23:46:48 <sbp> but finally is already part of the try/except gamut
23:46:50 <kpreid> (but confusing with try/finally meaning)
23:46:53 <sbp> so that'd be conf... yeah
23:46:57 <deltab> no, else fits with its use in if statements
23:47:12 <jsled> Should make a language called iron, so that it's idioms can be ironic.
23:47:12 <kpreid> when I heard of for/else I assumed it would be "if there were 0 things to iterate over, do this"
23:47:20 <jsled> its, even.'
23:47:26 <deltab> it's an else that's been lifted out of the loop, to apply to all iterations
23:48:05 <kpreid> deltab: the confusing part is that it's not associated with the alternative branch, like the first branch of if/else
23:48:52 <bancus> jsled: there's an IronPython
23:49:04 <bancus> (Implementation of Python for the CLR)
23:49:07 <deltab> in sbp's example, if the else is connected with the if, it executes when the condition is false in every iteration
23:49:45 <deltab> by connecting it with the for, it's only executed when the condition is false in all iterations