00:02:07 <kpreid> deltab: I understand what it *does*
00:02:49 <kpreid> it just is confusing that the label "else" is used when the "if always false" nature is not *inherent to the for/else construct*
00:02:54 <deltab> yes, I see what you mean
00:03:11 <kpreid> * kpreid will quit grumbling about a language he doesn't know now.
00:03:14 <kpreid> s/know/use/
00:03:33 <deltab> it's making for/if into a composite
00:04:25 <sbp> it would be nice if the meaning were clearly specified
00:05:01 <sbp> I'd've done it by dropping something into global variable space
00:05:12 <sbp> for blargh: ...
00:05:18 <sbp> elif not broken: ...
00:05:26 <sbp> well, not in Python
00:05:47 <sbp> in a language where the user and program space were different
00:06:20 <sbp> then you could have a variable for having been broken out of, another for how many iterations were done, and so on
00:06:33 <sbp> perhaps a list of exceptions that were caught inside
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00:14:55 <sbp> .cp fleur.de.lis
00:14:58 <phenny> 269C: FLEUR-DE-LIS (⚜)
00:15:11 <sbp> kpreid: I'm going to try to throw a few of those into my next post
00:15:20 <sbp> I was a bit disappointed that I hadn't used them too
00:17:02 <kpreid> I was thinking of the "alt" of the image, actually :)
00:17:12 <sbp> ooh!
00:17:16 <sbp> I'll throw that in too
00:17:35 <kpreid> though
00:17:45 <sbp> too late. done
00:17:48 <kpreid> too bad no browser in the world will likely do the right thing with this:
00:18:22 <kpreid> <object data="fleur-de-lis.png"><object data="data:text/plain,⚜">\|/</object></object>
00:18:36 <sbp> wow, yeah
00:18:39 <sbp> that would be awesome
00:19:00 <sbp> (also too bad that XHTML doesn't have switch. choice, not echo!)
00:19:38 <sbp> man, the fleurs-de-lis don't display for me
00:19:53 <sbp> totally suck. can't believe they're not in at least one of my unicode fonts
00:19:59 <kpreid> the biggest problem with that construct is recognizing "no characters available" => "this fallback to next representation"
00:20:04 <kpreid> hey, I can't see 'em either
00:20:21 <sbp> yeah
00:20:33 <sbp> it'd be an interesting bug to file with Firefox
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00:20:50 <Monty> Speak of the devil, it's clsn!
00:21:03 <clsn> Hush, Monty.
00:21:03 <Monty> That is interesting. Please continue.
00:21:30 <clsn> Only a very brave person with a very open schedule asks me to keep talking.
00:22:01 <kpreid> Monty has an infinitely open schedule.
00:22:02 <Monty> sense of humour == Mozart;
00:22:44 <kpreid> Monty, that's not a very useful statement, as it has no side effects.
00:22:47 <Monty> We must accept that Aero the Acrobat moves quinquagenerian prison!
00:23:00 <sbp> Aero the Acrobat?
00:23:07 <sbp> .gc "Aero the Acrobat"
00:23:11 <phenny> "Aero the Acrobat": 59,700
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00:33:21 <sbp> http://miscoranda.com/158 ("Elif Outside Try, For, and While")
00:35:47 <clsn> I haven't really gotten into Python programming (yet). But the scoping by indentation is kinda neat.
00:40:06 <clsn> I've been eyeing your website, sbp, just to see what it's like and what it has, because I'm revamping mine for the first time in (mumble) years.
00:40:22 <sbp> neato
00:40:44 <sbp> * sbp heads over to web.meson.org
00:40:55 <clsn> Nothing new there yet...
00:40:57 <sbp> it's very jcowan in style at the moment
00:41:28 <kpreid> Nothing wrong with that!
00:42:05 <clsn> It's not even the style, it's the fact that it hasn't been brought up to date in years, and that it doesn't cover a tenth of my interests.
00:42:09 <jsled> Please to be leaving the font-family alone.
00:42:27 <sbp> kpreid: well, there is and there isn't. I was thinking about this a lot the other day: I was wondering about having a site which had only html and txt files in it, no images or CSS, and how that would do wonders to accessibility
00:42:44 <clsn> Thanks for the input, jsled!
00:42:49 <jsled> :)
00:43:15 <sbp> but one of the tenets I remember from my WAI activism days is that we're too textually conceited: illustrations and style and diagrams *improve* accessibility over the base rate when they're done right
00:43:26 <clsn> Firefox (at least) lets you turn off style, which sometimes is helpful when the style goes weird and starts showing me white text on white.
00:44:01 <sbp> we generally get put off either because they're normally used so badly, or because of the misapprehension that since, for example, blind people couldn't see a diagram and most people can't be assed to provide a decent textual alternative, then it's not worth putting it in at all
00:44:09 <sbp> the fallacy, perhaps
00:44:21 <sbp> at any rate, choosing a decent style and decent images is still bloody hard
00:44:36 <clsn> The various spifforama Web stuff can be neat--but annoying. I don't program JavaScript, or Flash, but I'm trying to use CSS and some PHP to make it workable.
00:44:50 <sbp> and recently, I've been leaning towards more and more spartan sites because I think I'm just impairing the site every time I use styles and images up the wazoo
00:45:44 <clsn> I watched this happen as the net grew from a teeny thing. I always made sites that were heavy on text, and actually very difficult to navigate in, because I didn't go for the flashiness. You have to find the right balance, as always.
00:45:54 <kpreid> * kpreid approves of Flash as a platform for games.
00:45:56 <clsn> s/net/web/
00:46:31 <clsn> Flash for games is brilliant, and for other online interactive doodads. It gets annoying when it's the main navigation (and content) on your site.
00:46:37 <kpreid> * kpreid nods.
00:46:50 <clsn> ('course, maybe if I could program it I'd feel differently. But I doubt it.)
00:47:39 <clsn> Flash certainly is well-supported, and the way it's implemented at least *seems* to be lighter-weight than Java applets.
00:47:48 <clsn> (maybe it really is, but what matters is what it looks like)
00:48:25 <sbp> it's a shame that the Yf Rgalin link has dropped off of the new page
00:48:56 <clsn> Everything has dropped off the new page, or more accurately hasn't been put there yet.
00:49:04 <clsn> Yf Rgalin will (probably) return.
00:49:14 <clsn> The menu isn't half the planned length yet, etc.
00:49:37 <sbp> aha
00:50:24 <sbp> I think I like the background colour thing
00:50:34 <sbp> it's very what's-his-namey
00:50:40 <sbp> Jorn Barger
00:50:57 <sbp> but I'm into coloured borders at the moment
00:51:09 <sbp> I guess I like contrast over tinting
00:51:20 <sbp> (possbily due to my low screen gamma)
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00:51:40 <kpreid> .g Yf Rgalin
00:51:44 <phenny> Yf Rgalin: http://web.meson.org/rgalin/
00:52:14 <sbp> I'd make the headings sans-serif, which I guess is a bit of a trait of mine: I remember AaronSw moaning at me once for having sans-serif headings and serif body text, saying it's inconsistent. but I think that sans-serif reads better at large font sizes
00:52:47 <kpreid> I do that myself, though I've forgotten why I chose to.
00:53:27 <clsn> I make the nav menu sans.
00:53:48 <sbp> a link to Gill Hebrew would be awesome
00:54:02 <clsn> I downloaded the newest FreeMind and started putting together a "mindmap" of the site, so I'd have an idea what's there and what goes where.
00:54:09 <sbp> the nav menu is sans? not for me
00:54:12 <clsn> Oh, there'll be a link. And maybe even a gallery of samples.
00:54:16 <sbp> awesome
00:55:13 <clsn> I started putting together PHP to generate the pages and keep them consistent... even wrote a perl script to translate an outline of the site, with indentation to show tree structure, into PHP statements to build the appropriate construction.
00:55:40 <clsn> Heh. Some astoundingly geeky stuff went on there... and if everything works right, nobody will notice it.
00:56:04 <sbp> I remember that DanC put together a site-crawler once that spits out an RDF graph of the whole site. I remember that AaronSw had something similar for his blogspace site, logicerror, and I fed the RDF into an RDF-to-SVG conversion service to get an overview of his website as an actual 2D graphical mesh
00:56:21 <sbp> awesome. are you going to release all the source and so on?
00:56:23 <clsn> I'm convincing myself that I should write about crap I know *even though* there always exist better sites by still more knowledgeable people.
00:56:31 <sbp> yeah
00:57:07 <clsn> If I'm not too embarrassed by it, maybe I'll make it available. Though it's hardly a sourceforge-project scale work.
00:58:11 <clsn> Tiki (I think) these days will show the pages as a graph of nodes with a Java applet of some sort.
00:58:50 <sbp> I often find that sort of "oh, I just did this because I had to do it and it's throw-away and not of value and you don't want to look at it!" thing really interesting to read
00:59:06 <sbp> because it's the sort of code that everybody churns out but very rarely compares notes on
00:59:44 <clsn> You're probably right; I do a lot of that kind of thing.
01:01:24 <clsn> Damn, where did I see a wiki of some sort with that 3D graph view?
01:03:03 <sbp> I wouldn't be surprised if ZWiki had something like that
01:03:18 <sbp> then again, prolly not in Java :-)
01:04:34 <clsn> Maybe it wasn't in Java; like I remember? :0
01:09:32 <clsn> Oh, they're telling me on #lojban that the Lojban wiki has it, running tiki. Now if I can find how to get to it...
01:15:02 <bancus> I am baffled.
01:15:18 <bancus> Calls to my office phone (voip hosted on my asterisk), result in a modem.
01:15:26 <jsled> heh.
01:15:38 <bancus> If I call out to the other phone, then star-69 back, I get a busy signal.
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01:33:14 <clsn> (dammit, my X windows is in that bizarre state where it (a) won't run acroread, and (b) makes emacs crash when I use C-k to erase a line. No idea how that works)
01:47:50 <kpreid> Random thought:
01:48:08 <kpreid> jcowan once said:
01:48:08 <kpreid> [[[
01:48:26 <kpreid> ... The only problem with this approach is the following too-often-repeated dialogue:
01:48:29 <kpreid> Me: We can provide you with news in HTML.
01:48:31 <kpreid> Hapless Customer: Don't you have XML?
01:48:34 <kpreid> Me: Our HTML news is well-formed XML. [It would be valid, but there is no DOCTYPE declaration, to prevent hammering on the DTD on our web server.]
01:48:37 <kpreid> HC: But we want XML, not HTML!
01:48:39 <kpreid> Me: As I say, our HTML news is well-formed XML. [Noch einmal]
01:48:42 <kpreid> ]]]
01:48:48 <kpreid> It occurred to me that this is in some sense the inverse of another XML-misunderstanding-problem:
01:49:35 <kpreid> "We supply our data in XML." "Yes, but what vocabulary/namespace/schema?"
01:50:06 <sbp> the misunderstanding being with person one, I presume?
01:50:52 <deltab> bancus: fax machine?
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01:52:03 <bancus> deltab: nope
01:52:10 <bancus> the fax machine is on a separate line
01:52:10 <deltab> clsn: does it happen if you press C-k in other contexts?
01:53:10 <clsn> Nope. I can use it to erase a line in bash in a shell, and for that matter my workaround is to fire up an xterm running emacs -nw
01:55:05 <kpreid> sbp: yes
01:55:24 <sbp> phew, then I understand
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01:56:14 <sbp> of course, XML does give you structure. there aren't really many other interchange formats that do XML-like things but are better but are as widespread
01:56:40 <sbp> I remember that someone, zooko I think, had made an acknowledgements file for some project that he did
01:56:46 <sbp> and he invented his own format to mark it up
01:56:48 <sbp> it was like:
01:56:51 <sbp> N: Person's Name
01:56:57 <sbp> E: email@address.tld
01:57:01 <sbp> C: some comment here
01:57:11 <sbp> with blank lines separating the entries
01:57:24 <clsn> Sometimes you just do what works.
01:57:26 <sbp> and at the top there was a "#" commented out line that explained he'd just marked it up for easy machine parsing
01:57:43 <sbp> right. but that sort of thing only really works for fairly non-complex data
01:58:14 <sbp> once you get to almost any level of complexity beyond the key value stage, once you want to do nesting especially, you're just inevitably going to end up reinventing XML
01:58:44 <kpreid> sbp: there was an amusing argument on #cia about this just recently
01:59:08 <kpreid> <random_user> I want to generate CIA messages but I don't like XML. What else can I use.
01:59:09 <sbp> so an XML document that doesn't actually use any existing vocabulary and is completely contrived mightn't be as useful as it could be, but it might also just work--depending on the application--a bit like zooko's acknowledgements thing
01:59:18 <sbp> CIA?
01:59:34 <bancus> yaaaaaay
01:59:36 <bancus> debian
01:59:39 <kpreid> <developer> Well, there's <old format>, but don't use that. Besides, you don't have to parse XML, just generate it.
01:59:54 <kpreid> <random_user> But I don't like XML, and I want to use CIA
01:59:56 <bancus> move the sound files from /var/lib to /usr/share, and then leave the /usr/share/asterisk directory owned by root!
01:59:57 <kpreid> etc. etc. etc.
02:00:01 <sbp> ah, "CIA Open Source Notification System"
02:00:02 <kpreid> sbp: http://cia.navi.cx/
02:00:09 <bancus> so that the default record command can't work!
02:00:11 <bancus> good call!
02:00:28 <bancus> no wonder the asterisk people advise installing asterisk from source yourself
02:04:13 <sbp> I suppose random_user might've been worried about how much parsing overhead there is in an XML parser? I liked the XML-SkunkWorks thing that Bray did ages ago (http://www.textuality.com/xml/xmlSW.html) that tried to address that sort of thing
02:05:16 <kpreid> they said
02:05:18 <kpreid> [[[
02:05:30 <kpreid> XML breeds hideous amounts of complexity, and I find that morally wrong
02:05:30 <kpreid> and we don't have any XML parsers in Plan 9, they are all too hideously huge and ugly
02:05:33 <kpreid> (I know I don't need to be able to parse XML to generate XML, but still dislike it)
02:05:40 <kpreid> ]]]
02:05:49 <sbp> there are lots of these little changes that could be done to facilitate XML being less shitty. lots of conversations about external entities, and doing <e:eacute/> and so on. even in the child technologies such as XSLT; I'd really like an SLT
02:06:06 <sbp> heh, there we go
02:06:16 <sbp> that's what random_user said? awesome
02:06:20 <deltab> bancus: I suppose we need a system of annotating files and directories with their uses and requirement, and a program that beats that into the heads of Debian maintainers
02:06:30 <sbp> hehe
02:07:54 <sbp> oddly enough, I also find the unicode stuff in 1.0 a bit crazy. I understand why it was done, but it's still an absolute programmatical mess
02:08:24 <sbp> it makes writing a well-formedness checking XML parser a nightmare
02:08:39 <sbp> well, non-trivial, at any rate, and it should be trivial
02:10:04 <sbp> heh, I suddenly got a flashback to The Hook
02:10:21 <sbp> Rick Jelliffe's "one element schema language"
02:10:58 <sbp> basically it was back in the pre-RELAX NG days, and occasionally someone would propose something that was less hideous than W3C XML Schema (which is, of course, not a difficult thing to do)
02:11:35 <sbp> Jelliffe's idea was to have one wrapper element and then put a kind of non-XML schema format, like a precursor to the RELAX NG Compact syntax, inside the element
02:12:04 <sbp> because it had that one XML element on the outside, it was considered XML, and it was received quite well, though admittedly nobody ever took it up and implemented it as far as I know
02:12:13 <pjz> deltab: there was some pkg managment system that was like debian but could set up triggers that would go off for files that were installed in certain dirs.
02:12:46 <sbp> some time later, I wrote a proposal for an XML/RDF replacement that had some of the same properties: it used XML where it needed to use XML, and where it didn't it used a non-XML format sort of based on Notation3
02:12:55 <deltab> "Warning: package modified by Debian maintainers"
02:13:05 <jsled> heh.
02:13:12 <sbp> but that was absolutely canned, though the principle was no different from Jelliffe's Hook
02:15:01 <sbp> * sbp looks back over it
02:15:10 <sbp> hmm, I guess the QNames in element content didn't help matters
02:15:23 <sbp> people freak out enough when you use them as attribute values...
02:16:12 <sbp> though surely any event-driven XML parser worth its salt will be able to tell you what namespaces are declared in a given context, even element content
02:16:31 <sbp> it was certainly possible with the default xml.sax stuff in Python, so I guess it's part of the SAX interface overall
02:21:18 <sbp> doesn't help that the name sucked, too
02:21:36 <sbp> "XML Enriched N-Triples" is pretty good, but the acronym, "XENT", is horrible
02:22:11 <sbp> I was talking to someone today about project names being vitally important, and they didn't agree, but I think there are at least cases where it's very much proven to be so
02:22:18 <sbp> for example, the Marathon -> Snickers thing in the UK
02:22:36 <sbp> the Snickers bar used to be called Marathon, but back in 1990 they decided to change it to use the international name of the bar
02:23:03 <sbp> that caused an absolute riot in the UK. people said that the new name sounded too much like "knickers" to the British ear, that it was silly, that the name shouldn't be changed
02:23:11 <sbp> boycott the bar! boycott the bar!
02:23:18 <sbp> but actually sales went up dramatically
02:23:30 <sbp> I suspect partly due to the publicity too
02:23:49 <pjz> savings in the marketing budget too
02:24:17 <sbp> how would that affect sales, though? are you saying that they would've ploughed the savings back into improving the quality of the bar? I doubt it
02:24:47 <pjz> more bang for the marketing $ since it can be used in multiple places
02:24:54 <sbp> hmm. perhaps XE N-Triples would've been a better abbreviation, a la RELAX NG
02:25:04 <pjz> hence better marketing for the same $
02:25:09 <sbp> ah, gotcha
02:25:12 <pjz> possibly resulting in better sale
02:25:13 <pjz> s
02:25:25 <sbp> having said that, adverts that work in the US don't tend to work in the UK and vice versa
02:25:45 <deltab> sbp: prepend A
02:25:45 <pjz> true
02:26:42 <sbp> there's one US <-> France example that springs to mind where a French cheese commercial showing cheese as a very seductive glorious thing was shown in the US and totally panned because in France cheese is more of a living breathing thing whereas in the US it's basically dead (story via jilldaw)
02:26:42 <deltab> even more true of European ads
02:26:43 <pjz> hrm, I guess maybe some packaging savings too... don't have to do twice as many graphics
02:26:46 <sbp> deltab: ooh, that's an idea
02:26:51 <sbp> An XML Enriched N-Triples
02:26:59 <sbp> AXENT. Axent
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02:46:04 <Monty> hi chimezie
02:47:18 <bancus> deltab: yeah, well, they're almost right
02:47:28 <bancus> it is a library of sounds for the use of the application
02:47:37 <bancus> but it's also the directory where Record()ed sounds go
02:47:45 <bancus> and the only directory that can be used with Playback()
02:47:49 <bancus> (although you can record to anywhere)
02:47:59 <bancus> (you just can't playback from anywhere)
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02:52:40 <kpreid> phenny: tell jcowan http://swhack.com/logs/2006-01-13#T01-48-48
02:52:43 <phenny> kpreid: I'll pass that on when jcowan is around.
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02:56:17 <Monty> hey bear42
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04:50:35 <Monty> hey jetscreamer
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04:54:21 <deltab> Monty, talk to MotleyBot
04:54:28 <Monty> gah, Monty won't run 'phpize', which one in your SIP not being accessed by Google doesn't cover a concise explanation appreciated
04:54:33 <MotleyBot> What? Motleybot is a combination of all people we think are a lot of motleybot a motleybot?
04:57:30 <jetscreamer> \o/
04:58:31 <deltab> jetscreamer is a lot of MotleyBot
04:58:38 <MotleyBot> Is motleybot a lot.
04:58:51 <deltab> yes, MotleyBot is a lot.
04:58:58 <MotleyBot> Is motleybot a lot.
04:59:15 <bjoern_> Does MotleyBot object to proper use of question marks?
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04:59:37 <MotleyBot> Playing with a apb and what to use python again, in practice for making starim - gui features for creature, but i do not accidentally put lipstick on the question is a cmf root object.
05:00:22 <bjoern_> MotleyBot, I heard Monty uses lipstick a lot.
05:00:22 <Monty> tired. you?
05:00:31 <bjoern_> I'm fine Monty...
05:00:33 <Monty> based off style, it's no biggie
05:00:35 <MotleyBot> bjoern_: Couldn't you do not accidentally put lipstick on the peergroup-filter one uses.
05:01:10 <bjoern_> Well MotleyBot, I could but I don't. Monty recommends against it too.
05:01:10 <Monty> (also too upset
05:01:21 <MotleyBot> Monty: you know motleybot that he is when he gets to me monty.
05:01:22 <Monty> You like to think I know motleybot that he is when he gets to you -- don't you ?
05:01:23 <bjoern_> What makes you so angry Monty?
05:01:24 <Monty> A MAC FANBOY! I AM A plane?
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07:03:55 <sbp> kaboom
07:03:56 <sbp> off to bed
07:03:59 <sbp> 'night all
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08:09:02 <Monty> howdy, sounders
08:09:48 <sounders> good morning.
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14:00:29 <Monty> bah, it's verbosus again
14:01:12 <verbosus> yo Monty, good afternoon to you too
14:01:14 <Monty> That's good curry tonight :)
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14:51:18 <jsled> http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=5378
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16:36:01 <nsh> Monty, hypnopompic
16:36:02 <Monty> Ha.
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16:55:03 <Morbus> phenny, tell sbp http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/navy-seals-video/
16:55:05 <phenny> Morbus: I'll pass that on when sbp is around.
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17:28:00 <Monty> howdy, rich_holygoat
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19:06:37 <ows> are there some SW plugins to use in firefox?
19:16:13 <madewokherd> SW plugins?
19:16:26 <madewokherd> what is SW?
19:16:45 <BeHappy_> software, usually
19:16:56 <BeHappy_> but plugins are already softwares, so..
19:17:30 <kpreid> ows means Semantic Web.
19:18:10 <ows> yeah
19:18:16 <ows> ;)
19:19:14 <Morbus> yeah,
19:19:18 <Morbus> there's one or two.
19:19:20 <Morbus> lemme find it.
19:19:57 <Morbus> http://simile.mit.edu/piggy-bank/
19:20:11 <Morbus> there are a few others, but i can't find em.
19:20:15 <Morbus> pb is one of the better ones though.
19:20:19 <Morbus> i think there's an annotea one too.
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19:24:56 <ows> Morbus: I know
19:25:01 <ows> I've to read 'bout PB
19:25:07 <ows> tkx
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19:25:17 <ows> well, cya fellows
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19:33:38 <jsled> Hmm. that's annyoning. Evolution has decided that I'm bored with left-to-right, and would like to try writing right-to-left for a while.
19:34:14 <jilldaw> You were in a rut. It's time for a change.
19:34:48 <jsled> Hmm. It seems to be a function of replying to a bloglines "email this to..." message. Weird.
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19:38:02 <crschmidt> .rate media lab
19:38:13 <phenny> "media lab": 80.43% (7 rocks; 30 rules; 1 sucks; 8 blows)
19:42:30 <bjoern_> .rate MotleyBot without Monty
19:42:32 <Monty> smacks addressing digital farts.
19:42:37 <phenny> "MotleyBot without Monty": 50.0% (0 rocks; 0 rules; 0 sucks; 0 blows)
19:42:38 <Monty> installs empirical tearful Win2k.
19:42:41 <MotleyBot> Monty, talk to motleybot, who sometimes makes more sense than monty.
19:42:42 <Monty> later guys
19:42:47 <MotleyBot> Monty: motleybot was lost without monty.
19:42:51 <Monty> handsome Zelda escape-capsule tickles talking XFree86 and microscopic ticklish onomastics?
19:44:28 <bjoern_> Monty, I don't think MotleyBot has a talking XFree86.
19:44:29 <Monty> learning where nobody ever
19:44:36 <MotleyBot> Think you can easily define new verbs by talking.
19:45:23 <bjoern_> MotleyBot, but how could you define /old/ verbs easily? Maybe Monty knows?
19:45:25 <Monty> spiffy == scopophobia;
19:45:29 <MotleyBot> bjoern_: Verbs can be too old?
19:45:41 <bjoern_> That ain't verbs Monty.
19:45:41 <Monty> 'lo matt
19:45:55 <bjoern_> MotleyBot, excellent question, I have no idea!
19:46:14 <MotleyBot> bjoern_: I dont think so; havent talk to me -- i really would like to get in touch with you on the question is a good idea.
19:47:12 <bjoern_> MotleyBot, err, better get "in touch" with Monty. Or teddybot.
19:47:14 <Monty> (somebody has it, but yeah, dunno why some
19:47:16 <bjoern_> @karma
19:47:18 <supybot> bjoern_: Highest karma: "sbp" (19), "monty" (8), and "crschmidt" (8). Lowest karma: "supybot" (-37), "sh1mmer" (-24), and "c++" (-2). You (bjoern_) are ranked 6 out of 122.
19:47:18 <Monty> URL
19:47:23 <MotleyBot> bjoern_: Monty: 04:00z <supybot> tell monty to say hello to monty.
19:47:23 <Monty> 1 rev old
19:49:55 <bjoern_> .gc Hendiadioyn
19:49:58 <phenny> Hendiadioyn: 213
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20:03:35 <jsled> phenny, tell sbp that http://www.python.org/dev/doc/devel/whatsnew/whatsnew25.html doesn't seem to list the try/catch/finally changes...
20:03:37 <phenny> jsled: I'll pass that on when sbp is around.
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20:35:33 <Morbus> enter shit storm: http://drupal.org/node/44578
20:35:46 <Morbus> and yet another "Morbus is a very helpful chap, but with a sense of humour that apparently isn't for everybody :)"
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20:59:10 <jilldaw> Nonsense!
20:59:15 <jilldaw> The Morbus is universal!
21:01:58 <nsh> Monty, the rein of a thousand anvils!
21:01:59 <Monty> man whores
21:02:26 <nsh> Monty, you're way too snappy and monosyllabic with me recently.
21:02:28 <Monty> remember him has dropped off
21:03:12 <nsh> hmmm
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21:18:52 <jsled> Monty: how can it already be nearly 4:30?
21:18:57 <Monty> <d8uv> <tell dudeWho="sucks" dude="Morbus">shut up even entirely sure haven't really start up to learn, etc.
21:19:14 <jsled> learn faster, monty.
21:19:14 <Monty> tkx
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21:46:19 <Monty> lo zool
21:46:28 <zool> hi Monty. how's the crack?
21:46:32 <Monty> you'll also looks a Mac - http://arstechnica.com/journals/apple.ars/2006/1/10/2436
21:47:19 <nsh> Monty, you've got to get that monkey off your back!
21:47:21 <Monty> impotent hamsters snogs dangerous Microsoft Word?!
21:47:51 <nsh> what's that all about anyway? (i've gotta get that monkey off my back)
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21:56:19 <bancus> crschmidt: ping
21:57:47 <nsh> heroin reference, it seems
22:02:07 <tonybaloney> * tonybaloney is in a good mood- his computer hasn't crashed yet
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22:19:33 <BigJibby> MotleyBot!
22:19:36 <MotleyBot> BigJibby: So tell me something already.
22:20:19 <BigJibby> MotleyBot, no.
22:20:32 <MotleyBot> BigJibby: Yes btrc i am usually thinking of doing an initial demo on next wednesday (23rd) to k2a.
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22:49:29 <deltab> jsled: it's not been completely implemented yet, it seems
22:49:44 <jsled> ah.
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