00:00:12 <bjoern_> <?FATALITY?>
00:00:15 <kandinski> also; I am currently using an IFRAME in a server where I don't have SSI or similar, so Frames are god
00:00:20 <jsled> #fatality { border: dripping thick blood-red; }
00:00:47 <kandinski> FATALITY! is what some videogames call a total KO with death of the adversary
00:00:57 <bjoern_> spine-collapse:?
00:01:49 <shawnb> I think all fatality properties require quotes if they include spaces
00:02:32 <shawnb> ah, mis-read that
00:02:35 <shawnb> * shawnb recants
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00:02:44 <Monty> hey schepers_
00:04:08 <bancus> a "Fatality" was a finishing move from the video game mortal kombat.
00:04:36 <bancus> At the end of your second victory over the enemy, you were given like 5 seconds do do a particular sequence, which was particular to the character you were playing.
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00:05:19 <bancus> In MK2, they added weird shit like Babilities (turning your enemy into a baby), animalities (turning into an animal to gore your opponant), and Friendships (which involved lots of hugging and rainbows)
00:05:33 <kandinski> fuck
00:05:42 <kandinski> that must have hurt
00:06:25 <bjoern_> .pc +
00:06:28 <phenny> 002B: PLUS SIGN (+)
00:06:29 <jsled> rainbows generally do.
00:06:38 <bancus> Just ask Cartman.
00:08:01 <bancus> [[[
00:08:02 <bancus> Stan: Yeah. What's there to hate about rainbows?
00:08:02 <bancus> Cartman: Well, you know. You'll just be sitting there, minding your own business, and they'll come marching in, and crawl up your leg, and start biting the inside of your ass, and you'll be all like, 'Hey. Get out of my ass you stupid rainbows.'
00:08:07 <bancus> Stan: Cartman, what the hell are you talking about?
00:08:09 <bancus> Cartman: I'm talking about rainbows. I hate those friggin' things.
00:08:12 <bancus> Kyle: Rainbows are those little arches of color that show up after a rainstorm.
00:08:13 <bancus> ]]] -- An early South Park Episode
00:08:15 <bancus> Cartman: Oh. RainBOWS. Yeah, I like those. Those are cool.
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00:27:33 <JibberJim> what?
00:28:20 <JibberJim> "The UK is ready for a leader who's had homosexual relationship but not one that's been disengenous" ??? have they been asleep for all Blairs rule?
00:28:41 <bancus> Is Blair gay?
00:29:01 <mumbles-scouts> possabley bancus
00:29:04 <mumbles-scouts> mumbles-scouts is now known as mumbles
00:29:12 <Arnia> JibberJim: Where was that?
00:29:24 <bjoern_> @google fight "blair is gay" "blair is not gay"
00:29:26 <JibberJim> Radio 4 newspaper review, I think it was the Times.
00:29:29 <supybot> bjoern_: blair is not gay: 427000, blair is gay: 263000
00:29:36 <bjoern_> tough call
00:29:50 <mumbles> i think some google bashing is in order here
00:30:23 <bjoern_> .gc "Blair is not gay"
00:30:23 <bjoern_> .gc "Blair is gay"
00:30:26 <phenny> "Blair is not gay": 22
00:30:29 <phenny> "Blair is gay": 788
00:30:40 <bjoern_> Monty, calc 22/788
00:30:41 <Monty> bjoern_: 0.027918781725888325
00:30:57 <Arnia> JibberJim: I still think Lembit Opik's comment was the best
00:31:16 <bjoern_> Monty, countdown
00:31:16 <Monty> One large one and five small numbers: 25, 3, 6, 8, 2, 7. Your target is 657. You have thirty seconds, tick, tock, tick, tock...
00:31:28 <bjoern_> Monty, calc 8*7*25
00:31:29 <Monty> bjoern_: 1400
00:31:35 <bjoern_> Monty, calc 8*7*25 / 3
00:31:36 <Monty> bjoern_: 466.6666666666667
00:31:46 <Monty> Duh dum, duh dum, duh-da-da-dum! Your 30 seconds are up!
00:31:47 <bjoern_> Monty, calc 6*7*25 / 2
00:31:48 <Monty> I found a solution in approximately 22 milliseconds. I found all 41 solutions in about 233 milliseconds.
00:31:49 <Monty> ibot (3*8 + 2)*25 + 7
00:31:51 <Monty> bjoern_: 525
00:31:54 <bjoern_> oh well
00:31:58 <bjoern_> Monty, paper
00:31:58 <Monty> I chose paper - Draw!
00:32:06 <bjoern_> Monty, scissors
00:32:06 <Monty> I chose scissors - Draw!
00:32:14 <bjoern_> Monty, stone
00:32:14 <Monty> I chose paper - I win! :o)
00:32:21 <bjoern_> Monty tricked me!
00:32:33 <Monty> yellowtail isn't there to borrow a bare living gained by God and infect five have built my server when an essay, it mentions "my column" - disabled the details abstractly, since it's just specific 2nd level examples? no results
00:32:51 <JibberJim> which lembit comment arnia?
00:33:32 <Arnia> JibberJim: To paraphrase "This is a rather boring story. It is just confirming what many had suspected for some time"
00:33:51 <bjoern_> there is http://www.blairIsGay.com even.
00:34:33 <JibberJim> If that's not proof what is bjoern_?
00:34:48 <bjoern_> how about http://www.bettybowers.com/isbushgay.html ?
00:34:52 <Arnia> * Arnia points to Blair's children
00:35:13 <Arnia> He's had a lot for someone who is gay
00:35:44 <JibberJim> The lengths politicians go to to have a private life hey!
00:36:06 <JibberJim> Although given her strong catholicism, you could suggest just 4 drunken interludes...
00:36:18 <bjoern_> ha, http://mindprod.com/politics/bushismsgay.html
00:37:07 <bjoern_> 'Bush has unusually close personal relationship with Tony Blair, the Prime Minister of Britain, ...'
00:37:30 <bjoern_> hahaha http://mindprod.com/images/bushboinkingdog.jpg
00:37:59 <bjoern_> ha, http://mindprod.com/images/bushbald.jpg
00:38:08 <bjoern_> this is great
00:38:25 <Arnia> "his gay past" -- BBC News front page referinng to Simon Hughes
00:38:28 <JibberJim> use of the word fabulous
00:38:30 <Arnia> Makes it sound like a cult
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01:11:16 <thelsdj> oh this is classic
01:11:18 <phenny> thelsdj: 26 Jan 19:58Z <JibberJim> tell thelsdj assasins Odyss3us is next...
01:11:35 <thelsdj> just got a phishing email (atleast i think it is, too much html) but it has PHP code in it
01:12:02 <thelsdj> full of php code
01:13:43 <thelsdj> http://thelsdj.org/phpspam.txt
01:14:18 <bjoern_> maybe it works with some web mail clients?
01:14:54 <thelsdj> no, my guess is someone found a script to send spams, and thought they were supposed to send the script
01:15:39 <bjoern_> so PHP might have its roots in some chain letter...
01:18:24 <bjoern_> .gc "smoking toooooo much PHP spam"
01:18:27 <phenny> "smoking toooooo much PHP spam": 7
01:19:18 <kpreid> @google fight "too much spam" "not enough spam"
01:19:22 <supybot> kpreid: too much spam: 3310000, not enough spam: 1570000
01:19:36 <bjoern_> they could make a deal
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02:38:23 <deltab> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=175283&cid=14573473
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02:42:50 <deltab> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=175295&cid=14574319
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04:18:53 <crschmidt> whoa
04:18:55 <crschmidt> Schuyler: is here
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04:22:46 <jcowan> Ittywhonk!
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05:35:18 <sbp> he is?
05:35:21 <sbp> wow, he is. hi Schuyler
05:35:28 <sbp> and yo jcowan, crschmidt
05:35:42 <crschmidt> morning sbp
05:52:17 <jcowan> Hey, sbp, crschmidt .
05:56:39 <jcowan> Ittywhonk!
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06:04:26 <kandinski> hi to teh pippol
06:19:28 <Arnia> * Arnia boings
07:10:23 <Mike_L> I wonder if I should apply for an intership at fogcreek
07:13:34 <kandinski> for the Business one or the coding ones?
07:13:49 <kandinski> I read about the managerial one and it did sound sane at least
07:15:36 <Mike_L> orbitz: coding
07:17:34 <Mike_L> kandinski: coding
07:18:27 <Mike_L> http://pastebin.com/525260 <-- erlang prng seed func :)
07:20:24 <Mike_L> i guess they have chosen somebody for the managerial internship because it's no longer listed
07:23:57 <kandinski> Joel seems a smart guy
07:24:40 <Mike_L> I would learn a lot
07:25:15 <Mike_L> the only problem is that I am scheduled to take my last class and do a research project in summer before graduating
07:25:53 <Mike_L> so an internship would mean putting off graduation until December... unless I could somehow get research credit for my work and test out of the class
07:26:18 <kandinski> wgat about doing it *after* graduation?
07:26:19 <Mike_L> I could probably study hard and test out of the class in May
07:26:29 <kandinski> if that is not really stupid, I mean
07:27:03 <Mike_L> yeah, that would be better, if they are accepting interns or hiring for August
07:28:08 <Mike_L> but it would be much more fun to internship over the summer and get my class out of the way early :)
07:28:15 <Mike_L> s/internship/intern
07:28:56 <Mike_L> I hear that Joel uses C++
07:30:35 <Mike_L> wtf... hamas wins control of palestinian parliament
07:31:12 <kandinski> well, that is what you get when you bomb people and then give them the vote
07:31:40 <Mike_L> yeah, and support their corrupt leaders/exploiters
07:34:33 <Arnia> Or possibly they actually won a popular vote
07:35:56 <Mike_L> maybe Hamas can get rid of the corruption, so life may get better for palestinians
07:37:04 <Mike_L> but probably it won't
07:38:34 <Mike_L> hmm maybe it's not good to read about palestine/israel at 1:40am
07:41:31 <Mike_L> "" Japan hailed the successful holding of elections as "an important step toward building a democratic Palestinian state" but also said it expects the Palestinian Authority "to control the extremists" and work for peace.""
07:43:10 <Arnia> Why can't war be a natural state for a country? What if the population itself supports 'terrorism'?
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07:44:05 <Mike_L> because people suffer?
07:46:00 <Arnia> *Other* people suffer. The notion that this is bad is incredibly recent and particularly Western. That doesn't mean it is good, or bad, just that it is :)
07:46:26 <Mike_L> Israel blows up stuff in Palestine and the rest of the world donates money for reconstruction, but the US blows up stuff in Iraq and the US has to spend the $100B on reconstruction
07:47:41 <Arnia> I spend a lot of my time thinking about unstated assumptions as part of my research. It tends to be a way of looking at the world which sticks and applies itself to everything
07:47:47 <Mike_L> maybe if Israel had to pay for the shit they blow up then they would be less inclined to send their military in retaliation for Hamas bombs
07:48:15 <Arnia> Mind you, I'm also not the biggest fan of 'democracy' as a means of government
07:48:33 <sbp> "Recently, Jick has begun to offer a new gift as a reward for a donation of exactly $10 Canadian sent via Mail: an in-game item called a Mr. Eh?. The Mr. Eh? is a slightly weaker Canadianized version of the Mr. Accessory, and cannot be similarly traded for other in-game items. The reason for the weaker effect is that Canadian dollars are worth less than American dollars." - Wikipedia, KoL
07:48:34 <Mike_L> and then there would be fewer Hamas bombs... and less blowing up of the houses and businesses of desperate people
07:48:59 <Mike_L> sbp: haha
07:51:53 <Mike_L> time to sleep :)
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10:03:16 <sbp> hooray, my broadband speed got increased
10:03:23 <libby> yay!
10:03:28 <sbp> now I can download at normal people rates. 100KB/sec
10:03:41 <sbp> * sbp waves
10:03:50 <libby> * libby waves back
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10:04:09 <sbp> how goes it, libby?
10:04:31 <libby> not bad thanks :)
10:04:49 <libby> * libby was just feeling guity about the rdf calendaring page but no time to make it better now
10:04:53 <libby> how you?
10:04:57 <JibberJim> but can you upload sbp?
10:05:02 <JibberJim> I want upload speeds better!
10:05:07 <JibberJim> give me better upload speeds
10:05:17 <libby> * libby too
10:05:19 <sbp> yeah, better upload would be nice. I haven't tested the rate; I don't normally pay much attention to it
10:05:43 <sbp> I'm not too bad, thanks (compared to yesterday, which was ass)
10:05:45 <JibberJim> I bet it's only 256
10:06:01 <sbp> only 256?
10:06:03 <sbp> oh, for you?
10:06:05 <libby> ass for any reason, or just an ass-y day?
10:07:38 <sbp> not sure what reason exactly, but dizzy, aching, feeling pretty weird
10:07:49 <sbp> * sbp is trying to relax a lot more today
10:08:29 <libby> aw :(
10:08:36 <libby> maybe it was the lurgy :(
10:08:41 <sbp> * sbp tries out Directory Opus
10:08:43 <sbp> (http://www.gpsoft.com.au/)
10:08:46 <sbp> heh, heh. yeah, maybe
10:09:01 <sbp> my thoat was, and is, feeling kinda odd so I think it might be a virusy thing
10:09:03 <sbp> but iuno
10:09:13 <sbp> as long as it goes away soon plz thx...
10:09:18 <libby> :)
10:10:21 <libby> on a lighter note, I got a recordable doorbell, and damian's rerecorded it so I don;t know what it sounds like and so I'll likely to keep running down 3 flights of stairs periodically, as it can be any noise
10:10:31 <libby> or I could just find out how to test it
10:10:47 <libby> * libby now seeing that recordable doorbell not the great idea I thought it was
10:11:19 <sbp> hehehe
10:11:34 <sbp> what noise did you put on it?
10:12:04 <libby> a phththththrp noise
10:12:13 <libby> but I was gonna put some more throught into it
10:13:30 <sbp> yeah, right :-)
10:13:51 <sbp> they might as well just sell phththththrp doorbells, really
10:14:28 <libby> true
10:14:55 <libby> the other problem is that people think it's not working because they can't hear any 'bing-bong'
10:15:08 <libby> and people get disheartened so easily I find
10:15:43 <sbp> perhaps you could record a panoply of noises on it?
10:15:54 <sbp> how long is the media?
10:16:09 <libby> not tested it really, got distracted by a shiny thing
10:16:14 <sbp> hehe
10:16:17 <libby> * libby goes to have a look
10:16:29 <JibberJim> Why not record it to say "Yes, yes I'm coming"
10:16:44 <JibberJim> then the person outside will know you're coming to answer it and won't go away.
10:16:58 <sbp> ooh, good idea. unless you're not in
10:17:03 <JibberJim> it'll have the added bonus that if you're out, the people will wait until you get back!
10:17:08 <sbp> in which case they'll just stand at the door forever out of politeness
10:17:15 <sbp> heh, heh. okay, point
10:17:52 <JibberJim> If you're going away for a few nights in mid-winter, provide a stack of blankets and food rations by the front foor.
10:17:53 <libby> 10 sec
10:18:00 <libby> hehe
10:18:02 <libby> nice
10:18:59 <sbp> with a big sign: "YOU MAY ONLY STEAL MY FOOD IF YOU RING MY BELL FIRST. ER, WAIT"
10:19:28 <libby> hehe
10:21:54 <JibberJim> No, put it in a combination padlocked box, and include the combination in the doorbell answer noise!
10:22:12 <JibberJim> "I'm coming, I'm coming, if you're hungry the combination is 7123"
10:25:06 <libby> * libby snorts
10:25:12 <libby> ok I'll go with that then
10:26:04 <JibberJim> Good, we've solved that problem, what's next?
10:28:34 <sbp> JibberJim: world poverty, or what to do about the future of HTML (5/X2/etc.)
10:29:50 <JibberJim> let's focus on the easy ones involving silly doorbells hey?
10:31:01 <sbp> okay. what doorbell should a cow have?
10:32:31 <JibberJim> That depends on the building they live in.
10:32:49 <JibberJim> the doorbell is very much a function of the property with the owner only a minor part.
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10:42:34 <sbp> I didn't realise that doorbelling was such a difficult topic!
10:43:00 <sbp> let's say a cow which lives a giant hamster shaped gingerbread house
10:44:17 <JibberJim> Well that's easy, you can buy those doorbells for any gingerbreah house supplier
10:44:31 <sbp> what noise do they make?
10:44:38 <JibberJim> there's a wide range appropriate from.
10:45:44 <sbp> I wonder why a cow would live in a gingerbread house? perhaps it's grass flavoured gingerbread? but then it'd have to be called grassbread
10:45:51 <JibberJim> Imagine a cow-bell but then imagine the noise made by one made out of biscuit that had gone a bit soggy. so a sort of full squish...
10:45:57 <sbp> so let's say a grassbread house instead. it's more realistic
10:46:03 <sbp> aha
10:46:13 <sbp> "squink"
10:46:20 <JibberJim> cow's live in gingerbread houses because they don't like gingerbread so don't end up eating themselves out of house and home
10:52:42 <sbp> oho
10:52:56 <jetscreamer> gargle with warm/hot salt water, you know that one?
10:53:24 <sbp> yeah. and I've been drinking it (actually, stock)
10:53:28 <sbp> and having Strepsils
11:11:44 <sbp> awesome:
11:11:44 <sbp> [[[
11:11:44 <sbp> For IE5/Mac Users: http://www.macslash.com/articles/01/10/10/1828238.shtml
11:11:44 <sbp> Your Magic String: http://www.aaronsw.com/2002/dtrt.cgi?secret=one&q=%s
11:11:45 <sbp> Concept by Gerald: http://impressive.net/services/dtrt/
11:11:45 <sbp> Implementation by: Aaron Swartz <http://www.aaronsw.com/>
11:11:46 <sbp> Special Thanks To: HTTP GET, and those who build services with it
11:11:51 <sbp> ]]] - http://www.aaronsw.com/2002/dtrt.py
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11:20:19 <jetscreamer> damn next they'll be getting a 2 button mose...
11:20:21 <jetscreamer> mouse
11:21:16 <sbp> [[[
11:21:16 <sbp> LogicError has information about a number of people:
11:21:16 <sbp> * D. J. Bernstein
11:21:22 <sbp> ]]] - http://logicerror.com/people
11:21:26 <sbp> proof that one is a number
11:26:47 <sbp> bash question:
11:26:59 <sbp> quickest, simplest, easiest, rightest way to uri-encode?
11:27:12 <sbp> I wrote http://inamidst.com/code/uriencode.c to do this
11:27:22 <sbp> but I need something that's deployable without building C...
11:28:38 <sbp> er, http://inamidst.com/code/uriescape.c
11:33:41 <sbp> shame iconv doesn't have a URI encoding
11:41:41 <sbp> .cp smile
11:41:43 <sbp> .cp frown
11:41:44 <phenny> 2323: SMILE (⌣)
11:41:46 <phenny> 2322: FROWN (⌢)
11:41:49 <phenny> 2639: WHITE FROWNING FACE (☹)
11:42:08 <sbp> .cp while smiling face
11:42:10 <phenny> Sorry, no results found for 'while smiling face'.
11:42:21 <sbp> .cp white smiling face
11:42:24 <phenny> 263A: WHITE SMILING FACE (☺)
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12:55:04 <sbp> phenny: tell xover X-W3C-Validator-Recursion: 1? heh
12:55:04 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when xover is around.
12:56:02 <bjoern_> don't set it to 2!
12:56:39 <sbp> I'm not sure why it's being produced still
12:56:54 <sbp> I've written a little service that returns an image based on the validity of the referer
12:57:04 <bjoern_> excellent!
12:57:07 <sbp> smiley face for valid, frowny face for invalid
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12:57:21 <sbp> well, yeah, but... a bit slow and a bit all-server-pounding
12:57:25 <sbp> verbosus!
12:57:28 <bjoern_> it's there to avoid "validate the validation results for the validation results for the .... for this page" style attacks...
12:57:42 <sbp> so the page had 2 GETS, and the validator has 1 GET for each time an image is loaded
12:57:47 <sbp> er, one HEAD
12:57:52 <verbosus> sbp!
12:57:55 <sbp> bjoern_: aye. but I'm not doing that
12:57:58 <bjoern_> (since that would fetch the page n times, which isn't nice)
12:58:04 <sbp> yet the validation status isn't being return
12:58:08 <sbp> ..ed. just debugging
12:58:36 <bjoern_> the status should be independent of that...
12:58:52 <sbp> sigh. this was working and then I fucked about with the script like a doofus
12:59:27 <verbosus> sbp: ready for the Great Outdoor Fight?
12:59:42 <sbp> verbosus: heh, heh. 3000 men, 3 days?
13:00:11 <sbp> heh, yep
13:00:19 <verbosus> yeah: my father won it in 1964
13:01:24 <sbp> "I RIDE WITH RODNEY"?
13:02:45 <verbosus> yeah, that was weird
13:02:53 <verbosus> why does an old newspaper have a pin on it?
13:03:00 <sbp> and the alt text has: "Be sure to tune in Monday, when we continue to Ride With Rodney!"
13:03:41 <sbp> ah, there's an asshead line break crept in
13:04:04 <verbosus> I missed the habit of looking at the title="" in Achewood
13:04:13 <verbosus> it’s way too obscure for me to grasp
13:04:18 <sbp> sometimes they're the funniest bits!
13:05:41 <sbp> .pc ;
13:05:42 <phenny> 003B: SEMICOLON (;)
13:06:36 <verbosus> .pc ¶
13:06:37 <phenny> 00B6: PILCROW SIGN (¶)
13:06:43 <verbosus> ah, nice
13:07:10 <verbosus> sbp: phenny is Python-based so it will only know about Unicode 3.2 chars, yes?
13:09:32 <sbp> verbosus: actually she uses a UnicodeData.txt local mirror
13:09:38 <sbp> so she can be updated quite easily
13:10:02 <sbp> here, I'll do it now
13:10:06 <verbosus> OIC: so you binary-search through that?
13:11:12 <sbp> there, updated
13:11:14 <sbp> verbosus: http://inamidst.com/phenny/modules/codepoint.py
13:11:50 <sbp> note how combiners combine with a dotted circle
13:11:55 <sbp> .cp combining
13:11:56 <phenny> 0300: COMBINING GRAVE ACCENT (◌̀)
13:11:59 <phenny> 0301: COMBINING ACUTE ACCENT (◌́)
13:12:01 <phenny> 0302: COMBINING CIRCUMFLEX ACCENT (◌̂) [...]
13:12:18 <sbp> THAT IS A SIGN OF QUALITY MY FRIEND
13:12:21 <sbp> :-)
13:13:17 <verbosus> LOL
13:14:20 <bjoern_> .cp 0308
13:14:21 <phenny> 00A8: DIAERESIS (¨)
13:14:22 <phenny> 00C4: LATIN CAPITAL LETTER A WITH DIAERESIS (Ä)
13:14:23 <phenny> 00CB: LATIN CAPITAL LETTER E WITH DIAERESIS (Ë) [...]
13:15:35 <verbosus> I also found out about the handy \N Python syntax
13:15:44 <verbosus> so you can call a Unicode codepoint by name
13:17:42 <verbosus> star = u'\N{WHITE STAR}'
13:18:08 <sbp> ooh
13:18:17 <sbp> I knew perl had that
13:18:20 <sbp> didn't know Python did
13:19:08 <verbosus> THAT IS A SIGN OF QUALITY AS WELL
13:19:20 <sbp> heh, heh. indeed. "Python" is a sign of quality
13:19:39 <sbp> okay, so this validation thing only works locally: when it gets a referer that's not from its own site, it chokes
13:19:47 <sbp> question is, what Status should it choke with?
13:19:52 <verbosus> yeah, but GvR is being shit-fested around for his last “web frameworks” post
13:20:09 <sbp> verbosus: oh? I haven't heard about any of this
13:20:12 <verbosus> cf. http://www.artima.com/weblogs/viewpost.jsp?thread=146149
13:20:24 <bjoern_> 402 probably
13:20:25 <sbp> I was thinking 200 and just give a little note, but 403 sounds like it might be right. iuno
13:20:31 <verbosus> well, he’s not really being “shit-fested”, but certainly people are upset
13:20:45 <sbp> 402: heh
13:21:40 <sbp> * sbp looks at 503's documentation... nope
13:23:03 <sbp> verbosus: why are they upset? I can't tell from the post
13:23:22 <sbp> I presume they're under the delusion that Python's web stuff is any good/
13:23:25 <sbp> s!/!?!
13:23:33 <verbosus> yeah
13:23:43 <sbp> idiots
13:23:46 <verbosus> I have a friend who is very much involved in Twisted web development
13:24:23 <sbp> for microapplications (ooh, birth of a new buzzword), there isn't really much around
13:24:32 <verbosus> myself I’m pretty comfortable with working in Django, though I wouldn’t go so far as claiming it’s perfect
13:24:36 <verbosus> yeah
13:24:49 <verbosus> maybe Aaron’s web.py, but I haven’t really looked at it
13:24:52 <sbp> having said that, you can do good things with Twisted on a small scale as far as networking is concerned... not sure about serving
13:25:02 <mumbles> mumbles is now known as mumbles-out
13:25:22 <sbp> yes, web.py is for this sort of thing... and it's compact
13:25:35 <sbp> perhaps someone should dangle it in front of GvR
13:25:42 <verbosus> they already did
13:25:56 <verbosus> and then Aaron will take over Google
13:26:07 <sbp> oh, cool
13:26:08 <sbp> heh
13:26:16 <sbp> you never know, it wouldn't surprise me
13:26:29 <sbp> we always used to say he'd be the W3C director when timbl steps down
13:26:35 <sbp> doubt that'll happen now
13:27:31 <sbp> one funny thing about this validation image script is that when I load "test-valid" it waits and fills in the image with a little smiling face, but then I go to "test-invalid" and it puts a smiling face in there too (from the cache) and then regets and realises it should be a frown
13:27:46 <sbp> then if I refresh them back and forth they both do the same thing--opposite status before the real one
13:31:26 <sbp> HTTP spec seems to say 403
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13:36:32 <sbp> hey, actually, I should do the test card thing
13:36:36 <sbp> just return the inamidst logo
13:38:51 <sbp> that way, if somebody's browser sends knackered referer headers, they'll still get something site-sane
13:39:13 <crschmidt> hm
13:39:14 <crschmidt> X-Google-Crawl-Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 09:10:24 GMT
13:39:14 <crschmidt> X-Google-Crawl-Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 09:10:24 GMT
13:39:15 <crschmidt> del.icio.us/crschmidt
13:39:26 <sbp> and if somebody tried to use the service on their own site (I don't mind them replicating the whole serivce, but just using the image will probably be a bit harsh) they'll end up with the inamidst logo instead
13:39:38 <sbp> crschmidt: I... uh
13:39:53 <crschmidt> only shows up on google.cn
13:40:00 <sbp> where's that from?
13:40:08 <crschmidt> http://www.google.cn/search?q=crschmidt&hl=zh-CN&lr=&start=30&sa=N
13:40:15 <sbp> $ curl -Is del.icio.us/crschmidt doesn't s... ooh
13:41:03 <crschmidt> Note that del.icio.us blocks all spiders
13:41:13 <crschmidt> http://del.icio.us/robots.txt
13:41:27 <sbp> even Google? pfft
13:43:15 <crschmidt> I'm just interested in why that shows up on google.cn
13:43:18 <crschmidt> but not google.com
13:45:29 <sbp> I wonder why it shows up at all
13:45:59 <jetscreamer> spiders that don't honor robots.txt ?
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13:50:39 <Morbus> eh oh.
13:51:19 <crschmidt> * crschmidt heads out to court
13:51:26 <sbp> hey Morbus
13:51:29 <sbp> court eh?
13:51:50 <crschmidt> yep
13:51:59 <crschmidt> Contesting a speeding ticket
13:52:23 <Morbus> eh oh, sbp.
13:52:25 <crschmidt> I was pulled over when doing about 80 in a 55 (Since people kept passing me on the right otherwise) and was issued a ticket for travelling "95+"
13:52:46 <Morbus> that's the second time in recent memory you've been stopped for speeding.
13:52:52 <Morbus> you got a problem, holmes.
13:52:56 <crschmidt> It's the only time I've been stopped for speeding.
13:53:03 <Morbus> what about the kids in the car one?
13:53:05 <crschmidt> This happened 3 months ago.
13:53:11 <crschmidt> That *is* this one.
13:53:13 <Morbus> oh!
13:53:17 <Morbus> wow.
13:53:21 <Morbus> stupid court always being busy.
13:53:24 <crschmidt> Heh
13:53:50 <crschmidt> Anyway. Back later.
13:54:14 <Morbus> good luck
13:55:57 <sbp> yep, hope it goes well
14:02:23 <JibberJim> * JibberJim wonders who's he's courting...
14:02:35 <sbp> phenny: tell xover that "Tentatively Valid" is one of the most awesome ideas that the Validator Clan's ever had, I think. please pat the back of whoever dreamed that up, and put me on your "list of people to draft" should someone ever come along and ask you to change it
14:02:37 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when xover is around.
14:02:51 <Morbus> hey, i had that TV yesterday.
14:02:55 <Morbus> cos i didn't set a charset.
14:02:58 <Morbus> i had a chuckle too.
14:03:04 <sbp> heh, heh
14:03:11 <sbp> oh, you probably haven't seen the backlog
14:03:18 <Morbus> no
14:03:25 <sbp> basically what I've done is to make a service that validates based on the Referer header
14:03:35 <sbp> and then returns either a smiling face or a frowning face as a PNG
14:03:48 <sbp> so you can just refer to that image in a web page and automatically see whether it validates
14:03:50 <Morbus> ah. right.
14:03:52 <sbp> only works locally to the site
14:04:06 <sbp> so, the problem is that most of my pages are not valid 1.0 Strict because no doctype
14:04:16 <Morbus> naughty.
14:04:20 <sbp> but thankfully the HTTP HEAD service that I'm using uses the tentatively valid results
14:04:21 <sbp> yeah
14:06:13 <Morbus> niftyish service.
14:06:28 <Morbus> icab sorta did the same thing, in the client.
14:06:48 <sbp> it did? that's kinda cool
14:06:54 <Morbus> http://www.icab.de/smile.html
14:06:57 <sbp> I wonder if there's a Firefox extension that does that?
14:07:30 <Morbus> http://www.icab.de/img/screenshots/notab.jpg
14:07:36 <Morbus> you can see the frown in the upper right.
14:07:54 <sbp> let icab smile... that's hilarious
14:07:59 <Morbus> yah :)
14:08:01 <sbp> I want all my pages to make icab smile now
14:08:02 <sbp> aww
14:08:03 <Morbus> :D
14:08:13 <Morbus> you should make your service public
14:08:15 <sbp> eek, amazon made it frown!
14:08:16 <Morbus> "let sbp smile"
14:08:19 <sbp> BOYCOTT AMAZONG!
14:08:22 <sbp> heh!
14:08:31 <sbp> and the icons could be photos of me smiling and frowning
14:08:34 <sbp> that'd be disturbing
14:08:36 <Morbus> yeah!
14:08:51 <Morbus> and if the whois is me, it'd be something special, like an easter egg.
14:09:18 <sbp> a goat eating an easter egg
14:09:25 <Morbus> ooh, i know.
14:09:41 <Morbus> http://www.disobey.com/detergent/2000/morbus-goat.jpg
14:10:00 <sbp> ooh, right, Goatus
14:10:02 <sbp> hehe
14:15:14 <bjoern_> "Python is the triumph of mediocrity" -- http://lua-users.org/lists/lua-l/2006-01/msg00449.html
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14:26:26 <sbp> bah. we don't say nasty things about lua
14:26:50 <JibberJim> lualua?
14:27:04 <Morbus> sbp: you know about civ4/
14:27:05 <Morbus> ?
14:27:12 <Morbus> civ4 allows you to addon to it in Python.
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14:27:21 <Monty> lo kpreid
14:28:03 <kpreid> Monty: "oops"
14:28:06 <Monty> All you ever do is scratch anal steam-bath!
14:28:14 <JibberJim> yes Morbus, Civ 4 has python inside it
14:28:19 <Morbus> yeah.
14:28:28 <Morbus> I'm really hoping they don't fuck up the Mac port of that.
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14:30:16 <bjoern_> hmm, C99 has 0x1p10? interesting...
14:30:40 <sbp> nope, didn't know that
14:30:50 <sbp> oh wait, actually, didn't we talk about it ages ago?
14:30:54 <sbp> or is it new news?
14:30:59 <Morbus> * Morbus is in the process of playing civ3, to hold him over until the 6monthsfromnow Mac port.
14:31:02 <Morbus> Yeah, I told you abotu it before.
14:31:08 <Morbus> During my looking aroudn for map tiles for ghyll
14:31:15 <sbp> ah yeah
14:31:42 <gromgull> Does someone here have a powerbook?
14:31:48 <sbp> heh, this was hilarious. from #svg:
14:31:49 <sbp> [14:14] <schepers> what day is it?
14:31:49 <sbp> [14:14] <JibberJim> tuesday 5th march 2012
14:31:49 <sbp> [14:15] <schepers> shit, I'm late for work!
14:32:02 <Morbus> heh, heh
14:32:19 <kpreid> gromgull: why do you ask?
14:32:22 <Morbus> how do you hide your joined channels from a /who*?
14:32:30 <sbp> Morbus: mode +i
14:32:34 <Morbus> oh.
14:32:37 <Morbus> yeah, i hate that.
14:32:38 <Morbus> * Morbus stares at sbp
14:32:51 <sbp> cough
14:33:21 <Morbus> oh!
14:33:27 <Morbus> there's been some new development in quixie land.
14:33:31 <Morbus> vampires don't like sucking their blood.
14:33:37 <Morbus> and they're horrible cashiers.
14:33:47 <JibberJim> Morbus, get a windows laptop!
14:33:51 <JibberJim> then you can play Civ 4
14:33:52 <Morbus> "Quixie cashiers mean well, but do not gain experience as quickly, because they tend to get lost during their breaks. "
14:33:53 <JibberJim> it's very good
14:34:03 <sbp> Quixies! ahahahaha. man, that was good stuff
14:34:15 <Morbus> sbp: yeah. they're being integrated quite nicely now ;)
14:34:50 <Morbus> JibberJim: nah, i'd rather wait for the mac port, or macbookproxp/vista ;)
14:35:18 <Morbus> sbp: i got one guy who's doing a lot of code/stuff ffor the gameapi. hard to keep up with him on the commits.
14:35:18 <sbp> I hope "and getting into all kinds of adventures such as setting out to make berry wine but getting lost and ending up on the moon" is still in there?
14:35:24 <Morbus> of course.
14:35:27 <sbp> whoo
14:35:36 <Morbus> actually if you want to write up a full description, be my guest.
14:35:37 <sbp> he's that into it? great
14:35:39 <Morbus> 5+ paragraphs
14:35:41 <sbp> m'kay!
14:35:50 <Morbus> http://morbus.totalnetnh.net/drupal/?q=game/library/races/quixie
14:35:52 <Morbus> but!
14:35:55 <Morbus> http://morbus.totalnetnh.net/drupal/?q=game/library/races
14:36:04 <Morbus> just like a lexicon - try to integrate them with the other races.
14:36:08 <Morbus> their relationships and so forth.
14:36:27 <Morbus> see also http://www.gamegrene.com/node/551
14:36:30 <Morbus> wich contains:
14:36:34 <Morbus> [[[
14:36:39 <Morbus> Greys have been known to keep Quixie companions, although it is surmised by some that they keep them more as pets. Some historians actually blame Quixies for the sudden appearance of Greys in the multiverse, as it is suspected that a Quixie lost in another dimension may have led the enigmatic creatures here. Regardless of the reason, they seem to be here to stay.
14:36:39 <Morbus> ]]
14:36:40 <Morbus> [
14:36:41 <sbp> neither of those are loading
14:36:43 <Morbus> ]
14:36:45 <Morbus> ]
14:36:45 <sbp> ]
14:36:47 <sbp> [
14:36:48 <Morbus> ACK!
14:36:52 <sbp> there
14:37:04 <Morbus> A grey is a selectable race.
14:37:14 <Morbus> and quixies brought them to us <g>
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14:37:52 <sbp> any idea why morbus.totalnetnh.net/drupal etc. won't load?
14:38:02 <Morbus> nope.
14:38:05 <Morbus> but http://cvs.drupal.org/viewcvs/drupal/contributions/modules/game/races/quixie.inc?view=markup is the same thing.
14:38:11 <Morbus> just without an itneraface.
14:38:20 <Morbus> you'd be replacing ->long
14:39:00 <Morbus> the only other known facts abotu quixies are the cashier thing, the vampire thing, and the grey thing i just pasted.
14:39:21 <kpreid> .gc itneraface
14:39:25 <phenny> itneraface: 0
14:39:33 <Morbus> SHUT UP!
14:39:35 <Morbus> * Morbus winks to sbp
14:40:35 <sbp> heh!
14:40:56 <sbp> okay, got it
14:42:02 <sbp> Morbus: is there anybody else doing a similar thing to this in Drupal?
14:42:08 <Morbus> the gameapi? nope.
14:42:12 <sbp> the fact that you snarfed modules/game/ suggests not :-)
14:42:15 <Morbus> i got me a monopoly
14:42:19 <sbp> awesome
14:42:22 <Morbus> you see my latest map demos?
14:42:26 <sbp> nope
14:42:34 <Morbus> 3 of em: http://drupal.org/node/45635#comment-87164
14:42:39 <Morbus> tell me which... oh, wait, yes, you have.
14:42:43 <Morbus> you thought the B was a line.
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14:43:37 <gromgull> cause I just got mine... and I wonder how long it takes for it to charge the first time...
14:43:37 <gromgull> i nede to catch a train in 2.5 hours and I'd like to have it then - but i'd also not like to damage my battery life forever
14:43:56 <kpreid> gromgull: I don't know offhand, sorry
14:44:13 <Morbus> gromgull: I don't know for sure, but if it's like any apple battery, the first 80% goes the quickest.
14:44:24 <kpreid> gromgull: but not fully charging it shouldn't hurt it, afaik
14:44:40 <Morbus> if you start charging now, i'd say you'd be fine for a train ride.
14:44:44 <kpreid> this is a lithium ion battery. they don't mind irregular usage cycles
14:45:17 <kpreid> IIRC, the best thing to do with a lithium ion is simply: avoid unnecessary use, because that's what wears them out
14:45:38 <kpreid> so don't run it on battery just to get a full discharge or something, because that's the opposite of what to do
14:46:25 <kpreid> conclusion: plug it in now, unplug it when you have to catch your train, and see if it's enough
14:46:59 <kpreid> have you turned it on at all yet? because they usually come partially charged
14:47:19 <jsled> If you blow on the power cord in the direction of the laptop, the movement will make the electrons move just a wee bit faster.
14:47:47 <Morbus> heh, heh.
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14:50:32 <sbp> sbp has changed the topic to: <jsled> If you blow on the power cord in the direction of the laptop, the movement will make the electrons move just a wee bit faster.
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15:05:37 <crschmidt> heh
15:05:42 <crschmidt> * crschmidt made it to the courthouse
15:05:56 <crschmidt> sitting in the parking lot charging cell phone so i can get some work done
15:06:01 <crschmidt> not supposed to be there for another 30 minutes
15:09:40 <sbp> * sbp waves
15:15:18 <crschmidt> alright, heading in now
15:15:34 <sbp> hope it goes well!
15:15:38 <crschmidt> me too!
15:15:40 <crschmidt> :)
15:15:43 <sbp> :-)
15:16:09 <Morbus> me three!
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15:16:19 <sbp> aww
15:17:18 <Morbus> sbp, do you have slogger installed
15:17:27 <Morbus> can you hit disobey.com today, and check the saved files?
15:17:33 <Morbus> i'm looking to see how well it handles the <base> tag.
15:17:50 <Morbus> there's a huge demonic argument about it in drupal: http://drupal.org/node/13148
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15:23:55 <sbp> nope, no slogger sadly
15:24:11 <sbp> didn't work in Firefox 1.5 last time I looked
15:24:39 <Morbus> there's a beta preview up.
15:24:41 <Morbus> check the archives.
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15:40:27 <sbp> yeah, but I think it's buggy still
15:40:34 <sbp> for example, it double posts--which is very dangerous
15:41:02 <sbp> I keep meaning to hack about with it myself
15:41:08 <sbp> 90% of the configuration crap isn't needed
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16:24:56 <jcowan> Ittywhonk!
16:24:59 <crschmidt> Trooper failed to send in the citation.
16:25:11 <crschmidt> So I got out of a $400 ticket with no questions asked (other than my name)
16:25:17 <jsled> nice.
16:25:22 <jcowan> Yet another failure of our great legal system to bring a criminal to justice.
16:25:38 <Morbus> wow, awesome, crschmidt.
16:26:00 <crschmidt> * crschmidt sees it differently, but is quite clearly biased and feels no need to argue.
16:26:10 <jcowan> * jcowan isn't serious.
16:26:29 <crschmidt> Ah, okay :)
16:27:04 <crschmidt> Anyway, time to drive home.
16:27:30 <jcowan> The thing I like about #swhack is how, unlike most other IRC channels, our topic line actually reflects what we are talking about.
16:29:13 <Morbus> heh, yeah.
16:29:35 <JibberJim> crschmidt, at 95mph?
16:30:21 <danja> * danja trys blowing...gets electron pushback
16:30:38 <sbp> hehe
16:30:47 <sbp> well done, I suppose, crschmidt!
16:32:48 <kpreid> hey, jcowan. you're a Smart Person. I'd like your opinion on something I just rambled about: http://meme.b9.com/cview.html?channel=erights&date=060127 starting at 16:13:44
16:37:12 <Morbus> sbp: do you know of any talk, "officially" (w3, bray, timbl, etc.) discussion about "relative root" URLs, like href="/path/wee" and not "path/wee"
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16:38:33 <sbp> Morbus: nope. all W3C pages are required to use relative paths, though
16:38:40 <sbp> (they don't, but they're required to)
16:38:46 <Morbus> do you have a link on that?
16:38:54 <sbp> but there's no distinction betwee... sure, hang on
16:39:04 <Morbus> * Morbus looks at http://www.w3.org/Addressing/
16:39:50 <Morbus> that's more styleguide than anything though.
16:40:30 <Morbus> [[[
16:40:30 <Morbus> This one checks that it uses a root-realtive one where that is
16:40:30 <Morbus> all they share. Now uses root-relative where no path is shared.
16:40:30 <Morbus> This is a matter of taste but tends to give more resilience IMHO
16:40:30 <Morbus> -- and shorter paths
16:40:31 <Morbus> ]]]
16:40:33 <Morbus> http://www.w3.org/2000/10/swap/uripath.html
16:40:57 <Morbus> file last edited by timbl, but not sure if that's his comment.
16:43:15 <nsh> .ety boreal
16:43:19 <phenny> "1470, from L. borealis, from boreas 'north wind,' from Gk." - http://etymonline.com/?term=boreal
16:44:01 <Morbus> how do you feel about root relatives, sbp?
16:46:54 <sbp> Morbus: yeah, I found a tonne of other documents but nothing containing what I thought I saw. it was just an aside by TimBL, anyway, if it even existed, and the policy is definitely not in stone. even Pubrules violates it in places
16:47:02 <Morbus> yeah.
16:47:08 <sbp> Morbus: I don't think it matters which you use, but it's a matter of style
16:47:08 <Morbus> I'm not finding anything either.
16:47:19 <Morbus> sbp: my respoonse to this post is nearing 6000 words now ;)
16:47:23 <sbp> wow
16:47:50 <Morbus> be about 5200 when edited, i suspect.
16:48:20 <sbp> "root-realtive" - sounds like timbl
16:48:25 <Morbus> heh, heh.
16:48:28 <sbp> but it's DanC's module
16:48:32 <Morbus> is there a cvs for it?
16:48:33 <Morbus> there's a changelog.
16:48:35 <sbp> yeah
16:48:37 <Morbus> but i couldn't find a tracker.
16:48:58 <sbp> http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2000/10/swap/uripath.html
16:49:05 <nsh> .w fanning
16:49:08 <phenny> fanning 1. strike out (a batter), (of a pitcher)
16:49:11 <phenny> fanning 2. make (an emotion) fiercer
16:49:14 <phenny> fanning 3. agitate the air [...]
16:49:45 <Morbus> erm.
16:49:46 <Morbus> does this work?
16:49:50 <Morbus> the view plain keeps spitting out html.
16:50:11 <Morbus> oh, this is html, not the pyu.
16:50:12 <sbp> http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2000/10/swap/uripath.py.diff?r1=1.3&r2=1.4&f=h
16:50:13 <Morbus> damn you.
16:50:22 <sbp> [16:39] <Morbus> http://www.w3.org/2000/10/swap/uripath.html
16:50:23 <sbp> heh, heh
16:50:37 <sbp> anyway, it was timbl
16:50:43 <Morbus> alright.
16:50:47 <Morbus> i'll throw it in as an aside.
16:51:45 <clsn> sbp: I think I had something to talk to you about. But I don't know what it was. Whatever it was, it wasn't all that important.
16:52:08 <sbp> chuckle. hi clsn
16:52:56 <clsn> At some point I'm probably going to want a clusterfuck overview of XML and related thingies, since I know several experts swhack.
16:53:20 <jsled> Ooh. http://www.teemuharju.net/2006/01/24/python-for-maemo-11-released/
16:55:48 <clsn> You got me tinkering with Marin again. I think my source file for it is corrupt somehow; I recovered it from the ttf. Also figured out how to fix the bad line-spacing problems, and moved in the stuff I had done on the corrupt file (Ogham, enclosed alphanumerics)
16:57:23 <sbp> tinkering with Marin: oh, great! shame about the corruption. did you lose anything by having to recover from the ttf?
16:57:35 <sbp> ooh, Marin Ogham
16:58:56 <clsn> I don't think I lost anything significant. I'm not even completely sure the file is corrupt, but it does seem to be behaving kinda weird.
16:59:11 <clsn> (I also replaced the sample on the gallery page)
17:00:05 <clsn> * clsn wows. I'm behind the news: just found out that Peter Ladefoged died.
17:00:08 <sbp> * sbp looks... aw, no Ogham example
17:00:19 <sbp> Peter Ladefoged died? I didn't know that either
17:00:22 <Morbus> woohoo.
17:00:25 <Morbus> * Morbus revises his comment.
17:00:38 <sbp> * sbp looks at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Ladefoged
17:02:06 <clsn> I should see if I can find some Ogham to quote. Michael Everson surely has some. I had to copy Cherokee off the cherokee wikipedia's menus; not much prose out there that I could find
17:02:21 <sbp> Morbus, bjoern_, et al.: http://inamidst.com/proj/valid/
17:02:42 <Morbus> * Morbus bookmarks.
17:02:43 <sbp> clsn: I remember patfm had a huge utf-8 example file...
17:03:58 <clsn> I'll see if I can find it...
17:06:05 <sbp> wow, Firefox reads .txt.gz files natively
17:06:10 <Morbus> yes.
17:06:15 <Morbus> tis nice.
17:06:24 <sbp> aye
17:07:05 <Morbus> is it W3 or W3C, in text?
17:07:12 <sbp> W3C, always
17:07:17 <Morbus> thought so.
17:08:13 <clsn> Yeah, in playing with rss stuff I found some places spit them at you compressed, and browsers care not.
17:09:16 <Morbus> sbp: http://drupal.org/node/13148#comment-69225
17:11:01 <sbp> Morbus: wait... what's the context of this?
17:11:12 <Morbus> remove <base> tag generation from Drupal.
17:11:18 <sbp> there is a specific rule regarding base, which is that you shouldn't abuse it to point to a place where the current document isn't
17:11:26 <Morbus> yeah, that's not relevant.
17:11:31 <sbp> ah, okay
17:11:39 <Morbus> drupal's use is 100% perfect.
17:11:44 <sbp> then I don't get your "# Fragments are easier." point
17:11:53 <Morbus> but, very few bots realize it.
17:12:15 <Morbus> a base url of "drupal.org", and a path of "node/34", causes href="#section" to refer to drupal.org, not node/34
17:12:44 <Morbus> all hrefs on node/34 point to stuff like misc/drupal.css
17:12:49 <Morbus> which become drupal.org/misc/drupal.css, naturally.
17:13:08 <Morbus> so, this rule suggests that node/34 should have a base of drupal.org/node?
17:13:11 <clsn> sbp: Ah, I've seen that demo file. The Yudit distrib also comes with some nice examples.
17:13:50 <sbp> it suggests that it should have a base of drupal.org/node/34, yeah
17:14:07 <Morbus> reference?
17:14:07 <sbp> hang on, looking
17:16:22 <sbp> er... uh oh. swhack.com/logs seems to have gone
17:16:22 <sbp> hmm. anyway...
17:16:22 <jcowan> kpreid: I don't have enough marbles today to follow this.
17:16:22 <kpreid> No problem.
17:16:22 <sbp> Morbus: http://w3future.com/weblog/2005/08/#howToUseBaseUris
17:16:22 <Morbus> thank you.
17:16:46 <jcowan> * jcowan 's opinion on relative roots is that they are suitable when you'd normally use an absolute URI but need to make sure that you are referring to the current server.
17:17:21 <jcowan> * jcowan continues to read backscroll.
17:17:35 <sbp> how strange. everything is fine on manxome
17:17:42 <sbp> yet I get nothing from swhack.com/logs
17:17:50 <sbp> .head http://swhack.com/logs/
17:17:54 <phenny> Status: 200 (for more, try ".head uri header")
17:18:01 <sbp> .head http://swhack.com/logs/ Content-Length
17:18:04 <phenny> There was no Content-Length header in the response.
17:18:10 <sbp> hrg
17:19:51 <jcowan> * jcowan wonders what swhackers think of the GPLv3
17:20:01 <jcowan> * jcowan is in favor of it, with a few minor reservations.
17:20:04 <sbp> hmm, I c... oh, it's back. weird
17:20:16 <sbp> jcowan: I hadn't looked at it yet. summary of the changes?
17:20:23 <sbp> I knew about it though (/. have been yammering)
17:21:33 <sbp> Morbus: see also http://infinitesque.net/articles/2005/unabusing%20xml:base.xhtml and (its source) http://swhack.com/logs/2006-01-24#T04-41-22
17:22:35 <Morbus> thanks.
17:22:39 <Morbus> writing a followup comment.
17:26:40 <danja> "ffffshhhhhhhffffshhhhhhffffshhhhhhh"
17:26:59 <danja> would appear to be hedgehog for "fuck off"
17:26:59 <Morbus> sbp: updated.
17:27:01 <Morbus> http://drupal.org/node/13148
17:28:05 <danja> * danja just woke Eric up too early/bright
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17:29:15 <sbp> Morbus: so, just to clarify, the patch is removing base, right?
17:29:22 <Morbus> correct.
17:29:26 <Morbus> and moving to root relatives.
17:29:46 <sbp> m'kay
17:30:03 <JibberJim> don't give your relatives root access
17:30:06 <JibberJim> you can't trust them!
17:30:09 <Morbus> heh, heh.
17:31:07 <sbp> argh, trying to find out how Drupal gets the quotes on the <blockquotes>
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17:31:25 <sbp> but the source is stupid ('<blockquote><div class="wbq"><p>So it seems you can't just use')
17:31:25 <crschmidt> probably content:before and content:after?
17:31:27 <jcowan> Or more concisely and Ozly:
17:31:28 <mumbles-ill-bed> mumbles-ill-bed is now known as mumbles-laptop2
17:31:30 <jcowan> Don't root your relativefs.
17:31:33 <jcowan> relatives, even.
17:31:42 <sbp> and there's no mention of blockquote or wbq in the stylesheet
17:31:51 <Morbus> sbp: yeah, it's evil.
17:31:52 <sbp> stylesheets, rather. so either they're not being resolved properly...
17:32:03 <sbp> or it's javascript or something? I dunno. annoying
17:32:27 <sbp> oh, nevermind
17:32:31 <sbp> it's Firefox that's broken
17:32:43 <sbp> it's not finding stuff in a Javascript bookmarklet popup window
17:32:46 <sbp> bad Firefox
17:33:52 <lisppaste2> sbp pasted "Drupal Blockquote Style" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/16124
17:34:34 <sbp> hence the reason for the wbq
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17:35:30 <Morbus> wrapped blockquote, probably.
17:35:57 <jcowan> sbp: no GPLv3 program can be part of a DRM system; explicit patent license and patent peace clause; wider compatibility with other licenses (but GPL still has to win for the final product); no removing "push this button to get source" hacks; violators are no longer automatically terminated by action of law.
17:36:18 <jcowan> * jcowan terminates Morbus by action of law while it's still possible.
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17:38:21 <sbp> "violators are no longer automatically terminated by action of law" - what does that mean?
17:39:38 <d8uv> Violators who are actioning the law aren't freaking the Terminator by default.
17:39:40 <d8uv> I thing
17:39:45 <jcowan> Under GPLv2, if you violate any of the GPL's provisions, the license is terminated and you no longer have the right to distribute, modify, etc. etc.
17:40:14 <jcowan> Under v3, it's discretionary on the part of the licensor. He can terminate you but can work out something else instead.
17:40:52 <crschmidt> That seems to make more sense?
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17:41:45 <jcowan> Typically the FSF, which is the chief agent in these actions, wants to work out a proper compromise, not to say "Yah! You are terminated!" and file for breach of copyright.
17:42:00 <jcowan> So it's really the threat of termination that's important, not termination itself.
17:42:16 <jcowan> As in chess.
17:43:15 <jcowan> http://www.waterfall2006.com/ <-- a conference on the waterfall development process.
17:43:35 <jcowan> The tutorials and workshops sound excellent.
17:44:10 <clsn> (waterfall development? Just put water on the top of cliff and it should be able to work out the rest on its own...)
17:45:47 <jcowan> "You know in your heart it's the one true way."
17:47:02 <jcowan> * jcowan tries to read the Hamas Contract With America^WPalestine, fails.
17:47:47 <clsn> They have a contract?
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17:49:11 <clsn> Gotta head out. Talk about this later.
17:49:46 <jcowan> clsn: http://www.library.cornell.edu/colldev/mideast/hamas.htm
17:50:34 <jcowan> Winurl is a cool little Windows app by Simon Tatham, the putty guy.
17:51:01 <jcowan> It sits down in the system tray in the lower right hand corner as a gray W. Click on it, and the URL currently in the clipboard will be opened in the default browser.
17:51:33 <jcowan> That way, you don't have to depend on the "Open URL" features of other apps, which are frequently very slow and hang the app until the page load is complete.
17:53:32 <JibberJim> hmm, this episode of futurama is a homage to carry-on-up-the-jungle ...
17:54:00 <crschmidt> JibberJim: which ep?
17:54:08 <jcowan> * jcowan loves the Carry On movies.
17:54:16 <JibberJim> the one where they meet a femputer that's really a fembot
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17:54:28 <JibberJim> "Amazon woman in the mood"
17:55:19 <crschmidt> Yeah
17:55:33 <crschmidt> "Death by Snoo Snoo!"
17:56:22 <sbp> oh man
17:56:33 <sbp> oompa oopma stick it up yer jumper
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17:58:08 <jcowan> "oopma"
17:59:26 <jcowan> SPRINGFIELD ENFIELD THROW 'EM IN THE CORNFIELD
18:04:52 <bancus> crschmidt: amusingly, in lojban "snusnu" would be something like "having a conversation about conversing" or some such
18:05:20 <bancus> "morsi ta'i lo nu snusnu" sounds awful bad in that context :P
18:05:37 <crschmidt> bancus: treed@surreality.us is still checking mail via athena
18:05:41 <crschmidt> er
18:05:45 <crschmidt> treed@pulsar
18:06:19 <bancus> it is?
18:06:22 <supybot> supybot has quit (Remote closed the connection)
18:06:25 <bancus> * bancus checks to see why
18:06:44 <bancus> that's weird
18:06:51 <bancus> it should be checking pop.pulsaraviation.com
18:06:57 <bancus> which I believe is a cname to bia
18:07:01 <crschmidt> dreed@ is checking via the right place
18:07:14 <crschmidt> maybe you need to exit outlook and restart or something?
18:07:19 <bancus> maybe
18:08:26 <bancus> what's it checking now?
18:08:34 <crschmidt> that did it
18:08:37 <bancus> cool
18:09:33 <bancus> * bancus wonders who would be the first to complain if he added "conversate" to the list of gloss words for casnu.
18:10:12 <bancus> .ety conversate
18:10:16 <phenny> Can't find the etymology for "conversate". Try http://etymonline.com/?search=conversate
18:11:12 <sbp> me. converse?
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18:11:22 <bjoern_> @karma
18:12:08 <supybot> bjoern_: Highest karma: "sbp" (19), "monty" (8), and "crschmidt" (8). Lowest karma: "supybot" (-36), "sh1mmer" (-24), and "c++" (-2). You (bjoern_) are ranked 6 out of 125.
18:12:10 <Monty> this particular argument, I pay much
18:12:38 <bancus> sbp: It appears to be a backwords formed word from conversation.
18:12:56 <bancus> Apparently someone thought that conversation is when people conversate.
18:13:02 <bancus> And it caught on.
18:15:03 <sbp> oho
18:15:28 <bancus> In particular, it seems to be popular among the folks involved in the brand of rap referred to as "crunk".
18:15:36 <bancus> .g conversate
18:15:39 <phenny> conversate: http://www.conversate.org/
18:15:44 <crschmidt> .gc conversate
18:15:47 <phenny> conversate: 178,000
18:15:49 <crschmidt> .gc converse
18:15:52 <phenny> converse: 13,300,000
18:15:52 <crschmidt> oh, that cheats
18:15:55 <crschmidt> it's a brand name
18:16:02 <crschmidt> .gc conversation
18:16:05 <bancus> and others, apparently
18:16:05 <phenny> conversation: 116,000,000
18:16:58 <bancus> actually, it apparently predates crunk by quite a bit
18:19:11 <bancus> but crunk is where I first heard it
18:19:14 <bancus> [[[
18:19:15 <bancus> Yo, I'm the big booty type
18:19:15 <bancus> I like 'em thick with they mind right (Awe)
18:19:16 <bancus> Banging personality conversate when the time right (Naw)
18:19:23 <bancus> ]]] - Nelly, Shake Ya Tail Feather
18:19:26 <bancus> as an example
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18:26:46 <jcowan> Chimpanzees, it says here, are little-endian about their bananas.
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18:47:31 <sbp> okay, bash question time
18:47:38 <sbp> how do I remove all line breaks from a string in bash?
18:47:42 <sbp> using only builtins
18:47:45 <sbp> on a single line
18:47:47 <sbp> so I have:
18:47:50 <sbp> VARIABLE="
18:47:52 <sbp> lalala
18:47:53 <sbp> something
18:47:54 <sbp> "
18:48:03 <sbp> but I want to do something to make the line breaks go away
18:48:05 <sbp> this works:
18:48:12 <sbp> VARIABLE=$(echo $(echo "
18:48:13 <sbp> ...
18:48:17 <sbp> "))
18:48:21 <sbp> but it's a bit ass
18:48:37 <sbp> can it be done without double nesting?
18:48:45 <sbp> Jill already mentioned tr -d "\n"
18:48:52 <sbp> and I've been trying stuff with cat <<<$...
18:49:28 <sbp> another acceptable solution would be getting ${VAR//from/to} to get rid of line breaks
18:49:37 <sbp> which I've found you can only do if you hard code the line break
18:49:41 <sbp> ${VAR//
18:49:46 <sbp> /}
18:49:50 <sbp> which is not cool at all
18:50:05 <sbp> also the pattern production in variable substitutions is insane
18:50:14 <sbp> it should support [:blank:] but it doesn't
18:50:37 <sbp> it does support [! ] though, negative character classes
18:50:48 <sbp> but it doesn't support negative character ranges, e.g. [!A-Z]
18:50:54 <sbp> it seems pretty arbitrary
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18:52:37 <sbp> <d8uv> YOUR FACE is pretty arbitrary
18:52:42 <sbp> shup foo
18:53:07 <sbp> (actually he would've capitalised the whole line, I think)
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19:09:23 <Morbus> final count was 6100 words, btw.
19:09:44 <Morbus> about the minimum size of a O'Reilly Hack.
19:09:48 <Morbus> * Morbus submits request for payment.
19:10:35 <sbp> heh
19:18:25 <mumbles> mumbles is now known as mumbles-scouts
19:22:24 <Morbus> phenny, tell sbp I *knew* Hitler went underground! http://news.yahoo.com/s/space/20060126/sc_space/twolargelakesdiscoveredunderantarcticice
19:22:27 <phenny> Morbus: I'll pass that on when sbp is around.
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19:26:01 <sbp> hehe
19:26:03 <phenny> sbp: 19:22Z <Morbus> tell sbp I *knew* Hitler went underground! http://news.yahoo.com/s/space/20060126/sc_space/twolargelakesdiscoveredunderantarcticice
19:26:03 <sbp> wow: "Both sit under more than 2 miles of ice and are about a half-mile deep based on observed differences in gravity."
19:26:09 <sbp> they measured it by gravity. that's awesome
19:26:27 <Morbus> that's hitler's new death machine!
19:26:33 <jcowan> Made entirely of water.
19:26:39 <Morbus> hes gonna float every jew offa the surface of the earth and throw them into the sun!
19:26:48 <jcowan> Along with all the AOL CDs.
19:27:07 <Morbus> because they were made by jews?
19:27:15 <jcowan> No, because there are so many of them.
19:27:19 <crschmidt> i wonder if throwing CDs into the sun has a similar effect to throwing them into the microwave.
19:27:27 <jcowan> "When I have acquired TWO solar masses of AOL disks, I shall explode the SUN!"
19:27:35 <Morbus> probably, but only a lot quicker.
19:27:40 <Morbus> jcowan: heh!
19:28:34 <jcowan> Actually, it's "I will use them to detonate the Sun", but I think my version is better.
19:30:01 <sbp> I don't know where that quote's from
19:30:05 <sbp> but I'm going to guess
19:30:08 <sbp> Invader Zim?
19:32:01 <Ash> INVADER ZIM IS AWESOME
19:32:24 <jcowan> It's the sig line of one Polousio, but I don't know where he got it from.
19:33:30 <sbp> hmm. it just seems to be a Usenet meme
19:33:32 <sbp> which means...
19:33:44 <jcowan> I've actually swhacked it before.
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19:36:57 <sbp> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.discrimination/msg/94a44ade9beb36cd?hl=en&
19:37:04 <sbp> seems to be the first ever Usenet use
19:37:17 <crschmidt> If I had a GPS logging to a file when I was pulled over by a police officer, do you think presenting that tracklog as evience in court could act as proof of the actual speed of the vehicle enough to get out of the ticket?
19:37:33 <jcowan> Unlikely.
19:37:39 <jcowan> It'd be too easy to tamper with.
19:37:59 <Ash> just shoot the policeman and drive quickly away
19:38:00 <jcowan> Perhaps if you had a GPS model with a built-in printer.
19:38:09 <crschmidt> heh.
19:38:12 <crschmidt> Hi Ash, long time no see
19:38:16 <Ash> :)
19:38:19 <Ash> VROOM
19:38:21 <Ash> yep
19:38:29 <Ash> how are all you folks doing
19:38:48 <Ash> i heard ning is dying, i bet it's all your fault crschmidt
19:39:06 <jcowan> Everything is dying, ash.
19:39:19 <crschmidt> yeah, well, that's what you get for reading techcrunch
19:39:21 <Ash> jcowan: no need to get all technical on me
19:40:18 <eeeeeee> Ash: behave
19:41:35 <JibberJim> crschmidt, it's worth a try, but when you turn over the log surely they'll see all the other cases where you were speeding so you'd end up with 10 instances of >55 rather than 1 >90
19:42:05 <crschmidt> heh
19:42:29 <crschmidt> I don't think that they can bring charges against you for something that they didn't in some way observe though.
19:42:49 <crschmidt> I mean, if I walk into the police station and said "Yeah, the speed limit here is 30, I was just driving 40." they're not likely to do anything about it
19:43:12 <Ash> eeeeeee: bwahaha.
19:43:41 <Ash> crschmidt: they can issue a citation for something they didn't observe, and you can show up in court and say 'uh, he doesn't have any proof of blahblah'
19:43:43 <JibberJim> I'd've thought they could if you admitted it...
19:43:52 <Ash> this is why i make a point of not getting pulled over by cops
19:43:55 <crschmidt> heh
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19:44:35 <JibberJim> * JibberJim had them phone me up acuse me of bilking a petrol station.
19:44:39 <JibberJim> but then they never called again...
19:44:49 <sbp> changed your number?
19:45:04 <JibberJim> :-)
19:45:14 <sbp> heh, heh
19:45:28 <JibberJim> .wn bilking
19:45:31 <phenny> bilking 1. cheat somebody out of what is due, especially money
19:45:34 <phenny> bilking 2. hinder or prevent (the efforts, plans, or desires) of
19:45:38 <phenny> bilking 3. evade payment to [...]
19:46:04 <bjoern_> what would you call the work you perform in order to convince somebody of something?
19:46:19 <crschmidt> arguing?
19:46:24 <clsn> OK, I've read backlog...
19:47:22 <bjoern_> well, "convincing" would be closer, but I've never noticed usage of that as noun...
19:48:07 <bjoern_> persuasion maybe...
19:48:52 <sbp> .thesaurus persuade
19:48:56 <phenny> persuade synonyms: actuate, advise, affect, allure, argue into, assure, blandish, brainwash, bring around, cajole, coax, convert, counsel, draw, enlist, entice, exhort, get, impel, impress, incite, incline, induce,
19:48:59 <phenny> persuade synonyms: influence, inveigle, lead, move, prevail upon, prompt, propagandize, proselyte, proselytize, reason, satisfy, seduce, sell, sell on, stroke, sway, talk into, touch, urge, wear down, wheedle, win
19:49:11 <sbp> cajolations? exhortions?
19:49:21 <sbp> wheedlings
19:49:24 <jcowan> exhortations, I think.
19:50:34 <bjoern_> isn't that more like admonition?
19:50:36 <sbp> and when you're done wheedling you'd be exhortsted
19:50:56 <jcowan> admonition involves warning.
19:53:15 <bjoern_> well, in german I'd use "Ueberzeugungsarbeit" for what I'm looking for; for "exhortation" the dictionary suggests "Ermahnung" and "Ermunterung" as translations; "Ermahnung" involves warning, "Ermunterung" is more like encouragement.
19:54:09 <sbp> what's the literal translation of Ueberzeugungsarbeit? uber-something-work?
19:54:39 <bjoern_> try http://dict.leo.org/?search=%DCberzeugung
19:55:15 <bjoern_> arbeit = work, yes
19:55:32 <jcowan> Labor, more accurately.
19:56:08 <sbp> uber persuasion labor sounds good
19:56:41 <sbp> you could say: my "uber persuasion labor" (Ueberzeugungsarbeit)
19:56:58 <sbp> I want to use that in places now
19:57:05 <sbp> phenny: tell d8uv Ueberzeugungsarbeit!
19:57:07 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when d8uv is around.
19:58:30 <bjoern_> * bjoern_ thinks zeug = stuff, zeugen = procreate, bespeak, ...
19:58:36 <bjoern_> .gc Uberbespeaking
19:58:39 <phenny> Uberbespeaking: 0
19:59:05 <sbp> remonstrations?
19:59:19 <jcowan> bjoern_: I think that "persuading" is probably the best word, although it has to be used carefully so as not to conflict with the gerund use.
20:00:43 <jcowan> "He required a lot of persuading", e.g., works well.
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20:03:37 <pjz> anyone know any good/cheap solutions for a videowall implementation?
20:04:02 <pjz> oh, but not for video, for a large computer monitor
20:04:23 <pjz> I was thinking I could maybe do someething with vnc
20:04:35 <pjz> or maybe x2x
20:08:29 <crschmidt> why not just get a big projector?
20:11:49 <JibberJim> yeah, they're very expensive if you can't do projector
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20:16:00 <BeHappy_> pjz, seen this? http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/apps/videowhale.html
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20:20:20 <Morbus> huh.
20:20:26 <Morbus> apparently, I'm eligible for a wikipedia entry.
20:20:30 <Morbus> as opposed to a non-notable bio.
20:20:36 <Morbus> because of my publication history.
20:20:36 <Morbus> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Brian_d_foy
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20:27:40 <jcowan> I have just invented a new occupation: ghost author.
20:27:49 <Morbus> uh oh <g>
20:28:02 <jcowan> This is someone hired by a writer of a successful book to appear on talk shows, sign copies in bookstores, appear on the dust jacket, etc. etc.
20:28:18 <jcowan> Thus allowing the writer to get on with his life and next book.
20:29:39 <jcowan> Unlike ghost writing, however, the ghost author can't work for multiple employees, unless he is an Alec Guiness.
20:36:59 <jcowan> Ittywhonk!
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20:38:10 <d8uv> I'm a massive idiot.
20:38:12 <phenny> d8uv: 19:57Z <sbp> tell d8uv Ueberzeugungsarbeit!
20:38:42 <d8uv> Don't walk half a mile in -25C weather wearing a light jacket
20:38:49 <crschmidt> heh
20:38:54 <crschmidt> Yeah, you are a massive idiot
20:39:25 <Morbus> * Morbus uses one coat, year round.
20:40:02 <Morbus> http://www.lulu.com/content/223100
20:40:17 <Morbus> bet it's not as good as kill puppies for satan.
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20:47:08 <jsled> "Oh shit, we forgot to add an executive bios section to our corporate product website, the execs are pissed." "We can work around this... " http://www.medical.siemens.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/PSGenericDisplay?storeId=10001&langId=-1&catalogId=-1&catTree=100001&pageId=61077
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21:15:57 <Monty> But what does nsh have to do with the price of fish?
21:15:59 <phenny> Hush there, Monty.
21:16:04 <Monty> slowest Satanical Millennium Dome wants finite Eurocrats and dreadful stable redundance.
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21:23:50 <jsled> Getting mystical-political, monty?
21:23:53 <Monty> destroys stealing overstretched objects!
21:24:06 <jsled> Woah, Monty! Assert thyself!
21:24:06 <Monty> Please go on.
21:24:12 <jsled> Um ... well ...
21:25:29 <jsled> You stumped me, Monty.
21:25:31 <Monty> phenny: tell d8uv Ueberzeugungsarbeit!
