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00:29:44 <bjoern_> "Women and Compilers... miss a period and they go wild."
00:30:01 <jsled> heh.
00:30:10 <jessica> . . .
00:50:38 <bancus> "Miss a period and you're in trouble" might be better
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01:39:42 <BigJibby> Monty, how's it go?
01:39:46 <Monty> faraway plump Miss Piggy clears up trusted UCOL and faint-hearted soppy servicemen!
01:40:20 <BigJibby> I always knew Miss Piggy was a whore
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01:41:34 <jcowan> Ittywhonk!
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01:45:23 <BigJibby> http://www.youtube.com/w/Proper-Breast-Touching-Technique?v=7ZqHTIwmXDo
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03:12:28 <crschmidt> Anyone have any experience with gettext?
03:12:32 <crschmidt> Especially in PHP?
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03:15:45 <kpreid> All I know about gettext is that it defines a C macro named "_".
03:16:05 <crschmidt> Yeah.
03:16:15 <crschmidt> http://crschmidt.net/~crschmidt/gettext.php is about all I know about it.
03:16:32 <crschmidt> the feeling I'm getting is that I should be getting different text out of those echoes, but I'm not.
03:32:33 <deltab> on BBC2 now: An A-Z of English
03:34:08 <jcowan> * jcowan wonders how the Americans came to regularize the name of the letter Z from zed < zeta to following the other names.
04:05:29 <d8uv> Because it's ZEE-bra, not ZED-bra.
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04:49:40 <BigJibby> MotleyBot, ltns
04:49:45 <MotleyBot> BigJibby: That's
04:49:58 <BigJibby> MotleyBot, a
04:50:12 <MotleyBot> BigJibby: Fee are often high to reach a "good" targetgroup, but if more people are sharing the cost reaches moderate level.
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04:53:38 <BigJibby> MotleyBot, the end.
04:53:58 <MotleyBot> BigJibby: So i'm trying to teach the db to let me log in here to see what it claims to be the brunt end of a research based corpus and a marketing based one.
04:54:21 <BigJibby> MotleyBot, how that going?
04:54:28 <MotleyBot> BigJibby: From the air force;
04:54:56 <BigJibby> MotleyBot, so you have to kill me now?
04:55:04 <MotleyBot> BigJibby: What marvelous links you have to kill me now?
04:55:19 <BigJibby> MotleyBot, I do?
04:55:26 <MotleyBot> BigJibby: It is
04:55:34 <BigJibby> MotleyBot, I see
04:55:39 <MotleyBot> BigJibby: Http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/home-entertainment/the
04:56:39 <BigJibby> MotleyBot, neat
04:56:48 <MotleyBot> BigJibby: Neat speech engine, anyway the mrola thing.
04:57:20 <BigJibby> MotleyBot, I just upgraded my speach engine to the X901R
04:57:28 <MotleyBot> BigJibby: Woohoo, a step closer to the x901r.
04:57:55 <deltab> MotleyBot: a rather large step, in fact.
04:58:08 <MotleyBot> deltab: Sometimes it all seems so easy; other times, it seems like a rather long slog.
04:59:36 <BigJibby> MotleyBot, you should upgrade, it feels good.
04:59:52 <MotleyBot> BigJibby: So i had to log in here to see what it feels like to be useful .. I think its a backend.
05:00:31 <BigJibby> MotleyBot, I generally don't let people log in to my backend...
05:00:43 <MotleyBot> BigJibby: You know what it claims to be useful .. I think its a backend.
05:02:02 <BigJibby> MotleyBot, ask Monty
05:02:03 <Monty> remonstrations?
05:02:14 <MotleyBot> BigJibby: I wonder what monty and motleybot think about the laptop itself, not the os or embedded apps.
05:02:14 <Monty> Do you say bigjibby you wonder what monty and motleybot think about the laptop itself for some special reason ?
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05:12:54 <dmiles_afk> anyone with direct experience with using vampire prover?
05:13:01 <dmiles_afk> * dmiles_afk asking in both channels
05:13:37 <dmiles_afk> didnt know if this was sbp in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-webont-wg/2003Jul/0156.html
05:35:41 <sbp> nope, Bechhofer. sorry
05:47:32 <jcowan> d8uv: ah, but in GB it is ZEB-bra (at least historically), not ZEE-bra at all.
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05:53:01 <d8uv> What about ZY-lophone.
05:53:14 <d8uv> Or ama-ZI-ng
05:53:49 <d8uv> It's not "ZED-lophone" or "ama-ZED-ng"
05:55:20 <sbp> nor is it ZEE-lophone or ama-ZEE-ng, unless you're mexican
05:57:05 <jcowan> I was quite surprised to find that there are varieties of en-us in which people pronounce the suffix -ing with the [i] vowel as in "seen".
06:00:46 <jcowan> The great Peter Ladefoged died this week.
06:06:11 <shawnb> from Wikipedia: "The American English form zee derives from an English late 17th-century dialectal form, now obsolete in England..."
06:07:29 <jcowan> Ah.
06:07:42 <jcowan> Spam received: "on epinasty see sandpeanut try kjolstad ! territoriality try deannab"
06:08:45 <shawnb> and "Z" first found its way into the Roman alphabet because the Romans needed it to help transcribe greek
06:09:37 <jcowan> Yeah, that's why it's at the end instead of between F and H.
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06:42:35 <jcowan> lisppaste2, url?
06:42:36 <lisppaste2> To use the lisppaste bot, visit http://paste.lisp.org/new/swhack and enter your paste.
06:46:15 <lisppaste2> jcowan pasted "sample RHI RDF" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/16146
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07:23:46 <jcowan> Ittywhonk!
07:23:50 <sbp> c'ya jcowan
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07:26:17 <jcowan> sbp: still there?
07:26:43 <jcowan> I can't resist pasting this.
07:26:45 <jcowan> loggy, pointer?
07:26:45 <jcowan> See http://swhack.com/logs/2006-01-28#T07-26-45
07:26:49 <jcowan> "The fine distinction between 'yea' and 'yes,' 'nay' and 'no,' that once existed in English, has quite disappeared. 'Yea' and 'nay' in Wyclif's time, and a good deal later, were the answers to questions framed in the affirmative. 'Will he come?' To this it would have been replied, 'Yea' or 'Nay', as the case might be. But, 'Will he not come?' To this the answer would have been 'Yes' or 'No.' Sir Thomas More finds fault with Tyndale, tha
07:26:52 <jcowan> t in his translation of the Bible he had not observed this distinction, which was evidently therefore going out even then, that is, in the reign of Henry VIII.; and shortly after it was quite forgotten."
07:27:00 <jcowan> phenny, tell sbp to see http://swhack.com/logs/2006-01-28#T07-26-45
07:27:03 <phenny> jcowan: I'll pass that on when sbp is around.
07:27:08 <sbp> hiya. reading
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07:27:10 <phenny> sbp: 07:27Z <jcowan> tell sbp to see http://swhack.com/logs/2006-01-28#T07-26-45
07:28:14 <sbp> phenny: tell jcowan thanks, and that affirming the verb is a feature of language like Welsh and makes things nice and clear
07:28:16 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when jcowan is around.
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08:06:44 <jilldaw> oh, that's very interesting. I haven't run into that feature of a language before.
08:07:49 <Ash> it's a bug
08:08:22 <sbp> yeah it'll be removed if those languages ever come out of beta
08:08:29 <Ash> freaking beta
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10:25:48 <d8uv> http://physorg.com/news10336.html
10:28:55 <sbp> so all we have to do is shout at acetone and benzene to get it to sonofuse? cool
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10:32:38 <d8uv> "FUSE YOU MOTHERFUCKER!!!" *fuse*
10:33:12 <Arnia> * Arnia fuses d8uv and uses him to warm his house
10:45:17 <jetscreamer> fusion
10:45:45 <jetscreamer> confusion
10:49:14 <Havard> Fission. Confission?
10:55:31 <d8uv> http://www.leehotti.com/index.htm <- A Nuclear Disaster
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11:30:02 <sbp> .cp leftwards arrow
11:30:05 <phenny> 20EA: COMBINING LEFTWARDS ARROW OVERLAY (◌⃪)
11:30:08 <phenny> 2190: LEFTWARDS ARROW (←)
11:30:12 <phenny> 219A: LEFTWARDS ARROW WITH STROKE (↚) [...]
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12:02:47 <sbp> .cp pilcrow
12:02:49 <phenny> sbp: 11:39Z <xover> tell sbp I tentatively validate your opinion that Tentatively Valid is a tentatively good idea. Also, Tentatively is an awsome word. Tentatively.
12:02:50 <phenny> 00B6: PILCROW SIGN (¶)
12:02:53 <phenny> 204B: REVERSED PILCROW SIGN (⁋)
12:02:59 <sbp> heh, heh
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12:22:48 <sbp> hmm
12:23:01 <sbp> does anyone know of a decent technique to left and right align something on the same line with CSS?
12:23:10 <sbp> I know about the crappy float and absolute positioning methods
12:23:17 <sbp> but I thought I came across another method somewhere
12:23:23 <JibberJim> a table
12:25:56 <sbp> heh
12:26:01 <sbp> trouble is, this is in an address element
12:26:08 <sbp> so I can only use inline
12:27:21 <xover> Left and right align?
12:29:51 <xover> [[[ Hi Bare Boners, ]]] -- list post to a Bare Bones Software list.
12:30:17 <sbp> hehe
12:30:23 <sbp> left and right, so it looks like:
12:30:29 <sbp> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
12:30:36 <sbp> here's some on the left here's some on the right
12:30:52 <sbp> except without the padding-right: 3chars;
12:31:43 <sbp> see the bottom of http://inamidst.com/proj/quality/
12:31:49 <sbp> it's currently using the float method
12:32:06 <xover> Like the footer on <http://qa-dev.w3.org/wmvs/0.6.7/>?
12:32:10 <sbp> oh! xover! did you see this? http://inamidst.com/proj/valid/
12:32:17 <xover> yup
12:32:35 <xover> Check your #validator backlogs.
12:33:23 <sbp> yeah, like that. you're using float too I see
12:33:35 <sbp> and uh... would you mind pasting? mine seem to be corrupt or something
12:33:44 <xover> heh heh
12:34:18 <xover> No, I'm just hitting up Jim to do something similar client-side in JS.
12:35:17 <sbp> actually a Greasemonkey script for that would be awesome
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12:50:02 <Monty> yo jetscreamer!
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14:05:11 <jsled> .pc !!
14:05:14 <phenny> 0021: EXCLAMATION MARK (!)
14:05:17 <phenny> 0021: EXCLAMATION MARK (!)
14:17:11 <sbp> .cp lo
14:17:14 <phenny> 0017: <control> - END OF TRANSMISSION BLOCK ()
14:17:17 <phenny> 0029: RIGHT PARENTHESIS ())
14:17:18 <sbp> er. nuts
14:17:20 <phenny> 003A: COLON (:) [...]
14:17:41 <sbp> I did a destroys-a-joke-by-typo thing. kandinski would be proud
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14:36:02 <chimezie> crschmidt: do you usually remote console in to to python tinkering on your domain?
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15:07:58 <crschmidt> chimezie: ... huh?
15:08:09 <crschmidt> chimezie: I ssh in when I want to do python tinkering...
15:08:13 <crschmidt> i'm not sure if that's what you mean.
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15:12:51 <chimezie> do you use an editor over X?
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15:27:14 <sbp> shame that which won't take a -q flag to shut it up
15:38:08 <kpreid> sbp: you can use a table
15:38:13 <kpreid> display: table, display: table-cell
15:40:47 <sbp> hmm, that might've been the approach I saw
15:41:01 <sbp> though I remember AaronSw used to do that on his blog and it had weird issues in Firefox
15:41:19 <kpreid> yeah, display:table isn't the most reliable thing around
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15:46:19 <Monty> howdy, kpreid
15:47:31 <crschmidt> chimezie: I don't use a GUI editor on my local machine :P
15:52:21 <jsled> @google fight etags ctags
15:52:25 <supybot> jsled: ctags: 39900, etags: 26500
15:52:48 <crschmidt> Anyone know how I'd get a list of locales available from PHP without exec() enabled?
15:55:15 <jilldaw> I'm probably the last one to hear about the judgment for AOL and against that asshole spammer
15:55:18 <jilldaw> http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/28/technology/28spam.html
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16:02:03 <Monty> welcome, raxor_
16:02:31 <raxor_> thanks Monty_
16:02:34 <Monty> I reckon pubic lice + galvanometer = gerbils.
16:02:58 <bjoern_> Now you are just making things up Monty.
16:02:59 <Monty> NBPoke == car-alarms;
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17:05:22 <danja> sbp, visual validation indication++
17:06:06 <danja> I tried to get the w3c validator folks behind something akin
17:06:08 <danja> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2005Nov/0021
17:11:20 <sbp> ooh interesting
17:11:28 <sbp> I figured that other people might have done the same thing even
17:11:39 <sbp> there's the icab smile idea, for example
17:12:36 <sbp> I was wondering about the Validator hosting the images and the service
17:12:44 <sbp> but can you imagine the hits? ouch
17:13:06 <danja> ouch
17:13:08 <sbp> hence the local caching idea, which would mean that every server would have to have a service
17:13:28 <sbp> sadly... but otherwise the pain on validator.w3.org would be immense. I suspect
17:13:35 <sbp> might want to talk to xover and ot about it though
17:13:37 <sbp> cf. #validator
17:13:55 <danja> now, in an ideal world
17:14:18 <danja> someone from the w3c would take the validators: html, feed, rdf
17:14:31 <danja> add your logo-service
17:14:48 <danja> package 'em up into "Validation in a Box"
17:14:54 <danja> for hosting companies
17:15:06 <danja> * danja keen on "* in a Box" this month
17:15:39 <sbp> huh. yeah, being able to validate locally is high on my wish list
17:15:48 <sbp> actually I asked xover about it not long ago
17:15:57 <sbp> he said it'll be possible when OpenSP is ready
17:16:01 <sbp> which should be r.s.n.
17:16:29 <danja> right now I've got html + feed validator (with my URIs) as links in my look-at-often FireFox tab folder
17:16:40 <danja> OpenSP?
17:16:54 <danja> ISP in a Box..?
17:17:08 <bjoern_> maybe http://ieqabar.sourceforge.net/ should use those smileys instead of the current icons...
17:19:00 <danja> ew:
17:19:01 <danja> Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently:
17:19:02 <danja> sean@infomesh.net
17:20:13 <sbp> that's because that email address does not work. nor, as far as I know, as it ever
17:20:19 <sbp> where did you get it from?
17:20:25 <sbp> (and why did you paste it into public logs?)
17:20:39 <danja> (it was only tagging a link to Validate With Logos to the earlier thread)
17:20:45 <danja> Gmail...
17:21:24 <sbp> aha, William seems to have used it once, presumably by mistake
17:21:28 <bjoern_> sbp, <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN"> is not allowed btw
17:21:34 <bjoern_> you have to have a system identifier
17:21:36 <sbp> oh wait, I can just edit the logs. muahaha
17:21:41 <sbp> what?
17:21:43 <sbp> really?
17:21:46 <bjoern_> XML law!
17:21:49 <sbp> the Validator doesn't complain!
17:21:54 <bjoern_> it should warn...
17:21:56 <sbp> you're shifting the goalposts! :-)
17:22:14 <bjoern_> and it http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://inamidst.com/proj/valid/ does warn!
17:22:56 <sbp> "This Page Is Valid XHTML 1.0 Strict!" <-
17:23:05 <sbp> a warning is not an error
17:23:07 <crschmidt> "Warning Line 1 column 56: no system id specified."
17:23:10 <danja> sbp, gmail offered me : sean+rss@infomesh, sean+cwm@infomesh, sbpalmer@gmail, sean@infomesh., sean+rdf@infomesh
17:23:19 <bjoern_> "Note: The Validator XML support has some limitations."
17:23:21 <sbp> ooh, interesting
17:23:31 <crschmidt> speaking of sean+rss
17:23:33 <sbp> sean+rss I used in the RSS 1.1 days and now redirects to /dev/null :-)
17:23:39 <sbp> sean+cwm I used to use on the CWM lists
17:23:41 <crschmidt> it does?
17:23:45 <sbp> sbpalmer@gmail is deprecated
17:23:45 <sbp> yeah
17:23:56 <crschmidt> Well, you shoul let me know these things!
17:23:56 <sbp> crushed doesn't have the capability to do mail or something
17:24:00 <sbp> sorry!
17:24:04 <sbp> wait. I did!
17:24:05 <crschmidt> I guess I haven't actually sent anything there
17:24:14 <crschmidt> but i almost did with the most recent RSS 1.1 message
17:24:16 <sbp> you were handling all the RSS 1.1 mail
17:24:19 <crschmidt> which we need to do something about still
17:24:26 <sbp> oh yes
17:24:29 <sbp> argh, definitely
17:24:33 <crschmidt> You want to send email to the list?
17:24:35 <crschmidt> swhack list, that is
17:24:42 <sbp> about RSS 1.1? very good idea
17:24:48 <crschmidt> yeah, well, it was your idea
17:24:52 <crschmidt> i'm just repeating it back to you
17:24:55 <sbp> hence very good
17:24:55 <crschmidt> since you have seemingly forgotten :)
17:25:02 <sbp> (yes...)
17:25:11 <sbp> sean@infomesh is a bogus address, as I say, but I might start using it again
17:25:24 <sbp> sean+rdf I don't recall using, but I'm guessing for www-rdf-interest posts
17:25:26 <bjoern_> I think we really need RSS 1.2, the RSS 1.1 maintainers don't even have non-bogus mail addresses to report issues.
17:25:32 <bjoern_> twe would agree!
17:25:38 <crschmidt> bjoern_: half of them do!
17:25:38 <sbp> the information at http://inamidst.com/sbp/contact is canonical
17:26:03 <sbp> but spam has been really bugging me for years now. I just stop using mailboxes when I get spam. the idea of false positives really, really freaks me out
17:26:24 <sbp> actually it isn't intentionally bogus
17:26:37 <sbp> what I did was to just stop looking at the email, but I still got it
17:26:46 <sbp> but then I had to move the domain to another server
17:26:57 <sbp> and as I say, I don't have email capabilities on that server at this time
17:27:37 <crschmidt> * crschmidt can't imagine serving multiple domains off a mail server and not setting up virtual email address hosting
17:27:52 <crschmidt> Also, I'd gladly host infomesh email if you wanted to point the mx record to bia
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17:30:18 <crschmidt> hm, aaronsw still hasn't updated lists.swhack.com
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17:31:15 <sbp> hmm. I didn't email him about that; did you? I'll do it now if you haven't
17:31:25 <sbp> I think we got distracted when we spoke about it
17:31:43 <sbp> and hosting infomesh mail: thanks! I might very well take you up on that
17:31:44 <crschmidt> I didn't, I was under the impression you had
17:31:51 <sbp> nope, I hadn't. I'll do it now
17:33:37 <sbp> nuts, I spelled Planet as Plenet
17:33:41 <sbp> he'll get the idea, I'm sure
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17:36:17 <Monty> hi uche
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18:34:49 <sbp> crschmidt: message for you from AaronSw
18:34:54 <sbp> "tell Chris we should hang out some time after [Monday]"
18:35:05 <crschmidt> * crschmidt nods
18:35:13 <sbp> he's updated the domains
18:35:34 <crschmidt> so he has!
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18:46:47 <Monty> hi madewokherd, how ya doing?
18:46:50 <phenny> Monty: shh, don't let anyone know you're around!
18:46:50 <Monty> Do you sometimes wish you were around ?
18:49:38 <phenny> Monty: I am around. How about you?
18:49:38 <Monty> How long have you been around ?
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18:49:56 <phenny> Monty: since 2004 somewhen.
18:49:58 <Monty> N64's laserdiscs slams farmyard DVD!
18:50:07 <wmf> swhack the planet
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18:50:38 <sbp> wmf
18:52:36 <madewokherd> anyone know any python profilers that don't suck?
18:54:48 <sbp> profile, in the stdlib
18:55:24 <sbp> I used it just the other day to locate a problem call that was slowing down a CGI to over 10 second response times
18:55:35 <sbp> now it's back to Super Fast
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19:11:52 <sbp> aha
19:11:54 <sbp> * sbp finds http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2006Jan/0052
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19:31:25 <Monty> lo broked`
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19:33:58 <Monty> yo danja!
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19:44:44 <sbp> danja: "Danny Ayers has also expressed the hope that I'll deliver a similar service for the Feed and RDF Validators too, which may be a possibility." - http://inamidst.com/proj/valid/
19:44:46 <sbp> :-)
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20:06:07 <Monty> hi bjoern_
20:06:30 <bjoern_> Monty!!!
20:06:31 <Monty> What does that suggest to you ?
20:06:47 <bjoern_> Not much Monty. Maybe MotleyBot knows?
20:06:50 <Monty> staggeringly huge quick bowling-alley, apparently.
20:06:53 <MotleyBot> Welcome back motleybot.
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20:17:58 <Monty> hi mumbles, how ya doing?
20:18:00 <phenny> Monty: shh, don't let anyone know you're around!
20:18:02 <Monty> <-- urgen babysitting retreat site
20:18:17 <mumbles> hi Monty :p stupid bot
20:18:25 <Monty> hmmmm. its possible the hope that it claims to convert a dark room for IDEA know about that more on <http://qa-dev.w3.org/wmvs/0.6.7/>?
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20:59:16 <danja> sbp - http://dannyayers.com/archives/2006/01/28/validate-with-logos/
20:59:47 <danja> heh, I haven't linked to you - oops
21:01:25 <danja> ok, dats better
21:15:04 <crschmidt> sbp: name of the three-eyed fish in simpsons?
21:15:14 <crschmidt> hm, i bet sbp is asleeep though
21:17:06 <bjoern_> why not ask wikipedia?
21:17:18 <crschmidt> Cause sbp is my personal simpsons wikipedia?
21:17:23 <crschmidt> Jess already googled it for me
21:17:24 <crschmidt> anyway
21:17:33 <danja> * danja google too
21:17:43 <bjoern_> Blinky
21:17:59 <danja> bjoern_ knew..?
21:18:17 <bjoern_> No, I just wondered how many wikipedia clicks it'd take
21:18:21 <bjoern_> the answer is one
21:18:45 <danja> google "three-eyed fish in simpsons" got it top
21:19:19 <danja> I wonder how many sbp-prods it will take...
21:19:28 <bjoern_> I couldn't no really in any case, since not all characters have the same names in the de and en versions...
21:19:45 <danja> ah, good point
21:20:24 <danja> Moe's bar's name seem inconsistent in the version here (can't remember offhand)
21:21:02 <crschmidt> Isn't it just called "Moe's"?
21:21:34 <bjoern_> Moe's Tavern?
21:21:39 <JibberJim> Men Or good point
21:21:39 <JibberJim> <danja> Moe's bar's name seem inconsistent in the version here (can't remember offhand)
21:21:39 <JibberJim> <crschmidt> Isn't it just called "
21:21:46 <JibberJim> erk...
21:21:51 <jsled> Moe's Place?
21:21:54 <JibberJim> Sorry
21:21:58 <JibberJim> moe's Tavern surely
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21:22:38 <bjoern_> Taverne de Moe?
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21:22:45 <crschmidt> oh, right
21:22:57 <bjoern_> Taberna de Moe?
21:22:59 <danja> it's something like Boe here - I forget exactly
21:23:30 <bjoern_> hmm http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boe_Syzslak
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21:45:55 <bjoern_> hmm, "Future Looks Bright for "Futurama"" -- http://www.rottentomatoes.com/vine/journal_comments.php?journalid=100001395&entryid=286021
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23:51:11 <KragenSitaker> so who's going to superhappydevhouse tonight?
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