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00:05:10 <Monty> hey eel
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01:34:31 <maxkelley> weeeoooo
01:34:58 <nsh> acronym weeeooo
01:34:58 <Monty> "WEEEOOO" - wrong evidence extended engine. OS orange oiseux,
01:35:28 <nsh> Monty, what are oiseux?
01:35:35 <Monty> gm all those sorts of Darkness, Dante's Paradiso and there's a redux: http://www.deadtroll.com/index2.html?/video/ossuckscable.html~content
01:35:37 <nsh> oh, birds
01:35:45 <nsh> .ety redux
01:35:51 <phenny> Can't find the etymology for "redux". Try http://etymonline.com/?search=redux
01:36:51 <nsh> Monty, tychism
01:36:51 <Monty> Ittywhonk!
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02:00:02 <Monty> it's Punkcut!
02:00:19 * Punkcut quietly moves out of the spotlight
02:00:44 * Arnia mounts Monty
02:00:44 <Monty> {in a lot more dna with cats than with Web and finding them in 1000$ a term used by chance an Enzo?
02:00:51 <Arnia> err... on a computer!
02:01:01 <Ash> what's a computer
02:01:19 <Arnia> The badger knows!
02:01:27 <Arnia> Tell me badger, what does Monty mount?
02:01:29 <Monty> they'd let devels in overwhelmed communities."
02:01:36 <Arnia> Shocking
02:02:07 <Ash> .acronym computer
02:02:10 <Ash> .acronym computer
02:02:11 <Ash> .acronym computer
02:02:16 <Ash> .acro computer
02:02:16 <Ash> .acronym computer
02:02:17 <Ash> .acronym computer
02:02:21 * Ash kicks monty
02:02:21 <Monty> was really cant see some with our chickens...
02:02:24 <Ash> acronym computer
02:02:25 <Monty> "COMPUTER" - cops obliterated, media plug uses too, example RSS?
02:02:25 <Ash> acronym computer
02:02:26 <Monty> "COMPUTER" - certainly output meaning Python universe the er replacing
02:02:29 <Ash> A
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02:33:52 <deltab> http://i.cnn.net/cnn/interactive/us/0602/gallery.mardisgras.150th/03.01.fema.ap.jpg
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02:34:21 <deltab> — http://www.cnn.com/interactive/us/0602/gallery.mardisgras.150th/content.3.1.html
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02:58:11 <jetscreamer> why do i think that's the army or whatever celebrating
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02:59:14 <jetscreamer> ah good i'm wurng
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04:32:20 <bancus> I am strongly disappointed in the lack of intel ibooks.
04:32:24 <bancus> I thought today would be the day.
04:32:27 <bancus> Curse you, Jobs!
04:32:30 <Ash> whatever
04:32:34 <Ash> intel mac minis! woo!
04:32:53 <bancus> Not portable enough.
04:33:11 <Ash> yeah there's a perfectly reasonable macbook right there
04:33:28 <bancus> Care to give me the extra grand I don't have?
04:33:43 <Ash> Heh heh.
04:33:49 <Ash> why did you think today would be the day
04:34:00 <Ash> everybody said mac minis today
04:34:03 <Ash> no mention of ibooks anywhere
04:34:10 <bancus> There was mention of ibooks.
04:34:20 <bancus> I actually saw no mention of mac minis.
04:34:58 <Ash> what crazy site are you reading
04:35:03 <bancus> digg.com?
04:35:08 <Ash> pfffff
04:35:30 <bancus> Well, sorrrree if I'm a mac outsider and don't know where to get the good dirt.
04:35:52 <Ash> i just read macrumors.com as they cover all the rumors sites
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06:27:16 <KragenSitaker> i just finished scanning vol.1 of the OED
06:27:39 <KragenSitaker> 1248 pages, including the covers, excluding the first few pages from the preface that were missing in my copy
06:28:01 <jnorthrup> oed?
06:28:08 <KragenSitaker> oxford english dictionary
06:28:09 <bancus> don't you mean edition 1?
06:28:14 <KragenSitaker> yeah, the first edition
06:28:26 <jnorthrup> doing a delta comparison?
06:28:35 <KragenSitaker> apparently some undergraduate tore some of the preface out before the book was withdrawn from the College of the Pacific's library half a century ago
06:28:59 <KragenSitaker> no, putting it online. you can see volume 5 at http://considerate.murch-sitaker.org:8000/
06:30:02 <jnorthrup> i could use an rdf version of any edition of oed.
06:30:36 <KragenSitaker> well, you're out of luck with the second edition, unless Oxford University Press decides that's an interesting project
06:30:51 <KragenSitaker> but the first edition is largely in the public domain. up to M, I think.
06:30:54 <KragenSitaker> maybe N.
06:32:17 <KragenSitaker> we just have to get it into a machine-readable form. i think that's going to take some work. the version i have online right now just has the page images as ten-megapixel JPEGs.
06:33:01 <jnorthrup> ten megapixels stands up well against ocr, even shoddy stuff...
06:33:36 <KragenSitaker> yeah, it's about 300dpi. should be eminently OCRable. except that it's the OED.
06:33:38 <jnorthrup> is this a turning point in the age of the ed1 oed?
06:33:51 <KragenSitaker> no, although it is a turning point in its history
06:33:54 <KragenSitaker> that I'm putting it online
06:34:02 <KragenSitaker> being the OED poses some problems for OCR:
06:34:58 <KragenSitaker> (1) every entry contains at least six or eight different fonts; (2) the font information is semantically important and should not be thrown away; (3) one of the fonts is a made-up phonetic alphabet containing characters not found elsewhere; (4) the etymologies often include words written in Greek, Hebrew, or Arabic scripts.
06:35:57 <KragenSitaker> oh, and (5) a lot of the bulk of the OED is citations of word uses, which are generally quite old and spelled in nonstandard ways, so you can't do the usual OCR tricks of using a dictionary to help with ambiguous words.
06:36:19 <KragenSitaker> abbyy is going to do its best, and it's done remarkably well so far, but it isn't going to solve the OCR problem for the OED.
06:37:30 <jnorthrup> k.. i could use rdf version of any edition of any english dictionary. im thinking mcbride's simplified english is a good starting point to add to my exsiting levin verb table of verb meanings
06:38:12 <KragenSitaker> have you looked at web1913? it seems like that will contain most of the common words
06:38:20 <KragenSitaker> and it's already in the public domain and in digital form
06:38:33 <KragenSitaker> except for some of the etymology information
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06:43:04 <jnorthrup> web1913 has a dead link :(
06:43:55 * jnorthrup fires up the torrent search
06:46:51 <KragenSitaker> it's not big enough to justify a torrent
06:47:02 <KragenSitaker> i'm sure you'll find it online somewhere. maybe gcide or dict.org?
06:47:08 <KragenSitaker> or debian
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06:56:46 <jnorthrup> it's quite a mess presently
07:02:59 <KragenSitaker> web1913?
07:03:04 <KragenSitaker> is quite a mess?
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07:18:17 <sbp> woohoo! "Homer Simpson trumps US Constitution in awareness poll" - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4761294.stm
07:20:23 <sbp> cool: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/staffordshire/4758808.stm
07:20:35 <sbp> ("Bishops to live on minimum wage" (voluntarily))
07:22:43 <Ash> hi sbp
07:22:45 <Ash> what's up
07:23:09 <sbp> yo Ash
07:23:15 <sbp> just reading news and whatnot. well, as you can see
07:23:18 <Ash> man
07:23:25 <Ash> i'm reading old acheood strips
07:23:41 <Ash> achewood
07:23:42 <Ash> damn i can't type
07:23:53 <KragenSitaker> sweet, looks like volume 1 of the OED is uploading to http://www.archive.org/details/oed01arch
07:26:45 <sbp> "Achewood is a modern-day chronicler of small ideas and filth, if you really must know" - http://peterhcropes.blogspot.com/2005/12/last-ditch-publisher.html
07:26:57 <sbp> KragenSitaker: the whole thing?
07:27:53 <KragenSitaker> yes, the whole volume 1
07:27:55 <KragenSitaker> A and B
07:28:02 <KragenSitaker> first edition, from 1888
07:28:59 <sbp> you already have a later volume, right? how many are out now?
07:29:02 <sbp> this is the second?
07:29:14 * sbp wonders why they're not being done in order
07:29:42 <Ash> sbp
07:29:44 <Ash> http://achewood.com/index.php?date=04182002
07:29:51 <Ash> i want a ray-on-a-stick
07:30:00 <sbp> bwahahaha. yeah, that was a good one
07:30:11 <KragenSitaker> yeah, this is the second
07:30:23 <KragenSitaker> uploading may take a while though
07:32:10 <KragenSitaker> i may have mentioned here that i finally obtained a full first edition on friday
07:32:18 <KragenSitaker> so at last i can start scanning it
07:33:13 <Ash> oh shit
07:33:13 <Ash> sbp
07:33:15 <Ash> http://achewood.com/index.php?date=05022002
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08:32:58 <est> :)
08:33:40 <KragenSitaker> hi
08:35:50 <KragenSitaker> see you tomorrow
08:35:52 <KragenSitaker> um later today
08:36:21 <KragenSitaker> have a bit of a sore throat. i'll try not to put saliva on you.
08:37:08 <est> eep
08:37:13 <est> eta for 2morrow?
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11:38:57 <tav> rehi all
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12:41:28 <Monty> sbp: You asked me to remind you that b01ng
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13:26:30 <Monty> howdy, libby
13:27:06 <libby> howdy howdy
13:28:12 <BeHappy_> uhm.. someone can advise me a decent php forum that is not a piece of swiss cheese as holes?
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13:29:57 <Monty> yo Ash!
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15:08:44 <jsled> .pc «»
15:08:49 <phenny> exceptions.UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xc2 in position 66: ordinal not in range(128)
15:08:59 <jsled> .cp «»
15:09:01 <phenny> Sorry, no results found for '\xc2\xab\xc2\xbb'.
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15:34:13 <Monty> howdy, shawnb
15:34:46 <shawnb> Hi Monty, having fun today?
15:34:48 <Monty> Care to extensive blog coverage :-)
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16:09:12 <jcowan> @echo john
16:09:12 <supybot> john
16:09:21 <crschmidt> @echo cowman
16:09:23 <supybot> cowman
16:09:31 <crschmidt> (Good morning, jcowan)
16:09:50 <jcowan> What ho, it is a crschmidt, sheepman extraordinare!
16:10:33 * sbp wonders what nicknames crschmidt had at school
16:10:38 * sbp waves to jcowan, crschmidt
16:10:48 * clsn waves too, since it seems so popular.
16:10:55 <sbp> and anyone else who wants to be recipitive of said wave
16:10:55 * kpreid waives.
16:10:59 <sbp> incl. clsn and kpreid
16:11:03 * crschmidt waves to clsn, kpreid, sbp, jcowan, himself
16:11:07 * jcowan waves to sbp, brightly, brightly and with beauty.
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16:11:42 <crschmidt> Anyone feel like listening to ramblings on scraping content into openguides?
16:11:52 <jcowan> Indeederoo.
16:12:19 <clsn> I mustn't stay long; need to head out to Brooklyn today. Check out http://dogfeathers.com/java/hyperstar.html if, like me, you think 4D polytopes are cool. And the rest of his site.
16:12:24 <crschmidt> Okay, so there's a decent website with many thousands of phone-book style listings, categorized by town and type.
16:12:31 <crschmidt> In the Boston metro area.
16:13:00 <jcowan> aka The Hub
16:13:07 <clsn> sbp: Got the letters for Klingon into Marin, numbers through 8. Sorta. As in, acceptably, but I really intend to re-analyze the shapes and find common elements I can re-use and unify the stupid alphabet.
16:13:14 <crschmidt> For the past couple months, I've been regularly pulling in relevant content from these guides and placing it into the Open Guide to Boston. The result of this is that the guide gets numerous google hits, usually to pages something like http://boston.openguides.org/?St_Patrick's_Parish_Rectory
16:13:33 <clsn> Also am receiving scans of Bell's Inaugural Edition of Visible Speech stuff, to put up soon. OK, I'm done.
16:13:54 <crschmidt> However, I fear that by doing this, I may be discouraging users from using the Open Guide to Boston, because many (approximately 80%) of the 'nodes' on the site are empty.
16:13:54 <sbp> numbers through 8? what's up with 9? or... how are Klingon numbers composed?
16:14:09 <jsled> 7 ate 9.
16:14:41 <clsn> Just haven't started 9 yet. The numbers are at least as stupid and ugly as the rest of the character set.
16:14:42 <jsled> In true Klingon fashion, after a long and glorious fight where 9 died with honor.
16:15:11 <clsn> Yeah, by rights, it would be cooler if it was a non-decimal system blah blah blah... but it isn't that cool.
16:15:31 <crschmidt> From each page, there is a link in the sidebar, titled http://boston.openguides.org/?How_To_Get_Started -- with some thoughts on what you can do to improve the guide, by helping out edits, which pages are most hit upon but have no content, etc.
16:16:01 <clsn> (i.e. don't download Marin, the new stuf isn't in it yet. I'm keeping you apprised as to what I'm working on, because you are one of the few people interested)
16:16:21 <crschmidt> Is using this kind of technique -- prefilling the guide with addresses and phone numbers for many places -- something that you feel is acceptable, given the level of content, and the fact that this makes later edits easier...
16:16:42 <crschmidt> or should I not bother to contniue scraping things like retail stores and so on into the guide, because I'm making it seem unused by having such a large percentage of empty nodes?
16:17:04 <crschmidt> Note that there have already been several edits to nodes in the "Churches" category by the pastors of those churches, who presumably arrived via word of mouth or Google
16:17:16 * jcowan still thinks the alphabet was designed to be written using carved potato stamps.
16:17:30 <crschmidt> and that I am working, wherever i can, to fill in content for places I visit, but I simply can't expect to visit all 8500 places that are currently listed in the guide
16:18:04 <crschmidt> Or even to google them and find relevant information to add
16:20:42 <jcowan> I'd say scrape. That's pretty much what Google does with local lookups; you get the phone directory at least, and more if available in the general index.
16:20:48 <jcowan> "foo near <zip>"
16:21:10 * crschmidt nods
16:21:37 <crschmidt> But on Google, you can't edit your results, and my goal here is not to provide a comprehensive directory, but a comprehensive *useful* directory, by attempting to get other users to help contribute.
16:22:35 <clsn> Does your directory have some *minimal* usefulness with just scraped data?
16:22:48 <crschmidt> Name, Category, Phone number, and a google map
16:22:57 <crschmidt> So, I'd say yes.
16:23:13 <crschmidt> http://boston.openguides.org/?St_Patrick's_Parish_Rectory is an example.
16:23:31 <clsn> Then you are adding something. Put words of encouragement to your user-base to improve and describe and scrape away.
16:25:07 <jcowan> +1
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16:25:28 * crschmidt nods.
16:26:23 <clsn> OK, I'm off to the holy city of Brooklyn. Later!
16:26:24 <crschmidt> Mostly, I'm concerned about looking like a spam/advertising trap. Googling most of these places comes up with so many results for horrible horrible yellow pages results plastered with advertisements in an attempt to make money off the fact that yellow pages listings can't be copyrighted in the US (no database protection, so only creative efforts are protected)
16:26:43 <crschmidt> But since the Guide has no advertising, and is obviously a wiki, hopefully that won't be the case.
16:26:43 <sbp> so don't add adverts :-)
16:27:12 <sbp> c'ya clsn
16:27:49 <sbp> crschmidt: only edits to the church sections? any others by "authoritative" folk?
16:27:52 <jcowan> s/yellow/white
16:28:06 <jcowan> Yellow pages can be and are copyrighted; they are full of "creative efforts" aka ads.
16:28:25 <crschmidt> jcowan: Commercial whitepages, then.
16:28:55 <crschmidt> jcowan: I don't think of whitepages as containing the numbers of businesses: The "listings" added onto Yellow Pages was meant to designate that I meant only the numbers and addresses, rather than the creative stuff.
16:29:26 <crschmidt> sbp: there was one other, but Churches are one of the biggies that i scraped everything I could in about a month ago
16:29:29 <jcowan> NYC used to have separate commercial and residential white pages sections, but has now given that up.
16:29:37 <crschmidt> and are just starting now to filter to the top of Google searches.
16:29:52 <kandinski> in Spain it might be illegal to spider those for any use
16:29:59 <crschmidt> kandinski: yes.
16:30:03 <crschmidt> And in most of the EU, I believe
16:30:04 <kandinski> databases have strong copyright protection under the EUCD
16:30:09 <crschmidt> Database protection rights, blah blah blah
16:30:11 <kandinski> right, that was coming
16:30:13 <crschmidt> But I'm not in Spain :)
16:30:19 <kandinski> well, I have had an idea
16:30:34 <jcowan> Lie down until it goes away, then.
16:31:04 <jcowan> Sucky headline of the day: "Body hardens line on climate change"
16:31:31 <crschmidt> You can see from the bottom graph on http://boston.openguides.org/stats/ -- the day that 1.2k nodes were added (near the beginning of 2006) was the day that I added all the churches I could find
16:32:36 <kandinski> jcowan: don't bash on me
16:33:35 <sbp> yeah. no results
16:33:36 <sbp> http://www.bash.org/?search=kandinski&sort=0&show=25
16:33:45 <kandinski> fuck you too, but nicely
16:33:48 <sbp> :-)
16:33:53 * sbp deserves it
16:35:24 * jcowan is not bashing anyone, and thinks bash.org should be about bash(1).
16:36:22 <sbp> that's bash.net
16:36:28 <sbp> ooh, they should have a .man extension
16:36:36 <sbp> er, TLD. extension? anyway, for man pages
16:36:47 <crschmidt> do numbers for man have any kind of significance?
16:37:11 <kpreid> Yes.
16:37:19 <jsled> yup. they're the various sections of the manual.
16:38:30 <sbp> "Pages are traditionally referred to using the notation "page_name(section)", for example, ftp(1)." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man_page
16:38:37 <jcowan> 1 is command-line commands, 2 is system calls, 3 is system library routines, others vary.
16:38:53 <jcowan> Thus kill(1) is the kill command, kill(2) is the kill system call that kill(1) uses.
16:39:12 <sbp> (cf. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man_page#Manual_sections)
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17:12:46 <Monty> Thank goodness, jetscreamer is back!
17:12:48 <phenny> Be quiet, Monty.
17:12:50 <Monty> "memory stick micro m2"???
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17:28:21 <jcowan> sbp: can you browse the OED for an obscure word beginning with "b" and meaning "to shit in your pants"?
17:30:09 <jetscreamer> 'but i thought it was a fart'
17:30:32 <jetscreamer> damn not one word
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17:34:54 <sbp> jcowan: one problem with the online version of the OED is that it's pretty much impossible to browse it. when you consider how many entries there are, skimming through "B" online would take a decade. even skimming the paper version would possibly take days or weeks to find something like that
17:35:14 <jcowan> Ah.
17:35:25 <jcowan> I thought you might be able to do a full-text search for defecate or some such polite word.
17:38:13 * sbp looks at Advanced Search
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17:38:57 <Monty> Speak of the devil, it's mumbles2nd!
17:39:26 <sbp> searching for "defecate" in full text, the replies start at "call"
17:39:27 <redmonk> hidy ho
17:39:30 <sbp> to feel the call of nature
17:39:58 <sbp> got any other ideas for a word to search on?
17:40:11 <jcowan> pants, perhaps?
17:40:33 <jcowan> Odd that "shit in your pants" prevails in the U.S. even though "pants" almost always means "trousers" here.
17:40:42 <jcowan> Unless it dates back to the pre-underpants period.
17:41:53 * jetscreamer can't think of any 'nice' words to search
17:41:58 <sbp> nothing in b for neither "pants" nor "underwear"
17:42:12 <jetscreamer> butt?
17:42:21 <jcowan> Unlikely in an OED definition.
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17:53:49 <sbp> .pc «
17:53:54 <phenny> exceptions.UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xc2 in position 66: ordinal not in range(128)
17:53:55 <sbp> .pc »
17:53:58 <sbp> .pc «»
17:53:59 <phenny> exceptions.UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xc2 in position 67: ordinal not in range(128)
17:54:02 <sbp> .cp guille
17:54:02 <phenny> exceptions.UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xc2 in position 66: ordinal not in range(128)
17:54:06 <phenny> exceptions.UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xc2 in position 66: ordinal not in range(128)
17:54:20 <sbp> .cp interro
17:54:25 <phenny> exceptions.UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xe2 in position 36: ordinal not in range(128)
17:54:29 <sbp> ARGH
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17:55:40 <jcowan> .pc guille
17:55:41 <crschmidt> what do i need to do?
17:55:43 <phenny> 0067: LATIN SMALL LETTER G (g)
17:55:46 <phenny> 0075: LATIN SMALL LETTER U (u)
17:55:49 <phenny> 0069: LATIN SMALL LETTER I (i)
17:55:53 <crschmidt> .cp guille
17:55:59 <phenny> exceptions.UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xc2 in position 66: ordinal not in range(128)
17:56:04 <jcowan> .pc «»
17:56:06 <phenny> 0020: SPACE ( )
17:56:11 <phenny> exceptions.UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xc2 in position 66: ordinal not in range(128)
17:56:28 <sbp> crschmidt: possibly stab her in the face? I'm not sure what's going on here
17:56:36 <crschmidt> okay
17:56:38 <sbp> clearly it's trying to use the ascii codec to interpret this information
17:56:44 <sbp> and failing like a bastard
17:56:53 <sbp> but note the offsets too
17:56:57 <crschmidt> why "position 67" though? is that the position in the UnicodeData.txt?
17:56:59 <sbp> position 66 is pretty weird
17:57:03 <jcowan> .pc «»
17:57:06 <phenny> 0020: SPACE ( )
17:57:08 <sbp> nope. I've no idea what's going on there
17:57:11 <phenny> exceptions.UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xc2 in position 66: ordinal not in range(128)
17:57:14 <sbp> UnicodeData.txt contains only ASCII
17:57:15 <crschmidt> and i'm pretty sure that this worked until recently
17:57:27 <sbp> it worked until I moved it to bia, yes. *but*
17:57:35 <sbp> there were other odd encoding problems along the same lines
17:57:45 <kpreid> is position 66 the position of the « in phenny's output message?
17:57:51 <sbp> e.g. when she was trying to contact m-w.com and there was a problem
17:58:02 <crschmidt> http://swhack.com/logs/2006-02-26#T16-07-26
17:58:04 <kpreid> .repres «
17:58:06 <phenny> '\xc2\xab'
17:58:06 <sbp> kpreid: yes, I believe so
17:58:13 <crschmidt> it worked *after* moving it to bia
17:58:17 <sbp> hmm!
17:58:22 <sbp> so this is the same problem
17:58:24 <crschmidt> because on the 26th, it was definitley running it from bia
17:58:31 <sbp> namely that this would happen in the middle of nowhere
17:58:37 <sbp> i.e. she'd change for no apparent reason
18:00:13 * crschmidt blames ASH
18:00:17 <sbp> heh, heh
18:00:37 * jcowan blames /bin/ash
18:00:48 <sbp> all such things can be traced to Ash eventually, but I'd like to find the intermediary
18:01:14 <sbp> oh, I have an idea... or do I? no, I don't
18:01:27 <sbp> I was going to turn protection off, so she'd just quit and I'd get traceback
18:01:43 <sbp> but I wouldn't get traceback since her output is going to /dev/null
18:02:08 <sbp> so I guess I need to do better error reporting on the trapping. sigh
18:02:12 <sbp> which is a pain in the ass indeed
18:02:52 <kpreid> output is going to /dev/null?!
18:02:56 <kpreid> you need screen!
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18:03:29 <sbp> well, she doesn't give any output
18:04:51 <jnorthrup> she doesn't put out?
18:05:02 * kpreid leaves to relocate solid H₂O
18:05:47 * jcowan pours an ice cube from one glass to another.
18:09:38 <sbp> awesome
18:09:51 <sbp> Nashe was the first to use "like" in its nominal sense of a liking for
18:09:59 <sbp> "1589 NASHE Anat. Absurd. Eijb, Being wonne to haue a fauourable like of Poets wanton lines."
18:11:37 <nsh> middle english is so fictional
18:12:15 <jcowan> That's Modern English, nsh. Just a bit oddly spelled.
18:12:34 <nsh> ok
18:13:22 <kandinski> fictional spelling
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18:26:45 <sbp> hi phenny
18:27:15 <phenny> Hey sbp.
18:27:18 <nsh> sbp, why aren't you in #esp these days?
18:27:30 <jcowan> Because he has lost his telepathic powers.
18:27:36 <sbp> heh, heh
18:27:38 <nsh> :-)
18:27:42 <nsh> pancakes are calling
18:27:46 <sbp> there wasn't anything going on there, and I was in too many channels
18:28:11 <sbp> .pc «»
18:28:12 <phenny> 00AB: LEFT-POINTING DOUBLE ANGLE QUOTATION MARK («)
18:28:14 <phenny> 00BB: RIGHT-POINTING DOUBLE ANGLE QUOTATION MARK (»)
18:28:21 <sbp> now we have to wait for the problem to occur again
18:28:24 <sbp> and when it does...
18:28:26 <sbp> .eval 1/0
18:28:26 <phenny> ZeroDivisionError: integer division or modulo by zero (File "/home/sbp/phenny/irc.py", line 132, in dispatch)
18:28:29 <kpreid> What is this concept of "too many channels" you speak of?
18:29:04 <jcowan> Freenode gets upset if a nick's in more than 20.
18:29:13 <jcowan> hence we have lisppaste2 here rather than lisppaste.
18:29:15 <sbp> kpreid: Freenode has a limit of about 20 channels per client (unless that's been lifted, which is highly possible). but more to the point, dircproxy has a limit of about ten channels before it goes kaboom
18:29:42 <kpreid> jcowan: precisely. that's why I'm also kpreid_
18:29:44 <sbp> snap
18:29:49 <kpreid> sbp: dircproxy is broken, then! :)
18:30:01 <sbp> congratulations Holmes
18:30:09 <sbp> it's very annoyingly broken
18:30:17 * sbp kicks it in the ass
18:30:25 <jilldaw> dircproxy has an ass?
18:30:27 <jilldaw> disturbing
18:30:34 <sbp> no, it *is* an ass
18:30:39 <sbp> :-)
18:30:53 <sbp> (joke concept borrowed from kandinski)
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18:32:52 <sbp> I keep wondering if phenny was trying to print somewhere
18:33:27 <sbp> she should only print to stderr a few times when she connects though
18:33:31 <sbp> and is silent thereafter
18:35:10 <sbp> er... wait. line 132, in dispatch? that's not all that useful
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18:44:25 <Morbus> SBP PING PING PING PING SBP
18:44:44 <Ash> BING BONG
18:45:58 <jcowan> DINGADONG DONG DONG DONG
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18:48:23 <Monty> hi phenny
18:49:02 <phenny> Hi Monty.
18:49:04 <Monty> DINGADONG DONG DONG
18:51:12 <crschmidt> .w ostentatious
18:51:13 <phenny> ostentatious 1. intended to attract notice and impress others
18:51:15 <phenny> ostentatious 2. of a display that is tawdry or vulgar
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18:58:47 <sbp> .mw champerty
18:58:50 <phenny> UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xb7 in position 11: ordinal not in range(128) (File "/home/sbp/phenny/irc.py", line 152, in msg)
18:59:04 <sbp> .pc «
18:59:06 <phenny> UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xc2 in position 49: ordinal not in range(128) (File "/home/sbp/phenny/irc.py", line 152, in msg)
18:59:11 <sbp> there we go
18:59:50 <sbp> line 152 in irc.py:
18:59:52 <sbp> if self.msgstack.count(text) >= 5:
19:00:12 <sbp> .repres «
19:00:14 <phenny> '\xc2\xab'
19:00:28 <sbp> but...
19:00:28 <sbp> >>> [].count('\xc2\xab')
19:00:29 <sbp> 0
19:00:29 <sbp> >>>
19:01:13 <sbp> so, what in the name of arse really?
19:01:33 <jnorthrup> .pc «
19:01:36 <phenny> UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xc2 in position 49: ordinal not in range(128) (File "/home/sbp/phenny/irc.py", line 152, in msg)
19:01:50 <jsled> .whatinthenameofarse!? «»
19:02:38 <jnorthrup> .w flux capacitor
19:02:41 <phenny> I couldn't find flux capacitor in WordNet.
19:03:00 <redmonk> heh - sbp: we need a .wtf for phenny
19:03:41 <sbp> heh, heh
19:06:25 <sbp> that's odd. I don't get the same strange behaviour on Cygwin
19:07:54 <sbp> actually, apparently in test mode I don't get the same strange behaviour
19:08:34 <jnorthrup> recopmile your libc, what are you on debian?
19:08:46 <sbp> yes, Debian
19:08:56 <sbp> why would that help?
19:09:30 <jnorthrup> gcc and libc are much less inclined to deal with unicode than a windows derivitive
19:09:37 <jnorthrup> the odler you go the less likely
19:09:43 <jnorthrup> s/odler/older/
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19:11:22 <sbp> phenny!
19:11:27 <Ash> ASH
19:11:39 <crschmidt> .pc «
19:11:45 <phenny> sbp!
19:11:47 <phenny> 00AB: LEFT-POINTING DOUBLE ANGLE QUOTATION MARK («)
19:11:52 <sbp> .mw champerty
19:11:53 <phenny> Entry: cham·per·ty /'cham-p&r-tE/, noun
19:11:54 <phenny> Entry: : a proceeding by which a person not a party in a suit bargains to aid in or carry on its prosecution or defense in consideration of a share of the matter in suit- cham·per·tous /- [...]
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19:12:31 <jcowan> Used to be a crime.
19:12:35 <sbp> crschmidt: gonna try it in the same order as the breaky time, this time around
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19:12:52 <sbp> hi phenny
19:13:23 <phenny> Hello sbp.
19:13:27 <sbp> .w ostentatious
19:13:27 <phenny> ostentatious 1. intended to attract notice and impress others
19:13:29 <phenny> ostentatious 2. of a display that is tawdry or vulgar
19:13:34 <sbp> .mw champerty
19:13:35 <phenny> Entry: cham·per·ty /'cham-p&r-tE/, noun
19:13:36 <phenny> Entry: : a proceeding by which a person not a party in a suit bargains to aid in or carry on its prosecution or defense in consideration of a share of the matter in suit- cham·per·tous /- [...]
19:13:39 <sbp> sigh
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19:14:38 <bjoern_> Oh my god, they killed phenny!
19:15:09 <sbp> well, she's logging verbosely to a file now
19:15:16 <sbp> so if it happens again, hopefully it'll be caught
19:15:27 <jnorthrup> .pc «
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19:16:21 <sbp> incidentally:
19:16:22 <sbp> http://swhack.com/logs/2005-12-02#T21-14-51
19:16:45 <sbp> .wn thixotropic
19:16:46 <phenny> I couldn't find thixotropic in WordNet.
19:16:52 <sbp> .mw thixotropic
19:16:53 <phenny> Entry: thix·ot·ro·py /thik-'sä-tr&-pE/, noun
19:16:54 <phenny> Entry: : the property of various gels of becoming fluid when disturbed (as by shaking)- thixo·tro·pic /"thik-s&-'trO-pik, -'trä-/ adjective [...]
19:17:03 <sbp> (there trying http://swhack.com/logs/2005-12-09#T02-14-01)
19:17:36 <kpreid> .mw ostent
19:17:37 <phenny> ostent: definition not found
19:17:59 <crschmidt> I still think using unostentatious is a really ironic word
19:18:23 * jilldaw plays scrabble
19:18:29 * jilldaw wants to spell YONDAR
19:18:31 <kpreid> .cp TAG SEMICOLON
19:18:31 <phenny> E003B: TAG SEMICOLON
19:20:13 <bjoern_> .cp cancel TAG
19:20:13 <phenny> E007F: CANCEL TAG
19:20:56 <Ash> YONDAHAR
19:21:20 <jnorthrup> .cp ý
19:21:22 <phenny> Sorry, no results found for '\xc3\xbd'.
19:21:27 <bjoern_> ENUNQABL
19:21:42 <crschmidt> .pc «
19:21:45 <phenny> 00AB: LEFT-POINTING DOUBLE ANGLE QUOTATION MARK («)
19:21:53 <jilldaw> now I want to spell IIOAITE
19:21:56 <jnorthrup> .pc ý
19:21:59 <phenny> 00FD: LATIN SMALL LETTER Y WITH ACUTE (ý)
19:22:52 <BigJibby> .pc ¦
19:22:55 <phenny> 00A6: BROKEN BAR (¦)
19:23:54 * jcowan is not enunqable today,
19:23:58 <jcowan> . even
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19:24:42 <jnorthrup> .pc E
19:24:45 <phenny> 0045: LATIN CAPITAL LETTER E (E)
19:26:45 <jnorthrup> .pc ♥ﻻ
19:26:47 <phenny> 2665: BLACK HEART SUIT (♥)
19:26:50 <phenny> FEFB: ARABIC LIGATURE LAM WITH ALEF ISOLATED FORM (ﻻ)
19:27:37 <sbp> oh yeah, if anyone can break phenny in the utf-8/ascii way, please do
19:28:32 * jcowan alas does not have a kbd that generates arbitrary Unicode.
19:28:59 <nsh> .ety feasance
19:29:03 <phenny> Can't find the etymology for "feasance". Try http://etymonline.com/?search=feasance
19:29:08 <kpreid> phenny: tell sbp ∑˙å† ˙åππ´˜ß ˆƒ ˆ ∂ø †˙ˆß¿
19:29:10 <phenny> kpreid: I'll pass that on when sbp is around.
19:29:39 <jcowan> .pc ∑˙å† ˙åππ´˜ß ˆƒ ˆ ∂ø †˙ˆß¿
19:29:41 <phenny> 0020: SPACE ( )
19:29:44 <phenny> 2211: N-ARY SUMMATION (∑)
19:29:50 <sbp> boing
19:29:50 <phenny> 02D9: DOT ABOVE (˙)
19:29:52 <phenny> sbp: 19:22Z <kpreid> tell sbp ∑˙å† ˙åππ´˜ß ˆƒ ˆ ∂ø †˙ˆß¿
19:31:07 <sbp> the logs look rad now
19:31:08 <kpreid> in case you're wondering, that's the result of pressing the keys labeled "what happens if I do this?" with the Option key held down on a mostly-standard Mac US keyboard layout.
19:32:01 <sbp> (ﻻ) looks funny
19:32:08 <sbp> I guess there's some bidi stuff going on
19:32:12 <sbp> it looks like ((# in the logs
19:32:16 <sbp> where # is the alef
19:33:30 <kpreid> insofar as I understand bidi, ((# seems wrong
19:33:32 <kpreid> my browser doesn't do that
19:34:10 <sbp> yeah, I don't know why it's turning the cparen upside down
19:34:23 <sbp> what browser are you using?
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19:34:31 <sbp> I'm using the latest Windows Firefox
19:34:40 <kpreid> well, () are supposed to be reversed when surrounded by RTL text, I think
19:35:01 <kpreid> what's wrong is reversing only one of them when they're surrounded by LTR
19:35:13 <kpreid> I'm using Safari 2.0.3
19:35:15 <nsh> .ety enigma
19:35:19 <nsh> g0t b0rken
19:35:20 <phenny> UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xe2 in position 23: ordinal not in range(128) (File "/home/sbp/phenny/irc.py", line 158, in msg)
19:37:03 <sbp> aha! thanks!
19:38:04 * sbp sobs
19:38:07 <sbp> there's nothing in the logs
19:38:14 <sbp> that's not even the same line number
19:38:28 <crschmidt> well, possibly the line number moved because you added the file stuff
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19:38:36 <sbp> yep. it is in the right place
19:38:41 <sbp> but there's still Nothing In The Logs
19:38:46 <sbp> when there definitely should be
19:39:26 <sbp> .eval __import__('sys').stdout.write('AAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHH\n')
19:39:28 <phenny> None
19:39:35 <jcowan> What you need to do is get rid of the ascii codec in favor of the utf-8 codec someplace.
19:39:46 <jcowan> Like when reading from the channel.
19:39:49 <sbp> .eval __import__('sys').stderr.write('You Are Listening to Radio Stderr\n')
19:39:51 <phenny> None
19:39:58 <sbp> jcowan: it doesn't use any codecs there
19:40:04 <sbp> and note that this is just happening in the middle of nowhere
19:40:12 <sbp> I can't figure out what's causing the change of state
19:40:15 <jcowan> There is always a codec whenever character I/O is involved.
19:40:21 <sbp> especially when state shouldn't make a different there
19:40:24 <sbp> er, difference
19:40:33 <sbp> ah, well, that's the point: line 158 doesn't do any I/O
19:40:41 <sbp> it's a list.count(object) call
19:40:47 <sbp> and I've tested that
19:41:04 <sbp> sigh. only stderr is being logged for some reason
19:41:38 <sbp> .ety enigma
19:41:41 <phenny> UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xcb in position 17: ordinal not in range(128) (File "/home/sbp/phenny/irc.py", line 158, in msg)
19:41:42 <sbp> .eval __import__('sys').stderr.write(repr(phenny.msgstack))
19:41:45 <phenny> None
19:42:03 <sbp> .ety enigma
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19:42:13 <sbp> woah
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19:42:33 <nsh> eek
19:42:43 * Ash blew you all up
19:43:25 <sbp> whoo! I think I found the problem
19:43:47 <nsh> tribbles?
19:44:10 <nsh> there has to be a some batteries here somewhere
19:44:14 <nsh> stupid cordless mice
19:44:32 <sbp> muahaha, yes
19:45:05 <sbp> >>> ['\x80'].count(u'')
19:45:06 <sbp> Traceback (most recent call last):
19:45:06 <sbp> File "<stdin>", line 1, in ?
19:45:06 <sbp> UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0x80 in position 0: ordinal not in range(128)
19:45:06 <sbp> >>>
19:45:20 <sbp> Python coerces the members in a list to the type of the string being searched for
19:45:32 * sbp wins
19:45:41 <nsh> yayayay
19:46:06 <jcowan> Never use 8-bit strings. never never never.
19:46:21 <jcowan> Unless you need them as octet vectors.
19:46:32 <KragenSitaker> what if you need to represent UTF-8?
19:47:34 <Ash> ¶••™•§¡•∞ª¡™ª•§∑£ª•∞§¡•§¡ª•¢™§œª≈∂ƒˆß∂¬øˆ∑¥´ß®˙߃¬˚∂å˙ÅÎÍÏÓ‹€°°fifl°„´flÍÎÏÔÓ‹€„ÔÒ‰Œ
19:48:22 <sbp> sadly, they're required to be output
19:48:29 <sbp> so I have the problem of the mixed versions
19:48:39 <sbp> I use unicode strings internally, then spit them out as str
19:48:45 <sbp> actually, I used unicode accidentally here
19:48:52 <Ash> poof
19:48:56 <sbp> now I'm checking for a string being unicode before outputting, and coercing it to str if it is
19:50:23 <kpreid> I wonder:
19:51:35 <kpreid> are there any programming language which represent string (of characters) and array-of-octets distinctly, *and* implement such protocols as HTTP, IRC, SMTP, etc. by operating on arrays of octets?
19:51:59 <kpreid> er, *and* at least one user of that programming language has ...
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19:52:37 <kpreid> it is one type of Right Thing, but I've never heard of an actual ocurrence
19:53:08 <sbp> Â ¶ â ¢ â ¢ â
19:53:15 <sbp> .ety enigma
19:53:15 <phenny> "1449, from L. ænigma 'riddle,' from Gk. ainigma, from ainissesthai 'speak obscurely, speak in riddles,' from ainos 'fable, riddle,' of unknown origin." - http://etymonline.com/?term=enigma
19:53:20 <sbp> there we go
19:53:27 <nsh> cool
19:53:37 <sbp> er, acutally, that wouldn't have triggered the bug
19:53:41 <sbp> .w  ¶ â ¢ â ¢ â
19:53:42 <phenny> I couldn't find  ¶ â ¢ â ¢ â in WordNet.
19:53:45 <sbp> .ety enigma
19:53:47 <phenny> "1449, from L. ænigma 'riddle,' from Gk. ainigma, from ainissesthai 'speak obscurely, speak in riddles,' from ainos 'fable, riddle,' of unknown origin." - http://etymonline.com/?term=enigma
19:53:48 <sbp> there, that would have
19:53:51 <nsh> now fly me in some aa batteries
19:54:14 <sbp> the bug was when she had some non-utf-8 decodable strings in her msgstack and was searching for a unicode string
19:54:16 <KragenSitaker> kpreid: i think that Monotone does what you're asking for
19:54:21 <sbp> phew
19:54:36 <KragenSitaker> sbp: would using UTF-8B solve the problem?
19:55:09 <Ash> utf-9
19:58:31 <sbp> ooh, utf-8b. don't think so since the problem is that Python is trying to do a default coercion
19:58:51 <sbp> in fact, it's not using utf-8 at all, it's clearly using 'ascii'
19:58:57 <sbp> which is even more stupid
19:59:06 <sbp> there'd be no harm in using utf-8 over ascii, surely
20:02:06 <crschmidt> sbp: surely you can modify the default encoding?
20:03:09 <sbp> even if so, it wouldn't do any good: the messages in the msgstack can be in arbitrary encodings, even b... wait, though that's where utf-8b would come in
20:08:41 <jcowan> In general the .pc command is underspecified, since phenny can't know what the user intended by the set of bytes he passes.
20:08:50 <jcowan> It has to blindly assume it's UTF-8.
20:09:30 <sbp> aye
20:09:37 <sbp> phenny: help podecoint?
20:09:37 <phenny> Sorry, no documentation for podecoint.
20:09:44 <sbp> phenny: help?
20:09:47 <phenny> Hi, I'm phenny (http://inamidst.com/phenny/)
20:09:49 <phenny> Commands:
20:09:52 <phenny> Try "phenny: help command?" if stuck. My owner is sbp.
20:10:01 <sbp> annoying. I'm running her with -O this time too
20:10:12 <sbp> stale *.pyo files perhaps
20:10:14 <crschmidt> maybe it's using the existin .pyo somehow?
20:10:16 <crschmidt> heh
20:10:19 <sbp> :-)
20:10:44 <crschmidt> Hm. Just got our electric bill. We apparently used 1540 KWH last month.
20:10:59 <crschmidt> That seems high to me. Is that a large number? anyone have a 4 bedroom condo and want to share their numbers?
20:12:01 <jcowan> Look to your refrigerator. That's usually the culprit.
20:12:13 <sbp> or heavy kettle usage
20:12:46 <sbp> or basement particle accelerators
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20:14:56 <jsled> crschmidt: 373 here last month for a 4 bedroom house in VT...
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20:15:04 <crschmidt> heh.
20:15:05 <jsled> So, yeah, that seems a bit high.
20:15:19 <crschmidt> Yeah. I think it may actually be the fact that we have lotso f space heaters.
20:15:24 <crschmidt> Becuase this house leaks like a sieve.
20:15:33 <crschmidt> So we have 3 space heaters that pretty much run 24/7.
20:15:38 <jsled> reminds me of http://www.consumerist.com/consumer/bill-hacks/triple-indemnity-keyspan-overestimates-gas-bills-157743.php
20:16:19 <crschmidt> (They are brand new, so they're probably not particularly inefficient, but there's just a lot of them.)
20:19:42 <Ash> 3 space heaters
20:19:48 <Ash> and you're wondering why your power bill is high
20:19:51 * Ash rolls eyes
20:19:53 <crschmidt> heh
20:20:03 <Ash> space heaters eat power like a mofo
20:20:10 <crschmidt> It's unfortunately not something that we can get rid of
20:20:25 <crschmidt> Because the house is fucking cold if we don't have them on
20:20:35 <crschmidt> and this is after personally re-weatherstripping all the doors+windows
20:20:40 <jcowan> Bundle up and bundle.
20:20:52 <jilldaw> did you put plastic over the windows?
20:20:55 <crschmidt> Yep
20:20:56 <jilldaw> that makes a huge difference
20:21:01 <jilldaw> geez
20:21:07 <crschmidt> It's mostly the doors.
20:21:15 <jilldaw> "put plastic over them too"
20:21:19 <crschmidt> heh
20:21:23 <sbp> just brick them up
20:21:26 <crschmidt> Of course, having two smokers in the house isn't helping.
20:21:30 <sbp> and live inside the house permanently
20:21:39 <sbp> and have pizzas delivered through the chimney
20:21:40 <jcowan> Consider using some of those stuffed critters that block drafts under doors.
20:21:46 <jcowan> long and snaky.
20:21:53 <sbp> oh man, the draughtsnakes
20:21:53 <crschmidt> because every 15 minutes they have to go outside and smoke again.
20:21:55 <sbp> they're so awesome
20:22:21 <Ash> smokers? yuck.
20:22:27 <sbp> what you do is replace 10% of their cigarettes with joke cigarettes
20:22:31 <jilldaw> long and snaky!
20:22:31 <sbp> ones with caps in them
20:22:34 * Ash plants bombs to destroy the smokers
20:22:38 <crschmidt> heh
20:22:42 <crschmidt> Yeah, I kind of want to do that too.
20:22:44 <sbp> only you take the joke cigarettes apart and double strength the caps
20:22:52 <sbp> within about a week they'll have given up or moved out
20:22:57 <Ash> fill cigarettes with cyanide
20:22:59 <Ash> problem solved
20:23:20 <nsh> or you could use a slow poison
20:23:22 <nsh> like tobacco
20:23:30 <Ash> nsh: hmm, that just might work
20:23:34 <nsh> :-)
20:24:08 <nsh> i heard once that a good way to ensure a successful relationship is to apply nicotine patches to your partner while they sleep
20:24:18 <nsh> when if they leave you, they will suffer withdrawal symptoms
20:24:23 <Ash> hahahahahaha
20:24:28 <sbp> oh man
20:24:32 * Ash cracks up
20:24:39 <nsh> evil pwns
20:24:49 <Ash> <jilldaw> hmm, that explains all these weird square itchy patches on my skin
20:24:56 <nsh> lol
20:25:04 * sbp whistles
20:25:13 <Ash> <jilldaw> it doesn't explain why i'm craving bacon though
20:25:32 <sbp> you can't get pork patches in the US?
20:25:38 <nsh> mmm
20:25:38 <sbp> they're over-the-counter here
20:25:38 <Ash> sure you can
20:25:56 <Ash> sbp: http://www.mcphee.com/items/11476.html
20:26:03 <jilldaw> pork patches!
20:26:32 <sbp> wow, cool
20:26:39 <nsh> kickass
20:26:43 <Ash> eat that, uk
20:27:04 <sbp> oh man. I want a tin now
20:27:13 <sbp> just to check to see if it has "Kosher" written on the back
20:27:21 <Ash> archie mcphee has hilarious stuff
20:27:25 <Ash> you should browse around the site
20:27:38 <jilldaw> oh, man those bacon strips are the BEST!
20:28:01 <Ash> yes they are
20:28:35 <Ash> http://www.mcphee.com/categories/meat.html
20:28:47 <sbp> CRAZY CAT LADY http://www.mcphee.com/items/11377.html
20:29:00 <sbp> JANE AUS... Jane Austen? http://www.mcphee.com/items/11513.html
20:29:05 <jilldaw> Wow, I can't believe I never thought to introduce sbp to Archie McPhee
20:29:09 <jilldaw> I feel negligent.
20:29:12 <sbp> MARS http://www.mcphee.com/items/09500.html
20:29:28 <sbp> DELUXE FINGER MONSTERS http://www.mcphee.com/items/M6131.html
20:29:31 <Ash> this is awesome
20:29:32 <Ash> http://www.mcphee.com/items/11143.html
20:29:41 <sbp> NUNZILLA http://www.mcphee.com/items/10354.html
20:29:44 <Ash> sbp: I HAVE THOSE
20:29:48 <sbp> yeah, this is pretty rad
20:29:49 <sbp> which ones?
20:29:56 <Ash> that monster set
20:30:00 <sbp> sweet
20:30:01 <Ash> V's friend gave it to our kids
20:30:05 * Ash takes a picture
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20:31:51 <Ash> sbp: check your email
20:32:13 <sbp> 'Save 34% on "Jurgen Partenheimer Eight Drawings: Fragments from Finnegans Wake: James Joyce" by Jurgen Partenheimer at Amazon.com'?
20:32:26 <sbp> oh, the one from you
20:32:48 <sbp> bwahaha. awesome placement
20:32:50 <Ash> that lavalamp is very large
20:32:57 <Ash> it's 28' high or something
20:32:59 <jilldaw> heh!
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20:34:15 <jilldaw> It's really fun to visit the Archie McPhee headquarters -- soo much fun stuff
20:35:15 <Ash> i bet
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20:49:28 <Monty> bah, it's eel2 again
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21:02:00 <bjoern_> hmm, "Your mail concerning "$SUBJECT" was forwarded to ..."
21:15:18 <kpreid> Any suggestions for good Perl-style (PCRE) regular expression tutorials?
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21:16:09 <kpreid> Needs to at least cover () matching, and idally not discuss Perl itself (m// vs s/// etc.)
21:18:27 <edsu> perl and ! perl
21:20:47 <KragenSitaker> sbp: i think utf-8b would be a better default coercion than utf-8. i'm not sure that utf-8 is a better default coercion than ascii, since after all if it's the wrong coercion it will give you subtly wrong data
21:21:50 <KragenSitaker> sometimes
21:22:05 <KragenSitaker> but i think these days assuming utf-8 would be a better idea than assuming ascii
21:22:21 <KragenSitaker> since the whole point of utf-8 was to sneak unicode in under the radar of ascii-handling machinery
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21:24:16 <jcowan> Especially when ascii is so picky as to puke on all high-bit characters.
21:24:24 <KragenSitaker> yeah
21:25:43 <nsh> hey man, don't blame ascii
21:25:56 <nsh> blame the shortsighted coders
21:26:31 <nsh> ascii is inherently perfect
21:26:34 <jcowan> http://mercury.ccil.org/~cowan/ascii.html
21:27:09 <nsh> exactly
21:32:38 <kpreid> jcowan: any suggestions for regular expression tutorials?
21:33:14 <jcowan> Get the O'Reilly book.
21:33:45 <kpreid> Yep, got that on the list already.
21:34:21 <jcowan> That answer is complete, assuming you don't need it RIGHT NOW.
21:34:51 <nsh> you can probably download the book
21:34:57 <kpreid> Well, I need one to suggest to a user. I predict the user won't be inclined to buy a book. :)
21:37:26 <KragenSitaker> even if you download the book, it will take some time to read it
21:37:48 <nsh> not if you download it into your wetware
21:38:10 <kpreid> .gc dryware
21:38:16 <phenny> dryware: 504
21:38:50 <nsh> .gc dampware
21:38:53 <phenny> dampware: 21
21:39:27 <kpreid> .gc moistware
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21:39:31 <phenny> moistware: 26
21:39:35 <kpreid> .gc soggyware
21:39:38 <phenny> soggyware: 25
21:39:40 <kpreid> .gc wetware
21:39:43 <phenny> wetware: 390,000
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21:42:28 <shawnb> Does anyone know of a filesystem that doesn't require defragmentation? I ask purely out of curiosity -- OS or hardware considerations aren't an issue.
21:43:07 <jcowan> In ufs, there is no such concept.
21:43:31 <nsh> reiserfs
21:43:39 <KragenSitaker> ext2fs is reasonably good at avoiding defragmentation
21:43:49 <KragenSitaker> wafl likewise generally doesn't get very fragmented
21:44:01 <nsh> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defragmentation
21:45:10 <shawnb> thanks for the info everyone! I'll look into those systems
21:45:19 <jcowan> In addition, log-structured file systems can't be defragmented.
21:46:05 <KragenSitaker> sure they can. you just make a new copy of a file. :)
21:46:45 <jcowan> Well, okay, but defragmentation is usually understood to mean "of the whole file system" and "on the same disk".
21:46:54 <jcowan> Copying everything to another disk does not really count.
21:47:37 <jcowan> The OS/8 file system, which was the first one I ever used, stored all files contiguously, so defragmentation was a frequent necessity.
21:47:54 <jcowan> Deleted files showed up in directory listings with no name but with a length.
21:50:32 <jetscreamer> heh
21:50:58 <KragenSitaker> oh, yeah, the UCSD p-system had the same problem
21:52:09 <jcowan> Also the directory had a fixed maximum size (something like 80 entries or so)
21:52:14 <KragenSitaker> you don't have to copy it to a new disk. you can copy it onto the same disk. in fact, you can make the new copy be in the same place on the filesystem as the original.
21:52:50 <KragenSitaker> iirc ousterhout's sprite-lfs, the first log-structured filesystem i know of, did this frequently under the covers in order to clean out little-used areas of disk.
21:53:00 <jcowan> Huh.
21:53:05 <jcowan> I didn't know that.
21:53:50 <jetscreamer> ooo
21:55:27 <kpreid> Having read <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Log-structured_filesystem>, I have a question:
21:55:39 <Morbus> phenny, tell sbp http://www.prairiegames.com/index.php?option=com_frontpage&Itemid=1 Host your own world server? Interesting.
21:55:42 <phenny> Morbus: I'll pass that on when sbp is around.
21:55:56 <kpreid> What happens when you've gone all the way around? Relocating, failure, skipping to empty space?
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22:04:50 <oxblood> What do you guys use for the channel logging bot?
22:05:11 <jcowan> loggy
22:05:34 <oxblood> Well, is that a name of the bot, isn't it?
22:05:39 <nsh> people need to stop putting alcohol into chocolates
22:05:58 <oxblood> nsh, Yes, I almost got arrested for it.
22:06:20 <nsh> s'evil
22:06:36 <oxblood> jcowan, So the bot simply logs but what do you use to process those log files?
22:06:59 <jcowan> Process them how?
22:06:59 <oxblood> Sorry I am referring to "you" as I don't know who the owner of the bot is.
22:07:15 <jcowan> loggy, pointer?
22:07:22 <oxblood> jcowan, To html format.
22:07:29 <jcowan> That's done on the fly, IIRC.
22:07:42 <nsh> http://cvs.ilrt.org/cvsweb/redland/logger/
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22:08:41 <oxblood> Yes, I can see that from the channel's website.
22:08:55 <nsh> http://inamidst.com/code/
22:09:03 <nsh> http://inamidst.com/code/loggy.py
22:09:33 <oxblood> I see, thanks.
22:09:55 <nsh> np
22:10:13 <nsh> you can ask sbp about anything particular
22:10:18 <nsh> phenny, help ask
22:10:21 <phenny> Sorry, no documentation for ask.
22:10:24 <nsh> phenny, help tell
22:10:27 <phenny> Sorry, no documentation for tell.
22:10:56 <oxblood> Hah.
22:10:56 <nsh> phenny, ask nsh to get a brain, moran
22:10:59 <phenny> You can ask yourself that.
22:11:07 <jcowan> I'm not sure that sbp's loggy is the loggy we are actually running, though. That's always an issue.
22:11:13 <nsh> mmm
22:11:16 <jcowan> In particular, the phenny code is not quite our phenny.
22:11:56 <oxblood> Oh, ok. So who runs swhack.com?
22:12:11 <nsh> ultimately, satan
22:12:29 <nsh> but he has various earthly representatives
22:12:32 <oxblood> No surprise there.
22:12:35 <nsh> (sbp)
22:13:10 <oxblood> So who's Aaron?
22:14:21 <jcowan> .cp yogh
22:14:24 <phenny> 01B7: LATIN CAPITAL LETTER EZH (Ʒ)
22:14:27 <phenny> 01B8: LATIN CAPITAL LETTER EZH REVERSED (Ƹ)
22:14:30 <phenny> 01B9: LATIN SMALL LETTER EZH REVERSED (ƹ) [...]
22:14:41 <nsh> http://www.aaronsw.com/
22:15:18 <jcowan> Bah. All false hits
22:15:23 <jcowan> .cp letter yogh
22:15:25 <phenny> 01B7: LATIN CAPITAL LETTER EZH (Ʒ)
22:15:28 <phenny> 01BA: LATIN SMALL LETTER EZH WITH TAIL (ƺ)
22:15:31 <phenny> 01EE: LATIN CAPITAL LETTER EZH WITH CARON (Ǯ) [...]
22:15:32 <Ash> hey
22:15:38 <Ash> did you guys see the infogami site I made?
22:15:42 <Ash> it is the best
22:15:52 <Ash> http://zamboniclub.infogami.com/
22:20:20 <oxblood> Now let's try to figure out what it's about...
22:21:25 <nsh> Best, Construction, Gifs, Ever
22:21:33 <jcowan> WTF can anyone do with half a ton of UKP50 notes?
22:21:59 <oxblood> Make a sinking ship.
22:22:05 <Ash> nsh: under construction dude!
22:22:07 <Ash> hehehe
22:22:08 <nsh> hehe
22:22:19 <nsh> jcowan, get caught, mostly
22:22:24 <jcowan> Not so far.
22:22:42 <nsh> that, and lower inflation slightly
22:23:10 <nsh> iirc, a lot of the money will be used and hard to trace
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22:42:57 <Morbus> http://eyeonwiner.org/archives/2006/winer-slimes-sam-ruby
22:43:24 <jsled> Yeah, I read [dave's post] yesterday, and couldn't believe it.
22:44:19 <Morbus> i'm still 400 items behind in my rss.
22:44:21 <Ash> mmm slimey!
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22:46:21 <nsh> so what's the idea behind infogami?
22:47:27 <nsh> like a jot.com with less of the suck?
22:47:33 <jcowan> Never try to pronounce Welsh words with "ll" in them just after coughing. Bad Things.
22:47:56 <nsh> eww
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22:54:48 <bjoern_> .gc eyeoneyeonwiner.org
22:54:50 <phenny> eyeoneyeonwiner.org: 0
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22:55:16 <Ash> nsh: it's geocities 2.0
22:55:25 <nsh> hardcore
22:55:33 <nsh> all the best websites were geocities
22:55:51 <nsh> man, i want the old web back
22:58:42 <bjoern_> no backup?
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23:00:48 <nsh> lost it in a freak yachting accident
23:00:58 <nsh> yacht is perhaps the stupidest word ever
23:01:08 <nsh> .ety yacht
23:01:13 <phenny> "1557, yeaghe 'a light, fast-sailing ship,' probably from Norw. jaght, from M.L.G. jacht, shortened form of jachtschip 'fast pirate ship,' lit. 'ship for chasing,' from jacht 'chase,' from jagen 'to chase, hunt,' from O.H.G. jagon, from P.Gmc. *jagojanan." - http://etymonline.com/?term=yacht
23:01:48 <bjoern_> well, it's better in german I guess...
23:02:11 <nsh> jagon would be cool
23:02:21 <nsh> i'd sail in a jagon, no trouble
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23:19:18 * kpreid wonders what would be the consequences if a 'web forum' or similar system where people do 'FIRST POST!!!' were to institute a policy of deleting such posts and any posts replying to them.
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23:39:01 <nsh> consequences?
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23:41:33 <bjoern_> @google fight HTTP sex
23:41:37 <supybot> bjoern_: HTTP: 1060000000, sex: 38200000
23:41:55 <Arnia> ...
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23:59:05 <_johannes> @google fight hemdglonggi hemdgloncki hemdgluncker
23:59:10 <supybot> _johannes: hemdgluncker: 4, hemdglonggi: 0, hemdgloncki: 0
23:59:54 <_johannes> @google fight hemdglonggi hemdgloncki hemdgluncker hemdglunggi
