00:00:32 <Morbus> pritn screen me bitch
00:01:39 * Arnia melts Morbus into the gazeebo
00:01:54 <Arnia> Monty's gazebo in fact
00:01:59 <Monty> oddly, that he has a gnostic text of society and then maybe an E70 for methods of mary
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00:29:07 <bjoern_> soo, that was Final Fantasy II...
00:30:06 <bjoern_> acronym UGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG
00:30:28 <bjoern_> acronym WWWWWW
00:30:28 <Monty> "WWWWWW" - wtf-in-a-box, what, without word What's where
00:41:01 <SethR> Arnia, do they talk?
00:44:18 <Arnia> SethR: Talking is foolish badgers
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01:01:50 <Morbus> thelsdj: just lost battery
01:03:15 <thelsdj> doh hehe
01:04:15 <Morbus> logging back in.
01:04:20 <Morbus> dunno what that'll do to our mission.
01:04:50 <thelsdj> i'm still in it so should be fine
01:05:00 <thelsdj> just group before you enter area again
01:06:12 <thelsdj> ha i finished the mission, lets do it again to complete it for you, was pretty quick
01:37:38 <Morbus> well, it's growing on me.
01:37:42 <Morbus> ;)
01:38:01 <thelsdj> yea, its agot a diff play style, and nice for a change
01:40:30 <Morbus> i wonder if your screenshot worked.
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01:45:14 <thelsdj> don't think so
01:45:19 <thelsdj> camn't find any output files
01:45:38 <Kragen> acronym beatrice
01:45:39 <Monty> "BEATRICE" - bootstrapping exploited arnia that'll raise its changes error!
01:46:27 <thelsdj> new monkey fluids: http://monkeyfluids.blogspot.com/2006/04/owls_14.html
01:49:04 <Morbus> ahahah
01:49:11 <Morbus> that owl one is the best of the three.
01:53:58 <thelsdj> i liked the first one about as much
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02:39:03 <bjoern_> .gc "uncharacteristically large improvement"
02:39:07 <phenny> "uncharacteristically large improvement": 9
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03:35:19 <Monty> bah, it's sneex again
03:35:28 <sneex> chan bot
03:35:30 <sneex> lol
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03:41:18 <thelsdj> Monty: countdown
03:41:19 <Monty> One large one and five small numbers: 25, 1, 5, 9, 1, 1. Your target is 562. You have thirty seconds, tick, tock, tick, tock...
03:41:36 <thelsdj> Monty: calc 25 * 9 * (1 + 1) + 1
03:41:37 <Monty> thelsdj: 451
03:41:48 <Monty> Duh dum, duh dum, duh-da-da-dum! Your 30 seconds are up!
03:41:49 <thelsdj> Monty: calc 25 * (1 + 9 + 1) + 1
03:41:50 <Monty> Oh bugger, I don't think I can solve that one!
03:41:52 <Monty> thelsdj: 276
03:42:07 <thelsdj> lol
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03:43:14 <bjoern_> Monty, countdown
03:43:14 <Monty> One large one and five small numbers: 75, 3, 10, 7, 10, 7. Your target is 933. You have thirty seconds, tick, tock, tick, tock...
03:43:35 <bjoern_> Monty, calc (75-7)*(10+3)
03:43:35 <Monty> bjoern_: 884
03:43:44 <Monty> Duh dum, duh dum, duh-da-da-dum! Your 30 seconds are up!
03:43:46 <Monty> Oh bugger, I don't think I can solve that one!
03:43:52 <bjoern_> right
03:43:55 <bjoern_> Monty, countdown
03:43:55 <Monty> One large one and five small numbers: 50, 2, 1, 9, 9, 2. Your target is 759. You have thirty seconds, tick, tock, tick, tock...
03:44:25 <Monty> Duh dum, duh dum, duh-da-da-dum! Your 30 seconds are up!
03:44:27 <Monty> I found a solution in approximately 104 milliseconds. I found all 28 solutions in about 257 milliseconds.
03:44:28 <Monty> ibot ((2 + 1)*2 + 9)*50 + 9
03:44:47 <bjoern_> Monty, set difficulty medium
03:44:49 <Monty> techno is second and masticated!
03:44:49 <bjoern_> Monty, countdown
03:44:50 <Monty> One large one and five small numbers: 100, 7, 10, 6, 3, 7. Your target is 861. You have thirty seconds, tick, tock, tick, tock...
03:45:19 <Monty> Duh dum, duh dum, duh-da-da-dum! Your 30 seconds are up!
03:45:20 <Monty> I found a solution in approximately 32 milliseconds. I found all 72 solutions in about 228 milliseconds.
03:45:22 <Monty> ibot (10*3 + 100 - 7)*7
03:45:47 <bjoern_> Monty, calc (6+9)*100 - (10*3 + 7 + (6/3))
03:45:47 <Monty> bjoern_: 1461
03:45:50 <bjoern_> wtf
03:45:58 <bjoern_> Monty, countdown
03:45:58 <Monty> One large one and five small numbers: 25, 5, 4, 7, 1, 1. Your target is 154. You have thirty seconds, tick, tock, tick, tock...
03:46:12 <bjoern_> Monty, calc (5+1)*25 + 4
03:46:12 <Monty> bjoern_: 154
03:46:28 <Monty> Duh dum, duh dum, duh-da-da-dum! Your 30 seconds are up!
03:46:29 <Monty> I found a solution in approximately 3 milliseconds. I found all 288 solutions in about 258 milliseconds.
03:46:31 <Monty> ibot (5*4 + 1 + 1)*7
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03:47:32 <Monty> yo jetscreamer!
03:47:38 <bjoern_> Monty, countdown
03:47:38 <Monty> One large one and five small numbers: 100, 4, 2, 9, 10, 1. Your target is 415. You have thirty seconds, tick, tock, tick, tock...
03:48:07 <bjoern_> Monty, calc (4*(100+2))
03:48:07 <Monty> bjoern_: 408
03:48:08 <Monty> Duh dum, duh dum, duh-da-da-dum! Your 30 seconds are up!
03:48:10 <Monty> I found a solution in approximately 23 milliseconds. I found all 23 solutions in about 250 milliseconds.
03:48:11 <Monty> ibot (100 - 1)*4 + 9 + 10
03:48:19 <bjoern_> Monty, countdown
03:48:20 <Monty> One large one and five small numbers: 25, 8, 5, 7, 1, 9. Your target is 940. You have thirty seconds, tick, tock, tick, tock...
03:48:39 <bjoern_> Monty, calc (7*5)*25
03:48:39 <Monty> bjoern_: 875
03:48:50 <Monty> Duh dum, duh dum, duh-da-da-dum! Your 30 seconds are up!
03:48:51 <Monty> I found a solution in approximately 38 milliseconds. I found all 24 solutions in about 236 milliseconds.
03:48:53 <Monty> ibot (25*5 + 8)*7 + 9
03:49:29 <bjoern_> Monty, 0 0 28 72 288 23 24 solutions... is that fair?
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03:49:30 <Monty> ohh, NX thingy
03:49:41 <bjoern_> right
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04:17:51 <jcowan> Ittywhonk!
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04:34:30 <mzeltner> Any C haxx0rz here?
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04:37:58 <bancus> Nope, I got Ds in all my haxx0ring classes.
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05:46:14 <bjoern_> oh no! I'm under attack by were-rats!
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06:13:31 <bjoern_> Kupo!!!
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08:00:42 <bjoern_> .cp ^012b
08:00:45 <phenny> 012B: LATIN SMALL LETTER I WITH MACRON (ī)
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09:42:42 <bjoern_> phenny, "Wir stellen vor: das weltweit fortschrittlichste Apple Betriebssystem."?
09:42:48 <phenny> bjoern_: "We present: the world-wide most progressive Apple operating system." (de)
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09:45:28 <Monty> hi libby
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13:28:30 <sbp> phenny: tell kpreid "<phenny> 012B: LATIN SMALL LETTER I WITH MACRON (ī) | -swhacker:#swhack- entry 12 does not exist" - we had this problem especially with timestamps, before
13:28:33 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when kpreid is around.
13:28:53 <kpreid> hsm
13:28:55 <phenny> kpreid: 13:21Z <sbp> tell kpreid "<phenny> 012B: LATIN SMALL LETTER I WITH MACRON (ī) | -swhacker:#swhack- entry 12 does not exist" - we had this problem especially with timestamps, before
13:29:54 <kpreid> suggestions for a fix?
13:30:03 <kpreid> (a) ignore numbers starting with 0 (incomplete)
13:30:07 <kpreid> (b) ignore phenny
13:30:12 <kpreid> (c) ignore voiced
13:30:27 <kpreid> (d) phenny really ought to be sending NOTICEs for this stuff
13:31:16 <JibberJim> make shwacker and phenny wrestle in jelly until one of them submits and leaves the channel
13:31:22 <crschmidt> a
13:32:23 <sbp> kpreid: I'd suggest a combination of a), c), and ignoring lines starting \d{2}:\d{2}:\d{2}
13:32:58 <sbp> if I made phenny send notices, I'd get 100 complaints within a minute :-)
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13:34:42 <sbp> it's probably impossible to cover every eventuality
13:34:51 <sbp> I mean, if we had somebody called <20> on the channel...
13:35:06 <sbp> then again, you could ignore "^20: " in that case
13:35:35 <sbp> such is the problem with obvious, compact syntaxes
13:35:57 <sbp> another thing we could do is just deal with it. we had this problem last time but it was okay because we didn't really look at the old entries much
13:36:08 <kpreid> bah
13:36:14 <kpreid> lousy fix :)
13:36:22 <crschmidt> sbp: sure, but swhacker wasn't noisy every time someone typed .cp then
13:36:32 <sbp> we even had some accidental chumpings due to the "title (description): URI" syntax, but they were usually fine because of the syntax
13:36:38 <sbp> crschmidt: true
13:37:02 <sbp> a), c), and !^\d{2}:\d{2}:\d{2} seems good to me
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13:37:33 <sbp> I'd also suggest ignoring "^\d+: ", but I have a feeling that people will add spaces
13:37:36 <sbp> don't know why. it really bugs me
13:38:08 <kpreid> hah? I was considering ignoring things *without* spaces to avoid timestamps :)
13:38:23 <sbp> heh
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13:58:03 <Monty> hey JibberJim
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14:08:37 <JibberJim> hey Monty, how you doing?
14:08:39 <Monty> ha i get alot more reasonable, I hear ya ;) )
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14:16:32 <Jabberwock> bore da
14:20:15 <JibberJim> Jabberwock!
14:22:12 <Jabberwock> JibberJim!
14:25:31 <JibberJim> who here uses a calendar application?
14:26:31 <Jabberwock> google calendar rules
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14:27:21 <JibberJim> really? to me it's completely useless - the things I can imagine putting in calendars - flight details, hotel details etc. aren't any use in an online situation
14:27:34 <Jabberwock> oh. lol
14:27:55 <JibberJim> even if the bus you're sitting in when you want the details has wifi and power, do you really want to get your lap top out on the bus?
14:28:09 <JibberJim> but lets face it buses don't have wifi or power...
14:29:45 <crschmidt> JibberJim: I pull my laptop out on the subway
14:29:58 <crschmidt> JibberJim: and I use my cell phone to get online whenever I'm taking the train
14:30:05 <crschmidt> (online with the laptop, that is)
14:30:16 <JibberJim> whenever?
14:30:17 <crschmidt> obviously the cell phone doesn't get internet in the subway ;)
14:30:30 <JibberJim> you don't take commuter lines at commuter times?
14:30:37 <crschmidt> nope
14:30:44 <crschmidt> I didn't say I was normal
14:30:46 <JibberJim> and you've not got GPRS in the underground? you as backward as london over there?
14:30:47 <crschmidt> but I do pull my laptop out :)
14:35:11 <kandinski> Jim, I am with you
14:35:34 <crschmidt> JibberJim: no, no GPRS or wifi or anything in the subway, much to my chagrin
14:35:35 <kandinski> online calendaring is, at best, a synchronising+backup system for many people
14:35:49 <crschmidt> I've always thought that that would be a great moneymaking oppourtunity for the MBTA
14:35:59 <crschmidt> charge $30/month so that people with their palms could get online from the train
14:36:03 <crschmidt> they'd use tiny amounts of data
14:36:08 <crschmidt> so it'd be low bandwidth
14:36:11 <kandinski> there are many people that only get online in two places though: at home and at work
14:36:14 <crschmidt> but the people who want to stay connected would probably love it
14:36:36 <kandinski> crschmidt: the London-Brighton line already has that, courtesy of T-Mobile
14:36:45 <kandinski> outrageous prices too, I believe
14:38:04 * crschmidt nods
14:38:08 <JibberJim> well one of the reasons london spouts is that the majority of commuters don't want phone coverage down there
14:38:36 <crschmidt> JibberJim: right, I agree, but I think that there's enough handheld wifi devices that it would be a win
14:38:43 <crschmidt> I don't want 18 million people talking on phones
14:38:59 <JibberJim> 18 milllion talking on their voip phones?
14:39:01 <crschmidt> (in the Boston subway, you couldn't even if you tried -- you can't even hear the person *next* to you, much less someone on a phone)
14:39:05 <crschmidt> heh, heh
14:39:06 <crschmidt> okay
14:39:10 <crschmidt> i see the point
14:39:19 <crschmidt> but when's the last time you saw a handheld voip phone?
14:39:21 * crschmidt never has
14:39:44 <JibberJim> well there are a lot you can buy
14:40:13 <JibberJim> skype sell a cheap one that talks skype and you can buy a plan that lets you skype roam on lots of the paid wifi here
14:42:46 <kandinski> crschmidt: give people a reason to use one, and they will
14:42:59 <kandinski> I have a friend who regularly uses a wifi pda as a voip wphone
14:43:22 <kandinski> from mooched connections too
14:43:39 <kandinski> it is only about 3.5 - 5 Kbps, acceptable
14:43:49 <kandinski> also laggy as fucking hell
14:48:45 <Jabberwock> Where is this 'fucking hell' place that so many people mention?
14:49:17 <Morbus> this. is. hilarious.
14:49:20 <Morbus> more so if you play WoW
14:49:29 <Jabberwock> Woman on Woman ?
14:50:32 <Jabberwock> hasta luego, yo quiero un cigarillo.
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15:09:33 <Morbus> phenny, tell sbp that i can't find any indication of server splits at http://www.eve-online.com/
15:09:35 <phenny> Morbus: I'll pass that on when sbp is around.
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15:41:29 <bancus> there are multiple servers in eve?
15:42:03 <JibberJim> I'm so tired.... how do I wake up enough to do some work?
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15:43:24 <crschmidt> JibberJim: cocaine!
15:44:05 * Arnia puts on Cocaine on the channel jukebox
15:45:50 <bancus> a gross of bawls
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15:51:00 <d8uv_> Hello
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15:51:10 * Arnia BOOMs
15:51:22 <d8uv> Don't boom at me young lady!
15:54:01 * Ash DOOMs
15:54:21 <JibberJim> I have no cocaine
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16:04:59 <Monty> welcome, jcowan
16:05:13 <jcowan> Welfound, Monty.
16:05:19 <Monty> * kpreid "<phenny> 012B: LATIN SMALL LETTER I didn't i, plus the hoggle, i in touch with it. If it actually see their marketing spiel
16:05:55 <jcowan> Um, okay.
16:06:02 <jcowan> I actually spent time trying to understand that.
16:06:21 <jcowan> Ittywhonk!
16:06:25 <Arnia> jcowan: Don't listen to the bots! They eat your brains!
16:06:38 <jcowan> R. V. Dently.
16:08:13 <sbp> Guha
16:10:14 <thelsdj> blah, started working at 6am, 3 hours later finally coming up for air
16:11:02 <JibberJim> a long hard 3 hour day huh thelsdj?
16:11:59 <thelsdj> yep lol
16:12:12 <thelsdj> i just don't like working this early
16:12:58 <jcowan> [[[
16:13:00 <jcowan> Perhaps the most surprising thing about "vet" is its origin, because it seems almost too simple. "Vet," the verb, like "vet" the noun, is a contraction of "veterinarian," and to "vet" originally meant to have your animal thoroughly examined by a vet. "Veterinarian," in turn, comes from the Latin "veterinae," or cattle, which constituted the bulk of early veterinarians' patients. So if you feel like livestock next time the IRS "vets" your tax return, just
16:13:00 <jcowan> do as I do. Open your big brown eyes and moo.
16:13:12 <jcowan> ]]] -- word-detective.com
16:13:15 <JibberJim> were the papers heavy today or what?
16:13:52 <jcowan> Which papers?
16:14:07 <JibberJim> the ones thelsdj was delivering - he is a paper boy right?
16:14:52 <jcowan> s/IRS/Inland Revenue/ if $british;
16:15:09 <thelsdj> the keys on the keyboard were heavy
16:15:42 <thelsdj> was working in my position as a system/network admin this morning
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16:33:10 <jcowan> Bah. Google Desktop is grabbing Alt+G, and it grabs AltGr+G at the same time.
16:33:48 <bancus> Google Desktop, while a fantastic idea, seems to have a lot of problems with the execution.
16:33:53 <bancus> I ended up turning it off. :(
16:34:02 <Ash> it used waaaayyyy too much cpu
16:35:02 <bancus> I didn't have that problem, but it interfered with other things too much.
16:35:17 <bancus> Like its indexing caused my bittorrent downloads to stop.
16:35:26 <bancus> And there's no way to tell it to ignore a whole directory.
16:36:20 <jcowan> The current version does provide that.
16:36:32 <jcowan> Preferences/Don't Search These Items.
16:36:38 <bancus> It only works on files.
16:36:46 <bancus> I tried to use it on a directory and it didn't work.
16:37:10 <jcowan> If you click on the "Add drive or folder" link it pops up a Windows folder picker.
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16:41:30 <Monty> it's DrBacchus!
16:41:52 <DrBacchus> It's Monty!
16:41:52 <Monty> Tell me more about that.
16:42:04 <DrBacchus> Monty: I WON'T!
16:42:04 <Monty> Do you say monty you won't for some special reason ?
16:42:51 <jcowan> He says Monty he won't because he won't, Monty.
16:42:53 <Monty> poetry's pencil dreams of Micronesian sofas.
16:42:57 <jcowan> That's more like it.
16:43:18 * jcowan suspects DrBacchus of being an "...And Then There Were None" aka _The Great Explosion_ fan.
16:43:23 <Kragen> hi Emeka
16:44:15 <DrBacchus> jcowan: Hmm. I'm not familiar with it, but perhaps I would be.
16:44:59 <jcowan> Eric Frank Russell story about radical pacifist libertarians on the plant Gand and what they do to a warship from Terra.
16:45:21 <jcowan> They have two main mottoes: "Mind your own business!" and "Freedom: I won't!"
16:45:41 <DrBacchus> I see a "and then there were none" by Agatha Christie ...
16:46:08 <DrBacchus> Bah. Trying to add it to The List, but I can't find it.
16:46:54 <DrBacchus> Ah. Found it.
16:47:01 <jcowan> Online in full at http://www.abelard.org/e-f-russell.htm
16:47:53 <DrBacchus> Cool. Thanks.
16:50:09 <jcowan> "Our minds are now enriched by the thought that an anonymous individual may be presented with a futile object for an indefinable purpose when he reaches his unknown destination."
16:51:03 <bancus> who doesn't worry about album art (I already have the CDs to see that! Who can honestly say they listened to CDs on their stereo whilst holding the CD case a few inches from their face, other than when on drugs?);
16:51:07 <bancus> heh
16:51:10 <bancus> that made me laugh
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16:54:58 <jcowan> Well, I do when I want to follow the lyrics, I guess. But then I'm ignoring the art.
16:55:42 <bancus> I think the benefit to seeing the album art with the song is that one can recognize it faster than reading the album text name.
17:20:19 <Jabberwock> jcowan: So what does that statement mean to you?
17:20:33 <jcowan> Which statement, Jabberwock?
17:20:38 <Jabberwock> <jcowan> "Our minds are now enriched by the thought that an anonymous individual may be presented with a futile object for an indefinable purpose when he reaches his unknown destination."
17:20:47 <jcowan> You need the context.
17:20:52 <Jabberwock> what is it?
17:21:15 <jcowan> <jcowan> Online in full at http://www.abelard.org/e-f-russell.htm
17:21:23 <jcowan> The object is a bubble-pipe, FWIW.
17:22:12 <Jabberwock> doesn't make sense to me
17:22:29 <Jabberwock> Or it's implying that live is worthless
17:22:30 <jcowan> Read the story, Jabberwock.
17:22:33 <Jabberwock> bah!
17:22:37 <Jabberwock> life, rather
17:24:14 *** webchick|afk is now known as webchick
17:24:53 <jcowan> What ho, it is a webchick!
17:25:19 <Jabberwock> Did you read that article I pasted on multi-culturalism?
17:25:19 * Arnia begins a catalogue for selling on swhackers
17:25:32 <Jabberwock> Arnia: Did you? :)
17:25:47 <Jabberwock> http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/lamm.asp
17:25:47 <Arnia> No... have had no time
17:26:08 <jcowan> It's rubbish.
17:26:17 <Jabberwock> jcowan: you didn't even read it :P
17:26:19 <jcowan> You'd think Greece was conquered by the Persians.
17:26:29 <jcowan> Au contraire, Jabberwock, I did. Twice.
17:26:35 <Jabberwock> You don't agree with it?
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17:33:15 <jcowan> Jabberwock: no.
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18:00:38 <jcowan> .swhack "tree file"
18:01:02 <phenny> jcowan: No results for ""tree file"".
18:01:16 <sbp> .swhack tree file
18:01:19 <phenny> sbp: http://swhack.com/logs/2006-04-11#T20-40-58
18:01:20 <jcowan> Arrgh.
18:01:26 <Monty> Are you positive they are files on my credit report out some ?
18:01:52 <sbp> I could strip quotes or something
18:05:47 <est> something == naked
18:07:50 <sbp> you're something alright
18:08:32 <DrBacchus> jcowan: This is brilliant.
18:08:50 * jcowan smiles.
18:11:45 <jcowan> How far along are you, DrBacchus?
18:12:41 <bancus> why is that [off]'d?
18:12:55 <sbp> bancus: so it doesn't contaminate later searches
18:12:59 <bancus> ah!
18:13:11 <sbp> she also skips any line with ".swhack" in it
18:13:18 <bancus> yeah, feedback loop
18:13:24 <sbp> so the search command itself won't contaminate later results either
18:13:27 <kpreid> .gc "feedforward loop"
18:13:28 <sbp> aye
18:13:29 <kpreid> So it won't contaminate the results for the next one.
18:13:30 <phenny> "feedforward loop": 14,900
18:13:41 <kpreid> ...isn't that an oxymoron?
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18:14:12 <jcowan> Feedforward is very important.
18:14:28 <jcowan> Every time you catch a ball your brain uses it: feedback would be too slow and inaccurate.
18:14:37 <kpreid> I mean, it isn't a "loop", then.
18:15:06 <jcowan> Not in the CS sense. But it is a corrective mechanism, so a loop in that sense.
18:16:15 <Morbus> jcowan: what's brilliant?
18:16:32 <jcowan> I presume DrBacchus is talking about the Eric Frank Russell story I've been pushing.
18:16:42 <Morbus> got it.
18:16:48 <est> ooh..which one?
18:16:51 <jcowan> http://www.abelard.org/e-f-russell.htm
18:17:01 <jcowan> And Then There Were None, est.
18:17:06 <est> _the great explosion_?
18:17:16 <jcowan> The Gand portion thereof.
18:17:26 <est> myob
18:17:31 <jcowan> F:IW
18:17:44 <est> i hadnt heard of the ", est" version though!
18:18:02 * est like EFR
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18:18:19 <DrBacchus> jcowan: Yes. reading it.
18:18:27 <jcowan> I asked where you were up to.
18:18:39 <DrBacchus> End of chapter 6
18:18:42 <DrBacchus> chapter 5, rather
18:20:07 <sbp> I'm writing an email function for phenny
18:20:10 <DrBacchus> Meanwhile, gotta go fetch the little person from school. Y'all have a delightful day.
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18:20:16 <sbp> please let me know if you want to be added to the allowed senders
18:20:23 <Morbus> ooh, me, me.
18:20:26 <sbp> sbp, jcowan, Morbus, crschmidt will automatically be added
18:20:30 <Morbus> glee.
18:20:35 <jcowan> Allowed senders of what?
18:20:41 <Morbus> for we are the pinnacles of swhack society! <G>
18:20:41 * jcowan loads his slingshot.
18:20:46 <sbp> jcowan: the people who're allowed to use .email
18:20:51 <jcowan> Ah.
18:20:52 <sbp> syntax will be like:
18:21:02 <est> yeah!
18:21:09 <est> you need a like: command
18:21:18 <sbp> .email person@example.com Subject Goes Here // This is the body. [.] is a forced newline. [..] is a forced paragraph (you could also use [.][.])
18:21:38 <Morbus> .email morbus@disobey.com testing mx change.
18:21:39 <est> .like totally
18:21:40 * Morbus checks email.
18:21:47 <Morbus> CRAP! MY MAIL SERVER ISN"T WORKING.
18:21:50 <sbp> signature will automatically be appended, possibly giving a reference to Swhack logs
18:21:52 <sbp> Morbus: heh
18:21:53 * Morbus reverts everything.
18:22:26 <jcowan> Why both // and [.]? One should suffice.
18:23:11 <jcowan> [[[
18:23:12 <jcowan> The Eclipse Project has posted the first release candidate of Eclipse 3.2, an open source integrated development environment (IDE) for Java. It also doubles as a base platform for your own applications, an alternative to the AWT and Swing, and a powerful floor wax and dessert topping.
18:23:20 <jcowan> ]]] -- Elliotte Rusty Harold
18:25:46 <jcowan> http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/languagelog/archives/003022.html <-- brilliant, masterly, and altogether #swhackish.
18:27:35 <sbp> jcowan: // separates the subject from the body
18:27:42 <sbp> [.] inserts a line break in the body
18:27:54 <jcowan> I merely point out that as these roles are distinct, a single delimiter will suffice.
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18:28:16 <jcowan> The first whatsit encountered terminates the subject line; all further whatsits insert line breaks.
18:28:30 <sbp> I was speaking to Chris yesterday about coughing in German
18:28:47 <crschmidt> who?
18:29:00 <Arnia> sbp: Please may I be added to said list?
18:29:11 <sbp> crschmidt: see jcowan's link; Chris Waigl
18:29:13 <jcowan> Oh, sir! Arnia has asked to be ADDED!
18:29:28 <crschmidt> oh, heh
18:29:31 <sbp> Arnia: you sure may. what name and email address should I use? (feel free to [off] it, but of course it'll be used in any email you send)
18:30:21 *** kpreid changed the topic to: "All further whatsits insert line breaks."
18:31:21 <sbp> Arnia: added. code will take a li'l while yet
18:32:12 <thelsdj> sbp: why don't you code something useful? like a trivia bot
18:32:23 <sbp> heh
18:32:28 <est> yeah..or a psychic
18:32:30 <Ash> YEAH SBP
18:32:35 <Ash> DO SOMETHING USEFUL FOR A CHANGE SHEESH
18:32:50 *** Ash changed the topic to: "it is silly to listen to the cure"
18:33:07 <thelsdj> how did i know ash would like that idea
18:33:21 <Arnia> est: surprised?
18:34:00 <Ash> the idea of sbp doing something useful? it is not an idea, more like an impossible dream
18:34:37 <Ash> keke
18:34:42 <est> ash
18:34:43 <est> behave
18:34:51 <Ash> est: HEHEH
18:34:55 <Ash> i'm just being silly
18:34:57 * sbp unusefully stabs Ash in the face with a frozen bungee cord
18:35:10 <Ash> sbp: KEKEKEKEKKKEKEKEKEKEKEKEKEKEKEKEKKEKEKE
18:35:17 * Arnia stabs Ash in the foot with a frozen badger
18:36:35 <jcowan> But what about coughing in German?
18:36:39 <jcowan> And what about the bald soprano?
18:39:41 <Jabberwock> finish the fucking story man! what happened!? what about the glands?
18:40:35 <Jabberwock> Ash: I don't care if Monday's blue. Tuesday's great and Wednesday too. Thursday I don't care about you. It's Friday I'm in love
18:41:17 <Ash> hahaha
18:42:27 <thelsdj> i'm trying to think if i've seen ash be anything but silly in here
18:42:53 <Jabberwock> I haven't seen Ash here so..
18:43:02 * Arnia juggles Ash and Jabberwock
18:43:08 <est> ash can be quite formidable
18:43:17 <Jabberwock> God dammit people always juggle me.
18:43:18 <Ash> >:-E
18:43:41 <thelsdj> <Ash> RED MONKEY
18:43:41 <Arnia> jcowan: http://bin.bash.info/perl/anglish.pl?
18:43:53 <thelsdj> first #swhack log google i find
18:44:30 <Ash> .origin ash
18:44:33 <phenny> First saw ash-laptop on #swhack at 2002-06-01 04:19:34, who then first said 'weeeeeeeeeeeeeeee'
18:44:40 <Ash> .origin thelsdj
18:44:40 <bancus> .origin bancus
18:44:45 <phenny> First saw thelsdj on #swhack at 2002-05-23 22:43:55, who then first said "in the long run we all end up as 'it'"
18:44:47 <phenny> First saw bancus on #swhack at 2004-08-16 02:13:30, who then first said '*the* befunge interpreter for python?'
18:44:52 <bancus> heh
18:44:59 <Jabberwock> .origin Jabberwock
18:45:02 <Arnia> .origin Arnia
18:45:09 <phenny> First saw Jabberwock on #swhack at 2006-03-27 22:08:36, saying 'Does anyone do asm/shellcoding on x86/linux?'
18:45:09 <phenny> First saw Arnia on #swhack at 2004-07-16 04:27:28, who then first said 'Its morning :p'
18:45:10 <bancus> wow, I've been here for a while
18:45:12 <Jabberwock> bitches aint shit but hoes and tricks
18:45:19 <Jabberwock> .origin Evil
18:45:20 <Jabberwock> .origin Thoth
18:45:25 <thelsdj> wtf, 2002 for me? that doesn't seem right
18:45:28 <Ash> Jabberwock: have you heard the ben folds cover of that song
18:45:31 <thelsdj> i couldn't have been around that long
18:45:34 <bancus> lick on the nuts and suck the dick
18:45:35 <phenny> Can't find info about Thoth*.
18:45:35 <Jabberwock> Ash: haha no
18:45:37 <phenny> First saw EvilDJ on #swhack at 2002-04-07 05:57:22, saying 'EvilDJ is now known as GabeW'
18:45:40 <Ash> Jabberwock: dude it is so awesome
18:45:43 *** Jabberwock is now known as Evil
18:46:02 <Kragen> .origin kragen
18:46:08 <Kragen> .origin xentrac
18:46:13 <phenny> Can't find info about kragen*.
18:46:14 <Kragen> .origin phenny
18:46:16 <Ash> http://rowrcolo.net/~aaron/music/ben_folds-bitches_aint_shit.mp3
18:46:20 <phenny> Can't find info about xentrac*.
18:46:21 <phenny> First saw phenny on #swhack at 2004-05-03 16:10:18, who then first said 'hi, sbp'
18:46:42 <Evil> Since this is my first post here I just want to say that squirrels make my underpants dance in the summer acid rain. It's a lot like cremating a jelly fish.
18:46:46 *** Evil is now known as Jabberwock
18:46:49 <bancus> .swhack funge interpreter
18:46:50 <Jabberwock> .origin Evil
18:46:56 <BigJibby> .origin Kragen
18:46:58 <bancus> .origin Species
18:47:17 <phenny> First saw KragenSitaker on #swhack at 2005-10-04 17:08:05, who then first said 'Hi.'
18:47:20 <Arnia> .origin jcowan
18:47:20 <thelsdj> shit
18:47:22 <phenny> First saw EvilDJ on #swhack at 2002-04-07 05:57:22, who then first said "Since this is my first post here I just want to say that squirrels make my underpants dance in the summer acid rain. It's a lot like cremating a jelly fish."
18:47:22 <phenny> Can't find info about Species*.
18:47:23 <phenny> bancus: http://swhack.com/logs/2006-03-19#T01-37-12
18:47:24 <bancus> yay, we killed phenny
18:47:27 <phenny> First saw jcowan on #swhack at 2004-05-13 16:26:48, who then first said "Jon Hanna sent me an email asking me if I'd be interested in joining, so here I am."
18:47:27 <bancus> or not
18:47:28 <Jabberwock> Not EvilDJ. EVIL
18:47:28 <thelsdj> i have been here since 2002
18:47:31 <thelsdj> thats fucking scary
18:47:35 <Jabberwock> .origin "Evil"
18:47:45 <phenny> Can't find info about "Evil"*.
18:47:49 <thelsdj> i remember that conversation too
18:47:51 <Jabberwock> SONS OF BEA ARTHUR
18:47:51 <Arnia> Jabberwock: Think indexing
18:48:06 <Jabberwock> .origin Evil
18:48:08 <jcowan> SONS OF TOIL AND DANGER
18:48:16 <phenny> Can't find info about Evil *.
18:48:36 <BigJibby> phenny, should "trim" the nicks
18:48:43 <Jabberwock> Sweet homosexual methusala
18:48:54 <jcowan> Him, or me?
18:49:02 <Jabberwock> The frustration of not finding Evil
18:49:03 <Jabberwock> lol
18:49:15 <jcowan> Arnia: thanks. Not bad.
18:49:15 <thelsdj> trying to figure why i first joined #swhack is a bit harder
18:49:30 <Jabberwock> thelsdj: You were looking for direction in cyber life
18:49:44 <jcowan> .seen Taliesin
18:49:46 <phenny> Sorry, I haven't seen taliesin around.
18:49:47 <jcowan> er,
18:49:54 <Jabberwock> .seen Evil
18:49:56 <jcowan> .seen Talliesin
18:49:56 <phenny> Jabberwock: I last saw evil at 2006-04-14 18:39:33 UTC on #swhack
18:49:58 <phenny> Sorry, I haven't seen talliesin around.
18:50:01 <Jabberwock> hm
18:50:19 <Arnia> jcowan: I'll pass on your thanks
18:50:19 <jcowan> Arnia: that web page needs a bigger vocab.
18:50:21 <Jabberwock> .origin ^Evil$
18:50:30 <phenny> Can't find info about ^Evil$*.
18:50:43 <Arnia> jcowan: It is working off the moot wordlist
18:50:43 <Jabberwock> Confounded peice of infernal bottery!
18:50:54 <Arnia> jcowan: Message avataar for more information
18:51:40 <Jabberwock> Arnia: Everything that could possibly happen is happening right now in this sea of virtual possibilities
18:51:45 <Jabberwock> chew on that.
18:52:34 * BigJibby passes the salt
18:53:03 <bancus> Yesterday no longer exists.
18:53:11 <bancus> And tomorrow's forever a day away.
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18:53:17 <Jabberwock> yesterday is relative :> as is tomorrow
18:53:20 <Jabberwock> There only 'is'
18:53:44 <bancus> .g "yesterday no longer exists"
18:53:47 <phenny> bancus: http://www.saladltd.co.uk/nlp_tip_55.htm
18:53:58 <Jabberwock> .g "Do you like green eggs and ham?"
18:54:01 <phenny> Jabberwock: http://www.totse.com/en/ego/cult_of_the_dead_cow/cdc020.html
18:54:14 <Jabberwock> .g Jabberwock's lair
18:54:16 <phenny> Jabberwock: http://blizzard.he.net/~jabrwock/
18:54:19 <Jabberwock> !!
18:54:21 <Jabberwock> .g Jabberwock's lair shellcode
18:54:24 <phenny> Jabberwock: http://www.tenebrous.com/
18:54:27 <Jabberwock> damn straight biatch
18:57:42 <Arnia> Jabberwock: No it isn't
18:58:05 <Arnia> Jabberwock: You're mixing a temporal with an extra-temporal perspective
18:58:52 <Jabberwock> What is time?
18:59:47 <Arnia> An entropy gradient
19:00:24 <Jabberwock> Good answer :D
19:00:25 <est> bah
19:00:26 <Jabberwock> What is entropy?
19:00:39 <est> Arnia: so 19th century
19:00:41 <Arnia> The disorder of a system
19:00:51 <Jabberwock> What about union with the Absolute?
19:00:53 <Arnia> est: Yes... but I felt it had to be said
19:01:28 <Arnia> There is no observable absolute
19:01:45 <sbp> okay, I think it works
19:02:12 <Jabberwock> Arnia: There are observable manifestations of it, so in a sense all is observable absolute
19:02:16 <Jabberwock> Or reflections of Absolute
19:02:25 <est> sbp: must you share your personal issues?
19:02:26 <sbp> .email www-archive@w3.org Testing From Freenode // This message has been sent using the phenny IRC bot on Freenode as a test of its .email command, by Sean B. Palmer, on 2006-04-14.
19:02:30 <phenny> sbp: Sent (341 bytes).
19:02:49 <Jabberwock> A thousand drops of water all showing a reflection of the sun are no illusion. Each is reflecting the sun's light.
19:03:21 <Arnia> Jabberwock: No meaningful agreement between different interpretation functions.
19:03:35 <Jabberwock> You must be catholilc
19:03:46 <Arnia> Jabberwock: No, a semanticist
19:04:06 <est> ..and a catholic
19:04:10 <Jabberwock> I've never even heard of that :)
19:04:18 <Jabberwock> there are too many labels
19:04:33 <Arnia> est: A gnostic catholic though :)
19:05:21 <est> beware the Jabberwock, Arnia
19:05:21 <sbp> one extra feature in .email is that you can send to, e.g., org!w3!www-archive
19:05:32 <Jabberwock> The jaws that bite! the claws that catch!
19:05:33 <sbp> if you want to obfuscate the email address. it's like a bang path, obviously
19:05:50 <thelsdj> i think i must have come to swack in 2002 hoping to catch a glimse of the famed AaronSW
19:06:01 <sbp> person.somebody@example.co.uk could be co.uk!example!person.somebody
19:06:16 <Jabberwock> That's f'ing cool
19:06:29 <sbp> (actually, I think uk!example.co!person.somebody will work too)
19:07:53 <Arnia> Can we have some google calendar features too?
19:08:21 <sbp> nope
19:08:29 <sbp> :-)
19:08:31 * jcowan changes his name to Frumy S. Bandersnatch by deed.
19:08:44 <thelsdj> sbp: you don't say that often, how did it feel?
19:08:53 <sbp> a bit strange
19:09:01 <jcowan> Say what often?
19:09:09 <thelsdj> 'no'
19:09:11 <sbp> note that .email used to be a feature in xena. we mainly used it for testing email accounts
19:09:23 <sbp> Morbus reminded me of it just a moment ago when he said he'd changed his MX records
19:09:30 <sbp> I thought, hey, if he had .email he could do testing
19:10:21 <BigJibby> .email com!mattread!lists does this work?
19:10:23 <phenny> Sorry, you're not allowed to use this command. Do 'phenny: ask sbp to add <name> <email> to .email' to be added.
19:10:42 <sbp> .email com!mattread!lists does this work? (no, it doesn't)
19:10:45 <phenny> You have to use ' // ' to start the body.
19:11:00 <sbp> .email com!mattread!lists Does This Work? // Yes, it does. Or... it should do.
19:11:05 <phenny> sbp: Sent (238 bytes).
19:11:15 <JibberJim> eh?
19:11:42 <sbp> JibberJim: hmm?
19:12:06 <JibberJim> Monty, tell phenny .email com!jibbering!jim CHICKENS!
19:12:06 <Monty> JibberJim: Okay, I'll tell phenny that next time I see them...
19:12:14 <JibberJim> phenny, tell monty hello0
19:12:16 <phenny> JibberJim: I'll pass that on when monty is around.
19:12:17 <Monty> jumps on piddling galactical stratosphere :(
19:12:18 <Monty> Hey phenny, JibberJim asked me to tell you: .email com!jibbering!jim CHICKENS! [Fri Apr 14 20:04:57 BST 2006]
19:12:19 <phenny> Monty: 19:05Z <JibberJim> tell Monty hello0
19:12:21 *** bear is now known as bear_lunch
19:12:21 <Monty> also, I think I always goes
19:12:23 <BigJibby> cpanel email filters suck
19:12:41 <Morbus> .email morbus@disobey.com DID IT WORK // OH HO HO
19:12:45 <phenny> Morbus: Sent (200 bytes).
19:12:45 <jcowan> The two Jibs both active at the same time!
19:13:00 <sbp> jcowan: there are three Jibs!
19:13:06 <jcowan> .email cowan@ccil.org Ho ho ho // to the bottle I go // and what of this
19:13:10 <phenny> jcowan: Sent (219 bytes).
19:13:35 <Morbus> heh. i didn't get that.
19:13:40 * Morbus checks new server.
19:13:44 <jcowan> .email cowan@ccil.org Ho ho ho // to the bottle I go [.] new line [..] new graf
19:13:48 <phenny> jcowan: Sent (222 bytes).
19:13:51 <Jabberwock> Peace be with you all :)
19:13:56 <sbp> JibberJim: okay, added you
19:13:57 <JibberJim> .email com!fred-fred-fred!fred Hi !
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19:13:59 <phenny> You have to use ' // ' to start the body.
19:14:06 <JibberJim> .email com!fred-fred-fred!fred // Hi !
19:14:08 <phenny> Syntax is: <recipient> <subject> // <body>
19:14:11 <jcowan> Why must there be a body, sbp?
19:14:15 <JibberJim> .email com!fred-fred-fred!fred CHICKENS! // Hi !
19:14:19 <phenny> JibberJim: Sent (192 bytes).
19:14:30 <sbp> because I'll bet that most of the time people omit // it'll be as an accident or through forgetfulness
19:14:38 <sbp> also, this is the same syntax as xena
19:14:50 <sbp> (she didn't support the bang path obfuscation or line breaks though)
19:15:31 <Morbus> hrm. sbp, i didn't get that in any of my boxes.
19:15:35 <thelsdj> phenny: seen wmf?
19:15:36 <jcowan> Then it'll be all stuffed in the subject and what.
19:15:49 <sbp> Morbus: I had a few minute delay at times, in testing
19:15:52 <thelsdj> bah whats the seen? .seen?
19:15:55 <sbp> jcowan: yeah, which is kinda sucky
19:15:56 <jcowan> .email org!ccil!cowan obfuscated email //
19:15:58 <sbp> thelsdj: yup
19:15:58 <phenny> You have to use ' // ' to start the body.
19:16:01 <thelsdj> .seen wmf?
19:16:03 <phenny> Sorry, I haven't seen wmf around.
19:16:04 <Morbus> .email morbus@disobey.com YHURRY PUP // OH HO HO
19:16:06 <phenny> Morbus: Sent (199 bytes).
19:16:09 <sbp> .email org!ccil!cowan obfuscated email //
19:16:12 <phenny> sbp: Sent (202 bytes).
19:16:17 <thelsdj> wonder when the last time wmf was here was
19:16:17 <sbp> (empty body)
19:16:31 <jcowan> But you need at least one blank after //.
19:16:34 <Morbus> GREAT I BROKE ALL MY MAIL SEREVRS
19:16:35 <sbp> thelsdj: try http://swhack.com/tail/<wmf (.swhack)
19:16:37 <sbp> jcowan: aye
19:16:51 <sbp> perhaps I should make that space optional
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19:17:03 * jcowan whines, begs for his sigs.
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19:17:22 * jcowan thinks you should remove trailing blanks around [.] and [..]
19:17:31 <jcowan> and better yet change them to // and ////
19:17:36 <jcowan> or // and ///
19:17:46 <Morbus> i don't understand why we're using //
19:17:46 <thelsdj> hrm seen isn't very good if it can't handle 10 days ago, or was phenny offline at all/
19:17:50 <Morbus> we should just use \n
19:17:53 <Morbus> everyone knows that means.
19:17:56 <Morbus> it's second natre
19:18:22 <sbp> jcowan: okay, you can use either now, with spaces around either
19:18:31 <Morbus> .email morbus@disobey.com WTF YOU WORTHLESS WHORE // OH HO HO
19:18:34 <phenny> Morbus: Sent (212 bytes).
19:18:35 <sbp> thelsdj: the database gets reset when phenny goes down
19:18:59 <Morbus> .email disobeyc@disobey.com WTF YOU WORTHLESS WHORE // OH HO HO
19:19:02 <phenny> Morbus: Sent (214 bytes).
19:19:03 * Morbus drums fingers.
19:19:04 <jcowan> .mail cowan@ccil.org one art//there is//no less//no more//to do all things with sparks galore
19:19:13 <jcowan> .email cowan@ccil.org one art//there is//no less//no more//to do all things with sparks galore
19:19:15 <phenny> You have to use ' //' to start the body.
19:19:26 <jcowan> mail cowan@ccil.org one art //there is//no less//no more//to do all things with sparks galore
19:19:36 <jcowan> .email cowan@ccil.org one art//there is//no less//no more//to do all things with sparks galore
19:19:38 <phenny> You have to use ' //' to start the body.
19:19:46 <sbp> Morbus: okay, \n should work now too
19:19:54 <jcowan> .email cowan@ccil.org one art // there is//no less//no more//to do all things with sparks galore
19:19:56 <phenny> jcowan: Sent (240 bytes).
19:20:24 <jcowan> Excellent-o, sbp. Now just let me omit the spaces around the first // sequence
19:20:29 <sbp> jcowan: .mail is now a synonym
19:20:35 <Morbus> sbp: can you make it actually send mail now?
19:20:36 <jcowan> (or at least don't lie and say that ' //' is required when in fact ' // ' is required.
19:20:49 <jcowan> Thanks.
19:21:17 <Morbus> maybe you're in my spam filter.
19:21:37 <sbp> Morbus: it'll be coming from your own address
19:21:41 <sbp> it's being sent from bia
19:21:48 <sbp> jcowan: okay, '//' is now the delim
19:21:48 <Morbus> don't matter. it'd be host name based.
19:21:51 <sbp> ah
19:22:00 <Morbus> or IP.
19:22:03 <Arnia> .email ac.uk!dur!j.r.c.geldart Test // There is no place like // home
19:22:06 <phenny> Arnia: Sent (226 bytes).
19:22:09 <Morbus> though, my new server is just content-based
19:22:18 <jcowan> .email cowan@ccil.org whang//dang//doodle
19:22:22 <phenny> jcowan: Sent (189 bytes).
19:22:26 <Morbus> sbp: wanna manually send me a piece of mail?
19:22:41 <Morbus> getting randomly nervous now.
19:22:51 <jcowan> .email cowan@ccil.org what//is///that////horse?
19:22:54 <phenny> jcowan: Sent (193 bytes).
19:23:04 <jcowan> Excellent.
19:23:10 * jcowan departs.
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19:25:28 <sbp> Morbus: sent!
19:25:35 <sbp> (dunno how many bytes)
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19:26:54 <Arnia> Hmm... I'm thinking about transferring myself to the pub again
19:26:58 <Morbus> hrm.
19:27:01 <Morbus> i'm getting crap.
19:27:05 <Arnia> I need to think about how to write this matlab-alike
19:27:20 <est_> maybe using scilab?
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19:28:01 <Morbus> Arnia: can you send me an email?
19:28:08 <sbp> so, something that I keen noticing: often my referers will be bundled together so I get people searching for the same kind of thing in phases. I wonder if there's any reason for that
19:28:08 <Morbus> i'm not getting crap from sbp.
19:29:00 <est> good! you put the fear in him, hey?
19:29:13 <sbp> [[[
19:29:13 <sbp> Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently:
19:29:13 <sbp> morbus@disobey.com
19:29:13 <sbp> Technical details of permanent failure:
19:29:13 <sbp> PERM_FAILURE: SMTP Error (state 9): 550-wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.224] is currently not permitted to relay
19:29:13 <sbp> 550-through this server. Perhaps you have not logged into the pop/imap server
19:29:15 <sbp> 550-in the last 30 minutes or do not have SMTP Authentication turned on in your
19:29:17 <sbp> 550 email client.
19:29:19 <sbp> ]]]
19:30:15 <Morbus> huh?
19:30:17 <Arnia> .email morbus@disobey.com Test // Test test test testes test
19:30:19 <phenny> Arnia: Sent (218 bytes).
19:30:32 <Morbus> sbp: that doesn't make any sense
19:30:41 <sbp> don't ask me, dude! :-)
19:30:43 <Morbus> arnia: that's what isn't working. i want to verify you can send me to normally.
19:30:55 <Morbus> sbp: can you tell what server that's coming from?
19:31:03 <sbp> From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <mailer-daemon@googlemail.com>
19:31:04 <Morbus> that's complaining about smtp auth, almost.
19:31:27 <sbp> that's all I got in the email, plus my own message back
19:31:29 <Morbus> that sorta sounds like a gmail problem.
19:31:35 <Morbus> doesn't it?
19:31:52 <sbp> nope. "is currently not permitted to relay through this server"
19:32:01 <sbp> which ever server Gmail contacted, it's not allowed to relay through it
19:32:39 <Arnia> Morbus: Ok, sent
19:32:57 <Morbus> right, but relay isn't about final delivery.
19:33:08 <sbp> true. but I've not been having any other problems
19:33:10 <sbp> could be though
19:33:14 <Morbus> i get that error message if I don't auth to my outgoing, for example.
19:33:22 <Morbus> not because the remote server is rejecting me.
19:34:14 <sbp> Morbus: sent one from a Yahoo! account too
19:34:21 <Morbus> i'm writing a note to support now.
19:34:25 <Morbus> any errors on that yahoo one?
19:34:50 <sbp> [[[
19:34:51 <sbp> <morbus@disobey.com>:
19:34:51 <sbp> 209.123.149.6 does not like recipient.
19:34:51 <sbp> Remote host said: 550-web37712.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.87.110] is
19:34:51 <sbp> currently not permitted to
19:34:55 <sbp> 550-relay through this server. Perhaps you have not logged into the pop/imap
19:34:55 <sbp> 550-server in the last 30 minutes or do not have SMTP Authentication turned on
19:34:56 <sbp> 550 in your email client.
19:34:58 <sbp> Giving up on 209.123.149.6.
19:34:59 <Morbus> ok.
19:35:00 <sbp> ]]]
19:35:46 <Arnia> [[[
19:35:53 <Arnia> ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
19:35:54 <Arnia> <morbus@disobey.com>
19:35:54 <Arnia> (reason: 550-hermes.dur.ac.uk [129.234.4.9] is currently not permitted to relay through)
19:35:54 <Arnia> ----- Transcript of session follows -----
19:35:54 <Arnia> ... while talking to disobey.com.:
19:35:54 <Arnia> >>> RCPT To:<morbus@disobey.com>
19:35:55 <Arnia> <<< 550-hermes.dur.ac.uk [129.234.4.9] is currently not permitted to relay through
19:36:06 <Arnia> <<< 550-this server. Perhaps you have not logged into the pop/imap server in the
19:36:06 <Arnia> <<< 550-last 30 minutes or do not have SMTP Authentication turned on in your email
19:36:06 <Arnia> <<< 550 client.
19:36:06 <Arnia> 550 5.1.1 <morbus@disobey.com>... User unknown
19:36:11 <Arnia> ]]]
19:36:30 <Morbus> so, it sounds like when I moved the site over, and told them I was gonna MX elsewhere, they removed me entirely from the config.
19:36:41 <Morbus> such that though the MX is pointing there, the mail server doesn't realize it accepts mail for me.
19:36:46 <Morbus> and thus, it's trying to relay it to somewhere that does.
19:37:22 <sbp> I think it just fails rather than trying to send it elsewhere
19:40:45 <Morbus> thanks.
19:41:07 <Morbus> i think i got removed during a previous ticket I had with them, where I discovered that locally generated mail was being bounced not to morbus@disobey.com, but to the local shell account.
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19:42:54 <sbp> shouldn't the outcome of that have meant that they *added* morbus@disobey rather than taking it away? or do you think they were all "okay, screw this guy. deleting his account"? :-)
19:44:10 <Morbus> well, at the time, my MX wasn't hosted there.
19:44:13 <Morbus> This was like a month ago.
19:44:31 <Morbus> So, since the mail was locally generated, it was looking at the local config first, which routed morbus@disobey.com to the local box, not to the real MX from the DNS.
19:44:43 <Morbus> and, in their explorations, I think they may have removed me in an attempt to fix that.
19:44:50 <sbp> aha
19:44:55 <sbp> (AIOCO)
19:45:13 <Morbus> of course, this was about 3 hours before the simplest solution: .forward, was remembered.
19:45:15 <Morbus> AIOCO?
19:45:23 <Morbus> oh, and here's a fun thing.
19:45:27 <sbp> And Its Older Cozen Oho
19:45:35 <Morbus> there's no way i can receive the updates on the ticket.
19:45:45 <sbp> hehe. because they go to morbus@disobey.com?
19:45:45 <Morbus> since the ticket system is local, it'll resolve to the local MX, which is broken.
19:45:47 <Morbus> whee! <g>
19:45:48 <Morbus> :)
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19:46:14 <Morbus> curse me for having the same email address for 10 years, y'know? ;)
19:46:29 <sbp> you must get a satanic amount of spam. what filter(s) do you use?
19:46:41 <Morbus> I get about 400 spams a day
19:46:45 <Morbus> don't bug me much.
19:46:57 <Morbus> my old server was a mix of rbl and procmail.
19:47:03 <Morbus> and then thunderbird on my side.
19:47:13 <Morbus> the one one is SA headers on the remote, and TB again.
19:47:18 <Morbus> which I think I'll prefer in the long run.
19:47:37 <Morbus> for me, spam is like commercials.
19:47:46 <Morbus> it takes less time to change the channel then to reinvent tv.
19:48:15 <sbp> yeah, that sounds like the jcowan approach too
19:48:22 <sbp> SA on the server, and a local bayesian approach
19:49:31 <Morbus> TB can understand SA's headers too, so I don't have to do anything besides check a box to take advantage of it.
19:49:40 <Morbus> as pposed to spend, oh, i dunno, 2 minutes, to make a manual filter <g>
19:50:44 <sbp> I recently reopened some of my old accounts to see if it was feasible to filter them all out
19:50:56 <sbp> it's been hard because the spam:realmail ratio is fucking absurd
19:51:02 <sbp> so it doesn't really train it very well
19:51:07 <sbp> "if you get email, that email is spam"
19:51:25 <sbp> getting there though
19:51:33 <Morbus> hehehe
19:51:40 <Morbus> ooh, i just remembered, i do have a gmai laccount.
19:51:54 <Morbus> hrm.
19:51:59 <Morbus> though it won't let me log in.
19:53:52 <Morbus> jeez, with no email to check, i'm like paralyzed.
19:53:54 <Morbus> WHAT DO I DO.
19:54:17 <Morbus> wanna play ROSE? :)
19:54:27 * thelsdj plays tomb raider
19:56:09 <Morbus> .email disobeyc@menelaus.multisite.site5.com wheee
19:56:10 <sbp> hehe
19:56:11 <phenny> You have to use '//' to start the body.
19:56:17 <Morbus> .email disobeyc@menelaus.multisite.site5.com wheee // I DON"T WANT A BODY HO
19:56:22 <phenny> Morbus: Sent (227 bytes).
19:56:39 <sbp> you can just do "subject //" and it'll have no body :-)
19:57:03 <Morbus> oh, awesome, even that's not working now.
19:57:46 <sbp> I just sent a test mail too
19:58:09 <Morbus> i got your gmail.
19:58:42 <sbp> phenny's email might've just been delayed a bit
19:59:20 <Morbus> grrr.
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19:59:25 <Morbus> stupid hosed mail.
20:00:07 <Morbus> jesus, the time on my zone must be really short for it to kick in for gmail and yahoo so quickly.
20:00:12 <Morbus> and whatever arnia's using.
20:01:06 <sbp> yeah. though that's good from the point of view of getting feedback quickly
20:01:11 <sbp> bad in that you'll miss lots o' email
20:05:31 <Morbus> well, the old MX is still up.
20:05:46 <Morbus> if they don't have an answer in an hour or so, i'll be switching back.
20:06:24 <Morbus> still nothing from phenny.
20:06:51 <Morbus> ah well.
20:07:14 <Morbus> yeah, the refresh is set for an hour.
20:07:37 * Morbus wanders off to play kingdom hearts ii.
20:07:56 <bancus> "Be careful. You know the insides of those have things that can give you cancer." "So I'm told." "I had a friend once who chewed glass in the circus." "And he did of cancer from the chemicals in fleurescent bulbs?" "No, hit by a bus."
20:08:00 <bancus> or
20:08:06 <bancus> that was a huge mischan
20:08:06 <bancus> wtf
20:14:00 <BigJibby> acronym wtf
20:14:00 <Monty> "WTF" - wonder there? fiber
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20:15:44 <Kragen> acronym arnia
20:15:45 <Monty> "ARNIA" - aha rich, none" im appz
20:15:46 <Kragen> acronym arnia
20:15:47 <Monty> "ARNIA" - aha resulting no! implicit and,
20:15:47 <Kragen> acronym arnia
20:15:48 <Monty> "ARNIA" - all... ranged. npr Items. announcing
20:15:49 <Kragen> acronym arnia
20:15:50 <Monty> "ARNIA" - awh report New issues? audition
20:15:50 <Kragen> acronym arnia
20:15:51 <Monty> "ARNIA" - again. roundabout nearby.. instead! aha
20:15:53 <Kragen> acronym arnia
20:15:54 <Monty> "ARNIA" - Arnia relying never infernal audition
20:15:56 <Kragen> acronym arnia
20:15:56 <Monty> "ARNIA" - Absolute? reference numbers intelligent acquired
20:16:04 <Kragen> there we go --- a recursive arnia acronym
20:16:48 <bancus> acronym bancus
20:16:48 <Monty> "BANCUS" - browser apparently nvidia Carlo useful? spouts
20:16:54 <bancus> heh
20:17:43 * Morbus changes his MX back.
20:18:00 <Morbus> .email morbus@disobey.com uh huh // poopies.
20:18:02 <phenny> Morbus: Sent (195 bytes).
20:18:09 <Morbus> RECEIVED!
20:18:14 <Morbus> phenny's quick.
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20:18:51 * Arnia dances around phenny's head
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20:59:26 *** sbp is now known as bia
20:59:35 <est_> :o
20:59:36 *** bia is now known as manxome
20:59:43 <est_> :o
20:59:50 <est_> where be your foe??
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21:00:20 <sbp> heh, heh
21:00:30 <sbp> just registering the nicknames. bia is already taken--blast!
21:00:51 <sbp> idea
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21:01:01 *** biabot is now known as sbp
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21:02:41 <sbp> gibson?
21:03:11 <gibson> Just registering the servers i hakd
21:03:14 <gibson> That's all
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21:03:18 <sbp> heh
21:04:06 <Arnia> sbp: Do you use any IDEs for python hacking?
21:04:50 <sbp> Arnia: short answer no with an unless, long answer yes but I don't think that the occasional (perhaps once a month) use of IDLE counts :-)
21:05:20 <sbp> complete waste of time if you ask me
21:05:59 <Arnia> sbp: Ok. I'm not a big fan of IDEs normally myself, but I want to produce a scipy workbench plugin for gedit
21:06:47 <d8uv> skippy\
21:06:56 <d8uv> geddit?
21:07:15 <sbp> arse. I need to install twisted
21:07:51 <bjoern_> sbp: !!!
21:08:25 <sbp> OH YAY IT'S ASKING ME TO INSTALL ZOPE CRAP
21:08:33 <sbp> hand me my barge pole, sir
21:08:40 <est> sbp: everyone neeeeds z objects
21:08:48 * sbp slays est utterly
21:09:14 <sbp> this is all Kragen's fault, originally
21:09:31 <bjoern_> .wik ZOPE
21:09:35 <phenny> "Zope is an open-source object oriented web application server written in the programming language Python." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zope
21:12:21 <Arnia> Zope3 is nice
21:12:36 * Arnia defies anyone to argue
21:12:47 <est> doesnt bother
21:13:53 <sbp> totally destroying this
21:14:19 <Ash> totally destroying YOU
21:14:36 <sbp> so I install the Zope rubbish into /home/sbp/local
21:14:39 <sbp> but this doesn't work:
21:14:39 <sbp> sbp@manxome:~/packages/TwistedSumo-2006-02-12$ PYTHONPATH=/home/sbp/local python setup.py install --prefix=/home/sbp/local --install-lib=/home/sbp/local
21:14:42 <sbp> any ideas, anyone?
21:14:52 <d8uv> Don't use Zope
21:15:04 <sbp> that is a very sensible suggestion
21:15:07 <bjoern_> it's fairly twisted, just what you want.
21:16:22 <sbp> somehow I got it to work
21:16:36 <sbp> needed /home/sbp/local/lib/python2.4/lib/site-packages (but of course!)
21:19:22 <sbp> minus that extra "/lib"
21:19:32 <Ash> BLIMB
21:22:07 <d8uv> /home/sbp/bin/lib/usr/src/lib/bin/
21:23:36 <sbp> yeah
21:25:45 <sbp> okay, there. yay
21:25:50 <sbp> got two refererbots working
21:35:25 <bjoern_> .w cider
21:35:28 <phenny> cider 1. a beverage made from juice pressed from apples
21:35:47 <Ash> cider 1. a beverage that is TOTALLY AWESOME
21:36:21 <bjoern_> ,w TOTALLY AWESOME
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21:40:56 <sbp> ZOMG. new Firefox, auto installing itself
21:41:04 <Ash> yeah that's rad
21:50:03 <bjoern_> .w draft
21:50:05 <phenny> draft 1. a document ordering the payment of money
21:50:09 <phenny> draft 2. a current of air (usually coming into a room or vehicle)
21:50:12 <phenny> draft 3. a preliminary sketch of a design or picture [...]
21:50:34 <Ash> .w draft
21:50:38 <Ash> .w backdraft
21:50:38 <phenny> draft 1. a document ordering the payment of money
21:50:40 <phenny> I couldn't find 'backdraft' in WordNet.
21:50:40 <Ash> .w frontdraft
21:50:41 <phenny> draft 2. a current of air (usually coming into a room or vehicle)
21:50:43 <phenny> I couldn't find 'frontdraft' in WordNet.
21:50:45 <phenny> draft 3. a preliminary sketch of a design or picture [...]
21:50:46 <Ash> .w moof
21:50:49 <phenny> I couldn't find 'moof' in WordNet.
21:50:54 <Ash> wordnet sucks
21:50:56 <Ash> .w wordnet
21:50:58 <phenny> wordnet 1. any of the machine-readable lexical databases modeled after the Princeton WordNet
21:51:02 <phenny> wordnet 2. a machine-readable lexical database organized by meanings
21:52:00 <est> Ash: stop looking for words for your assless chaps
21:52:40 <Ash> est: I LEARNED IT FROM WATCHING YOU
21:52:56 <est> Ash: you forgot "DADDY"
21:55:20 <Arnia> Cider: What pikey kids drink in the park from plastic bottles.
21:56:19 <sbp> BWAHAHAHA
21:56:24 <sbp> Ash you fricking pikey
21:56:38 <Ash> I don't even know what that means
21:56:41 <sbp> CHAV
21:56:48 <Ash> have you been hanging out with chavs again
21:56:50 <sbp> (one of the many, many synonyms)
21:56:53 <Ash> DID THEY TEACH YOU THAT WORD
21:57:05 <sbp> I wonder if anyone's made an isogloss for chav synonyms? Arnia, any clue?
21:57:15 <sbp> Ash: "townie" was most common where I'm from
21:57:17 <Ash> Did they teach you that word at Talk Like a Dick school
21:57:22 <bjoern_> .g isogloss for chav synonyms
21:57:25 <phenny> bjoern_: http://yqfgf123.blogspot.com/2005_06_01_yqfgf123_archive.html
21:57:26 <sbp> I didn't even heard of chav till a couple of years or so ago
21:57:31 <sbp> Talk Like a Dick school: hehe
21:57:45 <est> Ash: i told you the burberry hat was out
21:57:46 <Ash> sbp: there are townies in GTA3
21:57:48 <sbp> bjoern_: Not Found. I guess that means no
21:57:57 <sbp> oh yeah? they're called that by name?
21:58:13 <bjoern_> perhaps, who knows the ways of the google...
21:58:20 <Ash> sbp: yeah
21:59:03 <Ash> .g townies gta3
21:59:05 <phenny> Ash: http://www.gtaforums.com/index.php?showtopic=179313
21:59:29 <sbp> do you get to pwn them with large guns and such?
22:00:41 <Ash> like everything in gta3
22:00:45 <sbp> yay
22:00:46 <Arnia> sbp: No idea. I think such a list would be cool though
22:00:56 <sbp> Arnia: screw lists, I want diagrams!
22:01:14 <sbp> problem is, since the modernisation, I'll bet they're merging fast
22:01:18 <sbp> e.g. I'd call them chavs now
22:01:27 <sbp> but five years ago, I hadn't heard of the term. it was just townies
22:01:38 <bjoern_> [ ------------ item1 ------------ | ------------ item2 ------------ | ------------ item3 ------------ ]
22:02:04 <sbp> no lists!
22:02:32 <bjoern_> then go find yourself a newsgroup
22:02:56 <Arnia> They were always pikeys to me until about five years ago
22:03:11 <sbp> news:alt.title.src.height.width.img
22:03:24 <bjoern_> this could be the beginning of an incredibly boring story...
22:03:33 <Ash> news:alt.title.src.height.width.img.die.die.die
22:03:34 <sbp> Arnia: is that a term from your northern guise or your midlands (muahaha) guise?
22:03:40 <sbp> okay, I'll be kind. home counties
22:04:06 <Ash> alt.music.cure.silly
22:04:19 <sbp> alt.school.dick.like.talk
22:04:34 <Ash> we should start making new usenet groups sbp
22:04:37 <Ash> based on achewood
22:04:49 <sbp> yeah. like newsgroup spam, only naked
22:04:50 <Ash> rec.gof
22:04:55 <sbp> alt.until.you.are.so.naked
22:05:08 <Arnia> sbp: South Midlands
22:05:08 <sbp> ooh, rec.gof
22:05:17 <sbp> Arnia: works for me
22:05:22 <Ash> alt.vegan.cheatloaf
22:05:24 <Arnia> sbp: Around Durham they're called chavs
22:05:32 <sbp> alt.sanryobuki.seven.kinky
22:05:55 <sbp> alt.all.over.the.mayor
22:06:07 <Ash> alt.i-got-problems
22:06:15 <sbp> alt.science.more.of
22:07:49 <sbp> alt.thongs.igneous
22:07:50 <sbp> hehehe
22:10:51 <bancus> alt.sex.with.chickens.whilst.wearing.rubber.knickers was always my favorite
22:11:26 <bjoern_> not alt.binaries.sex.with.chickens.whilst.wearing.rubber.knickers.pix?
22:11:35 <bancus> does that exist?
22:11:52 <bjoern_> in alt.* everything exists.
22:11:59 <JibberJim> no groups on my server contains chickens
22:12:49 <bancus> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sex.with.chickens.whilst.wearing.rubber.knickers?lnk=gschg&hl=en
22:13:10 <bancus> I like how the most recent post is from "Stoned Sloppy Grandmother"
22:14:01 <bancus> wow, there's an actual non-spam post in there
22:14:38 <bancus> alt.sex.algore.lick.the.wet.toad is also an interesting name
22:15:04 <bancus> or alt.sex.cthulu :o
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22:19:18 <Morbus> .email morbus@disobey.com whee //
22:19:21 <phenny> Morbus: Sent (185 bytes).
22:19:55 <Morbus> anyone happen to know off the top of their head the config to stop SA from issuing a report in the body of the email?
22:20:04 <Morbus> i'd like to keep its fuck-uppery constrained to the headers.
22:22:56 <Morbus> report_safe 0, I believe.
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22:49:56 <d8uv> any hardkore linux or gentoo peoples in the house?
22:51:13 *** uche (n=uogbuji@70.90.116.206) has joined #swhack
22:51:13 <Monty> hi uche
22:52:28 <Ash> i have a plan for gentoo users
22:52:32 <Ash> it's called the 'final solution'
22:52:46 <Ash> step right this way into this luxury railcar, d8uv
22:57:20 <d8uv> Is there a bar car on this train?
22:57:32 <Ash> of course, it's right there near the back
22:57:37 <Ash> you have to get all the way in to see it
22:57:45 * Ash shoves d8uv in and slams shut the door
22:57:48 <d8uv> Cool! I'm about to get SMASHED!
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23:15:06 <lightdifference> hey, I'm toying with phenny's source and i was wondering if there was any way to make it so I could have it identify?
23:15:41 <JibberJim> just make it run a /msg command after it connects
23:16:10 <lightdifference> would I do that with a module?
23:24:28 <sbp> lightdifference: you could have something like the following:
23:24:29 <sbp> def f_send(self, origin, match, args):
23:24:29 <sbp> if origin.nick == 'lightdifference':
23:24:29 <sbp> self.msg(match.group(1), match.group(2))
23:24:29 <sbp> f_send.rule = (['send'], r'([^ ]+) (.*)')
23:24:48 <sbp> then you'd have to do it manually, though
23:24:55 <sbp> (but that's how I do it)
23:25:23 <Ash> self.__self__."self".msg(match("||\2358sV@!!S/").()""
23:25:41 <sbp> on the other hand, after this bit:
23:25:42 <sbp> elif args[0] == '251':
23:25:42 <sbp> # Vanilla and ircu/asuka ircds at least seem to require this
23:25:42 <sbp> # Cf. http://swhack.com/logs/2005-12-05#T19-32-36
23:25:42 <sbp> for channel in self.channels:
23:25:42 <sbp> self.write(('JOIN', channel))
23:25:43 <lightdifference> uugh. Python is confusing...
23:25:58 <est> self.__self__??
23:26:04 <sbp> you could do: self.msg('NickServ', 'IDENTIFY something')
23:26:15 <sbp> Ash is confusing. Python is fine
23:26:16 <est> oh..that was ash :)
23:26:36 <Ash> bwahaha
23:26:41 <Ash> confusing est at every turn
23:26:51 <sbp> lightdifference: so it would look like:
23:26:51 <sbp> for channel in self.channels:
23:26:51 <sbp> self.write(('JOIN', channel))
23:26:51 <sbp> self.msg('NickServ', 'IDENTIFY something')
23:27:26 <lightdifference> will the module load automatically?
23:29:11 <sbp> module? this is in irc.py
23:29:22 <lightdifference> oh. *hits head*
23:29:48 <sbp> this is hard-wiring it into her very guts :-)
23:30:10 <BigJibby> that sounds painful
23:30:43 <lightdifference> where in irc.py would I put that?
23:31:09 <Ash> sbp: in ruby you could just extend the class in your own separate file
23:32:38 <sbp> lightdifference: search for args[0] == '251'
23:32:42 <sbp> it's just underneath there
23:33:02 <sbp> Ash: hmm?
23:33:11 <sbp> even this granularly?
23:33:26 <sbp> and then will all subsequent loads of the parent module include the extensions?
23:33:44 <Ash> by 'loads' you mean.. instances?