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00:09:03 <BigJibby> Monty, you suck
00:09:06 <Monty> aha! we run ball.py - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khepri
00:18:17 <Kragen> .wik einer
00:18:20 <phenny> "Buddenbrooks was Thomas Mann's first novel, published in 1901 when he was twenty six years old." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddenbrooks:_Verfall_einer_Familie
00:22:06 <est> wacky
00:23:05 <BigJibby> .wik swhack
00:23:08 <phenny> "An exocortex (speculative) is an external information processing system that augments, in a subtle and seamless fashion via a brain-computer interface, the brain's biological high-level cognitive processes." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exocortex
00:23:26 <Arnia> .wik sbp
00:23:29 <phenny> "in medicine, Spontaneous bacterial peritonitis" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SBP
00:24:26 <kpreid> that's a poor handling of a disambiguation page
00:24:47 <Arnia> .wik kpreid
00:24:50 <phenny> Can't find anything in Wikipedia for "kpreid".
00:25:33 <Kragen> "exocortex" is the wikipedia entry for "swhack"? very amusing.
00:25:48 <Kragen> kpreid: what do you think sbp should lead to instead?
00:26:11 <Kragen> oh, it should say, "Spontaneous bacterial peritonitis is a form of peritonitis that occurs in patients with cirrhosis."
00:26:14 <kpreid> I think phenny should do something else to excetpt it
00:26:36 <Kragen> phenny, tell sbp that .wik sbp should say "Spontaneous bacterial peritonitis is a form of peritonitis that occurs in patients with cirrhosis." instead of "in medicine, Spontaneous bacterial peritonitis"
00:26:37 <kpreid> returning *one* of the choices in a disambiguation page is misleading
00:26:38 <phenny> Kragen: I'll pass that on when sbp is around.
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00:27:07 <Kragen> kpreid: i think in the context of irc, it's a better choice than trying to represent the contents of the disambiguation page
00:27:12 <kpreid> phenny: tell sbp that no, .wik sbp is an example of poor handling of a disambiguation page, in that showing only and entirely the first option is misleading
00:27:14 <phenny> kpreid: I'll pass that on when sbp is around.
00:27:41 <Kragen> i understand that you think it's misleading, but what should phenny do instead?
00:27:53 <kpreid> I'll let sbp figure that out!
00:27:58 <Kragen> heh
00:28:29 <Kragen> i think he did figure it out and decided that taking the first option was the best choice; phenny just didn't quite succeed in doing that this time
00:28:44 <Kragen> but if you think he figured it out wrong, maybe you should tell him what you think would be a better alternative
00:30:20 <Kragen> i mean, it's obvious to everyone that it kind of sucks, right? it's just not clear what would be better.
00:36:12 <est> hi
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00:55:58 <BigJibby> phenny: Tell sbp that tell in this case could be capitalized
00:58:22 <Kragen> phenny: tell sbp "has no subject"
00:58:24 <phenny> Kragen: I'll pass that on when sbp is around.
00:58:33 <Kragen> oh
00:58:36 <Kragen> "tell" was the subject
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00:58:53 <Kragen> phenny: tell sbp that "Tell sbp foo" should be equivalent to "tell sbp foo"
00:58:55 <phenny> Kragen: I'll pass that on when sbp is around.
01:12:23 <est> tell me a story
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01:49:50 <Kragen> .wik banh mi
01:49:52 <phenny> "Bánh mì (pronounced 'bun me'), sometimes also referred to as a 'Vietnamese hoagie', is a Vietnamese submarine sandwich, made with a French-inspired baguette." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banh_mi
01:50:24 <crschmidt> .wik Báhn mì
01:50:28 <phenny> Can't find anything in Wikipedia for "Báhn mì".
01:50:33 <est> hi
01:50:35 <Kragen> miellpssed
01:50:37 <crschmidt> .wik Bánh mì
01:50:39 <phenny> "Bánh mì (pronounced 'bun me'), sometimes also referred to as a 'Vietnamese hoagie', is a Vietnamese submarine sandwich, made with a French-inspired baguette." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bánh_mì
01:51:14 <Kragen> i just had one made with tofu. $3.20 incl. tax.
01:51:25 <Kragen> from Einer's Diner. which surprisingly is a vietnamese restaurant
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02:51:04 <Monty> hey [1]adam_GFX2
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03:27:07 <Ash> LO FI
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04:02:58 <BigJibby> hi Monty
04:03:00 <Monty> printscreen i haven't seen the ticket.
04:07:25 <Kragen> .wik phthalate
04:07:28 <phenny> "Phthalates, or phthalate esters, are a group of chemical compounds that are mainly used as plasticizers (substances added to plastics to increase their flexibility)." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phthalate
04:08:01 <Kragen> .wik saran warp
04:08:04 <Kragen> .wik saran wrap
04:08:04 <phenny> "Plastic covers a range of synthetic or semisynthetic polymerization products." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plastic
04:08:07 <phenny> "Saran is the trade name for a number of polymers made from vinylidene chloride (especially polyvinylidene chloride or PVDC), along with other monomers." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saran_wrap
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04:11:49 <bancus> .seen bancus
04:11:51 <phenny> bancus: I last saw bancus at 2006-04-14 22:07:53 UTC on #swhack
04:12:01 <bancus> hm
04:12:08 <bancus> zoe seems to be down
04:12:53 <bancus> how annoying
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04:41:19 <bjoern_> "So that's General Leo... He could be my friend, if he weren't my enemy..."
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04:54:12 <redmonk> hardyhar: http://brian.carnell.com/archives/years/2006/04/000003.html
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04:57:48 <bjoern_> "How might these abominations be manipulated"?
04:57:48 <bjoern_> "I'm getting sick of this! Thou art such a pain in the ...! Confound it all! I'm starting to talk like you!"
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05:31:38 <MattRead> hi JibbyBot
05:31:38 <JibbyBot> howdy, MattRead
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05:32:46 <BigJibby> Monty, sing
05:32:49 <Monty> bagged perfume delights psychotic peregrinations!
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05:33:07 <BigJibby> Monty, you sing good
05:33:09 <Monty> Dang... it works!
05:33:23 <BigJibby> Monty, Dang!
05:33:24 <Monty> GNU trench >:)
05:33:46 <BigJibby> JibbyBot, randSwhack
05:33:48 <est> monty is so emotional
05:33:48 <Monty> DEP
05:33:55 <est> see?
05:34:02 <JibbyBot> on 2005-09-09 at 00-58-39 sbp said, 'Einstein, Podolsky, and Rosen (quantum paradox)'
05:34:36 <est> JibbyBot, Big Jibbin!
05:34:37 <BigJibby> Monty, you ok?
05:34:41 <Monty> Mozilla flaxen PlayStation snogs preemptive bitches and buggering tight modules.
05:37:24 <BigJibby> Monty, you sick bastard!
05:37:24 <Monty> screw you
05:37:39 <BigJibby> hey. shut up Monty!
05:37:40 <Monty> Right...
05:37:55 <BigJibby> ok.
05:38:03 <bjoern_> In soviet russia monty shuts up YOU!
05:38:05 <Monty> .gc "add-hook 'viper-load-hook"
05:38:08 <phenny> "add-hook 'viper-load-hook": 2
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05:57:57 <bjoern_> Monty, countdown
05:57:57 <Monty> One large one and five small numbers: 50, 4, 10, 7, 6, 5. Your target is 176. You have thirty seconds, tick, tock, tick, tock...
05:58:27 <Monty> Duh dum, duh dum, duh-da-da-dum! Your 30 seconds are up!
05:58:28 <bjoern_> Monty, calc (10-7)*50 - (6*4)
05:58:28 <Monty> I found a solution in approximately 2 milliseconds. I found all 167 solutions in about 225 milliseconds.
05:58:30 <Monty> ibot (10*5 - 6)*4
05:58:32 <Monty> bjoern_: 126
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05:58:59 <bjoern_> Monty, countdown
05:58:59 <Monty> One large one and five small numbers: 50, 7, 7, 2, 7, 2. Your target is 190. You have thirty seconds, tick, tock, tick, tock...
05:59:29 <Monty> Duh dum, duh dum, duh-da-da-dum! Your 30 seconds are up!
05:59:30 <Monty> I found a solution in approximately 57 milliseconds. I found all 60 solutions in about 247 milliseconds.
05:59:31 <bjoern_> Monty, calc 7*7*2*2 - 7
05:59:32 <Monty> ibot (50*7 + 2)/2 + 7 + 7
05:59:33 <Monty> bjoern_: 189
05:59:50 <bjoern_> Monty, countdown
05:59:50 <Monty> One large one and five small numbers: 25, 2, 4, 3, 5, 4. Your target is 888. You have thirty seconds, tick, tock, tick, tock...
06:00:20 <Monty> Duh dum, duh dum, duh-da-da-dum! Your 30 seconds are up!
06:00:21 <Monty> I found a solution in approximately 15 milliseconds. I found all 12 solutions in about 238 milliseconds.
06:00:23 <Monty> ibot ((4 + 5)*25 - 3)*4
06:00:40 <bjoern_> Monty, stone
06:00:40 <Monty> I chose stone - Draw!
06:00:41 <bjoern_> Monty, stone
06:00:41 <Monty> I chose paper - I win! :o)
06:00:43 <bjoern_> Monty, stone
06:00:43 <Monty> I chose stone - Draw!
06:00:44 <bjoern_> Monty, stone
06:00:44 <Monty> I chose scissors - You win :(
06:00:47 <bjoern_> I win!
06:00:55 <bjoern_> Monty, stats
06:00:55 <Monty> I have a vocabulary of 6607 words, 37 reminders pending, 53 outstanding welcome messages, seen 10631 different nicks and I was born on Fri Nov 25 09:35:58 GMT 2005
06:01:31 <bjoern_> Monty, what's on bbc?
06:01:35 <Monty> sweet bright OLVWM will never match trisexual George W Bush's wrestlers >:)
06:02:32 <bjoern_> Monty, whatson bbc?
06:02:32 <Monty> Hold on whilst I flick through the Radio Times...
06:02:33 <Monty> I can't seem to find bbc? in my copy of the Radio Times, maybe it's under a crumb.
06:02:42 <bjoern_> Monty, whatson bbc
06:02:43 <Monty> Hold on whilst I flick through the Radio Times...
06:02:44 <Monty> I can't seem to find bbc in my copy of the Radio Times, maybe it's under a crumb.
06:02:51 <bjoern_> Monty, whatson #1
06:02:51 <Monty> Hold on whilst I flick through the Radio Times...
06:02:53 <Monty> I can't seem to find #1 in my copy of the Radio Times, maybe it's under a crumb.
06:03:46 <bjoern_> Monty, day
06:03:46 <Monty> It is Saturday
06:04:11 <bjoern_> Monty, ignore phenny
06:04:14 <Monty> fine, so hot mamas, Boomer. You were you the CS sense.
06:04:26 <bjoern_> allright Monty.
06:04:26 <Monty> Guha
06:04:32 <bjoern_> mwhahaha
06:04:36 <bjoern_> lolzers Monty
06:04:37 <Monty> w00p @ thereg ...
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06:07:56 <Kragen> "Guha"?
06:08:05 <Kragen> .swhack Guha
06:08:13 <phenny> Kragen: http://swhack.com/logs/2006-04-14#T16-08-13
06:08:26 <Kragen> hahahaha
06:08:44 <est> weird
06:08:54 <est> that almost has a gul agha in it
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06:12:35 <est> hmm..ram guha joined google in 2005
06:13:11 <Kragen> you mean r.v.guha?
06:13:26 <Kragen> ramanathan v. guha
06:13:55 <Kragen> grr, the vhdl vasg has the full PDF draft VHDL 200x standard on their web page. as password-protected PDFs.
06:16:09 <est> yes
06:23:38 <est> a strike against vhdl
06:36:01 <Kragen> well
06:36:24 <Kragen> in this case i wanted to refer to the entity-architecture distinction in VHDL
06:36:33 <Kragen> in explaining a language feature I think is needed
06:36:43 <Kragen> in other programming languages
06:37:18 <Kragen> unfortunately i can't be sure that my understanding of VHDL is correct
06:39:39 <est> what feature?
06:40:13 <Kragen> multiple architectures for the same entity
06:41:17 <Kragen> i think it's expected that all the architectures behave the same, but i'm not sure
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07:01:36 <est> i dont know
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09:18:06 <Kragen> oh sweet
09:18:35 <Kragen> freedict fd-eng-spa has IPA in UTF-8 in it apparently
09:18:40 <Kragen> abstraction [əbstrækʃən]
09:19:00 <Kragen> I don't know if that came through for anyone else, but there's a schwa, an ae ligature, and a long s in there.
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11:51:35 <sbp> hello
11:51:37 <phenny> sbp: 00:19Z <Kragen> tell sbp that .wik sbp should say "Spontaneous bacterial peritonitis is a form of peritonitis that occurs in patients with cirrhosis." instead of "in medicine, Spontaneous bacterial peritonitis"
11:51:40 <phenny> sbp: 00:20Z <kpreid> tell sbp that no, .wik sbp is an example of poor handling of a disambiguation page, in that showing only and entirely the first option is misleading
11:51:45 <phenny> sbp: 00:51Z <Kragen> tell sbp "has no subject"
11:51:47 <phenny> sbp: 00:51Z <Kragen> tell sbp that "Tell sbp foo" should be equivalent to "tell sbp foo"
11:53:43 * Arnia waves at sbp
11:53:53 <sbp> hey there Arnia
11:54:00 <sbp> yay, someone picked up on my Guha bit
11:54:03 <sbp> (
11:54:03 <sbp> 16:06:38 <jcowan> R. V. Dently.
11:54:03 <sbp> 16:08:13 <sbp> Guha
11:54:04 <sbp> )
11:54:08 <Arnia> Where has my python knowledge gone... I can't even make a polymorphic __init__ :(
11:54:21 * Arnia is drastically out of practice
11:54:29 <sbp> try using __new__ instead
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11:57:54 <Arnia> Nup... still doesn't work :/
11:58:01 <Arnia> I'll have a think about it over lunch
11:58:14 <Arnia> sbp: What Guha bit?
12:05:50 <sbp> I quoted it
12:06:14 * Arnia is too brain-dead today to grok the context
12:06:18 <Arnia> Never mind
12:08:11 <sbp> jcowan said "R. V. Dently" and it reminded me of a guy named R.V. Guha, so I mock-corrected him
12:08:29 <sbp> and R.V. Guha reminds me of T.V. Raman
12:08:50 <Arnia> Ah yes... Mr Cyc :)
12:09:16 <sbp> aye
12:09:31 <Arnia> Hmm... ham sandwich for lunch me thinks
12:10:22 <sbp> hmm, I think I just worked one out
12:10:34 <sbp> was it here that I said yesterday I keep getting groups of searches?
12:10:40 <Arnia> Yeah
12:10:46 <sbp> well, today I'm getting:
12:10:51 <sbp> [Ignis fatuus, the fair maid of]
12:10:56 <sbp> [Ignis fatuus, the fair maid of .......]
12:11:05 <sbp> [ignis fatuus the fair maid]
12:11:13 <sbp> [ignis fatuus "the fair maid of"]
12:11:18 <sbp> [ignis fatuus fair maid]
12:11:27 <sbp> different IPs. so I reckon it's a crossword puzzle
12:11:42 <sbp> cf. http://crosswordfiend.blogspot.com/2006/03/sneon-frisian-saturday.html
12:12:03 <Arnia> Someone is doing a crossword across the internet?
12:12:18 <sbp> thing is, it was the NYT crossword of 2006-03-03
12:12:26 <sbp> so maybe it's been reprinted in another paper or something?
12:13:28 <sbp> using the internet to cheat, yeah :-)
12:13:42 <sbp> it being one of the simple, American style crosswords, not a cryptic one
12:13:57 <Arnia> Cryptic crosswords being a lot harder to cheat at
12:14:17 <sbp> yeah
12:16:05 <Arnia> Had to explain to someone the other day that US doesn't really have cryptic crosswords with the same enthusiasm as we do
12:16:12 <sbp> <p>Attention: if you're coming to this page via a search for "ignis fatuus"
12:16:12 <sbp> "the fair maid of", the answer is "Ireland". But could you please tell me which
12:16:12 <sbp> paper or place this crossword is in? <a href="mailto:...@....com"
12:16:12 <sbp> >...@....com</a>.</p>
12:18:16 <sbp> bet I won't get any more results now I've done that
12:18:53 <Arnia> heh
12:23:13 <laplink> .g "Ignis Fatuus" "fair maid of"
12:23:16 <phenny> laplink: http://inamidst.com/lights/wisp
12:23:26 <laplink> ah :-)
12:23:45 <sbp> <biabot> [penis measuring by women] led 69.177.*.* to http://inamidst.com/misc/swhackgc
12:24:24 <sbp> laplink! long time no see
12:24:49 <laplink> yup. been busy.
12:25:16 <sbp> heh. I was like "huh, I know that guy..."
12:25:26 <laplink> heh heh
12:27:14 <sbp> okay, the IP addresses are from all across America
12:27:23 <sbp> so either it's a website or a paper with national distribution
12:27:34 <sbp> odd that they should all be coming at the same time though
12:27:40 <sbp> so that makes me think it's probably a website. hmm
12:28:09 <sbp> (since I've put the thing up, I've had no further referers. sigh)
12:28:16 <Arnia> sbp: Look for non-search engine refers to that page
12:28:31 <bjoern_> 69.177? centi-inch?
12:28:53 <sbp> none, sadly. but! I just got another referer!
12:28:54 <sbp> yay!
12:29:14 <sbp> apparently from Florida
12:29:47 <bjoern_> .compare "penis measuring by women" "penis measuring by men"
12:29:50 <phenny> "penis measuring by women" (0), "penis measuring by men" (0)
12:30:12 <bjoern_> look, and I thought size matters...
12:33:26 <sbp> whoo, and another one
12:33:32 <sbp> [ignis fatuus fair maid]
12:33:35 <sbp> [Ignis fatuus, the fair maid of _]
12:33:58 <sbp> second one from Texas
12:35:29 <sbp> [Ignis fatuus, the fair maid of]
12:35:50 <sbp> qwest
12:37:02 * laplink really tries Gmail for the first time...
12:37:15 <laplink> I'm quite impressed actually.
12:37:18 <sbp> mmm... Gmail
12:37:40 <laplink> Works much better then my local Squirrelmail install.
12:38:06 <laplink> I may actually switch to using it for my webmail.
12:39:00 <laplink> We'll see how it fares when I get a few thousand messages in there.
12:39:33 <sbp> ooh
12:39:50 <sbp> [ignis fatuus,the fair maid of .....]
12:40:08 <sbp> [ignis fatuus the maid of]
12:40:39 <sbp> laplink: I find that turning chat and webclips off helps considerably
12:40:48 <sbp> [ignis fatuus fair maid]
12:41:11 <sbp> that one seems to be Pittsburgh
12:43:01 <sbp> no replies yet, but at least I'll bet I've made plenty of people go "wtf"
12:44:46 * sbp adds a link to these logs
12:44:52 * sbp waves to anybody that finds them via that link
12:46:31 <sbp> [ignis fatuus, the fair maid of]
12:46:49 <bjoern_> --> HI LOG READERS, CALL ME AT 0-800-FINE-LEATHER-JACKETS, THANKS <--
12:47:13 <sbp> looks like New York, that one
12:47:22 <sbp> [Ignis fatuus, the fair maid of]
12:47:42 <sbp> Missouri...
12:49:14 <sbp> gah, nobody's emailed! shame on these people
12:49:24 <sbp> I'm providing them their answers, and they're not giving back :-)
12:50:36 <sbp> perhaps it's just too freaky to have a webpage know what you're doing
12:51:46 <sbp> phenny: ask crschmidt if he could pick me up some major American newspapers and look at the crosswords? see http://swhack.com/logs/2006-04-15#T12-10-22 for the full details. I'll ask jcowan and Morbus too
12:51:49 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when crschmidt is around.
12:51:56 <sbp> phenny: ask jcowan if he could pick me up some major American newspapers and look at the crosswords? see http://swhack.com/logs/2006-04-15#T12-10-22 for the full details. I'll ask crschmidt and Morbus too
12:51:58 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when jcowan is around.
12:52:12 <sbp> phenny: ask Morbus if he could pick me up some major American newspapers and look at the crosswords? see http://swhack.com/logs/2006-04-15#T12-10-22 for the full details. I'll ask crschmidt and jcowan too
12:52:14 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when morbus is around.
12:52:31 <sbp> same question to any American on the channel, especially if you have newspapers lying around anyway
12:53:03 *** sbp changed the topic to: "Do you have an American newspaper lying around? Can you look at the crosswords therein for sbp, please? See http://swhack.com/logs/2006-04-15#T12-10-22 for details. Thanks!"
12:53:16 *** sbp changed the topic to: "Do you have an American newspaper lying around for 15th April? Can you look at the crosswords therein for sbp, please? See http://swhack.com/logs/2006-04-15#T12-10-22 for details. Thanks!"
12:53:29 <sbp> [ignis fatuus, the fair maid of]
12:53:45 <laplink> phenny, ask sbp,Monty,foo to overengineer your .tell syntax.
12:53:46 <sbp> Chicago
12:53:47 <phenny> laplink: I'll pass that on when sbp,monty,foo is around.
12:53:52 <sbp> heh
12:54:08 <sbp> [ignis fatuus the fair maid of]
12:54:25 <Arnia> USA Today?
12:54:31 <sbp> [Ignis fatuus, fair maid of]
12:54:45 <sbp> Boston, that one
12:54:48 <sbp> Arnia: is that just a guess?
12:55:06 <Arnia> Only national newspaper in the US I'm aware of :)
12:55:10 <Arnia> But yes, a guess
12:55:10 <sbp> still no email. bah
12:55:12 <sbp> heh
12:55:26 *** sbp changed the topic to: "Do you have a national American newspaper lying around for 15th April? Can you look at the crosswords therein for sbp, please? See http://swhack.com/logs/2006-04-15#T12-10-22 for details. Thanks!"
12:57:49 <sbp> [Ignis fatuus, the maid of]
12:58:13 <sbp> Texas
12:58:24 <sbp> [Ignis Fatuus, the fair maid]
12:58:48 <sbp> Missouri...
12:59:00 <sbp> I'm building a good distribution map of this site/newpaper here
13:03:07 <bjoern_> In soviet russia, crosswords cheat YOU!
13:03:12 <sbp> hehe
13:04:51 <sbp> [ignis fatuus, the fair maid]
13:05:07 <sbp> another Texas one...
13:07:50 <sbp> Texas again
13:08:12 <sbp> ah!
13:08:14 <sbp> answers!
13:08:17 <sbp> thanks, submitters!
13:08:22 <sbp> seems like a couple at least
13:08:27 <sbp> one said Star Telegram, No. 00304, Fort Worth
13:08:35 <sbp> two said St.Louis Post Dispatch, New York Times Crossword
13:08:48 <laplink> http://crosswordfiend.blogspot.com/2006/03/sneon-frisian-saturday.html
13:08:48 <sbp> laplink: heh, heh
13:08:58 <sbp> yeah, it must just be a reprint of that one
13:09:13 <laplink> NYT, syndicated, picket up again for easter hols prolly.
13:09:43 <bjoern_> .compare crossword Kreutzwortraetsel
13:09:45 <phenny> crossword (106,000,000), Kreutzwortraetsel (884)
13:10:04 <laplink> .compare crossword kraut
13:10:07 <phenny> crossword (106,000,000), kraut (6,380,000)
13:10:08 <sbp> odd that it's been reprinted a month later though
13:10:16 <bjoern_> .compare crossword Kreuzwortraetsel
13:10:19 <phenny> crossword (106,000,000), Kreuzwortraetsel (1,800,000)
13:10:36 <sbp> (actually only one said St.Louis Post Dispatch, dual submission)
13:10:37 <laplink> At least round these parts, easter is crossword season.
13:10:40 <bjoern_> .gc kreutz
13:10:43 <phenny> kreutz: 1,580,000
13:10:48 *** sbp changed the topic to: "Belay that order"
13:11:05 <sbp> so that's why I'm getting, e.g., TX and MO groupings
13:11:57 <sbp> phenny: tell crschmidt nevermind!
13:11:59 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when crschmidt is around.
13:12:02 <sbp> phenny: tell jcowan nevermind!
13:12:04 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when jcowan is around.
13:12:05 <sbp> phenny: tell Morbus nevermind!
13:12:08 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when morbus is around.
13:12:23 <bjoern_> .ety pummel
13:12:26 <phenny> "1548, alteration of pommel (q.v.) in the verbal sense of 'to beat repeatedly.'" - http://etymonline.com/?term=pummel
13:12:44 <laplink> Do I need to do the obligatory "phenny ask" spiel for the obvious feature or will a simple .dwim suffice?
13:12:46 <sbp> .ety pommel
13:12:51 <phenny> "c.1330, from O.Fr. pomel (12c.), 'rounded knob,' dim. of pom 'hilt of a sword,' from L.L. pomellum, dim. of L. pomum 'apple,' the connecting notion being 'roundness.' Sense of 'front peak of a saddle' first recorded c.1450." - http://etymonline.com/?term=pommel
13:13:08 <sbp> laplink: you already asked :-)
13:13:33 <laplink> .nm
13:13:50 * sbp looks into it
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13:15:36 <sbp> I've flagged it as an issue
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13:17:51 <Arnia> Did you find it?
13:18:47 <sbp> Arnia: yep! I've had two responses so far. Star Telegram, No. 00304, Fort Worth; and St.Louis Post Dispatch, New York Times Crossword
13:19:04 <sbp> so it is indeed the NYT crossword of 2006-03-03 syndicated out across the country
13:19:56 <sbp> ah, got another! 'Rochester, New York's "Democrat and Chronicle" New York Times Crossword Puzzle'
13:20:05 <bjoern_> .g Really Crossy Crosswords by Winer
13:20:08 <phenny> bjoern_: http://studweb.hogent.be/~043343fe/Combo_2004_04_16.txt
13:21:37 <sbp> this is fun. interactive HTTP!
13:22:31 <sbp> since I changed the wording a little bit, I got a lot more responses
13:22:41 <sbp> before, I wasn't saying that I didn't know which newspapers it was in
13:22:51 <sbp> I was just asking for information without much context
13:23:56 * sbp links "me" to his homepage so people can find out more about him too
13:24:58 <laplink> .gc me
13:25:00 <laplink> .g me
13:25:00 <phenny> me: 4,300,000,000
13:25:02 <phenny> laplink: http://www.addme.com/
13:25:27 <laplink> .gc you
13:25:29 <phenny> you: 14,350,000,000
13:25:37 <laplink> .gc them
13:25:39 <phenny> them: 4,120,000,000
13:26:08 <sbp> .compare I me we us you
13:26:11 <phenny> us (15,480,000,000), you (14,350,000,000), I (10,180,000,000), we (8,270,000,000), me (4,300,000,000)
13:26:17 <sbp> .compare they them those
13:26:20 <phenny> they (5,520,000,000), them (4,120,000,000), those (3,270,000,000)
13:27:06 <kpreid> .compare while whilst
13:27:09 <phenny> while (3,190,000,000), whilst (115,000,000)
13:27:18 <kpreid> sbp: is there a difference in meaning?
13:27:32 <laplink> .w while
13:27:34 <laplink> .w whilst
13:27:35 <phenny> while 1. a period of indeterminate length (usually short) marked by some action or condition
13:27:36 <phenny> I couldn't find 'whilst' in WordNet.
13:28:03 <sbp> kpreid: yeah, while can be used in more circumstances, e.g. as a verb. you can while away the time, but you can't whilst it away
13:28:23 <sbp> but in the adverbial sense there's no difference
13:28:40 <sbp> also as a noun you can't use whilst: "give me a while"
13:28:52 <kpreid> .gc "whilst away the time"
13:28:55 <phenny> "whilst away the time": 10
13:29:00 <sbp> .gc "give me a whilst"
13:29:02 <kpreid> :-)
13:29:03 <phenny> "give me a whilst": 8
13:29:04 <sbp> .gc "gimme a whilst"
13:29:07 <phenny> "gimme a whilst": 0
13:29:34 <kpreid> .compare "while you're" "whilst you're"
13:29:36 <phenny> "while you're" (31,200,000), "whilst you're" (210,000)
13:29:46 <laplink> .compare second minute moment while whilst
13:29:49 <phenny> while (3,190,000,000), second (2,280,000,000), minute (726,000,000), moment (712,000,000), whilst (115,000,000)
13:30:01 <kpreid> .compare whilst whis
13:30:03 <kpreid> .compare whilst whist
13:30:04 <phenny> whilst (115,000,000), whis (674,000)
13:30:05 <phenny> whilst (115,000,000), whist (2,450,000)
13:33:52 <Arnia> While to me cannot be used when the event doesn't fill the parent
13:34:08 <Arnia> Whilst can be applied of portions of the time
13:34:35 <kpreid> "He danced whilst the third millenium passed."
13:34:44 <kpreid> :-)
13:34:45 <Arnia> "While making the tea, John whistled" implies, for me, that John whistled the whole time he was making the tea
13:35:25 <Arnia> "Whilst making the tea, John whistled" implies, by contrast, only that John whistled for some subperiod of the tea making
13:35:52 <kpreid> "While making the tea, John whistled, accompanied once by the tea-pot."
13:36:02 <kpreid> s/pot/kettle/
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13:37:11 <sbp> Arnia: good catch. hadn't thought about that
13:39:04 <Arnia> There should be an en_GB wordnet
13:39:13 <Arnia> .g British English wordnet
13:39:16 <phenny> Arnia: http://www.answers.com/topic/english-language
13:41:55 <kpreid> spam Subject: the customary augend
14:03:13 <sbp> huh. I just had an idea
14:03:20 <bjoern_> OMG
14:03:30 <sbp> if we subscribed as a group to the OED, perhaps we could hook phenny up to it
14:03:36 <sbp> but it'd be at least 250/annum
14:03:48 <sbp> so that'd be 25 GBP per year for ten of us paying
14:03:54 <Arnia> Not that much
14:03:59 <sbp> not really, no
14:04:09 <sbp> but ten of us? might be a stretch?
14:04:16 <sbp> I could see me, you, crschmidt, and jcowan chipping in
14:04:34 <sbp> Morbus? bjoern_? anyone else?
14:04:34 * Arnia needs to find a TV for 7pm tonight
14:04:44 <sbp> what's on? Dr. Who?
14:04:47 <crschmidt> I haven't been using bia's income for server fees since I moved from Sagonet
14:04:49 <phenny> crschmidt: 12:44Z <sbp> ask crschmidt if he could pick me up some major American newspapers and look at the crosswords? see http://swhack.com/logs/2006-04-15#T12-10-22 for the full details. I'll ask jcowan and Morbus too
14:04:52 <crschmidt> I'd be willing to toss that stuff in
14:04:52 <phenny> crschmidt: 13:04Z <sbp> tell crschmidt nevermind!
14:04:53 <Arnia> Yeah, new series
14:05:11 <sbp> crschmidt: awesome. perhaps I should float this on our Mailing List?
14:05:13 <crschmidt> Which right now is at about $60-$80US
14:05:14 <crschmidt> Yeah
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14:05:28 <crschmidt> reminds me, I think one of my clients hasn't been paying me
14:05:57 <bjoern_> If it's about Oxford English Dictionary then no
14:08:44 <laplink> sbp, I'd chip in on that.
14:10:14 <sbp> laplink: ta, cool!
14:10:26 <sbp> hey, I got another response: Baltimore Sun
14:11:20 <sbp> OED Query: http://lists.swhack.com/swhack/2006-April/000049
14:13:58 <sbp> Followup: http://lists.swhack.com/swhack/2006-April/000050
14:14:03 <sbp> thought we could use oed.swhack.com
14:14:30 <Arnia> Right... have a TV booked now
14:14:31 <crschmidt> sbp: what kind of limitations does an OED account place on you?
14:14:39 <crschmidt> Presumably you can't set it up and let anyone in the world quedry it
14:14:55 <crschmidt> oh, you said in email
14:14:58 <crschmidt> i read the latter first
14:15:04 <sbp> :-)
14:15:19 <sbp> we'd have to have a kind of institutional password, I believe
14:15:25 <sbp> so it'd have to be Swhack Sekrits
14:15:36 <sbp> but yeah, it's unlimited within your organisation
14:15:44 <sbp> welp, anyone who's on #swhack is part of the organisation
14:15:53 <crschmidt> yeah
14:16:08 <crschmidt> phenny: OED password?
14:16:09 <sbp> just checking out their brochure now
14:16:11 <crschmidt> ;)
14:16:14 <laplink> They probably limit based on source IP address in liu of a user/pass.
14:16:48 <laplink> Meant for e.g. orgs access through a web proxy server.
14:16:49 <crschmidt> laplink: the fact that they limit based on source IP address doesn't mean that you're allowed to do whatever you want from that IP though.
14:17:14 <crschmidt> laplink: for example, I highly doubt that they'd let you create a web service to do lookups from the OED for anyone who dropped by
14:17:24 <crschmidt> (All requests would come from the webserver, obviously)_
14:17:36 <laplink> Sure, but that's TOS stuff.
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14:18:05 <sbp> [[[
14:18:05 <sbp> * The cost of a network licence depends on a number of factors - including the size and type of company, institution or organization.
14:18:05 <sbp> * Access is by IP address or by referring URL.
14:18:05 <sbp> * There is no limit on the number of concurrent users.
14:18:06 <sbp> * There is no limit on usage.
14:18:10 <sbp> ]]] - http://www.oed.com/subscribe/rw/
14:19:07 <crschmidt> Interesting
14:19:18 <sbp> even if phenny has to reply with [off] to .oed queries, that'd be fine
14:19:33 <sbp> she could do a little public snippet under fair use/fair dealing
14:19:36 <sbp> then do the rest as [off]
14:20:03 * crschmidt nods
14:20:33 <sbp> and the people who chipped in could have more verbiage spewed out by her
14:20:55 <laplink> You probably need to be a legal entity though, to even purchase the subscription.
14:21:04 <sbp> yes, I was thinking about that
14:21:25 <sbp> I could look into registering as a charity or organisation
14:21:34 <sbp> again, this is something that jcowan might have guidelines on
14:21:44 <sbp> Kragen too, what this his OEDeering
14:21:53 <sbp> er, what with
14:22:11 <laplink> crschmidt, you doing your hosting ad hoc or do you have something company-ish set up?
14:22:20 <crschmidt> laplink: somewhere in between.
14:22:32 <laplink> What do you report it as to the IRS?
14:23:21 <sbp> looks like we can also get a 30-day free trial, which might be a good thing to see if we can get it all working. I'm sure that between us, the technical might of #swhack can engineer round as small a problem as this :-)
14:25:23 <laplink> OED probably does it's checking of that ad hoc (Mk.I Eyeball), so if you said the customer org is Crschmidt Consulting Co. they'd buy it.
14:25:27 <sbp> neat, we'd get institution statistics: http://www.oed.com/services/online-faq.html#inst-10
14:26:56 <crschmidt> Yeah, that's true
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14:26:59 * sbp reads http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organisation and assoc. pages
14:27:21 <crschmidt> bah, just realized my main client hasn't paid me anything for the past 3 months
14:27:34 <crschmidt> (Also, I hate Paypal with a passion.)
14:29:50 <crschmidt> Hawaii Morbus? heh
14:30:13 <sbp> we'd qualify as a charity since the UK definition, under the Statute of Elizabeth 1601, is pretty lax. there are 200,000 registered charities in the UK
14:30:33 <sbp> Hawaii Morbus: oh, hehe
14:30:42 <sbp> so we have six now :-)
14:33:02 <sbp> NGO would be the most obvious thing, but "NGOs are not legal entities under international law, like states are. An exception is the International Committee of the Red Cross which is considered a legal entity under international law, because it is based on the Geneva Convention." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-governmental_organization
14:33:37 <sbp> charity would really be fine, since one of the defs. is "the advancement of education"--if we're not doing that then I don't know what we're doing
14:33:54 <sbp> but Crschmidt Consulting Co. would be better, for avoiding the mess
14:34:31 <Arnia> Charities law is changing here
14:34:33 <Arnia> Massively
14:34:57 <sbp> changing how?
14:34:57 <Arnia> "There have been complaints over the use of the words 'canoodle' and 'spoon' in the series. It is true that I want to corrupt children and I hope that before the age of 18, children will be using spoons thanks to the series." -- Robert Shearman talking about episode 2005-6, 'Dalek'
14:34:59 * sbp -> http://www.charity-commission.gov.uk/registration/default.asp
14:35:11 <sbp> heh
14:35:26 <Arnia> sbp: A lot stricter... secondary legislation hasn't gone through yet but it is expected to be much harder to become a charity
14:35:58 <sbp> might be a thing to rush it in then
14:36:49 <sbp> just going through the docs now...
14:39:03 <sbp> heh: [[[
14:39:03 <sbp> We are happy to accept applications made in Welsh and which include a governing document in Welsh.
14:39:04 <sbp> However, we ask that if you are sending a governing document in Welsh you also include a certified
14:39:04 <sbp> translation into English. If you are unable to do this, we will arrange for a translation to be made. Whilst we
14:39:04 <sbp> do not wish to risk disagreement about the meaning or translation that might affect charitable status, we
14:39:06 <sbp> cannot accept any responsibility for mis-translation of a legally technical document.
14:39:08 <sbp> ]]]
14:39:17 <sbp> kind of an odd definition of "happy to accept"
14:41:45 <sbp> okay, this would be an immense pain in the arse
14:41:55 * Arnia wonders if the NI equivalent accepts documents in Irish Gaelic
14:42:16 <sbp> but kinda fun, given we'd have to make a lot of Swhack-FAQ like documentation
14:42:31 <sbp> and we'd have an Honorary Secretary and all that lark
14:42:45 <sbp> institutionalism is inherently funny
14:43:26 <Arnia> Honorary Secretary is... Morbus
14:43:31 <sbp> hehe
14:43:36 <sbp> might have to be in the UK, Arnia
14:43:39 <sbp> so it'd be you :-)
14:43:47 <sbp> another NYT crossword response: "Mpls startribune Sat 4/15"
14:43:49 <sbp> Mpls?
14:44:01 <sbp> ah, Minneapolis
14:44:08 <sbp> that explains the MN referers
14:44:26 <Arnia> Great... see if I can get a position on one of every type of incorporation
14:44:35 <Arnia> Companies House would have a fit
14:44:50 <Arnia> They're already confused enough about the now folded LLP
14:45:48 <sbp> Montreal Gazette
14:48:12 <crschmidt> So, about 3 weeks ago, I tried to login to Paypal.
14:48:19 <crschmidt> And it was continually rejecting my login for no good reason.
14:48:28 <crschmidt> I knew I was typing the right password, buti t just wasn't taking.
14:48:40 <sbp> and it resolved itself?
14:48:49 <crschmidt> And I didn't have any of the cards that were setup on the account -- I lost the one that was on there that was current
14:48:56 <crschmidt> So I thought I was going to have to fax in a bank statement, etc.
14:49:02 <crschmidt> and I went and logged in today, Just for Yuks
14:49:10 <crschmidt> (Actually, to start the faxing process)
14:49:13 <crschmidt> and the login worked fine.
14:49:40 <crschmidt> sbp: in a word, Yes :)
14:51:20 <laplink> .w soliloquy
14:51:23 <phenny> soliloquy 1. speech you make to yourself
14:51:26 <phenny> soliloquy 2. a (usually long) dramatic speech intended to give the illusion of unspoken reflections
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14:54:49 <sbp> san diegu [sic] union
14:55:01 <sbp> .compare [San Diegu Union] [San Diego Union]
14:55:04 <phenny> San Diego Union (65,000,000), San Diegu Union (550)
14:55:23 <Arnia> .wik Doctor
14:55:26 <phenny> "Physician, a medical doctor" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor
14:55:33 <Arnia> .wik The Doctor
14:55:37 <phenny> "Physician, a medical doctor" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Doctor
14:56:36 <sbp> crschmidt: how strange
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16:01:32 <sbp> Oregonian
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16:02:33 <sbp> Contra Costa Times, SFBA
16:04:24 <sbp> hehe. one lady's got them all except for 14 down
16:04:27 <sbp> this is really fun
16:04:42 <sbp> Orange County Register, just outside of Los Angeles
16:06:24 <sbp> Corpus Christi Caller Times
16:06:55 <sbp> Clarion Ledger of Jackson, Mississippi
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16:07:56 * sbp responds to all of the people, thanking them
16:08:08 <sbp> Salem, Oregon Statesman Journal
16:08:55 <sbp> looks like 11 named replies so far (only 1 via email), and 7 anonymous replies
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16:24:35 <thelsdj> sbp: what did i miss? what replies are you responding to?
16:25:07 <sbp> thelsdj: see http://swhack.com/logs/2006-04-15#T12-10-22 onwards and http://inamidst.com/lights/wisp
16:25:24 <sbp> I was getting lots of [ignis fatuus the fair maid of] searches leading to my site (still am) and wondered where they were coming from
16:25:31 <sbp> after a bit of searching I guess it was a crossword puzzle
16:25:40 <sbp> so I put a note up on the site asking where the puzzle was
16:25:49 <sbp> and I'm getting lots of responses from people all over America
16:26:04 <sbp> telling me about their papers. they're all syndications of an earlier NYT puzzle
16:26:20 <thelsdj> interesting
16:28:26 <thelsdj> you find when it was originally published in NYT?
16:28:35 <crschmidt> march 6, 2006
16:28:37 <crschmidt> I think?
16:29:13 <thelsdj> so did you get hits back then also? or is the syndication way larger readership i guess?
16:29:34 <sbp> well, the site that mentions it posted on March 3rd, but from what people have been saying I think it was a Sunday Times reprint, which'd make it February 26th at least
16:29:49 <sbp> thelsdj: I've been wondering that, but there are two factors that might apply there
16:30:02 <sbp> 1) I'm not sure my page was as highly ranked then (I've been doing a lot to it in the past month)
16:30:08 <sbp> 2) did it even include the search term?
16:30:10 <sbp> but, let's see
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16:33:19 <sbp> $ grep -i 'fatuus.*maid' 2006-03.log | wc -l
16:33:19 <sbp> 112
16:33:22 <sbp> $ grep -i 'fatuus.*maid' 2006-04.partial.log | wc -l
16:33:22 <sbp> 70
16:33:30 <sbp> none on 2006-02
16:35:11 <thelsdj> when was the first hit in march?
16:35:33 <sbp> 03/Mar/2006:22:21:49 -0500
16:35:50 <thelsdj> a bit early in the month, maybe when you started being ranked on that term
16:36:37 <sbp> looks like it was the Saturday Puzzler, actually
16:36:42 <sbp> just came out early in some places
16:36:49 <sbp> the 3rd was a Friday
16:37:46 * bancus does his Doctor Who dance.
16:37:56 <thelsdj> bancus: first ep of season 2?
16:38:16 <bancus> not yet, of course, but it's coming
16:38:31 <thelsdj> today?
16:38:43 <bancus> So I'm told.
16:38:46 * thelsdj waits impatiently for the torrent
16:38:52 <bancus> in three hours or so, IIRC
16:39:23 <bancus> it is, however, my girlfriend's birthday
16:39:27 <bancus> so I won't see it until tomorrow :P
16:39:31 <bancus> showering now
16:39:31 <sbp> just a couple I think
16:39:41 <bancus> sbp: is it on at noon or one?
16:39:53 <sbp> um... 7 PM Arnia said :-)
16:39:56 <sbp> .t
16:39:59 <phenny> Sat Apr 15 17:32:35 BST 2006
16:40:01 <bancus> oh, oops, wrong timezone
16:40:10 <sbp> we're on +01:00
16:40:12 <bancus> yeah
16:40:15 <bancus> I'm -7
16:40:21 <bancus> so it's 11 my time
16:40:23 <sbp> aye
16:40:44 <bancus> so, a torrent should be good and seeded by the time I wake up tomorrow
16:40:47 <bancus> anyhow, shower
16:42:33 * Arnia needs to cook dinner before heading over to watch it
16:43:27 <thelsdj> i assume you guys got season 2 of battlestar galactica already?
16:43:30 <Arnia> I propose the following convention for referring to episodes of Doctor Who -- Doctor - Series with that Doctor - Story number
16:43:58 <Arnia> When regeneration occurs, the doctor number increments and the series goes to 1
16:44:29 <Arnia> So Aliens of London was 9-1-4a
16:44:41 <Arnia> World War Three was 9-1-4b
16:45:34 <Arnia> (that is simply to make sure that there is some connection between serials in the earlier Doctors which ran on for up to eight episodes)
16:46:04 <Arnia> Tonight's episode is 10-1-1, the Christmas Invasion was 10-0-1
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16:47:09 <thelsdj> what if half way through a series the doctor changes, and then after a few episodes changes again? so maybe you'd have 13-3-14 at one point and next series would start with 15-1-1?
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16:48:17 <Arnia> thelsdj: Whenever a regeneration occurs, that is the start of a new series even if it is part of the same run
16:48:39 <Arnia> thelsdj: The Doctor's personality shifts too much to consider it the same series after that point
16:49:49 <thelsdj> hrm, guess so, just hard to keep track of the real world runs with this scheme then, if episode 1 might not be the beginning of a season
16:51:51 <sbp> I still want Alan Davies as Doctor
16:51:55 <sbp> it's just not fair
16:53:58 <Arnia> thelsdj: How about allowing (year) to be appended?
16:55:35 <sbp> .wik Tiramisu
16:55:38 <phenny> "Tiramisu is an Italian dessert typically made from Lady Fingers, espresso coffee, mascarpone cheese, eggs, cream, sugar, marsala wine, and cocoa." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiramisu
16:57:27 <thelsdj> http://www.warrenellis.com/image/edison1i.gif
16:57:31 <thelsdj> gotta love edison hate future
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17:24:08 <bancus> thelsdj: the US got BSG first time around this time
17:24:12 <bancus> season two already ended last month
17:24:21 <bancus> I'm still a few eps behind, but it's pretty good.
17:24:49 <thelsdj> yea, the season finale is great
17:24:55 <bancus> ssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
17:24:58 <thelsdj> hehe
17:24:59 <thelsdj> :P
17:25:06 <bancus> I just watched S02E18 last night
17:25:10 <bancus> I still got two more
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17:30:10 <thelsdj> fun nigerian scam email of someone trying to order fictional animals: http://www.419eater.com/html/user_subs/wombles/Wombles.htm
17:34:20 <sbp> um, fictional?
17:34:26 <sbp> have you ever been to Wimbledon Common?
17:34:36 <sbp> at night? when Uncle Bulgaria's lurking around? no, you haven't
17:34:54 <sbp> is that Orinoco in the bushes, or is it just a druggie?
17:36:23 <crschmidt> oh man
17:36:29 <crschmidt> bancus: lol ing at you
17:37:37 <sbp> "1 wank monkey"
17:37:44 <sbp> I won't even ask what that does
17:38:52 *** sbp changed the topic to: ""I will be able to provide you with the wank monkey, terror parrot and even 85 wombles.""
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17:39:34 <sbp> "I will like to inform you that the 85 wombles,wank monkey and terror parrots will be delivered to you and the children shall have there lost fun back this season."
17:39:35 <sbp> hehe
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17:42:03 <BigJibby> JibbyBot, latest from list
17:42:05 <JibbyBot> [Swhack] Oxford English Dictionary for Swhack? on Sat, 15 Apr 2006 10:02:38 -0400 --http://lists.swhack.com/swhack/2006-April/000049.html
17:43:04 <crschmidt> blogbot? wha?
17:43:08 <crschmidt> << test
17:43:16 <crschmidt> JibbyBot: you're such a liar
17:43:19 <crschmidt> JibbyBot: help
17:43:20 <JibbyBot> see http://mattread.com/noets/about/ for more info.
17:43:32 <crschmidt> <<< hah
17:43:45 <crschmidt> This is me blogging. I forgot how blogbot works.
17:43:47 <crschmidt> >>>
17:43:49 <JibbyBot> crschmidt: published entry to http://mattread.com/noets/1
17:43:57 <BigJibby> JibbyBot, identify
17:47:24 <sbp> BigJibby: ooh, neato, though that isn't the latest note
17:47:59 <BigJibby> oops, ordered it the wrong way
17:49:00 <BigJibby> JibbyBot, latest from list
17:49:02 <JibbyBot> [Swhack] Re: Oxford English Dictionary for Swhack? on Sat, 15 Apr 2006 13:12:30 -0400 --http://lists.swhack.com/swhack/2006-April/000052.html
17:49:20 <crschmidt> much better
17:51:53 <sbp> thelsdj: stuff like "This one looks like Jimmy Saville, if you know him. I once broke my banjo string that connects the soft tissue of the hood to the main shaft and wrote to Jimmy asking him to fix it for me. Unfortunately he never did. Still, enough chat from me. Hope all is well for you in Nigeria right now?" would be a lot funnier to you if you were British
17:52:03 <sbp> Jimmy Saville had a kids' TV show called Jim'll Fix It
17:53:30 <sbp> wow man, I have like a zillion more responses
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18:02:29 <sbp> Dallas Morning News
18:03:35 <sbp> Sacramento Bee
18:03:48 <sbp> looks like the original crossword number was #00304
18:03:52 <sbp> hehe. this is so great
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18:12:42 <Ash> what are you doing sbp
18:16:50 <crschmidt> Ash: he was getting tons of hits on something that he discovered to be a crossword puzzle answer, so he added text to the page saying: "If you came to this page via a search for "ignis fatuus" "the fair maid", the answer is "Ireland". But I'd really like to know which newspapers the crossword's in, so if you could email me I'd be very grateful! sbp@miscoranda.com (Or you can use the form below.) Thanks!"
18:17:32 <crschmidt> and is now getting responses of all the papers that it's in -- apparently it's a NYT puzzle that was syndicated nationwide
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18:22:37 <Ash> that's hilarious
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19:06:34 <sbp> I just got off of the phone speaking to tav
19:06:48 <sbp> he's very up! he's apparently getting things really moving
19:07:09 <sbp> his phone battery just conked out, I think, but we were mainly concluded
19:12:10 <Ash> who said tav could do things
19:12:16 <Ash> I don't seem to recall authorizing that
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19:15:23 <sbp> well, you know what tav's like. takes matters into his own hands :-)
19:17:43 <sbp> still getting messages pouring in
19:18:02 <laplink> So who've we nominated to be the Wank Monkey, and how much are we charging for `im?
19:18:18 <sbp> not many new ones coming in, I think it might be an exhaustive list more or less now
19:18:41 <sbp> laplink: clearly Monty is our Wank Monkey. we could make millions!
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19:31:44 <sbp> heh, he rang back--excellent
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19:32:59 <sbp> The Daily Herald, Snohomish County, Washington
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19:35:04 <sbp> Contra Costa Times
19:35:39 <sbp> okay, thanked all of the latest batch
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21:10:53 * Arnia moos
21:11:06 <sbp> moo
21:11:07 <crschmidt> moo
21:13:12 * Arnia snickers at creative use of cross-talking conversations to get around the watershed
21:13:49 <Ash> moe
21:14:23 * Arnia buys Ash a wank monkey
21:19:37 <Arnia> So, how is all?
21:20:34 <Ash> EXCELLENT
21:20:59 * Arnia boils some Ash
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21:34:41 <thelsdj> i want a terror parrot
21:36:02 <Arnia> I want a womble so I can clean my room
21:36:38 <Jabberwock> I want a gerbil so I can
21:36:39 <Jabberwock> n/m
21:37:05 <thelsdj> can't believe they couldn't find any moomins, flumps, fraggles or a bagpuss
21:37:20 <Jabberwock> don't forget the momewraths and borogroves
21:37:38 <Arnia> Only if they have good outgrabeing action
21:37:56 <Jabberwock> they're always outgrabe
21:38:04 <Arnia> ic think it is maysome
21:38:08 <Jabberwock> well, when it is brillig
21:38:32 * Arnia refuses to complete the words
21:38:40 <thelsdj> interesting, i'm quite frumous today
21:39:12 <Jabberwock> I'm frumious myself
21:39:17 <Jabberwock> I'm feeling like quite the bandersnatch
21:39:43 <sbp> MANXOME
21:39:49 <Jabberwock> sinner.
21:39:59 <Jabberwock> You make my scales go snicker snack
21:42:33 <Arnia> I'm quite proud... got called pompous yesterday for arguing in an impersonal matter for what I believe is true and using references to justify my belief
21:42:56 <Jabberwock> Congratulations. That's certainly something to be proud of.
21:43:08 <Arnia> Apparently this is a bad thing
21:43:24 <Jabberwock> What people think of you is none of your business really
21:43:40 <Arnia> I just found it hillarious
21:43:52 <Jabberwock> Why?
21:43:58 <Jabberwock> Because someone had a different opinion?
21:44:02 <Arnia> I find most things funny
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21:44:19 <Jabberwock> It's good to see humor in everything.
21:44:56 <Arnia> Someone belittling people for not being 'rational' enough and then complaining when I use evidence to back up my positions... well, I find that to be inherently funny
21:45:07 <Jabberwock> Why?
21:45:21 <Jabberwock> You were once there.
21:45:25 <sbp> I thought humour was unanalyzable?
21:45:32 <sbp> you explain it and it goes away
21:45:34 <Jabberwock> And apparently you still are on a different degree to be bothered by i t:)
21:45:39 <sbp> instant furphie, just add water!
21:45:39 <Jabberwock> it
21:45:41 <Arnia> sbp: Ben Bergen is trying
21:45:44 <Jabberwock> mmm
21:45:59 <Arnia> Jabberwock: When was I bothered by it... I just find it funny
21:46:13 <Arnia> Jabberwock: And I've never complained because someone backed up their position
21:46:22 <Jabberwock> Arnia: Well the fact you brought it up says it bothered you in some manner
21:46:32 <Arnia> Jabberwock: Why?
21:46:34 <Jabberwock> Nothing wrong with that. There are a lot of assholes
21:46:52 <Arnia> Jabberwock: I often bring things up here that amuse me
21:46:56 <Jabberwock> Infact 90% of the population I'm convinced
21:47:03 <Jabberwock> Arnia: Why?
21:47:06 <sbp> San Mateo County Times
21:47:11 <Arnia> Especially when there is the chance of neo85-like RANDOM CARNAGE
21:47:13 <sbp> Deseret News, Salt Lake City
21:47:30 <sbp> RANDOM CARNAGE!
21:47:31 <Jabberwock> Dessert News, Your Mom
21:48:35 <Jabberwock> http://www.poetryloverspage.com/poets/poe/haunted_palace.html
21:48:38 <Arnia> Thing is, this channel (where I got told off for being pompous) simultaneously thinks of itself as the intellectual elite of freenode and yet also is very anti-academic
21:48:40 <Jabberwock> Ever feel like htat?
21:48:53 <MoiraA> lol Arnia
21:48:58 <MoiraA> you're not pompous!
21:49:07 <MoiraA> have you *heard* some people on freenode?
21:49:08 <Jabberwock> Arnia: The dumbest people will die declaiming their intelligence. That's just a sign of ignorance and immaturity
21:49:10 <sbp> #swig is probably the intellectual elite of Freenode. I doubt it's beatable
21:49:19 <Arnia> That is true
21:49:22 <Jabberwock> You can't reason with people like that. They will all gang up on you because you're simply rousing their stupidity
21:49:42 <Arnia> #swhack is probably the psychiatric hospital for freenode
21:49:56 <sbp> or whatever the opposite of that is, when Morbus is around
21:49:59 <Jabberwock> And reasoning isn't possible. It's like teaching calculus to preschoolers
21:50:07 <Jabberwock> They're on a different level and can not understand yet
21:50:11 <sbp> as MoiraA's leg can testify--as all our legs can testify, for that matter
21:50:27 <Arnia> MoiraA: Thank you kindly :)
21:50:33 <Jabberwock> see testes fly?
21:50:46 <sbp> something like that, yes
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21:51:46 <Jabberwock> Arnia: And a huge part of the problem is the fact there is no one to answer to on IRC. People like that, as stubborn and stout hearted as they are about being better than anyone else, are hiding behind this electronic medium and using it to fill a void they lack outside
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21:52:02 <Jabberwock> And they'll die denying it.
21:52:18 <Jabberwock> Most of what I'm talking about actually comes from my experience dating psychotic women :)
21:52:30 <Arnia> Mind you, have to admire their tenacity. They tried to argue for Science as Truth with me... which takes some doing since I think everyone knows how strong my opinion is on that :)
21:52:30 <Jabberwock> Never realized how comparable the two are
21:52:47 <sbp> psychosis and women?
21:52:56 <Jabberwock> Science means "to know" any way. They need to learn the meaning of the word
21:53:13 <Jabberwock> Science doesn't mean "anti everything but that which is physically perceptible"
21:53:16 * Arnia raises his eyebrows
21:53:26 <MoiraA> Arnia, this channel is a breath of fresh air compared to some :)
21:53:37 <Arnia> MoiraA: Do I want to know?
21:53:45 <sbp> like #d8uv.com? bah, that channel is rot! rot!
21:53:49 <Jabberwock> And quantum physics is evaporating that fine line between the visible and invisible
21:54:07 <MoiraA> well, I want to tell you, whether you want to know or not :)
21:54:09 * Arnia makes a ham sandwich metaphor
21:54:22 * sbp gives Arnia a free lunch
21:54:35 <Arnia> MoiraA: Go ahead :)
21:54:44 <Jabberwock> Girl...
21:54:47 <Jabberwock> You'll be a woman.. soon
21:54:57 * Arnia accepts the free lunch and hands sbp a quantum teapot
21:55:04 <MoiraA> ok, everyone is treated equally on here, nobody thinks they're "better" than anyone else
21:55:05 <sbp> man, Shania Twain feels like a woman
21:55:16 <Jabberwock> Sometimes I wonder if I'm insane. I'll go from talking reasonably intelligent to absolute random and senseless.
21:55:24 * sbp makes an intergalactic rowboat from the quantum teapot and a duck
21:55:27 <MoiraA> it's not somewhere a whole lot of script kiddies try to prove how leet they are
21:55:42 <Jabberwock> like irc.bluehell.org
21:55:56 <MoiraA> well, not been there but I believe you
21:56:05 <Jabberwock> nothing but 12 year old packet monkeys
21:56:09 <sbp> (er. a sock, not a duck. apologies to the duck)
21:56:13 <kpreid> .gc "packet monkeys"
21:56:16 <phenny> "packet monkeys": 673
21:56:19 <Jabberwock> lol
21:56:23 <sbp> unless it was the duck's egg
21:56:25 <Jabberwock> .g "packet monkeys"
21:56:27 <phenny> Jabberwock: http://searchsecurity.techtarget.com/sDefinition/0,,sid14_gci555453,00.html
21:57:16 <Jabberwock> .g "the lemon merchant"
21:57:19 <phenny> Jabberwock: http://www.clevescene.com/Issues/2004-01-21/news/feature.html
21:57:33 <Jabberwock> o k
21:57:56 <Jabberwock> http://media.newtimes.com/id/8063/Story%20Photo
21:58:00 <Jabberwock> that's lovely
21:59:13 <Arnia> Swhack is definitely my preferred hangout on IRC
21:59:39 <Arnia> I can have a decent discussion here, and still be my normal unhinged self
21:59:45 <Jabberwock> I must see I'm happy you all came into #hackers and pissed me off
21:59:48 <Ash> UNHINGED
21:59:49 <Jabberwock> Everyone here seems pretty intelligent
22:00:14 <Arnia> Jabberwock: Especially Monty... who is a cipher
22:00:31 <Arnia> Although not a present cipher it seems
22:00:44 <Jabberwock> what do you mean by cipher?
22:00:53 <Arnia> .w cipher
22:00:55 <phenny> cipher 1. a message written in a secret code
22:00:58 <phenny> cipher 2. a mathematical element that when added to another number yields the same number
22:01:02 <phenny> cipher 3. a quantity of no importance [...]
22:01:31 <Jabberwock> Oh you meant it literally
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22:02:14 * Arnia applies Monty to Jabberwock
22:02:34 <Jabberwock> Have I been blessed or cursed?
22:02:47 <Arnia> I think I may propose this channel for our next outing
22:03:07 <Arnia> Jabberwock: Depends on how coherent you wish to be
22:03:12 <Jabberwock> Runic
22:03:44 <Arnia> Perhaps twe then...
22:04:00 <Arnia> Monty is more like three-days-from-bedlam
22:04:08 <Jabberwock> Full moon!
22:04:17 <Arnia> Yes, it is Easter tomorrow
22:04:24 <sbp> eastar!
22:04:24 <Jabberwock> empty head
22:04:36 <sbp> $ code/moonphase.py
22:04:36 <sbp> Waning Gibbous (0.591)
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22:04:52 <Jabberwock> Arnia: Yay. A pagan festival stolen by Christians and celebrated by almost everyone :D
22:05:00 * Arnia is looking forward to tomorrow
22:05:05 <sbp> code/whoops_slipped_and_killed_Ash_in_the_face-again.py
22:05:07 <Jabberwock> I am too. I love candy.
22:05:20 <MoiraA> easter eggs Arnia?
22:05:27 <MoiraA> my only day off work over easter holiday
22:05:38 <sbp> you didn't get Easter Friday, Moira? suck
22:05:44 <MoiraA> nope
22:05:46 <MoiraA> nor easter monday
22:05:48 <MoiraA> nor today
22:06:01 <MoiraA> people who are rostered in tomorrow don't even get double pay
22:06:05 <MoiraA> not a bank holiday
22:06:20 <MoiraA> they're working at 7 am for £6 an hour some of them
22:06:51 <Jabberwock> I wear my sunglasses at night
22:06:55 <Jabberwock> so I can so I can..
22:07:39 <Arnia> MoiraA: Mass then an Easter dinner at a friend's... eight of us and then eggs etc
22:08:03 <Jabberwock> How do eggs tie in with the ressurrection of Christ?
22:08:08 <sbp> Arnia: easter egg hunt?
22:08:08 <Jabberwock> and bunny rabbits
22:08:10 <Arnia> MoiraA: Thankfully I got this week off (my supervisor is elsewhere atm)
22:08:11 <MoiraA> sounds good :)
22:08:20 <MoiraA> doesn't feel like easter to me
22:08:23 <Arnia> sbp: yeah... in the garden
22:08:23 <Jabberwock> and rabbits that bwack like a chicken
22:08:28 <MoiraA> just a normal working weekend :/
22:08:36 <Arnia> MoiraA: It is very late this year, which doesn't help
22:08:39 <MoiraA> true
22:08:43 <Jabberwock> I think Jesus is in the 7th dimensional frequency laughing at us
22:08:47 <MoiraA> I'm going to the rugby tomorrow :)
22:08:55 <MoiraA> no doubt Jabberwock
22:09:00 <Arnia> MoiraA: Ooh, Falcons?
22:09:06 <sbp> it's good if you're part of the Late Easter Supporters Club
22:09:07 <MoiraA> yeah, against Sale
22:09:12 <MoiraA> we'll get hammered no doubt :)
22:09:32 <Arnia> Heh... almost jealous... except I'm not a Falcons fan :)
22:09:34 <MoiraA> I remember during a boring sermon once, calculating Easter from tables in a prayer book, for the year 2050
22:09:47 <MoiraA> quite complex actually by the time you factor in leap years etc
22:09:54 * Arnia try and go to the service in the Cathedral
22:09:56 <MoiraA> and remember century years aren't leap years
22:09:59 <Arnia> +might
22:10:38 <Jabberwock> GO EAGLES
22:10:54 <MoiraA> I'll just be glad of a lie in
22:10:56 * Arnia looks at Jabberwock mildly perplexed
22:11:01 <sbp> Jabberwock: I presume you're unbritish?
22:11:05 <Jabberwock> I'm from Philly
22:11:08 <sbp> ah
22:11:08 <Jabberwock> and 100% Irish
22:11:20 <sbp> Rugby is like American Football, except no girlie padding
22:11:21 * Arnia crosses himself and grabs a rosary
22:11:27 <Arnia> Actually, where is my rosary
22:11:27 <Jabberwock> Arnia: lol
22:11:27 * sbp ducks, runs
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22:11:46 <Jabberwock> sbp: Hey enough people break bones with the padding :P
22:11:51 <Jabberwock> I don't blame them for wearing it
22:11:54 * Arnia stares at Jabberwock looking slightly cross-eyed
22:11:54 <sbp> yeah...
22:12:09 <Jabberwock> Arnia: Slainte!
22:12:09 <est> hi
22:12:15 <sbp> EST
22:12:15 <sbp> behave
22:12:22 * Arnia mutters something under his breath and a smell of frying bacon drifts through the channel
22:12:42 <Jabberwock> Arnia: That's amazing. How did you do that?
22:12:54 <est> sbp: what did i do?? :(
22:12:55 <sbp> "frying tonight"
22:13:01 <Arnia> Jabberwock: If you want to find out, read this book
22:13:04 <sbp> est: just a prediction
22:13:08 * Arnia grabs a battered book off the shelves
22:13:13 <est> sbp: you caught me
22:13:20 * Arnia hands it to Jabberwock and backs away slowly
22:13:24 <sbp> go-go-gadget prognostication
22:13:28 <Jabberwock> Arnia: I've already read it and the sequel '19 and Anal'
22:13:32 <est> what book is that?
22:13:38 <Arnia> est: The Book
22:13:43 <sbp> that book
22:13:48 <Jabberwock> What book?
22:13:51 <est> Arnia: the alan watts book of that title?
22:13:54 <Jabberwock> DSM IV?
22:14:05 <Arnia> est: You know the one with the sigils surrounding it on the shelves and the chains holding it down
22:14:40 <est> Arnia: i thought you had that in one of those special safes
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22:14:44 <sbp> o/~ I wish I could be like David Watts o/~
22:14:53 <sbp> est: not safe enough
22:14:54 <Jabberwock> I wish I could have the money of Edwin Watts
22:14:58 <Arnia> est: I leave it on the shelves nowadays to catch people unawares
22:15:02 <sbp> .wik Edwin Watts
22:15:08 <phenny> "George Edwin Bissell (16 February 1839-1920) was an American sculptor, son of a quarryman and marble-cutter, born at New Preston, Connecticut on the 16th of February 1839." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Edwin_Bissell
22:15:16 <Jabberwock> Not the same guy :P
22:15:21 <sbp> sounds rich though
22:15:27 <Jabberwock> http://www.edwinwatts.com/index.aspx
22:15:30 <sbp> mmm... marble
22:15:31 <Arnia> .wik Daventry
22:15:34 <phenny> "Daventry is a market town in Northamptonshire, England with a population of 22,367 (2001 census)." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daventry
22:15:34 <sbp> ah, ta
22:15:46 <Arnia> .wik Slough
22:15:51 <phenny> "Slough (pronounced [slaʊ]) is a town and unitary authority (Borough of Slough) in the county of Berkshire in the south of England." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slough
22:15:56 <sbp> hahaha: [[[
22:15:56 <sbp> Congratulations to Phil Mickelson
22:15:57 <sbp> Winners carry 2 drivers in their bag, how many do you have?
22:15:57 <sbp> ]]]
22:16:00 <sbp> yeah, that was rad
22:16:04 <Jabberwock> .wik Hull
22:16:06 <phenny> "the outer covering of a fruit or vegetable, may also be called a husk" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hull
22:16:10 <Jabberwock> lol
22:16:16 <Arnia> .wik Kingston-upon-Hull
22:16:18 <Jabberwock> I was supposed to spin in Hull, England
22:16:19 <phenny> "Hull or Kingston upon Hull is a city and unitary authority situated on the north bank of the Humber estuary." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingston-upon-Hull
22:16:20 <Jabberwock> never did though
22:16:24 <Jabberwock> I'm sorry. "Ull"
22:16:27 <Jabberwock> as they pronounce it
22:16:36 <Arnia> .wik High Wycombe
22:16:40 <phenny> "High Wycombe, (previously Chepping Wycombe or Chipping Wycombe) South Buckinghamshire, is 29 miles (46.4 kilometres) WNW of London, England." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Wycombe
22:16:47 <sbp> .wik Marsh Gibbon
22:16:50 <phenny> "Marsh Gibbon is a village in Buckinghamshire, England." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marsh_Gibbon
22:16:59 <Jabberwock> .wik Rosemary Altea
22:17:01 <Arnia> Oh the delights of placenames in my county
22:17:03 <phenny> Can't find anything in Wikipedia for "Rosemary Altea".
22:17:06 <Jabberwock> hmm
22:17:10 <Arnia> .wik Shepton Mallet
22:17:13 <phenny> "Shepton Mallet is a small rural town in Somerset, England, situated five miles to the east of Wells and just south of the Mendip hills." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shepton_Mallet
22:17:14 <Jabberwock> .wik Stuart Wilde
22:17:17 <phenny> "Stuart Wilde has written 17 books on self-help and sel-empowerment, spirituality and consciousness." -
