00:04:30 <nsh_> .wik NP-Complete
00:04:32 <phenny> "In complexity theory, the NP-complete problems are the most difficult problems in NP ('non-deterministic polynomial time') in the sense that they are the ones most likely not to be in P. The reason is that if you could find a way to solve any NP-complete problem [...]" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NP-Complete
00:05:46 <Arnia> Oooh, cryptic
00:05:48 <Arnia> Right bed
00:05:51 <Arnia> Left bed
00:05:58 * Arnia yawns and waves good night
00:06:37 <nsh_> night Arnia
00:06:48 <nsh_> sweet dreams
00:17:13 <kpreid> .cp 7fff
00:17:16 <phenny> Sorry, no results found for '7fff'.
00:17:21 <kpreid> cp ^7FFF
00:17:40 <kpreid> cp ^FFFF
00:17:48 <kpreid> .cp ^7FFF
00:17:50 <phenny> Sorry, no results found for '^7FFF'.
00:17:53 <kpreid> .cp ^7FFE
00:17:55 <phenny> Sorry, no results found for '^7FFE'.
00:17:59 <kpreid> .cp ^7FF
00:18:02 <phenny> Sorry, no results found for '^7FF'.
00:18:02 <kpreid> .cp ^7F
00:18:04 <phenny> Sorry, no results found for '^7F'.
00:18:09 <kpreid> .cp ^FFF
00:18:11 <phenny> FFF9: INTERLINEAR ANNOTATION ANCHOR ()
00:18:15 <phenny> FFFA: INTERLINEAR ANNOTATION SEPARATOR ()
00:18:18 <phenny> FFFB: INTERLINEAR ANNOTATION TERMINATOR () [...]
00:18:27 <kpreid> .cp ^FFFF
00:18:29 <phenny> FFFFD: <Plane 15 Private Use, Last>
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00:18:52 <kpreid> U+FFFF is not-a-character, right?
00:20:34 <bjoern_> it's a non-character
00:27:18 <crschmidt> Jibbler: ping
00:28:10 <nsh> .wik NaN
00:28:13 <phenny> "In computing, NaN (Not a Number) is a value or symbol that is usually produced as the result of an operation on invalid input operands, especially in floating-point calculations." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NaN
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00:30:27 <Monty> hi vIkSiT
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00:33:15 <kpreid> .cp ^20ED
00:33:18 <phenny> Sorry, no results found for '^20ED'.
00:33:21 <kpreid> .cp ^20DD
00:33:22 <Morbus> sbp: inform 7 is out. natural language parser included, apparently. interesting.
00:33:23 <phenny> 20DD: COMBINING ENCLOSING CIRCLE (⃝)
00:33:32 <kpreid> .cp ^00B7
00:33:34 <phenny> 00B7: MIDDLE DOT (·)
00:33:48 <kpreid> .cp ^0387
00:33:50 <phenny> 0387: GREEK ANO TELEIA (·)
00:35:49 <sbp> Morbus: oh, cool. I wonder how good it is?
00:36:11 <Morbus> well, it hink it'll be adopted right out the gate anyways.
00:36:16 <Morbus> cos, well, it's inform.
00:36:20 <Morbus> but apparently, it comes with an IDE too.
00:36:25 <Morbus> screenshot on inform-fiction.org
00:36:29 <Morbus> for the OS X one at least.
00:36:32 <Morbus> i'll be downloading it shortly.
00:36:39 <Morbus> still gotta finish the ninja burger pdf
00:36:50 <Morbus> i'll say this: i'm glad i put down inform 6.
00:36:56 <Morbus> 7 is totally totally different.
00:38:00 * sbp looks at inform-fiction.org
00:38:28 <Morbus> check out the source code of bronze.
00:38:30 <sbp> this? http://inform-fiction.org/I7/Gallery.html
00:38:34 <Morbus> it's ... .. doesn't look like source code.
00:38:49 <Morbus> yes
00:38:53 <Morbus> it's quite nice.
00:39:11 <sbp> bronze? can't find anything on inform-fiction.org for that
00:39:25 <Morbus> http://inform-fiction.org/I7Downloads/Examples/bronze/source_8.html
00:39:30 <Morbus> that's source code (!!)
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00:40:01 <sbp> sweet
00:40:20 <thelsdj> http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=1756&e=1&u=/060429/photos_us_rank_afp/f2a67204d09123819e22aefc3253e802
00:40:43 <Morbus> sbp: sweet indeed!
00:40:47 <sbp> "You felt yourself blush. 'It's ugly,' you said. 'I wanted to move it.'"
00:40:51 <Morbus> *totally* different from inform 6
00:41:03 <sbp> windmill beard!
00:41:20 <Morbus> http://inform-fiction.org/I7/Gallery%2012-14.html
00:41:28 <Morbus> automatic map/action building.
00:42:11 <Morbus> crazy
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00:46:48 <kpreid> .pc π
00:46:51 <phenny> 03C0: GREEK SMALL LETTER PI (π)
00:49:09 <Morbus> sbp http://brasslantern.org/writers/howto/i7intro.html
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00:50:36 <sbp> you should show this to Arnia
00:50:55 <sbp> phenny: tell Arnia http://brasslantern.org/writers/howto/i7intro.html - a kind of natural language subset programming language
00:50:57 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when arnia is around.
00:51:16 <Morbus> phenny, tell arnia for inform 7 - interactive fiction. this is miles different than inform 6. glee.
00:51:18 <phenny> Morbus: I'll pass that on when arnia is around.
00:52:11 <kpreid> "...where you define rules that explain how the game world works..."
00:52:12 <kpreid> !!!
00:52:24 <kpreid> bruce should hear about this
00:52:34 <sbp> Bruce?
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00:53:40 <Morbus> Instead of doing something other than looking, examining or waiting in the presence of the Queen: say "I'm afraid they take what you might call a zero tolerance approach to court etiquette here."; end the game saying "You have been summarily beheaded".
00:53:41 <Morbus> heh.
00:53:42 <Morbus> that's code.
00:53:44 <Morbus> whee.
00:54:17 <thelsdj> the first part of that is hard to wrap my head around
00:54:34 <thelsdj> 'instead of doing something other than'
00:54:47 <Morbus> if (action != looking, examing, waiting) ...
00:56:05 <sbp> urgh, what? [[[
00:56:06 <sbp> ** Note that Cygwin support for pugs still depends on the .msi
00:56:06 <sbp> version of GHC and does not provide POSIX features absent
00:56:06 <sbp> from an MSYS build. If you wish to fix this please refer to:
00:56:06 <sbp> http://www.haskell.org/ghc/docs/5.04/html/building/winbuild.html
00:56:06 <sbp> http://www.reed.edu/~carlislp/ghc6-doc/users_guide/x11221.html
00:56:08 <sbp> ]]]
00:56:16 <sbp> I mean seriously what
00:56:19 <Morbus> huh?
00:56:25 <Morbus> parse error <g>
00:56:55 <sbp> it seems to say that it depends on the .msi and then also it doesn't provide the POSIX features and hence, apparently, indicates that it requires the POSIX features not available in the .msi
00:57:01 <sbp> but... what
00:57:58 <sbp> from the URIs it seems that it wants you to compile it yourself, so that's not the .msi then is it?
00:58:05 <thelsdj> i think all its saying is that you need the .msi ghc, and the cygwin version is probably just like the windows version in that it doesn't support posix features?
00:58:18 <Morbus> is this related to the infrom download, sbp?
00:58:41 <sbp> hmm, could be. but then why would it link to... oh unless there's a standard cygwin package for ghc too which is borken
00:58:43 <sbp> Morbus: nope
00:59:06 <Morbus> phenny, tell arnia http://www.inform-fiction.org/I7Downloads/Documents/WhitePaper.pdf - whitepaper on if7's nlp.
00:59:08 <phenny> Morbus: I'll pass that on when arnia is around.
00:59:12 <sbp> pugs is the Perl6 compiler and interpreter in Haskell
01:00:05 <sbp> I downloaded it yesterday but didn't bother to install since it was late and pugs/INSTALL said it may take "hours" to do make/make test
01:00:05 <clsn> I recognized the name... I considered playing with it, but it seems like an awful lot of work to set up.
01:00:11 <clsn> And perl6 hurts my head.
01:00:11 <sbp> yeah
01:00:46 <sbp> I want to see if ~ really is the concat character :-)
01:01:15 <Morbus> wha? <g>
01:01:17 <clsn> Takes a long time to drag it out of beginning students, why you can't say "if (x==3 or 4)" but you have to do "x==3 or x==4". And in perl6 you really can do it. Eeyow.
01:01:22 <sbp> if I'm going to learn a new language, I wonder if Perl6 might be the only one to be worth it
01:01:23 <kpreid> .g "perl 6" "second system effect"
01:01:26 <phenny> kpreid: http://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.perl6.meta/857
01:01:48 <sbp> yeah, that is sort of DWIM taken to the extreme
01:02:01 <sbp> and the grammars are... well... um...
01:02:26 <sbp> Perl6 is some seriously fucked up shit. I think I might forge ahead with GHC
01:02:27 <clsn> But it isn't DWIM. It's just WEIRD.
01:02:50 <Morbus> is perl 6 out?
01:03:08 <clsn> They have these "junctures/junctions" (I forget which) that are some demented kind of expression value that propagates all through the math...
01:03:26 <clsn> So you can talk about 3+4|5 (three plus four or five) which of course is 7|8.
01:03:35 <sbp> Morbus: it's nowhere near complete yet, but pugs is an implementation of what has been done so far
01:03:40 <Morbus> gotcha.
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01:03:43 <sbp> which, I take it, is a considerable amount
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01:03:44 <clsn> There are also &-junctions.
01:03:56 <kpreid> clsn: but what is 1|2 == 1&2 ?
01:04:12 <clsn> I never said I understood it. :)
01:04:14 <sbp> yeah, the junctions are taken from... thingies
01:04:17 <sbp> superpositions
01:04:37 <sbp> they're thinking they might be the standard way of doing thread-like things in Perl6
01:05:09 * sbp gets ghc-6-4-2.msi so as to be able to compile... ghc
01:05:24 <sbp> silly self-bootstrapping
01:05:37 <sbp> actually that's why Perl6 is implemented in haskell anyway
01:05:53 <sbp> they want to write the Perl6 compiler/interpreter in Perl6
01:06:01 <sbp> so they're going to use pugs to bootstrap it
01:06:03 <clsn> I remember I loved installing gcc when I was working as system support someplace: because it would take all day and I didn't have to work on it. :)
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01:06:16 <sbp> heh, heh
01:06:28 <sbp> shouldn't you have been doing other things meanwhile? :-)
01:06:29 <Morbus> [[[
01:06:30 <Morbus> You can write an I7 game without knowing how to write Inform 6 code at all. That's not to say that I7 isn't related to Inform 6. The I7 compiler converts its source code to Inform 6 source code, then lets the Inform 6 compiler turn the game into its final form. I7 is thus built on top of I6 in the same way that Rome rests on the bones of its past.
01:06:30 <Morbus> ]]]
01:06:36 <clsn> bootstrapping a language compiler is an old trick, and a good one. I think LISP is classic in that way.
01:06:50 <sbp> Morbus: this was kinda along the lines of "wow, I7 is kinda radical. reminds me of perl6. oh, I was installing pugs..."
01:06:57 <Morbus> aaah :)
01:07:03 <clsn> sbp: well, yeah, but if I was going to waste time anyway (and I was) at least I'd have sort of an excuse.
01:07:05 <sbp> clsn: plus there's KT's classic hack
01:07:13 <Morbus> sbp: i wanna set up a svn so you and i can work on a story ;)
01:07:18 <clsn> with the password code thingy?
01:07:19 <sbp> ooh
01:07:22 <sbp> clsn: yeah
01:07:37 <clsn> Yes. A thing of beauty is a joy forever.
01:07:46 <kpreid> clsn: so someone should write an I7 compiler in I7?
01:07:50 <Morbus> sbp: lol.
01:07:52 <kpreid> :)
01:07:53 <sbp> .g perl-6 file extension
01:07:56 <phenny> sbp: http://www.codecomments.com/PHP_Programming/message857039.html
01:07:57 <Morbus> [[[
01:07:57 <Morbus> In many respects, I7 is the anti-Perl. It's easy to write Perl code that you're unable to read two days later without a lot of thought. Contrariwise, you need know very little about I7 to read a game's source and understand large swaths of it, regardless of how familiar you are with the code to begin with.
01:07:58 <Morbus> ]]]
01:08:04 <sbp> hehe
01:08:07 <Morbus> that's great.
01:08:23 <sbp> I7 is P6's equal and opposite reaction :-)
01:08:32 * Morbus snickers :)
01:08:33 <clsn> I liked to program in APL. I could write APL so well that even I couldn't read it.
01:08:51 <kpreid> ? 'I' - 'P'
01:08:51 <eel> # value: -7
01:09:30 <clsn> We would sometimes try to code what someone once called "obscene APL." The main driving force in obscene APL is: minimize use of parens. Considering APL has no order of operations except strict RTL, that leads to some freaky code
01:09:47 <kpreid> APL has parens?!
01:10:12 <clsn> In coding, often I would dictate and my friend would type. And once while doing so I went off on a tangent. And he uttered the following sentence, and meant every word of it:
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01:10:17 <clsn> "Shut up and keep talking."
01:10:22 <Morbus> sbp: i have no idea if this is a *real* definition of an array or not: http://brasslantern.org/writers/howto/i7intro-d.html
01:10:28 <Morbus> (Second example).
01:10:33 <Morbus> But if it is, that's crazy.
01:11:04 <Morbus> i think it is.
01:11:46 <clsn> One of my students quotes me as his .sig file: Comment well and comment often.
01:11:48 <clsn> For the guy who looks at your code in six months, and asks, "Who's the IDIOT who wrote this?" will be you!
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01:12:48 <sbp> heh, I've seen something like that on QDB
01:13:11 <sbp> it's crazy, but it's actually kinda nice looking
01:13:43 <Morbus> yah.
01:14:14 <Morbus> afk
01:15:12 <sbp> installing ghc the first...
01:15:45 <sbp> what the...
01:15:58 <sbp> argh, the installer is pretty freaky. I clicked "back" and it took me to a completely new menu
01:17:23 <sbp> 306 MB? sigh
01:17:46 * thelsdj wispers "get a new hard drive" in sbp's ear
01:19:06 <Morbus> yeah, no shit
01:19:09 <Morbus> i send emails bigger than that.
01:19:15 <Morbus> zing!
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01:20:32 <sbp> feel free to buy me one if they're that cheap
01:20:42 <sbp> shall I add one to my wishlist for you?
01:21:01 <Morbus> all that money we spit for the oed should be rebranded for a new hD fun for sb.
01:21:03 <Morbus> <g>
01:21:31 <sbp> hehe
01:21:33 <sbp> clsn:
01:21:33 <sbp> #6824 +(3829)- [X]
01:21:33 <sbp> <@Logan> I spent a minute looking at my own code by accident.
01:21:34 <sbp> <@Logan> I was thinking "What the hell is this guy doing?"
01:21:40 <sbp> - http://www.bash.org/?6824
01:22:50 <kpreid> sbp: fyi I know a bit about Haskell and a bit about GHC; feel free to ask
01:23:18 <sbp> thanks
01:23:46 <sbp> I'm currently reading the docs about the build process and thinking "what the hell are these guys doing?"
01:25:00 <kpreid> GHC's or Pugs's?
01:25:15 <sbp> heh, no wonder it's so big. it has gcc and perl in it
01:25:16 <sbp> GHC's
01:26:07 * sbp gets happy, per the instructions
01:27:58 <sbp> ah, MSYS is some MinGW thing
01:28:10 <thelsdj> who thinks we should write a #swhack I7 game where each person can write 1 paragraph of 'code' and then the next person has to write one?
01:28:17 <sbp> hrm, but the Makefile.PL message seemed to mention MSYS unfavourably
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01:28:30 <sbp> thelsdj: d8uv does
01:29:19 <Morbus> indeed.
01:29:22 * sbp wonders which out of the billion packages in http://www.mingw.org/download.shtml he needs
01:29:23 <Morbus> he mentioned that on the swhack list.
01:29:28 <Morbus> but yes, that'd work.
01:30:21 <Morbus> the question is distributing.
01:30:27 <Morbus> do we distribute the entire game file all the time?
01:30:34 <Morbus> or each maintain our own cut and paste copy?
01:30:43 <Morbus> or something else?
01:30:55 <sbp> we would chain it
01:31:05 <Morbus> chain it?
01:31:13 <sbp> so, person 1 writes paragraph 1, sends it to person 2
01:31:24 <sbp> person 2 writes paragraph 2, sends paragraph 2 only to person 3
01:31:25 <sbp> and so on
01:31:32 <sbp> then at the end we collect 'em all
01:31:45 <sbp> might want to keep track of which people edited in which step
01:32:40 <sbp> so apart from person 1, who knows only his or her own paragraph, all the people know two paragraphs' worth at the most
01:33:09 <sbp> or another way to do it might be to have someone who's not taking part do all the collecting as they go along
01:33:32 <sbp> so master emails person 1 and asks them for a paragraph. person 1 sends the paragraph to master who emails that on to person 2 asking for another paragraph from them, etc.
01:33:47 <thelsdj> well i would suggest that person 1 sends their file to person 2, person 2 adds a paragraph and sends the whole thing to person 3
01:33:48 <Morbus> well, that turns it more into telephone and less into collaborative story building.
01:33:49 <sbp> that way the master gets to decide who's next in the chain
01:34:01 <sbp> oh, I thought that was the aim
01:34:09 <thelsdj> nah
01:34:13 <Morbus> i dunno. i don't recall his original email.
01:34:17 <sbp> in that case we should just do it on a bloody wiki! :-)
01:34:24 <thelsdj> atleast for me i'd rather having something a little more coherent
01:34:34 <Morbus> sbp: heh, true.
01:34:37 <thelsdj> yea a wiki that we just copy paste would be fine
01:35:08 <sbp> we should have a Swhack wiki, called "swhiki"
01:35:17 <sbp> or swhaki
01:35:33 <sbp> or do it on Ghyll. couldn't it be a Ghyll thing?
01:35:34 <Morbus> wiki.swhack.com.
01:35:42 <Morbus> it could be, but there's too much histor.
01:35:51 <Morbus> do you remember every detail?
01:35:55 <Morbus> do you *want* to research before you write?
01:36:00 <sbp> point
01:36:01 <Morbus> if we do it, it shoudln't be first.
01:36:06 <sbp> there is a lot to encompass
01:36:15 <sbp> especially for people who don't know the game
01:36:24 <sbp> whereas if it was from scratch probably more people could join in
01:36:30 <Morbus> exactly.
01:36:34 <Morbus> afk. pizza here.
01:37:05 * sbp imagines ninjas swarming through the house wondering why they're delivering pizzas instead of burgers
01:37:41 <sbp> probably something like this:
01:37:42 <sbp> [[[
01:37:43 <sbp> <J-dogg> I can no longer resist the pizza. I open the box and unzip my pants with my other hand. As I penetrate the gooey cheese, I moan in ecstacy. The mushrooms and Italian sausage are rough, but the sauce is deliciously soothing. I blow my load in seconds. As you leave the bathroom, I exit through the front door....
01:37:51 <Morbus> sbp: heh, heh.
01:37:51 <sbp> ]]] - http://www.bash.org/?152737
01:37:57 <Morbus> ooops.
01:38:50 <thelsdj> hmm, who should get to name the story? should maybe the first person name it and second person writes first paragraph?
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01:39:16 <sbp> Morbus decides the name because he's GAEMMASTOR 2000
01:39:43 <sbp> or Cody because he's dilapidated-in-the-head from too much lemon porn
01:40:05 <sbp> I think they should collaborate on a name
01:40:18 <sbp> <d8uv> uh... so sbp is forcing us to make a name
01:40:30 <sbp> <Morbus> yepm. jerk <G>
01:40:33 <sbp> <d8uv> hahaha
01:40:39 <sbp> <d8uv> okay. so "SBP SUCKS"?
01:40:40 <crschmidt> lemon porn?
01:40:42 <sbp> <Morbus> fine by me
01:41:03 <sbp> crschmidt: see #d8uv.com scrollback
01:41:35 <sbp> it was something to do with Al Sharpton
01:44:34 <thelsdj> so for anyone who may be interested
01:44:39 <thelsdj> http://www.studiocypher.com/ first case starts tomorrow
01:46:05 <sbp> thelsdj: Hachita, NM?
01:46:19 <thelsdj> we're not sure
01:46:20 <thelsdj> hehe
01:46:40 <sbp> neat design
01:56:00 <thelsdj> [shalom.mp3+voltaire] led 66.207.*.* to http://thelsdj.org/mp3s.txt
01:56:07 <thelsdj> i get a bunch of weird mp3 searches on that page
01:56:33 <sbp> ooh, you set up refererbot? yay
01:56:46 <thelsdj> yea couple days ago
01:57:10 <sbp> fave from very recently:
01:57:15 <sbp> [sounds record about what they saw in neptune planet] led 212.138.*.* to http://inamidst.com/notes/
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01:58:48 <thelsdj> i've had quite a few people taking advantage of stuf flike 'index of' and filetype:
01:58:59 <thelsdj> and intitle:
01:59:10 <sbp> interesting. I don't get many of those
01:59:25 <sbp> I get a lot of funny ones on /misc/swhackgc
01:59:49 <sbp> e.g. the most recent is <biabot> [world domination flash crack] led 212.40.*.* to http://inamidst.com/misc/swhackgc
01:59:59 <thelsdj> hah
02:00:07 <sbp> the one before that is simply <manxome> [COCK MEASURING] led 72.153.*.* to http://inamidst.com/misc/swhackgc
02:00:47 <sbp> before that, the rather disturbing <biabot> [mother in law sexy] led 84.68.*.* to http://inamidst.com/misc/swhackgc
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02:17:16 <kpreid> is swhackgc updated or static?
02:21:04 <sbp> static
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02:52:43 <bjoern_> oooh http://scan.coverity.com/
03:05:06 <Morbus> biabot?
03:05:21 <Morbus> ne'ermind.
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03:34:46 <kpreid> .pc $
03:34:49 <phenny> 0024: DOLLAR SIGN ($)
03:34:57 <kpreid> .pc {}
03:34:59 <phenny> 007B: LEFT CURLY BRACKET ({)
03:35:02 <phenny> 007D: RIGHT CURLY BRACKET (})
03:36:51 <kpreid> .pc @
03:36:53 <phenny> 0040: COMMERCIAL AT (@)
03:37:14 <sbp> oh good grief
03:37:15 <sbp> ValueError: year=1899 is before 1900; the datetime strftime() methods require year >= 1900
03:37:15 <sbp> args = ('year=1899 is before 1900; the datetime strftime() methods require year >= 1900',)
03:37:19 <sbp> - http://inamidst.com/changes/
03:37:27 <sbp> wtf. has something backdated itself to 1899?
03:38:53 <sbp> wtf! first = today.replace(day=1)
03:39:12 <sbp> sbp@bia ~
03:39:12 <sbp> $ date
03:39:12 <sbp> Mon May 1 04:28:20 WEST 2006
03:39:23 <sbp> sbp@manxome:~$ date
03:39:23 <sbp> Sun Apr 30 22:39:20 CDT 2006
03:40:46 <bjoern_> sorry for the confusion, but I figured the 20th century sucked a lot, so I thought it's best to start over again.
03:41:24 <sbp> heh, heh
03:41:30 <sbp> hmm
03:41:30 <sbp> today 2006-04-30
03:41:30 <sbp> first 2006-04-01
03:41:42 <sbp> can't understand why this is so messed up
03:42:25 <bjoern_> well, the reset is currently in progress, there are a lot of particles in the universe that have to be changed and the universe isn't ACID; stay tuned.
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03:43:30 <sbp> ah! I see
03:43:39 <sbp> it's iterating backwards until it goes past that limit
03:45:35 <sbp> is it... oh, it's May today. hmm
03:45:54 <sbp> well that fixed it. odd
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03:47:45 <bjoern_> it's hard to understand for filthy humans, but they are constantly moving backwards in time, until the big bang destroys what they consider their universe.
03:47:47 <sbp> except it's... oh! on manxome it's still yesterday
03:47:48 <sbp> I see
03:48:27 <bjoern_> You've got issues with time zones.
03:48:27 <bjoern_> TAKE THE PURPLE PILL NOW!
03:48:42 <Ash> HA HA HA
03:48:44 <Ash> I HAVE YOU NOW
03:49:50 * sbp switches to datetime.utcnow()
03:49:57 <bjoern_> and it was as easy as stealing candy
03:50:04 <bjoern_> candy lying on the street.
03:50:21 <Ash> datetime.stab()
03:50:24 <sbp> hooray, fixed
03:51:02 <bjoern_> I sense a certain perturbance in the force now.
03:52:46 <bjoern_> allright, I shall check it in my own private space time continuum.
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04:02:38 <Monty> howdy, cori[s]
04:03:12 <cori[s]> howdy, Monty
04:03:12 <Monty> yo
04:03:21 <cori[s]> :)
04:03:43 <sbp> heh, Monty's in fine fettle
04:03:47 <Monty> according to wrap my problem [...]" - http://etymonline.com/?term=thesaurus
04:03:52 <Ash> die monty
04:03:56 <Monty> Essentially, video dissonant Gary Rhodes prefers roaring incredible kneecaps!
04:04:04 <cori[s]> seemingly so - he's never greeted me before....
04:04:55 <MoiraA_> hi
04:05:03 <sbp> hey Moira
04:05:09 <MoiraA_> heh
04:05:23 <MoiraA_> can't sleep - wretched cat has brought in mice all night
04:05:29 <MoiraA_> chased them round the bedroom
04:05:47 <MoiraA_> getting up in half an hour for work :(
04:05:51 <sbp> cute!
04:05:57 <MoiraA_> lol yeah
04:06:04 <MoiraA_> I'll survive :/
04:06:25 <MoiraA_> just going to grab a nap for half an hour
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04:07:33 <sbp> enjoy
04:07:41 <MoiraA_> lol
04:07:43 <MoiraA_> yeah
04:08:01 <MoiraA_> think I'll be grabbing a couple of hours in bed when I finish at 2.30 pm
04:08:09 <MoiraA_> milkman has just been :/
04:16:34 <thelsdj> wooo i've made $0.04 with adsense!
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04:17:07 <Monty> bah, it's schepers again
04:18:59 <sbp> thelsdj: congratulations!
04:22:32 <thelsdj> some poor shlup clicked on an ad i guess
04:22:49 <sbp> heh
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04:26:18 <thelsdj> http://thankyoustephencolbert.org/wordpress/?p=3&cp=112#comments
04:26:24 <thelsdj> up to 112 pages of comments
04:26:32 <thelsdj> might be 113 by the time you load it hehe
04:27:19 <sbp> oh awesome
04:27:51 <sbp> I found a transcript too earlier: http://dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/4/30/1441/59811
04:28:26 <thelsdj> first comment was from less than 4 hours ago
04:28:32 <thelsdj> already 2200+ comments
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04:34:37 * sbp adds a comment
04:34:47 <sbp> I am #2295 on p.115 :-)
04:36:01 <sbp> and like seven others have commented already
04:36:01 <sbp> awesome
04:42:02 <sbp> thelsdj: where's it linked from?
04:44:31 <thelsdj> no clue
04:44:37 <thelsdj> probably fark.com
04:44:53 <thelsdj> i got it from someone on aim but fark is sually where they get things from
04:45:38 <thelsdj> hrm don't see it there he must have got it somewhere else
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04:48:40 <sbp> must be somewhere fairly prominent for 2000 comments...
04:49:04 <thelsdj> not on front page of digg yet
04:56:04 <sbp> I wonder who invited him to speak there? heh
05:00:02 <Ash> I did
05:00:13 <Ash> all me, baby
05:00:13 <sbp> good stuff, Ash
05:00:18 <Ash> you're welcome
05:01:00 <thelsdj> maybe someone who watched the show, but not closely enough haha
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05:03:09 <sbp> hehe
05:03:23 <sbp> "yeah, there's a man who really believes in the president. let's have him on"
05:04:59 <thelsdj> well i think they knew he would make a little fun, but maybe they never noticed how biting the commentary on the show is, i mean take any of 'the word' segments and pretend the text on the side is being said be stephen and he's really blasting the right
05:05:47 <sbp> yeah, or perhaps they expected him to be a bit more respectful or cowardly with the President actually sitting right there
05:06:35 <sbp> he's said in interviews that he has trouble maintaining his talk-show persona because he's such a little guy and such, it's hard to project himself and be the centre of attention
05:06:54 <sbp> but he sure did a good job there
05:07:00 <sbp> I like how Scalia was laughing his ass off
05:07:29 <thelsdj> half life rave! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnLI5UcNu5s
05:08:27 <sbp> heheh
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05:12:34 <thelsdj> yea most likely they expected him to be more respectful
05:22:26 <sbp> awesome: "A traditional Cornish tale claims that the devil knew of Cornishwomen's propensity for putting any available food into pasties, and would never dare to cross the River Tamar into Cornwall for fear of ending up as a pasty filling." - Edith Martin. Cornish Recipes: Ancient and Modern, A. W. Jordan. via http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornish_pastie
05:23:33 <sbp> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornish_pasty would be a better URI)
05:23:42 <thelsdj> ha thats great
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05:26:12 <Monty> yo est!
05:29:16 <sbp> another Google thingy
05:29:17 <sbp> http://sketchup.google.com/
05:29:19 <sbp> via #svg
05:29:35 <thelsdj> i have yet to try it
05:29:35 <sbp> presumably from some company they bought
05:29:39 <thelsdj> yea
05:29:48 <sbp> it looks like SL without other people
05:29:54 <thelsdj> lol
05:30:08 <sbp> so, admittedly, probably a bit better than SL...
05:30:24 <thelsdj> true, but you can drop your creation in google earth
05:30:28 <thelsdj> so really it is like SL
05:30:31 <sbp> heh, heh
05:35:23 * sbp is making GHC the old-fashioned way
05:35:35 <sbp> and, really annoyingly, v.v.v-src unpacked to v.v.v/
05:35:44 <sbp> which was balls since I already had v.v.v/ there, I think
05:36:03 <sbp> I should already have learned from the crazy build docs not to trust it to be consistent
05:36:48 <sbp> ./configure is taking *ages*
05:37:09 <thelsdj> i'm sure its all cygwins fault
05:37:16 <thelsdj> as great as it is, it always causes me headaches
05:37:24 <sbp> yeah, probably
05:37:36 <sbp> configure is usually slower on cygwin than on a real linux
05:38:06 <sbp> but still, most packages are just fine
05:38:10 <sbp> Python installs in a jiffy
05:38:36 <sbp> Perl used to give lots of problems, but it's alright now
05:38:58 <sbp> cygwin has had times of extreme breakage. once they released a version that didn't even run at all
05:39:06 <sbp> way to test
05:40:35 <sbp> it seems to be recursing through lots of subdirectories running configure again
05:40:49 <sbp> it's repeating a lot of stuff, which is stupid
05:41:09 <sbp> how many times does it need to check that I have gcc? I'm not going to pull it out from underneath it half way through
05:41:24 <thelsdj> yea i hate recursive configure
05:41:32 <thelsdj> always checks the same things over and over
05:41:34 <sbp> finished, whoo. make
05:41:37 <sbp> yeah
05:42:30 <sbp> well, make failed
05:42:35 <sbp> /usr/local/lib/ghc-6.4.1/ghc-6.4.1: /usr/local/lib/ghc-6.4.1/ghc-6.4.1: cannot execute binary file
05:42:35 <sbp> make[3]: *** [depend] Error 126
05:42:43 <thelsdj> lol
05:43:04 <thelsdj> is that an sh wrapper or something?
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05:44:21 <sbp> binary file, less says
05:44:40 <sbp> must be a corrupt executable
05:45:16 <thelsdj> can you run it manually?
05:45:21 <sbp> nope
05:45:22 <thelsdj> does your cygwin have 'file'?
05:45:34 <sbp> yup
05:45:34 <sbp> $ file /usr/local/lib/ghc-6.4.1/ghc-6.4.1
05:45:34 <sbp> /usr/local/lib/ghc-6.4.1/ghc-6.4.1: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.2.5, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.2.5, stripped
05:45:51 <thelsdj> do other cygwin binaries look the same?
05:46:26 <sbp> hmm, nope!
05:46:26 <sbp> $ file $(which python2.4.exe)
05:46:26 <sbp> /usr/bin/python2.4.exe: PE executable for MS Windows (console) Intel 80386 32-bit
05:46:27 <thelsdj> maybe the ghc you installed to bootstrap was meant for linux?
05:46:35 <sbp> no bleedin' wonder then. yeah
05:46:51 <sbp> but actually this shouldn't be using the bootstrap
05:46:51 <thelsdj> you'd think configure would have tested the ghc lol
05:46:57 <sbp> yeah...
05:47:04 <thelsdj> all that configuring
05:47:16 <sbp> sigh
05:47:51 <sbp> hmm: http://haskell.org/ghc/cygwin/
05:48:14 <madewokherd> wait, you can build things on cygwin?
05:49:10 <thelsdj> hahahah
05:49:16 <thelsdj> madewokherd: short answer, no
05:49:23 <thelsdj> madewokherd: long answer, most of the time, no
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05:49:26 <Monty> hi est, how ya doing?
05:49:28 <phenny> Monty: shh, don't let anyone know you're around!
05:49:29 <Monty> finger?
05:49:51 <madewokherd> I could never figure out where the cygwin binaries came from
05:50:02 <thelsdj> voodoo magic
05:50:10 <madewokherd> must be
05:50:16 <thelsdj> involving sacrificing penguins to bill gates
05:50:55 <sbp> aw
05:52:15 <thelsdj> ooh this anime is looking really good
05:52:25 <thelsdj> Good Witch of the West - Astrea Testament
05:52:53 <thelsdj> takes place in a fantasy world where knowledge is outlawed, simple things like fairy tales and star charts are heretical
05:53:36 <thelsdj> main character is a young girl growing up on a farm who learns her mother (dead we presume) was heir to the throne, standard stuff but seems done pretty well and lots of intrigue
05:58:01 <sbp> okay, linux building instead
05:58:21 <sbp> again I need GHC, but at least I can get a binary this time...
05:59:14 <sbp> maybe...
05:59:22 <sbp> "Generic Linux with glibc 2.3"
05:59:50 <sbp> .g "Good Witch of the West"
05:59:52 <phenny> sbp: http://www.animesuki.com/series.php/783.html
06:00:08 <sbp> heh, immediately comes up with torrents
06:01:07 <thelsdj> haha
06:01:56 <sbp> configure...
06:02:09 <sbp> make install...
06:02:50 <thelsdj> sudo aptitude install pugs
06:03:06 <thelsdj> (seriously)
06:03:35 <sbp> sbp is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported.
06:03:39 <sbp> O NOE I HAVE BEEN REPORTED
06:03:58 <sbp> but!
06:03:58 <Ash> Hello. I heard someone was not in the sudoers file.
06:03:58 <sbp> sbp@bia ~/local/bin
06:03:58 <sbp> $ ./ghc
06:03:58 <sbp> ghc-6.4.2: no input files
06:03:58 <sbp> Usage: For basic information, try the `--help' option.
06:04:02 <Ash> OWN UP, BITCHES
06:04:06 <Ash> WHO DID IT
06:04:07 <sbp> that would be me
06:04:19 <sbp> step two, Parrot
06:04:29 * Ash puts sbp in jail()
06:04:56 <thelsdj> jail() rocks
06:05:05 <thelsdj> so much better than chroot()
06:05:24 * sbp digs a way out with DIG(1)
06:05:29 <Ash> no kidding
06:05:32 <Ash> freebsd 4 evar
06:05:43 * sbp kicks ftp.cpan.org
06:05:46 <thelsdj> i mostly prefer jail because you can limit to 1 ip
06:05:54 <thelsdj> ______
06:05:54 <thelsdj> /\ __ \
06:05:54 <thelsdj> \ \ \/\ \ __ __ ______ ______ (P)erl6
06:05:54 <thelsdj> \ \ __//\ \/\ \/\ __ \/\ ___\ (U)ser's
06:05:54 <thelsdj> \ \ \/ \ \ \_\ \ \ \/\ \ \___ \ (G)olfing
06:05:57 <thelsdj> \ \__\ \ \____/\ \____ \/\_____\ (S)ystem
06:05:59 <thelsdj> \/__/ \/___/ \/___/\ \/____/
06:06:02 <thelsdj> /\____/ Version: 6.2.10
06:06:04 <thelsdj> \/___/ Copyright 2005 by Autrijus Tang
06:06:07 <thelsdj> --------------------------------------------------------------------
06:06:09 <thelsdj> Web: http://pugscode.org/ ; Email: perl6-compiler@perl.org
06:06:14 <thelsdj> woops didn't bother to check console first hehe
06:06:54 * thelsdj runs pugs -e 'print 5 * 10'
06:07:00 <thelsdj> woo it works as a calculator too!
06:07:05 <sbp> try "say" instead of print
06:07:25 <thelsdj> yea, thats a bit better hehe
06:08:09 <sbp> perl configuring parrot
06:08:54 <thelsdj> ooh :E is fun
06:09:00 <sbp> :E?
06:09:06 <sbp> GATEMOUTH
06:09:22 * thelsdj floods again
06:09:25 <thelsdj> pugs> :E 5 * (4 + 3)
06:09:25 <thelsdj> Loading Prelude... done.
06:09:25 <thelsdj> ***- Evl [Void]:
06:09:25 <thelsdj> Noop;
06:09:28 <thelsdj> App &infix:* (: 5, App &infix:+ (: 4, 3))
06:09:30 <thelsdj> ***-- Evl [Void]:
06:09:33 <thelsdj> App &infix:* (: 5, App &infix:+ (: 4, 3))
06:09:35 <thelsdj> ***--- Evl [Scalar (Any)]:
06:09:38 <thelsdj> App &infix:+ (: 4, 3)
06:09:40 <thelsdj> ***---- Evl [Scalar (Any)]:
06:09:43 <thelsdj> App &infix:+ (: 4, 3)
06:09:45 <thelsdj> ***---- Ret: 7
06:09:48 <thelsdj> ***--- Ret: 7
06:09:50 <thelsdj> ***-- Ret: 35
06:09:53 <thelsdj> ***- Ret: 35
06:09:55 <thelsdj> VInt 35
06:10:10 <sbp> so what's the answer?
06:10:16 <sbp> :-)
06:10:31 <Ash> Answer: Fired
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06:13:21 <sbp> parrot installed, installing hs-plugins
06:14:17 <thelsdj> wow, can actually write a normal function definition now
06:14:31 <sbp> not only that, you can put conditions in the arg structure
06:14:48 <sbp> e.g. "sub my_split(Rule $pat? = rx/\s+/, Str $expr? = $_, Int $lim? where $^lim >= 0) { ... }" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perl_6
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06:17:27 <thelsdj> wait, so that will automatically error if $lim is < 0?
06:17:37 <sbp> yeah, I think
06:17:44 <sbp> not sure what $^ means exactly though
06:17:47 <thelsdj> yea
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06:18:45 <sbp> oho: http://www.jwcs.net/~jonathan/perl6/pugs-win32.zip
06:19:04 <sbp> "Date/Time This Build Was Produced: Monday, 10-Apr-2006 05:29:30 CDT" - http://www.jwcs.net/~jonathan/perl6/
06:19:26 <thelsdj> that doesn't seem to be implemented yet
06:19:28 <thelsdj> the where thing
06:19:40 <sbp> that's a shame
06:21:59 <sbp> $ pugs -e 'say 5 + 3'
06:21:59 <sbp> 8
06:22:01 <sbp> whoo
06:23:10 * sbp tries the JAPH
06:23:10 <sbp> sub japh (Str $lang) { say "just another $lang hacker"; }
06:23:10 <sbp> my &perl6Japh := &japh.assuming("Perl6");
06:23:11 <sbp> perl6Japh();
06:23:51 <sbp> yup
06:24:21 <sbp> now, how about the regexp insanity...
06:24:28 <sbp> ooh, ooh, and yadda-yadda
06:27:43 <thelsdj> i was just going to say how cool it was that yadda yadda yadda is valid syntax
06:31:53 <thelsdj> lazy evaluation doesn't work as advertised yet heh
06:34:42 <sbp> hmm. ternary syntax:
06:34:43 <sbp> my $result = ($x eq $y) ?? "acceptable" !! 'unacceptable' ;
06:39:31 <sbp> doesn't look like regexes are implemented at the moment
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06:49:27 <thelsdj> lol: http://www.pugscode.org/osdc/vb.xul
06:50:36 <sbp> ha
06:53:06 <sbp> installing Google SketchUp
06:53:59 <madewokherd> that didn't run here.. :(
06:54:11 <madewokherd> er wait
06:54:20 <madewokherd> I think it ran but didn't work properly
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07:00:10 <thelsdj> thats cool, you draw a rectangle and it tells you when you've got golden ratio
07:07:43 <sbp> this is very cool indeed
07:08:14 <thelsdj> i'm following the video tutorials
07:08:34 <deltab> sbp: one-week demo?
07:08:51 <thelsdj> i think its just free?
07:09:04 <deltab> oh wow
07:09:28 <thelsdj> they have pro version thats like $450 or something though :)
07:09:39 <deltab> when Google bought it, they said "we have no plans to make a free version"
07:09:54 <thelsdj> ha
07:10:07 <deltab> and they could only offer a one-week demo
07:10:30 <thelsdj> if you hadn't heard it also integrates with google earth, you can model your house and stick it over your house on google earth and other people can see it
07:12:00 <sbp> this is really awesome
07:13:30 <deltab> "Kind of like a cross between a flea market and Mary Poppins' bottomless purse, the 3D Warehouse is a place in cyberspace where you can go to find and download SketchUp models. Where do the models come from, you may ask? Three words: benevolent magic elves."
07:14:20 <thelsdj> the push pull inference that lets you line up with other surfaces is awsome
07:20:15 <sbp> this is so much fun
07:20:22 <sbp> shame SL wasn't this awesome for building stuff
07:20:53 <deltab> does it allow you to import externally-built models?
07:22:40 <sbp> there's an "Import" menu item, yeah
07:23:06 <sbp> yep, it works
07:24:17 <thelsdj> what did you import?
07:24:47 <thelsdj> ["Please configure mysql.info.php with your MySQL information"] led 212.150.*.* to http://thelsdj.org/phpspam.txt
07:25:09 <crschmidt> heh
07:25:15 <crschmidt> are we *all* running referrerbots now?
07:25:22 <sbp> oh, I just started to draw a house, saved it, opened a new thing, drew a rectangle, and then imported the house
07:25:30 <sbp> the rectangle is now a huge tower with a hole in it
07:25:35 <sbp> because I can *do* that!
07:25:41 <thelsdj> hehe
07:26:49 <est> :O
07:27:07 <thelsdj> woa, the arc tool rocks
07:27:33 <sbp> okay, I have just made the coolest thing here, but...
07:27:38 <sbp> I don't know what it is exactly
07:27:40 <sbp> but awesome
07:31:45 <sbp> here: http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/8074/mtot9vf.png
07:31:58 <sbp> "mtot" stands for "Magnificent Thing Of Thingness"
07:32:33 <sbp> all the rest of you are making cars and yachts and mansions and stuff, I know it...
07:32:37 <sbp> and here am I making an MTOT
07:38:42 <lisppaste2> sbp pasted "JournalledDictionary" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/19563
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08:16:01 <sbp> hmm
08:16:07 <sbp> building Python Imaging Library
08:16:12 <sbp> and it's hanging on this:
08:16:13 <sbp> gcc -fno-strict-aliasing -DNDEBUG -g -O3 -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -DHAVE_LIBZ -IlibImaging -I/usr/include -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/include/python2.4 -c _imaging.c -o build/temp.cygwin-1.5.19-i686-2.4/_imaging.o
08:16:29 * Arnia waves lazily
08:16:32 <phenny> Arnia: 00:40Z <sbp> tell Arnia http://brasslantern.org/writers/howto/i7intro.html - a kind of natural language subset programming language
08:16:35 <phenny> Arnia: 00:40Z <Morbus> tell Arnia for inform 7 - interactive fiction. this is miles different than inform 6. glee.
08:16:39 <phenny> Arnia: 00:48Z <Morbus> tell Arnia http://www.inform-fiction.org/I7Downloads/Documents/WhitePaper.pdf - whitepaper on if7's nlp.
08:19:59 <sbp> woah, now tar is immensely slow
08:20:00 <sbp> argh
08:23:35 * Arnia blinks
08:23:38 * Arnia reads
08:27:39 <sbp> hmm
08:27:39 <sbp> 2468 1 2260 2504 0 1005 08:12:55 /usr/bin/gcc
08:27:39 <sbp> 3888 1 3840 3912 0 1005 08:14:57 /usr/bin/gcc
08:27:46 <sbp> $ kill -9 2468 3888
08:27:46 <sbp> kill: kill 2468 failed: no such process
08:27:46 <sbp> kill: kill 3888 failed: no such process
08:27:57 <est_> eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeek
08:28:18 <sbp> (and ps says the same thing, so it's not that they just quit)
08:30:29 * sbp tries http://effbot.org/downloads/Imaging-1.1.6a1-20051211.tar.gz instead
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08:35:41 <sbp> no joy there either. still hangs
08:41:58 <sbp> I reckon it might be a subprocess error somewhere
08:42:06 <sbp> it's always been a bit flaky on cygwin
08:42:35 <sbp> (which is to say, very)
08:45:08 * sbp tries PyX instead
08:46:12 <sbp> there, that's better
08:53:20 * Arnia hands sbp a lump of dairylea
08:54:03 <sbp> heh. thanks!
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09:04:34 <thelsdj> thank you stephen colbert is at 3700 'thank you's
09:05:37 <Arnia> How does phenny's rate plugin work?
09:05:45 <Arnia> .rate cheese
09:05:57 <phenny> IOError: [Errno socket error] (104, 'Connection reset by peer') (file "/usr/lib/python2.4/socket.py", line 325, in readline)
09:06:55 <est_> well, it should throw us into a debugger right here on the channel
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09:08:41 <crschmidt> .rate your mom
09:08:48 <phenny> "your mom": 80.67% (11,100 rocks; 1,740,000 rules; 22,600 sucks; 397,000 blows)
09:14:21 <thelsdj> .rate cheese
09:14:28 <phenny> "cheese": 2.12% (13,900 rocks; 12,600 rules; 4,770 sucks; 1,220,000 blows)
09:14:48 <thelsdj> that is so wrong
09:14:53 <thelsdj> cheese definately rocks
09:15:01 <thelsdj> i can't believe people say cheese blows
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09:15:42 <thelsdj> .rate chuck e cheese
09:15:49 <phenny> "chuck e cheese": 79.31% (15,600 rocks; 45,400 rules; 14,900 sucks; 1,010 blows)
09:17:10 <sbp> Arnia: lots of Googlecounting
09:18:48 <thelsdj> .rate stephen colbert
09:18:55 <phenny> "stephen colbert": 75.63% (4,630 rocks; 27,900 rules; 8,440 sucks; 2,040 blows)
09:19:06 <thelsdj> .rate john stewart
09:19:13 <phenny> "john stewart": 80.75% (36,700 rocks; 141,000 rules; 33,300 sucks; 9,070 blows)
09:19:29 <thelsdj> .rate george w bush
09:19:37 <phenny> "george w bush": 91.13% (163,000 rocks; 479,000 rules; 13,100 sucks; 49,400 blows)
09:20:02 <thelsdj> hehe could be using 'rules' in the literal sense of turning the country into a monarchy
09:26:20 <Jibbler> crschmidt: pong
09:27:08 <sbp> whoo, managed to install PIL with some gross hacking
09:27:28 <sbp> .rate The Queen
09:27:35 <phenny> "The Queen": 40.36% (1,040,000 rocks; 650 rules; 879,000 sucks; 659,000 blows)
09:27:48 <sbp> ?
09:27:52 <sbp> .gc "The Queen rules"
09:27:54 <phenny> "The Queen rules": 650
09:28:09 <sbp> ...
09:28:21 <sbp> how strange
09:30:20 <crschmidt> Jibbler: You've done some wedding photography, right?
09:31:51 <Jibbler> yarr
09:32:01 <Jibbler> in the uk
09:32:39 <crschmidt> Do you usually maintain copyright on the originals/negatives and so on? How much extra would someone need to pay in order to hold copyright of the originals themselves?
09:33:28 <Jibbler> as most of the weddings i've done have been for "mates rates" i can only say what is typical of other photographers:
09:33:40 <Jibbler> copyright stays with the photographer
09:34:12 <Jibbler> and it's probably ~1300gbp extra to have the digital files + copyright transfer
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09:34:43 <crschmidt> 1300gbp over what?
09:34:50 * crschmidt has no idea what wedding photography normally costs
09:34:53 <Jibbler> typically ~ 1.5k
09:34:56 * crschmidt nods
09:35:29 <Jibbler> although i have been at weddings where that has been charged and the results disappointed me quite frankly
09:37:49 <crschmidt> Yeah
09:38:24 <crschmidt> I hadn't realized that photographers would ever be willing to do that, but it makes a certain amount of sense that someone would want to take the burden of paying for more proofs off the wedding guests, and onto themselves
09:38:57 <crschmidt> And compensating the photographer for whatever money is lost because of that
09:39:59 <Jibbler> this summer i'll be doing more weddings for "proper" money :)
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10:09:40 <sbp> oh damn
10:09:49 <sbp> for some reason, cygwin is very hosed now
10:10:06 <sbp> emacs crashes whenever I try to call any feature, for example
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13:22:44 <kpreid> .pc :=
13:22:47 <phenny> 003A: COLON (:)
13:22:50 <phenny> 003D: EQUALS SIGN (=)
13:23:02 <clsn> .pc colon
13:23:04 <phenny> 0063: LATIN SMALL LETTER C (c)
13:23:08 <phenny> 006F: LATIN SMALL LETTER O (o)
13:23:08 <clsn> Oops.
13:23:11 <phenny> 006C: LATIN SMALL LETTER L (l)
13:23:17 <clsn> I was hoping it could grep for the word too.
13:23:25 <jsled> .cp colon
13:23:28 <phenny> 003A: COLON (:)
13:23:31 <phenny> 003B: SEMICOLON (;)
13:23:34 <phenny> 02D0: MODIFIER LETTER TRIANGULAR COLON (ː) [...]
13:23:44 <clsn> ohyeah.
13:23:53 <clsn> 2254 is colon-equals.
13:24:06 <jsled> .cp colon.*equal
13:24:08 <phenny> 2254: COLON EQUALS (≔)
13:24:10 <phenny> 2255: EQUALS COLON (≕)
13:24:11 <phenny> 2A74: DOUBLE COLON EQUAL (⩴) [...]
13:24:24 <clsn> regexps are your friend.
13:24:28 <kpreid> in this case I'm trying to debug a lexer which uses ":=", not "≔"
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13:24:54 <Monty> welcome, Jabberwock
13:25:15 <Jabberwock> Thanks, Monty
13:25:16 <Monty> Saddam breaks skateboard?
13:25:21 <Jabberwock> every day.
13:25:38 <Jabberwock> shouldn't the last 2 be in a hash?
13:25:41 <Jabberwock> er
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14:44:12 <Morbus> phenny, tell aeonite that I know what you *mean*, and this just may be PDQ's wording, but "Can take 6 ranks of Strengths" sounds like 6 individual skills, not a total of +6 (which are the total of the Rank Modifiers, not the total of the Ranks themselves).
14:44:14 <phenny> Morbus: I'll pass that on when aeonite is around.
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15:58:40 * redmonk peers at his copy of the Eclipse IDE, preparing to launch his Filemaker Pro code workspace. Sweat beads his forehead. He stalls, rubbing his brow and sipping coffee. He glances around for the notes on what needs to be completed on this project, wipes his forehead for the 3rd or 4th time, and mouses over the Eclipse icon.
15:58:45 * redmonk clicks
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16:07:17 <Monty> bah, it's jewel again
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16:09:37 <thelsdj> [\] led 212.150.*.* to http://thelsdj.org/phpspam.txt
16:09:39 <thelsdj> ooook
16:12:00 <crschmidt> you can oftentimes check the referrer logs and see more details
16:12:18 <crschmidt> sometimes they come in from a search engine which does strange things with disambiguation and stuff
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16:16:16 <kpreid> .ety frivolity
16:16:18 <phenny> Can't find the etymology for "frivolity". Try http://etymonline.com/?search=frivolity
16:16:44 <kpreid> .ety frivol
16:16:46 <phenny> Can't find the etymology for "frivol". Try http://etymonline.com/?search=frivol
16:16:57 <redmonk> ,ety frivolous
16:17:07 <redmonk> .ety frivolous
16:17:10 <phenny> "1549, from L. frivolus 'silly, empty, trifling, brittle,' dim. of *frivos 'broken, crumbled,' from friare 'break, rub away, crumble.'" - http://etymonline.com/?term=frivolous
16:20:22 <clsn> .ety copacetic
16:20:24 <phenny> "1919, but it may have origins in 19c." - http://etymonline.com/?term=copacetic
16:20:38 <clsn> Not much of an answer.
16:21:11 <kpreid> .etymology copacetic
16:21:14 <phenny> "1919, but it may have origins in 19c." - http://etymonline.com/?term=copacetic
16:21:17 <kpreid> hm
16:21:29 <nsh> .w copacetic
16:21:32 <phenny> copacetic 1. completely satisfactory
16:21:33 <kpreid> phenny: tell sbp that ".ety copacetic" has a bad sentence guess
16:21:35 <phenny> kpreid: I'll pass that on when sbp is around.
16:21:44 <nsh> hrmm
16:24:30 <bancus> .ety exuberance
16:24:32 <phenny> Can't find the etymology for "exuberance". Try http://etymonline.com/?search=exuberance
16:24:40 <bancus> probably mispelt
16:24:57 <bancus> @spell exuberance
16:25:00 <supybot> bancus: No spelling suggestion made. This could mean that the word you gave is spelled right; it could also mean that its spelling was too whacked out even for 02G04o08o02g03l04e to figure out.
16:25:14 <bancus> or not
16:25:15 <bancus> hm
16:25:26 <bancus> .ety uberance
16:25:28 <phenny> Can't find the etymology for "uberance". Try http://etymonline.com/?search=uberance
16:25:37 <bancus> .ety insubstantial
16:25:39 <phenny> Can't find the etymology for "insubstantial". Try http://etymonline.com/?search=insubstantial
16:25:43 <bancus> .ety substantial
16:25:45 <phenny> "1340, 'ample, sizeable,' from O.Fr. substantiel (13c.), from L. substantialis 'having substance or reality, material,' from substantia (see substance)." - http://etymonline.com/?term=substantial
16:26:37 <clsn> .w Sybilline
16:26:40 <phenny> I couldn't find 'Sybilline' in WordNet.
16:26:54 <nsh> @google Sybilline
16:26:54 <bancus> .ety logic
16:26:57 <supybot> nsh: Search took 0.47 seconds: The Sibylline Oracles Index: <http://www.sacred-texts.com/cla/sib/index.htm>; Sybilline Oracles: <http://www.ewtn.com/library/HOMELIBR/CESYBIL.HTM>; The Sybilline Books: <http://thesybillinebooks.blogspot.com/>
16:26:59 <phenny> "1362, 'branch of philosophy that treats of forms of thinking,' from O.Fr. logique, from L. (ars) logica, from Gk. logike (techne) 'reasoning (art),' from fem. of logikos 'pertaining to speaking or reasoning,' from logos 'reason, idea, word' (see logos)." - http://etymonline.com/?term=logic
16:27:04 <nsh> .wik Sybilline Oracles
16:27:08 <phenny> "The Cumaean Sibyl was the priestess presiding over the Apollonian oracle at Cumae, a Greek colony located near Naples, Italy." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cumaean_Sibyl
16:27:16 <nsh> ah
16:29:01 <clsn> I found the expression "Sybilline [sic] argument" in an article and was trying to work out what it referred to, apart from the Sybils.
16:29:12 <nsh> interesting
16:29:19 <clsn> Near as I can tell, it seems to be some sort of poorly translated Italian idiom.
16:29:59 <nsh> yeah
16:30:01 <nsh> that's my guess
16:30:20 <nsh> both (different spellings) references are italian in origin
16:31:01 <nsh> perhaps an argument from authority?
16:31:13 <nsh> or self-fulfilling truth
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16:31:14 <Monty> hey oxblood
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16:31:56 <nsh> "Sibylline means prophetic or of the oracle, the Word."
16:32:01 <nsh> - http://www.geocities.com/Athens/5519/college.htm
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16:40:46 <Monty> hi schepers
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16:45:44 <Monty> lo DrBacchus
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17:16:48 <DrBacchus> Hi, Monty
17:16:49 <Monty> parrot
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17:17:00 <DrBacchus> Monty: It's great to see you again.
17:17:07 <Monty> make a girl: 107000, It's a pretty freaky. I echo -g | grep for fear of Christian belief,' from 1402. In graph theory, a car park ]
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17:20:15 <nsh> rofl
17:20:56 <Ash> ROFLROLFORLFORLFOLROFLROFL
17:21:18 <crschmidt> hm, ash signing on from tor?
17:21:23 <crschmidt> I think he's an impersonator
17:21:42 <Ash> crschmidt: it is part of my campaign to irc less
17:22:03 <crschmidt> why does tor make you irc less?
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17:22:47 <Ash> without it running always I'm less tempted to just hop on all the time
17:23:20 <Ash> I'm using tor because I don't want to set up dircproxy on my colo box, but I also don't want to expose what network I'm actually coming from
17:23:24 <Ash> :D
17:23:52 * crschmidt nods
17:24:06 * GraveDigger nods too
17:24:37 <Ash> HEADBANGERS BALL
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17:30:37 <Morbus> aeonite: say something.
17:31:04 <aeonite> I want to die
17:31:06 <phenny> aeonite: 14:33Z <Morbus> tell aeonite that I know what you *mean*, and this just may be PDQ's wording, but "Can take 6 ranks of Strengths" sounds like 6 individual skills, not a total of +6 (which are the total of the Rank Modifiers, not the total of the Ranks themselves).
17:32:02 <Morbus> that wasnt' cheerful! <G>
17:32:07 <aeonite> Yes, PDQ's wording. Something I wasn't at liberty to change.
17:32:14 <Morbus> ok.
17:33:00 <aeonite> I'm not really cheerful today, alas. Life keeps kicking away and if I smile I'll lose some teeth.
17:33:11 <Morbus> :(
17:33:23 <Morbus> i had a premature/pre-term labor scare this morning.
17:33:55 <aeonite> How premature is it?
17:34:42 <clsn> My wife got put on bed-rest toward the end of her first pregnancy due to pre-term contractions. But all went well.
17:34:58 <Morbus> aeonite: not much at all.
17:35:02 <Morbus> we're 4 weeks out.
17:35:16 <clsn> That doesn't even count as premature anymore. :)
17:40:21 <Morbus> yeah, well, STILL! <g>
17:40:45 <clsn> It's not like non-premature, full-term labor is so non-stressful.
17:41:02 * redmonk was 6 weeks premature, and i turned out ok. well, by some accounts
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17:43:45 <Monty> Thank goodness, mumbels is back!
17:43:47 <phenny> Be quiet, Monty.
17:43:55 <Monty> It better luck with bigjibby and falling off him up the number like freshly poured cement, like avoiding the backslash-escaped characters listed in minutes
17:44:11 <nsh> .w ancillary
17:44:15 <phenny> ancillary 1. relating to something that is added but is not essential
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17:44:54 <Monty> Thank goodness, danja_ is back!
17:44:56 <phenny> Be quiet, Monty.
17:44:56 <Monty> Does talking about this bother you ?
17:47:43 <mumbels> i wonder what happerns then
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18:11:16 <redmonk> help! i need a regext that finds any non-ascii character
18:12:07 <clsn> [^!-~] ? That's most of it, the printables anyway.
18:12:19 <bjoern_> [^\x00-\x7f]
18:12:20 <kpreid> [^\000-\177] for non-printables too
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18:12:40 <kpreid> (I believe that octal escape support is slightly more widespread than hex)
18:13:31 <bjoern_> just like insanity is slightly more widespread than sanity...
18:14:02 <clsn> Wasn't sure if you wanted the nonprintables. Whatever, yeah, numerical escapes are good.
18:16:02 <bjoern_> "The Microsoft Office formats are open in the sense that every Microsoft Office competitor from StarOffice to OpenOffice.org to Word Perfect to ThinkFree Office has reverse engineered the Microsoft Office format and uses it freely yet theyve never been sued by Microsoft for doing so."
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18:17:24 <thelsdj> nice, mono's asp.net can handle a simple request in about 7ms
18:18:20 <thelsdj> create an object, serialize it, and send it (less than 1k of data) and then my client deserializes it, all in 7ms
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18:18:22 <Monty> yo danja!
18:18:37 <redmonk> bjoern_: [^\x00-\x7f] worked. thanks
18:18:41 <nsh> nice thelsdj
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18:31:09 <thelsdj> hrm anyone know how to set bash to display tab complete items on single tab rather than double?
18:37:37 <jsled> thelsdj: you can use M-? instead
18:38:50 <jsled> Or not.
18:39:09 <jsled> No, wait, that does seem to work.
18:39:41 <crschmidt> yeah, but that's a very different muscle memory than tabbing
18:39:51 <jsled> indeed. But <TAB><TAB> is fast enough for me.
18:41:25 <thelsdj> my friend is using konsole rather than gnome-terminal in gnome just because he wants single tab heh
18:45:03 <thelsdj> and M-? doesn't complete
18:45:09 <thelsdj> just shows the options, even if only 1
18:45:19 <jsled> Oh. Then C-x !
18:45:47 <thelsdj> that doesn't seem to work for me
18:45:52 <jsled> Er. M-*
18:46:24 <jsled> Sorry. You should just look at the man page, rather than me mis-remembering what's in it. :)
18:46:54 <aeonite> man page is sexist. why isn't it called the person page?
18:46:56 <thelsdj> but that doesn't show options
18:46:57 <crschmidt> M-* does some funky shit, but not what i would expect when there's multiple options -- they just all go onto the man page :)
18:47:28 <crschmidt> thelsdj: single-tab for me *does* tab complete if there's only one option...
18:47:44 <crschmidt> basen<tab> creates basename...
18:47:45 <thelsdj> crschmidt: me too, but i want single tab to also show options if multiple
18:47:48 <crschmidt> ah
18:47:59 <thelsdj> konsole does this
18:48:12 <thelsdj> no clue how hehe
18:49:23 * thelsdj watches latest ep of Mayo
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19:04:29 <thelsdj> put set show-all-if-ambiguous on
19:04:33 <thelsdj> in ~/.inputrc
19:04:38 <thelsdj> makes single tab work
19:04:58 <Ash> binput
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20:22:30 <bjoern_> .gc Spargelcremesuppe
20:22:33 <phenny> Spargelcremesuppe: 57,400
20:22:43 <bjoern_> Monty, countdown
20:22:43 <Monty> One large one and five small numbers: 100, 3, 9, 10, 10, 10. Your target is 232. You have thirty seconds, tick, tock, tick, tock...
20:22:59 <bjoern_> no clue
20:23:13 <Monty> Duh dum, duh dum, duh-da-da-dum! Your 30 seconds are up!
20:23:15 <Monty> Oh bugger, I don't think I can solve that one!
20:23:23 <bjoern_> Monty, countdown
20:23:23 <Monty> One large one and five small numbers: 100, 10, 10, 4, 3, 4. Your target is 813. You have thirty seconds, tick, tock, tick, tock...
20:23:38 <bjoern_> Monty, calc (4+4)*100 + 10 + 3
20:23:38 <Monty> bjoern_: 813
20:23:53 <Monty> Duh dum, duh dum, duh-da-da-dum! Your 30 seconds are up!
20:23:55 <Monty> I found a solution in approximately 14 milliseconds. I found all 24 solutions in about 203 milliseconds.
20:23:56 <Monty> ibot (4 + 4)*100 + 10 + 3
20:24:11 <bjoern_> Monty, countdown
20:24:11 <Monty> One large one and five small numbers: 100, 4, 1, 2, 7, 8. Your target is 174. You have thirty seconds, tick, tock, tick, tock...
20:24:39 <bjoern_> Monty, calc 2*(100-8)
20:24:40 <Monty> bjoern_: 184
20:24:42 <Monty> Duh dum, duh dum, duh-da-da-dum! Your 30 seconds are up!
20:24:44 <Monty> I found a solution in approximately 4 milliseconds. I found all 236 solutions in about 212 milliseconds.
20:24:45 <Monty> ibot ((4 + 7)*8 - 1)*2
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20:38:25 <bjoern_> Monty, countdown
20:38:26 <Monty> One large one and five small numbers: 25, 2, 1, 9, 3, 1. Your target is 429. You have thirty seconds, tick, tock, tick, tock...
20:38:46 <bjoern_> Monty, calc 2*9*25
20:38:46 <Monty> bjoern_: 450
20:38:50 <sbp> boing
20:38:52 <phenny> sbp: 16:10Z <kpreid> tell sbp that ".ety copacetic" has a bad sentence guess
20:38:55 <bjoern_> Monty, calc 2*9*(25 - 3)
20:38:55 <Monty> bjoern_: 396
20:38:56 <Monty> Duh dum, duh dum, duh-da-da-dum! Your 30 seconds are up!
20:38:58 <Monty> I found a solution in approximately 22 milliseconds. I found all 62 solutions in about 225 milliseconds.
20:38:59 <Monty> ibot (25 - 1)*2*9 - 3
20:39:03 <crschmidt> .ety copacetic
20:39:06 <bjoern_> that was too hard Monty...
20:39:07 <phenny> "1919, but it may have origins in 19c." - http://etymonline.com/?term=copacetic
20:39:12 <Monty> clsn: so what's -e enable interpretation of ending up to store my latin education was bundled with those who work hard it specifically
20:39:14 <bjoern_> sbp, DA BOING !
20:39:22 <sbp> Björn!
20:39:23 <crschmidt> da boingyity-bomb
20:39:29 <sbp> crschmidt!
20:40:11 * sbp is being RFC 4329 compliant today!
20:40:18 <sbp> :-)
20:40:27 <sbp> congrats and such, Björn
20:40:38 <bancus> .tavtime
20:40:40 <phenny> 2615.17.10.9.41
20:40:52 <sbp> ooh, yi soon
20:40:58 <aeonite> I need to get out of industries that concern themselves with RFCs
20:41:17 <aeonite> I'm a square peg in a round hole
20:41:26 <bjoern_> it is I, LATIN CAPITAL LETTER B LATIN SMALL LETTER J LATIN CAPITAL LETTER A WITH TILDE PILCROW SIGN LATIN SMALL LETTER R LATIN SMALL LETTER N!
20:41:29 <bjoern_> thanks sbp
20:41:53 <sbp> heh, yeah, that's what I see too
20:41:54 <clsn> Eep. Looks like something didn't handle UTF8 encoding right.
20:42:05 <sbp> utf-8 as cp1252
20:42:44 <sbp> Björn works for me, and should work in the logs too
20:42:50 * sbp checks
20:42:55 <thelsdj> so this first studiocyphers puzzle is interesting
20:43:02 <sbp> yep
20:43:06 <bjoern_> ISO-8859-SWHACK
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20:45:15 <sbp> you should've put that in as an adjunct
20:45:29 <sbp> not to mention Appendix B: Empty Document Semantics
20:45:47 <clsn> Most documents are pretty empty of semantics.
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20:46:03 <bjoern_> we could make an encoding that maps any char seq to an empty document and claim the encoding is bijective.
20:46:25 <thelsdj> http://thelsdj.org/cyphers.txt (the first puzzle to solve for studio cyphers)
20:46:39 <bjoern_> and call it SwhackUTF-Paradox
20:47:38 <sbp> now that's a damn good idea
20:47:55 <clsn> Of course, by that reasoning, the proposal has already been sent in.
20:48:03 <sbp> function encode(input) { return ""; }
20:48:27 <bjoern_> sub encode { "" }
20:48:29 <sbp> or function encode(input) { return input.strip(unicode-characters); }
20:48:33 <sbp> heh
20:48:40 <sbp> just have it be a perl6 primitive
20:48:50 <bjoern_> say;
20:48:59 <sbp> oh yeah, it is
20:49:12 <sbp> we have support already!
20:49:52 <clsn> Mm, yes, we have support. I like the way the code lifts and separates...
20:50:52 <jsled> twitter, twe, twitter.
20:51:03 <jsled> twe? TWE!!!!
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20:55:53 <sbp> HA
20:55:54 <sbp> http://apple.slashdot.org/apple/06/05/01/1110226.shtml
20:56:00 <sbp> I already knew about that through WIKIPEDIA
20:56:04 <sbp> way to be slow, Slashdot
20:56:22 <sbp> I looked it up in a fucking encyclopaedia before it appeared on Slashdot
20:56:28 <sbp> welcome to the 21st Century
20:58:27 <sbp> yay, Colbert made Slashdot: http://politics.slashdot.org/politics/06/04/30/1918204.shtml
20:58:37 <sbp> I was going to submit a story, but I thought they'd never run it
21:01:12 <Morbus> have you seen it? its hilarious.
21:01:40 <sbp> yep! I watched it *and* read the transcript
21:01:50 <aeonite> It kept me from cutting myself yesterday
21:01:53 <sbp> was raving about it all day yesterday. commented on thankyoustephencolbert.com too
21:01:59 <sbp> Morbus: also, check out http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-2158015,00.html
21:02:02 <Morbus> sbp: heh, aweosme.
21:02:02 <sbp> if not already
21:02:09 <Morbus> yeah.
21:02:11 <clsn> I guess I'll have to watch it eventually...
21:02:19 <thelsdj> ha nice, 11k comments
21:02:25 <Morbus> sbp i suspect she's coming early, however.
21:02:43 <sbp> thelsdj: hehe, yeah, just went and looked too
21:02:50 <sbp> Morbus: oh yeah, I saw the scare in the logs
21:02:52 <aeonite> my book comes out on June 6, 2006 too
21:02:59 <Morbus> which one?
21:03:10 <aeonite> the Ninja Burger Employee Handbook
21:03:16 <Morbus> excellent ;)
21:03:32 <clsn> 06/06/06. Most auspicious.
21:04:04 <aeonite> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/080652796X/
21:05:08 <aeonite> The whole process has mostly been depressing, truth be told.
21:05:19 <Morbus> how so?
21:05:45 <aeonite> My book is part of a series that's somewhat officially titled Rebel Base Books, which are books based on popular websites, essentially.
21:05:58 <aeonite> Others in the series include Tucker Max's book, Maddox's new book, and the Real Ultimate Power book
21:06:03 <aeonite> I'm the smallest fish in that pond
21:06:12 <aeonite> And it's wearing on me
21:06:37 <Morbus> ah
21:06:49 <aeonite> The comparisons are inevitable, and when you compare side by side I'm David to Goliath
21:06:52 <aeonite> And I'm all out of stones
21:07:30 <aeonite> Maddox has a press handler. He hit #1 on Amazon briefly. His book comes out the same day as me.
21:07:43 <aeonite> I'm going it alone, and I'll be lucky to get 1/100th the sales he gets.
21:07:54 <Morbus> so, you're doing this only for sales?
21:07:59 <sbp> Maddox has a press handler? was a sell-out
21:08:05 <sbp> s/was/what/
21:08:08 <aeonite> Of course not, but I'm a capitalist. I'd like to sell some books.
21:08:28 <Morbus> fair enough. just hard for me to relate.
21:08:42 <aeonite> It's more about exposure than sales, truth be told.
21:08:57 <aeonite> Every time there's an article on Fark that mentions the word ninja, I dread reading the thread
21:09:07 <aeonite> Because there are always 20 Real Ultimate Power references
21:09:17 <Morbus> well, for what it's worth, I've never heard of RUP.
21:09:20 <aeonite> And not a single Ninja Burger reference
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21:09:21 <Morbus> :)
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21:09:52 <aeonite> It's hard being an also-ran, is all I'm saying.
21:10:35 <Morbus> if you know you're an also-ran, why are you letting it upset you?
21:10:53 <aeonite> Dysthymia
21:10:57 <Morbus> I'm probably not going to be a good consoler.
21:11:03 <Morbus> .wn dysthymia
21:11:05 <phenny> dysthymia 1. mild chronic depression
21:12:40 <aeonite> I'm proud of my work and it bothers me that Real Ultimate Power, which I find neither funny nor worth anyone's time, is by far the more popular website and book.
21:13:16 <sbp> nobody knew about Emily Dickinson until after she'd died; she didn't even publish
21:13:43 <sbp> Van Gogh wasn't popular in his own lifetime, and Shakespeare was generally behind Jonson and others of the time until the romantics came along
21:14:05 <sbp> there are plenty of awesome people like Macke who still haven't really been discovered
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21:14:13 <Morbus> and yoiu should see the sort of crap sbp puts out and is proud about.
21:14:14 <aeonite> I realize some percentage of my attitude is irrational. It still sticks in my craw.
21:14:15 <sbp> yo jcowan
21:14:20 <sbp> heh, heh
21:14:22 <Morbus> looks like a retarded monkey making peanut butter
21:14:32 <sbp> YOU LIEK IT LUMPY
21:14:39 <jcowan> Ittywhonk, all.
21:14:49 <Morbus> eh oh, cowan.
21:15:07 <sbp> somebody did a Real Ultimate Power parody of AaronSw on here once
21:15:17 <sbp> still yet to find out who it was, but they covered their tracks very well
21:15:25 <sbp> so it must've been someone like jcowan, Morbus, xover, crschmidt, etc.
21:15:26 <aeonite> What I need to do is acknowledge that I do not have mass market appeal and stop trying for it.
21:15:29 <jcowan> My ticker sign program and simulator are sorta working.
21:15:29 <sbp> something very competent
21:15:36 <sbp> s/something/someone/
21:15:38 <aeonite> It's a tempting apple to reach for, though.
21:15:40 * jcowan denies it.
21:15:41 <sbp> jcowan: ah, great!
21:15:41 <Ash> sbp: it was me
21:15:41 <Morbus> aeonite: Well, perhaps this particular idea.
21:15:51 <sbp> Ash: it was you? really? bwahahaha
21:15:58 <sbp> even if you're kidding, that would fit pretty well
21:16:01 <Ash> sbp: i don't remember. hehe
21:16:01 <Morbus> But, I'm not sure I agree with that.
21:16:05 <Ash> is there a link?
21:16:09 <sbp> lemme see
21:16:21 <aeonite> Oh, indeed. This just happens to be the first baby that broke big so I'm feeding it a lot.
21:16:24 <sbp> yeah, here: http://swhack.com/logs/2005-02-06#T05-54-21
21:16:32 <sbp> -> http://free.hostdepartment.com/u/ultimateaaronsw/
21:16:48 <Ash> Oh, not me
21:17:01 <sbp> darn
21:17:21 <sbp> it was very well covered, whoever did it
21:17:26 <sbp> I went to Extreme Lengths to find out
21:17:42 <Morbus> you know, if I did hear about RUP, I'm glad I forgot about it.
21:17:48 <Morbus> I don't find it too funny either.
21:18:10 <Ash> I wouldn't waste that much time on a parody sbp
21:18:11 <Ash> but
21:18:12 <sbp> sure, it's just a meme
21:18:13 <Ash> that's pretty good
21:18:16 <sbp> Ash: yeah
21:18:17 <aeonite> RUP apparently appeals to the unwashed masses. Ninja Burger caught on with the technorati and the gamer community.
21:18:24 <sbp> Aaron thought it was hilarious too
21:19:24 <aeonite> problem being, my fans are a subset of the larger group. gamers, in particular, tend to be unwashed. :)
21:19:33 <sbp> ew
21:19:38 * sbp hoses them down
21:19:44 <aeonite> "problem" being the wrong word, of course. just the first one I grabbed.
21:20:24 <aeonite> but enough about me. :P
21:20:41 <Morbus> oh, i wanted to run my qualities past you.
21:20:50 <aeonite> but of course
21:21:17 <Morbus> +2 Misintepreting Orders, +2 Causing A Distraction (wooing, etc.), +2 Customer Service (wooing, etc.), -2 Happy Ending (starts out good, but always screws up something at the last moment)
21:21:51 <Morbus> I'm a litty iffy on the +2 MO.
21:22:03 <Morbus> It's not really a Strength on the face of it, but could be if played well.
21:22:17 <sbp> damn, I've yet to read the PDF even
21:22:21 <aeonite> I agree.
21:22:26 <sbp> having computer problems, sorting those out at the mo'
21:22:28 <redmonk> Morbus: misintepretation should only have good results for chaotic characters :-)
21:22:33 <jcowan> This "Aaron Swartz is a mammal" canard makes me deeply suspicious.
21:22:43 <aeonite> It seems it might work better as something like Creative Interpretation of Orders
21:22:52 <Morbus> ooh, yah, that's a good spin on it.
21:22:55 * Morbus revises.
21:22:55 <sbp> jcowan: it's a canard?
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21:23:10 <aeonite> such that if given an order or rule to follow and you found a way to technically achieve the desired goal in a contrary or tangential way it would give the +2
21:23:14 <jcowan> I'm not saying he's a reptile, mind.
21:23:18 <redmonk> IT'S A DUCK!
21:23:37 <Morbus> aeonite: hrm...
21:23:44 <aeonite> Customer needs to lose 10 pounds. Cut off his head. +2
21:23:44 <jcowan> "No, Madam, I am not a botanist, and should I wish to become a botanist, I should first have to become a reptile." --Sam: Johnson, alluding to his nearsightedness
21:23:49 <sbp> I thought a canard was a duck
21:23:50 <Morbus> in which case, now that it's Written Down, the -2 Happy Ending seems contrary to that.
21:24:09 <Morbus> Because that customer losing his head is also Not A Happy Ending.
21:24:42 <Morbus> I just wanted to get a massage's happy ending in there somewhere.
21:24:42 <Morbus> <g>
21:25:03 <aeonite> I would suggest revising Happy Ending then, which might be too broad. Or turn Happy Ending into a strength and the other one into a weakness.
21:25:21 <Morbus> well, I was leery of Happy Ending being a strength, due to abuse.
21:25:32 <Morbus> "You get shot.", "I ROLL AGAINST HAPPY ENDING TO CHANGE MY FATE!"
21:25:47 <aeonite> e.g. Happy Ending - when things go bad in successive rounds you turn the failure into a strength. that would mean the failure would be out of your direct control and based on dice rolls.
21:26:03 <aeonite> so it's a happy ending after all
21:26:10 <aeonite> is one path I could see
21:26:12 <Morbus> yeah, but that still seems contrary to the MO.
21:26:21 <aeonite> yes.
21:26:25 <Morbus> If I cut off his head, that's a bad thing. Do I know cancel that out by finding out he was a Zombie?
21:26:29 <Morbus> *now
21:27:15 <sbp> jcowan: I don't suspect the person will ever own up, if only because they went to so much damn (and rather unneccesary) trouble to cover their tracks. so it bugs me
21:28:27 <Morbus> hrm. what if I was celibate.
21:28:31 <Morbus> or never touched another human.
21:28:33 <sbp> ...
21:28:35 <Morbus> that'd impact my wooing.
21:28:40 <sbp> more than a bit
21:28:48 <Morbus> heh.
21:28:51 <aeonite> One other thing to watch for is qualities that do similar things. There's a subrule in the rules to restrict the number of upshifts you can stack
21:28:53 <Morbus> well, it's called a weakness for a reason ;)
21:28:56 <sbp> it's not to be imagined
21:29:12 * Morbus hasn't gotten to the upshift part.
21:29:21 <aeonite> is there a phobia for not wanting to be touched?
21:29:27 <Morbus> probably.
21:29:31 <Morbus> what about -2 Acting?
21:29:38 <Morbus> my character story is that i was a japanese soap opera star.
21:29:44 <sbp> haihapophobia or something
21:29:47 <Morbus> I was really purdy, but got fired for horrible acting
21:29:47 <sbp> something haptic
21:29:53 <sbp> .g fear of being touched
21:29:56 <phenny> sbp: http://www.phobialist.com/
21:29:57 <Morbus> and thus moved to america, CA specifically, to try to get work in hollywood.
21:30:00 <aeonite> that could work
21:30:08 <sbp> Aphenphosmphobia- Fear of being touched. (Haphephobia)
21:31:08 <sbp> I want to read that as hap-hep-hoe-bia
21:31:21 <sbp> it's like tictactoebia. fear of noughts and crosses
21:32:48 <aeonite> upshifts are when you do something extra special, stack skills, use honor, etc. to improve your roll. this can cause problems if not played carefully.
21:32:50 <aeonite> for example,
21:33:09 <sbp> jcowan: did you see my cygwin woes? I'm having to reinstall
21:33:18 <sbp> things went really bad whilst I was trying to install pugs/pil
21:33:26 <sbp> and now emacs freezes and other weirdnesses
21:33:28 <jcowan> sbp: nope.
21:33:31 <aeonite> someone posted on my forum about a player in his campaign who is a ninja driver(+2) with multi-tasking(+2) and karaoke(+2)
21:33:37 <sbp> kinda scary really
21:33:47 <aeonite> so every time the character got in his delivery van, he stated that he was playing with the radio and singing
21:33:54 <sbp> first time I've had to install cygwin in aaaaaaaaages
21:33:57 <jcowan> .oed canard
21:33:59 <sbp> since I got this computer, probably
21:34:32 <aeonite> playing rigidly by the rules, he was min-maxing to get a +4 bonus on every drive roll
21:34:33 <jcowan> Well, got some kind of answer, though not OED.
21:34:34 <jcowan> [[[
21:34:35 <jcowan> canard Look up canard at Dictionary.com
21:34:35 <jcowan> before 1850, from Fr. "a hoax," lit. "a duck," said by Littré to be from the phrase vendre un canard à moitié "to half-sell a duck," thus, from some long-forgotten joke, "to cheat." From O.Fr. quanart, probably echoic of a duck's quack.
21:34:36 <jcowan> ]]]
21:34:50 <jcowan> Quanart quanart!
21:35:03 <sbp> 1. An extravagant or absurd story circulated to impose on people's credulity; a hoax, a false report.
21:35:08 <sbp> 2. A smaller surface on an aeroplane or hydrofoil providing stability or a means of control and placed forward of the main lifting surface; also (and orig.) an aeroplane with its wings so placed. Also attrib.
21:35:13 <sbp> 3. A bright, deep blue, like the colour which is found on a duck's wing.
21:35:31 <jcowan> Anything under etymology?
21:35:36 <sbp> 'Littré says Canard for a silly story comes from the old expression vendre un canard à moitié (to half-sell a duck), in which à moitié was subsequently suppressed. It is clear that to half-sell a duck is not to sell it at all; hence the sense to take in, make a fool of.'
21:35:43 <sbp> [Fr.; lit. duck; also used in sense 1: see note there.]
21:36:18 <jcowan> Well, at least they agree. It's a good thing JAHM wasn't inclined to hoaxes himself, or we'd never know what we could trust.
21:37:44 * sbp -> http://cygwin.com/faq/faq_2.html#SEC20
21:38:14 <sbp> yeah
21:38:16 <jcowan> Make sure to copy /home somewhere first, though.
21:38:40 <sbp> I, er. my /home is huge
21:38:42 <sbp> can't do that
21:38:52 <sbp> but I do reset $HOME
21:38:58 <sbp> so the cygwin home is basically empty
21:40:09 * sbp uninstalls sshd
21:40:58 * sbp saves his mount information
21:41:08 <sbp> umount -A...
21:42:22 * sbp deletes the whole cygwin tree, having backed it up first
21:42:39 <jcowan> Ah.
21:42:53 <jcowan> I use /home directly, but of course by "copy" I meant "move".
21:43:34 <sbp> aha
21:44:49 <sbp> there. that should be done
21:44:54 <sbp> now to redownload and hope...
21:46:40 * sbp grabs the latest setup.exe and runs...
21:51:47 <jsled> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.int-fiction/browse_thread/thread/f5919cf1b49badac/17791dfefeec46e0#17791dfefeec46e0
21:52:43 * sbp installs $base + curl + emacs + make + nano + openssh + python + rsync + rxvt + wget + zsh
21:53:19 * jcowan always installs it all, unless disk space is *very* tight.
21:55:11 <sbp> all? all of cygwin in its entirety?
21:55:35 * jcowan nods sagely.
21:55:39 <sbp> wow
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21:56:14 <thelsdj> jeez
21:56:21 <thelsdj> i don't think i've ever installed all of cygwin
22:00:58 <jcowan> sbp, did you remove your package directory also?
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22:01:18 <thelsdj> aww, i can't get any faster from mono's asp.net by multithreading my client, takes 7.5s to do 1000 requests on 1 thread, but 2 threads for total of 2000 requests takes 15 seconds
22:01:57 <thelsdj> classic: http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y248/Nightquest/gothducks2yh.jpg
22:03:31 <sbp> jcowan: moved it
22:03:41 * jcowan nods.
22:03:41 <sbp> just installed all that to the wrong place by accident
22:03:44 <sbp> *smack*
22:03:46 <sbp> starting over
22:04:10 <Morbus> that's a great picture
22:04:15 * jcowan nods sympathetically.
22:07:11 <thelsdj> hmm i own 22 'games' on steam (22 entries in the 'my games' list)
22:07:11 <sbp> at least I'm not on dialup
22:07:20 <sbp> I remember when I was on dialup that timed out after two hours
22:07:29 <sbp> so downloading large packages was nail-biting
22:07:44 <thelsdj> my last few years of dialup i never got disconnected
22:07:46 * jcowan nods nostalgically.
22:07:47 <thelsdj> i had a dedicated line
22:07:52 <thelsdj> and would stay connected for weeks
22:07:58 <sbp> because cygwin wouldn't resume, even over HTTP. ngraargh!
22:08:02 <sbp> cool
22:08:11 <thelsdj> it wasn't anything special, just regular dialup, regular mode, regular phone line
22:08:41 <thelsdj> ha my refererbot got a hit related to the tv show lost
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22:09:34 <sbp> heh
22:09:53 <thelsdj> totally unrelated to the contents of the page
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22:15:17 <sbp> okay, it seems to be working!
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22:21:19 <sbp> all apart from ssh, but that shouldn't be too much bother
22:21:27 <sbp> it's so much faster now. interesting
22:22:01 <thelsdj> ssh server is always first thing i setup when i do cygwin heh
22:22:14 <sbp> yeah, going to have to do that now
22:22:20 <sbp> since it's Very Important
22:22:58 <sbp> done. that was easy
22:23:05 <sbp> basically because I don't use /home/sbp it was causing problems
22:23:11 <sbp> ssh seems to hardwire it rather than use $HOME
22:23:18 <sbp> so I just linked to my actual .ssh
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22:27:49 <sbp> go go gadget functionality
22:28:15 <bancus> .g "go go gadget dick"
22:28:18 <phenny> bancus: http://www.songmeanings.net/lyric.php?lid=603
22:28:22 <bancus> .g "inspect her gadget"
22:28:25 <phenny> bancus: http://www.inspecthergadget.com/
22:28:36 <bancus> :o
22:28:44 <sbp> hehe
22:28:54 <sbp> major bonus with the speed. reinstallation has made it quite speedy
22:28:56 <bancus> wow, a band that named itself after a trannie porn
22:30:11 <bancus> a chick band no less
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23:09:13 <bancus> .wn corporate
23:09:16 <phenny> corporate 1. of or belonging to a corporation
23:09:19 <phenny> corporate 2. possessing or existing in bodily form
23:09:22 <phenny> corporate 3. done by or characteristic of individuals acting together [...]
23:11:51 <Ash> .wn KABOOM
23:11:54 <phenny> I couldn't find 'KABOOM' in WordNet.
23:11:58 <Ash> .wn kaboom
23:12:01 <phenny> I couldn't find 'kaboom' in WordNet.
23:12:03 <Ash> .wn kAbOoM
23:12:05 <phenny> I couldn't find 'kAbOoM' in WordNet.
23:12:08 <Ash> .wn gOoGlE
23:12:11 <phenny> I couldn't find 'gOoGlE' in WordNet.
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23:43:54 <bjoern_> Monty, countdown
23:43:55 <Monty> One large one and five small numbers: 100, 9, 3, 8, 6, 9. Your target is 139. You have thirty seconds, tick, tock, tick, tock...
23:44:25 <Monty> Duh dum, duh dum, duh-da-da-dum! Your 30 seconds are up!
23:44:26 <Monty> I found a solution in approximately 10 milliseconds. I found all 114 solutions in about 192 milliseconds.
23:44:28 <Monty> ibot 8*6 + 100 - 9
23:44:39 <bjoern_> Monty, countdown
23:44:39 <Monty> One large one and five small numbers: 50, 9, 1, 3, 8, 10. Your target is 666. You have thirty seconds, tick, tock, tick, tock...
23:44:53 <bjoern_> Monty, calc (10+3)*50
23:44:54 <Monty> bjoern_: 650
23:45:03 <bjoern_> Monty, calc (10+3)*50 + 9 + (8-1)
23:45:03 <Monty> bjoern_: 666
23:45:09 <Monty> Duh dum, duh dum, duh-da-da-dum! Your 30 seconds are up!
23:45:10 <Monty> I found a solution in approximately 18 milliseconds. I found all 83 solutions in about 213 milliseconds.
23:45:12 <Monty> ibot (3*8 + 50)*9
23:48:02 <bjoern_> Monty, countdown
23:48:02 <Monty> One large one and five small numbers: 100, 9, 2, 2, 9, 2. Your target is 276. You have thirty seconds, tick, tock, tick, tock...
23:48:31 <bjoern_> Monty, calc (100+2*2*9)*2
23:48:32 <Monty> bjoern_: 272
23:48:33 <Monty> Duh dum, duh dum, duh-da-da-dum! Your 30 seconds are up!
23:48:35 <Monty> I found a solution in approximately 97 milliseconds. I found all 24 solutions in about 219 milliseconds.
23:48:36 <Monty> ibot ((9 + 9)*2 + 100 + 2)*2
23:48:50 <bjoern_> Monty, countdown
23:48:50 <Monty> One large one and five small numbers: 25, 2, 4, 1, 6, 3. Your target is 495. You have thirty seconds, tick, tock, tick, tock...
23:49:20 <Monty> Duh dum, duh dum, duh-da-da-dum! Your 30 seconds are up!
23:49:22 <Monty> I found a solution in approximately 51 milliseconds. I found all 25 solutions in about 228 milliseconds.
23:49:23 <Monty> ibot ((25 + 2)*6 + 4 - 1)*3
23:49:28 <bjoern_> Monty, countdown
23:49:28 <Monty> One large one and five small numbers: 25, 4, 3, 6, 1, 8. Your target is 888. You have thirty seconds, tick, tock, tick, tock...
23:49:58 <Monty> Duh dum, duh dum, duh-da-da-dum! Your 30 seconds are up!
23:50:00 <Monty> I found a solution in approximately 27 milliseconds. I found all 82 solutions in about 207 milliseconds.
23:50:01 <Monty> ibot ((25 + 3)*4 - 1)*8
23:50:04 <sbp> .calc (4 * 25) * (8 + 1) - (6 * 3)
23:50:06 <phenny> ((4 * 25) * (8 + 1)) - (6 * 3) = 882
23:50:23 <bjoern_> these high numbers are fairy fairy hard...
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23:50:26 <bjoern_> Monty, countdown
23:50:26 <Monty> One large one and five small numbers: 100, 8, 7, 3, 5, 1. Your target is 370. You have thirty seconds, tick, tock, tick, tock...
23:50:29 <sbp> yeah
23:50:56 <Monty> Duh dum, duh dum, duh-da-da-dum! Your 30 seconds are up!
23:50:57 <sbp> .calc (7 * 5) * (8 + 3 - 1)
23:50:58 <Monty> I found a solution in approximately 81 milliseconds. I found all 12 solutions in about 199 milliseconds.
23:50:59 <phenny> (7 * 5) * (8 + 3 - 1) = 350
23:51:00 <Monty> ibot (8*7 - 3 + 1)*5 + 100
23:51:02 <sbp> oh, heh
23:51:07 <sbp> I suck
23:51:16 <bjoern_> Monty, countdown
23:51:16 <Monty> One large one and five small numbers: 75, 7, 10, 9, 4, 3. Your target is 745. You have thirty seconds, tick, tock, tick, tock...
23:51:25 <bjoern_> Monty, calc 10*75 - 5
23:51:25 <Monty> bjoern_: 745
23:51:37 <sbp> .calc (75 * 10) - (9 - 4)
23:51:39 <phenny> (75 * 10) - (9 - 4) = 745
23:51:42 <bjoern_> argh, no 5
23:51:46 <Monty> Duh dum, duh dum, duh-da-da-dum! Your 30 seconds are up!
23:51:48 <Monty> I found a solution in approximately 10 milliseconds. I found all 107 solutions in about 183 milliseconds.
23:51:49 <Monty> ibot 75*10 - 9 + 4
23:51:53 <jetscreamer> lies
23:52:14 <bjoern_> Monty, countdown
23:52:14 <Monty> One large one and five small numbers: 50, 4, 3, 2, 10, 3. Your target is 109. You have thirty seconds, tick, tock, tick, tock...
23:52:18 <thelsdj> huh, you don't have to use all #s?
23:52:24 <crschmidt> nope
23:52:30 <thelsdj> ok
23:52:36 <crschmidt> 2*50+10-4+3
23:52:40 <crschmidt> .calc 2*50+10-4+3
23:52:43 <phenny> (2 * 50) + 10 - 4 + 3 = 109
23:52:44 <Monty> Duh dum, duh dum, duh-da-da-dum! Your 30 seconds are up!
23:52:46 <Monty> I found a solution in approximately 3 milliseconds. I found all 240 solutions in about 203 milliseconds.
23:52:47 <Monty> ibot (4*10 - 3)*3 - 2
23:52:55 <bjoern_> Monty, countdown
23:52:55 <Monty> One large one and five small numbers: 75, 2, 3, 1, 2, 6. Your target is 287. You have thirty seconds, tick, tock, tick, tock...
23:52:59 <crschmidt> sure monty, solve it the hard way
23:53:00 <Monty> pedals plays with bedtime stories!
23:53:10 <thelsdj> .calc 75 * (2 + 3)
23:53:13 <phenny> 75 * (2 + 3) = 375
23:53:25 <Monty> Duh dum, duh dum, duh-da-da-dum! Your 30 seconds are up!
23:53:27 <Monty> I found a solution in approximately 20 milliseconds. I found all 42 solutions in about 228 milliseconds.
23:53:27 <bjoern_> Monty, calc (75-2)* (3+1)
23:53:28 <Monty> ibot (75*2 - 6)*2 - 1
23:53:30 <Monty> bjoern_: 292
23:53:34 <H0gan> .calc 1 - 10
23:53:36 <bjoern_> Monty, calc (75-3)* (3+1)
23:53:36 <Monty> bjoern_: 288
23:53:37 <phenny> 1 - 10 = -9
23:53:48 <bjoern_> Monty, countdown
23:53:48 <Monty> One large one and five small numbers: 50, 2, 9, 9, 2, 8. Your target is 241. You have thirty seconds, tick, tock, tick, tock...
23:54:04 <sbp> .calc (((50 + 8) * 2) * 2) + 9
23:54:06 <phenny> (((50 + 8) * 2) * 2) + 9 = 241
23:54:15 <bjoern_> Monty, calc (8/2)*50
23:54:16 <Monty> bjoern_: 200
23:54:18 <Monty> Duh dum, duh dum, duh-da-da-dum! Your 30 seconds are up!
23:54:19 <Monty> I found a solution in approximately 19 milliseconds. I found all 136 solutions in about 202 milliseconds.
23:54:21 <Monty> ibot (50 + 8)*2*2 + 9
23:54:50 <bjoern_> Monty, countdown
23:54:51 <Monty> One large one and five small numbers: 25, 6, 7, 4, 10, 7. Your target is 524. You have thirty seconds, tick, tock, tick, tock...
23:55:03 <jetscreamer> yeah monty cheats and /msg's ibot :o
23:55:05 <Monty> FFF9: INTERLINEAR ANNOTATION ANCHOR (???)
23:55:20 <bjoern_> Monty, calc (10+7+4)*(25)
23:55:20 <Monty> bjoern_: 525
23:55:21 <jetscreamer> it's really an uberclusterbot
23:55:22 <Monty> Duh dum, duh dum, duh-da-da-dum! Your 30 seconds are up!
23:55:23 * sbp cheats and uses http://swhack.com/logs/2005-03-02#T18-13-34
23:55:23 <Monty> I found a solution in approximately 4 milliseconds. I found all 42 solutions in about 186 milliseconds.
23:55:25 <Monty> ibot (7*10 + 4)*7 + 6
23:55:26 <thelsdj> .calc 25 * 10 * (6 -4) +7
23:55:28 <phenny> (25 * 10 * (6 - 4)) + 7 = 507
23:55:48 <bjoern_> Monty, calc (10+7+4)*(25) - (7-6)
23:55:49 <Monty> bjoern_: 524
23:56:01 <bjoern_> Monty, countdown
23:56:01 <Monty> One large one and five small numbers: 100, 6, 3, 3, 3, 5. Your target is 963. You have thirty seconds, tick, tock, tick, tock...
23:56:19 <bjoern_> Monty, calc (100+6)*9
23:56:19 <Monty> bjoern_: 954
23:56:25 <bjoern_> Monty, calc (100+6)*9 + 3*3
23:56:25 <Monty> bjoern_: 963
23:56:31 <Monty> Duh dum, duh dum, duh-da-da-dum! Your 30 seconds are up!
23:56:32 <thelsdj> .calc (100 + 6) * (3 * 3) + 5 *3
23:56:32 <bjoern_> no 9
23:56:32 <Monty> I found a solution in approximately 20 milliseconds. I found all 36 solutions in about 212 milliseconds.
23:56:34 <phenny> ((100 + 6) * (3 * 3)) + (5 * 3) = 969
23:56:34 <Monty> ibot ((100 + 5)*3 + 6)*3
23:56:51 <bjoern_> Monty, countdown
23:56:51 <Monty> One large one and five small numbers: 50, 1, 6, 4, 2, 5. Your target is 694. You have thirty seconds, tick, tock, tick, tock...
23:57:06 <bjoern_> Monty, calc 2*(6+1)*50
23:57:07 <Monty> bjoern_: 700
23:57:21 <Monty> Duh dum, duh dum, duh-da-da-dum! Your 30 seconds are up!
23:57:21 <bjoern_> Monty, calc 2*(6+1)*50 - (5)
23:57:22 <Monty> I found a solution in approximately 19 milliseconds. I found all 35 solutions in about 217 milliseconds.
23:57:24 <Monty> ibot (2*5 + 4)*50 - 6
23:57:25 <Monty> bjoern_: 695
23:57:49 <thelsdj> .calc (2 * (4+5) * 50 ) -6
23:57:49 <phenny> (2 * (4 + 5) * 50) - 6 = 894
23:58:01 <bjoern_> Monty, countdown
23:58:01 <Monty> One large one and five small numbers: 100, 5, 7, 1, 2, 10. Your target is 821. You have thirty seconds, tick, tock, tick, tock...
23:58:31 <Monty> Duh dum, duh dum, duh-da-da-dum! Your 30 seconds are up!
23:58:32 <Monty> I found a solution in approximately 208 milliseconds. I found all 1 solutions in about 217 milliseconds.
23:58:34 <Monty> ibot ((10 - 1)*2 + 100)*7 - 5
23:58:46 <bjoern_> all 1 solutions Monty, good work
23:58:52 <Monty> -that- sounds a binary this guy and the transcript too whacked out words, assembles them, and insanity is perl
23:58:52 <sbp> ety copacetic
23:58:57 <sbp> .ety copacetic
23:58:58 <phenny> "1919, but it may have origins in 19c." - http://etymonline.com/?term=copacetic
23:59:22 <bjoern_> the bots start h0rking it seems
23:59:43 <sbp> .reload etymology
23:59:43 <phenny> sbp: <module 'modules.etymology' from '/home/sbp/phenny/modules/etymology.py'> (version: 2006-05-01 23:48:39)
23:59:44 <sbp> .ety copacetic
23:59:47 <phenny> "1919, but it may have origins in 19c. Amer.Eng." - http://etymonline.com/?term=copacetic
23:59:52 <sbp> sigh
