00:07:45 <tav> hmz
00:07:54 <tav> anyone here in nyc btw?
00:08:38 <clsn> Was today, back now I fear.
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00:14:18 <lemonodor> i've only heard the term "enough" in the context of relativization.
00:14:24 <lemonodor> enough-namestring, enough-url...
00:15:16 <lemonodor> ENUFFING
00:15:20 <tav> clsn: damn
00:16:39 <tav> clsn: know interesting people there? going over to meet heads of various united nations departments, but know no-one else there... =(
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00:24:39 <clsn> jcowan lives in/near nyc doesn't he?
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00:35:06 <Arnia> This is handy: http://www.tug.org/texshowcase/cheat.pdf
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00:57:18 <clsn> tav: I'm going in to Brooklyn tomorrow, which is part of NYC... but not what you were thinking.
00:58:16 <tav> hmzie
01:07:30 <danja> that is an annoying advert
01:07:50 <danja> "Money"
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01:08:07 <danja> I believe a beatles track
01:08:18 <jcowan> Ittywhonk!
01:09:11 <danja> rewired by idiots in maybe 1979
01:09:30 <danja> the cover worked
01:10:38 <clsn> jcowan: got to inspect ultra-neato 13th-century Samaritan manuscript at NYPL today. wow.
01:10:49 <danja> but n ow it's selling something
01:10:59 <jcowan> Coolness, clsn.
01:12:00 <danja> jcowan, I might need your help soon (not homeworkùùùù9
01:12:00 <clsn> Very pretty, very neat bold writing... In different hands; it looks like someone much more recent did some repairs and also supplied missing pages at beginning and end. Not sure of the provenance of that.
01:12:26 * jcowan nods.
01:12:30 <jcowan> danja: Sure.
01:12:33 <danja> ta
01:13:00 * clsn discovered a leaf was missing. Heh. Kinda cool; nobody else woulda noticed. But the text at the bottom of one page didn't match what was at the top of the next. :) Hopefully it's detached floating around elsewhere in the codex.
01:13:11 <danja> wordage, first draft will be rubbish, etc
01:15:30 * danja wants docs for tag sout, ccopy-paste
01:15:37 <danja> bugger
01:15:58 <danja> but that was janish joplin
01:16:08 <danja> BAD TV
01:16:25 <danja> commercials
01:17:59 <jcowan> Try again, danja.
01:18:42 <danja> sorry, try agin later jc
01:19:06 * danja exhausted
01:19:25 <danja> triples triples triples
01:19:34 <danja> hp
01:19:38 <danja> uk
01:22:27 <jcowan> Go to bed, then.
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03:58:12 <bjoern_> Monty, countdown
03:58:12 <Monty> One large one and five small numbers: 100, 3, 4, 2, 9, 3. Your target is 210. You have thirty seconds, tick, tock, tick, tock...
03:58:22 <bjoern_> Monty, calc 100*2 + 9 + 3/3
03:58:22 <Monty> bjoern_: 210
03:58:30 <jetscreamer> 210!
03:58:42 <Monty> Duh dum, duh dum, duh-da-da-dum! Your 30 seconds are up!
03:58:43 <jetscreamer> damn i was just a tad too slow...
03:58:44 <Monty> I found a solution in approximately 2 milliseconds. I found all 410 solutions in about 207 milliseconds.
03:58:45 <Monty> ibot (3*4*9 - 3)*2
03:58:47 <bjoern_> .calc 210!
03:58:50 <phenny> bjoern_: Sorry, no result.
03:59:01 <bjoern_> .calc 6!
03:59:04 <phenny> 6 ! = 720
03:59:10 <bjoern_> .calc 20!
03:59:13 <phenny> 20 ! = 2.43290201e18
03:59:17 <bjoern_> .calc 31!
03:59:18 <phenny> 31 ! = 8.22283865e33
03:59:20 <bjoern_> .calc 32!
03:59:20 <phenny> 32 ! = 2.63130837e35
03:59:23 <bjoern_> .calc 63!
03:59:24 <phenny> 63 ! = 1.98260832e87
03:59:31 <bjoern_> .calc 95!
03:59:31 <phenny> 95 ! = 1.03299785e148
03:59:35 <bjoern_> .calc 120!
03:59:35 <phenny> 120 ! = 6.68950291e198
03:59:43 <bjoern_> .calc 164!
03:59:43 <phenny> 164 ! = 3.28721859e293
03:59:51 <bjoern_> .calc 190!
03:59:51 <phenny> bjoern_: Sorry, no result.
03:59:54 <bjoern_> .calc 188!
03:59:55 <phenny> bjoern_: Sorry, no result.
03:59:57 <bjoern_> .calc 180!
03:59:58 <phenny> bjoern_: Sorry, no result.
04:00:00 <bjoern_> bah
04:00:05 <bjoern_> Monty, countdown
04:00:06 <Monty> One large one and five small numbers: 100, 2, 2, 6, 3, 2. Your target is 607. You have thirty seconds, tick, tock, tick, tock...
04:00:13 <bjoern_> Monty, calc 100*6 + 3 + 2 + 2
04:00:14 <Monty> bjoern_: 607
04:00:16 <jetscreamer> .calc r^2=(y^2)+(x^2)
04:00:16 <phenny> jetscreamer: Sorry, no result.
04:00:36 <Monty> Duh dum, duh dum, duh-da-da-dum! Your 30 seconds are up!
04:00:37 <Monty> I found a solution in approximately 12 milliseconds. I found all 108 solutions in about 229 milliseconds.
04:00:39 <Monty> ibot (100 + 2)*6 - 3 - 2
04:00:41 <bjoern_> x = y = 0
04:00:57 <bjoern_> Monty, this is too easy
04:01:00 <bjoern_> Monty, countdown
04:01:00 <Monty> One large one and five small numbers: 75, 1, 8, 7, 4, 10. Your target is 635. You have thirty seconds, tick, tock, tick, tock...
04:01:02 <Monty> Richard Stallman's democratic Chicken McNuggets implements zig-zag Mozilla spam?!
04:01:15 <bjoern_> Monty, calc 8*75 + 4*10
04:01:15 <Monty> bjoern_: 640
04:01:30 <Monty> Duh dum, duh dum, duh-da-da-dum! Your 30 seconds are up!
04:01:31 <Monty> I found a solution in approximately 10 milliseconds. I found all 124 solutions in about 202 milliseconds.
04:01:33 <Monty> ibot 8*7*10 + 75
04:02:00 <bjoern_> Monty, calc 8*75 + 7*(4+1)
04:02:00 <Monty> bjoern_: 635
04:02:07 <bjoern_> Monty, countdown
04:02:08 <Monty> One large one and five small numbers: 100, 3, 3, 6, 1, 1. Your target is 689. You have thirty seconds, tick, tock, tick, tock...
04:02:25 <bjoern_> Monty, calc (6+1)*100 - 3*3 - 1
04:02:25 <Monty> bjoern_: 690
04:02:33 <bjoern_> Monty, calc (6+1)*(100-1)
04:02:33 <Monty> bjoern_: 693
04:02:37 <bjoern_> Monty, calc (6+1)*(100-1) - 3 - 1
04:02:37 <Monty> bjoern_: 689
04:02:39 <Monty> Duh dum, duh dum, duh-da-da-dum! Your 30 seconds are up!
04:02:40 <Monty> Oh bugger, I don't think I can solve that one!
04:02:53 <bjoern_> Monty, calc (6+1)*(100-1) - 6 + 3
04:02:53 <Monty> bjoern_: 690
04:03:13 <bjoern_> Monty, countdown
04:03:14 <Monty> One large one and five small numbers: 50, 9, 5, 5, 3, 7. Your target is 109. You have thirty seconds, tick, tock, tick, tock...
04:03:35 <bjoern_> Monty, calc 50 + 9*5 + 5 + 3 + 7
04:03:36 <Monty> bjoern_: 110
04:03:44 <Monty> Duh dum, duh dum, duh-da-da-dum! Your 30 seconds are up!
04:03:45 <Monty> I found a solution in approximately 2 milliseconds. I found all 198 solutions in about 196 milliseconds.
04:03:47 <Monty> ibot (9*5 - 7)*3 - 5
04:04:19 <bjoern_> Monty, countdown
04:04:19 <Monty> One large one and five small numbers: 50, 10, 6, 7, 2, 9. Your target is 617. You have thirty seconds, tick, tock, tick, tock...
04:04:49 <Monty> Duh dum, duh dum, duh-da-da-dum! Your 30 seconds are up!
04:04:51 <Monty> I found a solution in approximately 19 milliseconds. I found all 47 solutions in about 192 milliseconds.
04:04:52 <Monty> ibot (50 + 2 + 9)*10 + 7
04:05:15 <bjoern_> my results tend to be one off :(
04:05:16 <bjoern_> Monty, countdown
04:05:16 <Monty> One large one and five small numbers: 25, 1, 6, 5, 5, 7. Your target is 856. You have thirty seconds, tick, tock, tick, tock...
04:05:33 <bjoern_> Monty, calc (6*5+5)*25
04:05:33 <Monty> bjoern_: 875
04:05:46 <Monty> Duh dum, duh dum, duh-da-da-dum! Your 30 seconds are up!
04:05:48 <Monty> I found a solution in approximately 13 milliseconds. I found all 52 solutions in about 212 milliseconds.
04:05:49 <Monty> ibot (25*7 - 5)*5 + 6
04:10:25 <bjoern_> Monty, you're too good to be true
04:10:26 <Monty> digital edgy scissors.
04:10:39 <bjoern_> Monty, scissors
04:10:40 <Monty> I chose scissors - Draw!
04:10:45 <bjoern_> surprise! Monty...
04:10:48 <Monty> http 1.1 sort of economic expenditure.
04:11:24 <bjoern_> well, sort of Monty...
04:11:26 <Monty> echarp: heh, i say Pee Enn Gee
04:11:42 <bjoern_> :-) me too Monty
04:11:47 <Monty> I firmly believe that exhausted graphical servers slaps stupid tangled friends >:)
04:12:12 <bjoern_> Monty, firmly believe you do not.
04:12:14 <Monty> You must not gaze at RSPCA ;)
04:12:22 <bjoern_> .wik RSPCA
04:12:25 <phenny> "The Royal Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals (RSPCA) is a charity in England and Wales that promotes animal welfare." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RSPCA
04:12:48 <bjoern_> @action gazes at RSPCA
04:12:48 <bjoern_> @echo hahaha Monty, pwnd
04:12:48 <Monty> That is interesting. Please continue.
04:12:49 * supybot gazes at RSPCA
04:12:50 <supybot> hahaha Monty, pwnd
04:12:51 <Monty> Tell me more about that.
04:13:39 <bjoern_> Monty, hide
04:13:39 <Monty> ATHM
04:16:50 <bjoern_> Monty, if someone told you <someone> In Soviet Russia, joke laughs about YOU!, how'd you feel like?
04:16:56 <Monty> heya kristallpirat / Jenkz / Scum-Person / asw / asw / saul / lilo / possumman / talonlzr / Killarny / echarp / possumman / urgen
04:17:31 <bjoern_> The DaMonty Code.
04:17:32 <Monty> federation?
04:17:58 <bjoern_> if you hook up with the other firm believers, perhaps, Monty.
04:18:00 <Monty> The truth: hippo scrapes doshing staircase!
04:18:40 <bjoern_> -- Monty on hippo
04:18:41 <Monty> You must not slam arsey chums?
04:18:51 <bjoern_> me mustn't?
04:19:02 <bjoern_> why not, I don't get it Monty.
04:19:03 <Monty> AND HE IS
04:19:15 <bjoern_> ... IS WHAT, MoNtY?
04:19:18 <Monty> oh! not sure you'll manage themselves -- no effort and gals
04:19:34 <bjoern_> no gals? why not? Monty, tell me!
04:19:37 <Monty> very neat bold writing... In other guy's cursor?
04:19:42 <bjoern_> ...
04:19:46 <bjoern_> .ety gal
04:19:48 <phenny> "slang pronunciation of girl, 1795, execrated as a Cockney vulgarism." - http://etymonline.com/?term=gal
04:20:07 <bjoern_> .ety guy
04:20:08 <phenny> "'rope, chain, wire,' c.1350, 'leader,' from O.Fr. guie 'a guide,' from guier (see guide); or from a similar word in North Sea Gmc." - http://etymonline.com/?term=guy
04:20:26 <bjoern_> .ety slang
04:20:27 <phenny> "1756, 'special vocabulary of tramps or thieves,' later 'jargon of a particular profession' (1801), of uncertain origin, perhaps from a Scandinavian source, cf. Norw. slengenamn 'nickname,' slengja kjeften 'to abuse with words,' lit. 'to sling the jaw,' related to O.N. [...]" - http://etymonline.com/?term=slang
04:24:17 <bjoern_> "Putin: We have information that Uranus boasts a large population of Klingons." -- http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/UnNews:Planet_Earth_mocks_Iran_by_invading_Uranus
04:24:24 <jcowan> "Guy" in the relevant sense is probably from Guy (Guido) Fox/Faux/Fawkes.
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05:06:03 <bancus> .gc "gangsta parlance"
05:06:05 <phenny> "gangsta parlance": 9
05:06:25 <bancus> .g "gangsta parlance
05:06:27 <phenny> bancus: http://stormyclaude.diaryland.com/05jan05.html
05:06:30 <bancus> .g "gangsta parlance"
05:06:32 <phenny> bancus: http://stormyclaude.diaryland.com/05jan05.html
05:17:58 <bjoern_> .compare altogether alltogether
05:18:01 <phenny> altogether (85,900,000), alltogether (796,000)
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05:45:20 <bjoern_> hahaha http://www.blackboxvoting.org/BBVtsxstudy.pdf
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06:58:48 <bjoern_> Monty, countdown
06:58:48 <Monty> One large one and five small numbers: 100, 1, 7, 8, 9, 10. Your target is 962. You have thirty seconds, tick, tock, tick, tock...
06:59:13 <bjoern_> Monty, calc 10*(100 - 10 + 7)
06:59:14 <Monty> bjoern_: 970
06:59:16 <bjoern_> Monty, calc 10*(100 - 10 + 7) - 8
06:59:17 <Monty> bjoern_: 962
06:59:18 <Monty> Duh dum, duh dum, duh-da-da-dum! Your 30 seconds are up!
06:59:20 <Monty> I found a solution in approximately 9 milliseconds. I found all 56 solutions in about 204 milliseconds.
06:59:21 <Monty> ibot (100 + 8)*9 - 10
06:59:37 <bjoern_> Monty, countdown
06:59:37 <Monty> One large one and five small numbers: 50, 8, 3, 7, 10, 6. Your target is 803. You have thirty seconds, tick, tock, tick, tock...
07:00:07 <Monty> Duh dum, duh dum, duh-da-da-dum! Your 30 seconds are up!
07:00:08 <Monty> I found a solution in approximately 9 milliseconds. I found all 36 solutions in about 189 milliseconds.
07:00:10 <Monty> ibot (10 + 6)*50 + 3
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07:56:25 <bjoern_> hahaha http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=us&q=Donald+Payne+germany
07:57:01 <bjoern_> .gc "trafficking of women"
07:57:05 <phenny> "trafficking of women": 453,000
07:57:24 <bjoern_> .w trafficking
07:57:27 <phenny> trafficking 1. deal illegally
07:57:30 <phenny> trafficking 2. trade or deal a commodity
07:57:54 <bjoern_> @translate german to english ficken
07:57:56 <supybot> bjoern_: ficken
07:57:59 <bjoern_> bah
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08:13:17 <thelsdj> bah stupid character encoding, a channel i want to join for learning japanese doesn't use utf8
08:13:41 <thelsdj> i got irssi to send correctly, but it displays shit wrong even my own text, can't get it to convert back to utf8 when displaying
08:22:56 <est> thelsdj: shiftJIS?
08:24:13 <thelsdj> no, euc
08:24:32 <thelsdj> er no
08:24:36 <thelsdj> iso 2022 jp
08:24:55 <thelsdj> yea thats it heh
08:26:04 <est> you know how to say EUC?
08:28:20 <thelsdj> what do you mean?
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08:53:37 <est> you say, "yuck"
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10:56:50 <sbp> 'Coordinating conjunctions, also called coordinators, are conjunctions that join two items of equal syntactic importance. For example, for, and, nor, but, or, yet, so. These form the mnemonic "FANBOYS".' - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grammatical_conjunction
10:57:55 <Arnia> hey sbp
10:58:13 <sbp> hi Arnia!
10:59:01 <sbp> did you see my project name plea?
11:04:53 <Arnia> no...
11:05:09 <sbp> http://lists.swhack.com/swhack/2006-May/000072
11:05:45 <sbp> contenders so far include Argo, Tarson, and Athame
11:10:06 <Arnia> Iameth
11:10:30 <JibberJim> chicken
11:10:49 <sbp> hehe
11:11:00 <sbp> I quite like Iameth. sorry about Chicken...
11:11:03 <sbp> .wik Iameth
11:11:17 <phenny> Can't connect to en.wikipedia.org (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iameth)
11:11:19 <sbp> oh, I liked Alfur too from last night
11:11:36 <Arnia> "An angel encountered in occult and apocryphal writings. He is the only beneficent spirit who is able to overcome the machinations of Kunospaston, demon of the sea"
11:12:18 * sbp flicks through http://www.esotericarchives.com/solomon/nameindx.htm
11:16:25 <Arnia> Asiel -- "created of God"
11:19:55 <sbp> for some reason I don't think the -el suffix (and I well know its etymology) phonologically fits the project, though I'm not entirely sure. I mean, a lot of the names on the list end with -el, so it's something I had to think about :-)
11:20:25 <sbp> I like Iameth a lot
11:20:57 <sbp> "tranfyel" looks kinda Welsh
11:22:13 <sbp> http://www.esotericarchives.com/juratus/juratus.htm has a very interesting copyright license
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11:25:22 <Arnia> that is indeed... odd
11:25:46 <sbp> bet it doesn't qualify as Open Source
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11:27:49 <Arnia> heh
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11:44:31 <Arnia> I want a copyright licence that transfers people's souls to me
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11:49:48 <sbp> GPL v3?
11:50:52 * Arnia sets up a contract on his phone
11:50:59 <Arnia> Well, template contract
11:51:14 <Arnia> If anyone wants to borrow anything off me they just have to sign >:)
11:55:04 <sbp> heh, heh
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12:17:31 <bjoern_> DEATH TO ALL HUMANS!
12:17:34 <bjoern_> Hey Monty.
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12:17:47 <bjoern_> :-(
12:19:59 <JibberJim> bjoern_!
12:20:05 <JibberJim> Don't kill humans!
12:20:07 <JibberJim> we're nice
12:20:17 <JibberJim> we make good slaves oh masterful overlord
12:20:56 <bjoern_> hahaha, filthy humans don't have to be killed, they die by themselves!
12:25:38 <JibberJim> phew
12:25:43 <JibberJim> I'm relieved to hear that
12:26:51 <bjoern_> they are just a bunch of monkeys after all
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15:23:12 <bjoern_> hahaha http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=oddlyEnoughNews&storyid=2006-05-03T204308Z_01_L02306327_RTRUKOC_0_US-ITALY-THIEF.xml
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15:43:40 <bjoern_> .gc "Sic Heil"
15:43:43 <phenny> "Sic Heil": 109
15:43:46 <bjoern_> .gc "Sick Heil"
15:43:49 <phenny> "Sick Heil": 22
15:45:56 <bjoern_> [[[
15:45:56 <bjoern_> I've come up with a way to reduceperhaps even eliminateour dependence on foreign oil as an energy source. As more and more civil liberties are trampled upon, faster and faster will the Founding Fathers spin in their respective graves.
15:45:56 <bjoern_> If we attach magnets to each Founding Father, then wrap copper wire around each of them, we should have a potentially unlimited energy source. Well, at least until the Libertarians get elected in significant numbersso yeah, come to think of it, it truly is unlimited.
15:45:57 <bjoern_> The AC frequency, of course, might be unpredictable. In fact, I'd suspect it will be ever-increasing, which could create some technical issues to overcome. But we're smart people, I'm sure we can figure it out.
15:46:00 <bjoern_> What do you all say? Shall we write up a grant proposal?
15:46:02 <bjoern_> ]]]
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15:50:10 <bjoern_> .gc "Everybody has skeletons in their closets"
15:50:13 <phenny> "Everybody has skeletons in their closets": 18
15:53:26 <JibberJim> .gc "nobody has donkeys in their garage"
15:53:29 <phenny> "nobody has donkeys in their garage": 0
15:54:04 <bjoern_> .gc donkey skeletons in the garage closet
15:54:06 <phenny> donkey skeletons in the garage closet : 59,000
16:03:36 <bjoern_> [[[
16:03:42 <bjoern_> And I can't believe people are actually fooled into thinking somehow terrorism is a major threat. If you want to save the most amount of lives with the least amount of effort, fight obesity. It accounts for most of the top killers in America today.
16:03:42 <bjoern_> But obesity isn't patriotic. You can't hang a flag outside your house supporting the war on fat.
16:03:43 <bjoern_> ]]]
16:11:18 <redmonk> that's the "War On Fat" to you, buddy
16:12:46 <bjoern_> .compare "war on fat" "war off fat" "war of fat" "fat war" "war fat"
16:12:50 <phenny> "war on fat" (68,700), "fat war" (26,600), "war fat" (838), "war of fat" (22), "war off fat" (0)
16:20:36 <bjoern_> "As for Windows, a lot of people call me and tell me the Windows business isn't going in the right direction, and I tell them it's going absolutely in the right direction, and that's without us supporting it. Just imagine what's going to happen once we get behind the platform in the way we intend to." -- Rich Wickham, director of the Windows games business at Microsoft
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17:14:47 <redmonk> sbp: you ever pick a name?
17:14:54 <redmonk> i never saw any more traffic on the mailing list
17:16:11 <sbp> redmonk: oddly enough, I'm still doing that process right now
17:16:16 <sbp> I just drew up yet another shortlist
17:16:24 <sbp> and am just about to googlecount each member of the shortlist
17:16:27 <sbp> so, in short, no
17:16:53 <redmonk> what's the shortlist?
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17:18:38 <sbp> redmonk: Argo, Alfur, Nuon, Emu, Carina, Noctua, Felix
17:18:49 <redmonk> argo++
17:18:54 <sbp> heh, heh
17:18:55 * redmonk has to keep his rep going
17:19:00 <sbp> that's the provisional name I'm using
17:19:13 <redmonk> w00t! the power of the incumbent!
17:19:17 <sbp> .compare argo alfur nuon
17:19:21 <phenny> argo (10,100,000), nuon (1,810,000), alfur (53,400)
17:19:21 <sbp> .compare emu carina
17:19:23 <phenny> emu (17,900,000), carina (11,400,000)
17:19:24 <sbp> .compare noctua felix
17:19:27 <phenny> felix (70,500,000), noctua (1,690,000)
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17:20:18 <sbp> I think I can discount nuon and alfur actually
17:20:41 <sbp> and carina. felix is nice, but check out the googlecount
17:20:52 <sbp> so: argo, emu, noctua
17:20:53 <redmonk> well sure, it's the latin name for cat
17:20:56 <sbp> right
17:21:09 <redmonk> noctua seems a bit harsh
17:21:11 <sbp> .ety feline
17:21:14 <phenny> "1681, from L.L. felinus 'of or belonging to a cat,' from L. feles (gen. felis) 'cat, wild cat, marten,' of uncertain origin." - http://etymonline.com/?term=feline
17:21:18 <sbp> really? you don't like noctua?
17:21:29 <sbp> hmm, I guess it is a bit clacky
17:21:50 <sbp> emu is too short and has too high a gc I think
17:22:00 <redmonk> it's pretty good, but i like emu better. other than the "can't get off the ground flightless bird" thing
17:22:02 <sbp> so does argo :-)
17:22:07 <sbp> heh, heh
17:22:10 <redmonk> he
17:22:12 <redmonk> heh
17:22:13 <redmonk> sure
17:22:19 <thelsdj> hrm, already some software usage for 'argo'
17:22:25 <sbp> thelsdj: oh?
17:22:28 <thelsdj> argoxml
17:22:32 <sbp> argh
17:22:33 <redmonk> ooooooh
17:22:35 <sbp> .g argo-xml
17:22:35 <thelsdj> er
17:22:35 <redmonk> forgot about that
17:22:37 <thelsdj> argouml
17:22:37 <phenny> sbp: http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-kuml-devel&m=95096606726813&w=2
17:22:38 <redmonk> damnit
17:22:39 <thelsdj> imean
17:22:43 <sbp> .g argo-uml
17:22:45 <phenny> sbp: http://argouml.tigris.org/
17:22:53 <thelsdj> and an argosoft company
17:22:58 * redmonk shakes fist at collabnet
17:23:07 <sbp> that is a bit of a bugger
17:23:10 <sbp> how about emu?
17:23:58 <thelsdj> emu is short for video game emulators
17:24:01 <sbp> heh, heh
17:24:08 <sbp> good grief
17:24:17 <sbp> choosing names is really hard
17:24:20 <thelsdj> yea
17:24:21 <sbp> this is such a fun project too
17:24:36 <sbp> noctua...
17:24:44 <Jibbler> emu is too close to emo
17:24:50 <sbp> .ety nocturnal
17:24:53 <phenny> "1485, from M.Fr. nocturnal, from L.L. nocturnalis, from L. nocturnus 'belonging to the night,' from nox (gen. noctis) 'night,' cognate with O.E. neaht (see night) + -urnus, suffix forming adjectives of time." - http://etymonline.com/?term=nocturnal
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17:26:46 <sbp> I should call it Twiglet
17:26:50 <thelsdj> ew
17:27:08 <sbp> (I am eating some right now)
17:27:32 <nsh> Project name: Neutrinity
17:27:53 <sbp> that's pretty good
17:27:57 <sbp> .gc neutrinity
17:27:58 <nsh> what is it anyway?
17:27:59 <phenny> neutrinity: 4
17:28:10 <thelsdj> use noctau
17:28:12 <sbp> too long, possibly. but hmm
17:28:15 <thelsdj> its only got about 33 hits
17:28:16 <sbp> .gc noctau
17:28:18 <thelsdj> the gc is off
17:28:24 <phenny> noctau: 31
17:28:27 <redmonk> sounds like a neologism of neutrino and trinity
17:28:41 <nsh> yah
17:28:59 <redmonk> 4 syllables is a bit longish, but i like it
17:29:05 <sbp> nsh: I won't say more about the project because I think it'll badly influence naming
17:29:10 <nsh> ah ok
17:29:13 <nsh> probably
17:29:28 <sbp> I know what it is, and I'm having problems :-)
17:29:29 <redmonk> neotral
17:29:33 <redmonk> neotrality
17:29:50 <redmonk> otral
17:30:10 <redmonk> eon?
17:30:24 <sbp> .gc eon
17:30:26 <phenny> eon: 8,490,000
17:30:33 <thelsdj> .gc tauon
17:30:36 <phenny> tauon: 447,000
17:30:38 <sbp> hmm, not as bad as argo
17:30:40 <sbp> ooh
17:30:42 <sbp> tauon
17:30:48 <redmonk> it's got your letters!
17:30:52 <redmonk> all of them
17:30:52 <nsh> yay
17:30:56 <sbp> yeah! hehe
17:30:57 <JibberJim> tauone
17:31:05 <redmonk> tauntaun!
17:31:08 <sbp> tau1!11!!!
17:31:18 <redmonk> oph, stick a greek tau in there
17:31:25 <thelsdj> tauon is short for the tau lepton particle heh
17:31:54 <thelsdj> .wik tau lepton
17:31:58 <phenny> "The tau lepton (often called the tau or occasionally the tauon) is a negatively charged elementary particle with a lifetime of 3×10−13 seconds and a high mass of 1777 MeV (compared to 939 MeV for protons and 0.511 MeV for electrons)." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tau_lepton
17:32:04 <sbp> it's very good. I'm going to put it on the shortlist
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17:36:01 <sbp> .wik Yagua
17:36:04 <phenny> "There are approximately 3,000 to 4,000 Yagua people in northeastern Peru." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yagua
17:36:33 <sbp> sounds kinda Japanese
17:37:05 <BigJibby> .help
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17:37:47 <redmonk> yaqua
17:38:06 <sbp> oh! bird names are a good idea
17:38:07 <redmonk> qayua
17:38:28 <redmonk> ivory-billed-woodpecker!
17:39:15 <sbp> .compare kestrel magpie skylark lapwing blackbird
17:39:19 <phenny> blackbird (8,940,000), kestrel (5,560,000), magpie (4,970,000), skylark (2,960,000), lapwing (1,490,000)
17:40:05 <redmonk> .gc kestrel software
17:40:07 <phenny> kestrel software: 787,000
17:41:10 <sbp> .compare petrel toucan ibis quail avocet
17:41:13 <phenny> ibis (17,600,000), quail (13,900,000), toucan (2,500,000), petrel (1,650,000), avocet (1,600,000)
17:41:41 <redmonk> Vireo
17:41:59 <redmonk> http://www.rarebirds.com/ <-- croll down
17:42:02 <redmonk> scroll
17:42:25 <redmonk> cerule
17:42:32 <redmonk> serule
17:42:44 <sbp> .compare skua cuckoo pipit wren sparrow
17:42:52 <phenny> sparrow (14,300,000), cuckoo (11,500,000), wren (10,300,000), pipit (1,470,000), skua (1,400,000)
17:42:58 <sbp> ooh, nice list
17:43:30 <redmonk> tanager
17:43:34 <redmonk> fun to say
17:43:47 <nsh> .ety wren
17:43:50 <redmonk> .compare verio tanager cerule
17:43:53 <phenny> verio (2,090,000), tanager (1,550,000), cerule (13,400)
17:43:56 <phenny> "O.E. wrenna, metathesis variation of earlier werna, a W.Gmc. word of uncertain origin." - http://etymonline.com/?term=wren
17:44:04 <nsh> .wik metathesis
17:44:17 <phenny> "In phonology, a change that alters the order of phonemes, see Metathesis (linguistics)" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metathesis
17:45:01 <sbp> .ety cerule
17:45:04 <phenny> Can't find the etymology for "cerule". Try http://etymonline.com/?search=cerule
17:45:05 <sbp> .w cerule
17:45:07 <sbp> .wik cerule
17:45:12 <phenny> I couldn't find 'cerule' in WordNet.
17:45:17 <phenny> "Te slăvim Românie (We glorify you, Romania) was the national anthem of the People's Republic of Romania between 1953 and 1977." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Te_slăvim_Românie
17:45:23 <sbp> heh
17:45:36 <nsh> ??
17:45:54 <thelsdj> i think cerule basically just means blue
17:46:01 <redmonk> sorry, i knicked it from cerulean
17:46:07 <sbp> skylark, lapwing, toucan, petrel, avocet, pipit, and skua seem fairly low
17:46:13 <sbp> in Googlecount, relatively...
17:46:13 <redmonk> i lopped it down
17:46:22 <JibberJim> arrrgh! why can't I create a windows 2000 boot cd :-(
17:46:33 <redmonk> the fates are against you
17:46:46 <sbp> toucan and avocet seem to work best as project names
17:47:05 <redmonk> how do you figure?
17:47:18 <redmonk> skua sounds familiar
17:47:36 <BigJibby> toucan sam!
17:47:49 <redmonk> avoset
17:48:05 <redmonk> clever reference to data sets
17:48:14 <redmonk> and sounds french
17:48:32 <redmonk> you could tell people it's "avosay"
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17:51:34 <sbp> l'avocet
17:51:38 <sbp> .wik Avocet
17:51:42 <phenny> "The four species of Avocets are waders in the same bird family as the stilts." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avocet
17:51:49 <sbp> .ety avocet
17:51:52 <sbp> .ety toucan
17:51:53 <phenny> Can't find the etymology for "avocet". Try http://etymonline.com/?search=avocet
17:51:55 <phenny> "bright-colored bird of S.America, 1568, from Fr. toucan (1558) and Sp. tucan, from Tupi (Brazil) tuka, tukana, probably imitative of its call." - http://etymonline.com/?term=toucan
17:52:15 <redmonk> and of course you'd have a built-in cover bird for your future o-reilly book
17:52:26 <sbp> heh, heh
17:52:36 <sbp> Toucan sounds a bit too playful, colourful. kinda childish
17:52:52 <redmonk> i like avoset
17:52:58 * BigJibby has some fruit loops
17:53:01 <sbp> I prefer avocet
17:53:05 <sbp> .compare avocet avoset
17:53:07 <redmonk> AVOSET!
17:53:07 <phenny> avocet (1,600,000), avoset (17,500)
17:53:10 <redmonk> ha!
17:53:16 <sbp> even with the higher Googlecount :-)
17:53:44 <redmonk> :)
17:53:47 * redmonk sulks
17:53:48 * sbp adds toucan and avocet to the shortlist
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17:54:52 <thelsdj> cetau
17:55:08 <sbp> .gc cetau
17:55:10 <phenny> cetau: 2,000
17:55:30 <sbp> man
17:55:36 <sbp> when you're going through loads of names like this
17:55:47 <sbp> it starts to get really difficult to apply them and see how they'd be
17:56:21 <sbp> I can't really imagine spending a lot of time working on a "cetau", but with "tauon" perhaps so
17:56:36 <sbp> check out Tauon
17:56:42 <sbp> Sean B. Palmer has released a Tauon update
17:56:43 <thelsdj> heh
17:56:48 <sbp> it's hard
17:57:15 <thelsdj> I'll just tauon it.
17:57:21 <sbp> heh!
17:57:24 <redmonk> sbp: you need to write a script that outputs 5 or 6 common phrases, and inserts each product name
17:57:28 <sbp> get it off the tauon
17:57:35 <redmonk> heh
17:57:44 <sbp> that's not a bad idea
17:57:46 <redmonk> "oh yeah i put that in avocet
17:57:47 <redmonk> "
17:58:37 <thelsdj> "It's on my tauonspace."
17:58:37 <sbp> Avocet actually works really well in phrases. a bit better than I'd thought
17:58:41 <sbp> hehe
17:58:45 <sbp> then you have to think of sequels
17:58:49 <sbp> Tauon 2. Avocet 2
17:59:03 <redmonk> Avocet, le deuxieme
17:59:13 <sbp> and subsumpsions of other projects
17:59:18 <redmonk> Avocet Theory
17:59:18 <sbp> TauonAjax
17:59:29 <sbp> Google Tauon
17:59:33 <redmonk> lol
17:59:36 <thelsdj> Tauon4j
17:59:45 <redmonk> Avojax
17:59:52 <redmonk> AvoJ
17:59:57 <sbp> Tauon NG
18:00:06 <redmonk> TauoNG
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18:00:53 <sbp> perhaps I should re-admit Tarson
18:00:59 <redmonk> ugh
18:01:05 <sbp> the hardcore homosexual pornography put me off rather
18:01:10 <redmonk> not sure i can get over the gay porn thing
18:01:13 <sbp> yeah...
18:01:22 <redmonk> perhaps i should rewordthat sentence
18:01:26 <thelsdj> tarson also sounds like a warrior alien race from some scifi
18:01:27 <sbp> heh, heh
18:01:36 <sbp> at least the word "off" was nowhere near it
18:01:45 <sbp> yeah
18:01:46 <redmonk> heh
18:01:49 <sbp> The Tarson
18:01:58 <sbp> The Mighty Tarson
18:02:05 <redmonk> Harcore Alien Gay Porn
18:02:07 <sbp> feel Tarson's mig... nevermind
18:02:17 <redmonk> Migt!
18:02:19 <sbp> HAGaP
18:02:21 <sbp> hehe
18:02:23 <sbp> Migt
18:02:26 <sbp> .gc migt
18:02:29 <phenny> migt: 191,000
18:02:43 <redmonk> we've been over that
18:02:46 <redmonk> you wanted Miggt
18:02:51 <sbp> yeah, I remember
18:02:54 <sbp> I quite like it actually
18:02:59 <redmonk> then told me it was a font name. jerk. :-)
18:03:07 <sbp> right
18:03:10 <sbp> I think it's a bit too novelty
18:03:12 <redmonk> haha
18:03:15 <sbp> with fonts, you want a novelty name
18:03:38 <redmonk> I still like Migt better than miggt
18:03:43 <sbp> it also reminds me of Midge, and annoying flying insect
18:03:50 <redmonk> hehe
18:03:55 <sbp> s/and/an/
18:03:58 <redmonk> tell people its pronounced "midget"
18:04:02 <sbp> hehe
18:04:07 <redmonk> MIGT
18:04:08 <sbp> midgt
18:04:20 <redmonk> no then it's web 2.0 for small people
18:04:29 <sbp> midgr
18:04:33 <redmonk> lol
18:06:47 <sbp> meyne?
18:06:58 <redmonk> pronunciatino?
18:07:03 <sbp> it means "group" in Middle English
18:07:08 <sbp> main?
18:07:26 <redmonk> "main" too common as a sound
18:07:38 <redmonk> everyo0ne will hear Main
18:08:09 <sbp> may-na?
18:08:17 <thelsdj> i think spelling should be obvious from pronunciation
18:08:21 <redmonk> better
18:08:25 <redmonk> but yeah i'm with thelsdj
18:08:35 <sbp> yeah
18:08:50 <sbp> I won't even shortlist it
18:08:53 <sbp> sad though I am :-)
18:11:26 <sbp> perhaps an etymological spelling of one of the bird names?
18:11:34 <sbp> .ety blackbird
18:11:37 <sbp> .ety kestrel
18:11:38 <phenny> Can't find the etymology for "blackbird". Try http://etymonline.com/?search=blackbird
18:11:39 <phenny> "15c., from M.Fr. cresserelle, from L. crepitacillium 'small rattle,' dim. of crepitaculum 'noisy bell, rattle,' from crepitare 'to crackle, rattle;' possibly from the old belief that their noise frightened away other hawks." - http://etymonline.com/?term=kestrel
18:11:40 <sbp> .ety magpie
18:11:41 <nsh> .ety parapet
18:11:42 <phenny> "1605, common European bird, known for its chattering, earlier simply pie; first element from Mag, nickname for Margaret, long used in Eng. proverbial and slang senses for qualities associated generally with women, especially in this case 'idle chattering' (cf. Magge [...]" - http://etymonline.com/?term=magpie
18:11:43 <sbp> .ety skylark
18:11:44 <phenny> "1590, from M.Fr. parapet 'breastwork,' from It. parapetto, from para- 'defense' (from L. parare 'prepare') + petto 'breast,' from L. pectus (see pectoral)." - http://etymonline.com/?term=parapet
18:11:46 <phenny> "the common European lark, 1686, from sky + lark." - http://etymonline.com/?term=skylark
18:11:46 <sbp> .ety lapwing
18:11:49 <phenny> "M.E. lappewinke (1390), lapwyngis (c.1430), folk etymology alteration of O.E. hleapewince, lit. 'leaper-winker,' from hleapan 'to leap' + wince 'totter, waver, move rapidly,' related to wincian 'to wink.' Said to be 'in reference to its irregular flapping manner of [...]" - http://etymonline.com/?term=lapwing
18:11:49 <sbp> .ety quail
18:11:52 <phenny> "c.1300, quayle, from O.Fr. quaille, perhaps via M.L. quaccula (cf. Prov. calha, It. quaglia, O.Sp. coalla), from a Gmc. source (cf. O.H.G. quahtala 'quail,' Ger. Wachtel), imitative of the bird's cry." - http://etymonline.com/?term=quail
18:11:55 <sbp> .ety sparrow
18:11:58 <phenny> "small brownish-gray bird, O.E. spearwa, from P.Gmc. *sparwan (cf. O.N. spörr, O.H.G. sparo, Ger. Sperling, Goth. sparwa), from PIE *sper- (cf. Cornish frau 'crow;' O.Prus. spurglis 'sparrow;' Gk. spergoulos 'small field bird,' psar 'starling')." - http://etymonline.com/?term=sparrow
18:11:59 <sbp> .ety cuckoo
18:12:01 <phenny> "c.1240, from O.Fr. cucu, echoic of the male bird's mating cry (cf. Gk. kokkyx, L. cuculus, Skt. kokilas)." - http://etymonline.com/?term=cuckoo
18:12:03 <sbp> .ety wren
18:12:06 <sbp> .ety pipit
18:12:06 <phenny> "O.E. wrenna, metathesis variation of earlier werna, a W.Gmc. word of uncertain origin." - http://etymonline.com/?term=wren
18:12:08 <phenny> Can't find the etymology for "pipit". Try http://etymonline.com/?search=pipit
18:12:13 <sbp> * * *
18:12:48 <sbp> lapwing has an awesome etymology
18:13:09 <redmonk> indeed
18:13:13 <thelsdj> if you're going to go with bird names i like avocet/set
18:13:24 <sbp> yeah, I like avocet
18:13:34 <redmonk> although adding an extra "l" to lapwing looks cool: llapwing
18:13:49 <sbp> .g avocet etymology
18:13:52 <phenny> sbp: http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?va=avocets
18:13:56 <sbp> heh
18:14:07 <sbp> "French & Italian; French avocette, from Italian avocetta"
18:14:27 * sbp tries the OED for more information
18:14:32 <sbp> .img avocet
18:14:35 <phenny> avocet: http://www.ownbyphotography.com/avocet.jpg
18:15:08 <redmonk> http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=4&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.avocetsystems.com%2F&ei=bc1kRLv8Grv6YK3nkKgH&sig2=n3UxvImN_8omv5sce5LTbg
18:15:09 <thelsdj> nice photo
18:15:21 <redmonk> http://www.avocet.com/
18:15:21 <sbp> "a. F. avocette, ad. It. avosetta."
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18:15:32 <sbp> sportswear is no problem
18:15:35 <redmonk> avocet is a pretty fmailiar name in cycling
18:16:04 <sbp> hmm
18:16:30 <thelsdj> ♪
18:16:35 <sbp> oh, I should try random places on an OS map
18:16:38 <thelsdj> theres your name
18:16:39 <sbp> .pc ♪
18:16:42 <phenny> 266A: EIGHTH NOTE (♪)
18:16:49 <sbp> how zen
18:16:56 <sbp> I wanted them to call Atom <))
18:17:03 <thelsdj> heh
18:17:17 <sbp> seriously!
18:17:54 <redmonk> <)) ?
18:18:00 <sbp> yeah
18:18:03 <redmonk> i don't get it
18:18:06 <Ash> <)) ??
18:18:09 <redmonk> ascii megaphone?
18:18:12 <Ash> <))><
18:18:20 <sbp> man, the UK is packed with awesome stuff. I zoomed right onto the remains of a medieval village
18:18:28 <sbp> it's a kind of satellite dish thing
18:18:32 <sbp> transmitter
18:18:39 <redmonk> ah
18:19:20 <thelsdj> .cp whole note
18:19:22 <phenny> 1D15D: MUSICAL SYMBOL WHOLE NOTE (𝅝)
18:19:33 <Ash> .cp sixteenth note
18:19:35 <thelsdj> hrm doesn't display correctly
18:19:36 <phenny> 266C: BEAMED SIXTEENTH NOTES (♬)
18:19:39 <phenny> 1D161: MUSICAL SYMBOL SIXTEENTH NOTE (𝅘𝅥𝅯)
18:19:47 <Ash> .cp sixty-fourth note
18:19:49 <phenny> 1D163: MUSICAL SYMBOL SIXTY-FOURTH NOTE (𝅘𝅥𝅱)
18:20:05 <thelsdj> guess my font doesn't handle stuff in the 1d range
18:21:13 <thelsdj> .cp rest
18:21:15 <phenny> 2318: PLACE OF INTEREST SIGN (⌘)
18:21:18 <phenny> 2A64: Z NOTATION DOMAIN ANTIRESTRICTION (⩤)
18:21:21 <phenny> 2A65: Z NOTATION RANGE ANTIRESTRICTION (⩥) [...]
18:21:35 <sbp> yay U+2318
18:21:55 <redmonk> sbp: i'm liking tanager a lot
18:22:06 <sbp> don't think place names are going to work, on the OS front
18:22:09 <sbp> .gc tanager
18:22:11 <phenny> tanager: 1,550,000
18:22:13 <sbp> that was a bird name, wunnit?
18:22:21 <sbp> .wik Tanager
18:22:25 <phenny> "There are 240 species of Tanagers in the bird family Thraupidae." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanager
18:22:28 <redmonk> (i've been keeling alist of my own of the names i like that i might use in the future)
18:22:34 <redmonk> keeping
18:22:47 <sbp> from these discussions, or prior to all this?
18:22:52 <redmonk> from these discussions
18:22:57 <sbp> heheh
18:23:10 <sbp> good idea. I do that sort of thing too
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18:23:22 <sbp> d8uv! think of names
18:23:46 <sbp> "DONG" is an UNPERMITTED SUBSTRING
18:24:00 <thelsdj> d8uv: think 'doomed project'
18:24:15 <sbp> and "name"
18:24:28 <sbp> Titania
18:24:43 <thelsdj> puck?
18:24:47 <thelsdj> oberon!
18:24:54 <sbp> heh, heh
18:25:12 <sbp> I had thought of Hermia, actually
18:25:44 <d8uv> Wedongall?
18:26:03 <sbp> UNPERMITTED SUBSTRING
18:26:20 <sbp> (case insensitive)
18:26:50 <sbp> I should just go for the worst possible name
18:26:53 <sbp> which is Cabbidj
18:27:31 <sbp> thelsdj: huh, actually, Oberon is quite good
18:27:52 <sbp> oh, nevermind
18:27:59 <sbp> it's already an operating system
18:28:13 <d8uv> Use "farts lol"
18:28:20 <d8uv> FARTS LOL
18:28:25 <sbp> unpermitted substrings
18:28:33 <d8uv> Your icon can be a butt laughing
18:28:34 <Morbus> what order do epople set their SSH PreferredAuthentications in?
18:28:39 <sbp> haha
18:29:28 <d8uv> sbp: just use your middle name, and don't tell us
18:29:52 <sbp> Butterfly!
18:29:54 <sbp> that's not too bad
18:30:11 <sbp> I didn't think a B* word would work
18:30:18 <sbp> on the other hand
18:30:19 <sbp> .gc butterfly
18:30:22 <phenny> butterfly: 73,500,000
18:30:48 <sbp> Morbus: might make a good mailing list question
18:32:15 <Morbus> i've got mine set for publickey then password.
18:32:23 <Morbus> but i thought a publickey always allowed no password.
18:32:31 <Morbus> but i always get asked a password.
18:32:36 <Morbus> not sure which end i've set up incorrectly.
18:32:45 <sbp> you can use ssh-agent
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18:34:50 <thelsdj> Morbus: only if you don't give your key a password...
18:35:10 <thelsdj> if your key has a password then you have to type password, or use ssh-agent
18:37:37 <Morbus> i dont recall giving my key a password.
18:38:03 <thelsdj> then you probably didn't setup the authorized keys thing right or something
18:38:44 <jsled> Check the group settings on the .ssh dir and authorized_keys file.
18:38:58 <jsled> Also ... *rummages*
18:39:11 <Morbus> where would the authorized_keys thing be?
18:39:16 <jsled> ~/.ssh/
18:39:32 <Morbus> huh.
18:39:36 <Morbus> i don't have a .ssh at all.
18:39:40 <Morbus> i wonder why he asked for my publickey
18:39:46 <Morbus> could he have put it somewhere else?
18:39:53 <jsled> ~./ssh2/ ?
18:39:56 <Morbus> nope
18:40:27 <jsled> I don't know where else it would go.
18:41:02 <jsled> try `ssh -v` from the client side to get some detail on what it's (not) trying.
18:41:20 <Morbus> well, it goes to publickey first, then passwd, then i'm in.
18:41:36 <Morbus> and that's with PrAu=publickey,password
18:42:26 <jsled> Well, if the pubkeys not on the server side, that's not going to work too well. :) If you can get in with password, you can add it yourself.
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18:45:00 <Morbus> one of these days, i'm gonna learn how to use ssh-agent.
18:45:22 <sbp> just start your shell in it
18:45:35 <sbp> so whatever command you'd use to start your shell, prefix it with ssh-agent
18:45:51 <sbp> e.g. ssh-agent /usr/bin/zsh --login -i
18:46:05 <sbp> then run ssh-add and it'll prompt for your password
18:46:06 <Morbus> i start my shell by clicking Terminal.
18:46:07 <Morbus> <g>
18:46:14 <sbp> that'll be the last time you have to do it in that session
18:46:15 <Morbus> but yeah, i think i know where to set it.
18:46:15 <redmonk> Morbus: or use one of the os x frontends
18:46:25 <sbp> so make another shortcut or change Terminal's prefs, etc.
18:46:31 <Morbus> yeah, terminal pref.
18:46:33 <jsled> Or, from w/in the shell, `exec ssh-agent bash`
18:46:39 <redmonk> i used sshkeychain
18:46:44 <jsled> I usually do that when I log in on the console.
18:49:43 <lemonodor> shortcut, terminal prefs? forget that.
18:49:47 <lemonodor> use the "SSH Agent" app.
18:49:54 <lemonodor> i have it set to startup when i login.
18:50:09 <lemonodor> http://www.phil.uu.nl/~xges/ssh/
18:50:09 <Morbus> http://www.phil.uu.nl/~xges/ssh/ ?
18:50:11 <Morbus> heh
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18:59:15 <JibberJim> so How do I create a windows 2000 boot disk
18:59:18 <JibberJim> er CD
18:59:33 <JibberJim> it refuses to boot anything created with this CD burning software :-(
19:00:16 <thelsdj> you sure the cdrom can boot cds?
19:00:35 <thelsdj> which software?
19:02:09 <thelsdj> and what are you using for a boot disk?
19:02:19 <thelsdj> http://www.wwchosting.net/bootdisk/cdboot1.zip might work
19:02:41 <JibberJim> yes it can boot cds
19:02:51 <JibberJim> it just refuses on ones burnt with my software here
19:03:01 <thelsdj> what software?
19:03:06 <JibberJim> Record Now
19:03:22 <JibberJim> it cam with the thinkpad, it has an option to make it bootable, but it doesn't appear to actually work
19:03:57 <thelsdj> maybe try something like this? http://www.cdburnerxp.se/
19:05:05 <sbp> .gc torous
19:05:08 <phenny> torous: 57,200
19:05:19 <sbp> .ety torus
19:05:23 <phenny> Can't find the etymology for "torus". Try http://etymonline.com/?search=torus
19:07:31 <thelsdj> .gc torus
19:07:33 <phenny> torus: 5,700,000
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19:12:38 <jsled> Mu ha ha... 8 threads sucking down webpage training set data ... eth1 pegged at 76k/sec.
19:22:46 <thelsdj> haha stephen colbert suggest that president bartlet pardon the a-team
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19:26:06 <thelsdj> haha paraphrasing colbert 'fox news polls have a margin of error of plus or minus the facts'
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19:40:44 <aeonite> http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/05/12/MNG0AIQRPT1.DTL
19:43:23 <aeonite> http://www.cnn.com/2006/SHOWBIZ/books/05/10/badboy.books.ap/index.html
19:44:25 <jsled> Speaking of which, "The Omnivore's Dilemma" is very good
19:45:51 <nsh> .ety syncopation
19:45:54 <phenny> "1532, 'contraction of a word by omission of middle sounds,' from M.L. syncopationem (nom. syncopatio) 'a shortening or contraction,' from syncopare 'to shorten,' also 'to faint away, to swoon,' from L.L. syncope (see syncope)." - http://etymonline.com/?term=syncopation
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19:46:09 <nsh> .ety syncope
19:46:17 <phenny> "c.1400, from L.L. syncopen 'contraction of a word,' acc. of syncope, from Gk. synkope, 'contraction of a word,' originally 'a cutting off,' from synkoptein 'to cut up,' from syn- 'together, thoroughly' + koptein 'to cut.' In pathology, 'failure of the heart's action,' [...]" - http://etymonline.com/?term=syncope
19:46:21 <nsh> what does L.L. stand for?
19:46:40 <nsh> late latin?
19:48:27 <sbp> "L.L. Late Latin, the literary Latin language as spoken and written c.300-c.700." - http://www.etymonline.com/abbr.php
19:54:22 <sbp> .gc hoot
19:54:25 <phenny> hoot: 22,000,000
19:54:28 <sbp> .gc sprocket
19:54:31 <phenny> sprocket: 3,390,000
19:54:39 <thelsdj> .gc huute
19:54:42 <phenny> huute: 672
19:54:45 <thelsdj> there you go
19:54:57 <sbp> pretty clever
19:55:19 <sbp> .cp u with dia
19:55:21 <phenny> 00DC: LATIN CAPITAL LETTER U WITH DIAERESIS (Ü)
19:55:24 <phenny> 00FC: LATIN SMALL LETTER U WITH DIAERESIS (ü)
19:55:27 <phenny> 01D5: LATIN CAPITAL LETTER U WITH DIAERESIS AND MACRON (Ǖ) [...]
19:55:29 <sbp> hüte
19:55:35 <d8uv> http://www.poptranslator.com/
19:56:31 <nsh> .wik macron
19:56:39 <phenny> "A macron, from Gr. μακρός (makros) meaning 'large', is a diacritic ¯ placed over a vowel originally to indicate that the vowel is long." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macron
19:56:47 <nsh> ah
19:57:12 <deltab> pop translator? "The translation is: soda"
19:57:37 <sbp> heh, heh
19:57:49 <sbp> .gc cuckoo
19:57:51 <phenny> cuckoo: 11,900,000
19:57:55 <sbp> .gc cookoo
19:57:57 <phenny> cookoo: 135,000
19:57:59 <sbp> .gc coocoo
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19:58:01 <phenny> coocoo: 193,000
19:58:02 <sbp> .gc cucoo
19:58:05 <phenny> cucoo: 17,000
19:58:07 <sbp> .ety cuckoo
19:58:10 <nsh> .wik Champollion
19:58:15 <phenny> "c.1240, from O.Fr. cucu, echoic of the male bird's mating cry (cf. Gk. kokkyx, L. cuculus, Skt. kokilas)." - http://etymonline.com/?term=cuckoo
19:58:20 <sbp> Rosetta Stone dude
19:58:24 <nsh> yah
19:58:28 <phenny> "Jean-François Champollion (23 December 1790 – 4 March 1832) was a French classical scholar, philologist, orientalist, and Egyptologist." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Champollion
19:58:48 <nsh> reading:
19:58:51 <sbp> the cleaned Rosetta Stone is kinda bizarre
19:58:57 <nsh> .g Serendipities - Language and lunacy
19:58:59 <phenny> nsh: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0156007517?v=glance
19:59:03 <clsn> Yeah, they took out all the naughty bits...
19:59:07 <sbp> heh
19:59:27 <nsh> :-)
19:59:32 <sbp> .gc coco
19:59:34 <phenny> coco: 27,900,000
19:59:51 <nsh> .wik basso ostinato
19:59:55 <phenny> "In music, an ostinato (derived from Italian: 'stubborn', compare English: obstinate) is a motif or phrase which is repeated over and over again." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basso_ostinato
20:00:01 <sbp> .gc mewl
20:00:03 <phenny> mewl: 136,000
20:00:32 <nsh> hrmmm
20:00:32 <sbp> .gc lulla
20:00:34 <phenny> lulla: 854,000
20:01:05 <deltab> .gc Austin-Ato
20:01:08 <phenny> Austin-Ato: 1,020
20:01:25 <sbp> deltab! could you generate me a project name?
20:01:32 <thelsdj> .gc wiii
20:01:42 <sbp> think along the lines of Atom, Lua, Hyperion, etc.
20:01:44 <phenny> wiii: 465,000
20:01:48 <sbp> with as low a Googlecount as possible
20:01:49 <thelsdj> .gc wiiii
20:01:52 <phenny> wiiii: 144,000
20:01:57 <thelsdj> .gc wiiiii
20:02:00 <phenny> wiiiii: 66,400
20:02:04 <thelsdj> .gc wiiiiii
20:02:07 <phenny> wiiiiii: 52,900
20:02:13 <thelsdj> .gc wiiiiiii
20:02:16 <phenny> wiiiiiii: 101,000
20:02:19 <thelsdj> ha
20:02:23 <thelsdj> .gc wiiiiiiii
20:02:26 <phenny> wiiiiiiii: 26,200
20:02:29 <sbp> .gc wheeeeeeeeeee
20:02:31 <phenny> wheeeeeeeeeee: 43,400
20:02:34 <thelsdj> .gc wiiiiiiiii
20:02:34 <phenny> wiiiiiiiii: 37,000
20:02:40 <thelsdj> .gc wiiiiiiiiii
20:02:56 <phenny> wiiiiiiiiii: 56,700
20:02:58 <sbp> .gc pluvo
20:02:58 <phenny> pluvo: 73,300
20:03:03 <sbp> pluvo is nice
20:03:13 <deltab> sbp: no, but I can find you the word 'natant'
20:03:14 <clsn> pluvo is Esperanto for "rain"
20:03:24 <sbp> .w natant
20:03:25 <phenny> I couldn't find 'natant' in WordNet.
20:03:29 <clsn> Swimming?
20:03:33 <sbp> clsn: I know. actually I thought it was pluvego
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20:03:50 <sbp> and I derived pluvo from that, so perhaps I just sub-consciously remembered
20:03:56 <clsn> -eg is an augmentive suffix. pluvego is seriously major-league rain.
20:04:29 <sbp> ah, cool, thanks
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20:04:36 <sbp> and pluva is the adjective
20:05:00 <sbp> I have my Thesaurus open to 393. Rain, incidentally
20:05:07 <clsn> pluvi is the verb.
20:05:13 <sbp> and When The Levee Breaks is playing
20:05:27 <thelsdj> anyone know this symbol? http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/files/thumbs/t_sidewalk_artifact_134.jpg
20:05:28 <clsn> Used with no subject.
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20:05:37 <deltab> http://drlang.blogwaffe.com/2005/01/19/35/
20:05:46 <clsn> Looks more like a pi than anything.
20:06:13 <sbp> deltab: oh! natant! wow, awesome!
20:06:14 <sbp> thank you
20:06:27 <d8uv> sbp: http://www.mtv.co.uk/mtvuk/news/article.jhtml?articleId=75133142
20:07:12 <deltab> http://www.onelook.com/reverse-dictionary.shtml
20:07:15 <sbp> d8uv: uh... wow
20:07:33 <sbp> oh yeah, Onelook. damn I forgot about that
20:07:40 <sbp> I even have a bookmarklet keyword set up for it
20:07:59 <sbp> like -> http://onelook.com/?w=%3A%s&ls=a
20:08:52 <deltab> 'natant' was its third result for 'floating underwater', after 'buoy' and 'pondweed'
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20:09:28 <sbp> many thanks. that was really bugging me
20:09:31 <deltab> and it gives as one definition "Floating in water, as the leaves of water lilies, or submersed, as those of many aquatic plants."
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20:09:50 <sbp> I wanted to use it to describe my fish
20:09:55 <sbp> then I found that I was at a loss
20:09:57 <sbp> now, no longer!
20:10:23 <clsn> I guessed "swimming" above; pretty close.
20:10:38 <deltab> even if it doesn't mean exactly what you want, it sounds better than 'flooting'
20:10:50 <SethR> does anyone know of a schema for patterns of human behaviro ?
20:11:00 <sbp> yeah. really I want a gerundable verb
20:11:22 <sbp> but "they're natant" is more precise than "they're floating" (or flooting...)
20:11:35 <deltab> ot flouting
20:11:42 <sbp> and that was just a placeholder, a la Adams's floopy :-)
20:11:50 <sbp> heh, yeah
20:11:54 <sbp> flouting the water
20:12:18 <clsn> schema of patters of human behavior?
20:12:25 <clsn> Isn't that what they call "psychology"?
20:12:35 <deltab> yeah, that's what I thought
20:12:54 <sbp> .g psychological schema
20:12:54 <phenny> sbp: http://members.cox.net/xocxoc/philosophy/scheme3.htm
20:12:59 <sbp> .g psychology RDF
20:13:00 <phenny> sbp: http://www.hyphen.info/rdf/hero/13_groups_name.php
20:13:10 <sbp> .g psychology Semantic Web
20:13:10 <phenny> sbp: http://www.betaversion.org/~stefano/linotype/news/60/
20:14:01 <sbp> nothing there
20:14:05 <SethR> i'm not looking for a scema that analizes types of psychology
20:14:41 <SethR> rather one that names psychologocal states and the transitions between them
20:14:46 <sbp> (yo, by the way, Seth!)
20:14:57 <sbp> HumanML was doing that kind of stuff
20:15:03 <sbp> don't know what became of it
20:15:03 <SethR> eg: boordom
20:15:06 <sbp> .g HumanML
20:15:07 <phenny> sbp: http://www.humanmarkup.org/
20:15:22 <sbp> hmm, that site's gone
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20:15:29 <sbp> boordom: heh
20:15:31 <SethR> boordom -learn somethig new-> excitement
20:15:34 <sbp> .gc boordom
20:15:34 <phenny> boordom: 1,420
20:15:54 <deltab> I vaguely remember a book called 'Games People Play'
20:16:02 <sbp> see http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/tc_home.php?wg_abbrev=humanmarkup
20:16:12 <sbp> inactive for years though by the looks
20:17:21 <sbp> hmm: http://humanml.cim3.net/
20:17:31 <SethR> Games people play is certainly in this direction ... but is there not a RDF schema ?
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20:18:47 <clsn> woo, David Salo's "Gateway to Sindarin" arrived in mail today!
20:18:48 <sbp> SethR: again, I think the HumanML folk did some schemata along those lines
20:18:57 <sbp> but I can't find them, so you'll have to do the scouring yourself too
20:21:11 <deltab> onelook reverse has some interesting word sources
20:21:29 <deltab> http://phrontistery.info/e.html The Phrontistery - A Dictionary of Obscure Words
20:22:09 <thelsdj> .wik transduction
20:22:09 <SethR> thanks, sbp
20:22:14 <thelsdj> .wn transduction
20:22:17 <phenny> transduction 1. (genetics) the process of transfering genetic material from one cell to another by a plasmid or bacteriophage
20:22:18 <deltab> http://www.kokogiak.com/logolepsy/ow_e.html Luciferous Logolepsy: Dragging obscure words into the light of day
20:22:20 <phenny> transduction 2. the process whereby a transducer accepts energy in one form and gives back related energy in a different form
20:22:21 <phenny> "In biophysics, transduction is the conveyance of energy from one electron (a donor) to another (a receptor), at the same time that the class of energy changes." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transduction
20:22:36 <deltab> maybe useful as sources of names
20:23:18 <sbp> eagre for tidal bore: good start. nice word
20:23:51 <sbp> elydoric
20:23:52 <sbp> adj. - with both oil and water colors.
20:23:56 <sbp> this is a great list indeed
20:24:16 <sbp> also, looking into pluvo, there are two English cognates
20:24:25 <thelsdj> sbp: what is your shortlist looking like now?
20:24:27 <sbp> 1) plover, 2) pluvial
20:24:35 <sbp> it's looking like * pluvo at the moment
20:24:38 <sbp> I really like it :-)
20:25:00 <sbp> I still like emu, noctua, and toucan though
20:25:23 <thelsdj> taucan heh
20:25:31 <sbp> taucon?
20:25:37 <sbp> tauon is quite nice too
20:26:11 <thelsdj> i like noctau better than noctua, i just like tau
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20:27:48 <redmonk> how fast do you suppose the average person reads?
20:28:09 <thelsdj> who is this mythical average person of whom you speak?
20:28:09 <sbp> redmonk: faster than half of the population
20:28:19 <redmonk> no, that would be the media person
20:28:21 <redmonk> median
20:28:31 <sbp> median is an average
20:28:40 <sbp> modal can't mean anything here
20:28:44 <redmonk> i'm trying to figure out how many words make up about 20 min worth of reading
20:28:50 <sbp> so that leaves mean, eh?
20:28:52 <redmonk> media is not an average
20:29:00 <sbp> median is an average!
20:29:03 <sbp> .wik Median
20:29:05 <phenny> "In probability theory and statistics, a median is a number dividing the higher half of a sample, a population, or a probability distribution from the lower half." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Median
20:29:13 <sbp> .wik median average
20:29:14 <thelsdj> heh, japanese tongue twister: toukyou tokkyo kyoka kyoku, kyou kyuukyo kyoka kyakka "The Tokyo Patent Office today hurriedly refused permission."
20:29:19 <clsn> Average usually refers to the mean.
20:29:21 <sbp> woah
20:29:28 <sbp> .w median
20:29:36 <phenny> median 1. the value below which 50% of the cases fall
20:29:40 <phenny> median 2. relating to or constituting the middle value of an ordered set of values (or the average of the middle two in an even-numbered set)
20:29:44 <phenny> median 3. dividing an animal into right and left halves [...]
20:29:45 <redmonk> .w.average
20:29:54 <redmonk> .w average
20:29:57 <phenny> average 1. a statistic describing the location of a distribution
20:30:01 <phenny> average 2. amount to or come to an average, without loss or gain
20:30:04 <phenny> average 3. achieve or reach on average [...]
20:30:13 <phenny> Can't connect to en.wikipedia.org (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Median_average)
20:30:26 <redmonk> .calc (1+2+3+4)/4
20:30:29 <phenny> (1 + 2 + 3 + 4) / 4 = 2.5
20:30:54 <redmonk> but the median is 2
20:31:13 <redmonk> 2 items were above 2, and 2 items were below 2
20:31:37 <redmonk> .w mean
20:31:40 <phenny> mean 1. an average of n numbers computed by adding some function of the numbers and dividing by some function of n
20:31:43 <phenny> mean 2. mean or intend to express or convey
20:31:46 <phenny> mean 3. have as a logical consequence [...]
20:33:06 <sbp> [[[
20:33:08 <sbp> pluvarko: rainbow
20:33:08 <sbp> pluvegi: pour; rain cats and dogs
20:33:08 <sbp> pluvero: raindrop
20:33:11 <sbp> pluveti: drizzle; mizzle
20:33:11 <sbp> pluveto: drizzle; drizzling rain
20:33:11 <sbp> pluvi: rain
20:33:13 <sbp> pluvmantelo: raincoat
20:33:14 <sbp> pluvo: rain
20:33:17 <sbp> pluvombrelo: umbrella
20:33:19 <sbp> pluvsezono: rainy season
20:33:21 <sbp> ]]] - http://www.wordgumbo.com/ar/esp/erespeng.htm
20:33:41 <sbp> clsn: know the difference between -o and -i? I know -o is for nouns...
20:34:01 <sbp> ah, infinitive
20:34:02 <sbp> it's a verb
20:34:22 <redmonk> ah, excellent: "The average adult reading speed for English prose text in the United
20:34:25 <redmonk> States seems to be around 250 to 300 words per minute."
20:34:30 <redmonk> .calc 20*250
20:34:32 <phenny> 20 * 250 = 5 000
20:34:51 <sbp> .calc 20 * 275
20:34:54 <phenny> 20 * 275 = 5 500
20:36:56 <clsn> sbp: yeah, actually I was once pretty good with Esperanto.
20:37:00 <redmonk> OH GOD MY EYES: http://www.keller.com/
20:37:14 <clsn> -o is nouns, -i is infinitive verbs, -a is adjectives, -e is adverbs
20:37:26 <sbp> "Old English þridda became Modern English third through metathesis of -r- and -i." - http://www.etymonline.com/abbr.php
20:37:29 <sbp> clan: ah, thanks!
20:38:31 <clsn> conjugated verbs are -as -is -os -us... active participles in -anta -inta -onta, passive in -ata -ita -ota ... and so forth,
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20:48:18 <thelsdj> .cp bilabial
20:48:21 <phenny> 0298: LATIN LETTER BILABIAL CLICK (ʘ)
20:48:24 <phenny> 02AC: LATIN LETTER BILABIAL PERCUSSIVE (ʬ)
20:48:26 <thelsdj> .cp bidental
20:48:28 <phenny> 02AD: LATIN LETTER BIDENTAL PERCUSSIVE (ʭ)
20:48:43 <thelsdj> awsome, unicode has lip smacking and teeth gnashing
20:49:13 <redmonk> i find it odd that these are "latin" characters.
20:49:56 <redmonk> since i know of now latin lip-smacking other than italian food, and no latin teeth gnashing except at Eagles tours
20:55:28 <thelsdj> .cp ellipsis
20:55:30 <phenny> 0EAF: LAO ELLIPSIS (ຯ)
20:55:33 <phenny> 1801: MONGOLIAN ELLIPSIS (᠁)
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20:55:36 <phenny> 2026: HORIZONTAL ELLIPSIS (…) [...]
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