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00:17:55 <bjoern_> .calc 1.5 + 2.5 + 3.2
00:17:57 <phenny> 1.5 + 2.5 + 3.2 = 7.2
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00:21:08 <jcowan> Ittywhonk again!
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00:31:34 <aspect> uh-oh, it's the est-cycle
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00:35:50 <jcowan> He is est-ivating.
00:37:27 <thelsdj> hrm i wonder if latex supports unicode, reading this latex doc but no mention of unicode, the doc is probably pretty old though
00:37:50 <thelsdj> oh duh there it does mention unicode a little bit later
00:38:21 <jcowan> The question is whether the underlying TeX supports Unicode, and the answer is probably no.
00:40:06 <thelsdj> yea, its a package
00:40:07 <bjoern_> My latex supports utf-8 input and can render ö, that's clearly above average Unicode support.
00:40:08 <thelsdj> ucs
00:41:02 <thelsdj> i wonder if i'll ever write anything in latex, well even if i don't its nice to understand it a bit better
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00:52:17 <bjoern_> "Best Practical Solutions Announces SVK Acquisition - Total World Domination Plan Proceeding Apace / Every ticketing system sucks. Here at Best Practical, we're really proud of the fact that RT sucks less than everything else out there ..." -- http://use.perl.org/~jesse/journal/29812
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00:55:04 <aspect> wtf?
00:55:37 <aspect> acquisition? There was something to acquire in SVK?
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00:56:16 <crschmidt> aspect: sure. the developer :)
00:56:17 <bjoern_> well, they'll offer support, custom development, etc. for it just like they do for rt
00:56:34 <bjoern_> it's part of their product line, so to speak
00:56:52 <jsled> Well, "he", apparently.
00:57:03 <aspect> oh. that makes sense
00:57:10 <aspect> presumably there's also some integration plot
00:57:13 <kpreid> Hm. RT is the only software of its type that I've received *utterly useless* notification mail from.
00:57:36 <aspect> really?
00:57:49 <jsled> Also, I need to have a chinese-ish internet pseudonym like Cha-Ching Kao. Maybe he can be pro-capitalism or something.
00:57:53 <aspect> I've got utterly useless mail out of all sorts of helpdesk apps
00:58:09 <kpreid> I shall qutoe:
00:58:10 <bjoern_> <kpreid> I never used Bugzilla.
00:58:10 <bjoern_> <bjoern_> Wow!!1 I envy you.
00:58:17 <jsled> heh.
00:58:22 <aspect> and not got utterly useful mail. RT, back when I used it, seemed to be pretty damn good (unless you needed to customise it .. yucky yucky mod_perl)
00:58:46 <kpreid> [[[
00:58:47 <kpreid> Subject: [<site name> #<number>] Ticket Resolved
00:58:47 <kpreid> From: "... via RT" <...>
00:58:47 <kpreid> According to our records, your request has been resolved. If you have any
00:58:48 <kpreid> further questions or concerns, please respond to this message.
00:58:50 <kpreid> ]]]
00:59:07 <kpreid> note the complete lack of a ticket name, URL, quoted text, ...
00:59:07 <aspect> hahahaha. Bugzilla is shocking, but it's miles better than the exchange-forms-based solution they use at work
00:59:34 <aspect> (see apparently "bug tracking" and "helpdesk ticket tracking" sre two completely different things)
00:59:55 <bjoern_> kpreid, yeah, I got sth like that the other day aswell... but with proper subject, ticket url, and such
01:00:02 <kpreid> from RT?
01:00:32 <bjoern_> [[[
01:00:32 <bjoern_> To: ...
01:00:32 <bjoern_> Subject: [rt.cpan.org #19476] Resolved: s/substract/subtract/
01:00:32 <bjoern_> From: "Ulrich_Pfeifer via RT" ...
01:00:32 <bjoern_> Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 14:51:44 -0400 (EDT)
01:00:32 <bjoern_> <URL: http://rt.cpan.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=19476 >
01:00:34 <bjoern_> According to our records, your request has been resolved. If you have any further questions or concerns, please respond to this message.
01:00:37 <bjoern_> ]]]
01:00:47 <kpreid> now *that* is good
01:00:50 <kpreid> (relatively)
01:01:03 <kpreid> I'll have to bug the site admin about that. :)
01:01:07 <kpreid> loggy: pointer?
01:01:07 <loggy> http://swhack.com/logs/2006-06-06#T01-01-07
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01:05:08 <bjoern_> "Artistic License 2.0 RC1" -- http://use.perl.org/news/06/06/02/0754250.shtml
01:09:09 <bjoern_> .calc 14563 KB/s over 1 hour 15 minutes in GB
01:09:12 <phenny> bjoern_: Sorry, no result.
01:09:13 <jcowan> Ooh, interesting.
01:09:35 <jcowan> Maybe this one will actually make sense.
01:09:40 <bjoern_> .calc (14563 KB/s over (1.25 hours)) in GB
01:09:43 <phenny> bjoern_: Sorry, no result.
01:09:48 <bjoern_> hmm
01:10:50 <kpreid> bjoern_: would you happen to know where to find out where to configure RT to do that?
01:13:54 <bjoern_> include the ticket url in the message above? not really, I'd grab the source, search for the strings, and then fix it, if it really doesn't do that by default.
01:14:39 <kpreid> OK.
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01:28:40 <bjoern_> .calc (14563 KB/s times (1.25 hours)) in GB
01:28:42 <phenny> 14 563 (KB / s) times (1.25 hours) = 62.4976158 gigabytes
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01:38:47 <vIkSiT> very nice
01:38:57 <vIkSiT> whats phenny using as the backend for that?
01:39:14 <thelsdj> google
01:39:27 <vIkSiT> really?
01:39:30 <vIkSiT> that works on google
01:39:31 <vIkSiT> ?
01:39:33 <thelsdj> yea
01:39:35 <thelsdj> go type it in :)
01:39:46 <thelsdj> .calc c to the power of e
01:39:47 <vIkSiT> hehehe nice
01:39:50 <phenny> thelsdj: Sorry, no result.
01:39:53 <thelsdj> hrm
01:40:08 <vIkSiT> very interesting. conversion of units on the fly - marevellous
01:40:10 <thelsdj> .calc 1 * c to the power of e
01:40:10 <jcowan> .calc e^pi*i
01:40:12 <vIkSiT> marvellous*
01:40:12 <phenny> (e^pi) * i = 23.1406926 i
01:40:15 <phenny> thelsdj: Sorry, no result.
01:40:28 <thelsdj> .calc e^(pi*i)
01:40:31 <phenny> e^(pi * i) = -1
01:42:19 <bjoern_> .calc phi times e over pi
01:42:22 <phenny> (the golden ratio times e) over pi = 1.40001358
01:43:51 <thelsdj> .calc e^(ln 1)
01:43:54 <phenny> e^ln(1) = 1
01:44:13 <aspect> .calc 100!
01:44:15 <phenny> 100 ! = 9.33262154e157
01:44:27 <thelsdj> i wonder how long it will be before google can do algebra
01:44:31 <aspect> .calc ack(4,2)
01:44:34 <phenny> aspect: Sorry, no result.
01:44:44 <clsn> .calc i^i
01:44:47 <phenny> i^i = 0.207879576
01:45:09 <jcowan> Google would have to be insane to implement ack, unless they constrain the arguments to be *very* small.
01:45:11 <thelsdj> .calc sqrt -1
01:45:12 <phenny> sqrt(-1) = i
01:45:16 <thelsdj> .calc sqrt i
01:45:16 <phenny> sqrt(i) = 0.707106781 + 0.707106781 i
01:45:26 <thelsdj> .calc sqrt sqrt i
01:45:27 <phenny> sqrt(sqrt(i)) = 0.923879533 + 0.382683432 i
01:45:30 <jcowan> .calc e^(pi*i)
01:45:31 <phenny> e^(pi * i) = -1
01:45:35 <jcowan> Excellent!
01:45:44 <thelsdj> yea we convered that one earlier :)
01:45:50 <thelsdj> its more pretty like this tho:
01:45:59 <thelsdj> .calc e^(pi * i) + 1
01:45:59 <phenny> (e^(pi * i)) + 1 = 0
01:46:46 <aspect> .calc hbar
01:46:46 <phenny> hbar = 1.05457148e-34 m2 kg / s
01:47:06 <thelsdj> .calc sqrt e^(pi * i)
01:47:07 <phenny> sqrt(e)^(pi * i) = i
01:47:13 <aspect> .calc omega
01:47:13 <phenny> aspect: Sorry, no result.
01:47:16 <aspect> good
01:47:35 <thelsdj> .calc c in lightyears per femtometer
01:47:36 <phenny> thelsdj: Sorry, no result.
01:47:48 <thelsdj> .calc speed of light in lightyears per femtometer
01:47:48 <phenny> thelsdj: Sorry, no result.
01:47:54 <thelsdj> bah it used to be able to do it
01:48:08 <bjoern_> .calc 1 femtometer
01:48:08 <aspect> .calc 42cm in femtometers
01:48:08 <phenny> bjoern_: Sorry, no result.
01:48:08 <phenny> 42 centimeters = 4.2e14 femtometers
01:48:19 <bjoern_> .calc 1
01:48:19 <phenny> bjoern_: Sorry, no result.
01:48:22 <aspect> plural?
01:48:30 <bjoern_> probably
01:48:31 <thelsdj> .calc c in femtometers per lightyear
01:48:33 <phenny> thelsdj: Sorry, no result.
01:48:36 <aspect> .calc 100m in furlongs
01:48:36 <phenny> 100 meters = 0.497096954 furlongs
01:48:40 <thelsdj> .calc c in femtometers per light year
01:48:41 <phenny> thelsdj: Sorry, no result.
01:48:47 <aspect> .calc c in furlongs per fortnight
01:48:47 <phenny> the speed of light = 1.8026175e12 furlongs per fortnight
01:48:50 <aspect> woo!
01:48:58 <bjoern_> .calc 1 femtometers + 1 femtometers
01:48:58 <phenny> (1 femtometers) + (1 femtometers) = 2.0e-15 meters
01:49:03 <thelsdj> der
01:49:15 <thelsdj> .calc c in femtometers per millenium
01:49:16 <phenny> the speed of light = 9.4605284e33 femtometers per millenium
01:49:25 <clsn> .calc c in furlongs per fortnight
01:49:26 <phenny> the speed of light = 1.8026175e12 furlongs per fortnight
01:49:30 <thelsdj> the game is try to get the largest (or smallest) exponent
01:49:34 <aspect> .calc 1/c in femtometers per weekend
01:49:35 <thelsdj> only using units
01:49:37 <phenny> aspect: Sorry, no result.
01:49:58 <clsn> .calc 1/c in minutes per foot
01:50:00 <phenny> 1 / the speed of light = 1.6945056e-11 minutes per foot
01:50:19 <clsn> .calc 1 ell in inches
01:50:21 <phenny> clsn: Sorry, no result.
01:50:25 <clsn> tut tut.
01:50:27 <aspect> .calc 1 chain in rods
01:50:30 <phenny> aspect: Sorry, no result.
01:50:42 <aspect> .calc 16.5 feet in chains
01:50:45 <phenny> aspect: Sorry, no result.
01:50:59 * clsn did some obssessing on units of measurement back in high school. I still remember many of these.
01:51:01 <aspect> .calc 1 mile in handspans
01:51:04 <phenny> aspect: Sorry, no result.
01:51:08 <clsn> .calc 1 mile in furlongs
01:51:11 <phenny> 1 mile = 8 furlongs
01:51:14 <clsn> .calc 1 mile in chains
01:51:16 <jcowan> .calc c in nanometers / year
01:51:17 <phenny> clsn: Sorry, no result.
01:51:19 <phenny> the speed of light = 9.4605284e24 nanometers / year
01:51:25 <clsn> OK, doesn't know what a chain is.
01:51:36 <jcowan> .calc c^2 in miles/hour
01:51:38 <phenny> jcowan: Sorry, no result.
01:51:42 <aspect> .calc hbar in hectare tonne / gram
01:51:43 <phenny> aspect: Sorry, no result.
01:51:46 <jcowan> No backward chaining.
01:51:46 <clsn> chain is 66 ft, I think; a link is 7.92 in?
01:51:53 <thelsdj> anyone going to go after my challenge? 33 is largest exponent so far
01:52:07 <aspect> .calc hbar in hectare tons per gram
01:52:07 <phenny> aspect: Sorry, no result.
01:52:19 <clsn> .calc g in ft per second^2
01:52:19 <phenny> 1 g = 32.1740486 feet per (second^2)
01:52:31 <clsn> .calc g in inches per day^2
01:52:32 <phenny> 1 g = 2.88213583e12 inches per (day^2)
01:52:49 <aspect> .calc hbar times 1 year
01:52:49 <phenny> hbar times 1 year = 3.3279034e-27 m2 kg
01:53:13 <clsn> .calc G
01:53:14 <phenny> gravitational constant = 6.67300e-11 m3 kg-1 s-2
01:53:39 <jcowan> .calc G^2
01:53:41 <aspect> .calc G times hbar times C
01:53:42 <phenny> gravitational constant^2 = 4.4528929e-21 m6 kg-2 s-4
01:53:44 <phenny> gravitational constant times hbar times coulomb = 7.03715546e-45 m5 A / s2
01:53:47 <clsn> .calc G in ft3 lb-1 s-2
01:53:51 <phenny> clsn: Sorry, no result.
01:54:01 <jcowan> .g Skewes' number
01:54:04 <phenny> jcowan: http://mathworld.wolfram.com/SkewesNumber.html
01:54:09 <aspect> .calc mass of the moon
01:54:12 <phenny> mass of the Moon = 7.36e22 kilograms
01:54:14 <clsn> .calc G in ft^3 per lb per s^2
01:54:17 <phenny> clsn: Sorry, no result.
01:54:28 <clsn> .calc 1 slug in pounds
01:54:29 <aspect> .calc molar mass of the moon
01:54:31 <phenny> 1 slug = 32.1740486 pounds
01:54:33 <thelsdj> .calc mass of the moon in milligrams
01:54:33 <phenny> aspect: Sorry, no result.
01:54:36 <phenny> mass of the Moon = 7.36e28 milligrams
01:54:45 <bjoern_> .calc mass of europa
01:54:47 <phenny> bjoern_: Sorry, no result.
01:54:50 <aspect> .calc avogadro's constant
01:54:52 <phenny> Avogadro's Constant = 6.0221415e23 mol-1
01:55:01 <jcowan> .calc c in nm/millennium
01:55:03 <phenny> the speed of light = 9.4605284e27 nanometers / millennium
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01:55:21 <aspect> .calc mass of the moon / specific density of water
01:55:23 <phenny> aspect: Sorry, no result.
01:55:29 <jcowan> .calc 1 harpometer
01:55:31 <phenny> jcowan: Sorry, no result.
01:55:34 <aspect> haha
01:55:56 <thelsdj> .calc c in femtometers per galactic year
01:55:59 <phenny> thelsdj: Sorry, no result.
01:56:01 <clsn> .calc 1 poundal in kg
01:56:04 <phenny> clsn: Sorry, no result.
01:56:06 <aspect> .calc the moon in grams
01:56:07 <clsn> .calc 1 poundal in N
01:56:08 <phenny> aspect: Sorry, no result.
01:56:10 <phenny> clsn: Sorry, no result.
01:56:19 <bjoern_> .calc mp3s per ipod
01:56:22 <clsn> (I don't remember what poundals measure anyway)
01:56:22 <phenny> bjoern_: Sorry, no result.
01:56:35 <aspect> .g poundal
01:56:38 <phenny> aspect: http://www.sizes.com/units/poundal.htm
01:56:41 <jcowan> .calc 1 yoctomole
01:56:45 <phenny> jcowan: Sorry, no result.
01:57:54 <jcowan> [[[
01:57:55 <jcowan> hacker Morgan Burke has proposed, to general approval on Usenet, the following additional prefixes:
01:57:55 <jcowan> groucho 10^-30
01:57:55 <jcowan> harpo 10^-27
01:57:55 <jcowan> harpi 10^27
01:57:55 <jcowan> grouchi 10^30
01:57:57 <jcowan> ]]]
01:57:57 * aspect can't remember how to sensibly use Avogadro's constant in an equation. The unit isn't helping.
01:58:13 <bjoern_> Approval on Usenet!
01:58:48 <jcowan> That was from 1993, bjoern_.
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01:59:21 <bjoern_> .calc mass of the earth in binary
01:59:23 <phenny> bjoern_: Sorry, no result.
01:59:32 <thelsdj> .calc mass of the moon in binary
01:59:33 <phenny> thelsdj: Sorry, no result.
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01:59:44 <thelsdj> .calc mass of the moon
01:59:45 <phenny> mass of the Moon = 7.36e22 kilograms
01:59:47 <jcowan> .calc 23 hex
01:59:47 <phenny> jcowan: Sorry, no result.
01:59:53 <jcowan> .calc 23 in hexadecimal
01:59:54 <phenny> 23 = 0x17
01:59:55 <aspect> what about Chico and Beppo?
01:59:57 <thelsdj> .calc 132 in binary
01:59:58 <phenny> 132 = 0b10000100
02:00:04 <jcowan> Zeppo.
02:00:10 <aspect> err that
02:00:14 <bjoern_> .calc 7.36e22 in binary
02:00:16 <jcowan> Those prefixes are reserved for future expansion.
02:00:17 <phenny> bjoern_: Sorry, no result.
02:00:19 <jcowan> Also Gummo.
02:00:21 <aspect> .calc mass of the sun in grams
02:00:23 <phenny> mass of the sun = 1.98892e33 grams
02:00:27 <aspect> .calc mass of the sun in grams in binary
02:00:28 <phenny> aspect: Sorry, no result.
02:00:37 <thelsdj> .calc mass of the sun in femtograms
02:00:37 <phenny> mass of the sun = 1.98892e48 femtograms
02:00:39 <clsn> .calc yo mama.
02:00:40 <phenny> clsn: Sorry, no result.
02:00:42 <aspect> .calc mass of the sun / 1 gram
02:00:42 <phenny> mass of the sun / (1 gram) = 1.98892e33
02:00:44 <thelsdj> there we go, new record
02:00:45 <aspect> .calc mass of the sun / 1 gram in binary
02:00:46 <phenny> aspect: Sorry, no result.
02:00:46 <thelsdj> 48
02:00:51 <bjoern_> .calc mass of mars over mass of the sun
02:00:51 <phenny> mass of Mars over mass of the sun = 3.22742996e-7
02:01:09 <clsn> .calc mass of the solar system
02:01:10 <phenny> clsn: Sorry, no result.
02:01:13 <clsn> owell.
02:01:25 <thelsdj> .calc mass of the milky way
02:01:28 <phenny> thelsdj: Sorry, no result.
02:01:35 <aspect> .calc mass of hydrogen
02:01:38 <phenny> aspect: Sorry, no result.
02:01:42 <aspect> .calc atomic mass of hydrogen
02:01:45 <phenny> aspect: Sorry, no result.
02:02:05 <bjoern_> .calc protons in a fermium
02:02:07 <phenny> bjoern_: Sorry, no result.
02:02:19 <aspect> .calc radius of hydrogen atom
02:02:21 <phenny> aspect: Sorry, no result.
02:02:41 <crschmidt> .calc mass of earth
02:02:44 <phenny> mass of Earth = 5.9742e24 kilograms
02:02:48 <clsn> .calc 1 barn in acres
02:02:50 <phenny> 1 barn = 2.47105381e-32 acres
02:03:09 <clsn> .calc 1 barn in angstrom^2
02:03:12 <aspect> .calc 1 perch
02:03:12 <phenny> 1 barn = 1.0e-8 angstrom^2
02:03:14 <phenny> aspect: Sorry, no result.
02:03:20 <jcowan> Chip design is done in nanoacres.
02:03:23 <thelsdj> .calc 1 barn
02:03:26 <phenny> thelsdj: Sorry, no result.
02:03:41 <clsn> .calc 1 nanoacre in barns
02:03:41 <aspect> .calc 1 barn in barns
02:03:43 <phenny> 1 barn = 1 barns
02:03:44 <phenny> clsn: Sorry, no result.
02:03:49 <aspect> .calc 1 barn in perches
02:03:50 <phenny> aspect: Sorry, no result.
02:03:50 <clsn> .calc 1 nanoacre in m^2
02:03:51 <phenny> clsn: Sorry, no result.
02:04:04 <clsn> .calc 1 millifoot in cm
02:04:05 <phenny> clsn: Sorry, no result.
02:04:09 <clsn> hrumph.
02:04:09 <aspect> .calc distaince to sun
02:04:10 <phenny> aspect: Sorry, no result.
02:04:14 <aspect> .calc distance to sun
02:04:15 <phenny> aspect: Sorry, no result.
02:04:17 <clsn> .calc .001 foot in cm
02:04:17 <phenny> .001 foot = 0.03048 centimeters
02:04:33 <bjoern_> .calc 1 lightyear in kilofeet
02:04:34 <phenny> bjoern_: Sorry, no result.
02:04:45 <clsn> .calc 1/1000000000 acre in m^2
02:04:45 <phenny> (1/1 000 000 000) acre = 4.04685642e-6 meters^2
02:04:52 <clsn> .calc 1/1000000000 acre in barns
02:04:52 <phenny> (1/1 000 000 000) acre = 4.04685642e22 barns
02:05:00 <jcowan> It doesn't seem to be able to handle metric prefixes on FFMMS units.
02:05:11 <bjoern_> how odd!
02:05:11 <clsn> .calc 1 megaday in hours
02:05:12 <phenny> clsn: Sorry, no result.
02:05:19 <clsn> It's sort of reasonable I guess.
02:05:20 <thelsdj> .calc 1 barn in light years ^ 2
02:05:20 <phenny> 1 barn = 1.11729849e-60 light years^2
02:05:24 <thelsdj> 60!!
02:05:26 <thelsdj> beat that
02:05:31 <aspect> barns are extremely small
02:05:34 <bjoern_> .calc 1 megapixel in square pixels
02:05:34 <phenny> bjoern_: Sorry, no result.
02:05:35 <clsn> .calc 1 megasecond in centuries
02:05:38 <phenny> 1 megasecond = 0.000316887646 centuries
02:05:53 <clsn> .calc pi gigaseconds in centuries
02:05:56 <phenny> pi gigaseconds = 0.995531902 centuries
02:06:00 <jcowan> Probably because it doesn't analyze words.
02:06:04 <thelsdj> wow pretty close
02:06:08 <clsn> It has been noted that pi seconds is very close to one nanocentury.
02:06:10 <jcowan> Yes.
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02:06:49 <clsn> .calc c times 1 nanosecond in ft
02:06:52 <phenny> the speed of light times 1 nanosecond = 0.983571056 feet
02:07:04 <clsn> A light-nanosecond is quite close to 1ft.
02:07:34 <jsled> .calc 50 * 0.9836
02:07:37 <phenny> 50 * 0.9836 = 49.18
02:07:42 <bjoern_> .calc 1 kilo feet + 1 kilo feet
02:07:44 <phenny> (1 (kilogram feet)) + (1 (kilogram feet)) = 0.6096 m kg
02:07:45 <jsled> 49 ft of wire = 50ns delay
02:07:56 <clsn> jsled: Ayup.
02:08:42 <clsn> With today's computers, with times measured in ns, just a few feet of extra wire or trace makes a difference. The clock isn't on the same tick in all parts of the machine.
02:08:44 <aspect> .calc 1 GHz in cycles per fortnight
02:08:46 <phenny> aspect: Sorry, no result.
02:09:08 <clsn> .calc 1GHz in 1/fortnight
02:09:11 <phenny> clsn: Sorry, no result.
02:09:14 <clsn> argh.
02:09:20 <thelsdj> .calc 1 gigahertz in hertz per fortnight
02:09:23 <phenny> thelsdj: Sorry, no result.
02:09:27 <clsn> .calc 1 farad
02:09:30 <phenny> clsn: Sorry, no result.
02:09:37 <clsn> wha? Doesn't know farads?
02:09:44 <bjoern_> @translate german to english Fahrrad
02:09:46 <supybot> bjoern_: Bicycle
02:09:47 <thelsdj> .calc 1 farad in farads
02:09:49 <phenny> 1 farad = 1 farads
02:09:53 <thelsdj> yes it does
02:09:55 <aspect> .calc 1 hertz * 2 pectominutes
02:09:55 <clsn> I suppose that's fair.
02:09:56 <thelsdj> you have to do something with it
02:09:57 <phenny> aspect: Sorry, no result.
02:10:15 <clsn> .calc 1 bloojlglm in bloojlglms
02:10:17 <phenny> clsn: Sorry, no result.
02:10:31 <aspect> .calc 23 hz times 4 days
02:10:33 <clsn> Huh. You don't need to know about bloojlglms to get that one right.
02:10:34 <phenny> (23 hertz) times 4 days = 7 948 800
02:11:12 <clsn> .calc 100 years in days
02:11:12 <phenny> 100 years = 36 524.2199 days
02:11:20 <thelsdj> .calc 1 hertz in millenia
02:11:21 <phenny> thelsdj: Sorry, no result.
02:11:31 <bjoern_> .calc mass of earth over math of moon over phi
02:11:31 <phenny> bjoern_: Sorry, no result.
02:11:39 <jcowan> .calc 1 hertz in millennia
02:11:39 <phenny> jcowan: Sorry, no result.
02:11:41 <clsn> .calc 1 inch in points
02:11:41 <bjoern_> .calc mass of the earth over mass of the moon over phi
02:11:41 <phenny> 1 inch = 72 PostScript points
02:11:41 <phenny> (mass of Earth over mass of the Moon) over the golden ratio = 50.1665578
02:11:42 <aspect> .calc C / 1 mm in hz
02:11:43 <phenny> aspect: Sorry, no result.
02:11:48 <aspect> .calc C / 1 mm
02:11:49 <phenny> 1 coulomb / (1 millimeter) = 1 000 s A / m
02:11:52 <clsn> .calc 1 inch in printer's points
02:11:53 <phenny> clsn: Sorry, no result.
02:11:58 <aspect> .calc c / 1 mm
02:12:00 <phenny> the speed of light / (1 millimeter) = 299 792 458 000 hertz
02:12:10 <clsn> .calc 1 inch in cicero
02:12:12 <phenny> 1 inch = 5.62984854 Cicero
02:12:19 <clsn> .calc 1 inch in didot
02:12:22 <phenny> clsn: Sorry, no result.
02:12:30 <clsn> .calc 1 inch in picas
02:12:33 <phenny> 1 inch = 6 PostScript picas
02:12:42 <aspect> .calc 1 angstrom / 23
02:12:45 <phenny> (1 angstrom) / 23 = 4.34782609e-12 meters
02:14:14 <aspect> .calc c in angstroms per millenium
02:14:16 <phenny> the speed of light = 9.4605284e28 angstroms per millenium
02:15:18 <bjoern_> .calc c in angstroms per month
02:15:20 <phenny> the speed of light = 7.88377367e24 angstroms per month
02:15:23 <aspect> angstra?
02:15:56 <clsn> No, angstroms. It's a man's name.
02:16:15 <clsn> .calc energy output of the sun per second
02:16:17 <phenny> clsn: Sorry, no result.
02:16:26 <clsn> yeah, I had a feeling it wouldn't get that one.
02:16:34 <bjoern_> Angst is fear and Ra is some guy from egypt...
02:17:33 <aspect> .calc G in light years per microsecond^2
02:17:36 <phenny> aspect: Sorry, no result.
02:17:45 <aspect> .calc G
02:17:47 <phenny> gravitational constant = 6.67300e-11 m3 kg-1 s-2
02:17:51 <clsn> Of course it's Ångstrom (or Ångström?)... but I for one still pronounce it æŋstrom or something. To the dismay of any Netherlanders, I assume.
02:17:55 <bjoern_> .calc inf/0
02:17:57 <phenny> bjoern_: Sorry, no result.
02:18:12 <bjoern_> .wik Angstrom
02:18:15 <phenny> "An angstrom, angström, or ångström (symbol Å) is a unit of length." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angstrom
02:18:23 <aspect> erk, me and my silly units
02:18:35 <clsn> Yeah, Ångström, with both accents.
02:18:43 <clsn> (which probably not everyone can see)
02:18:52 * crschmidt can!
02:19:02 <aspect> I see symbols but I know what's meant to be there :)
02:19:04 * jcowan can too!
02:19:13 * jsled too!
02:19:14 <thelsdj> .calc g / 1 m3 / 1 kg
02:19:16 <clsn> מזל טוב!
02:19:17 <phenny> thelsdj: Sorry, no result.
02:19:22 <kpreid> clsn, you'be ben canned
02:19:24 <jcowan> Why Netherlanders?
02:19:40 <kpreid> errr, "you've been"
02:19:43 <aspect> .calc g / 1m^3
02:19:45 <phenny> 1 gram / (1 (meter^3)) = 0.001 kg / m3
02:19:49 <clsn> Is that where Ångström is from? One of those nordic countries...
02:20:04 * jcowan bends clsn till he snaps.
02:20:21 * clsn knew a guy from Norway named Onar Åm. What a great name.
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02:23:06 <thelsdj> ok i've got mine beat huge now
02:23:07 <aspect> .calc G in angstrom^3 (mass of moon)^-1 millenium^2
02:23:10 <phenny> aspect: Sorry, no result.
02:23:11 <thelsdj> .calc G / light year ^ 3 / femtometer^-1 / femtogram^-2
02:23:14 <phenny> ((G / (light year^3)) / (femtometer^-1)) / (femtogram^-2) = 7.88088414e-110 newtons
02:23:17 <thelsdj> beat 110!
02:23:18 <jcowan> Cool!
02:23:32 <thelsdj> .calc G in newtons
02:23:34 <aspect> ooh nice
02:23:35 <phenny> thelsdj: Sorry, no result.
02:23:38 <thelsdj> bah
02:24:06 <jcowan> Anyone have access to ISO 8601 itself, preferably as bits?
02:24:21 <bjoern_> .wik ISO 8601
02:24:23 <phenny> "ISO 8601, 'Data elements and interchange formats – Information interchange – Representation of dates and times' is an international standard for date and time representations." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_8601
02:24:33 <thelsdj> .calc G / parsec ^ 3 / femtometer^-1 / femtogram^-2
02:24:36 <phenny> ((G / (Parsec^3)) / (femtometer^-1)) / (femtogram^-2) = 2.2712679e-111 newtons
02:24:41 <thelsdj> a little larger
02:24:44 <jcowan> It's what tells you to write 2006-06-05T22:04:00
02:24:44 <thelsdj> or smaller i should say
02:25:15 <thelsdj> .calc G / femtometer ^ 3 / femtometer^-1 / femtogram^-2
02:25:17 <phenny> ((G / (femtometer^3)) / (femtometer^-1)) / (femtogram^-2) = 6.67300e-17 newtons
02:26:19 <bjoern_> there is http://dmoz.org/Bookmarks/G/g1smd/Links_to_PDF_Copies_of_ISO_8601_Standard/
02:26:32 <thelsdj> .calc G / red shift ^ 3 / femtometer^-1 / femtogram^-2
02:26:35 <phenny> thelsdj: Sorry, no result.
02:26:54 <thelsdj> darn
02:27:13 <jsled> An idea for a low-impact document revision control system:
02:27:44 <jsled> 1/ Users read-write into DAV, CIFS, &c; the backing for this store is performing deltas on each write.
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02:28:08 <aspect> .calc hbar in (angstrom)^2 mg / fortnight
02:28:10 <phenny> hbar = 0.0127560966 (angstrom^2) (mg / fortnight)
02:28:16 <jsled> 2/ After some {threshold amount of change, time since last save}, the user is IM-prompted for disposition toward the saves.
02:28:49 <aspect> err wrong direction. Even so I'm only at about E-60
02:28:55 <jsled> 3/ An actual revision-delta is made from the individual saves based on the feedback from the user.
02:29:22 <jsled> that's all.
02:30:34 <jcowan> I think revision deltas are now the least important part of a revision-control system.
02:30:45 <jcowan> Disk is now so cheap that keeping everything in full really doesn't cost all that much.
02:31:02 <jsled> Ah, true. That is an optimization.
02:31:04 <jcowan> The first issue is whether to be version-oriented or change-oriented.
02:31:16 <jsled> I think the important bit is getting the semantics of the change through interaction.
02:31:37 <jcowan> That's true.
02:31:50 * jcowan is still trying to boil down Palimpsest sufficiently to explain it in a few blog articles
02:32:00 <jcowan> because it is brilliant on how to deal with interacting changes.
02:32:14 <jcowan> There are four primitive change types: insert, delete, dynamic-move, and dynamic-copy.
02:32:31 <jcowan> And a new addressing scheme, and a whole set of rules for how to merge apparently conflicting changes.
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02:44:36 <jsled> heh. http://ldopa.net/2006/06/04/cory-doctorow-visits-a-radio-shack/
02:47:58 * jcowan belly laughs.
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03:00:37 <thelsdj> that is awsome
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03:21:31 <bjoern_> .rate The Black Mages
03:21:37 <phenny> "The Black Mages": 100.0% (2 rocks; 0 rules; 0 sucks; 0 blows)
03:21:55 <bjoern_> phenny, help
03:21:57 <phenny> Hi, I'm phenny (http://inamidst.com/phenny/)
03:22:00 <phenny> Commands: beats, charinfo, codepoint, compare, email, gimage, google, googlecalc, googlecount, httphead, kalusa, map, myersbriggs, podecoint, rate, rates, remind, representation, seen, swhackorigin, swhacktail, tavtime, thesaurus, time, translate, validate, wordnet
03:22:04 <phenny> Try "phenny: help command?" if stuck. My owner is sbp.
03:22:07 <bjoern_> .rates The Black Mages
03:22:13 <phenny> "The Black Mages": 97.78% (42 rock; 2 rule; 1 suck; 0 blow)
03:22:44 <jcowan> .tavtime
03:22:46 <phenny> 2622.16.6.3.56
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03:29:09 <bjoern_> .calc 20% of 100
03:29:11 <phenny> 20% of 100 = 20
03:29:37 <bjoern_> .calc (20% of 261 MB)
03:29:39 <phenny> 20% of (261 megabytes) = 52.2 megabytes
03:30:20 <bjoern_> .calc (25% of 261 MB)
03:30:22 <phenny> 25% of (261 megabytes) = 65.25 megabytes
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03:36:33 <jetscreamer> ooo
03:37:21 <jetscreamer> what' sthe diff twixt rate and rates
03:37:34 <bjoern_> ratesingular rateplural
03:37:42 <bjoern_> rocks rock rules rule ...
03:37:42 <jetscreamer> aha
03:37:52 <thelsdj> for things like
03:37:55 <thelsdj> .rates blondes
03:38:02 <phenny> "blondes": 29.49% (15,600 rock; 9,290 rule; 28,100 suck; 31,400 blow)
03:38:06 <bjoern_> .swhack .rates blondes
03:38:22 <jetscreamer> .help tavtime
03:38:35 <phenny> bjoern_: http://swhack.com/logs/2006-05-26#T21-41-25
03:38:44 <jetscreamer> phenny: help tavtime
03:38:46 <phenny> '.tavtime - Return the current tavtime, possibly with yi.'
03:39:06 <thelsdj> i need some good yi
03:39:17 <jcowan> Many Yi are to be found on the Cool Mountain.
03:40:13 <jetscreamer> lol, but no help: http://www.google.com/search?q=tavtime
03:40:25 <d8uv> Any Ubuntu fancy lads out there?
03:41:04 <thelsdj> [[[
03:41:05 <jetscreamer> self.msg(origin.sender, tavtime()) f_tavtime.rule = (['tavtime'], None) # d8uv d8uv d8uv d8uv d8uv d8uv d8uv # d8uv d8uv d8uv d8uv d8uv d8uv d8uv # d8uv ...
03:41:06 <thelsdj> # d8uv d8uv d8uv d8uv d8uv d8uv d8uv
03:41:06 <thelsdj> # d8uv d8uv d8uv d8uv d8uv d8uv d8uv
03:41:06 <thelsdj> # d8uv d8uv d8uv d8uv d8uv d8uv d8uv
03:41:08 <thelsdj> # d8uv d8uv d8uv d8uv d8uv d8uv d8uv
03:41:11 <thelsdj> # d8uv d8uv d8uv d8uv d8uv d8uv d8uv
03:41:20 <thelsdj> ]]] -- http://www.google.com/search?q=tavtime
03:41:29 <jetscreamer> jinx
03:41:32 <thelsdj> heh
03:41:38 <bjoern_> I never got this dist / gnome/kde / window manager / ... stuff straight. ETOOMANYOPTIONS.
03:42:05 <jetscreamer> debian is like uberubuntu
03:42:10 <jetscreamer> :p
03:42:29 <thelsdj> d8uv: ubuntu pwns joo
03:42:35 <bjoern_> .gc kunterbunt
03:42:37 <phenny> kunterbunt: 1,510,000
03:42:37 <d8uv> Yeah only I blow at Linux
03:42:40 <bjoern_> .gc kunterbuntu
03:42:42 <phenny> kunterbuntu: 172
03:42:48 <d8uv> So I need ubuntu's handholding
03:42:50 <jetscreamer> it's easy enough
03:42:50 <thelsdj> d8uv: what you need?
03:42:56 <jetscreamer> if i can do it you can
03:43:09 <bjoern_> @translate german to english kunterbunt
03:43:12 <supybot> bjoern_: kunterbunt
03:43:14 <bjoern_> ...
03:43:49 <jetscreamer> what i really don't like is #ubuntu
03:43:53 <jetscreamer> gah
03:43:55 <bjoern_> .w motley
03:43:58 <phenny> motley 1. a collection containing a variety of sorts of things
03:44:02 <phenny> motley 2. a garment made of motley (especially a court jester's costume)
03:44:05 <phenny> motley 3. a multicolored woolen fabric woven of mixed threads in 14th to 17th century England [...]
03:44:06 <d8uv> #ubuntu is horrible
03:44:11 <jetscreamer> .gc motley crue
03:44:13 <thelsdj> #ubuntu, #gentoo, #rubyonrails are all pretty bad
03:44:13 <phenny> motley crue: 6,220,000
03:44:26 <d8uv> What I need is a server install from the desktop CD
03:44:33 <jsled> ucuntu.
03:44:49 <thelsdj> .gc "motley crue"
03:44:49 <jetscreamer> just install whatever packages you want
03:44:52 <phenny> "motley crue": 6,190,000
03:45:03 <d8uv> And IRC is the worst place to do tech support
03:45:47 <jetscreamer> depends on the channel imo but yeah
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03:48:35 <d8uv> It does depend on the channel, but generally if IRC is the only semi-useful place for tech support, it will blow so hard
03:52:20 <d8uv> I mean I just asked "Look. My CD burner blows so I need to know how to install server from the desktop CD."
03:52:41 <bjoern_> "I want a pony!"
03:52:41 <d8uv> And all they are recommending to me is to get better CD-Rs.
03:52:49 <jetscreamer> lol
03:53:02 <jcowan> Well, that often *is* the only thing you can do with Linux if your hardware isn't well supported.
03:53:04 <jetscreamer> dude do you have a working installation? or you haven't installed yet
03:53:47 <jsled> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/files/no-pony-for-you.jpg
03:54:12 <bjoern_> .g project ponie
03:54:13 <d8uv> Not installed yet
03:54:15 <phenny> bjoern_: http://www.poniecode.org/
03:54:16 <jetscreamer> i've never installed ubuntu. but isn't there a portion in the installer that lets you select a set of packages? (don't use those!)
03:54:23 <d8uv> No.
03:54:36 <jetscreamer> just install a base system w/o xorg and then install wtf you want
03:54:47 <d8uv> That's what I am trying to do
03:55:06 <d8uv> But Ubuntu's desktop CD only wants to install the world
03:55:16 <d8uv> I don't want the world!
03:55:30 <clsn> I just want your half.
03:56:01 <jetscreamer> i'd recommend debian then. but the stable packages are older.
03:56:12 <jetscreamer> ubuntu the server...
03:56:32 <thelsdj> well i think his issue is all he has is an ubuntu desktop cd an nothing else possible/
03:57:04 <jetscreamer> install the world then remove stuff.
03:57:08 <jetscreamer> no biggie
03:57:22 <d8uv> Argh that will take forever!
03:57:34 <d8uv> I'm trying to do the not retarded thing!
03:57:40 <jetscreamer> don't let it update the packages and it won't take that long
03:58:02 <jetscreamer> no offense but the retarded thing is ubuntu :)
03:58:09 <d8uv> I agree
03:58:14 <jetscreamer> debian for retards :(
03:58:15 <d8uv> This is BALLS my friend
03:58:17 <thelsdj> nah, the retarded thing is only having the ubuntu desktop cd
03:58:40 <thelsdj> not your fault tho, just have to deal i guess heh
03:59:00 <d8uv> Well I'd use the server cd, or even the xubuntu cd, but my bandwidths is small and my cd writer is broken
03:59:01 <jetscreamer> you can install stuff off a dos partition so i don't see the problem
03:59:10 <bjoern_> "Was this information helpful? [Yes] [No] [Somewhat]" -- Microsoft Technet.
03:59:13 <thelsdj> in all the dvds i have you can select server install from the boot menu
03:59:44 <jetscreamer> course i don't know if you can w/ubuntu
03:59:56 <d8uv> You can't do anything with ubuntu
04:00:00 <bjoern_> .gc wubuntu
04:00:02 <phenny> wubuntu: 225
04:00:07 <thelsdj> sure you can with ubuntu
04:00:09 <jetscreamer> d8uv: got a couple floppies and a drive?
04:00:12 <thelsdj> someone just released a program for that
04:00:16 <thelsdj> (install ubuntu from windows)
04:00:42 <jetscreamer> course there's that bandwidth prob
04:00:44 <d8uv> This computer is cursed
04:01:00 <d8uv> I've had 2 sucessful installs of Linux on here
04:01:12 <d8uv> Out of the 200 attempted installs
04:01:26 <jetscreamer> try #kanotix or debian
04:01:37 <jetscreamer> or suse is ok but the yast in 10.1 is borked
04:01:45 <d8uv> YOU ARE FUCKERS
04:01:46 <jetscreamer> still
04:01:48 <d8uv> ALL OF YOU
04:01:51 <jetscreamer> i feel bad
04:02:07 <d8uv> I CANNOT GET ANOTHER LINUX CAN YOU UNDERSTAND THIS?!?!?!?!
04:02:27 <jetscreamer> you don't want to go through what you would have to go through, this i understand
04:02:41 <d8uv> IF I COULD I TOTALLY WOULD BUT I CANNOT HENCE MY PREDICAMENT
04:02:48 <jetscreamer> d8uv: got a couple floppies and a drive?
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04:03:01 <d8uv> jetscreamer: No!
04:03:03 <bjoern_> noooo not floppy drives :(
04:03:05 <thelsdj> http://instlux.sourceforge.net/
04:03:11 <jetscreamer> got a usb drive?
04:03:12 <jetscreamer> :)
04:03:33 <bjoern_> .gc Install Linux from USB Mp3 Player
04:03:36 <phenny> Install Linux from USB Mp3 Player: 1,260,000
04:03:45 <bjoern_> see, lots of creative people out there.
04:03:47 <jetscreamer> just install the ubuntu then apt-get remove --purge stuff
04:04:00 <jetscreamer> you could already have been finished in the time you took to bitch
04:04:01 <jetscreamer> :)
04:04:07 <thelsdj> you could always pxe boot the computer off another system and install openbsd or something hehe
04:04:19 <d8uv> [[[
04:04:26 <d8uv> THINGS I HAVE AND CAN USE:
04:04:35 <d8uv> 1. UBUNTU "DESKTOP" CD
04:04:39 <d8uv> 2. A COMPUTER
04:04:45 <d8uv> 3. THE INTERNET
04:04:46 <d8uv> ]]]
04:04:53 <jetscreamer> [[[see above]]]
04:05:00 <thelsdj> check out the url i just gave
04:05:11 <thelsdj> is there already an os on the computer?
04:05:20 <d8uv> No!
04:05:35 <d8uv> Unless you count the UBUNTU "DESKTOP" CD
04:05:38 <thelsdj> now how do you have internet access then? on a second computer
04:05:58 <d8uv> UNLESS YOU COUNT THE UBUNTU "DESKTOP" CD
04:06:04 <thelsdj> what is the os on this internet system?
04:06:33 <jetscreamer> is it a live cd? and you could shell out and edit stuff during the install, but that's probably a bit too much
04:06:39 <thelsdj> i would say your options are: 1. install the ubuntu 'desktop' cd 2. kill yourself
04:06:41 <d8uv> Ubuntu LiveCD, otherwise known as UBUNTU "DESKTOP" CD
04:07:12 <jetscreamer> it is also an install cd right
04:07:16 <d8uv> Yes!
04:07:20 <jetscreamer> just checking
04:07:26 <d8uv> WE ARE GETTING SOMEWHERE
04:07:28 <jetscreamer> so instal it
04:07:35 <jetscreamer> be done
04:07:35 <thelsdj> yea i think they switched to installing from the live OS
04:07:35 <d8uv> THIS IS CALLED "PROGRESS"
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04:10:58 <jetscreamer> are we there yet?
04:11:04 <jetscreamer> you're not finished???
04:11:08 <jcowan> Stop whining, jetscreamer.
04:11:11 <jetscreamer> :)
04:13:02 <thelsdj> d8uv: what exactly is your goal here? what on the server install would you use in the end?
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04:13:34 <d8uv> thelsdj: Basically a total lack of total shit
04:14:08 <thelsdj> d8uv: i recommend formatting the drive from within the live cd and turning off the computer :)
04:14:25 <thelsdj> also, maybe toss it out the window
04:14:26 <d8uv> My Ultimate Goal is to get xubuntu running on this, and the best way without downloading the xubuntu disk is to do it through server
04:14:51 <d8uv> But I will probably install xubuntu through regular ubuntu
04:15:06 <d8uv> SITUATION: AVERTED
04:15:29 <thelsdj> are you going to want to run apps that require gtk or gnome libs? seems like you'll end up with a full desktop install anyways
04:15:56 <d8uv> Well I don't want gnome
04:16:04 <d8uv> I want xfce
04:16:25 <thelsdj> gnome isn't that big, and if you're running xfce, its not going to slow you down at all
04:16:56 <d8uv> And the reason I use ubuntu is that it sets up gnome and xfce for retards (read: me)
04:17:01 <jcowan> d8uv: for a man whose hardware has backed him into a corner, you are rather picky.
04:17:09 <d8uv> And xfce is way snappier than gnome
04:17:26 <d8uv> At least on this machine
04:17:29 <thelsdj> yea my main point is no reason not to install gnome in the first place and then run xfce
04:18:01 <thelsdj> woo 3 checks arrive on same day
04:19:12 <jsled> yeah, unless you're super-picky about which apps you run, you're going to get core-gnome and core-kde eventually anyways.
04:19:42 <jsled> (though I don't seem to have much beyond kde-libs here, but I don't run many KDE apps)
04:20:04 <thelsdj> yea i rarely have kde libs in memory
04:20:50 <thelsdj> i bet the xubuntu install cd would install most of gnome anyways to support apps
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04:24:14 <clsn> .gc forwent
04:24:17 <phenny> forwent: 44,100
04:24:37 <thelsdj> .gc forwendt
04:24:40 <phenny> forwendt: 8
04:26:01 <clsn> past tense of forgo. Was checking.
04:26:32 <thelsdj> i always find it amusing that theres a book/author combo that matches my first/last name
04:26:44 <thelsdj> in search of adam - wendt, herbert
04:27:41 <thelsdj> i think my mom may have a copy of it
04:29:32 <bjoern_> .calc 52527972 KB - 51705043 KB
04:29:34 <phenny> (52 527 972 kilobytes) - (51 705 043 kilobytes) = 803.641602 megabytes
04:29:55 <bjoern_> hmm, good to eliminate duplicates...
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04:34:15 <Monty> hi est
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04:52:06 <jsled> Ha ha [[[
04:52:07 <jsled> Now I know you're all going to say, "Stephen, Stephen, immigrants built America." Yes, but here's the thing -- it's built now. I think it was finished in the mid-70s sometime. At this point it's a touch-up and repair job.
04:52:11 <jsled> ]]], [[[
04:52:22 <jsled> My mother had 11 children: Jimmy, Eddie, Mary, Billy, Morgan, Tommy, Jay, Lou, Paul, Peter, Stephen. You may applaud my mother's womb. Thank you, I'll let her know.
04:52:28 <jsled> ]]] - http://www.alternet.org/mediaculture/37144/
04:53:06 <ows> is there some semantic file manager?
04:54:14 <bancus> Seth Nickell was working on one.
04:54:19 <bancus> Gnome Storage
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04:54:35 <bancus> you could ask it for the movie directed by Spielberg in 2003
04:55:41 <ows> bancus: it seems that's not os-independent
04:55:49 <ows> so, it runs only on *nix
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04:57:09 <ows> but thx anyway
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05:00:01 <bjoern_> .calc 1.4 GB over 5 minutes
05:00:03 <phenny> (1.4 gigabytes) over (5 minutes) = 4.77866667 MBps
05:00:29 <bjoern_> .calc 51 705 043 kilobytes over 4.77866667 MBps
05:00:30 <phenny> bjoern_: Sorry, no result.
05:00:36 <bjoern_> .calc 51705043 kilobytes over 4.77866667 MBps
05:00:36 <phenny> (51 705 043 kilobytes) over (4.77866667 MBps) = 2.93510545 hours
05:00:46 <bjoern_> hmmm
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05:03:02 <bjoern_> .calc 51705043 kilobytes over (2.9 GB over 8 minutes)
05:03:04 <phenny> (51 705 043 kilobytes) over ((2.9 GB) over (8 minutes)) = 2.26711593 hours
05:09:08 <jsled> phenny: tell sbp http://www.disinfo.com/site/displayarticle16436.html
05:09:10 <phenny> jsled: I'll pass that on when sbp is around.
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05:26:16 <thelsdj> is it just me or does anyone else miss disenchanted.com?
05:28:33 <thelsdj> i can go back and reread the stuff on there, but not as fun as if there was new content :(
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05:53:59 <bjoern_> hmm http://www.microsoft.com/windows/catalog/server/default.aspx?subID=22&xslt=detail&pgn=d08d5ffb-9a57-0e8c-99c3-7be352afeef8
05:55:22 <bjoern_> well, "supported" in the sense that iff you have a floppy drive during install, you might be able to get drivers from there and use the device... otherwise you're screwed...
05:55:56 <bjoern_> anyways... now that I know how, I can make my own boot and install dvd with the drivers included...
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06:17:00 <Monty> hi est, how ya doing?
06:17:02 <phenny> Monty: shh, don't let anyone know you're around!
06:17:04 <Monty> encompassing gibbon-like offers!
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06:58:48 * sbp reads backlogs...
07:01:20 <sbp> .tavtime
07:01:22 <phenny> 2622.16.17.2.29
07:02:27 <bjoern_> G()()od M0rningz L0rd Sbp
07:03:15 <sbp> OMG
07:03:17 <sbp> bjoern_!
07:03:19 <sbp> morning old chap
07:03:29 <bjoern_> lolz !!1
07:03:31 <sbp> damn, tav should make yi longer and more frequent
07:03:35 <sbp> or we should check tavtime more
07:03:46 <sbp> how is the Land of Bjoern_'s Brane this morning?
07:03:58 <sbp> doing any regexp stuff?
07:04:05 <sbp> does Perl allow \W in character classes?
07:04:12 <sbp> because PYTHON DOESN'T AND THAT SUCKS
07:04:13 <bjoern_> yes
07:04:21 <sbp> really? show me an example?
07:04:26 <sbp> I won't believe it until I see it
07:04:38 * bjoern_ waiting for encryption of 51 GB data to complete...
07:04:45 <sbp> it's annoying, because if you want to do "is preceeded by non-word or beginning of a line..."
07:04:52 <sbp> er, wait, I think I mean \A
07:05:02 <sbp> yeah, can it do *\A* in a character class
07:05:03 <bjoern_> perl -e "print 'ok' if 'x' =~ /[\w]/"
07:05:16 <bjoern_> wtf is \A ?
07:05:17 <sbp> and not \w, \W
07:05:25 <sbp> \A is the beginning of a line
07:05:44 <sbp> technically the empty string at...
07:05:56 <sbp> so I wanted to do "has a non-word or beginning of line"
07:06:25 <sbp> i.e. (?<=[\A\W])
07:06:37 <sbp> but oh no, can't do that because the regexp engine sucks all kinds of ass
07:06:44 <aspect> er. are you sure [\W] works?
07:07:00 <bjoern_> yes
07:07:27 <sbp> >>> import re
07:07:27 <sbp> >>> re.compile(r'[\W]+').match(' ... ')
07:07:27 <sbp> <_sre.SRE_Match object at 0x186b7b10>
07:07:27 <sbp> >>>
07:07:56 <aspect> oh, python
07:08:15 <bjoern_> ah, \A is the opposite of \z or \Z
07:08:27 <sbp> yeah
07:08:30 <bjoern_> these are zero width assertions, not character classes...
07:08:43 <sbp> so anyway, \A|\W doesn't work because the lookbehind has to be fixed width
07:08:45 <aspect> bjoern_: echo 23 | perl -ne 'print -f /[\w]/' prints here ...?
07:09:02 <sbp> (?:\A|(?<=\W)) worked, anyway
07:09:27 <aspect> oh. \w includes numeric. ignore me :)
07:09:53 <sbp> I still think [\A\W] should just do the right thing
07:10:03 <bjoern_> #perl6
07:10:07 <sbp> heh, heh
07:10:10 <sbp> yeah, yeah
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07:18:00 <sbp> "The scientists responsible for the discovery sidestep the question by calling them 'Planetary Mass Objects,' or planemos."
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07:18:11 <sbp> - http://science.slashdot.org/science/06/06/05/1815255.shtml
07:18:29 <sbp> phenny: tell est OMG SERIOUSLY YOUR CLIENT
07:18:31 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when est is around.
07:19:38 <sbp> phenny: tell est it seems to be reconnecting on average every 2.75 minutes when it's having one of its little phases. check it: http://swhack.com/logs/2006-06-06#T06-01-23
07:19:41 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when est is around.
07:20:21 <sbp> phenny: tell est you wrote a utf-8b codec. you can fix your client. you can do it, man. I believe in you! whip that client into shape real good! yeah man, we doin' this! WHOO
07:20:24 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when est is around.
07:21:16 <bjoern_> ITZ D0NE !!!1
07:22:40 <bjoern_> next step is to create the dvd images..
07:23:06 <sbp> phenny: tell jsled yeah, I've heard that theory before but it's been basically discounted. it's long been thought that whatever the circumstances, Dee and Kelley gave it to Rudolf II, but any link whatsoever now is looking tenuous
07:23:09 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when jsled is around.
07:23:24 <sbp> phenny: tell jsled cf. the Book of Soyga
07:23:26 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when jsled is around.
07:24:02 <sbp> phenny: tell Morbus happy 2006-06-06!
07:24:04 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when morbus is around.
07:24:27 <bjoern_> hmm
07:24:31 <bjoern_> 13037 files
07:25:11 <bjoern_> that's just because I deleted 148 duplicates, I swear!
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07:28:59 <sbp> Leoet?
07:29:02 <sbp> .gc leoet
07:29:05 <phenny> leoet: 603
07:30:58 * bjoern_ wonders whether 7 or 1 is the "L", i.e. whether it's read tb-lr or bottom-up right-to-left ...
07:32:06 <sbp> 1 is l because it's read lowercase
07:32:07 <bjoern_> .calc 13037 + 1935
07:32:10 <phenny> 13 037 + 1 935 = 14 972
07:32:12 <sbp> I capitalised it out of its leetness
07:32:32 <bjoern_> that's the actual number once I complete the collection
07:32:58 <bjoern_> I can't do that yet because my provide had some "outage" as you might have read in the news...
07:33:15 <bjoern_> +r
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08:05:29 <Monty> it's est!
08:07:00 <bjoern_> Monty: really ??
08:07:02 <Monty> but what's off-topic for having :-)
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08:17:01 <Monty> But what does est have to do with the price of fish?
08:17:04 <phenny> Hush there, Monty.
08:17:05 <Monty> forwendt: 8
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08:45:44 <thelsdj> I wonder if Cyc knows that if you use the last ice cubes in the tray you're supposed to fill them back up
08:45:58 <sbp> hehe
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08:47:07 <thelsdj> seriously, are we going to end up with asshole ai?
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08:51:21 <bjoern_> hmm dirty tricks on the msdn win2k3 cd it seems...
08:51:40 <bjoern_> it's a CD with ~ 650 MB data, but the files are > 1 GB ...
08:51:47 <thelsdj> hah
08:51:51 <bjoern_> I guess there are some symlinks...
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08:53:39 <Monty> hi est, how ya doing?
08:53:41 <phenny> Monty: shh, don't let anyone know you're around!
08:53:42 <Monty> pocketable
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08:58:30 <bjoern_> .gc "GOD BLESS YOU AS YOU READ AND REPLY THIS MAIL."
08:58:32 <phenny> "GOD BLESS YOU AS YOU READ AND REPLY THIS MAIL.": 13
08:58:55 <bjoern_> .gc "adoptive bare-bones"
08:58:57 <phenny> "adoptive bare-bones": 0
08:59:20 <bjoern_> .gc "You have the experience but lack the proper University Degree."
08:59:22 <phenny> "You have the experience but lack the proper University Degree.": 136
08:59:35 <bjoern_> .gc "Obtain the career you have always wanted with the University Degree you deserve."
08:59:37 <phenny> "Obtain the career you have always wanted with the University Degree you deserve.": 99
08:59:46 <thelsdj> as we move towards the singularity, the % of web search results that lead to #swhack logs will approach 100%
08:59:46 <bjoern_> .gc "Have You Ever Profited From a Smallcap"
08:59:48 <phenny> "Have You Ever Profited From a Smallcap": 486
09:01:24 <thelsdj> smallcaps are a myth, like the tooth fairy and elvis
09:02:52 <bjoern_> Well, browser support for the font variant isn't /that/ bad...
09:02:56 <thelsdj> mmmm witchblade anime, i sure hope its not crap like the comic and the second season of the tv show
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09:07:54 <Monty> hi est
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09:27:28 <thelsdj> Idea for band name: masturbating phoetuses
09:28:06 <thelsdj> fetuses just doesn't look as good
09:28:37 <bjoern_> I'd make a one man band iRock.
09:28:43 <thelsdj> ha
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09:31:53 <bjoern_> it's est!
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09:33:44 <thelsdj> bjoern_: ssh, don't let anyone know you're here
09:34:58 <bjoern_> OH TEH NOES!
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09:39:08 <Monty> hey est
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10:08:50 <bjoern_> hmm http://ipaction.org/blog/2006/06/worst-bill-youve-never-heard-of.html
10:10:07 <JibberJim> Bill Frist?
10:10:23 <bjoern_> I never heard of them, so...
10:11:26 <JibberJim> whoa, he's a US senator... strange how was supposed to be a made up name obviously came in from somewhere...
10:11:49 <bjoern_> .wik Bill Frist
10:11:52 <phenny> "William Harrison Frist (born February 22, 1952 in Nashville, Tennessee) is a Republican U.S. Senator from Tennessee." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Frist
10:15:45 <bjoern_> it's sad to see the blogger and commenters are mostly concerned about money. the real issue is control of culture and knoweldge.
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10:54:13 <Talliesin> Money is what drives it though.
10:54:42 <bjoern_> If you have power, money becomes irrelevant.
11:23:24 <bjoern_> isn't there a tool that lets me backup all my windows settings (shell, desktop, internet explorer, ...)?
11:28:11 <JibberJim> does the windows migration tool do it?
11:28:24 <bjoern_> not sure?
11:28:47 <bjoern_> I basically want to know all the relevant registry changes so I can patch the install sources with my settings.
11:29:09 <bjoern_> I successfully used "nLite" to do some of that, but it's not all that complete
11:30:00 <bjoern_> User State Migration Tool?
11:30:46 <JibberJim> I was thinking "File and Settings Transfer Wizard"
11:35:54 <bjoern_> trying that now
11:36:06 <bjoern_> good I always keep the xp .iso around...
11:36:42 <bjoern_> it's got a terrible ui, can't resize the selection window...
11:38:49 <bjoern_> well
11:39:00 <bjoern_> to use that I'd have to run regmon and record all the changes
11:39:14 <bjoern_> since the .dat format isn't quite accessible without additional software
11:39:44 <bjoern_> and it seems to be rather far from doing exactly what I want, so I can't just roll it in post-install
11:48:23 * Arnia waves again
11:49:06 <bjoern_> okay, I tried this, not that bad at a first glance
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11:52:16 <bjoern_> I diffed the reg exports, seems good
11:53:45 <bjoern_> hmm, HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Cryptography\RNG\Seed I hope that's just entirely random for each export,
11:53:45 <bjoern_> otherwise it would be a bit odd to transfer this setting...
11:57:20 <thelsdj> hanyone want to make a guess at what the source of this image is? http://www.ci.wilton.nh.us/logo2.gif
12:02:00 <thelsdj> welp i'm off to try to sleep, i'll give the answer for anyone curious, its a digital photo of the logo off the side of a police cruiser (the reason for the gradient and the elongation)
12:18:34 <Morbus> phenny, tell sbp zomg, 6/6/6!
12:18:36 <phenny> Morbus: I'll pass that on when sbp is around.
12:18:38 <phenny> Morbus: 07:05Z <sbp> tell Morbus happy 2006-06-06!
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13:02:37 <JibberJim> .g "the only satanist sect that is sane and worthwhile"
13:02:40 <phenny> "the only satanist sect that is sane and worthwhile": sorry, no results were found.
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14:54:27 <bjoern_> .calc 4293226496 in MB
14:54:31 <phenny> bjoern_: Sorry, no result.
14:54:33 <bjoern_> .calc 4293226496 bytes in MB
14:54:35 <phenny> 4 293 226 496 bytes = 4 094.33984 megabytes
14:56:11 <jsled> .calc 4293226496 in MiB
14:56:13 <phenny> jsled: Sorry, no result.
14:56:15 <phenny> jsled: 07:04Z <sbp> tell jsled yeah, I've heard that theory before but it's been basically discounted. it's long been thought that whatever the circumstances, Dee and Kelley gave it to Rudolf II, but any link whatsoever now is looking tenuous
14:56:19 <phenny> jsled: 07:04Z <sbp> tell jsled cf. the Book of Soyga
14:59:21 <bjoern_> .calc 4293226496 - 4293918720
14:59:23 <phenny> 4 293 226 496 - 4 293 918 720 = -692 224
15:00:39 <bjoern_> eek
15:00:44 <bjoern_> .calc 4693426176 bytes in MB
15:00:47 <phenny> 4 693 426 176 bytes = 4 476 megabytes
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16:06:02 <sbp> odd. zero length responses from Google
16:06:06 <sbp> must be my ISP again
16:06:19 <sbp> ah there we go
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