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00:02:22 <Monty> howdy, KragenSitaker
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00:16:32 <KragenSitaker> why voice the bots?
00:18:31 <bancus> To indicate that they are bots.
00:18:50 <KragenSitaker> why is that important?
00:19:24 <crschmidt> Because it is so stated in the Swhack FAQ (which is not pronounced "Swhack Fak")
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01:15:05 <deltab> bjoern_: ord gives me 0x20AC
01:15:15 <bjoern_> perl -v?
01:15:30 <deltab> This is perl, v5.8.7 built for i486-linux-gnu-thread-multi
01:15:31 <deltab> (with 1 registered patch, see perl -V for more detail)
01:15:34 <bjoern_> I have 5.8.8 on Win32
01:15:48 <bjoern_> % perl -MEncode -e "print $Encode::VERSION"
01:15:51 <bjoern_> is 2.18
01:16:08 <bjoern_> perhaps a regression...
01:16:09 <deltab> no output
01:16:23 <deltab> so what do you get from ord?
01:16:24 <bjoern_> perl -MEncode -e 'print $Encode::VERSION'
01:16:27 <bjoern_> ?
01:16:44 <bjoern_> ord gives me the ord of the first byte in the three byte sequence
01:16:51 <deltab> 2.10
01:16:56 <deltab> ah
01:17:02 <bjoern_> (226)
01:17:26 <deltab> my locale is en_GB.UTF-8
01:17:39 <bjoern_> hmm, yes, that might cause it
01:18:15 <deltab> same result with LC_ALL=C
01:18:40 <bjoern_> I also get 8364 on my firewall...
01:19:01 <bjoern_> (5.8.5 with some Linux 2.4)
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01:42:03 <est> aw yeah..big jibbin
01:43:47 * BigJibby shakes his nooblets
01:44:19 <est> :o
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02:20:13 <clarity_> yo
02:20:53 <est> yoyo
02:21:42 <clarity_> I applied for an internship at oracle
02:21:52 <clarity_> how exciting is that!?
02:22:01 <crschmidt> Less exciting than getting it ;)
02:22:03 <clarity_> hopefully I get to use vim
02:22:14 <clarity_> pffft, It'll shock me if I don't get it
02:22:15 <est> clarity_: oracle is evil
02:22:35 <clarity_> I have 4 years of experience as a systems analyst at an even more evil corp chevron
02:22:49 <est> i know ex-oracle programmers
02:23:00 <est> they were very happy to leave :)
02:23:08 <clarity_> what did they complain about?
02:23:31 <est> however, larry ellison doesnt have enough money..so it's good that you will intern with them
02:24:03 <KragenSitaker> why bother to apply for an internship at oracle? wouldn't it be more interesting to intern at, say, Linden Lab, or Ning, or Socialtext, or Google (say, JotSpot)?
02:24:06 <clarity_> that's what I like about internships. I get to work for a company for a couple months and leave w/o any hard feelings
02:24:23 <clarity_> oh yeah, I'll apply at google too
02:24:34 <est> clarity_: well..one had a boss who told her group that they had to work 80 hr weeks..not even a special crunch time (not that that would justify it)
02:24:49 <KragenSitaker> or Odeo, or Technorati, or even Electronic Arts?
02:25:03 <est> EA has a sweaty rep too
02:25:06 <clarity_> I would walk the fuck out if they did that
02:25:16 <KragenSitaker> yeah, but at least they make cool stuff
02:25:24 <clarity_> especially if it was salary
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02:27:38 <KragenSitaker> aren't there about a thousand startups in silicon valley who would be more interesting to work at than oracle?
02:28:03 <clarity_> oracle looks more impressive
02:28:22 <clarity_> plus I just want to pick a variety of corps
02:28:31 <clarity_> like this year maybe oracle or google
02:28:41 <clarity_> next year sun or amazon...
02:28:43 <clarity_> etc..
02:29:00 <est> clarity_: it doesnt look more impressive to me
02:30:00 <KragenSitaker> oracle looks like you tried to pick your internship to look impressive :)
02:30:11 <clarity_> hrm
02:30:13 <KragenSitaker> it'd probably impress your aunt
02:30:28 <clarity_> hmm she doesn't know what oracle is
02:31:03 <KragenSitaker> you know the line about how there are people who want to join a company to make it successful, and then there are people who want to join a successful company?
02:31:27 <clarity_> well I'm not joining oracle to make it successful
02:31:33 <clarity_> I just want to see what it's like there
02:31:45 <clarity_> I'm just curious
02:31:56 <clarity_> that's why I want to goto a lot of different companies rather than sticking with oen
02:32:16 <kandinski> "took leadership in sniffing in Larry Ellison's underpant drawer"
02:32:22 <kandinski> good line for a resume
02:32:29 <kandinski> in gold lame
02:32:34 <kandinski> sorry, resumé in gold lamé
02:32:58 <jsled> <gold_lamé>took leadership in sniffing in Larry Ellison's underpant drawer</gold_lamé>
02:33:21 <KragenSitaker> right, obviously you wouldn't join oracle now to make it successful. it marks you as the second kind of person.
02:33:31 <clarity_> I know chevron's bureaucracy in and out
02:33:52 <clarity_> it'd be cool to know googles, oracle, and other companies too
02:34:01 <clarity_> I honestly don't want a real job
02:34:11 <clarity_> like I said I want to be a prof and do research
02:34:15 <clarity_> or a full time researcher
02:36:34 <est> i suspect google is a lot better for that path
02:36:54 <KragenSitaker> heh, that's not what she said
02:37:32 <est> KragenSitaker: hmm?
02:37:37 <kandinski> est: or even after that path
02:38:14 <est> kandinski: ..or in the middle of it
02:38:20 <KragenSitaker> mumble
02:38:36 <KragenSitaker> just i've heard some people complain that they weren't getting enough research done at google
02:38:38 <est> KragenSitaker: i dont think she said it was worse than oracle!
02:38:49 <kandinski> Kragen, how is South America treetin' jew!
02:40:06 <KragenSitaker> ha, you are right there, for sure!
02:40:39 <KragenSitaker> i've never heard anybody say any place was worse than oracle. at least, not among the maybe two people i know who have actually worked there.
02:40:49 <KragenSitaker> i'm good
02:40:55 <KragenSitaker> i just had an entire 10 inch pizza
02:41:00 <jsled> Wow. http://gofugyourself.typepad.com/go_fug_yourself/2006/12/billboard_music_1.html
02:41:02 <est> kragen's jewish??
02:41:22 <KragenSitaker> not actually, no. i just like to read and argue, so it confuses people sometimes.
02:41:40 <KragenSitaker> with roquefort, green olives, red peppers, oregano, and walnuts
02:41:43 <KragenSitaker> for $8
02:41:47 <est> ok..yer a bit talmudic maybe
02:41:58 <clarity_> eh, I'll try google next summer
02:42:22 <est> KragenSitaker: im that too..and grew up in manhattan :o
02:42:43 <clarity_> it looks like they'd have me doing desktop support or something
02:43:07 <est> clarity_
02:43:21 <est> JUST SAY NO
02:43:25 <clarity_> :-)
02:43:41 <kandinski> est: I was imitating a Spanish accent
02:43:55 <kandinski> Spaniards and S.Americans say "jew" for "you"
02:43:57 <est> kandinski: oh that makes sense
02:43:58 <kandinski> is all
02:44:00 <KragenSitaker> i think the argentinian accent is more like "shoe"
02:44:06 <kandinski> KragenSitaker: true
02:44:22 <KragenSitaker> which is hard to get used to
02:44:25 <kandinski> or like the "j" in French "bijou"
02:44:28 <KragenSitaker> i keep mishearing "calle" as "casa"
02:44:36 <kandinski> hehe
02:44:46 <kandinski> I love Argentinian accents
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02:44:51 <KragenSitaker> it's not as if the vowel is ambiguous or anything
02:44:56 <kandinski> especially in pretty girls or in comedians
02:44:59 <est> yes, shoe is good! it protect foot!
02:46:18 <est> kandinski: ..and Kragen confirms the beauty of the argentinians
02:46:24 <kandinski> oh, man
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02:46:29 <Monty> hi clarity, how ya doing?
02:46:31 <kandinski> KragenSitaker: where are you exactly?
02:46:32 <phenny> Monty: shh, don't let anyone know you're around!
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02:46:33 <Monty> Arnia: wtf are good for Pugs
02:46:36 <est> clarity!
02:46:44 <KragenSitaker> kandinski: on the fifth floor
02:46:52 <kandinski> women from Cordoba Argentina are some of the beautifullest in the planet
02:46:56 <est> third house after the fire station
02:47:01 <kandinski> KragenSitaker: spoken like a true consultant
02:47:02 <clarity_> howdy howdy
02:47:11 <kandinski> precise, true, useless information
02:47:19 <KragenSitaker> kandinski: not right now --- i'm doing no paid work at all at the moment :)
02:47:25 <KragenSitaker> buenos aires
02:47:28 <KragenSitaker> northwest corner
02:47:29 <kandinski> man
02:47:30 <kandinski> enjoy
02:47:33 <KragenSitaker> near independencia station
02:47:40 <kandinski> you bastard :)
02:47:53 <est> how expensive is the living?
02:48:04 <KragenSitaker> we're renting by the week, so it's pricey
02:48:14 <KragenSitaker> furnished apt. is US$200/week
02:48:18 <KragenSitaker> so $900/month
02:48:34 <kandinski> you are making someone happy
02:48:44 <kandinski> the Ag economy is still a shambles
02:48:52 <KragenSitaker> yeah, but it's not a hotelier or restaurateur
02:49:08 <clarity_> I wonder how much oracle pays there interns
02:49:14 <kandinski> no, it is someone's flat you are staying
02:49:22 <clarity_> I applied for internships through berkeley too
02:49:23 <kandinski> clarity_: depends on there spelling skills
02:49:33 <clarity_> shit I'm fucked.
02:49:57 <est> well..that was perfectly spelled
02:49:58 <clarity_> oops their*
02:49:59 <kandinski> hope you enjoyed it
02:50:11 <clarity_> yeah I had to look at it for a minute
02:50:13 <kandinski> est: it depends on practice
02:50:15 <clarity_> but I can't spell
02:51:26 <kandinski> then your in trouble
02:51:47 <clarity_> I wonder if digg will hire interns
02:51:54 <kandinski> you're career can be much furthered by learning correct speling
02:51:55 <clarity_> that'd be pretty fun working for/with kevin rose
02:52:14 <clarity_> kandin: too much work
02:52:14 <kandinski> I have a friend looks just like Kevin Rose
02:52:48 <clarity_> does he drink oe800?
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02:55:24 <KragenSitaker> kandinski: yeah, it's someone's flat, but he lives nearby, i think
02:55:37 <jsled> awesome. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElrldD02if0
02:55:44 <kandinski> KragenSitaker: I plan to rent my flat out when I move to Melb in a couple of months
02:55:54 <KragenSitaker> oh, i thought you were there already
02:55:58 <kandinski> furnished flat rented by week to tourists and business travelers
02:56:03 <kandinski> KragenSitaker: no, I was visiting
02:56:16 <kandinski> I will be moving defnitly around feb 15th
02:56:33 <kandinski> as defnitly as one can move and still be alive
02:56:55 <kandinski> Helen still has three years contract, and we have a mortgage together
02:57:07 <kandinski> so we are not planning short-term
02:57:17 <KragenSitaker> yow
02:57:23 <kandinski> is your wife Argentinian?
02:57:28 <KragenSitaker> not scared of commitment, are you?
02:57:32 <KragenSitaker> no, californian
02:57:42 <kandinski> I mean, what the fuck are you doing there, if you don't mind?
02:58:15 <kandinski> KragenSitaker: you know the chestnut about regretting more the stuff you don't do than the stuff you do?
03:00:02 <KragenSitaker> yeah?
03:00:31 <KragenSitaker> trying to get a clue, that's all. trying to get a clue.
03:01:06 <kandinski> oh
03:01:14 * kandinski hands KragenSitaker a metaphorical clue
03:02:04 * KragenSitaker receives the clue. SWHACK!
03:05:39 * est still dont get it
03:07:53 <KragenSitaker> .g 40 traditional subjects of meditation
03:07:55 <phenny> KragenSitaker: http://bad.eserver.org/issues/2000/51/eck.html
03:09:29 <est> 40 traditional subjects? like oneself as a rotting corpse?
03:10:30 <KragenSitaker> that's not just one of them, but ten
03:10:51 <est> really??
03:10:55 <clarity_> sweet, I'm signed up for discrete math, machine structures, honors abstract algebra, AI, and a math proof class
03:11:09 <clarity_> 3 of those classes are wait listed sadly
03:11:18 <est> clarity_: do you know who the instructors are?
03:11:29 <clarity_> yeah, are you familiar with berkeley?
03:11:34 <clarity_> I forget are you the person who went there?
03:11:35 <est> a little
03:11:44 <est> no..but an ex of mine did
03:11:50 <est> ..and other people i know
03:13:21 <clarity_> machine structures: daniel garcia, AI: narayanan, discrete math: trevisan, abstract algebra non-honors: bergman, abstract algebra honors: karp
03:13:48 <clarity_> math proof class: staff...
03:14:07 <kandinski> berkeley wow
03:14:12 <clarity_> sadly I'm waitlisted for machine structures, AI, abstract algebra
03:14:24 * kandinski is naturally envious of people who get a good education
03:14:28 <kandinski> or unnaturally so
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03:17:02 <est> clarity_: you are wait-listed for *both* algebra classes?
03:17:18 <clarity_> no just the non-honors one
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03:17:40 <est> wouldnt you prefer honors?
03:17:47 <clarity_> yup
03:18:04 <clarity_> I've been told it'll be impossible for me to pass the honors course
03:18:16 <est> esp with karp!
03:18:24 <est> have you read his turing award lecture?
03:18:27 <clarity_> so I'm going o take them concurrently... if it looks like I'll fail the honors I'll just drop that
03:18:30 <KragenSitaker> est: yeah, there's the rotten, bloated corpse; the livid corpse with patchy discoloration; the festering corpse oozing lymph and pus;
03:18:34 <clarity_> no
03:18:49 <clarity_> but he's one of the highly rated professors
03:19:18 <est> clarity_: mebbe you'll help me to sneak in to some of the lectures :9
03:19:23 <kandinski> KragenSitaker: I don't get the joke.
03:19:25 <clarity_> hah
03:19:30 <clarity_> do you live in the berkeley area?
03:19:33 <KragenSitaker> est: the corpse falling apart, with the pieces scattered; a corpse being pulled apart by scavengers; corpses scattered about;
03:20:00 <kandinski> oh, topics for meditation
03:20:13 <KragenSitaker> est: the corpse of a person violently murdered, cut almost apart; a corpse covered with blood; a corpse infested with worms;
03:20:22 <KragenSitaker> est: and a skeleton.
03:20:38 <clarity_> this isn't richard karp
03:20:43 <KragenSitaker> and oneself as all of these
03:20:47 <clarity_> http://math.berkeley.edu/~dkarp
03:21:10 <clarity_> anyone can sit in on the lectures at berkeley
03:21:22 <clarity_> bums sometimes sit in on classes
03:21:25 <clarity_> it's kind of funny
03:21:27 <est> oh..i should do that sometime then
03:21:37 <clarity_> you live in this area?
03:21:45 <est> im in mountain view
03:22:51 <clarity_> oh okay
03:22:55 <clarity_> yeah you can just sit in whenever
03:24:11 <clarity_> yeah richard karp seems to mostly teach graduate courses
03:25:36 <est> clarity_: we should go to argentina and have a swhack party with kragen
03:26:33 <clarity_> sweet
03:27:27 <KragenSitaker> totally
03:27:32 <clarity_> I wonder if Aerospace pays for their interns too
03:27:35 <clarity_> err
03:27:37 <clarity_> pays for their housing
03:27:51 <clarity_> because that'd rule to have free housing in manhattan beach
03:29:32 <clarity_> woa, KragenSitaker lives in argentina?
03:30:15 <KragenSitaker> i've been here about 20 days now
03:30:22 <KragenSitaker> before that i was in venezuela for 6 weeks
03:30:43 <clarity_> woa
03:30:50 <clarity_> have you ever lived in the state
03:30:53 <clarity_> states
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03:31:51 <KragenSitaker> yeah, until july
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03:44:31 <clarity_> why are you moving about the world?
03:44:40 <clarity_> do you just want to see what it's like?
03:44:46 <clarity_> trying to get away from bush?
03:44:47 <KragenSitaker> yeah
03:44:49 <KragenSitaker> no
03:45:09 <clarity_> what do people usually say about americans?
03:45:31 <clarity_> or do they say anything?
03:46:01 <kandinski> they say they are americans too
03:46:17 <kandinski> south americans, but united states of america is not all of america
03:46:20 <kandinski> that is what they say
03:46:33 <kandinski> but you have to ask them, because they are polite
03:46:52 <clarity_> :-)
03:46:53 <est> that's why i ask about "yankees"!
03:47:29 <kandinski> or "gringos"
03:48:07 <KragenSitaker> in venezuela, they used the word "americano" to mean united statesan
03:48:19 <KragenSitaker> even when I made a point of using "estadounidense"
03:50:13 <kandinski> you were polite
03:50:18 <kandinski> many people don't care
03:50:31 <kandinski> others don't really care but like to make a point
03:50:35 <kandinski> others care and a lot
03:53:30 <KragenSitaker> i don't think they thought i was polite. i think they thought i was speaking with a foreign vocabulary, perhaps from ecuador.
03:53:37 <KragenSitaker> as if someone were to say "trousers" in the US.
03:54:00 <est> my parets said "trousers" :o
03:54:04 <est> parents
03:55:25 <KragenSitaker> heh
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04:01:35 <Monty> hey eikeon
04:02:49 <kandinski> KragenSitaker: interesting
04:21:56 <clarity_> man this code I'm writing us ugly and long
04:22:23 <clarity_> eh i guess it's not so bad
04:30:03 <KragenSitaker> my code is always ugly and long the first time :)
04:31:41 <Mike_L> my papers are ugly and long the first time, too
04:32:35 <Mike_L> today I polished up the rough draft of my undergraduate research project report
04:34:12 <Mike_L> "A Comparison of Three Random Password Generators"
04:35:47 <KragenSitaker> yay
04:36:00 <Mike_L> :)
04:37:02 <Mike_L> would you like to proofread it for me?
04:40:11 <Mike_L> I'm impressed that ghostscript detects URLs in PS and outputs PDFs with clickable links
04:49:06 <lemonodor> i think acrobat does some detection and clickification. are you looking at the pdf in acrobat?
04:49:31 <lemonodor> this feature confused me when i was trying to find a way to use os x' print-to-pdf functionality and still get clickable urls
04:50:10 <Mike_L> ah that may be it. I'm using Adobe Reader 7.0.8 on WinXP
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05:48:00 <Monty> howdy, lemonodor
05:59:16 <bancus> .cp ellipsis
05:59:20 <phenny> 0EAF: LAO ELLIPSIS (ຯ)
05:59:23 <phenny> 1801: MONGOLIAN ELLIPSIS (᠁)
05:59:25 <phenny> 2026: HORIZONTAL ELLIPSIS (…) [...]
06:00:37 <KragenSitaker> .cp lemonodor
06:00:39 <phenny> Sorry, no results found for 'lemonodor'.
06:00:42 <KragenSitaker> .cp Monty
06:00:43 <Monty> monkinetic, what language?
06:00:44 <phenny> Sorry, no results found for 'Monty'.
06:00:49 <Monty> "A hipster is about that on their blog: http://www.makezine.com/blog/archive/2006/12/minipov_light_s.html
06:00:51 <KragenSitaker> .cp Monty twe
06:00:55 <phenny> Sorry, no results found for 'Monty twe'.
06:00:55 <Monty> In all honesty, quaint CLI pensioners castrates Eddie's overgrown shotgun!!!
06:00:56 <Monty> domainers
06:00:59 <twe> Twe the twe twe.
06:01:09 <twe> No twe, rss 1.1 because it's annoying to have found how to deal with becomign popular.
06:05:36 <est> ./cp est
06:05:40 <est> .cp est
06:05:42 <phenny> 003F: QUESTION MARK (?)
06:05:44 <MoiraA> morning
06:05:45 <phenny> 00BF: INVERTED QUESTION MARK (¿)
06:05:48 <phenny> 037E: GREEK QUESTION MARK (;) [...]
06:05:57 <est> aha
06:06:00 <est> .cp kragen
06:06:03 <phenny> Sorry, no results found for 'kragen'.
06:06:18 <est> :(
06:08:12 <bancus> Why the hell does the texinfo @pagesizes command not take the size of the actual fucking page?
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06:14:11 <clarity_> bancus: ever heard of banksy?
06:21:25 <bancus> clarity_: who?
06:21:58 <clarity_> search youtube
06:22:02 <clarity_> it's badass
06:22:10 <clarity_> he's an artist
06:22:40 <bancus> Is there any particular reason this is addressed to me?
06:23:26 <clarity_> bancus reminded me of banksy since the characters are similar
06:24:03 <bancus> bancus is pronounced BAHN-shoos
06:24:07 <bancus> It's lojban.
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06:24:17 <clarity_> yeah I know
06:24:43 <clarity_> it's weird though usually I interpret nicks as patterns of characters rather than pronoucing it
06:24:46 <clarity_> I'm not sure why
06:26:31 <est> ah..i didnt know it was lojbanic
06:26:48 <clarity_> I do that with all nouns actually
06:27:31 <bancus> bancus isn't a noun
06:27:33 <bancus> it's a cmevla
06:32:24 <KragenSitaker> when you use it as an irc nick, it becomes a noun
06:33:23 <est> mine was already Erhard Seminar Trainings :D
06:34:00 <KragenSitaker> don't they have a new name?
06:34:23 <est> Landmark Forum
06:34:34 <est> ..but it's not the same..bathroom breaks :(
06:41:30 <bancus> Anyone know much about texinfo?
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08:45:45 <bjoern_> Dr. Basement is a terrible name...
08:46:09 <bjoern_> For a doctor anyway.
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08:47:23 <est_> gynecologist?
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08:50:30 <bjoern_> well, your everyday female science fiction tv series healing superstar
08:50:49 <bjoern_> "Keller", really, but that's german for basement, so...
08:51:06 <bjoern_> You could also go Dr. Stack, but that's just weird...
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08:51:30 <bjoern_> .wik Dr. Weir
08:51:34 <phenny> "Doctor Elizabeth Weir is a fictional character in the science fiction television series Stargate Atlantis." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dr._Weir
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09:40:13 <bjoern_> .wik Bodhipakkhiyadhamma
09:40:16 <phenny> Can't find anything in Wikipedia for "Bodhipakkhiyadhamma".
09:42:09 <bjoern_> .wik Schnitzelmitkartoffelsalat
09:42:12 <phenny> "Schnitzelmitkartoffelsalat (literally 'Schnitzelwithpotatosalad', schnitzel with potato salad) is a German phrase that is used to test the operations of search engines and the methods of search engine optimization." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schnitzelmitkartoffelsalat
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10:37:15 <Monty> Thank goodness, mikeday is back!
10:37:17 <phenny> Be quiet, Monty.
10:37:21 <Monty> It seems that tear-wrenching open fanatics dreams of cellophane vast champion >:)
10:38:46 <mikeday> So, does anyone in the world actually use UCS-4 as their XML document encoding?
10:38:48 <est> reall, Monty, hush
10:38:52 <Monty> not what the device that only morons like what are native format disks,
10:38:59 <est> uh..really
10:39:07 <est> mikeday: you mean in a file?
10:39:27 <mikeday> File, HTTP content, anything that sits on disk or goes over the wire
10:40:00 <mikeday> In-memory representations don't count, as a 4-byte "encoding" is reasonable in that situation
10:40:37 <mikeday> but does anyone, anywhere, send or store XML documents in UCS-4?
10:40:53 <mikeday> (I'm thinking no, but it's a big planet)
10:41:38 <est> not that i know of, but i dont know much about that
10:42:29 <darobin> mikeday: I really don't think so
10:42:56 <darobin> even as an in mem rep, it's still extremely costly and prolly doesn't make all that much sense
10:43:04 <mikeday> dropping support for UCS-4 makes life easier if you want to write an XML parser
10:43:16 <mikeday> and the XML specification only requires that you support UTF-8 and UTF-16
10:43:17 <darobin> I could be wrong but I strongly suspect that UCS-4 was an academic exercise
10:43:31 <darobin> oh sure drop support for it
10:43:46 <mikeday> Here is what bugs me: imagine you read the first two bytes of an XML file
10:44:05 <mikeday> you see "FF FE"; what encoding is the file?
10:44:19 <bjoern_> You don't know.
10:44:33 <mikeday> two possibilities: UCS-4 little endian, or UTF-16 little endian
10:44:49 <est> mikeday: give it a day..everyone on channel will weigh in :)
10:44:49 <bjoern_> no, an infinite number of possibilities.
10:44:58 <mikeday> two distinguish them you need to read two more bytes and see if they're zero
10:45:30 <bjoern_> The XML 1.0 Recommendation does not define how to detect the encoding of otherwise unlabeled streams.
10:45:40 <bjoern_> It gives some hints but they are not normative.
10:45:46 <mikeday> bjoern: "F.1 Detection Without External Encoding Information"
10:45:54 <bjoern_> Which is not normative.
10:46:03 <mikeday> Indeed.
10:46:04 * est does normy dance
10:46:12 * mikeday looks speculatively at every XML 1.0 implementation in existence
10:46:32 <mikeday> given that no parser reports "infinite number of possible encodings" and promptly dies
10:47:10 <mikeday> it seems reasonable to treat FF FE 00 00 as a UCS-4 byte order mark
10:47:12 <bjoern_> oh, in most cases you can guess one encoding; but you never truly know what it is really encoded in. In the eye of the original author.
10:47:46 <mikeday> Well, you do: just look at the encoding attribute
10:47:54 <bjoern_> how?
10:47:57 <mikeday> but in order to look at the encoding attribute you need to be able to decode it
10:48:04 <bjoern_> exactly.
10:48:29 <bjoern_> So you decode with all encodings you know, and then narrow it down.
10:48:46 <mikeday> however, UTF-16 does not require an XML declaration or encoding attribute
10:50:06 <mikeday> if no one in the world uses UCS-4, then seeing "FF FE" should be enough to assume UTF-16 little endian
10:50:19 <mikeday> without the need to peek ahead two more bytes
10:51:09 <bjoern_> well, if it is an xml document, and utf-32 encoded, then treating it thusly would yield in an error
10:51:24 <bjoern_> just like if you don't support utf-32 in the first place
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10:51:37 <bjoern_> the only difference is the error message you might generate
10:52:10 <bjoern_> http://search.cpan.org/dist/HTML-Encoding/ is how I implemented things most recently
10:53:10 <mikeday> HTML is yet more complicated with meta element etc.
10:53:41 <est> well..expat doesnt handle it
10:54:10 <mikeday> expat doesn't handle UCS-4?
10:54:15 <est> yeah
10:54:19 <mikeday> awesome :)
10:54:24 <est> hehe
10:54:31 <mikeday> libxml2 does, I think
10:54:49 <bjoern_> What really matters is EBCDIC...
10:54:59 <mikeday> Yum.
10:55:03 <est> wait
10:55:09 <est> what about baudot
10:55:27 <bjoern_> .gc ROPQVP
10:55:28 <est> the most sublime of encodings
10:55:30 <phenny> ROPQVP: 1
10:55:35 <bjoern_> !!!
10:55:54 <bjoern_> Google Whack!
10:56:10 <est> i had one the other day
10:56:27 <est> dont remember what it was
10:56:47 <bjoern_> ROPQVP is rot13(EBCDIC) ...
10:56:55 <bjoern_> @rot13 EBCDIC
10:56:56 <supybot> bjoern_: ROPQVP
10:57:06 <bjoern_> @supybot++
10:57:08 <bjoern_> @karma
10:57:09 <supybot> bjoern_: Highest karma: "sbp" (28), "jcowan" (11), and "crschmidt" (9). Lowest karma: "supybot" (-55), "sh1mmer" (-24), and "02g04o08o02g03l04e" (-5). You (bjoern_) are ranked 6 out of 160.
10:57:21 <bjoern_> week! my eyes.
10:57:27 <est> how you get karma
10:57:40 <bjoern_> My getting people to say @est++
10:57:46 <est> aha
10:57:59 <est> someone may have done that..how do i check?
10:58:05 <bjoern_> @karma est
10:58:06 <supybot> bjoern_: Error: TypeError: argument 2 to map() must support iteration
10:58:10 <bjoern_> no one did
10:58:16 * est cry
10:58:21 <mikeday> heh, nice error message.
10:58:22 <bjoern_> @karma Monty
10:58:23 <supybot> bjoern_: Karma for "Monty" has been increased 10 times and decreased 5 times for a total karma of 5.
10:58:24 <Monty> back in Perl..."
10:58:26 <Monty> Put them really- for doing the weekend good?
10:58:33 <darobin> @karma darobin
10:58:34 <supybot> darobin: Error: TypeError: argument 2 to map() must support iteration
10:58:37 <darobin> lovely!
10:58:42 <bjoern_> @darobin--
10:58:49 <darobin> but it sucks that it requires the @ to work
10:58:52 <est> oh my
10:59:01 <darobin> @supybot--
10:59:48 <est> ok, let's not have karma war now!
11:00:42 <bjoern_> twe, please summon teh mighty karma beast Monty!
11:00:45 <Monty> existentialism's commands eats phonological Michael Fielding...
11:00:57 <twe> bjoern_: I'll pass that on when monty is a mighty good word for everything. There's usually a node of the beast.
11:00:59 <Monty> meal's websites stocks bubbly sandwich...
11:01:23 *** bjoern_ changed the topic to: "<twe> bjoern_: I'll pass that on when monty is a mighty good word for everything. There's usually a node of the beast."
11:01:57 <mikeday> Node of the beast? Sounds like DOM to me.
11:02:15 <bjoern_> It means HTML nodes.
11:02:50 <bjoern_> .gc "Super Saver Shipping"
11:02:52 <phenny> "Super Saver Shipping": 10,200,000
11:05:05 <mikeday> Hmm, without UCS-4 you can parse the encoding declaration one byte at a time using a state machine with no putback/lookahead.
11:05:18 <mikeday> Maybe that is what expat does, I've never checked the expat source.
11:09:41 * mikeday checks the expat source
11:09:47 <mikeday> Scarier than libxml2 even.
11:13:51 <darobin> well it's an XML parser, what do you expect?
11:14:35 <est> mikeday hasnt made the code pretty yet
11:15:02 <mikeday> To be honest a lot of it looks auto-generated from higher level code
11:15:11 <mikeday> but perhaps that higher level code only exists in James Clark's brain?
11:15:30 <bjoern_> You should look at the OpenJade code.
11:15:47 <bjoern_> Especially the comments. Both of them.
11:15:58 <darobin> or Jing...
11:16:02 <est> that funny
11:16:09 <bjoern_> there is Jing source code?
11:16:21 <darobin> yes]
11:16:27 <mikeday> heh
11:16:28 <darobin> well
11:16:40 <darobin> it might be easier to read the bytecode in places
11:16:49 <bjoern_> hmm, I vaguely recollect some code that rewrote XML Schema REs into Java REs by jjc, maybe that was from Jing?
11:17:06 <mikeday> case 0x24: /* $ */
11:17:12 <mikeday> why not just "case '$':"
11:17:24 <bjoern_> portability.
11:17:48 <est> well, of course!
11:18:05 <est> '$' is non-portable
11:18:05 <est> tri-graph issues
11:18:25 <est> actually
11:18:27 <mikeday> how many people compile expat with anything other than gcc?
11:18:32 <est> im just making that up :)
11:18:38 <bjoern_> I do.
11:18:44 <est> ..but you know..it could be!
11:18:54 <bjoern_> I suspect virtually all Win32 users would.
11:19:06 <est> yeah, mikeday, that's def too insular
11:19:07 <mikeday> s/gcc/a compiler that supports trigraphs/
11:19:09 <darobin> mikeday: people on Windows, and folks building it for phones or embedded OSes
11:19:10 <est> ..for something like expat
11:19:40 <bjoern_> Or people with ICC licenses
11:19:45 <mikeday> :)
11:19:55 <mikeday> but seriously, tri-graphs?
11:20:03 <darobin> you'd be surprised how bad some of the compilers for embedded platforms can be
11:20:15 <est> mikeday: i said i was making that up!
11:20:26 <mikeday> Is it perhaps that '$' can evaluate to something else on an EBCDIC machine?
11:20:32 <est> though i dont know it's *not* true
11:20:45 <est> yes, could be
11:21:23 <mikeday> I thought most embedded development platforms used gcc-variants
11:21:34 <mikeday> saves time to just write a new backend
11:22:09 <darobin> the smart ones yes
11:22:12 <darobin> they're not all smart
11:22:14 <est> yeah $ is *not a tri-graph character..i just checked
11:22:22 <darobin> no, sorry, bar that
11:22:30 <darobin> the less dumb ones yes
11:22:31 * est like "backend"
11:22:34 <est> :o
11:22:57 <darobin> but since they're largely fucktards, many get even that wrong
11:24:07 <mikeday> libxml2 has one #define for every 207 lines of code
11:24:15 <mikeday> expat has one #define for every 43 lines of code
11:25:19 <mikeday> how's that for a meaningless statistic.
11:26:36 <mikeday> #define ASCII_A 0x41
11:26:39 <est> pretty solidly uninteresting
11:26:39 <bjoern_> ooh, there is a Guidelines for the preparation of programming language standards Standard
11:26:54 <est> would you suggest a different value?
11:28:06 <mikeday> no, I just find it cute.
11:28:20 <mikeday> #define SEVENTEEN 17
11:28:29 <mikeday> (ok, I made that one up).
11:28:38 <bjoern_> .gc "define SEVENTEEN 17"
11:28:42 <phenny> "define SEVENTEEN 17": 5
11:29:03 <bjoern_> .gc "define SEVENTEEN 107"
11:29:06 <phenny> "define SEVENTEEN 107": 0
11:29:51 <mikeday> #define TRUE 0 / FALSE 1 would be scarier
11:30:03 <mikeday> or #define TRUE 1 / FALSE 2 for that matter
11:30:09 <mikeday> or TRUE 1, FALSE -1
11:30:14 <bjoern_> For that see thedailywtf.com
11:30:14 <mikeday> and so on.
11:31:04 <mikeday> Oh, yuck: a lot of the complexity in expat is because namespaces are optional
11:31:13 <mikeday> so ':' is allowed or not in names
11:31:23 <mikeday> which requires all kinds of #ifdef hackery
11:31:37 <est> dont you even get to define the namespace separator?
11:32:22 <mikeday> hmm, I'm thinking no, given that BT_COLON is hardwired everywhere
11:32:36 <mikeday> not to mention that allowing users to redefine the namespace separator would be batshit insane :)
11:34:04 <mikeday> I wonder if expat supports XML 1.1
11:34:16 <mikeday> that would be another dozen #ifdefs right there
11:34:47 <mikeday> doesn't look like it...
11:38:42 <mikeday> excuse me
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11:41:25 <bjoern_> .wik EVD
11:41:29 <phenny> "The Enhanced Versatile Disc (EVD) was announced on November 18, 2003 by China's Xinhua news agency as a response to the popular DVD Video format and its licensing costs (which some considered excessive)." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EVD
11:45:13 <est> ah..expat allows you to set the namespace separator used in the strings it hands back to you
11:49:28 <est> weird
11:53:30 <darobin> you mean so you can get http://foo/bar|localName ?
11:55:28 <est> yeah
11:55:57 <est> afaict
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12:42:39 <bjoern_> .gc "RECTIFICATIF TECHNIQUE"
12:42:42 <phenny> "RECTIFICATIF TECHNIQUE": 1,160
12:43:19 <darobin> yes bjoern_?
12:43:30 <darobin> practising your standard French?
12:44:36 <bjoern_> you know, whenever I hear "rect" I think "rectum"
12:44:59 <bjoern_> also, fick is german for fuck
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12:52:44 <darobin> heh
12:53:08 <darobin> I think that just shows that you were meant to learn French :)
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13:45:48 <sbp> "This is a very peculiar place. Everyone eats so many fried potatoes. And the coffee is so expensive. It is no place for a poor Swedish pensioner."
13:45:55 <sbp> - http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,,1963944,00.html
13:47:44 <sbp> man, that's a story and a half
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14:14:36 <bjoern_> .calc phi * 3
14:14:38 <phenny> the golden ratio * 3 = 4.85410197
14:15:15 <bjoern_> .calc phi * pi
14:15:18 <phenny> the golden ratio * pi = 5.08320369
14:16:19 <bjoern_> .calc phi * pi^3
14:16:22 <phenny> the golden ratio * (pi^3) = 50.1692095
14:18:55 <sbp> "many pickpockets operated during the public hangings of their fellow pickpockets, exploiting the inherent interest of the scene to steal with relative ease"
14:18:56 <sbp> - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/6210986.stm
14:19:14 <est_> sbp: did you see mikeday's ucs-4 question?
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14:20:21 <sbp> nope?
14:20:27 * sbp looks up
14:22:09 <Jabberwock> ??towelie
14:22:10 <eel> # problem: Failed: Undefined variable: e
14:22:12 <est> asking if anyone used ucs-4 as a file or network format
14:22:17 <Jabberwock> ??toweli%
14:22:18 <eel> # problem: <NullPointerException>
14:22:22 <Jabberwock> :o
14:22:32 <Jabberwock> ??toweli%n9999999999999999
14:22:32 <eel> # value: 9
14:22:36 <Jabberwock> ??toweli%n
14:22:37 <eel> # problem: Failed: Undefined variable: n
14:22:43 <Kriegel> ??die
14:22:43 <eel> # problem: Failed: Undefined variable: e
14:22:47 <Kriegel> ??di
14:22:47 <eel> # problem: Failed: Undefined variable: i
14:22:49 <Jabberwock> ??toweli%__FILE__
14:22:50 <eel> # syntax error:
14:22:53 <Kriegel> ??d
14:22:53 <eel> # problem: Failed: Undefined variable: d
14:22:56 <Kriegel> ???
14:22:57 <eel> # problem: <NullPointerException>
14:23:19 <Jabberwock> eel == java?
14:23:25 <sbp> sounds like he's worried about peeking four bytes instead of two?
14:23:26 <Jabberwock> Why yes it is
14:23:37 <Jabberwock> ?lkfhkfh
14:23:38 <eel> # problem: Failed: Undefined variable: lkfhkfh
14:23:42 <sbp> .wik E language
14:23:46 <phenny> Can't find anything in Wikipedia for "E language".
14:23:51 <Jabberwock> .wik towelie
14:23:52 <sbp> .wik E (language)
14:23:55 <phenny> "Towelie, (also known as Toweleeeie or Stephen McTowelie), is a recurring character in the animated series South Park." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Towelie
14:23:58 <phenny> Can't find anything in Wikipedia for "E (language)".
14:24:02 <sbp> mmmffrfmf
14:24:09 <Jabberwock> ??dieyou%s
14:24:10 <eel> # problem: Failed: Undefined variable: s
14:24:13 <Jabberwock> ??dieyou%%
14:24:13 <eel> # problem: <NullPointerException>
14:24:15 <sbp> .g site:en.wikipedia.org E programming language
14:24:21 <phenny> sbp: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E_programming_language
14:24:22 <kpreid> that % is bizarre
14:24:27 <sbp> .wik E programming language
14:24:31 <phenny> "E is an object-oriented programming language for secure distributed computing, created by Mark S. Miller and others at Electric Communities in 1997." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E_programming_language
14:24:31 <kpreid> Jabberwock: the prefix is ?, not ??
14:24:32 <sbp> THERE
14:24:43 <est> sbp: i guess
14:24:56 <Jabberwock> ?not??
14:24:57 <eel> # syntax error:
14:24:58 <eel> # not??
14:24:59 <eel> # ^
14:25:00 <eel> # @ <irc://chat.freenode.net/swhack?Jabberwock#:span::1:3::1:3>
14:25:00 * sbp needs to hook up .wik misses to .g site:en.wikipedia.org -> .wik
14:25:04 <Jabberwock> heh
14:25:23 <Jabberwock> eel is sickly
14:25:32 <Jabberwock> That's what you get for running a java bot
14:25:41 <Jabberwock> that apparently has no security measures in place
14:25:48 <Jabberwock> (except for exceptions)
14:25:58 <est> sbp: maybe even some of the non-misses
14:26:14 <sbp> Jabberwock: except it's an E bot
14:26:19 <est> ..i mean all of them
14:26:30 <kpreid> "no security measures"?
14:26:32 <Jabberwock> /whois eel
14:26:45 <kpreid> I don't see that you've managed to do anything to my system
14:26:46 <sbp> AAAARGH JAVA
14:26:49 <Jabberwock> kpreid: Yeah it seems like it'd be vulnerable to format string injections
14:26:52 <kpreid> it's doing exactly what it's supposed to do
14:26:59 <sbp> evils, eevils
14:27:06 <Jabberwock> kpreid: Suck?
14:27:10 <kpreid> Jabberwock: there are no format strings involved.
14:27:43 <Jabberwock> kpreid: I'd question the stability of a bot that let me produce exceptions
14:27:54 <Jabberwock> especially null pointer exceptions
14:27:59 <darobin> sbp: thanks for that pensioner's trip article, it's amazing!
14:28:06 <sbp> darobin: hehe, isn't it just?
14:28:07 <crschmidt> .calc 1 / 0
14:28:10 <phenny> crschmidt: Sorry, no result.
14:28:11 <kpreid> oh, well, the last is a particular known bug in the parser
14:28:14 <crschmidt> .exec 1 / 0
14:28:19 <sbp> I love the fact that they reported his Swedish-influenced-English more or less verbatim too
14:28:22 <crschmidt> hm
14:28:30 <crschmidt> thought i was on phenny's exec list
14:28:30 <kpreid> it does that when parsing incomplete expressions that end with EOF instead of \n
14:28:31 <Jabberwock> ?0??
14:28:31 <eel> # syntax error:
14:28:32 <eel> # 0??
14:28:33 <eel> # ^
14:28:34 <eel> # @ <irc://chat.freenode.net/swhack?Jabberwock#:span::1:1::1:1>
14:28:40 <sbp> crschmidt: yep, you are
14:28:45 <Jabberwock> None of my expressions end in EOF
14:28:45 <kpreid> right, ? in that place is a syntax error
14:28:50 <sbp> I changed the command so that I didn't .exec stuff on multiple bots
14:28:50 <darobin> yes, no point in changing it :)
14:28:54 <kpreid> sure they do, as the parser receives them
14:28:57 <sbp> for phenny, it's "phenny: exec ..." now
14:29:04 <Jabberwock> kpreid: Should it be spitting those out publically?
14:29:05 <crschmidt> sbp: ah
14:29:05 <sbp> phenny: exec 1/0
14:29:10 <Jabberwock> Okay. You win. Your bot is friggin awesome.
14:29:11 <sbp> ...
14:29:11 <kpreid> Jabberwock: that's its *point*
14:29:13 <sbp> eval, even
14:29:14 <Jabberwock> I want a pirc java bot.
14:29:18 <kpreid> Jabberwock: The *purpose* is to eval E code
14:29:20 <sbp> phenny: eval 1/0
14:29:20 <Jabberwock> No no. Don't get angry. You rule.
14:29:28 <Jabberwock> You are *the man*
14:29:28 <sbp> man, maybe it's still .eval
14:29:31 <kpreid> If it hid all the errors, then you wouldn't be able to debug your code.
14:29:32 <sbp> .eval 1/0
14:29:34 <Jabberwock> Where can I download that bot?
14:29:35 <phenny> ZeroDivisionError: integer division or modulo by zero (file "/home/sbp/phenny/modules/admin.py", line 63, in f_eval)
14:29:35 <locbot> ZeroDivisionError: integer division or modulo by zero (file "/home/crschmidt/bot/locbotfree/modules/admin.py", line 63, in f_eval)
14:29:38 <crschmidt> there we go
14:29:40 <crschmidt> exceptions!
14:29:40 <Jabberwock> Really dude. Stop justifying it.
14:29:44 <sbp> okay. I meant to change it...
14:29:44 <Jabberwock> I want it. I love your bot.
14:29:48 <Jabberwock> Where can I download it?
14:29:50 <crschmidt> Okay, Jabberwock, you're banned from my mind
14:29:55 <kpreid> Jabberwock: Please quit with the sarcasm.
14:30:43 <Jabberwock> kpreid: Na.. I think I'll continue
14:30:48 <kpreid> also, PircBot is an IRC library. (<http://jibble.org/pircbot.php>)
14:31:05 <est> what would be ultimate cool would be if an exception dropped you into a break repl session right on a separate channel
14:31:06 <kpreid> eel is written using pircbot
14:31:42 <kpreid> eel's source is, iirc, not available. no particular reason for that though
14:31:43 <bjoern_> [[[
14:31:44 <bjoern_> On the sixth day of Christmas my true love sent to me,
14:31:44 <bjoern_> Six versions of Perl,
14:31:44 <bjoern_> FIVE LANGUAGES COMPILING!
14:31:44 <bjoern_> Four bytes of bytecode,
14:31:44 <bjoern_> Three POST nodes,
14:31:46 <bjoern_> Two ASTs,
14:31:48 <bjoern_> And a Partridge with a parse tree.
14:31:50 <bjoern_> ]]]
14:32:20 <crschmidt> hm
14:32:21 <Jabberwock> kpreid: Dude the bot sucks :P
14:32:25 <crschmidt> julie used to know eel's homepage
14:32:32 <est> FIVE LANGUAGES COMPILING! sounds like a dish on a <foo> menu
14:32:33 <bjoern_> you made julie forget
14:32:39 <crschmidt> yep
14:32:40 * Jabberwock cuddles with crschmidt
14:32:52 <kpreid> Jabberwock: Dude you don't understand why it exists :P
14:33:00 <Jabberwock> kpreid: You're right :D
14:33:09 <Jabberwock> Monty: Why does eel exist?
14:33:10 <Monty> L5T:webby
14:33:15 <Jabberwock> That's helpful.
14:33:17 <kpreid> I admit that the NullPointerException thing should be fixed
14:33:25 <kpreid> but it is in fact harmless
14:34:08 <Jabberwock> http://www.cs.uvic.ca/~nigelh/Publications/ExploitingExceptions.pdf
14:35:02 <Jabberwock> It's from a Canadian source, so take it lightly.
14:36:55 <kpreid> Er, that paper is about optimization.
14:37:36 <Jabberwock> http://www.google.com/search?q=exploiting+NullPointerException&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
14:37:43 <Jabberwock> FIX YOUR FABULOUS BOT
14:37:48 <Jabberwock> sinner.
14:39:26 <sbp> .origin Jabberwock
14:39:34 <d8uv> Jabberwock: Please quit with the existing
14:39:43 <phenny> First saw Jabberwock on #swhack at 2006-03-27 22:08:36, saying 'Does anyone do asm/shellcoding on x86/linux?' (see http://swhack.com/logs/2006-03-27#T22-08-36)
14:39:53 <Jabberwock> d8uv: I'm going to violate you with my spiny tail.
14:40:17 <Jabberwock> That's the first time I came here?
14:40:22 <Jabberwock> I could swear it was before that.
14:40:42 <Jabberwock> .origin Thoth
14:40:43 <Jabberwock> .origin Evil
14:40:52 <Jabberwock> though I doubt it was with those nicks.
14:40:58 <d8uv> Yeah it's ONLY been 8 months Jabberwock. Feel like a lot more though
14:41:11 <Jabberwock> yeah. lots of pain.
14:41:14 <kpreid> Jabberwock: Thanks, though, you've reminded me that I ought to write up a bug report for the parser.
14:41:20 <phenny> Can't find info about Thoth*.
14:41:23 <phenny> First saw EvilDJ on #swhack at 2002-04-07 05:57:22, who then first said "Since this is my first post here I just want to say that squirrels make my underpants dance in the summer acid rain. It's a lot like cremating a jelly fish." (see http://swhack.com/logs/2002-04-07#T05-57-22)
14:41:30 <Jabberwock> bah that's not me.
14:41:38 <Jabberwock> hahaha that's funny though
14:41:56 <Jabberwock> That sure as hell looks like something I'd type
14:42:03 * Jabberwock wonders
14:42:19 <Jabberwock> I think that is me.
14:42:39 <Jabberwock> Na it can't be. I wasn't on freenode in 02
14:42:49 <Jabberwock> Wow. I must have a double. They think the same way I do
14:43:05 <d8uv> Retarded?
14:43:12 <Jabberwock> Eccentric
14:43:18 <est> .origin est
14:43:20 <d8uv> So Retarded.
14:43:24 <Jabberwock> I was on freenode in 02 but very rarely
14:43:26 <phenny> First saw est on #swhack at 2006-02-01 15:44:13, who then first said ':)' (see http://swhack.com/logs/2006-02-01#T15-44-13)
14:43:56 <est> well, that's pleasant :)
14:44:02 <Jabberwock> lol
14:44:12 <d8uv> I know my origin was on the first hour or so of swhack, resurrection #3
14:44:29 <Jabberwock> d8uv: You are a god among mear mortals
14:45:08 <Jabberwock> ... but you are not a jedi yet
14:45:38 <d8uv> But I am an op
14:45:56 <bjoern_> twedi a twe is
14:45:59 <Jabberwock> I spit mome rath intestinal juice on your @
14:46:02 <twe> bjoern_: Twe the twe twe.
14:46:13 <kpreid> hey, that's going a bit far
14:46:22 <Jabberwock> sbp: Where's my @!?
14:46:57 <sbp> your @? in #hackers, I think?
14:46:58 <Jabberwock> see when I need you you're nowhere around.
14:47:04 * darobin starts worshipping d8uv
14:47:04 <sbp> I'm right here!
14:47:15 <Jabberwock> No one comes into #hackers.
14:47:21 <sbp> so I just grepped logs
14:47:28 <sbp> it looks like the Great #hackers Takeover was in 2006-04
14:47:37 <Jabberwock> yeah?
14:47:38 <Jabberwock> :P
14:47:41 <sbp> but you first joined Swhack in 2006-03
14:47:55 <sbp> and I could've sworn I had no clue who you were when we joined #hackers
14:48:04 <Jabberwock> Actually a bunch of you came into #hackers and harassed me
14:48:08 <sbp> right
14:48:16 <Jabberwock> but then said something along the lines of "You aren't an idiot like everyone else in there" and invited me here
14:48:27 <sbp> then you joined here, right?
14:48:28 <Morbus> unfortunately, we were wrong.
14:48:30 <Jabberwock> yeah
14:48:32 <sbp> see, that's my memory of it too
14:48:38 <d8uv> But the problem is you ARE an idiot
14:48:41 <sbp> but the logs say that you joined like a month before then
14:48:42 <crschmidt> Everyone makes mistakes
14:48:53 <Jabberwock> d8uv: You're hysterical man.
14:49:02 <Jabberwock> Hey if you all want me to leave just say so :)
14:49:15 <bjoern_> crschmidt: that's blasphemy!
14:49:22 * sbp does further grepping
14:49:27 <crschmidt> bjoern_: You're right! Only you make mistakes.
14:49:31 <Jabberwock> There are hundreds of channels to act like a buffoon in
14:49:40 <bjoern_> Hurray, I'm special!
14:49:53 <darobin> bjoern_: that's a mistake
14:49:58 <kpreid> buffoonery begets buffoonery in #swhack
14:50:18 <Jabberwock> sbp: btw I haven't forgotton about your blog PSD
14:50:26 <Jabberwock> I've just been battling other things. I'm sorry
14:50:40 <sbp> ah! now I get it! you just joined for a few minutes. we just didn't see you
14:50:41 * Jabberwock doesn't usually not do something he says when he says he'll do it
14:50:45 <sbp> no problem
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14:51:10 <sbp> hehe
14:51:10 <sbp> 2006-04-11.txt:21:31:30 <d8uv> 17:24 -!- d8uv was kicked from #hackers by Jabberwock [lame] <- ABOUT TIME
14:51:11 <darobin> Jabberwock: if you're looking for places where buffoons can prosper there's a sanctuary at http://lists.uni-klu.ac.at/mailman/listinfo/mpeg-laser
14:51:22 <Jabberwock> !?
14:51:22 <swhask> Maybe you meant: . v
14:51:36 <Jabberwock> darobin: mpeg laser?
14:51:47 <sbp> . v?!
14:51:49 <darobin> it's full of buffoons!
14:51:54 *** d8uv has quit ("Lost terminal")
14:51:58 <Jabberwock> sbp: can I see that log?
14:52:00 *** bjoern_ (n=bjoern@dslb-084-057-229-243.pools.arcor-ip.net) has joined #swhack
14:52:15 <darobin> and he is bjoern_ again!
14:52:23 *** d8uv (n=d8uv@bia.crschmidt.net) has joined #swhack
14:52:24 <sbp> oh, yes!
14:52:29 <Jabberwock> damn it seems like I've been here a lot longer.
14:52:29 <sbp> you don't even know what happened
14:52:34 <sbp> Jabberwock: http://swhack.com/logs/2006-04-11#T20-54-14
14:52:44 <sbp> the bit above it is essential reading too
14:52:50 <sbp> but doesn't make sense if you don't know Swhack History
14:52:53 <sbp> so I'll explain:
14:52:56 <Jabberwock> <d8uv> 17:22 <@Jabberwock> just when you think you're away from dalnet, dalnet comes
14:52:59 <Jabberwock> hey it's true
14:53:15 <sbp> because we've got "hack" as a substring of the channel name, we used to get a lot of script kiddies in
14:53:33 <sbp> and it became a general Thing of making as much comedy out of them as possible
14:53:40 <sbp> but for some reason, they've dwindled a bit recently
14:53:55 <sbp> so, as I say in the logs, I suggested we move to #hackers, not knowing that there was already someone in there...
14:53:56 <Jabberwock> Oh yeah.. I was looking for ways around libc addresses that had null bytes in them
14:54:06 <sbp> so then we treated #hackers like most people had treated #swhack in the past
14:54:16 <Jabberwock> ohhh.
14:54:25 <sbp> only for some reason you let us take over the channel, so we were laughing our *asses* off
14:54:29 <sbp> as you'll see from the logs. hehe
14:54:57 <Jabberwock> I don't see that.
14:54:59 <sbp> but then obviously we took pity since you weren't in on the joke, and invited you here
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14:55:06 <sbp> ah, maybe it was in [off] or a backchannel
14:55:18 <kpreid> .compare backchannel frontchannel sidechannel
14:55:19 <sbp> I thought I'd explained at the time what went on. guess not!
14:55:22 <phenny> backchannel (326,000), sidechannel (29,200), frontchannel (729)
14:55:27 <Jabberwock> Oh well :P
14:55:34 <sbp> better late than never, and all that crap
14:55:37 <kpreid> .compare backchannel back-channel sidechannel side-channel
14:55:38 <Jabberwock> you and I had a lot of God conversations
14:55:41 <phenny> back-channel (806,000), side-channel (465,000), backchannel (326,000), sidechannel (29,200)
14:55:54 <Jabberwock> So what? You guys want #hackers back?
14:56:02 <kpreid> .compare "god conversations" "good conversations" "god conversions"
14:56:07 <sbp> hehe, nope. it was just a joke
14:56:09 <phenny> "good conversations" (285,000), "god conversations" (9,570), "god conversions" (289)
14:56:38 <sbp> as with most things, it just got a bit out of hand :-)
14:56:38 <Jabberwock> where is the take-over bit? I don't see that
14:56:50 <Jabberwock> You were pulling a joke on the wrong person.. lol
14:56:56 <Jabberwock> 99% of the time I don't care
14:57:29 <sbp> bah, me neither. as I say, we might've been [off] or backchanneling
14:57:35 <Jabberwock> hrm
14:57:43 <sbp> it just took me like quarter of an hour to find the incident at all
14:57:44 <kpreid> Jabberwock: Thanks for the reminder, even if it was annoying the way you put it. I've now posted the bug report I should have written a long time ago: http://www.eros-os.org/pipermail/e-lang/2006-December/011677.html
14:58:00 * sbp barely remembers yesterday
14:58:12 <Jabberwock> kpreid: Don't get offended when I poke at code you didn't write :P
14:58:24 <Jabberwock> Fine job btw
14:58:43 <Jabberwock> Well if you guys want access in #hackers let me know
14:58:53 <sbp> heheh. thanks
14:59:01 * sbp switches computers to try to find the logs
14:59:12 <Jabberwock> It's pointless being there seeing as I'm the only one, but there is always that trivial hope that some day a few smart people will join and form a community
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14:59:57 <Jabberwock> What was the take-over about anyway?
15:00:12 <Jabberwock> I recall joining #hackers and registering it with no problems..
15:00:17 <Jabberwock> Right around the time you said it was taken over
15:00:34 <bjoern_> Take Over Tuesday is celebrated weekly on #swhack.
15:00:45 <kpreid> Jabberwock: all I was irritated with was when you seemed to ignore my explanation that it was an evaluator bot that's supposed to report errors from running user code
15:01:27 <Jabberwock> kpreid: I have to admit seeing a bot spit errors out into channel doesn't build my faith in its stabilty
15:01:33 <Jabberwock> +the
15:01:50 <kpreid> well, it's as stable as the input :-)
15:01:57 <kpreid> ? 1 + false
15:01:58 <eel> # problem: <ClassCastException: Boolean doesn't coerce to a Number>
15:01:59 <d8uv> I have to admit the seeing a bot spit errors out into channel doesn't build my faith in its stabilty?
15:02:11 <Jabberwock> kpreid: You're kidding, right/ :P
15:02:25 <Jabberwock> d8uv: "into the channel" :)
15:02:28 <kpreid> I mean, if the input has errors, it will tell you the error
15:02:46 * kpreid has to go do something else now
15:02:54 <kpreid> as I just demonstrated
15:02:57 <Jabberwock> kpreid: Isn't trusting that user input will be stable what caused the smashing the stack article to be written?
15:03:11 *** MoiraA (i=moira@gateway/tor/x-cccd507e5515956b) has joined #swhack
15:03:11 <Monty> Thank goodness, MoiraA is back!
15:03:14 <phenny> Be quiet, Monty.
15:03:14 <Monty> Do you feel strongly about discussing such things ?
15:03:27 <d8uv> ? haxor kpreid's box
15:03:28 <eel> # syntax error:
15:03:29 <eel> # haxor kpreid's box
15:03:30 <eel> # ^
15:03:31 <eel> # @ <irc://chat.freenode.net/swhack?d8uv#:span::1:12::1:12>
15:03:34 <Jabberwock> Monty: I'm going to stroke you like a bitch.
15:03:34 <Monty> What does that similarity suggest to you ?
15:04:01 <d8uv> ? haxor kpreid\'s box?
15:04:01 <eel> # syntax error:
15:04:02 <eel> # haxor kpreid\'s box?
15:04:02 <Jabberwock> ?yourock0x0
15:04:03 <eel> # ^
15:04:04 <eel> # @ <irc://chat.freenode.net/swhack?d8uv#:span::1:12::1:12>
15:04:05 <eel> # problem: Failed: Undefined variable: yourock0x0
15:04:10 <Jabberwock> ?yourock%0x0
15:04:11 <eel> # problem: Failed: Undefined variable: yourock
15:04:26 <d8uv> ? ^____________^
15:04:27 <eel> # problem: <NullPointerException>
15:04:29 <Jabberwock> ?%Stability
15:04:29 <eel> # syntax error:
15:04:30 <eel> # %Stability
15:04:31 <eel> # ^
15:04:32 <eel> # @ <irc://chat.freenode.net/swhack?Jabberwock#:span::1:0::1:0>
15:04:35 <Jabberwock> ?heh%Stability
15:04:36 <eel> # problem: Failed: Undefined variable: heh
15:04:44 <d8uv> ?_?
15:04:44 <eel> # syntax error:
15:04:45 <Jabberwock> well that joke bombed
15:04:45 <eel> # _?
15:04:46 <eel> # ^
15:04:47 <eel> # @ <irc://chat.freenode.net/swhack?d8uv#:span::1:0::1:0>
15:04:57 <kpreid> the bug appears to be that "?" line comments turn into whatever their *last character* lexes as
15:05:01 <sbp> Jabberwock: as I say, we were parodying what people do in this channel. specifically, the neo85 incident it seems
15:05:06 <kpreid> so ?foo is the variable 'o'
15:05:14 <sbp> (found the logs)
15:05:21 <Jabberwock> Who is/was neo85?
15:05:26 <kpreid> (_ is only legal as a pattern, not an expression, and % isn't a prefix operator)
15:05:44 <Jabberwock> kpreid: I don't know java otherwise I'd try to have more fun
15:05:52 <kpreid> it doesn't eval java, it evals E
15:06:00 <Jabberwock> oh
15:06:08 <kpreid> implementation in Java is a couple layers down :)
15:06:14 <Jabberwock> That's even less in my favor
15:06:20 <KragenSitaker> Morbus!
15:06:44 <Jabberwock> ?def your_mom { puts "your mom"; }
15:06:45 <eel> # syntax error:
15:06:46 <eel> # def your_mom { puts "your mom"; }
15:06:47 <eel> # ^
15:06:48 <eel> # @ <irc://chat.freenode.net/swhack?Jabberwock#:span::1:18::1:18>
15:07:03 <kpreid> ? def whatever() { println("whatever") }
15:07:03 <eel> # value: <whatever>
15:07:12 <Jabberwock> ?def your_mom { throw NullPointerException; }
15:07:12 <eel> # syntax error:
15:07:13 <eel> # def your_mom { throw NullPointerException; }
15:07:14 <eel> # ^
15:07:15 <eel> # @ <irc://chat.freenode.net/swhack?Jabberwock#:span::1:19::1:19>
15:07:22 <Jabberwock> :/ E is bad for you.
15:07:41 <d8uv> ?def your_mom { is fat lol; }
15:07:42 <eel> # syntax error:
15:07:43 <eel> # def your_mom { is fat lol; }
15:07:44 <eel> # ^
15:07:45 <eel> # @ <irc://chat.freenode.net/swhack?d8uv#:span::1:16::1:16>
15:07:54 <kpreid> given def foo { ... } the ... is an object body; it expects methods, not expressions
15:07:57 <kpreid> def foo() {...} on the other hand is a function
15:08:01 <Jabberwock> ?def test {}
15:08:02 <eel> # value: <test>
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15:08:20 <Jabberwock> ?def test { def initialize{}}
15:08:20 <eel> # syntax error:
15:08:20 <sbp> Jabberwock: http://swhack.com/logs/2002-04-05#T15-39-51
15:08:21 <eel> # def test { def initialize{}}
15:08:22 <eel> # ^
15:08:23 <eel> # @ <irc://chat.freenode.net/swhack?Jabberwock#:span::1:13::1:13>
15:08:34 <sbp> the prototypical #swhack skript kiddie comedy
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15:08:44 <kpreid> ? def test { to initialize() { print("Hello #swhack") } }
15:08:45 <eel> # value: <test>
15:08:49 <kpreid> ? test.initialize()
15:08:50 <eel> Hello #swhack -- kpreid
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15:09:40 <Jabberwock> wow..
15:10:11 <Jabberwock> neo85 is synonymous with each of the 2 visitors I get in #hackers every day
15:11:17 <Jabberwock> As a matter of fact someone was in there the other day asking how to hack some online game
15:13:43 <sbp> YOU HAVE TO USE HTTP GRABS
15:13:49 <sbp> the first thing I said in #hackers was: [21:48] <sbp> how I hack web based game?
15:14:50 <Jabberwock> lol
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15:15:38 <KragenSitaker> whee!
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15:18:21 <Jabberwock> I love receiving database in wordperfect dat files.
15:22:48 <Jabberwock> databases, rather.
15:26:27 <monkinetic> hidy ho
15:26:33 <monkinetic> what's the skinny, puppy?
15:27:06 <Jabberwock> wanna get high?
15:27:23 <monkinetic> don't forget you toooooowel!
15:28:43 <Jabberwock> heheheh
15:28:58 <Jabberwock> so am I to understand that there's been a... Towelie Ban?
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16:17:26 <KragenSitaker> hmm, is there a way in CSS to get the foreground of my <h1> to be opaque, but the background color to be partly transparent?
16:18:01 <bjoern_> opacity:...; and color:rgba(...), see http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-color/
16:18:18 <bjoern_> might be implemented using -foo-name names in some browsers.
16:18:54 <bjoern_> or background-color:rgba(...) as you might wish...
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16:28:10 <KragenSitaker> rgba() doesn't work in mozilla
16:28:22 <Jabberwock> You can't change just the background color afaik
16:28:22 <KragenSitaker> it seems to me
16:28:27 <Jabberwock> I mean the opacity of just the background
16:29:06 <Jabberwock> You can create 2 elements, one of which has a lower opacity and then position the other element (text) on top of it and give it a higher z-index
16:29:10 <Jabberwock> if that makes sense
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16:32:49 <Jabberwock> Don't know if you know this or not, but if you create a container around the 2 elements with position:relative;, then you can use position:absolute on the elements themselves, and they will be positioned absolute to the container
16:32:53 <Jabberwock> and not the entire page
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16:33:44 <KragenSitaker> Jabberwock: yeah, i was thinking about that approach
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16:34:02 <KragenSitaker> maybe i will do that at some point
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16:52:59 <sbp> so, getting lines from a file
16:53:35 <sbp> $ echo 'l\np\nq\nr\ns\nt\nwhee\n' | sed -n '/p/,/s/ p'
16:53:35 <sbp> p
16:53:35 <sbp> q
16:53:35 <sbp> r
16:53:35 <sbp> s
16:54:13 <sbp> you can do it the "sed way", since sed treats /p/ , /q/ as a range of the first line with p in it to the first line with q in it, where p and q are patterns that sed supports (extend with -E, I think)
16:54:24 <sbp> does sed keep reading the rest of the file after the last range, though?
16:54:51 <sbp> if so, is there a way to get it to exit?
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16:55:57 <Monty> it's jsled!
16:56:46 <KragenSitaker> why not just use perl?
17:00:46 <Jabberwock> sbp: what're you trying to accomplish?
17:04:36 <perigrin> KragenSitaker, that's crazy talk
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17:59:40 <sbp> perl, lols. crazy talk indeed :-)
17:59:53 <sbp> it was originally done in perl. I was trying to find a single command line equivalent
18:00:59 <KragenSitaker> http://www.flickr.com/photos/86284924@N00/312933510/ very realistic rendering
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18:08:06 <GraveDigger> moin moin :)
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18:11:42 <KragenSitaker> moin
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18:31:45 <perigrin> sbp, perl -e
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18:32:59 <sbp> heh
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18:35:53 <nsh> .ety question
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18:35:56 <phenny> "c.1300, from Anglo-Fr. questiun, O.Fr. question 'legal inquest,' from L. quæstionem (nom. quæstio) 'a seeking, inquiry,' from root of quærere (pp. quæsitus) 'ask, seek.' The verb is first recorded 1470, from O.Fr. questionner (13c.)." - http://etymonline.com/?term=question
18:36:05 <nsh> .ety quest
18:36:09 <phenny> "c.1303, 'a search for something' (esp. of judicial inquiries or hounds seeking game), from O.Fr. queste (Fr. quête), prop. 'the act of seeking,' from M.L. questa 'search, inquiry,' alteration of L. quæsitus, pp. of quærere 'seek, gain, ask.' Romance sense of [...]" - http://etymonline.com/?term=quest
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18:37:15 <nsh> (quaerere of unknown origin)
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19:30:53 <Jabberwock> .wik antikythera
19:30:57 <phenny> Can't find anything in Wikipedia for "antikythera".
19:31:37 <Jabberwock> .wik antikythera mechanism
19:31:45 <phenny> "The Antikythera mechanism (Greek: O μηχανισμός των Αντικυθήρων transliterated as O mēchanismós tōn Antikythērōn) is an ancient mechanical analog computer (as opposed to most computers today which are digital computers) designed to calculate [...]" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antikythera_mechanism
19:31:49 <Jabberwock> wtf
19:31:55 <Jabberwock> that looks awful in console
19:32:14 <sbp> loggy: pointer?
19:32:14 <loggy> http://swhack.com/logs/2006-12-06#T19-32-14
19:32:21 <sbp> Jabberwock: try looking at it in the logs
19:32:37 <Jabberwock> yeah, thanks :>
19:32:41 <sbp> that's what I do when I'm at a dumb term, or in some client with a naff encoding set
19:32:46 <sbp> coughmIRCcough
19:33:22 <sbp> in other channels, I usually paste double encoded stuff in here:
19:33:25 <Jabberwock> Hmm I changed it to utf-8 and it's a little better
19:33:26 <sbp> .g encnorm
19:33:29 <phenny> sbp: http://inamidst.com/encnorm/chardet/
19:33:31 <Jabberwock> *putty)
19:33:32 <Jabberwock> (
19:33:37 <sbp> argh, bad Google
19:33:41 <sbp> .g encnorm -chardet
19:33:44 <phenny> sbp: http://inamidst.com/encnorm/
19:33:53 <Jabberwock> .g jabberwock's lair
19:33:55 <phenny> Jabberwock: http://blizzard.he.net/~jabrwock/
19:33:59 <Jabberwock> bah
19:34:05 <sbp> bad Google
19:34:06 <Jabberwock> .g jabberwock shellcode
19:34:09 <phenny> Jabberwock: http://www.quotesdb.info/freenode/linux/28Mar2006/4.html
19:34:12 <Jabberwock> bah!
19:34:13 <sbp> you must scald it, otherwise it won't learn
19:34:18 <Jabberwock> bad Google
19:34:29 <Jabberwock> .g jabberwock portfolio
19:34:32 <sbp> now we just wait until it indexes this log
19:34:32 <phenny> Jabberwock: http://www.tenebrous.com/portfolio.php
19:34:38 <sbp> and, if I'm right, the problem should be fixed
19:34:42 <Jabberwock> bah!! Google needs to re-index that site
19:34:45 <Jabberwock> I changed it to rails
19:34:54 <Jabberwock> sbp: true :>
19:35:03 <sbp> did all the .php links break, or do you redirect them?
19:35:19 <sbp> oh, I could click and find out
19:35:26 <sbp> they broke. okay
19:35:31 <Jabberwock> yeah it's all rails now (well, the 3 pages that exist)
19:35:37 <sbp> heh
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19:52:53 * Jabberwock eats some soy-yetios
20:00:44 <KragenSitaker> Jabberwock: if the greek looks bad, you should see if you can set things up for utf-8
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20:03:37 <Jabberwock> I'm in utf-8 now
20:03:39 <Jabberwock> it looks better
20:03:47 <Jabberwock> but still a little wacky
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20:08:19 <KragenSitaker> yeah, i don't know how to get it to work 100%
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20:10:11 <bjoern_> If A then X; If ... then not X. "..." is written to suggest that it is the opposite of A even though it is not. What do you call that?
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20:13:05 <KragenSitaker> .wik antikythera mechanism
20:13:11 <phenny> "The Antikythera mechanism (Greek: O μηχανισμός των Αντικυθήρων transliterated as O mēchanismós tōn Antikythērōn) is an ancient mechanical analog computer (as opposed to most computers today which are digital computers) designed to calculate [...]" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antikythera_mechanism
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20:13:45 <jsled> bjoern_: similar to strawman...
20:14:23 <jsled> crossed with negating the antecedent.
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20:14:33 <Monty> hey KragenSitaker
20:14:36 <jsled> http://lgxserver.uniba.it/lei/foldop/foldoc.cgi?negating+the+antecedent+and+the+consequent
20:14:39 <KragenSitaker> .wik antikythera mechanismm
20:14:42 <KragenSitaker> .wik antikythera mechanism
20:14:45 <phenny> Can't find anything in Wikipedia for "antikythera mechanismm".
20:14:45 <phenny> "The Antikythera mechanism (Greek: O μηχανισμός των Αντικυθήρων transliterated as O mēchanismós tōn Antikythērōn) is an ancient mechanical analog computer (as opposed to digital computer) designed to calculate astronomical positions." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antikythera_mechanism
20:15:05 <bjoern_> hmm, not exactly what I mean...
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20:24:04 <Jabberwock> ?
20:25:03 <perigrin> KragenSitaker, /nicked into a bar ...
20:25:18 <perigrin> hmm I don't think that kind of joke will translate well to IRC.
20:30:17 <nsh> .ety stoke
20:30:21 <phenny> "1660 (implied in stoker), 'to feed and stir up a fire in a fireplace,' from Du. stoken 'to stoke,' from M.Du. stoken 'to poke, thrust,' related to stoc 'stick, stump,' from P.Gmc. *stok-, variant of *stik-, *stek- 'pierce, prick' (see stick (v.))." - http://etymonline.com/?term=stoke
20:35:51 <KragenSitaker> .ety kitsch
20:35:54 <phenny> "1926, from Ger., lit. 'gaudy, trash,' from dial. kitschen 'to smear.'" - http://etymonline.com/?term=kitsch
20:37:08 <nsh> dial.?
20:38:11 <KragenSitaker> dialect?
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20:46:30 <nsh> ah, could be
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21:02:25 <Jabberwock> No!!!!! They're all gonna laugh at you!
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21:45:42 <d8uv> AsciiDoc is pretty cool
21:46:02 <d8uv> It's Markdown for DocBook
21:47:45 <Jabberwock> NaturalDoc > *
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21:57:17 <d8uv> http://www.naturaldoc.com/
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22:15:48 <Monty> howdy, minDwarpd
22:16:40 <minDwarpd> yes, hello monty
22:16:41 <Monty> You seem to be quite positive.
22:16:53 <minDwarpd> yes, of course i am monty
22:16:54 <Monty> "RECTIFICATIF TECHNIQUE": 1,160
22:16:56 <minDwarpd> monty, thank you for noticing
22:16:58 <Monty> dont remember what language?
22:17:16 <minDwarpd> monty, you asked me that last time, i'm still workign on it
22:17:16 <Monty> You like to think I asked you -- don't you ?
22:17:34 <minDwarpd> monty, that sounds like you want to argue with me now
22:17:35 <Monty> Hmm, a horrible game
22:18:04 <minDwarpd> monty, will you have my children?
22:18:05 <Monty> over
22:18:17 <minDwarpd> and over again :)
22:22:15 <deltab> Look Around You, Monty!
22:22:15 <Monty> Oh, I ?
22:22:20 <deltab> yes, you
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