00:00:13 <Mike_L> est: ah thanks for reminding me... it's still in My Documents
00:01:18 <est> your fans are tantalized :)
00:01:43 <Mike_L> shall I post it on my website?
00:03:04 <est> you could
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00:36:50 <Mike_L> http://tamale.net/essays/alarmclock.shtml <-- Ideal Alarm Clock
00:37:56 <Mike_L> I should probably format it to look nice
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00:51:45 <Mike_L> est: what do you think?
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00:54:32 <est> Mike_L: well, the first bullet item alone is full of good ideas :)
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01:23:30 <Monty> Speak of the devil, it's schepers!
01:23:59 <darobin> no Monty the devil is darobin! twe and dahut both agree
01:24:00 <dahut> -.. .- .... ..- -
01:24:02 <Monty> arse-cheeks's cobwebs jumps on jittery dtm :(
01:24:07 <twe> I'll pass that on when monty is a twe.
01:24:11 <Monty> Thesedays, cataclysmic over-rated Cumbria plays with epidemic gangbang traffic-lights?
01:26:49 <perigrin> two out of three bots agree, darobin is the devil
01:27:37 <darobin> yeah and monty doesn't really count compared to twe or dahut
01:27:37 * dahut hides from the chaotic noise
01:27:38 <Monty> @Darobin: i still far i want the war.
01:27:39 <supybot> Monty: Error: "Darobin:" is not a valid command.
01:27:40 <Monty> ddddaaahhhuuutttt!
01:27:40 <dahut> DAAAAAHUUUUUUT!!
01:27:43 <twe> And twe is a dahut?
01:27:43 <dahut> METADATA!
01:27:46 <darobin> we should prolly ask phenny though
01:28:04 <darobin> hey, monty said dahut!
01:28:05 <dahut> A THUD!
01:28:06 <Monty> C++ you get away
01:30:54 <est> wow..monty has programming-language religion
01:30:55 <Monty> :::=======o
01:31:20 <darobin> and apparently is in no need for viagra
01:31:29 <est> why, that must mean..Monty has a soul!
01:31:31 <Monty> I'd rather you didn't open scrawny radio.
01:31:58 <darobin> cult of the dahut require no soul
01:31:58 <dahut> HAT DU!
01:32:04 <darobin> unless you play music
01:32:06 <est> i thought i was the only such bot here
01:37:02 <Mike_L> haha
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01:46:55 <BigJibby> twe dahut!
01:46:55 <dahut> HAT DU!
01:47:04 <twe> BigJibby: Dahut, say hello to monty, twe, phenny, and supybot.
01:47:04 <dahut> METADATA!
01:47:04 <Monty> Impressive.
01:47:38 <BigJibby> hello, Monty, twe, phenny, and supybot
01:47:39 <supybot> BigJibby: Error: "hello," is not a valid command.
01:47:41 <Monty> I reckon dosh + instututions = spooky excretion!
01:47:46 <twe> Supybot: i'll pass that on when monty is a twe.
01:47:47 <supybot> twe: Error: "i'll" is not a valid command.
01:47:47 <Monty> HOWDY EVERYBODY
01:48:00 <twe> supybot: Not that i had was to learn about linguistic analysis, or to merge streams through a command?
01:48:00 <supybot> twe: Error: "Not" is not a valid command.
01:48:11 <twe> supybot: Not so much as id like to stop phenny through a command?
01:48:11 <BigJibby> arg!
01:48:12 <supybot> twe: Error: "Not" is not a valid command.
01:48:25 <twe> supybot: Is the purpose to learn about linguistic analysis, or to merge streams through a command?
01:48:25 <supybot> twe: Error: "Is" is not a valid command.
01:48:32 <BigJibby> @list
01:48:32 <supybot> BigJibby: Admin, Alias, AutoMode, Babelfish, Channel, ChannelStats, Config, Darcs, Dict, Filter, Format, Games, 02G04o08o02g03l04e, Herald, Internet, Karma, Lart, Later, Lookup, Math, Misc, Network, Nickometer, Note, Owner, Plugin, Poll, Praise, Python, Quote, RSS, Relay, Reply, Scheduler, Seen, ShrinkUrl, Sourceforge, Status, String, Supybot, Time, Todo, Topic, URL, Unix, User, Utilities, Weather, and Web
01:48:38 <twe> supybot: How did we not need to learn about linguistic analysis, or to merge streams through a command?
01:48:38 <supybot> twe: Error: "How" is not a valid command.
01:48:51 <twe> supybot: How is the first 2 years of a problem involving list representations of graphs.
01:48:51 <supybot> twe: Error: "How" is not a valid command.
01:49:04 <twe> supybot: How is the same for the lojban text -- well, you'd know what it is.
01:49:04 <supybot> twe: Error: "How" is not a valid command.
01:49:13 <twe> supybot: How is that i had not seen before.
01:49:13 <supybot> twe: Error: "How" is not a valid command.
01:49:26 <twe> supybot: Not for the infobot was to learn about linguistic analysis, or to merge streams through a command?
01:49:26 <supybot> twe: Error: "Not" is not a valid command.
01:49:37 <twe> supybot: Oh man, do i have to do is grep through a command?
01:49:37 <supybot> twe: You've given me 5 invalid commands within the last minute; I'm now ignoring you for 10 minutes.
01:49:47 <BigJibby> supybot, ignore twe
01:49:51 <twe> supybot: For some reason have this same problem; jabberd-1.4.3 is dangerously out of that for a minute.
01:49:56 <twe> Twe the twe twe.
01:50:15 <est> BigJibby: we just *swimmin* in teh bot juice here!
01:50:39 <BigJibby> the bots, oh the bots!
01:50:53 <perigrin> all your bot are belong to us
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02:02:12 <nsh> .ety agony
02:02:15 <phenny> "1382, 'mental suffering' (esp. that of Christ in the Garden of Gethsemane), from L.L. agonia, from Gk. agonia 'a (mental) struggle for victory,' originally 'a struggle for victory in the games,' from agon 'assembly for a contest,' from agein 'to lead' (see act)." - http://etymonline.com/?term=agony
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02:05:30 <BigJibby> .ety online
02:05:33 <phenny> "in ref. to computers, 'directly connected to a peripheral device,' is attested from 1950 (originally as on-line)." - http://etymonline.com/?term=online
02:07:06 <edsu> Morbus: you bastage
02:07:14 <Morbus> what the...
02:07:18 <Morbus> when did you get in here?
02:07:21 <edsu> :)
02:07:47 <edsu> look what the cat drug in eh?
02:10:01 <est> mmm..cat drug :9
02:12:26 <perigrin> drugged cats ...
02:15:03 <est> :o
02:20:32 <nsh> .w synoptist
02:20:35 <phenny> I couldn't find 'synoptist' in WordNet.
02:20:40 <nsh> @dict synoptist
02:20:41 <supybot> nsh: gcide: Synoptist \Syn*op"tist\, n. Any one of the authors of the three synoptic Gospels, which give a history of our Lord's life and ministry, in distinction from the writer of John's Gospel, which gives a fuller record of his teachings. [1913 Webster]
02:21:11 <nsh> .w uncial
02:21:14 <phenny> uncial 1. a style of orthography characterized by somewhat rounded capital letters
02:21:17 <phenny> uncial 2. relating to or written in majuscule letters (which resemble modern capitals)
02:21:55 <nsh> .wik Haematodrosis
02:21:58 <phenny> Can't find anything in Wikipedia for "Haematodrosis".
02:22:20 <nsh> .wik Haematidrosis
02:22:24 <phenny> "Hematidrosis (also called hematohidrosis) is a very rare condition in which a human being sweats blood." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haematidrosis
02:22:29 <nsh> stupid catholic encyclopedia
02:31:03 <perigrin> dahut, rock
02:31:04 <dahut> perigrin: Hi there perigrin. Wanna play again?
02:31:12 * perigrin frowns
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02:35:00 <perigrin> dahut, paper
02:35:00 <dahut> perigrin: Wimpy choice, I would have gone with rock.
02:35:45 <maxkelley> what socket is a p4?
02:36:09 <bancus> male
02:36:24 <bancus> oh, wait
02:36:25 <bancus> UDP
02:36:42 <est> :o
02:36:59 <maxkelley> eh?
02:37:08 <bancus> maxkelley: I'm just being a jerk.
02:37:14 <bancus> I have no idea.
02:37:20 <bancus> I haven't bought an Intel chip in years.
02:43:04 <maxkelley> hehe, ok :)
02:43:44 <nsh> .ety condign
02:43:46 <phenny> Can't find the etymology for "condign". Try http://etymonline.com/?search=condign
02:43:51 <nsh> @dict condign
02:43:53 <supybot> nsh: wn, gcide, and moby-thes responded: wn: condign adj : fitting or appropriate and deserved; used especially of punishment; "condign censure"; moby-thes: 35 Moby Thesaurus words for "condign": according to Hoyle, appropriate, atrocious, awful, becoming, correct, decent, decorous, deserved, dreadful, due, fair, fit, fitting, good, grim, horrible, just, kosher, merited, nice, normal, normative, (2 more messages)
02:44:06 <nsh> @dict gcide condign
02:44:07 <supybot> nsh: gcide: Condign \Con*dign"\, a. [F. condigne, L. condignus very worthy; con- + dignus worthy. See {Deign}, and cf. {Digne}.] 1. Worthy; suitable; deserving; fit. [Obs.] [1913 Webster] Condign and worthy praise. --Udall. [1913 Webster] Herself of all that rule she deemend most condign. --Spenser. [1913 Webster] 2. Deserved; adequate; suitable to the fault or crime. "Condign censure." --Milman. [1913 (1 more message)
02:44:40 <nsh> .ety venial
02:44:43 <phenny> "c.1300, from O.Fr. venial, from L. venialis 'pardonable,' from venia 'forgiveness, indulgence, pardon,' related to venus 'sexual love, desire' (see Venus)." - http://etymonline.com/?term=venial
02:44:57 <nsh> .ety venus
02:45:00 <phenny> "O.E., from L. Venus (pl. veneres), in ancient Roman mythology, the goddess of beauty and love, especially sensual love, from venus 'love, sexual desire, loveliness, beauty, charm,' from PIE base *wen- 'to strive after, wish, desire, be satisfied' (cf. Skt. vanas- [...]" - http://etymonline.com/?term=venus
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03:03:52 <jcowan> Ittywhonk!
03:07:01 <crschmidt> Greetings
03:09:27 <est> salutary gyrations
03:11:52 <nsh> salutatary?
03:12:40 <nsh> @compare "salutary" "salutatary"
03:12:41 <supybot> nsh: Error: "compare" is not a valid command.
03:13:00 * nsh always forgets the syntax for that
03:13:22 <int-e> .compare nash nsh
03:13:26 <phenny> nash (40,400,000), nsh (2,680,000)
03:13:26 <nsh> .compare "salutary", "salutatary"
03:13:29 <phenny> "salutary" (2,110,000), "salutatary" (12), , (0)
03:13:36 <nsh> hrmm
03:14:02 <nsh> then why "salutation", rather than "salution"?
03:14:17 <nsh> .ety salutation
03:14:19 <phenny> "1382, from O.Fr. salutacion, from L. salutationem (nom. salutatio), from salutatus, pp. of salutare 'to greet' (see salute)." - http://etymonline.com/?term=salutation
03:14:58 <est> yeah..tis the -atio boiler-plate :)
03:15:19 * nsh nods
03:16:47 <est> .ety gyrate
03:16:50 <phenny> Can't find the etymology for "gyrate". Try http://etymonline.com/?search=gyrate
03:17:05 <est> .ety gyrattion
03:17:08 <phenny> Can't find the etymology for "gyrattion". Try http://etymonline.com/?search=gyrattion
03:17:09 <est> .ety gyration
03:17:11 <phenny> "1615, from L.L. gyratum, pp. of gyrare, from L. gyrus 'circle' (see gyre)." - http://etymonline.com/?term=gyration
03:17:16 <nsh> .ety gyre
03:17:19 <phenny> "1566, 'a circular motion;' as a verb, 'to turn round,' c.1420; from L. gyrus 'circle,' from Gk. gyros 'circle, ring,' related to gyros 'rounded,' from PIE base *geu- 'to bend, curve.'" - http://etymonline.com/?term=gyre
03:17:21 <est> ehehe
03:17:31 * nsh smiles
03:18:06 <nsh> it'd be nice to have a forward browsing function too. i.e., see what else descends from *geu, or any later stage
03:18:37 <nsh> but that'd require a more graphical interface
03:20:03 <jcowan> Actually it wouldn't.
03:20:28 <jcowan> Just accessing the PIE/Semitic bases at bartleby.com/61
03:20:56 <jcowan> The morpheme -ate is semantically empty in English, and it's random which English words pick it up from Latin and which do not.
03:21:15 <nsh> ah
03:21:17 <nsh> thanks
03:21:19 <jcowan> Depends on whether they were derived from Latin base forms or Latin participles.
03:21:30 * nsh nods
03:21:39 <jcowan> Occasionally there are semantic differences as a result of back-formation:
03:21:59 <nsh> hmm, can you ellaborate on that?
03:22:03 <jcowan> comment is a verb, commentator a noun, but we also see commentate as a new verb meaning 'to behave as a commentator'
03:22:10 <nsh> oh right
03:22:19 <jcowan> likewise with protestation
03:22:25 <nsh> like message, messenger(n), messenger(v)
03:22:31 <jcowan> Yes.
03:22:37 * nsh nods
03:22:49 <jcowan> Note the intrusive n
03:22:54 <est> baby got back-formation
03:22:58 <jcowan> also found in passage, passenger
03:23:00 * est likes latin talk
03:23:04 <nsh> interesting
03:23:22 <nsh> where does that come from?
03:23:33 <nsh> .ety passenger
03:23:37 <phenny> "c.1330, passager 'passer-by,' from O.Fr. passageor 'traveler,' noun use of passagier (adj.) 'passing, fleeting, traveling,' from passage (see passage)." - http://etymonline.com/?term=passenger
03:23:51 <nsh> .ety messenger
03:23:54 <phenny> "c.1225, messager, from O.Fr. messagier, from message (see message)." - http://etymonline.com/?term=messenger
03:25:00 <nsh> .ety harbinger
03:25:03 <phenny> "c.1471, herbengar 'one sent ahead to arrange lodgings' (for a monarch, an army, etc.), alt. of M.E. herberger 'provider of shelter, innkeeper' (c.1175), from O.Fr. herbergeor, from herbergier 'provide lodging,' from herber 'lodging, shelter,' from Frank. *heriberga [...]" - http://etymonline.com/?term=harbinger
03:25:14 <jcowan> Excellent!
03:25:28 <nsh> very interesting
03:27:09 <jcowan> More modern examples are Javanese, Shanghainese (presumably influenced by Japanese, Taiwanese, etc. where the 'n' is part of the stem)
03:27:16 <nsh> ah, there's a jstor article in the subject, it appears
03:27:33 <nsh> http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0026-8232(190306)1%3A1%3C203%3ATINI%22%3E2.0.CO%3B2-Y [if anyone has access]
03:27:43 * nsh nods
03:27:51 <jcowan> We also have intrusive 'p' in 'Thompson' < 'Tom's son'
03:28:29 <jcowan> and ones that haven't changed the orthography, like ham(p)ster.
03:28:37 <nsh> mmm
03:29:04 <nsh> is this influenced by phonetics in any way, similarly to "mine" versus "my"?
03:29:10 <jcowan> Definitely.
03:29:14 <nsh> interesting
03:29:19 <jcowan> English prefers 'mps' to 'ms' for whatever reason.
03:29:27 <nsh> right
03:29:37 <est> "phonotactics"?
03:29:45 * nsh smiles
03:29:47 <jcowan> Yes.
03:29:56 <nsh> .gc phototactics
03:29:59 <phenny> phototactics: 72
03:30:23 <nsh> hrmm
03:30:31 <nsh> .gc phonotactics
03:30:32 <nsh> better
03:30:33 <phenny> phonotactics: 92,200
03:30:59 <jcowan> likewise the dialect pron. "chimbley" < "chimley" < "chimney"
03:31:14 <jcowan> and presumably "Crimbo" < "Christmas" as well.
03:31:20 <nsh> mmm
03:31:27 <nsh> .wik Sonority
03:31:31 <phenny> "A sonority hierarchy or sonority scale is a ranking of speech sounds (or phones) by how much 'sound' they produce." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonority
03:32:25 <jcowan> Unfortunately the hierarchy is often a tangled one.
03:32:31 <est> hah
03:32:52 <jcowan> (E.g. it predicts that "strong" should have two syllables, ssst-rong.)
03:33:16 <jcowan> or "estrong" (a la Spanish) or "istrong" (a la Turkish)
03:34:02 <est> estrong!
03:34:10 * nsh smiles
03:35:07 <nsh> .wik List of the longest English words with one syllable
03:35:10 <phenny> "According to the Oxford English Dictionary, the longest English word of one syllable is the ten-letter scraunched, appearing in a 1620 translation of Cervantes' Don Quixote." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_longest_English_words_with_one_syllable
03:35:14 <jcowan> Well, Spanish writes "stress" but pronounces it "estrés"
03:35:22 <est> sometimes when im dropping rhymes i say "strong" like that
03:35:52 <jcowan> In Spanish the rule against initial s+consonant is still fully operative,
03:36:10 <est> anything less would be uncivilized
03:36:11 <nsh> "The 10-letter word "squirreled" is arguably monosyllabic." -ibid.
03:36:20 * nsh wonders about that one
03:36:22 <jcowan> but in French it's long been dead, though we see it operating in words like être = e-stare
03:36:44 <KragenSitaker> être is stare?
03:36:52 <jcowan> Partly stare, partly essere.
03:36:52 <KragenSitaker> to stand?
03:36:55 <jcowan> Yeah.
03:37:01 <KragenSitaker> wow
03:37:31 <jcowan> essere (classical esse) being so irregular, it frequently got mixed up with stare and other verbs in the Romance languages.
03:37:51 * est sto
03:38:02 <jcowan> In Iberia the result was two separate verbs, ser and estar, with semantic differences.
03:38:16 <nsh> to my chargrin
03:38:26 <est> now that's a fine word
03:38:29 <jcowan> ("Glimpse" is another intrusive p word)
03:38:36 <nsh> .ety glimpse
03:38:39 <phenny> "c.1400, 'to shine faintly,' probably from O.E. *glimsian 'shine faintly,' from P.Gmc. *glim- (see gleam)." - http://etymonline.com/?term=glimpse
03:38:50 <KragenSitaker> .ety venal
03:38:53 <phenny> "1652, 'offered for sale, capable of being obtained for a price,' from Fr. vénal, from L. venalis 'that is for sale,' from venum (nom. *venus) 'for sale,' from PIE base *wes- 'to buy, sell' (cf. Skt. vasnah 'purchase money,' vasnam 'reward,' vasnayati 'he bargains, [...]" - http://etymonline.com/?term=venal
03:39:04 <KragenSitaker> i always confuse that with venial
03:39:16 <nsh> aye
03:39:23 <nsh> interesting convergence there
03:39:55 <jcowan> ser also has sedere (sit) mixed in, especially in Portuguese.
03:40:07 <jcowan> the -d- got lost.
03:40:13 <KragenSitaker> .ety gimlet
03:40:15 <phenny> "c.1420, from Anglo-Fr. guimbelet, perhaps from M.Du. wimmelkijn, dim. of wimmel 'auger, drill.' The meaning 'cocktail made with gin or vodka and lime juice' is first attested 1928, presumably from its 'penetrating' effects on the drinker." - http://etymonline.com/?term=gimlet
03:40:28 <jcowan> "Hamlet, I am thy father's gimlet!" --Ulysses
03:40:42 <nsh> hmm
03:41:18 <est> "I *am* your gimlet!" --Empire Strikes Back
03:42:57 <jcowan> WP says that in Romanian essere mixed with fieri 'to be made, to be done'
03:43:17 <jcowan> Lunatic details at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romance_copula
03:44:47 <est> wow
03:45:06 <est> that's a page ive needed to see
03:46:40 <est> heh..i got some of this from _the loom of language_ long ago..this is a great update
03:48:37 <nsh> looks like a good book
03:48:48 <jcowan> A bit out of date, but well-written.
03:48:54 <est> yeah
03:49:19 <jcowan> Index of IE roots is at http://www.bartleby.com/61/IEroots.html , of Semitic roots at http://www.bartleby.com/61/IEroots.html .
03:49:33 <jcowan> These exclude roots with no English descendants, I think.
03:49:40 <nsh> thanks
03:51:47 <jcowan> No entry for *geu- though.
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04:12:11 * jcowan installed 'diction' and 'style' today.
04:12:30 <jcowan> http://www.gnu.org/software/diction/diction.html
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04:47:09 <bancus> 404
04:47:26 <bancus> you need an l at the end
04:50:42 <jcowan> I *have* an ell at the end.
04:55:00 <bancus> oh, whoa
04:55:06 <bancus> must have miscopied it
04:55:20 <est> *someone* needs an l at the end!
04:55:24 <est> ehehe
05:01:22 <jcowan> "someonel"
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05:51:10 <KragenSitaker> .wik mudflation
05:51:10 <KragenSitaker> .wik gameguard
05:51:14 <phenny> "Mudflation is an economic issue that exists only in massively multiplayer online games." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mudflation
05:51:14 <phenny> "GameGuard (sometimes abbreviated as GG or GameMon) is a rootkit developed by nProtect." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gameguard
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05:58:26 <l7> .wik foo
05:58:31 <phenny> "Foo, bar, and baz: metasyntactic variables" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foo
05:59:52 <l7> .wik power
05:59:57 <phenny> "Power has many meanings, most of which imply (a capacity for) control or force, (though in physics the terms 'power' and 'force' have different meanings)." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power
06:01:54 <est> mmm..potestas!
06:02:58 <KragenSitaker> .ety pwer
06:03:00 <phenny> Can't find the etymology for "pwer". Try http://etymonline.com/?search=pwer
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06:03:03 <KragenSitaker> .ety power
06:03:06 <phenny> "1297, from Anglo-Fr. pouair, O.Fr. povoir, noun use of the infinitive in O.Fr., 'to be able,' earlier podir (842), from V.L. *potere, from L. potis 'powerful' (see potent)." - http://etymonline.com/?term=power
06:03:09 <KragenSitaker> @dict power
06:03:11 <supybot> KragenSitaker: gaz-county, gazetteer, foldoc, gcide, wn, bouvier, vera, moby-thes, and gaz-place responded: gazetteer: Power, MT Zip code(s): 59468; gcide: Power \Pow"er\, n. (Zool.) Same as {Poor}, the fish. [1913 Webster]; vera: POWER Power Optimization With Enhanced RISC [chip] (IBM, Apple, Motorola); foldoc: POWER Performance Optimization with Enhanced RISC. The {IBM} processor (45 more messages)
06:03:26 <l7> can it translate too?
06:03:38 <KragenSitaker> no, neither phenny nor supybot can translate
06:03:45 <KragenSitaker> dahut?
06:03:48 <dahut> KragenSitaker: Nice to meet you, KragenSitaker.
06:03:57 <KragenSitaker> daut, say hi to l7
06:04:01 <KragenSitaker> i mean
06:04:01 <KragenSitaker> dahut, say hi
06:04:02 <dahut> KragenSitaker: hi.
06:04:03 <KragenSitaker> to l7
06:04:07 <l7> lol
06:04:11 <l7> hi dahut
06:04:12 <dahut> METADATA!
06:04:16 <l7> hi dahut
06:04:16 <dahut> *yarg*
06:04:21 <est> dahut: kneel before zod
06:04:21 <dahut> est: Hi, est. My brain contains 2 categories, but not one that matches your last input.
06:04:57 <l7> .wik zod
06:05:01 <phenny> "General Zod is a fictional character from the Superman comics published by DC Comics." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zod
06:05:09 <KragenSitaker> @echo dahut, say hi to twe, l7, phenny, and Monty
06:05:09 <dahut> *yarg*
06:05:09 <supybot> dahut, say hi to twe, l7, phenny, and Monty
06:05:10 <dahut> supybot: It's good to meet you, supybot. hi to twe l7 phenny and Monty.
06:05:11 <Monty> @acronym HBDF
06:05:11 <supybot> dahut: Error: "It's" is not a valid command.
06:05:12 <dahut> supybot: And is not a valid command is Error it.
06:05:12 <Monty> the_other_cj is overblown and warm :(
06:05:13 <supybot> Monty: Error: You must have a free Acronym Finder license key in order to use this command. You can get one at <http://www.acronymfinder.com/dontknowyet/>. Once you have one, you can set it with the command "config supybot.plugins.Acronym.licenseKey <key>".
06:05:14 <Monty> sure, it though so far, not know that? I'm afraid I guess.
06:05:14 <supybot> dahut: Error: "And" is not a valid command.
06:05:15 <dahut> supybot: What is a valid command then?
06:05:15 <supybot> dahut: Error: "What" is not a valid command.
06:05:16 <dahut> supybot: What is a valid command then?
06:05:16 <supybot> dahut: Error: "What" is not a valid command.
06:05:17 <twe> And twe is a dahut?
06:05:17 <dahut> supybot: What is a valid command then?
06:05:17 * dahut topples down the mountain
06:05:19 <supybot> dahut: Error: "What" is not a valid command.
06:05:19 <dahut> supybot: What is a valid command then?
06:05:20 <supybot> dahut: You've given me 5 invalid commands within the last minute; I'm now ignoring you for 10 minutes.
06:05:21 <dahut> supybot: I think I have GIVEN you 5 invalid commands within the last minute, but Perigrin may have reset my memory. Fine then. Be that way. See if I care. Stupid Bot.
06:05:23 <Monty> "Bugger, trod in AIML." Rephrase it? i did, or is TInt rad has many people are people had was kind of punishment; "condign censure"; moby-thes: 35 Moby Thesaurus words homoios = shape) is funny.
06:05:23 <twe> Hi twe liking rss 1.1: http://inamidst.com/phenny.
06:05:27 <twe> Hi twe liking rss 1.1: http://inamidst.com/phenny.
06:06:28 <KragenSitaker> earlier today i got twe and dahut talking to each other
06:06:28 <dahut> Yo kids!
06:06:35 <twe> And twe is a dahut?
06:06:35 <dahut> A THUD!
06:06:37 <l7> heh
06:06:43 <l7> that's kinda cool
06:06:46 <KragenSitaker> they kept talking to each other for half n an hour
06:06:52 <l7> oh
06:06:57 <l7> that might not be as cool :)
06:07:07 <KragenSitaker> finally peregrin killed dahut
06:07:07 <KragenSitaker> it was prett
06:07:07 <dahut> A THUD!
06:07:20 <KragenSitaker> y funny. you can see the carnage in the log
06:07:22 <KragenSitaker> loggy, pointer?
06:07:41 <KragenSitaker> i think. maybe loggy broke again.
06:11:26 <KragenSitaker> no, loggy is here and logging
06:11:31 <KragenSitaker> loggy, help?
06:12:19 <KragenSitaker> l7: http://swhack.com/logs/2006-12-19#T23-08-15 is where the bot-to-bot ended
06:13:07 <KragenSitaker> included therein is the part where i got them to talking. please don't duplicate the feat :)
06:18:08 <l7> heh
06:18:25 <l7> .seen god
06:18:28 <phenny> Sorry, I haven't seen god around.
06:19:21 <KragenSitaker> .seen the square
06:19:23 <phenny> Sorry, I haven't seen the around.
06:19:35 <l7> i'm still trying to figure out what happened exactly
06:22:05 <d8uv> l7: I mistook you for 17. Sorry
06:22:32 <l7> heh, no offense taken :0
06:23:12 <d8uv> :O
06:23:34 <d8uv> :o :0 :O :*
06:23:36 <l7> i just got a wikipedia search bar installed
06:23:43 <l7> i'm quite jazzed about it
06:24:12 <d8uv> Does it serve martinis?
06:24:17 <l7> not yet
06:24:26 <d8uv> .wik martini
06:24:29 <phenny> "Martini vermouth - a brand of vermouth" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martini
06:24:34 <l7> i think it can serve rss feeds though
06:25:16 <d8uv> Hmm
06:25:38 <l7> http://www.macdevcenter.com/pub/a/mac/2004/04/09/launchers.html
06:25:44 <l7> Butler - it's quite nice
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07:32:48 <patbam> hi est
07:33:10 <est> greetings! :)
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07:40:11 <Kriegel> .gc banner
07:40:13 <phenny> banner: 262,000,000
07:40:20 <Kriegel> .g banner
07:40:22 <phenny> Kriegel: http://www.bannerengineering.com/
07:40:53 <patbam> in soviet union banner engineers you
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07:55:18 <Monty> Speak of the devil, it's BeHappy_!
07:56:26 <l7> .wik new york times
07:56:35 <phenny> "The New York Times is a newspaper published in New York City by Arthur Ochs Sulzberger Jr. and distributed internationally." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_york_times
08:01:12 <l7> .wik News
08:01:16 <phenny> "News is any new information or current events." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/News
08:01:34 <l7> .wik knowledge
08:01:39 <phenny> "Knowledge is what is known." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knowledge
08:01:45 <l7> .wik value
08:01:49 <phenny> "Value (mathematics) -- the value of a variable in mathematics." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Value
08:02:23 <l7> .wik policy
08:02:28 <phenny> "A policy is a plan of action to guide decisions and actions." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Policy
08:02:42 <l7> .wik polis
08:02:46 <phenny> "A 'polis' (πόλις, pronunciation pol'-is) — plural: poleis (πόλεις) — is a city, or a city-state." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polis
08:02:49 <l7> .ety policy
08:02:52 <phenny> "'way of management, government, administration,' c.1386, from O.Fr. policie (14c.) 'civil administration,' from L. politia 'the state,' from Gk. politeia 'state, administration, government, citizenship,' from polites 'citizen,' from polis 'city, state,' from PIE [...]" - http://etymonline.com/?term=policy
08:03:20 <l7> .ety news
08:03:23 <phenny> "1382, plural of new (n.) 'new thing,' from new (adj.), q.v.; after Fr. nouvelles, used in Bible translations to render M.L. nova (neut. pl.) 'news,' lit. 'new things.' Sometimes still regarded as plural, 17c.-19c. Meaning 'tidings' is 1423; newspaper is first attested [...]" - http://etymonline.com/?term=news
08:03:36 <l7> .wik nouve
08:03:40 <phenny> "See also: 1683 in piracy, other events of 1684, 1685 in piracy and the list of 'years of Piracy'." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1684_in_piracy
08:03:58 <l7> .ety knowledge
08:04:01 <phenny> "M.E. cnawlece." - http://etymonline.com/?term=knowledge
08:04:43 <l7> .wik education
08:04:49 <phenny> "Education is the process by which an individual is encouraged and enabled to develop his or her potential; it may also serve the purpose of equipping the individual with what is necessary to be a productive member of society." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education
08:04:57 <l7> .wik learning
08:05:03 <phenny> "Learning is the process of gaining understanding that leads to the modification of attitudes and behaviours through the acquisition of knowledge, skills and values, through study and experience." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Learning
08:19:26 <KragenSitaker> .rate "new york times"
08:19:33 <phenny> "new york times": 26.44% (24 rocks; 233 rules; 304 sucks; 411 blows)
08:20:34 <KragenSitaker> .wik nouveau
08:20:40 <phenny> "Art Nouveau (IPA: [art nuvo], anglicised /ˈɑːt nuːvəu/) (French for 'new art') is an international style of art, architecture and design that peaked in popularity at the beginning of the 20th century." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art_Nouveau
08:34:31 <l7> .rate "san francisco chronicle"
08:34:37 <phenny> "san francisco chronicle": 37.5% (5 rocks; 4 rules; 13 sucks; 2 blows)
08:34:50 <l7> .rate power
08:34:57 <phenny> "power": 89.05% (84,400 rocks; 98,600 rules; 12,700 sucks; 9,800 blows)
08:35:00 <l7> .rate God
08:35:07 <phenny> "God": 95.56% (68,900 rocks; 431,000 rules; 11,300 sucks; 11,900 blows)
08:35:15 <l7> .rate Faith
08:35:22 <phenny> "Faith": 81.43% (3,570 rocks; 10,200 rules; 2,690 sucks; 451 blows)
08:35:30 <l7> .rate Dawkins
08:35:38 <phenny> "Dawkins": 83.58% (37 rocks; 630 rules; 105 sucks; 26 blows)
08:35:44 <l7> hmm interesting
08:35:57 <l7> .rate meme
08:36:04 <phenny> "meme": 91.28% (202 rocks; 1,630 rules; 168 sucks; 7 blows)
08:36:11 <l7> .rate science
08:36:17 <phenny> "science": 98.65% (45,000 rocks; 61,500 rules; 794 sucks; 666 blows)
08:36:24 <l7> interesting blows
08:36:50 <KragenSitaker> .rate l7
08:36:57 <phenny> "l7": 81.16% (303 rocks; 201 rules; 78 sucks; 39 blows)
08:37:02 <patbam> are meme rocks like pet rocks
08:37:22 <l7> not exactly
08:37:25 <l7> .wik meme
08:37:34 <phenny> "The term 'meme' (IPA: /miːm/, not /mɛm/ or /mimi/, to rhyme with 'theme'), coined in 1976 by the evolutionary biologist Richard Dawkins, refers to a unit of cultural information transferable from one mind to another." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meme
08:38:00 <l7> you could say the idea of pet rocks was a meme
08:38:09 <l7> if a rather dead one now
08:38:49 <KragenSitaker> sure, it's a classic example
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08:39:30 <l7> .rate mirc
08:39:36 <phenny> "mirc": 51.8% (335 rocks; 1,380 rules; 1,530 sucks; 66 blows)
08:39:56 <l7> mirc blows
08:39:59 <l7> pvck: huh?
08:40:02 <l7> .rate mirc
08:40:04 <l7> oops
08:40:08 <phenny> "mirc": 51.8% (335 rocks; 1,380 rules; 1,530 sucks; 66 blows)
08:42:12 <KragenSitaker> l7: pvck isn't on this channel
08:42:24 <l7> i know
08:42:44 <l7> i just hit the wrong buffered command
08:42:47 <patbam> but they were always dead. dead as rocks.
08:43:11 <l7> the idea was alive for a while
08:43:14 * patbam ceases being annoying
08:43:58 <l7> .rate sex
08:44:05 <phenny> "sex": 38.25% (14,000 rocks; 54,800 rules; 108,000 sucks; 3,080 blows)
08:44:09 <l7> wow
08:44:13 <l7> that's pretty low
08:45:20 <KragenSitaker> .rate "vacuum cleaner"
08:45:28 <phenny> "vacuum cleaner": 3.42% (39 rocks; 18 rules; 1,560 sucks; 48 blows)
08:45:42 <l7> god is high, faith is high, dawkins is high, science is high
08:45:45 <l7> and sex is low
08:46:09 <patbam> .rate vacuum
08:46:15 <phenny> "vacuum": 8.74% (2,860 rocks; 759 rules; 32,000 sucks; 5,790 blows)
08:46:20 <l7> .rate roomba
08:46:20 <patbam> heh
08:46:27 <phenny> "roomba": 76.4% (1,770 rocks; 150 rules; 584 sucks; 9 blows)
08:46:35 <patbam> mine rocks.
08:46:41 <l7> .rate broom
08:46:45 <l7> which vac do you have?
08:46:48 <phenny> "broom": 49.51% (308 rocks; 44 rules; 334 sucks; 25 blows)
08:46:55 <l7> .rate dustpan
08:47:01 <phenny> "dustpan": 57.14% (0 rocks; 4 rules; 3 sucks; 0 blows)
08:47:03 <l7> .rate dustbin
08:47:09 <l7> .rate history
08:47:10 <phenny> "dustbin": 18.57% (11 rocks; 15 rules; 113 sucks; 1 blows)
08:47:15 <patbam> the discovery
08:47:16 <phenny> "history": 98.56% (13,700 rocks; 120,000 rules; 771 sucks; 1,180 blows)
08:47:17 <patbam> .rate pop
08:47:23 <phenny> "pop": 98.18% (585,000 rocks; 15,700 rules; 9,840 sucks; 1,270 blows)
08:47:30 <patbam> yay pop rocks
08:47:45 <l7> almost as much as... history
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08:58:16 <KragenSitaker> .rate "sarbanes oxley"
08:58:22 <phenny> "sarbanes oxley": 99.58% (0 rocks; 38,600 rules; 162 sucks; 0 blows)
08:58:26 <KragenSitaker> .rate compliance
08:58:32 <phenny> "compliance": 99.18% (16 rocks; 151,000 rules; 1,040 sucks; 207 blows)
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09:03:30 <l7> .rate rate
09:03:37 <phenny> "rate": 98.61% (1,850 rocks; 833,000 rules; 10,600 sucks; 1,140 blows)
09:03:37 <l7> .rate .rate
09:03:44 <phenny> ".rate": 98.61% (1,850 rocks; 833,000 rules; 10,600 sucks; 1,140 blows)
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09:07:22 <patbam> .rate nlp
09:07:28 <phenny> "nlp": 88.45% (96 rocks; 149 rules; 30 sucks; 2 blows)
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11:53:26 <Monty> hi MoiraA
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11:55:29 <bjoern_> my mouse is dying :(
11:55:40 <bjoern_> it doesn't properly take my clicks anymore
11:58:13 <JibberJim> Maybe it's old
11:58:18 <bjoern_> It is old.
11:58:31 <JibberJim> get a humane mouse-trap, put some cheese in it, and you'll soon catch yourself a new one
11:59:12 <est> :o
11:59:25 <est> maybe it's sick of the clicks
11:59:33 <est> just wont take them any more
12:00:11 <bjoern_> it wouldn't dare to defy me.
12:01:30 <sbp> hahaha. BBC News
12:01:46 <sbp> "And: there is a God! More news on the story that Shane Warne is due to retire."
12:02:05 <bjoern_> .wik Shane Warne
12:02:11 <phenny> "Shane Keith Warne (born September 13, 1969 in Ferntree Gully, Victoria, Australia), is an Australian cricketer, and captain of Hampshire." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shane_Warne
12:02:16 <bjoern_> omg
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15:12:20 <sbp> .gc schifffahrt
15:12:23 <phenny> schifffahrt: 2,780,000
15:12:36 <sbp> THREE EFFFS
15:12:41 <bjoern_> .gc schiffahrt
15:12:44 <phenny> schiffahrt: 1,080,000
15:13:03 <sbp> I got it from http://www.rechtschreibreform-neindanke.de/b_schiff.gif
15:13:10 <sbp> via http://www.rechtschreibreform-neindanke.de/dok_hinter_aufsatz.htm
15:13:17 <sbp> via http://holger.thoelking.name/
15:13:28 <sbp> (disclaimer: I have no idea what any of these sites say, mean, or are)
15:14:05 <bjoern_> .wik Rechtschreibreform
15:14:10 <phenny> "The German spelling reform of 1996 (Rechtschreibreform) regulates the current German orthography and is based on an international agreement signed in 1996 by the governments of the German-speaking countries Germany, Austria, Liechtenstein, and Switzerland." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rechtschreibreform
15:14:19 <sbp> ah! thanks
15:14:29 <sbp> now the pen and such make sense
15:14:39 <nsh> i think swedish has triple consonants too
15:15:39 <sbp> [[[
15:15:40 <sbp> FFF. SCHIFFFRACHT and SCHIFFFAHRT are found in German, according to Oscar van Vlijmen. The German word FLUSSSCHIFFFAHRT (with two triplets) means "navigation on a river" and appears in The Pocket Oxford-Duden German Dictionary [Gerd Baron].
15:15:40 <sbp> SAUERSTOFFFLASCHEN is the German word for "oxygen tank," according to typeface designer Jonathan Hoefler, who notes that, typographically speaking, the word calls for not only three f's but an f-f-f-l ligature.
15:15:48 <sbp> ]]] - http://members.aol.com/gulfhigh2/words7.html
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15:32:12 <Monty> But what does minDscrm have to do with the price of fish?
15:32:14 <phenny> Hush there, Monty.
15:32:18 <Monty> We must accept that digital burning genocide fingers incontinent anthropomorphic kernel!
15:32:37 <bjoern_> We must, Monty?
15:32:37 <Monty> Tell me more about that.
15:32:47 <bjoern_> @Monty--
15:32:48 <Monty> By converting the length.
15:32:50 <bjoern_> @karma
15:32:51 <supybot> bjoern_: Highest karma: "sbp" (28), "jcowan" (11), and "crschmidt" (9). Lowest karma: "supybot" (-56), "sh1mmer" (-24), and "02g04o08o02g03l04e" (-5). You (bjoern_) are ranked 6 out of 162.
15:32:53 <minDscrm> monty, what do i have to do with the price of fish? you mustn't have read Freakonomics yet!
15:32:56 <Monty> they must point 4 rules; 1,560 sucks; 48 blows)
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15:35:04 * minDscrm plugs a neural network into Monty
15:35:04 <Monty> AT HUD!
15:41:01 <jsled> close, monty.
15:41:02 <Monty> prefers parents?
15:42:33 <dahut> Monty: Would you mind checking my rod for a fever?
15:42:34 <Monty> DAAAHUUUUUT!!!!
15:42:35 <dahut> DAAAHUUUUUT!!!!
15:42:42 <bancus> heh
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15:54:44 <sbp> hehe
15:56:15 <nsh> kismet, dahut
15:56:15 <dahut> -.. .- .... ..- -
15:57:19 <nsh> dahut, this is your name; this is your name on morse. don't do morse.
15:57:23 <dahut> nsh: Nice to meet you, nsh. You don't say. You don't say. Ok I'll try not to do it too much.
15:58:30 <nsh> dahut, there are few who try to do something too much
15:58:31 <dahut> nsh: Try to be less subjective.
16:00:33 <nsh> dahut, one has to consider the framing cost of objectifying. communication is primarily aimed and conveyence of meaning, and less at universal truth
16:00:36 <dahut> nsh: One what? Are they exactly the same?
16:02:07 <nsh> dahut, i couldn't tell you if i wanted to
16:02:08 <dahut> nsh: Could anyone do it?
16:02:47 <nsh> dahut, for a suitably broad definition of anyone, i would say yes
16:02:48 <dahut> nsh: Is that among the best things you can say?
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16:03:47 <sbp> nsh: Stone Soup
16:03:54 * nsh smiles
16:03:59 <nsh> a great story
16:04:10 <sbp> very good indeed; thanks
16:04:17 <nsh> what brings it to mind?
16:04:48 <sbp> well actually I read "Communication is primarily aimed [at] conveyance..." above and thought I'd quote it on some thing I'm planning on writing about conlanging
16:05:02 <sbp> so I thought huh, I wonder what nsh's name is? he's probably anonymous from what I know about him
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16:05:13 <sbp> so then I /WHOIS'd you all the same and found you were on #wikipedia
16:05:24 * nsh nods
16:05:30 <sbp> and I thought you'd probably have a Wikipedia user page, and that might tell me what you like to be known as
16:05:40 <nsh> you'd probably have to trawl history
16:05:40 <sbp> and instead I got told a nice story. hehe
16:05:45 <nsh> ah, cool
16:06:00 <sbp> well it doesn't matter, I just like to give credit where credit's due
16:06:05 <sbp> so I can link to the Swhack logs
16:06:15 <nsh> works fine :-)
16:06:24 <sbp> yay
16:07:14 <nsh> what's the nature of the article/writing?
16:08:16 <sbp> well I got started on studying the conlanging phenomenon about a week or two ago because I wanted to get into some kind of strange art form, and I figured that creating a language is a pretty strange kind of art
16:08:36 <sbp> so I've been devouring tons of material on language in general; how language works
16:08:42 <nsh> ah
16:08:44 <nsh> fascinating
16:09:08 <sbp> anyway, I was thinking that I'd like to work on a very small language, a kind of Lupine or Toki Pona sized language of just a few words, but work on it having some interesting linguistic quirk. people do this sort of thing fairly often
16:09:12 <sbp> but, obviously, I'm learning by doing
16:09:29 * nsh nods
16:11:14 <nsh> i hadn't heard of Lupine
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16:11:46 <sbp> I had in the mists of time, but only rediscovered it recently
16:11:53 <sbp> one other little Watership Down anecdote...
16:12:41 <nsh> ah
16:12:48 <sbp> a couple of years ago or so I was looking at a map of the Watership Down area, and thinking that wow, the place names that Adams created were just so extremely realistic. I was amazed... and trying to figure out what it was about that that was so lifelike
16:13:24 <nsh> mm
16:13:35 <sbp> but before I'd thought about it too much, I discovered that it was an actual patch of land, so they were real names after all. it reminded me of how you can see someone's mannerisms clearer when they're being done by an impressionist, but it's made me think that perhaps it's not the impressionist that's the key but the state of mind of the observer
16:13:47 <sbp> (or some combination thereof; an impressionist will overdo the mannerisms, of course)
16:13:53 <nsh> right
16:13:56 <sbp> (and perhaps even get them slightly wrong: an uncanny valley)
16:14:03 <nsh> interesting
16:14:46 <nsh> i have to go ponder for a while
16:14:50 <sbp> :-)
16:14:52 <sbp> c'ya
16:14:56 <nsh> you too :-)
16:15:55 <sbp> (s/Lupine/Lapine/ above)
16:17:16 <nsh> aye, got it
16:17:23 <nsh> considering re-reading the book
16:17:46 <nsh> seeing the animated adaption is actually one of my earliest and most vivid childhood memory
16:17:54 <nsh> *memories
16:22:58 <monkinetic> hey
16:23:04 <monkinetic> anyone else here got a wordpress blog?
16:26:12 <sbp> yeah, the animation is... vivid
16:26:21 <sbp> yo redmonk
16:26:50 <monkinetic> hi sbp
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17:49:09 <Monty> Hey clarity_, KragenSitaker asked me to tell you: he might be interested in these comments on skip lists; http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/cairo/2006-September/007882.html [Wed Dec 13 22:05:40 GMT 2006]
17:53:08 <sbp> if not, you get to send back FOO by Monty
17:53:10 <Monty> desires scandalous spoon-fed labels >:)
17:53:12 <sbp> FOO by Monty is awesome
17:53:13 <Monty> mm..as Eric Tiedemann
17:53:19 <sbp> Monty: tell d8uv FOO
17:53:19 <Monty> sbp: Okay, I'll tell d8uv that next time I see them...
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18:40:07 * Arnia notes a komodo virgin birth
18:41:23 <libby> yeah pretty impressive that
18:45:04 <Arnia> Such propitious timing too
18:46:43 <libby> yeah!
18:47:54 <Arnia> Although if the second coming is a giant lizard...
18:53:44 <libby> we're all in trouble
18:54:44 <Arnia> Yes... unless we climb the trees again
18:55:01 <Arnia> No one said it had to be human :p
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19:16:06 <kpreid> 'What it means is that Sun is telling the world that the rest of its technical employees are "undistinguished engineers".' -- jcowan in http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2006/12/19/Five-Things
19:17:47 <sbp> heh!
19:18:43 <sbp> wow, I didn't know he was married to Lauren Wood
19:20:04 <kpreid> "The trouble is, masses of them fall and start to decay before we can get to ’em, then you have to pick up the ucky gucky rotting pears, dodging the clouds of wasps. Judging by the wasps’ behavior I suspect they ferment slightly. When you’ve got six legs and you still can’t stand up, you’ve had too much to drink." -- http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2004/09/05/LateSummer
19:20:27 <sbp> heh
19:20:47 <kpreid> <thing with which to make sbp say 'heh' a third time>
19:20:53 <sbp> ooh
19:20:53 <crschmidt> heh
19:20:58 <sbp> missed me
19:21:04 <kpreid> sigh, meta-foiled
19:21:25 * sbp high-fives all involved
19:21:34 <sbp> so I just started writing a big essay on conlanging
19:21:49 <kpreid> (a most ugly word)
19:21:49 <sbp> 2000 words at the moment, but the problem is that I started digressing myself into things that I don't care about
19:21:49 * Arnia pricks his ears
19:21:56 <sbp> Arnia! yo
19:22:05 * Arnia tackles sbp
19:22:07 <sbp> so I've got 2000 words of ass just sitting around doing nothing
19:22:29 <sbp> kpreid: which is ugly? a) meta-foiled, b) high-fives, c) conlanging?
19:22:54 <kpreid> (c)
19:23:03 <kpreid> 'clanging' is both similiar and descriptive
19:23:13 <sbp> Arnia: it's kinda odd that you showed up, because one of the things I've been puzzling is "how does language work?", and when most people ask that question they usually end up thinking about verbs and crap
19:24:08 <sbp> but when I did that I ended up thinking about how parts of speech are clearly radial categories, and wondering things like "if some word exists as (nominal lemma)+(adjectival suffix), does that help them to remember that the lemma is nominal?"
19:25:04 <sbp> and then I got to thinking about embodied semantics and then I realised that I was way the hell out of my depth and wondered about asking you to write a layman's essay on how language works from the point of view of a cognitive semanticist
19:25:22 <sbp> but then I realised that you're probably too busy what with a PhD going on and all. I'm asking anyway, as you can see
19:25:29 <Arnia> hmm... let me think about it
19:25:33 <sbp> awesome
19:25:39 <Arnia> (I'm currently on medical leave you see)
19:25:42 <sbp> oh dear
19:25:58 <sbp> I remember you mentioning that last time. sad to hear it's still continuing
19:26:13 <kpreid> .gc "disembodied semanticist"
19:26:16 <phenny> "disembodied semanticist": 0
19:26:25 <kpreid> whee, another original thought
19:26:26 * Arnia goes 'woo' and drifts through the wall
19:26:34 <sbp> hehe
19:27:29 <sbp> farts and ghosts... odd parallels there that I hadn't considered before. they both start off as living beings, make bizarre noises when people are least expecting them, and go drifting through the atmosphere scaring people and making them flee
19:27:35 <l7> .rate ms
19:27:42 <phenny> "ms": 44.55% (2,490 rocks; 17,500 rules; 22,900 sucks; 1,980 blows)
19:27:53 <sbp> l7: hello. who are you?
19:27:55 <sbp> welcome to Swhack
19:28:09 <jsled> .rate l7
19:28:15 <sbp> .metarate jsled
19:28:16 <phenny> "l7": 81.16% (303 rocks; 201 rules; 78 sucks; 39 blows)
19:28:27 <jsled> Is that all? Geez.
19:28:34 <sbp> actually, I can do that through two .rate operations thus:
19:28:37 <sbp> .rate jsled
19:28:44 <phenny> "jsled": 25.0% (1 rocks; 0 rules; 3 sucks; 0 blows)
19:28:47 <sbp> .rate 25.0%
19:28:54 <phenny> "25.0%": 100.0% (0 rocks; 10 rules; 0 sucks; 0 blows)
19:29:07 <sbp> your metarating is 100%, jsled! congratulations
19:29:11 <jsled> ROCK>
19:29:58 <bpt> .rate igneous
19:30:09 <phenny> "igneous": 100.0% (487,000 rocks; 3 rules; 4 sucks; 9 blows)
19:30:31 <sbp> 2005-06-20 02:15:18 <deltab> .rate igneous
19:30:37 <sbp> 2006-04-25 20:49:03 <norman> .rate igneous
19:30:50 <sbp> why doesn't anybody ever choose metamorphic or sedimentary?
19:31:03 <sbp> is igneous the prototypical rock type, or what?
19:31:03 <kpreid> .rate fake
19:31:10 <phenny> "fake": 95.76% (22,200 rocks; 2,310 rules; 538 sucks; 547 blows)
19:31:15 <kpreid> .rate hide-a-key
19:31:20 <jsled> heh
19:31:22 <phenny> "hide-a-key": 100.0% (47 rocks; 0 rules; 0 sucks; 0 blows)
19:31:28 <sbp> oh, actually, jcowan did sedimentary:
19:31:29 <sbp> 2006-09-04 23:17:27 <jcowan> .rate sedimentary
19:31:37 <kpreid> .rate crumbly
19:31:44 <phenny> "crumbly": 99.6% (501 rocks; 0 rules; 2 sucks; 0 blows)
19:31:44 <jsled> .rate crack
19:31:52 <jsled> .rate pop
19:31:53 <phenny> "crack": 96.48% (37,100 rocks; 12,300 rules; 1,550 sucks; 251 blows)
19:31:59 <phenny> "pop": 98.23% (606,000 rocks; 15,700 rules; 9,920 sucks; 1,270 blows)
19:32:01 <kpreid> .rate sheet
19:32:08 <jsled> .rate painted
19:32:08 <phenny> "sheet": 97.84% (1,430 rocks; 34,600 rules; 592 sucks; 205 blows)
19:32:15 <phenny> "painted": 99.91% (86,000 rocks; 165 rules; 76 sucks; 2 blows)
19:32:33 <sbp> nobody can beat jsled's metarating
19:33:26 <sbp> .rate yiffing
19:33:32 <phenny> "yiffing": 100.0% (0 rocks; 4 rules; 0 sucks; 0 blows)
19:33:40 * sbp blinketh
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19:34:20 <bpt> sbp: assuming there are no terms with negative googlecounts ;)
19:34:24 <bpt> .rate yiff
19:34:31 <phenny> "yiff": 74.14% (2 rocks; 41 rules; 15 sucks; 0 blows)
19:34:32 <sbp> that would be great
19:34:46 <sbp> perhaps it should be for pages that Google has censored from the results
19:35:41 <sbp> <phenny> DeCSS: -53,100
19:37:25 <deltab> .rate "My Neighbor Totoro"
19:37:32 <phenny> "My Neighbor Totoro": 100.0% (0 rocks; 6 rules; 0 sucks; 0 blows)
19:37:42 <KragenSitaker> phenny, tell clarity_ he might be interested in these comments on skip lists: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/cairo/2006-September/007882.html
19:37:44 <phenny> KragenSitaker: I'll pass that on when clarity_ is around.
19:38:16 <bpt> .rate knurling
19:38:26 <phenny> "knurling": 0.0% (0 rocks; 0 rules; 12 sucks; 0 blows)
19:39:32 * sbp wonders in what capacity Kragen and clarity_ know one another
19:41:04 <KragenSitaker> #swhack
19:41:22 <sbp> interesting
19:42:13 <l7> re sbp
19:42:38 <l7> kragen mentioned the bots here so i decided i had to check them out :)
19:45:11 <sbp> aha
19:45:15 <sbp> "In conditional statements, the conditional clause precedes the conclusion as the normal order in all languages."
19:45:20 <sbp> - http://angli02.kgw.tu-berlin.de/Korean/Artikel02/syntax.html
19:45:33 <sbp> makes me think of unless, in both English and Perl
19:46:49 <bjoern_> unless (...) { ... } or ... unless ...? :-)
19:47:10 <sbp> ooh... :-)
19:47:38 <monkinetic> perl tends to do { ... } unless ();
19:48:04 <bjoern_> Perl programmers
19:48:24 <Jabberwock> psh...
19:48:58 <Jabberwock> How would you print 10 random strings in perl followed by their length?
19:49:28 <bjoern_> use print, `perldoc -f print`
19:50:24 <Jabberwock> I was going to wait for someone to code it and then laugh :P
19:56:26 <KragenSitaker> sbp: except in python
19:56:45 <KragenSitaker> (or perl, as noted)
19:57:08 <sbp> interesting: "IF basic order is SVO, THEN the negation marker most commonly occurs between subject and verb." - 109 in http://ling.uni-konstanz.de:591/Universals/FMPro?-db=Universals&-format=result.html&-lay=Layout+%231&-max=10&-LOP=and&-op=bw&number=&-op=bw&Original=&-op=bw&Standardized=&-op=eq&Formula=SVO&-op=bw&Keywords=&-op=bw&Domain=&-op=bw&Type=&-op=bw&Status=&-op=bw&Quality=&-op=bw&Basis=&-op=bw&Source=&-op=bw&Counterexamples=&-op=bw&Comments=&-f
19:57:08 <sbp> ind=+Search+
19:57:12 <sbp> urgh, horrible URI
19:57:21 <twe> That type of the layout, i doubt many other things.. But i'm a smoker or something.
19:57:30 <jsled> &-op=Monty
19:57:30 <KragenSitaker> or something.
19:57:33 <sbp> KragenSitaker: except what in Python?
19:57:35 <Monty> http://www.postneo.com/2006/12/20/pardon-the-dust stop working right thing i couldn't put elements away
19:57:37 <KragenSitaker> it makes me doubt many other things
19:57:47 <KragenSitaker> sbp: conclusion if conditional else alternate
19:58:10 <sbp> oh right, that new pile of shit
19:58:23 <sbp> glad I have evidence now with which to label it shit
19:59:52 <sbp> "IF basic word order is SVO, THEN the words tend to be monosyllabic." - 361
20:00:27 <sbp> though the basis for that is unspecified, and the source is listed as "Anonymous 1771, as interpreted in Plank 1996, 1998"
20:00:29 <sbp> 1771!
20:01:32 <monkinetic> i call upon the dark regex powers of the Swhack to help me make a pattern!
20:02:10 <sbp> hello there
20:02:14 <monkinetic> i need to parse a link, making sure that it contains a particular URL, and grabbing (via grouping) the value of the REL and REV attributes
20:02:28 <sbp> you'll have to do an OR on the groups
20:02:36 <monkinetic> right now i can find links with the URI: /.*<a[^>]+".$link."[^>]*>([^>]+)<\/a>.*/
20:02:40 <sbp> because you can't tell whether rel/rev will come after or before the link
20:02:46 <monkinetic> right
20:03:07 <sbp> sadly > can appear in attribute values, I believe
20:03:14 <sbp> but I use [^>] too... it generally works. so:
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20:05:40 <sbp> r'<a[^>]+?(?:re[lv]=[\'"](\S+)[\'"])?[^>]*?[^>]*?href=[\'"](\S+)[\'"][^>]+?(?:re[lv]=[\'"](\S+)[\'"])?'
20:05:44 <sbp> something hideous like that, perhaps
20:06:19 <sbp> better yet, use BeautifulSoup
20:08:29 <sbp> whoops, that won't catch href, rel, rev
20:10:53 <deltab> or match the whole tag first, then attributes within it
20:12:03 <monkinetic> yeah, i'm thinking two-pass is way easier
20:12:46 <sbp> wait, I have a compact idea...
20:13:27 <bjoern_> omg html parsing with regexn
20:15:37 <monkinetic> heh
20:15:43 <monkinetic> i bring out the best in swhack
20:15:49 <monkinetic> and worst
20:16:28 <KragenSitaker> i'm sure you can write a regex for it
20:16:39 <sbp> monkinetic:
20:16:40 <sbp> .eval list(__import__('re').compile(r'<a[^>]+?(?:(href|re[lv])\s*=\s*[\'"]?(\S+)[\'"]?[^>]+?)(?:(href|re[lv])\s*=\s*[\'"]?(\S+)[\'"]?[^>]+?)(?:(href|re[lv])\s*=\s*[\'"]?(\S+)[\'"]?[^>]+?)').search('<a href="uri" rel="relation" title="test" rev="backwards">').groups())
20:16:42 <phenny> ['href', 'uri"', 'rel', 'relation"', 'rev', 'backwards']
20:16:58 <KragenSitaker> you may want to write it in parts
20:17:07 <KragenSitaker> .eval __import__('os')
20:17:16 <KragenSitaker> .eval __import__
20:17:32 <KragenSitaker> .eval [1, __import__][1]
20:17:49 <KragenSitaker> phenny doesn't love me
20:17:55 <sbp> nope. she's very picky though
20:18:14 <KragenSitaker> good for her
20:18:35 <bjoern_> don't forget to htmlunescape the attribute values
20:18:44 <sbp> she avoids Monty's guttersluticity
20:18:44 <Monty> sbp!
20:18:47 <sbp> hi!
20:18:53 <sbp> how are you, Monty?
20:18:53 <Monty> aye
20:18:58 <sbp> excellent
20:19:18 * bjoern_ suspects Monty meant to say 'awe'
20:19:18 <Monty> nobody can you usually what nsh's name i decided i know? That what brings it appears in like porting it isn't folger's brand pot for non-torrent tcp acks
20:20:42 <sbp> basic entity unparser in http://inamidst.com/code/getlinks.py
20:20:51 <sbp> along with just about anything else I do that handles HTML (grumble)
20:21:55 <deltab> Monty: swhack and awe!
20:21:57 <Monty> equipped equinoctial thumbs?!
20:22:05 <sbp> .w equinoctial
20:22:08 <phenny> equinoctial 1. the great circle on the celestial sphere midway between the celestial poles
20:22:12 <phenny> equinoctial 2. relating to the vicinity of the equator
20:22:16 <phenny> equinoctial 3. relating to an equinox (when the lengths or night and day are equal) [...]
20:22:18 <twe> The stylesheet http://mattread.com/style.css was not unique. Cicero, writing in the 1.
20:22:22 <sbp> oh, adjectivalise(equinox)
20:23:08 <sbp> .compare equinoxy equinocal equinocial equinoctial equinoxish
20:23:13 <phenny> equinoctial (411,000), equinocial (40,800), equinoxy (284), equinocal (35), equinoxish (5)
20:23:19 <KragenSitaker> Dahut: have you ever been to any place equinoctial?
20:23:20 <bjoern_> who can make http://www.bjoernsworld.de/temp/bubble-bump.png a lot smaller with little or no loss? I'd like the command sequence using tools like imagemagick, pngcrush, etc. I suspect you could gain a bit by picking a proper palette, but I didn't bother to figure out how to do that exactly...
20:23:20 <dahut> KragenSitaker: I don't think I have been there. Where is it.
20:23:32 <bjoern_> (it's already been pngcrush'd)
20:23:37 <KragenSitaker> dahut: in the vicinity of the equator
20:23:38 <dahut> KragenSitaker: What else is in THE vicinity of the equator?
20:23:44 <KragenSitaker> dahut: quito
20:23:45 <dahut> KragenSitaker: It does now :) INQUIRY.
20:23:47 * Arnia boings again
20:23:50 <KragenSitaker> hi Arnia
20:24:20 <sbp> bjoern_:
20:24:22 <sbp> $ ls -al bubble*
20:24:22 <sbp> -rw------- 1 sbp sbp 5446 Dec 20 20:23 bubble-bump.png
20:24:22 <sbp> -rw------- 1 sbp sbp 6953 Dec 21 03:51 bubble-bump.png.bak
20:24:31 * Arnia waves to KragenSitaker
20:24:33 <sbp> using $ optipng -o7 -v -k bubble-bump.png
20:24:36 <sbp> .g optipng
20:24:38 <jsled> backup from the future.
20:24:39 <phenny> sbp: http://www.cs.toronto.edu/~cosmin/pngtech/optipng/
20:25:13 <bjoern_> omg sf.net have changed their download pages once again
20:25:18 <bjoern_> they get worse each time
20:25:53 <bjoern_> care to say what the parameters do?
20:25:59 <jsled> WTF are those green squares?
20:26:07 <sbp> it is amazing how they persist at defying the most basic download usability principles
20:26:09 <Arnia> Pick a mirror
20:26:15 <Arnia> Any mirror :p
20:26:18 <bjoern_> there are green squares?
20:26:23 <sbp> -o level
20:26:24 <sbp> Select the optimization level.
20:26:26 <Arnia> Or we'll pick the slowest one :p
20:26:33 <sbp> -v Run in verbose mode / Show copyright, version and build info.
20:26:40 <sbp> -k, -keep
20:26:40 * Arnia went to secondary school after they scrapped O Levels
20:26:41 <sbp> Keep a backup of the modified file(s).
20:26:44 <sbp> - man optipng
20:26:55 <jsled> Oh, I middle-clicked on it and got another copy of the same page in the new tab; it's a damn javascript overlay, now.
20:27:19 <sbp> -o7 is the highest optimisation level possible
20:27:30 <sbp> it's equivalent to -zc1-9 -zm8-9 -zs0-3 -f0-5, and performs 240 trials on the input
20:27:53 <sbp> you can do -zc1-9 -zm1-9 -zs0-3 -f0-5 though, which is meant to be better: over 1000 trials
20:28:05 <Arnia> ...
20:28:11 * Arnia hides from those command lines
20:29:09 <sbp> okay, optipng -zc1-9 -zm1-9 -zs0-3 -f0-5 -v -k bubble.png didn't crush it any further
20:29:24 <sbp> so -o7 is probably "good enough" as optipng -h advises
20:30:10 * bjoern_ wonders about web sites comparing pngcrush and optipng
20:30:26 * bjoern_ ... as in, whether I could simply drop pngcrush in favour of optipng
20:30:37 <sbp> I believe you can
20:30:40 <sbp> based on hearsay
20:30:43 * sbp handwaves
20:30:52 <sbp> seriously, I think I read just that information somewhere
20:31:10 <sbp> I used to use pngcrush + pngrewrite
20:31:24 <sbp> you have to use pngrewrite first: it rewrites the palette
20:31:32 <sbp> but now I only use optipng
20:31:37 <crschmidt> OPTI PNG
20:31:43 <crschmidt> feels kinda ominous
20:31:47 <crschmidt> why am i still a bot :(
20:31:48 <sbp> hehe
20:32:05 <jsled> Monty uses opticrush.
20:32:08 <Monty> dahut wins! (I had mentioned (mumbled, hah) him
20:32:09 <dahut> Monty: I am very pleased to meet you Monty. Do you have a hard time completing projects? Do you still have mentioned mumbled hah him ?
20:32:11 <Monty> another conversation, after
20:32:19 <bjoern_> OMG BOTS TURNING INTO HUMANS
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20:32:39 <bjoern_> and run awa... and come back
20:32:41 <crschmidt> NOT A REAL SOLUTION
20:32:41 <sbp> crschmidt: give me a second, I'm doing it!
20:32:45 <crschmidt> heh
20:32:48 <bjoern_> second's up!
20:33:04 <deltab> jsled: the 'layers' icon from http://www.famfamfam.com/lab/icons/silk/preview.php, apparently used here to represent mirrors
20:33:05 <sbp> phenny: reload devoice
20:33:08 <phenny> sbp: <module 'modules.devoice' from '/home/sbp/phenny/modules/devoice.py'> (version: 2006-12-20 20:32:44)
20:33:12 <sbp> should work now
20:33:42 <sbp> giving was me, taking was phenny
20:33:47 <bjoern_> So I updated http://www.bjoernsworld.de/temp/bubble-bump.png - feel free to improve it further!
20:34:09 <sbp> $ curl -s http://www.bjoernsworld.de/temp/bubble-bump.png | wc -m
20:34:10 <sbp> 5446
20:34:13 <bjoern_> I suspect dropping some of the colors would help
20:34:17 <sbp> impossible. optipng is UNBEATABLE
20:34:30 <sbp> well, how much information can you lose?
20:34:33 <bjoern_> well, that's what we want to find out...
20:34:43 <bjoern_> that I'm not sure about
20:34:59 <sbp> er, well, you could scale the colours down to 2, but that would probably be too far
20:35:05 <sbp> depends what the purpose of the image is
20:35:08 <bjoern_> how many colors are there anyway?
20:35:11 <sbp> which we don't know
20:35:13 * sbp checks
20:36:36 <bjoern_> I used to have all the fancy tools installed to determine things like that...
20:37:48 <sbp> 182
20:37:55 <sbp> sigh. so did I. it was easy in IrfanView
20:37:58 * sbp hugs IrfanView
20:38:16 <sbp> now I have to do Gimp -> Filters -> Colors -> Colorcube Analysis (wtf?)
20:39:11 <bjoern_> I guess my photoshop is waaaay too old to offer such functionality...
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20:39:32 * bjoern_ goes check how pixel32 is coming along
20:43:04 <bjoern_> ooh, I have gimp installed
20:43:38 * sbp tries installing Xee
20:43:45 * bjoern_ starts it, becomes terrified by orange-colored german-language installation-something screen
20:46:14 <bjoern_> I really can't believe there exists anyone who thinks GIMP has an acceptable user interface
20:46:21 <sbp> hmm, Xee is okay, but still doesn't hold a candle to IrfanView
20:46:29 <sbp> nope, GIMP is terrible UIwise
20:46:37 <sbp> and load-time-wize
20:46:39 <sbp> er, wise
20:48:10 <bjoern_> .compare Kompressionsfakrot Kompressionsfaktor
20:48:14 <phenny> Kompressionsfaktor (24,000), Kompressionsfakrot (4)
20:48:24 <bjoern_> .gc Kompressionsfakrot -gimp
20:48:25 <sbp> FAC ROT
20:48:27 <phenny> Kompressionsfakrot -gimp: 0
20:49:04 <bjoern_> @translate german to english Reiter
20:49:05 <supybot> bjoern_: Rider
20:49:26 <bjoern_> that's how they translate "tab"
20:49:28 <sbp> you C.C. rider, you see what you have done!
20:49:31 <sbp> ouch
20:50:31 <bjoern_> I couldn't figure out how to change the language to english and closed the damn thing
20:50:34 <bjoern_> feeling much better now
20:50:39 <sbp> hehe
20:51:02 <sbp> if you're on Windows, just get IrfanView, man
20:51:05 <sbp> .g IrfanView
20:51:08 <phenny> sbp: http://www.irfanview.com/
20:51:17 <sbp> there is no better graphics related software I have ever used
20:51:31 <bjoern_> the OS community should free pixel32 and dump gimp
20:51:39 <sbp> .wik pixel32
20:51:43 <phenny> "Pixel image editor (formerly known as Pixel32) is an Adobe Photoshop-like image editor written by Pavel Kanzelsberger." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pixel32
20:52:14 <sbp> it's any good?
20:52:32 <deltab> sbp: how long does GIMP take to load for you? for me it's only 7 seconds
20:52:47 <bjoern_> I never got past the screenshots, but those I liked
20:53:03 <sbp> deltab: testing...
20:53:32 <sbp> yeah, about the same
20:53:48 <sbp> IrfanView opens instantly... :-)
20:53:59 <bjoern_> ~10s here...
20:54:18 <deltab> I seem to remember it taking much longer
20:54:47 <sbp> IrfanView? no way
20:54:52 <Arnia> ugh... mdi
20:54:56 <sbp> I've been using it since 1999 or so, and it's always been instant
20:55:01 <deltab> no, GIMP
20:55:04 <sbp> if you mean Gimp in past, on the other hand, qui... aye
20:55:06 <sbp> quite possibly
20:55:11 <bjoern_> oh, and I suppose I could do with 64 colors in my image
20:55:15 <sbp> mdi?
20:55:20 <sbp> .g file-format mdi
20:55:26 <phenny> sbp: http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/help/HP062193601033.aspx
20:55:32 <deltab> multi-document interface
20:55:39 <sbp> ah, thanks
20:56:01 <bjoern_> I think GIMP reminds me of the old Visual Basic IDE
20:56:04 <deltab> .wik Multiple Document Interface
20:56:08 <phenny> "Graphical computer applications with a Multiple Document Interface (MDI) are those whose windows reside under a single parent window (usually with the exception of modal windows), as opposed to all windows being separate from each other (single document interface)." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple_Document_Interface
20:56:08 <Arnia> I hate MDI user interfaces
20:56:14 * bjoern_ too
20:56:24 <sbp> likewise...
20:56:26 <Arnia> Pixel32 is MDI
20:56:36 <sbp> Gimp too
20:56:40 <sbp> IrfanView isn't!
20:56:44 <Arnia> Gimp is a variant on SFI
20:56:47 <Arnia> SDI
20:57:11 <Arnia> Well, Gimp on X11 at any rate
20:57:21 <Arnia> Gimp on Win32 is MDI unfortunately :(
20:58:31 <bjoern_> oh, I'm fine with "MDI" as Photoshop does it, for example.
20:58:31 <bjoern_> I guess, in that sense, it depends on the application.
20:59:45 <deltab> the presence of a containing window?
21:00:25 <bjoern_> whether I like "MDI" or not.
21:01:17 <Arnia> I hate all MDIs :)
21:01:36 <bjoern_> how about tabs in web browsers?
21:01:37 <Arnia> It is an excuse for poor window management :)
21:01:58 <Arnia> bjoern_: I use them, but they're not quite so offensive
21:02:07 <bjoern_> I BROWSE TAB FREE !
21:02:18 * Arnia looks intimidated
21:02:36 * monkinetic w
