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00:16:22 <l7> @dict yak
00:16:23 <supybot> l7: wn, gcide, and moby-thes responded: wn: yak n 1: noisy talk [syn: {yack}, {yakety-yak}, {chatter}, {cackle}] 2: large long-haired wild ox of Tibet often domesticated [syn: {Bos grunniens}] [also: {yakking}, {yakked}]; gcide: Yak \Yak\ (y[a^]k), n. [Tibetan gyag.] (Zool.) A bovine mammal ({Poephagus grunnies}) native of the high plains of Central Asia. Its neck, the outer side of its legs, and its (4 more messages)
00:16:26 <l7> .wik yak
00:16:32 <phenny> "The yak (Bos grunniens) is a long-haired humped domestic bovine found in Tibet and throughout the Himalayan region of south central Asia, as well as in Mongolia." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yak
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00:23:46 <l7> .wik core2
00:23:56 <phenny> "Core 2 is an eighth-generation x86 architecture microprocessor produced by Intel and based on the Intel Core microarchitecture; successor of the NetBurst microarchitecture that has powered most Intel processors since 2000." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Core2
00:24:01 <l7> .wik core2duo
00:24:07 <phenny> "The Core 2 microprocessor from Intel is an eighth-generation dual-core CPU targeted at the consumer and business market." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_Core_2_microprocessors
00:24:15 <l7> .wik netburst
00:24:19 <phenny> "The Intel NetBurst Microarchitecture, called P68 inside Intel, is the successor to the P6 microarchitecture in the x86 family of CPUs made by Intel." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netburst
00:24:30 <l7> .wik Microarchitecture
00:24:35 <phenny> "In computer science and computer engineering, a microarchitecture (sometime abbreviated to µarch or uarch) is the design and layout of a microprocessor, microcontroller, or digital signal processor." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microarchitecture
00:24:36 <l7> .wik intel
00:24:53 <l7> .wik microprocessor
00:24:56 <phenny> "Intel Corporation (NASDAQ: INTC)(SEHK: 4335) is the world's largest semiconductor company and the leading manufacturer of the x86 series of microprocessors, the processor in IBM PC-compatible personal computers." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel
00:25:01 <phenny> "A microprocessor (sometimes abbreviated µP) is a programmable digital electronic component that incorporates the functions of a central processing unit (CPU) on a single semiconducting integrated circuit (IC)." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microprocessor
00:25:19 <l7> .wik microcontroller
00:25:23 <phenny> "A microcontroller (or MCU) is a computer-on-a-chip used to control electronic devices." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microcontroller
00:25:26 <l7> .wik digital signal processor
00:25:29 <phenny> "A digital signal processor (DSP) is a specialized microprocessor designed specifically for digital signal processing, generally in real-time." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_signal_processor
00:25:41 <l7> .wik central processing unit
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00:25:50 <phenny> "A central processing unit (CPU), or sometimes simply processor, is the component in a digital computer that interprets computer program instructions and processes data." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_processing_unit
00:29:42 <l7> .wik integrated circuit
00:29:54 <phenny> "A monolithic integrated circuit (also known as IC, microcircuit, microchip, silicon chip, computer chip or chip) is a miniaturized electronic circuit (consisting mainly of semiconductor devices, as well as passive components) that has been manufactured in the surface [...]" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integrated_circuit
00:30:20 <l7> .wik semiconductor
00:30:32 <phenny> "A semiconductor is a solid whose electrical conductivity can be controlled over a wide range, either permanently or dynamically." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semiconductor
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01:42:30 <redmonk> seasons greetings, what ho
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02:01:26 *** BigJibby changed the topic to: "Why, today sir? it's Christmas Day! | 1f u c4n r34d th1s u r34lly n33d t0 g37 l41d"
02:05:55 <RandyWalker> lol BigJibby
02:32:08 *** bancus changed the topic to: " Why, today sir? it's Christmas Day! | 1f u c4n r34d th1s u r34lly n33d t0 g37 l41d"
02:32:11 <bancus> ack
02:32:33 <RandyWalker> bancus: what did you do?!
02:32:35 *** bancus changed the topic to: " Why, today sir? it's Christmas Day! | 1f u c4n r34d th1s u r34lly n33d t0 g37 l41d | Y35, u w4nn4 h3lp?"
02:32:43 <bancus> Hit enter before putting my addition in.
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02:51:36 <Monty> yo kpreid___!
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03:30:06 <BigJibby> .mw compendium
03:30:10 <phenny> Entry: com·pen·di·um /k&m-'pen-dE-&m/, noun
03:30:13 <phenny> Entry: 1 : a brief summary of a larger work or of a field of knowledge : ABSTRACT2 a : a list of a number of items b : COLLECTION, COMPILATION [...]
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03:42:21 <Administrador_> hi guys someone interes bussiness? i want to interchage some root password from a ISP server just for couple joomlas templeates comercial
03:44:30 <BigJibby> dude! that's easy with GRABS!
03:45:43 <BigJibby> heheh3, I mean HTTP GRABS off cousre
03:45:56 <BigJibby> heh, course*
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04:12:35 <Monty> Speak of the devil, it's cori[s]!
04:12:52 <cori[s]> ahem
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04:54:18 <Monty> it's Arnia_!
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09:07:33 <xorl> anyone here?
09:07:49 <Arnia> No
09:07:52 <Arnia> Only us bots
09:07:57 <Arnia> We get very lonely
09:08:01 <xorl> hahaha
09:08:21 <xorl> You know how to change the default interpreter for phenny from . to ! or @ even?
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09:12:26 <xorl> wow
09:12:30 <xorl> i overlooked it like 10 times.
09:13:13 <est> xorl: what is answer?
09:13:14 <est> also, i dont understand the question :D
09:13:22 <est> Arnia: you have me!
09:15:42 <Arnia> .me bounces
09:30:44 <xorl> now to get it to notice a single user instead of the whole channel X_X
09:31:14 <xorl> shouldnt the 'NOTICE', recipient, send it to the recipient :\
09:31:24 <xorl> it's just thinking the channel is the recipient
09:31:33 <xorl> which is bugging me
09:36:02 <xorl> est: you know how to get it to NOTICE an individual user as per notice instead of the privmsg way that just messages the whole channel? and sepcifies the nick?
09:37:04 <est> no
09:37:43 <xorl> damnit.
09:38:06 <xorl> I could do this if i understood the python better although simple.
09:38:57 <est> what's the hard part?
09:40:18 <est> i really lack context for your question
09:41:10 <est> is this an irc question or a phenny question? [[[ fgrep -ri notice .
09:41:10 <est> ./irc.py: def notice(self, dest, text):
09:41:10 <est> ./irc.py: self.write(('NOTICE', dest), text)
09:41:12 <est> ]]]
09:41:33 <xorl> Sorry, e.g. you run a command .char for instance, Instead of self.msg, i changed it to self.notice, instead of going to recipient it goes to the whole channel.
09:42:27 <xorl> Just trying to figure out how I can get it to go to recipient
09:43:00 <xorl> so it's phenny/irc related.
09:43:04 <est> is origin.sender a good value?
09:44:48 <xorl> It should be, I will try for a sec.
09:48:04 <xorl> eh. that didnt work
09:48:06 <xorl> hmm hold on
09:50:54 <xorl> negative.
09:51:20 <est> riiight
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09:55:31 <xorl> got it
09:55:47 <xorl> retarded, just origin.nick in the fricken f_ portion of the module.
09:55:57 <xorl> origin.sender of course is the damn channel.
09:55:58 <xorl> sheesh.
09:56:08 * xorl is blind.
09:56:20 <est> i see
09:56:36 <est> actually, i cant see where Origin objects are instantiated
09:59:04 <xorl> Me either.
09:59:10 <est> :D
09:59:19 <xorl> I was looking for the def of origin and where 'sender/nick' were defined.
09:59:24 <xorl> Guess that was a "guessing" game lol
09:59:35 <est> i mean, it happens in the found_terminator() method..but i dont see that mentioned ever
09:59:43 <est> well..that's ok
10:03:35 <xorl> least we figured it out :)
10:05:34 <est> yes sir
10:05:36 <est> big up
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10:21:30 *** malware is now known as mike
10:23:04 <sbp> Slashdot tags win again
10:23:15 <sbp> Article: Ideal Linux System for Newbies?
10:23:25 <sbp> Tags: ubuntu, macosx, linux, mandriva, askslashdot
10:24:14 *** mike is now known as malware
10:24:24 *** malware is now known as mike
10:25:11 *** mike is now known as mike^smith
10:25:34 <RandyWalker> sbp: ping
10:25:50 *** mike^smith is now known as MikeSmith
10:27:16 <sbp> RandyWalker: pong
10:27:29 <RandyWalker> sbp: did you see my request for phenny?
10:31:04 <sbp> nope?
10:31:10 <huf> there is no "Ideal Linux System for Newbies"
10:31:16 <huf> what's wrong with /.?
10:32:08 <sbp> I thought the main funny thing was "macosx"
10:32:49 <huf> well yeah
10:32:54 <huf> but i find the title funny topo
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10:43:22 <l7> .wik china
10:43:37 <phenny> "China (Traditional Chinese: 中國; Simplified Chinese: 中国; Hanyu Pinyin: Zhōngguó (help·info); Tongyong Pinyin: Jhongguó) is a cultural region and ancient civilization in East Asia." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China
10:45:55 <l7> .wik culture
10:46:09 <phenny> "Culture (from the Latin cultura stemming from colere, meaning 'to cultivate'), generally refers to patterns of human activity and the symbolic structures that give such activity significance." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture
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11:31:00 <RandyWalker> sbp: ping? (sorry)
11:31:55 <sbp> RandyWalker: pong
11:32:23 <RandyWalker> sbp: heh, I recommended that phenny have an interface to http://blaccuweather.com/
11:32:43 <sbp> -> http://king.made2own.com/suspended.page/
11:32:48 <sbp> [[[
11:32:49 <sbp> This Account Has Been Suspended
11:32:49 <sbp> Please contact the billing/support department as soon as possible.
11:32:50 <sbp> ]]]
11:32:53 <RandyWalker> d'oh!!!
11:32:54 <RandyWalker> wtf
11:34:11 <RandyWalker> aw
11:34:20 <RandyWalker> it's Ollie Williams giving weather reports
11:35:40 <est> sbp: gleepings
11:37:01 <sbp> gleep
11:37:06 <sbp> .wik Ollie Williams
11:37:10 <phenny> "Quahog 5 (WQHG) is the local television station the FOX network TV show Family Guy." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quahog_5
11:37:21 <est> xorl and i were hackin teh phenny
11:37:48 <sbp> yup, saw that. thanks for helping him out!
11:39:59 <est> so where is Origin instantiated?
11:40:43 <sbp> somewhere in irc.py, I think
11:41:11 <sbp> $ grep 'Origin(' *.py
11:41:11 <sbp> irc.py:class Origin(object):
11:41:11 <sbp> irc.py: origin = Origin(self, source, args)
11:41:44 <est> yes..but..
11:41:45 <est> that happens in a method i dont see mentioned anywhere
11:42:17 <est> only in its definition!
11:42:17 <est> i feel like ive walked through..
11:42:33 <est> The Scary Door
11:43:02 <est> guess i could drop a backtrace
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11:50:10 <Monty> hey est_
11:50:24 * est_ booboo
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11:51:29 <sbp> est: that's called by asynchat automatically. see the superclass definition
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11:52:26 <est_> aha
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12:25:00 <est> at last!
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12:58:41 <Monty> Speak of the devil, it's test!
13:00:51 <test> oops i was in the bathroom
13:01:04 <test> just testing
13:03:48 <sbp> success
13:03:50 <phenny> sbp: 12:01Z <Morbus> tell sbp that tb 2.0 has a new retention policy feature - i've not setup my rss items folder to only keep the last 30 days of posts, so that i don't get too far behind. i'm hovering around 17,000 items with a 30 day policy
13:04:30 <est> testing bathroom operations?
13:04:49 <KragenSitaker> tuberculosis 2.0?
13:04:54 <sbp> +n in here is a MISTAKE perpetrated by CHANSERV
13:05:20 <KragenSitaker> +n means randoms can't send to the channel without being on it?
13:05:32 <KragenSitaker> i forget
13:06:13 <sbp> correct
13:06:50 <sbp> I've found it useful in the past to have it unset a) for jokes, and b) when using a CGI:IRC client that would only join non-#swhack channels on Freenode
13:07:41 <est> is that like a CGI:IRC tradition?
13:08:03 <sbp> well, you can set it to only enable a certain enumerated list of channels
13:08:15 <sbp> but I don't know how popular it is to do that
13:09:07 <sbp> oh, unless you're referring to my odd negation. heh. I meant a certain set of channels that don't include #swhack, of course
13:09:20 <sbp> that would be great though. ANY CHANNEL BUT SWHACK
13:09:48 *** sbp changed the topic to: "No longer Christmas Day. Not even Boxing Day. If anything, Boxing Boxing Day. Merry Metaboxing Day everyone!"
13:12:39 <est> how was the boxing?
13:13:19 <sbp> Jill says it was a KO
13:13:23 <sbp> I think she probably nutted someone
13:13:28 <est> sbp: i will keep that restriction in mind when developing any irc clients :)
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13:13:43 <est> nutted?
13:13:50 <sbp> hehe. Jill just asked the same thing
13:13:56 <sbp> it means headbutted, in UK slang
13:14:04 <sbp> nut being a slang term for the bonce
13:14:06 <sbp> viz, the head
13:14:12 <sbp> bonce is another slang term. we have many
13:14:14 <est> yeah
13:14:33 <est> related to "nutter"!
13:14:42 <sbp> oh yes, could be!
13:14:55 * est original nuttah
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13:15:18 <sbp> you have noggin there, right?
13:15:23 <sbp> actually I know you do. Simpsons
13:15:23 <jilldaw> do I hear that est is around?
13:15:30 <sbp> *appears*
13:15:36 <est> thats a vicious rumor
13:15:49 <jilldaw> heh. The Simpsons is sbp's primary window into US culture
13:15:52 <jilldaw> hello, est!
13:15:54 <est> sbp: yes..and it feels close to noodle
13:15:55 <jilldaw> merry thingy
13:16:06 <est> gleepings, jillium
13:16:09 * jilldaw bows
13:16:12 <sbp> which seems to be corrupted into "I'll noodle on it"
13:16:19 <sbp> TimBL says the very odd variant "nurdle"
13:16:29 <sbp> I've not heard of nurdle used for head though
13:18:23 <sbp> page of fun reading, for me: http://chatlogs.planetrdf.com/search?q=nurdle&Go=Go&channel=rdfig&count=50&case=yes
13:20:14 <sbp> 1. To push the ball into a space in order to take a quick single in the game of Cricket.
13:20:17 <KragenSitaker> oh hi jilldaw
13:20:22 <sbp> 2. A small blob, usually but not always placed with intent.
13:20:30 <sbp> 3. The up and down movement of a cats front paws on an object (or person) before laying down.
13:20:31 <jilldaw> hiya, Kragen!
13:20:36 <sbp> - http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=nurdle
13:20:45 <KragenSitaker> how've you been all these months and years?
13:21:30 <jilldaw> not bad -- been through quite a transition the past couple of years
13:21:41 <jilldaw> moved countries and started a masters degree
13:22:35 * jilldaw has made a solid start on learning the International Phonetic Alphabet
13:22:59 <est> jilldaw: where you at now??
13:23:02 <sbp> another definition of nurdle:
13:23:05 <sbp> That little daub of toothpaste you put on your toothbrush. This term is used by the toothpaste industry.
13:23:07 <sbp> - http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1043879
13:23:11 <sbp> not to mention the tiddlywinks one I found ages ago
13:23:19 <jilldaw> est: I'm in my little flat on the south coast of England
13:23:31 <est> wow
13:23:35 <jilldaw> yeah
13:23:49 <est> id like to go record shopping in the uk
13:24:08 <est> i buy tons of records from there via ebay
13:24:17 <jilldaw> oooh
13:24:41 <jilldaw> I have a room in Camden Town, where there are a lot of funky record shops
13:24:46 <jilldaw> I bet you would be in heaven there
13:29:56 * jilldaw finishes downloading Nuttah VIP
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13:29:58 * jilldaw cranks it up
13:30:03 * jilldaw loves it instantly
13:32:41 <est> i was introduced to it by a dj in sf in 2000
13:33:06 <est> same set in which i first heard "hip hop phenomenon"
13:34:04 <jilldaw> I still listen to that cut frequently
13:34:28 <est> me too
13:34:36 <jilldaw> oh, no, wait, that's one of the ones I lost
13:34:41 <jilldaw> which one...
13:34:42 <est> :o
13:34:51 <est> well..both
13:34:55 <jilldaw> it's Hyperreal Orbit I listen to
13:34:57 <jilldaw> oops
13:35:11 <jilldaw> say, do you have a copy of "hip hop phenomenon"? :)
13:35:17 <est> mmm
13:35:31 * jilldaw checks iTunes
13:36:28 <jilldaw> what's the name of the artist?
13:36:49 <est> bt & tsunami one
13:37:02 <est> tsunami one being brighton based :)
13:37:32 <jilldaw> oh, really?
13:37:53 <jilldaw> heh. the local gym (which is in Hove, just west of Brighton) plays a lot of Fat Boy Slim
13:38:27 <jilldaw> oh, cool, itunes has three versions
13:38:30 * jilldaw listens to samples
13:39:49 <jilldaw> the three itunes versions are by Tsunami One, by BT, and by Tsunami One & BT
13:39:51 <jilldaw> amusing
13:40:07 <est> heh
13:40:21 <est> ive only heard two
13:40:47 <jilldaw> oh, what the heck
13:40:51 * jilldaw buys all three
13:41:01 <jilldaw> GOIN WILD ON THE THREE BUCKS HERE
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14:02:17 <kandinski> rowr!
14:27:30 <KragenSitaker> :)
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14:56:59 <redmonk> hello
14:58:11 <KragenSitaker> .ety nasturtium
14:58:15 <phenny> "c.1150, 'plant like watercress,' from L. nasturtium 'cress;' the popular etymology explanation of the name (Pliny) is that it is from L. *nasitortium, lit. 'nose-twist,' from nasus 'nose' + pp. of torquere 'to twist' (see thwart); the plant so called for its pungent odor." - http://etymonline.com/?term=nasturtium
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17:29:13 * RandyWalker is so happy his new phone is here!
17:41:13 <huf> phones are evil.
17:42:15 <RandyWalker> lol huf
17:42:26 <huf> what? i've always felt this very strongly
17:42:39 <huf> any day when my phone rings more than 3 times is a bad day
17:42:54 <RandyWalker> my phone doesn't ring that often
17:44:34 <huf> never?
17:47:51 <RandyWalker> lol, once in a while... like if I'm planning something with somebody or the like
18:10:01 <huf> oh that dont bother me
18:10:09 <huf> phones are good for plannin how to get drunk
18:10:41 <huf> but irc and irl are both far superior
18:31:04 <RandyWalker> haha
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18:37:26 <mzeltner> Hey, anyone here at 23C3?
18:37:47 <bancus> There's supposed to be a lojbanist there.
18:37:55 <bancus> I forget his name.
18:38:17 <bancus> He's doing a workshop though.
18:41:38 <mzeltner> There probably are a couple ;)
18:41:58 <mzeltner> I mean, people that speak lojban
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18:52:45 <Monty> hey mzeltner_
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19:44:38 <mzeltner> Everywhere people staring at their screens
19:44:40 <mzeltner> It's creepy
19:45:15 <kandinski> hey
19:45:38 <kandinski> I am missing on the screen-staring fun this year
19:45:40 <kandinski> wait-
19:45:47 * kandinski is now staring at a screen too
19:46:25 <mzeltner> :'(
19:46:30 <mzeltner> I was hoping you were here
19:46:40 <int-e> please stare at this point >< for five minutes.
19:49:29 <kandinski> sorry
19:49:35 <kandinski> I am moving to Australia in seven weks
19:49:41 <kandinski> weeks
19:49:57 <kandinski> I have negative free time now
19:51:02 <mzeltner> Where in Australia?
19:51:46 <kandinski> Melb
19:53:10 <mzeltner> Hawt
19:53:55 <mzeltner> Know a few people there but surely contacts that aren't interesting for you at all :)
19:54:06 <mzeltner> Girl or job?
19:56:10 <kandinski> woman
19:56:29 <kandinski> we are both grown ups, that "girl" business is for you young'uns
19:56:37 <KragenSitaker> chica?
19:56:42 <kandinski> chica o chico?
19:56:45 <kandinski> heh
19:56:46 <KragenSitaker> this is one case where spanish is clearly superior to english
19:56:59 <kandinski> how are you dealing with Argentinian Spanish?
19:57:19 <mzeltner> Bah
19:57:57 <KragenSitaker> in english you have to choose between "woman", which makes many people think of elderly matrons, "lady", which is a grown-up who pretends to be a child in order to gain sympathy, and "girl", which means someone who actually is a child
19:58:16 <twe> The proxy server was obviously not liberal in what chris bizer seemed to have pretty much sum up what i mean is do you explain to someone else; excellent reading!
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19:59:15 <KragenSitaker> and "chick", which conveys a lack of respect to some readers just short of that implied by "bitch"
19:59:29 <kandinski> KragenSitaker: in many parts of Spain "chica" is also "girl" as in child
19:59:36 <KragenSitaker> but in spanish, you have "chica" and "muchacha" as well
19:59:45 <kandinski> when someone is acting childishly, you can say "no seas niño chico"
19:59:53 <kandinski> or "no seas niña chica"
20:00:07 <kandinski> "muchacha" is "lass" or "whench"
20:00:09 <KragenSitaker> well, everyone knows niña means "child"
20:00:15 <kandinski> actually, I am moving to Melbourne for a lass
20:00:17 <kandinski> great word
20:00:19 <KragenSitaker> "lass" isn't bad
20:00:29 <kandinski> and she is waiting on a lad, I guess
20:00:34 <kandinski> lass and lad
20:00:40 <kandinski> alas and alack
20:00:41 <KragenSitaker> well, you can hope she's waiting
20:01:05 <kandinski> she is the author of kdoomsday, a kde applet that counts down to a date
20:01:10 <KragenSitaker> argentinian spanish is somewhat difficult
20:01:11 <kandinski> so she is waiting for sure
20:01:11 <KragenSitaker> ha
20:01:21 <kandinski> what she is doing to pass the time, I can only trust her
20:01:25 <KragenSitaker> well, i won't go any further with speculating on taht
20:01:37 <kandinski> speculate away
20:01:58 <kandinski> what is difficult about .ar Spanish?
20:01:59 <KragenSitaker> there are pronouns, verb tenses, and phonemes that don't exist in any of the other variants of spanish i've experienced
20:02:11 <kandinski> cortála
20:02:22 <kandinski> it is a beautiful dialect
20:02:25 <KragenSitaker> i'm actually still not sure whether y and ll are separate phonemes
20:02:37 <KragenSitaker> but ll is totally different from anywhere else
20:02:39 <kandinski> the best insults in Spanish are Argentinian
20:02:41 <kandinski> yes
20:02:56 <kandinski> I think it is an archiphoneme in many parts of Argentina
20:03:05 <KragenSitaker> argentinian: "en la calle florida". me: "eh, en la casa florida?" argentinian: "no, CALLE."
20:03:16 <KragenSitaker> .dict archiphoneme
20:03:18 * kandinski nods
20:03:21 <KragenSitaker> .wik archiphoneme
20:03:30 <phenny> "In human language, a phoneme is the theoretical representation of a sound." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archiphoneme
20:03:39 <KragenSitaker> that doesn't help
20:03:43 * KragenSitaker goes to read wikipedia
20:04:16 <kandinski> it is what happens when a difference between two phonemes is neutralised
20:04:25 <twe> Depends what it is a well-known python user.
20:04:26 <kandinski> I am sure wikipedia explains it better
20:05:45 <kandinski> actually; I am wrong
20:06:13 <kandinski> y and ll are not archiphonemes for archiphonemes depend on neutralisation due to context
20:06:21 <kandinski> I will try and find some argentinians tonight
20:06:30 <kandinski> and challenge them to a word duel
20:06:36 <KragenSitaker> sʌŋ
20:06:38 <KragenSitaker> hmm
20:07:13 <KragenSitaker> anyway, so it's more difficult to understand people
20:07:17 <KragenSitaker> i should go to lectures or something
20:07:39 <KragenSitaker> i'm right near the facultad de derecho. i wonder if they actually have law lectures there.
20:08:05 <kandinski> ez wikipedia
20:08:17 <kandinski> However, in Argentina (in most of the cases) and Uruguay, both y and ll are pronounced /ʒ/ or /ʃ/. -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_language
20:08:22 <kandinski> not sure that is true
20:08:51 <kandinski> ooh right
20:09:09 <KragenSitaker> i can't tell what you pasted because my client sucks.
20:09:16 * KragenSitaker goes off to look on swhack.com
20:09:18 <KragenSitaker> loggy, pointer?
20:09:22 <kandinski> some people pronounce both y and ll as voiced, and some people pronounce both of them as unvoiced
20:09:29 <mzeltner> Fuck I miss this channel so much
20:09:30 <KragenSitaker> uhoh. no loggy?
20:09:40 <KragenSitaker> oh thanks
20:09:46 <crschmidt> loggy: pointer?
20:09:46 <loggy> http://swhack.com/logs/2006-12-27#T20-09-46
20:09:56 <KragenSitaker> loggy: pointer?
20:09:56 <loggy> http://swhack.com/logs/2006-12-27#T20-09-56
20:10:10 <KragenSitaker> stupid comma
20:10:33 <KragenSitaker> it's perfectly clear and readable in the logs
20:10:59 <KragenSitaker> although i think /ʃ/ is wrong
20:11:34 <kandinski> it is consistent with my experience of some speakers
20:11:46 <kandinski> they lose the voice totally
20:12:10 <KragenSitaker> no apparently not wrong
20:12:33 <KragenSitaker> in my browser that looks like a long F, and i thought that symbol was supposed to look like a long S
20:12:46 <KragenSitaker> .cp ʃ
20:12:49 <phenny> Sorry, no results found for 'ʃ'.
20:12:50 <kandinski> "The recording represents standard Castilian pronunciation with yeísmo and is the first one transcribed when several IPA representations are given in the chart." -- bullshit, /ʎ/ is pronounced by most educated speakers
20:12:57 <sbp> KragenSitaker: is the bar in the middle only to the left of the vertical line?
20:13:01 <kandinski> .cp ʎ
20:13:04 <phenny> Sorry, no results found for 'ʎ'.
20:13:07 <sbp> if so that's a valid glyph for a long-s
20:13:09 <KragenSitaker> no, on both sides
20:13:11 <sbp> if it crosses ... ah
20:13:22 <sbp> .pc ʃ
20:13:23 <kandinski> bad font?
20:13:25 <phenny> 0283: LATIN SMALL LETTER ESH (ʃ)
20:13:28 <sbp> .pc ʎ
20:13:31 <phenny> 028E: LATIN SMALL LETTER TURNED Y (ʎ)
20:13:32 <kandinski> .pc ʎ
20:13:32 <sbp> .cp long.s
20:13:34 <phenny> 028E: LATIN SMALL LETTER TURNED Y (ʎ)
20:13:35 <phenny> 017F: LATIN SMALL LETTER LONG S (ſ)
20:13:38 <phenny> 0336: COMBINING LONG STROKE OVERLAY (◌̶)
20:13:41 <phenny> 0338: COMBINING LONG SOLIDUS OVERLAY (◌̸) [...]
20:13:43 <sbp> .unicode sma lamb
20:13:45 <kandinski> esh is good
20:13:46 <phenny> U+019B LATIN SMALL LETTER LAMBDA WITH STROKE (ƛ)
20:13:49 <kandinski> I think
20:14:10 <kandinski> who needs a lambda who can overturn a y?
20:14:14 * kandinski has to go
20:14:17 <KragenSitaker> shoot
20:14:19 <kandinski> bye, K and S, nice talk
20:14:20 <KragenSitaker> good to talk to you
20:14:28 <mzeltner> Bye kandinski
20:14:36 <kandinski> and mzeltner, enjoy CCC!
20:14:44 <mzeltner> Will do :)
20:14:57 <kandinski> say hi to h0lger Levsen from Hamburg if you see him
20:15:28 <KragenSitaker> sbp: the character i pasted --- what did it look like to you?
20:15:51 <mzeltner> Sure if I get to know him :)
20:16:44 <KragenSitaker> in another font ʃ is how it appears, which i think is correct
20:16:57 <KragenSitaker> i think it's just a problem with my font
20:17:02 <KragenSitaker> .pc ʃ
20:17:05 <phenny> 0283: LATIN SMALL LETTER ESH (ʃ)
20:17:10 <sbp> KragenSitaker: it looks like an integral sign to me
20:17:18 <KragenSitaker> although i thought it was supposed to be ſ
20:17:38 <sbp> it looks like a long s only with a tail
20:17:42 <sbp> hang on...
20:18:05 <KragenSitaker> yeah, i think it is supposed to look like an integral sign
20:19:16 <sbp> KragenSitaker: http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/3078/eshvu7.png
20:19:33 <sbp> see also http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/0283/index.htm
20:19:47 <sbp> especially http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/0283/latin_small_letter_esh.png
20:20:53 <KragenSitaker> yeah, my stupid browser is doing this ---
20:23:08 <KragenSitaker> http://www.canonical.org/~kragen/tmp/tmp.png
20:23:27 <sbp> ew
20:23:50 <KragenSitaker> it's stupid also that it takes 75 seconds to put a small part of my screen on the web
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20:24:48 <sbp> yes, I was thinking that...
20:24:52 <sbp> what I did:
20:24:54 <KragenSitaker> yeah, i think that particular glyph is fairly misleading. i don't know if it is actually wrong or if it is justifiable somehow
20:25:01 <sbp> 1) Command+Ctrl+Shift+4
20:25:09 <sbp> 2) Select a region with the resulting modified cursor
20:25:13 <sbp> 3) Open The Gimp
20:25:21 <sbp> 4) Paste from clipboard into a new window
20:25:33 <sbp> 4b) Create a new pane because the old one was too small, paste again
20:25:36 <sbp> 5) Clip to size
20:25:47 <sbp> 6) Save as a PNG. Yes, export the damn thing I don't give a crap about the layers
20:26:02 <sbp> 7) Open imageshack.us in the browser. I have a link to it from my start page
20:26:23 <sbp> 8) Browse the saved file, esh.png, click okay, then upload
20:26:33 <sbp> 9) Copy the resulting image URI. Test it. Paste it in the channel
20:26:52 <KragenSitaker> for me it was (1) sleep 5; xwd > ~/tmp.xwd (2) gimp !$ (3) crop (4) save (5) scp ~/tmp.png panacea.canonical.org:public_html/tmp/. (6) test in new tab (7) paste
20:26:57 <KragenSitaker> very similar set of tools
20:27:14 <sbp> aye
20:27:22 <KragenSitaker> but opening an existing file is easier in the gimp than pasting into it perhaps
20:27:45 <sbp> yeah, that's quite a good idea. and cropping down to size in the Gimp rather than using the screenshot GUI selection tool in OS X
20:29:29 <KragenSitaker> i miscounted -- it took me 135 seconds and you 94
20:29:45 <KragenSitaker> i suspect that a lot of that was waiting on browsers
20:30:00 <KragenSitaker> it is insane how slow basic things like that can be
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20:38:59 <bjoern_> sbp!
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20:51:24 <sbp> hello!
20:51:26 <sbp> welcome back
20:51:29 <sbp> if, indeed, you are back
20:51:38 <sbp> if not, welcome unback
20:54:02 <bjoern_> I 4R3 BA<KZ
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21:02:41 <sbp> did you bring anything back from Denmark?
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21:26:22 <maxkelley> ope, I'm out of tea.
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21:44:54 <RandyWalker> Monty: join #wordpress
21:44:54 <Monty> shoot
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21:52:09 <bjoern_> I wasn't in Denmark, I was ~20km south the danish border in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dageb%C3%BCll where I spent most of my life.
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21:53:03 <Monty> yo BigJibby!
21:53:40 <BigJibby> sup, Monty!
21:53:41 <Monty> lasagnes touches chains!
21:57:38 <clarity_> does anyone know those busy signal test numbers?
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22:45:26 <maxkelley> download faster!! 1042kbps isn't fast enough!
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