00:01:06 <huf> how can a script running in a screen learn the screen session number it has?
00:01:17 <huf> or is there a way to name screen sessions?
00:01:40 <huf> OOOOH:D
00:01:43 <huf> lol i am an idiot.
00:02:02 <crschmidt> yep
00:02:05 <crschmidt> screen -S
00:02:17 <crschmidt> don't know about the former
00:04:36 <huf> there's now no need.
00:04:48 <huf> a problem skipped is a problem solved.
00:05:00 <huf> i'm sure there's a proper proverb for this
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00:25:22 <huf> what's the best way to mount an encrypted file on linux?
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01:31:48 <redmonk> dangit. what's the best way to fix dos line endings for a whole directory structure under *nix
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01:41:40 <nsh> $ find /director/to/fix -exec dos2unix '{}' \;
01:42:53 <bancus> Heh. Wow.
01:42:55 <bancus> http://www.rationalresponders.com/
01:44:07 <nsh> .gc "has a posse"
01:44:10 <phenny> "has a posse": 202,000
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01:48:02 <nsh> bancus, reminds me of that line from Beyond Good and Evil, something about an abyss or something
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02:12:04 <Monty> welcome, BigJibby
02:12:38 <BigJibby> thnx Monty
02:12:38 <Monty> Lets discuss further why your cell phone .
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02:14:09 <est> Monty: i'm not sure how i feel about that
02:14:09 <Monty> ME PROCURES FOODS
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02:22:13 <Monty> Speak of the devil, it's tonybaloney!
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02:48:44 <astecp> .compare aluminum aluminium
02:48:46 <phenny> aluminum (91,400,000), aluminium (69,000,000)
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03:06:43 <Monty> welcome, cskaterun
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06:12:47 <Mike_L> *sigh*
06:13:36 <Mike_L> I took a nap today and had a nightmare that I said some very embarassing things in this channel, which were logged to the web, and nobody would delete it for me
06:16:43 <est> yes..yes..*that* was the dream
06:16:46 <est> :D
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06:19:31 <Mike_L> good :)
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06:31:12 <Monty> Thank goodness, MoiraA is back!
06:31:14 <phenny> Be quiet, Monty.
06:31:14 <Monty> Right...
06:31:15 <JibbyBot> Be quiet, Monty.
06:31:22 <Monty> "The plane crashed in geek terms often not bestest, but hasn't a commonly practiced human point was rather enjoying the monetary savings
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06:51:01 <Synapse> Monty: You make my head hurt.
06:51:01 <Monty> Jibbler!
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06:51:20 <Synapse> Sure, why not.
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08:37:06 <sbp> SNOW
08:38:04 <Arnia> sbp: not here :p
08:40:12 <sbp> not there: makes a change
08:49:02 <Arnia> But I should get ready to leave. Speak to you all later
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09:39:54 <Monty> Thank goodness, darobin is back!
09:39:57 <phenny> Be quiet, Monty.
09:39:57 <JibbyBot> Be quiet, Monty.
09:39:58 <Monty> gah, I love hygiene
09:39:59 <Monty> "Is it were you thruflo ? (e.g. brctl)
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10:39:36 <sbp> bwahaha. http://xkcd.com/c214.html
10:39:47 <sbp> xkcd really wins
10:41:41 <sbp> wow, AaronSw looks like kandinski
10:42:27 <sbp> .eval 'xn--y71av7m'.decode('punycode')
10:42:30 <phenny> u'\u2499xn\u21f3-'
10:42:30 <locbot> u'\u2499xn\u21f3-'
10:42:44 <sbp> .eval 'y71av7m'.decode('punycode')
10:42:46 <locbot> u'\u864e\u8dd1'
10:42:46 <phenny> u'\u864e\u8dd1'
10:42:57 <sbp> .cp ^2499
10:43:00 <phenny> 2499: NUMBER EIGHTEEN FULL STOP (⒙)
10:43:01 <sbp> .cp ^21F3
10:43:03 <phenny> 21F3: UP DOWN WHITE ARROW (⇳)
10:43:13 <sbp> .cp ^864E
10:43:16 <phenny> Sorry, no results found for '^864E'.
10:43:17 <sbp> .cp ^8DD1
10:43:20 <phenny> Sorry, no results found for '^8DD1'.
10:43:22 <sbp> fine
10:44:00 <bjoern_> .wik Tacoma Narrows Bridge
10:44:03 <phenny> "The Tacoma Narrows Bridge is a mile-long (1600 meter) suspension bridge with a main span of 2800 feet (850 m) (the third-largest in the world when it was first built[1]) that carries Washington State Route 16 across the Tacoma Narrows of Puget Sound from Tacoma to Gig [...]" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tacoma_Narrows_Bridge
10:44:59 <bjoern_> by the way sbp, http://sourceforge.net/projects/stylevalid - I released a first version of my validator yesterday, with ./configure and everything!
10:45:52 <bjoern_> not very interesting at the moment of course, but man, I figured out autoconf!
10:46:05 <bjoern_> ME SO PROUDZ
10:48:11 <KragenSitaker> congratulations!
10:49:23 <bjoern_> You know, I started with deleting any autoconf stuff that didn't make sense to me (that's pretty much everything) and then started adding minimal bits back until it stopped complaining!
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11:05:53 <sbp> ooh, awesome!
11:06:03 * sbp downloads like seven catfish taped together in a star shape
11:06:48 * sbp takes a moment to hate sourceforge
11:07:00 <bjoern_> you know, you need libxml2, glib2, libcroco, zlib, to make it work.
11:07:15 <sbp> well, I want at least to look at the source
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11:07:44 <bjoern_> sure, just don't look at the xml parsing code, it's a mess...
11:07:57 <KragenSitaker> that would be the code in libxml2?
11:08:20 <bjoern_> no, using libxml2 to parse xml into some internal data structures
11:08:25 <KragenSitaker> ok, i got debian more or less installed by means of lnx-bbc and ssh and debootstrap. details for now at http://pobox.com/~kragen/tmp/debootstrapping
11:08:49 *** sbp changed the topic to: "anas=duck=canard=hoax"
11:09:10 <KragenSitaker> unfortunately I screwed it up so that I no longer have root, so I am going to go to bed now until the guy who has the actual physical machine can fix it
11:09:40 <bjoern_> you could become root again through GRABS or tree filez.
11:10:08 <KragenSitaker> or through sleep.
11:10:20 <sbp> patient fixes hospital machine so that he can be treated: http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_2168776.html?menu=
11:10:24 <sbp> (via Fortean Times)
11:11:33 <sbp> phenny: tell d8uv http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MJ0F9x92fE&eurl=
11:11:36 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when d8uv is around.
11:13:18 <bjoern_> schemas now look like this: http://www.bjoernsworld.de/temp/css21.csss
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11:37:14 <Monty> it's danja!
11:46:38 <bjoern_> hmm I wonder whether the new google groups is any better than the old new google groups
12:10:54 <sbp> can't be worse, surely
12:12:13 <sbp> hmm. it's about the same
12:12:47 <sbp> URIs for original message text are huge
12:12:48 <sbp> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sci.planetary/msg/de29ceaa86449d4b?dmode=source&output=gplain
12:13:18 <bjoern_> yeah, I was trying to search for msgid:... earlier, no combination worked, other than the advanced interface
12:13:38 <sbp> how about mid:?
12:13:47 <bjoern_> tried that, didn't work
12:14:07 <bjoern_> so no http://google.com/groups/<mid>/plain or so ...
12:14:31 <sbp> tsk
12:15:05 <bjoern_> you can of course http://google.com/groups?q=... but, well, you'd need a msgid lookup thingy
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12:17:54 <bjoern_> ah, http://google.com/groups?selm=<mid> works
12:18:49 <int-e> http://groups-beta.google.com/groups?selm=${mid}&output=gplain
12:19:12 <bjoern_> or dmode=source or both
12:20:13 <bjoern_> so, http://google.com/groups?selm=200405130111.i4D1BC6r025237@odah37.prod.google.com&dmode=source
12:23:01 <int-e> Oh, nice. output=gplain doesn't wrap in HTML anymore. It did that for a while.
12:24:25 <int-e> Or did it? Anyway, it doesn't do that now.
12:36:19 <sbp> so I just bought a bit of the moon
12:36:20 <sbp> http://inamidst.com/whits/2007/01#N241228
12:38:07 <darobin> crazy sbp :)
12:42:20 <sbp> crazy moon buyer
12:42:41 <darobin> so now you can have a cow jump over it and all!
12:43:30 <sbp> ...damn, that's not a bad idea
12:43:36 <sbp> only I've never seen a cow jump
12:43:42 <sbp> I'm not sure that they have that capability
12:44:17 <darobin> well presumably it's a small piece
12:44:24 <darobin> I've seen cows sort of jump a bit
12:44:26 <darobin> not high though
12:44:36 <sbp> yeah, it's just a few mm across
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12:44:52 <sbp> I've not seen cows even jump a few mm though
12:45:15 <darobin> well just place it in a corral on a very low wooden plank and scare the heck out of the cow
12:45:33 <sbp> eep, my fragment!
12:45:50 <jetscreamer> watch stampedes on western movies
12:45:58 <darobin> then release the movie and its making of to Joost and make loads of money
12:46:02 <darobin> enough to buy more moon
12:46:04 <sbp> how about a toy cow?
12:46:09 <sbp> ooh, more moon
12:47:08 <darobin> then for the second instalment have a cow jump over Mars
12:47:37 <darobin> if you haven't made enough money for a piece of Mars, use a candy bar
12:48:08 <sbp> actually, I should look that up
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12:53:58 <sbp> hmm, yeah. super expensive
12:54:12 <sbp> there are only two known Chassignite falls
12:54:44 <sbp> it'll have to be the chocolate bar then
12:54:57 <sbp> bonus: it's probably tastier
12:58:34 <sbp> hmm, I'm not sure that there's *any* French chassignite on sale
12:58:54 <sbp> it all seems to be Moroccan
12:59:07 <astecp> milk chocolate, of course
12:59:41 <sbp> but of course
13:01:20 <sbp> hmm, brachina is interesting
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13:06:13 <sbp> hmm, brachinite might be from 289 Nenetta
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13:13:40 <sbp> BZZT: "Aside from Chassigny, chassignites include Brachina (Australia find)." - http://www.caspermeteorites.com/achondrites.html
13:13:50 <sbp> brachinite != chassignite
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13:16:41 <sbp> mmm: http://www.meteorite.com/gallery/mh_chassign.jpg
13:16:43 <sbp> not for sale though
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13:28:07 <sbp> .gc "the cow jumped over mars"
13:28:10 <phenny> "the cow jumped over mars": 0
13:28:11 <sbp> .gc "the cow jumped over the mars"
13:28:14 <phenny> "the cow jumped over the mars": 3
13:28:22 <bjoern_> .gc "the cow jumped"
13:28:25 <phenny> "the cow jumped": 63,900
13:28:31 <bjoern_> .gc "I saw the cow jumping"
13:28:34 <phenny> "I saw the cow jumping": 1
13:28:45 <sbp> only one person saw the cow jumping
13:28:50 <sbp> .g "I saw the cow jumping"
13:28:54 <phenny> sbp: http://members.tripod.com/~theastronomer/2003/march2003.html
13:29:03 <bjoern_> .gc "I dreamt I saw a moo cow jump across the moon"
13:29:07 <phenny> "I dreamt I saw a moo cow jump across the moon": 117
13:29:18 <sbp> [[[
13:29:19 <sbp> I saw "the cow jumping over the moon"...
13:29:20 <sbp> ]]]
13:30:29 <bjoern_> hmm http://pictureserver.funnyjunk.com/pics2/cowjumping.jpg
13:30:59 <sbp> phwahahaha
13:31:03 <sbp> I think it might be faked
13:31:11 <sbp> someone obviously added the dolphin in
13:31:16 <bjoern_> hmm http://www.lawlibrary.co.za/notice/updates/2003/images/cow_bungee_jumping.jpg
13:31:32 <sbp> yeah, I'm not sure that counts. but it might have to be close enough
13:31:44 <sbp> aww, it's going to lose its milk
13:33:16 <bjoern_> maybe this http://www.pariswells.org/pics/funny/cow_jump.jpg explains it?
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13:33:50 <Monty> Thank goodness, danja is back!
13:33:53 <sbp> it also explains that whilst they jump, they don't jump well
13:33:53 <phenny> Be quiet, Monty.
13:33:53 <JibbyBot> Be quiet, Monty.
13:33:55 <Monty> "I dreamt I get the moon": 117
13:33:57 <Monty> exhalation's factions slams Alesi's panoply :P
13:34:01 <sbp> which is what we'd kinda figured
13:34:46 <bjoern_> ALERT GRAVITY HOLDS COWS HOSTAGE
13:35:47 <bjoern_> Now that you mention it, in Earthworm Jim / SNES I made a cow jump...
13:36:55 <bjoern_> hmm http://www.whattofix.com/images/FlyingCow.jpg
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14:02:50 <sbp> wow, she looks ridiculous
14:02:55 <sbp> she's wearing a horse riding helmet
14:03:00 <sbp> but she's riding a pegacow
14:03:35 <bjoern_> you just say that because she's fat.
14:03:54 <sbp> she is a bit chubby, isn't she?
14:04:24 <sbp> that's what she gets for sitting on other, actually moving, animals to get her "exercise"
14:04:40 <bjoern_> hehe
14:08:45 <danja> sbp, where did you get your lunar gravel from?
14:08:53 <crschmidt> Hm
14:09:08 <crschmidt> What's the best way to copy a possible-multihundred megabyte file in Python?
14:09:38 <crschmidt> There doesn't appear to be an 'os.cp', so I guess I've got ot open both files, and out.write(in.read()) ?
14:09:41 <sbp> danja: haberer-meteorite.de
14:09:56 <sbp> crschmidt: shutils
14:10:13 <crschmidt> ImportError: No module named shutils
14:10:15 <sbp> http://docs.python.org/lib/module-shutil.html
14:10:20 <crschmidt> ah
14:11:06 <danja> that looks handy
14:11:20 <sbp> I think I've only ever used it for what crschmidt wants to do right now
14:11:31 <sbp> but yeah, it does rather kick the llama's ass
14:11:44 <crschmidt> Winamp
14:11:50 <sbp> :-)
14:12:09 <crschmidt> (Sorry, mental-auditory-to-fingers tourettes kicked in there)
14:12:16 <danja> heh
14:12:45 <sbp> the way the dude says it, you can't help it
14:12:45 <danja> you're not on a pegacow flightpath?
14:13:03 <sbp> .gc "look at the udders on that one!"
14:13:07 <phenny> "look at the udders on that one!": 2
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14:13:38 <sbp> I've not even seen a pegacow. such a city boy
14:16:31 <danja> we've got some tautological pegachickens
14:17:01 <sbp> mmm... pegachickens
14:17:10 <sbp> just like normal chickens, but 150% more mythological
14:17:26 <danja> with wings
14:17:35 <sbp> what came first, the pegachicken or the pegæg?
14:17:41 <danja> ;-)
14:17:43 <sbp> er, pegægg
14:19:10 <danja> did I ever mention pards?
14:19:18 <sbp> nope. what are they?
14:19:48 <danja> got a great bestiary book, it's in there
14:20:00 <sbp> ooh
14:20:10 <danja> according to that, the leopard is a cross between a lion and a pard
14:20:14 <sbp> man, I'd like a really, really, really supergood bestiary book
14:20:19 <sbp> which one do you have?
14:20:25 <sbp> oh man
14:20:31 <sbp> so a pard is leopard - lion
14:21:15 <darobin> rofl
14:21:18 <darobin> I want that book!
14:21:25 <danja> hmm, can't see an isbn
14:21:32 <darobin> title?
14:21:51 <crschmidt> thx sbp, that worked brill
14:21:59 <darobin> it's the mythical Book Without An ISBN
14:22:09 <danja> it says it's an english version of the Bodleian Library M.S. Bodley 764
14:22:30 <danja> folio society, mcmxcii
14:22:34 <darobin> ta
14:22:52 <danja> £15 from a 2nd hand shop a few years back
14:23:14 <darobin> - http://www.amazon.co.uk/Bestiary-English-Version-Bodleian-Library/dp/085115753X/sr=8-7/qid=1169648557/ref=sr_1_7/026-6400979-1192466?ie=UTF8&s=books
14:23:48 <danja> that's the one - I got the hardback
14:24:18 <sbp> phenny: tell Morbus we should have an http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40133000/jpg/_40133466_hemlespot300.jpg in Ghyll
14:24:20 <bjoern_> ooh, a bug in libxml2's relaxng implementation
14:24:21 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when morbus is around.
14:24:25 <sbp> crschmidt: you're welcome!
14:24:49 <sbp> ooh, quite cheap, the bestiary
14:24:50 <Arnia> Ouch... that has to rate as one of the ugliest bits of haskell I've ever written
14:26:03 <sbp> ooh, show show
14:26:14 <bjoern_> hmmm I wonder whether I have the opposite of this bug in my impl
14:26:51 <danja> "The pard is a mottled beast and very swift, thirsty for blood; if it pounces, it kills. The leopard is born of an adulterous match between a lioness and a pard..." - gives Pliny as a reference
14:26:51 <darobin> maybe if you put them both on a nice cozy usb key they'll breed a bug free version?
14:27:02 <darobin> rofl
14:27:14 <sbp> bwahaha. I should go through Pliny one day
14:27:22 <sbp> if there's stuff like that in there...
14:27:34 <darobin> there's stuff like that in most of the ancients
14:27:58 <darobin> in fact there's stuff like that in most surviving texts all the way to the 18th century at least
14:28:34 <darobin> just look at Descartes's explanation of the circulatory system
14:28:43 <Arnia> lisppaste2: help
14:28:44 <lisppaste2> To use the lisppaste bot, visit http://paste.lisp.org/new/swhack and enter your paste.
14:28:58 <darobin> or some parts of Aristotle's Politics or Economicsw
14:29:01 <danja> my favourite bit is how to catch elephants
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14:29:22 <danja> they have no knees, so sleep standing up, leaning against trees
14:29:32 <darobin> so just remove the tree?
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14:29:39 <danja> exactly.
14:29:45 <darobin> ROFLMAO
14:30:08 <lisppaste2> Arnia pasted "LRIP parsing core" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/35851
14:30:18 <darobin> I assume that details of how to cut down the tree without waking the elephant up are left as an exercise to the reader?
14:31:09 <sbp> put corks in its ears
14:31:16 <sbp> is the obvious solution
14:32:03 <darobin> you need to have a jolly big cork!
14:32:16 <danja> ;-)
14:33:04 <bjoern_> Let it Rest In peace?
14:33:40 * Arnia representationally transfers bjoern_'s state
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14:46:48 <bjoern_> Yeah, libxml2 does not interleave into groups when it should, while my implementation does "combine" into groups when it should not
14:47:26 <bjoern_> now this sucks
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16:56:17 <Monty> lo jetscreamer
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17:28:25 <darobin> Entity, and entity, and entity,
17:28:40 <darobin> Creeps in this petty script from DTD,
17:29:07 <darobin> To the last sanity of encoded time;
17:29:59 <darobin> And all our documents have lighted fools
17:30:15 <darobin> The way to XML. Out, out, brief program!
17:30:39 * darobin sighs
18:09:11 <sbp> .gc "You are N'Gongo now!"
18:09:12 <phenny> "You are N'Gongo now!": 0
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18:24:18 <bjoern_> hahaha http://mail.gnome.org/archives/xml/2007-January/msg00144.html
18:24:31 <bjoern_> all those strange symbols in the relaxng spec aren't complete gibberish after all!
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18:26:14 <darobin> bjoern_: pure evil
18:27:19 <bancus> I think I speak for all non-believers when I say that the only reason we limit our sex to human beings is that animals run too fast. Have you ever tried to tap a caribou? I don’t care how hot they are with their little furry behinds – it’s not worth all of the running. That’s why most one-legged women are married to atheists.
18:27:24 <bancus> -- Scott Adams
19:09:50 <sbp> Laurence Llewelyn-Bowen just did an interesting little bit on Holiday saying that Tokyo is less shocking now because it's more westernised and we're more easternised
19:09:58 <sbp> (in effect)
19:10:29 <sbp> e.g. Tokyo subway signs are now in English too; and we now have sushi bars on every high-street. every good high-street, at least
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19:28:56 * crschmidt wonders who is in Cambridge now or soon
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19:47:55 <sbp> not me!
19:49:04 <bancus> I can be in Cambridge soon.
19:49:12 <bancus> And by Cambridge I mean the wikipedia page.
19:49:29 <bancus> Because I'm some thousands of miles away.
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21:00:27 <bjoern_> IETF specs alien! http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-haddad-alien-threat-model-00.txt
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21:33:00 <kpreid> .repr é
21:33:01 <phenny> '\xc3\xa9'
21:33:21 <kpreid> thanks phenny
21:33:22 <phenny> Not at all.
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21:39:34 <jcowan> Ittywhonk!
21:40:39 <jcowan> Anyone interested in my employment news: I'll be describing it in #jcowan.
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21:45:55 <bjoern_> hey jcowan
21:46:06 <bjoern_> you don't happen to be familiar with http://www.thaiopensource.com/relaxng/derivative.html ?
21:46:47 <jcowan> I do.
21:46:50 <bjoern_> I can't quite figure out how to compute the derivative for a new pattern...
21:47:09 <bjoern_> I currently call it "combination" or "combine"
21:47:17 <bjoern_> it's like <interleave> with two differences:
21:47:39 <bjoern_> only one of the operands has to be specified, and it does not interleave with groups
21:48:20 <bjoern_> so, to use || for the pattern and rnc-like syntax:
21:48:28 <KragenSitaker> nifty stuff --- http://trimpath.com/project/wiki/TrimQuery
21:48:50 <bjoern_> ( a || b ) -> matches "a" and "b" and "a b" and "b a"
21:48:59 <KragenSitaker> an engine for much of SQL in JavaScript
21:49:32 <KragenSitaker> you could imagine such a thing that supported retrieving only the data that you needed from a server
21:49:36 <KragenSitaker> but that is not it
21:49:58 <bjoern_> ( a, b ) || c -> matches "a b", "c", "a b c) "c b a" but not " a c b " or " b c a "
21:50:47 <bjoern_> I know how to compute it if it would interleave with groups, I'm trying to fix that bug...
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21:54:21 <bjoern_> (the computation would be the same as for interleave, except that I check whether the final choice yields notAllowed, and if not I wrap the result in (Choice result Empty))
21:54:40 <bjoern_> also, of course, the Interleave would be replaced with a Combine constructor
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21:56:46 <bjoern_> in fact, the even simpler approach was to define the combine constructor like (choice (interleave (optional p1) p2) (interleave (optional p2) p1)), however that matches the " a c b " or " b c a " cases above, which I no longer want...
21:59:57 <bjoern_> s/c) "/c", "/
22:00:05 <est> mmm..cambridge polish
22:00:19 <est> almost as good as real polish
22:01:57 <jcowan> Especially for polishing spoons.
22:03:59 <est> spit and polish is the best
22:04:06 <lisppaste2> bjoern_ pasted "examples" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/35876
22:04:51 <bjoern_> that's about how the results should look like
22:06:22 * bjoern_ wonders whether "familiar" was too broad a question...
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22:31:57 <bjoern_> Well. With sleep the answers will come to me, I am certain of it...
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23:28:21 <bancus> Hm.
23:28:31 <bancus> The Treo 680 says it connects via Bluetooth only, not USB.
23:28:39 <bancus> I wonder if it plays well with the linux palm software.
23:32:04 <bancus> Hm.
23:32:12 <bancus> This guy in a forum says it has USB.
23:34:26 <kandinski> Spanish Nugget of the Day, aka *SNOTD) for those of you who may have lost the plot:
23:34:51 <kandinski> I realise many of my history lines in zsh start with "sudo nano"
23:34:56 <kandinski> well, this is legal Spanish!
23:35:20 <kandinski> "sudo" is "I sweat", and "nano" is how they say "dude" in Valencia, Spain
23:35:42 <kandinski> so "sudo nano" means "I sweat, dude!", which neatly describes my experiences in sysadminning
23:35:49 <est> dude-technology
23:35:54 <kandinski> /*SNotD)
23:36:04 <kandinski> bancus; I have a 680 too
23:36:07 <kandinski> just bought it
23:36:10 <deltab> bancus: you can get an adapter cable: http://www.expansys.com/p.aspx?i=145037
23:36:17 <kandinski> keep me posted, I don't have time to play around
23:36:30 <kandinski> with moving continents and shit
23:36:34 * kandinski roots about...
23:37:40 <kandinski> bancus, my 680 came with a USB cable in the box
23:37:48 <bancus> http://webgui.theblackmoor.net:8082/home/treo/fedora
23:37:58 <bancus> that page has a method for linux syncing via bluetooth
23:38:14 <bancus> it does it by networking the two with PPP over BT, then syncing over the network somehow
23:38:17 <bancus> kinda neat
23:38:24 <bancus> kandinski: The Palm page says only BT, so I was confused.
23:38:59 <bancus> Or maybe I just misread it.
23:39:02 <bancus> How do you like the 680?
23:39:17 <kandinski> silly
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23:39:40 <kandinski> bancus: I have not had so much time to play with it
23:39:59 <kandinski> I like the modern software less than I did the clunkier 650's clunkier's software
23:40:12 <kandinski> this one has too many curved edges
23:40:27 <kandinski> otherwise, I haven't even installed any software
23:40:34 <kandinski> it still doesn't have an SD card in it
23:40:38 <bancus> My Zire 31 died finally.
23:40:45 <bancus> So I've been thinking about upgrading.
23:40:46 <kandinski> that is how new it is (less than a week) and how busy I am
23:40:54 <bancus> So it does have SD support?
23:40:58 <kandinski> oh, yes
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23:41:15 <kandinski> ok, it is a slimmer 650 with 4h of battery life instead of 6
23:41:19 <bancus> What about SMS/ringtones/other phone stuff?
23:41:19 <kandinski> that's all there is to it
23:41:26 <bancus> I haven't used a 650.
23:41:28 <kandinski> also slightly modern-er software
23:41:37 <bancus> Indeed, none of the smartphones at all.
23:41:53 <kandinski> well, I was implying you may want a 650 if they are cheaper and don't mind the bulkierness
23:42:03 <kandinski> I don't use ringtones
23:42:07 <kandinski> SMS interface is amazing
23:42:16 <kandinski> it looks like a chat conversation
23:42:17 <perigrin> smartphone seems to be a misnomer ... my phone doesn't know how to order pizza for us both ... how smart can it be?
23:42:21 <kandinski> you get all messages in a thread
23:42:21 <bancus> Sweet.
23:42:36 <bancus> Palm doesn't list the 650 anymore.
23:42:38 <kandinski> also I like having lots of buttons I can assing to shit
23:42:43 <bancus> I'd probably have to get it from ebay or something.
23:42:46 <kandinski> well, maybe discount outlets
23:42:53 <kandinski> really it would be a good buy now
23:42:58 <bancus> Do you call people directly from the contacts list, or how does that work?
23:43:12 <bancus> Oh, they do list it, just not on the comparison page.
23:43:39 <bancus> It's a shame you can't get them with dvorak instead of qwerty.
23:44:10 <bancus> ACcording to palm.com, the 680's slightly thinner than the 650.
23:44:18 <bancus> Whot do you mean by bulkier?
23:44:50 <bancus> Same width and length, looks like.
23:45:04 <bancus> Oh, you meant that the 650 is bulkier.
23:46:35 <bancus> 680 has more memory
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23:53:16 <kandinski> yes, bulkier
23:53:22 <kandinski> more memory, but not enough by far
23:53:29 <kandinski> you want a 2Gb SD card anyway
23:54:00 <kandinski> 650 hs a protruding antenna and is thicker (the battery's fault, mostly
23:54:06 <kandinski> so you get more battery life
23:54:17 <kandinski> I call a lot by keying in numbers
23:54:53 <kandinski> I like knowing numbers by heart, it is good for when you don't have your own phone or any other distress situation
23:55:02 <kandinski> but the phonebook works beautifully
23:57:32 <bancus> Cool.
23:57:42 <bancus> Been thinking about getting one.
23:57:50 <bancus> Actually, thinking about having my company get me one.
23:58:19 <perigrin> I've phone numbers in my palm I haven't used in years ... it's traditionally been the authoritative source of my PIM data.
23:58:28 <perigrin> the 680 is tempting.
23:59:27 <bancus> 680 have a camera?
