00:01:01 <KragenSitaker> that is usable but suboptimal api design
00:01:01 <KragenSitaker> because it would be better to have a separate channel for reporting the internal error
00:01:02 <KragenSitaker> and it wouldbe better to return x+1 if the string does not rather than -(x+1)
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00:01:10 <KragenSitaker> with that kindo f crazy return value you can't use it in the middle of an expression anyway
00:01:19 <KragenSitaker> bjoern_: check logs for my comments
00:01:33 <bjoern_> loggy, pointer
00:01:37 <bjoern_> loggy, pointer?
00:01:38 <bjoern_> loggy: pointer?
00:01:38 <loggy> http://swhack.com/logs/2007-05-06#T00-01-38
00:01:42 <KragenSitaker> so you might as well stick the status and position in separate places anyway
00:01:49 <bjoern_> phenny, tell sbp I HATE YOU, FIX LOGGY DAMMIT
00:01:51 <phenny> bjoern_: I'll pass that on when sbp is around.
00:01:53 <bjoern_> thanks phenny
00:01:56 <phenny> You're welcome.
00:02:06 <KragenSitaker> x+1 being the end of the string in the non-match case, right?
00:02:27 <KragenSitaker> also if there's a way to redesign the api so that routine doesn't need to report an internal error, that would be an improvement
00:02:42 <KragenSitaker> like, if there's a "compile pattern" step that the error would actually happen in
00:03:07 <rob1n> thanks phenny
00:03:12 <rob1n> thanks phenny
00:03:14 <phenny> You're welcome.
00:03:15 <rob1n> :\
00:03:15 <bjoern_> the logs are ... not useful KragenSitaker
00:03:29 <KragenSitaker> 19:59 < KragenSitaker> 18:08 < bjoern_> So it returns an integer; 0 if there
00:03:34 <KragenSitaker> 20:00 < KragenSitaker> that is usable but suboptimal api design
00:03:34 <KragenSitaker> 20:00 < KragenSitaker> because it would be better to have a separate channel
00:03:34 <KragenSitaker> for reporting the internal error
00:03:34 <KragenSitaker> 20:00 < KragenSitaker> and it wouldbe better to return x+1 if the string does
00:03:34 <KragenSitaker> not rather than -(x+1)
00:04:21 <KragenSitaker> in general the trouble with this kind of api design is that it's too easy to write code that works fine when the expected case happens, then fails in some horrible way when something else happens
00:11:27 * bjoern_ 'll elaborate shortly
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00:24:19 <bjoern_> is there a tcpdump switch so it hexdumps packet content?
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00:49:38 <bjoern_> phenny, ping
00:49:40 <phenny> pong
00:49:48 <bjoern_> okay that seems solved.
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00:50:00 <Monty> howdy, schepers_
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01:03:58 <kpreid> "Many of the pictures are very impressive, but the reason why I didn't bust myself taking a bunch of my own is that they don't really tell you anything about the specialness of the lasers. Wind up the exposure and you can make any cheap green laser look like Yahweh's Blessed Javelin of Annihilation in a night shot."
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01:29:02 <bancus> .ety automaton
01:29:04 <phenny> "1611, from L. automaton, from Gk. automaton, neut. of automatos 'self-acting,' from autos 'self' + matos 'thinking, animated.'" - http://etymonline.com/?term=automaton
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02:48:54 <bjoern_> KragenSitaker, how about this: [[[
02:49:07 <bjoern_> int rc = f(cx, s, len, pattern);
02:49:07 <bjoern_> if (rc == 0) { valid }
02:49:07 <bjoern_> el (rc < 0) { internal error }
02:49:07 <bjoern_> el (rc - 1 == len) { premature end }
02:49:07 <bjoern_> el { bad character s[rc] }
02:49:08 <bjoern_> ]]]
02:51:16 <bjoern_> so if you have '' and /a/ you get 1 ("premature end"), if you have "foo" and /faa/ you get 1 ("bad character 'a'"), negative means internal error, and you get 0 only if it's a match
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03:26:31 <KragenSitaker> bjoern_: your users don't care where the actual match is?
03:27:14 <KragenSitaker> i was thinking if (f(&idx, s, len, pattern)) goto cleanup_from_error;
03:27:27 <KragenSitaker> and then idx holds the position of the match
03:27:41 <KragenSitaker> and it's probably better to put s and len into a struct
03:27:55 <KragenSitaker> i guess you can tell i've been influenced by qmail's coding style
03:28:30 <KragenSitaker> 20:24 < bjoern_> is there a tcpdump switch so it hexdumps packet content?
03:28:30 <KragenSitaker> -x
03:28:43 <KragenSitaker> but you'll probably be happier using wireshark
03:29:05 <KragenSitaker> i've found it very helpful many times in diagnosing network problems and how to fix them
03:36:38 * KragenSitaker just bought "The Procedural Handbook of Arc Welding" for $286
03:36:41 <KragenSitaker> US$85
03:36:45 <bjoern_> thanks, I'll try to keep -x in mind; I just have tcpdump on my firewall, I was trying to use tcpdump to confirm what I saw in WireShark
03:36:58 <bjoern_> There is no notion of where the match is, I only consider the whole string
03:37:13 <KragenSitaker> oh, i only have tcpdump on my router too; i use tcpdump -w on the router and then view the resulting file in wireshark ;)
03:37:15 <bjoern_> so you can't do /a/, you would have to do /^.*a.*$/
03:37:24 <KragenSitaker> oh, i see
03:38:40 <bjoern_> there is no means of data transfer between my firewall and my desktop
03:38:40 <bjoern_> well other than the firewall being in a vm on the same machine...
03:38:40 <bjoern_> I could craft something but it turned out to not matter.
03:39:01 <KragenSitaker> i use scp
03:39:09 <bjoern_> there is no ssh on it...
03:39:54 <bjoern_> It's really just a windows internet condome
03:40:06 <bjoern_> I would not plug a windows machine directly to the net...
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03:47:49 <KragenSitaker> i used to have a .signature about that
03:48:23 <KragenSitaker> We have always been quite clear that Win95 and Win98 are not the systems to
03:48:23 <KragenSitaker> use if you are in a hostile security environment. -- Paul Leach
03:48:33 <KragenSitaker> The Internet is hostile. -- Paul Leach <fucking mail-archive censored my fucking post>
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03:51:13 <KragenSitaker> that was my .sig a long time ago
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04:20:37 <est> KragenSitaker: im at shdh
04:20:45 <KragenSitaker> oh hey, there's shdh
04:20:47 <KragenSitaker> cool
04:21:08 <KragenSitaker> tell people i said hi if you get a chance
04:21:48 <KragenSitaker> especially people like chris messina, donovan preston, david weekly, termie, dreid, meredith, drew perttula
04:22:04 <KragenSitaker> but random people out of the crowd should be fine too
04:22:44 <KragenSitaker> "What's your name?" "Rhonda Summers." "Kragen Sitaker says hi from Buenos Aires." "Who's that?" "A friend of mine --- you don't remember him? Maybe I got the wrong person. What are you here doing?"
04:22:46 <GabeW> KragenSitaker: i'm there only in IRC - hi!
04:22:53 <KragenSitaker> hi GabeW!
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05:43:14 <Monty> welcome, l7
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08:13:16 <sbp> phenny: tell bjoern_ a simple force-refresh will solve the problem for now until it gets fixed properly
08:13:18 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when bjoern_ is around.
08:13:20 <phenny> sbp: 00:01Z <bjoern_> tell sbp I HATE YOU, FIX LOGGY DAMMIT
08:13:34 <sbp> unpacking in parameter lists is going to be removed?! ugh
08:18:47 <KragenSitaker> it's not that useful without the ability to declare alternate parameter lists
08:22:39 <sbp> phenny: tell Morbus to read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Price
08:22:42 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when morbus is around.
08:22:55 <sbp> it maketh code to be more compact
08:23:37 <KragenSitaker> a little bit more compact, yes
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08:45:29 <bjoern_> If I had any money I would even offer to PAY you to make loggy accept ","
08:45:31 <phenny> bjoern_: 08:13Z <sbp> tell bjoern_ a simple force-refresh will solve the problem for now until it gets fixed properly
08:45:37 <bjoern_> stfu phenny
08:51:47 <sbp> oh, you meant the comma thing
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08:55:09 <kornbluth.freenode.net> Topic for #swhack is: <LightMoon> i need scan bug/dork
08:55:09 <kornbluth.freenode.net> Users on #swhack: loggy danja est piotch thelsdj_ par bear__ jllykifsh dmiles_afk bjoern_ Arnia jsled chimezie jetscreamer aspect kpreid +lisppaste2 cskaterun cori[s] KragenSitaker kandinski sbp nsh happy_broccoli _hex_ boklm` tobbez JibberJim tav karamba38 GabeW +eel +swhask Morbus jewel_ ido +Monty Xavier xover sr iratsu mumbles maxkelley crschmidt +Empirical +supybot trotek Mike_L Jabberwock chandler bancus tro +dahut +Emeka tortoise +teddybot Tene
08:55:09 <kornbluth.freenode.net> Users on #swhack: linuxperv +phenny deltab
08:55:15 <sbp> loggy, pointer?
08:55:15 <loggy> http://swhack.com/logs/2007-05-06#T08-55-15
08:55:44 <sbp> bjoern_: there ye go
08:56:45 <bjoern_> loggy, pointer
08:56:45 <loggy> http://swhack.com/logs/2007-05-06#T08-56-45
08:56:52 <bjoern_> LOVE!
08:58:48 <sbp> heh, heh
09:09:45 <sbp> .gc bumbercund
09:09:47 <phenny> bumbercund: 0
09:11:46 <bjoern_> .gc kunterbunt
09:11:48 <phenny> kunterbunt: 1,350,000
09:11:54 <bjoern_> .gc quietschbunt
09:11:56 <phenny> quietschbunt: 17,800
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09:15:51 <sbp> there's a word "kunterbunt"? awesome
09:16:17 <sbp> what's it mean? GoogleT does not say
09:16:44 <sbp> ah, multicoloured, chequered
09:17:16 <sbp> 03:43:09 <bjoern_> @translate german to english kunterbunt
09:17:16 <sbp> 03:43:12 <supybot> bjoern_: kunterbunt
09:17:16 <sbp> 03:43:14 <bjoern_> ...
09:17:23 <sbp> - http://swhack.com/logs/2006-06-06#T03-43-09
09:17:57 <sbp> 18:50:35 <bjoern_> .gc Kunterbuntu
09:17:57 <sbp> 18:50:38 <phenny> Kunterbuntu: 130
09:17:57 <sbp> 18:50:46 <bjoern_> .gc Kunterbunt
09:17:57 <sbp> 18:50:49 <phenny> Kunterbunt: 1,400,000
09:17:57 <sbp> 18:51:08 <bjoern_> @translate german to english kunterbunt
09:17:58 <sbp> 18:51:09 <supybot> bjoern_: kunterbunt
09:17:59 <sbp> 18:51:12 <bjoern_> ...
09:18:03 <sbp> - http://swhack.com/logs/2006-11-09#T18-50-35
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09:19:25 <sbp> .compare whobuntu chewbuntu moobuntu shoebuntu Subarubuntu
09:19:29 <phenny> moobuntu (2,050), whobuntu (27), shoebuntu (5), chewbuntu (1), Subarubuntu (1)
09:19:35 <thelsdj_> It has to be said... Is Kunterbuntu the latest Ubuntu version built on top of the classic porn-get program?
09:19:44 <sbp> 2006-11-09 18:45:49 <phenny> moobuntu (10,300), whobuntu (39), shoebuntu (2), chewbuntu (0), Subarubuntu (0)
09:19:48 <sbp> heh, heh
09:19:57 <sbp> moobuntu is taking off
09:20:08 <sbp> shoebuntu has actually gone *down*
09:20:27 <sbp> er, wait, reading these the wrong way
09:20:35 <sbp> moobuntu's gone down. the others have gone up
09:20:40 <sbp> poor moobuntu
09:20:56 <sbp> Save Moobuntu!
09:22:02 <thelsdj_> http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ubuntu_forks
09:23:41 <sbp> ooh(buntu)
09:25:06 <sbp> uncyclopaedia is getting way too good
09:26:22 <sbp> .compare goobuntu poobuntu loobuntu adobuntu boobuntu
09:26:26 <phenny> goobuntu (116,000), boobuntu (85), poobuntu (67), loobuntu (61), adobuntu (4)
09:26:43 <sbp> wow, goobuntu is creaming moobuntu
09:27:26 <sbp> okay
09:27:36 <thelsdj_> it even has a wikipedia page
09:27:38 <sbp> BBC News reports are going to have to stop saying "durby"
09:27:45 <sbp> goobuntu?!
09:27:49 <sbp> .wik Goobuntu
09:27:51 <phenny> "Goobuntu is a Linux distribution based on Ubuntu that Google uses internally." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goobuntu
09:27:58 <sbp> ...
09:28:25 <thelsdj_> heheh
09:28:26 <sbp> might've known
09:28:36 <sbp> ARGH, NO DURBY
09:29:29 <bjoern_> I would translate kunterbunt with "veerrry colourful" and quietschbunt with ... well, squeakingly colourful
09:30:29 <sbp> squeakingly colourful. awesome
09:30:40 <sbp> "why my dear, you're looking squeakingly colourful today!"
09:31:49 <sbp> .compare gurubuntu rococobuntu foliobuntu totobuntu motobuntu
09:31:52 <phenny> motobuntu (4), gurubuntu (4), totobuntu (0), rococobuntu (0), foliobuntu (0)
09:32:05 <sbp> Gurubuntu is quite good
09:32:21 <bjoern_> .gc gnubuntu
09:32:23 <phenny> gnubuntu: 928
09:32:26 <sbp> ooh
09:32:45 <sbp> .compare oohbuntu ruebuntu
09:32:48 <phenny> oohbuntu (1), ruebuntu (0)
09:32:53 <sbp> ARGH
09:32:58 <sbp> I HATE "DURBY"
09:33:25 <sbp> anyway, I gots to run
09:34:01 <thelsdj_> .gc gnewsense
09:34:03 <phenny> gnewsense: 491,000
09:34:09 <thelsdj_> thats what should be called 'gnubuntu'
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09:38:09 <kandinski> .gc ewebuntu
09:38:12 <phenny> ewebuntu: 4
09:38:33 <kandinski> .gc groobuntu
09:38:36 <phenny> groobuntu: 0
09:38:42 <kandinski> .gc gruebuntu
09:38:45 <phenny> gruebuntu: 6
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10:23:21 <Monty> hi libby_, how ya doing?
10:23:23 <phenny> Monty: shh, don't let anyone know you're around!
10:23:32 <Monty> than TPP of a devout christian, is giving as usual, is great. We normally assume that person say it's behind my little baby hand, the recent list all reruns...
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10:32:31 <kandinski> hi libby!
10:32:36 <kandinski> long time no see, how are you?
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12:36:28 <bpt> sbp: the link rel="alternate"s in whits's atom feed point to the wrong URIs
12:37:47 <bpt> sbp: e.g. /whits/2007/05#N1312 instead of /whits/2007/05#N051312 for the most recent atom:entry
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12:42:32 <bjoern_> .gc ubuntubuntu
12:42:35 <phenny> ubuntubuntu: 26
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13:02:30 * xover fails to grasp even a single sentence, much less any whole paragraph...
13:02:54 * xover even fails to grasp an apparent majority of the individual words...
13:03:23 * xover invokes Ash to stab sbp. A lot.
13:08:31 <bjoern_> oooh xover! just in time
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15:05:55 <sbp> phenny: tell bpt thanks! fixed whits's link[@rel='alternate']/@href
15:05:55 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when bpt is around.
15:07:14 <bpt> ,
15:07:14 <phenny> bpt: 15:05Z <sbp> tell bpt thanks! fixed whits's link[@rel='alternate']/@href
15:07:55 <sbp> ;
15:08:04 <thelsdj_> :
15:08:08 <sbp> !
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15:47:50 <deltab> sbp: there's a programme about The Sky at Night on BBC1 now
15:47:58 <sbp> ooh
15:48:06 <sbp> argh, but Chelsea vs. Arsenal is on too
15:49:12 <sbp> ah! half time!
15:49:13 <sbp> awesome. good timing; thanks
15:49:50 <sbp> .gc "The Story of the Solar System" Chambers
15:49:51 <phenny> "The Story of the Solar System" Chambers: 890
15:49:56 <sbp> hey, it sounds like Paul Merton narrating
15:50:14 <sbp> wow, Heather Couper. haven't seen her for a while
15:50:19 <sbp> ooh, ACC
15:50:35 <sbp> he's gettign on a bit too
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16:53:42 <sbp> good example of [[over]]-[[linking]] [[on]] [[Wikipedia]]:
16:53:51 <sbp> "'''''Shaun the Sheep''''' is a [[United Kingdom|British]] [[fiction]]al [[stop-motion]] [[animated]] [[children's television series]]" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaun_the_Sheep
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17:03:54 <jsled> I don't know. [[is]], [[a]], [[produced]] and [[show]] could easily be linked, too.
17:06:40 <sbp> not to mention the suffix [[al]]
17:09:04 <jsled> oh, true. I don't think I've seen word-parts separately linked, on WP or elsewhere. Unless it's every letter individually to some point.
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17:43:11 <jsled> sbp: There is both a w3c irc channel for html-wg, and #whatwg on freenode, here.
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18:03:07 <deltab> on a cooking show on BBC2 now, dog stew and baby seal
18:04:01 <kpreid> sbp: huh, the swhack logs are Even More Broken: the wrong content is returned, at least according to comparison with google cache
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18:22:05 <Monty> howdy, thelsdj
18:22:54 <thelsdj> ytnoM ,ydwoh
18:28:54 <deltab> eww, raw walrus meat, buried underground for a year to decompose, then chopped into steaks with an axe. "It tastes pretty much like you'd expect 12-month-old decomposing walrus flesh to taste."
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18:55:20 <sbp> kpreid: that's the expected breakage
18:55:32 <sbp> kpreid: simply force refresh to fix it in the interim. it's a caching problem
18:55:46 <sbp> apparently caused by an upgrade to Debian etch, plus new software
18:55:50 <kpreid> ok
18:56:00 <sbp> deltab: Victoria's Empire is on BBC 1 next!
18:56:02 <sbp> it was very, very good last week. this is part 2/3
18:56:06 <sbp> jsled: what's the html-wg channel?
18:56:30 <sbp> it's a bugger, I know
18:57:09 <deltab> sbp: yeah, I saw it. Did you see Points of View? The people who wrote into that liked it too
18:57:19 <sbp> ooh, nope. that's good
18:57:24 <sbp> [[[
18:57:25 <sbp> > Are these lights coming from the center of the earth where it
18:57:25 <sbp> > has a inner sun, being that it is hollow.
18:57:25 <sbp> Probably not, no.
18:57:26 <swhask> Parse error
18:57:26 <swhask> Parse error
18:57:33 <sbp> ]]] - reply to an Earth Light site enquirer
18:58:38 <sbp> 'twas freaktacularly good, really
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19:00:49 <sbp> "proper programme"... hehe
19:02:59 <JibberJim> Sarkozy wins! Will darobin be killed in riots tonight?
19:03:07 <sbp> aw man
19:03:20 <sbp> two disasters in one day
19:03:30 <sbp> Sarkozy in, darobin slaughtered in riots
19:03:41 <jsled> <irc://irc.w3.org:6665/html-wg> as per <http://www.w3.org/html/wg/>.
19:03:43 <JibberJim> well they'd be linked wouldn't they...
19:03:55 <sbp> oh, only the wtf one was on Freenode eh?
19:04:02 <sbp> well yeah, but still...
19:04:11 <sbp> anyway, I'm putting this down now to concentrate on TV
19:04:28 <JibberJim> "I used to have an obsession of winning in Europe but the Premiership has become a priority."
19:04:44 <JibberJim> Yeah right Fergie, you sure that's 'cos you've not won diddly in Europe for years...
19:05:10 <jsled> 53% vs. 47% does not a "mandate" make.
19:08:24 <KragenSitaker> sarkozy was the only candidate who didn't answer the questions from april.org?
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19:59:31 <sbp> well that was excellent again
19:59:53 <sbp> it took me by surprise last week how great it was
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20:00:03 <sbp> this week I think I pinned down some of the reasons I like it:
20:00:44 <JibberJim> what is it?
20:00:47 <sbp> * Every second of it is planned really well. Little jokes like the guy singing "drop you a line" and they show an angler... it's not patronising in the "we have to tell you this seven times otherwise you won't understand" way that most other programmes are
20:00:52 <sbp> Victoria's Empire
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20:02:04 <sbp> * Victoria Wood's a lot funnier in it than, say, Michael Palin. it seems like Palin was trying to get away from comedy almost with his shows. not that they weren't extremely funny, but there wasn't really a concerted effort. VE is really really funny at times though
20:02:51 <sbp> * It's pretty clever. It's got this odd blend of being totally irreverent (the opening comment about it not being a charity show, the bit about the Queen taking photos of her bottom), and yet she covers stuff like the slavery trade in a way which is... interesting and actually heartfelt
20:03:21 <sbp> not like pretty much 99% of the stuff that came on with the slave trade anniversary recently, which felt really forced. "oh we'd better cover this and be sensitive"
20:03:51 <jsled> .wik Victoria's Empire
20:03:54 <phenny> "The British Empire and Commonwealth Museum (grid reference ST597725) is a museum in Bristol, United Kingdom which explores the history of the British Empire and the effect that British colonial rule had on the rest of the world." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Empire_and_Commonwealth_Museum
20:03:57 <sbp> shame there's only three, but I guess it wouldn't be as tight if there were more
20:04:04 <sbp> no Wikipedia page yet? odd
20:04:09 <sbp> .wik Victoria Wood
20:04:12 <phenny> "Victoria Wood OBE is an English comedian, actor, singer and writer born 19 May 1953 in Prestwich Village, Greater Manchester ." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria_Wood
20:04:13 <sbp> probably something on there, at least
20:04:48 <sbp> doesn't say much... "She is also appearing in her own travel documentary show called Victoria's Empire where she travels around the world in search of the history, cultural impact and customs which the British Empire placed on the parts of the world it ruled. The programme is shown on Sunday nights on BBC One at 8pm."
20:05:12 <sbp> she's famous for a lot of good TV here, but it's all been comedy stuff as far as I know
20:05:28 <sbp> this is the first more serious thing
20:06:52 <sbp> "Lucas and Walliams's Perfect Night In" is on C4 now
20:06:56 <sbp> but I'm not watching it
20:06:58 <sbp> because they suck
20:12:06 <sbp> awesome
20:12:10 <sbp> this guy is tuning a record
20:12:27 <sbp> he set off a tuning fork, and a tuning fork had been recorded at the beginning of this old vinyl
20:12:33 <sbp> and he matched the pitches before playing it
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20:13:46 <sbp> reminds me of how they restored the old Dylan 1966 bootleg concerts by using the fixed pitch of the harmonica as a reference
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21:10:00 <Monty> But what does MoiraA have to do with the price of fish?
21:10:02 <phenny> Hush there, Monty.
21:10:03 <Monty> UNIX creates skeletons!!!
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21:14:09 <bpt> Zombies, Monty. Not skeletons.
21:14:10 <Monty> There's a clarification.
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21:21:53 *** deltab changed the topic to: "<bjoern_> ... | ‹Monty› UNIX creates skeletons!!! ‹bpt› Zombies, Monty. Not skeletons. ‹Monty› There's a clarification."
21:22:38 <deltab> Monty: uh, /etc/skel
21:22:42 <Monty> bsh: oh I see, this phrase in sandbox/gobby/ -- Paul O'Grady on this universe 13
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22:06:59 <sbp> stupid light pollution
22:18:48 <kandinski> what were you trying to see?
22:24:28 <JibberJim> darkness?
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23:02:25 <deltab> Gliese 581c?
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23:22:21 <Tene> .pc ♩
23:22:24 <phenny> 2669: QUARTER NOTE (♩)
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