2007-05-10 Swhack IRC Log

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00:33:43 <Mike_L> .pc
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00:38:10 <Arnia> .cp
00:38:13 <phenny> 0000: <control> - NULL
00:38:16 <phenny> 0001: <control> - START OF HEADING (
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00:38:19 <phenny> 0002: <control> - START OF TEXT () [...]
00:38:41 <Arnia> aww... I thought phenny could list the whole unicode spec
00:39:19 <Mike_L> .cp
00:39:21 <phenny> 0000: <control> - NULL
00:39:24 <phenny> 0001: <control> - START OF HEADING (
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00:39:27 <phenny> 0002: <control> - START OF TEXT () [...]
00:41:10 <Mike_L> does phenny have a privmsg interface?
00:41:29 <bpt> .cp DIAERESIS
00:41:32 <phenny> 00A8: DIAERESIS (¨)
00:41:35 <phenny> 00C4: LATIN CAPITAL LETTER A WITH DIAERESIS (Ä)
00:41:38 <phenny> 00CB: LATIN CAPITAL LETTER E WITH DIAERESIS (Ë) [...]
00:41:43 <Mike_L> phenny: .cp 愛
00:41:53 <bpt> .cp LAMDA
00:41:55 <phenny> 039B: GREEK CAPITAL LETTER LAMDA (Λ)
00:41:58 <phenny> 03BB: GREEK SMALL LETTER LAMDA (λ)
00:42:01 <phenny> 1D27: GREEK LETTER SMALL CAPITAL LAMDA (ᴧ) [...]
00:42:05 <bpt> .cp SNOW
00:42:08 <phenny> 2603: SNOWMAN (☃)
00:42:11 <phenny> 2744: SNOWFLAKE (❄)
00:42:12 <Mike_L> hehe
00:42:14 <phenny> 2745: TIGHT TRIFOLIATE SNOWFLAKE (❅) [...]
00:42:24 <Mike_L> .cp AI
00:42:27 <phenny> 0095: <control> - MESSAGE WAITING (•)
00:42:30 <phenny> 0195: LATIN SMALL LETTER HV (ƕ)
00:42:33 <phenny> 01BA: LATIN SMALL LETTER EZH WITH TAIL (ƺ) [...]
00:42:45 <Mike_L> .cp JAPANESE AI
00:42:47 <phenny> Sorry, no results found for 'JAPANESE AI'.
00:42:50 <KragenSitaker> .cp SUC
00:42:52 <phenny> 227B: SUCCEEDS (≻)
00:42:55 <phenny> 227D: SUCCEEDS OR EQUAL TO (≽)
00:42:58 <phenny> 227F: SUCCEEDS OR EQUIVALENT TO (≿) [...]
00:43:56 <Mike_L> .cp CHIKARA
00:43:58 <phenny> Sorry, no results found for 'CHIKARA'.
00:49:13 <Mike_L> .cp 611B
00:49:15 <phenny> Sorry, no results found for '611B'.
00:49:33 <Mike_L> phenny: help
00:49:36 <phenny> Hi, I'm phenny (a http://inamidst.com/phenny/)
00:49:38 <phenny> Commands: acronym, beats, charinfo, codepoint, compare, email, gimage, google, googlecalc, googlecount, googledef, httphead, kalusa, map, myersbriggs, podecoint, rate, rates, remind, representation, seen, swhackorigin, swhacktail, tavtime, thesaurus, time, translate, validate, wordnet
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00:49:42 <phenny> Try "phenny: help command?" if stuck. My owner is sbp.
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00:49:54 <Monty> lo tommorris_
00:50:36 <Mike_L> .pc 愛
00:50:39 <phenny> Sorry, no results found for r'^611B\b'.
00:51:06 <Mike_L> .pc %
00:51:08 <phenny> 0025: PERCENT SIGN (%)
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01:30:21 <Monty> welcome, BigJibby
01:30:55 <BigJibby> thanks Monty
01:30:58 <Monty> Any Americans wish I calculated the iTunes certainly
01:31:44 <BigJibby> damn yankees, eh Monty
01:31:47 <Monty> death-defying babies adores playing bacon roll :(
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01:32:20 <Monty> welcome, tommorris
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01:39:26 <crschmidt> Anyone have an OS X 10.3 machine lying around and want to be an OpenLayers bugfixer?
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02:30:04 <Monty> howdy, perigrin
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02:32:15 <Monty> howdy, bjoern_
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02:32:28 <bjoern_> lo Monty
02:32:29 <Monty> envelopes == dinosaurs;
02:32:43 <Mike_L> Monty: seen any death defying babies playing bacon roll lately? :P
02:32:45 <Monty> I reckon sodium + Job Center = pretty middle name?
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03:32:15 <bjoern_> http://it.slashdot.org/it/07/05/10/0024233.shtml is cool
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03:56:39 <bjoern_> teh internet just crashed!?!
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04:45:24 <ido> π
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04:46:16 <ido> 2testñ
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04:56:38 <bjoern_> FAIL
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04:59:06 <Monty> hey bear42
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05:13:15 <ido> scavhunt.uchicago.edu
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05:32:05 <Monty> hi tommorris_
05:32:23 <bjoern_> hi laplink
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05:47:21 <laplink> Howdy bjoern_
05:47:46 <bjoern_> So, You Happy Now [tm]?
05:47:54 <laplink> ?
05:48:35 <bjoern_> Well DanC resolved the issues you had.
05:48:45 <laplink> Should I have checked my email this morning or something?
05:48:48 <laplink> ah
05:48:54 * laplink goes to check email...
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05:54:11 <laplink> Well, that was... interesting.
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05:56:46 <laplink> I'm somewhat surprised the Chairs didn't even talk to me before resolving to let the question carry over objections.
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06:31:10 <bjoern_> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6637587.stm
06:31:25 <bjoern_> Reminds me of "Who keeps the metric system down? We do, we do!"
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06:44:43 <Monty> howdy, piotch
06:45:26 <piotch> hello Monty
06:45:31 <Monty> http://feeds.barrons.info/~r/barrons/techtraderdaily/feed/~3/115377305/ Moto to snag Moto?
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08:12:00 <Monty> hi Gromgul1
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08:54:00 <sbp> on an albatross in Scotland: "For the past four decades he has been engaged in a futile attempt to woo gannets on several remote islands." - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/highlands_and_islands/6641021.stm
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08:58:01 <Monty> welcome, darobin
08:58:57 <darobin> hi Monty
08:58:57 <Monty> That is interesting. Please continue.
09:01:16 <sbp> quick, whilst you've got 'im interested!
09:02:31 <sbp> [[[
09:02:32 <sbp> We are trying to put ourselves forward as a modern country putting our imperial past in perspective, like slavery, and here we are glorifying one element of it
09:02:32 <sbp> Roz Denny, UK Metric Association
09:02:40 <sbp> ]]] - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6637587.stm
09:02:42 <sbp> that's great, that
09:02:51 <sbp> imperial measures -> imperial Britain -> slavery!!
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10:23:36 * bjoern_ notes he already posted the metric system link, and in fact the albatross link he posted in a forum with a largely female population...
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11:10:08 <sbp> YO
11:13:38 <sbp> heh. Blair just said "convervative with a small c"
11:13:53 <sbp> bjoern_: yeah, that's where I got the link from
11:14:00 <sbp> just wanted to comment on that quote
11:15:24 *** deltab changed the topic to: ""This is what can happen when you live in a mushroom-based kingdom." | Futilely wooing gannets since 1967"
11:15:54 <sbp> hehe
11:16:12 <sbp> bet Morbus could do better
11:16:19 <sbp> .gc "gannet wooing"
11:16:22 <phenny> "gannet wooing": 0
11:16:53 <deltab> he'd point out that there's a gannet wooing game for the 360
11:17:01 <sbp> yes...
11:17:57 <sbp> and that that was the first game he got all the achievement points for
11:20:13 <Morbus> actually, rumble roses xx and dead or alive extreme 2 are both wooing games.
11:20:15 <Morbus> i own both ;)
11:20:28 <sbp> rumble roses is a *wooing* game?
11:20:39 <sbp> these are good:
11:20:40 <sbp> http://creativebits.org/cool_business_card_designs
11:20:45 <sbp> http://www.flickr.com/photos/dailypoetics/sets/72057594104389710/detail/
11:20:46 <sbp> EOL
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11:23:10 <Morbus> well, hrm. no, it's not a wooing game.
11:23:13 <Morbus> but there are humiliations.
11:23:15 <Morbus> and bitch slapping.
11:23:17 <sbp> man, Blair's leaving speech is so boring
11:23:24 <Morbus> actually, wiat, i suppose it /is/ a wooing game.
11:23:31 <Morbus> the more you tagteam with a girl, the better you work together.
11:23:32 <sbp> "I was so great. Please understand that I was really great. Let me now prove to you how great I was."
11:23:33 <Morbus> there is affinitity.
11:23:52 <sbp> ah, girl-on-girl foxy box wooing
11:24:18 <JibberJim> Blair's speech must be getting more interesting?
11:24:29 <sbp> JibberJim: how?
11:24:36 <sbp> I mean technically it can't get much more boring
11:24:40 <sbp> but it's not getting better
11:24:47 <JibberJim> "And I would like to resign from being Prime minister, and I will be getting into girl-on-girl foxy box wooing"....
11:24:53 <sbp> heh, heh
11:25:01 <sbp> he hasn't come to what he's going to do yet
11:25:18 <JibberJim> Economist was saying, he's a bit stuffed on doing anything else
11:25:24 <sbp> "The British are special. The world knows it... in our inner thoughts we know it. This is the greatest nation on earth!"
11:25:40 <sbp> he'll probably move to Austria or something
11:27:45 <JibberJim> Well he's got a whacking big mortgage to pay for...
11:27:49 <JibberJim> so he needs to get a job
11:28:13 <sbp> heh, heh
11:28:26 <sbp> nah, he'll just give away all those spare peerages he's got in his cellar
11:28:47 <sbp> Kinnock speaking now. shame he was never prime minister
11:29:04 <sbp> Thatcher vs. Kinnock... I still don't understand what was wrong with the nation in the 80s
11:29:12 <sbp> must've been the music. broke people's political branes
11:29:34 <sbp> new romantics -> OMG VOTE CONSERVATIVE BRING BACK THE DRAFT EEK!
11:30:10 <sbp> nice how they timed this to coincide with yet another interest rate rise
11:30:20 <sbp> presumably a complete coincidence
11:31:44 <cre8radix> hiy'all
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11:32:06 <sbp> yo
11:32:26 <cre8radix> how is it?
11:32:32 <cre8radix> at the summit?
11:32:35 <cre8radix> http://summit.kein.org/node/258
11:34:20 <sbp> nope, I'm not there. are you?
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11:37:54 <cre8radix> no... but nadine and t are attending for the espians... might be that saul is there as well
11:42:38 <sbp> hmm! Prescott's resigned!
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12:02:55 <sbp> (ah, the Prescott thing was expected)
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12:13:04 <sbp> hehe
12:13:13 <cre8radix> hohoho
12:13:14 <sbp> the Speaker called Brown the Prime Minister by mistake
12:13:21 <sbp> wait for the joke... :-)
12:13:27 <cre8radix> k
12:13:42 <cre8radix> :D
12:13:51 <cre8radix> :8
12:13:55 <cre8radix> fuc
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12:23:44 <sbp> heh
12:26:24 * Arnia feels nauseated
12:26:44 <Arnia> 27th June is so far away :(
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12:29:47 <Arnia> [[[ The Liberal Democrats have, meanwhile, tabled a Parliamentary motion urging the Queen to dissolve parliament and call a general election. ]]] -- http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6639945.stm
12:29:57 <Arnia> Cos that will, you know, help :p
12:34:17 <sbp> yeah and when it comes we have Gordon Brown as PM
12:34:24 <sbp> whom nobody really seems to know much about
12:34:29 <sbp> for all his time as chancellor
12:34:51 <sbp> general election: heh, yeah, having the Conservatives even earlier. great fun
12:35:05 * Arnia sighs
12:35:21 <Arnia> I feel even less happy with the party system than I did before
12:35:31 <Arnia> I don't want ANY of the parties to form a government
12:35:43 <sbp> yeah. they're all pretty naff
12:35:56 <Arnia> I want the Lords to revoke the Bill of Rights :p
12:36:02 <sbp> hehe
12:36:04 <Arnia> oh, and the Parliament Acts
12:36:14 <sbp> you never know, you might get a chance to elect them to do that soon! :-)
12:36:23 <sbp> Lord David Beckham
12:36:30 <sbp> ye olde chuckle
12:36:46 <Arnia> I am so so angry at the idea of an elected upper house
12:37:27 <Arnia> "The public don't trust career politicians to make the right decisions. Let us make the upper house a load of career politicians!"
12:37:38 <sbp> yeah. the fact that they're generally retired fairly intelligent people somehow makes them represent sanity. not sure how that works when there are so many Conservative peers and all sorts of weird folk in there
12:38:02 <Arnia> Yeah, but it used to be that crossbenchers were in the majority
12:38:10 <sbp> they seem to make a good filter when the govt. screw up, and when the govt. don't screw up, all is fine anyway
12:38:12 <Arnia> Until the hereditary peers were culled
12:38:25 * Arnia grumbles some more
12:38:27 <Arnia> http://www.ukma.org.uk/
12:38:50 <Arnia> I hate it when people call some artifice 'rational' as if that's a good thing
12:38:53 <sbp> man, don't even get me started on metric
12:39:05 <sbp> I guess you saw the Roz Denny quote? grande chuckles there
12:39:30 <sbp> yeah good point. reminds me of the rationality of the seasons
12:39:41 <sbp> which is actually oversimplification given the sun's width, &c.
12:39:50 <sbp> next they'll be advocating decimal time
12:40:23 <sbp> "it's ten past the hundred" "what?" "I... don't know"
12:40:39 <sbp> whilst I'm at it I might as well grumble at BST too
12:40:44 * sbp waves his fist at BST
12:40:52 <sbp> let's see... what else...
12:41:16 <kpreid> ¬
12:41:20 <kpreid> sbp: I never liked Helvetica
12:41:22 <Arnia> Actually, when working in one's head, a system of 'folk' units should centre around the number three
12:41:25 <sbp> you don't hear about the Monster Raving Looney Party much these days
12:41:34 <sbp> ah, or duodecimal
12:41:35 <Arnia> As a more typical subitization limit
12:41:37 <kpreid> jammed-together thin-lined letters, or so it's seemed
12:41:39 <sbp> rather, and
12:41:42 <kpreid> (re Whit)
12:41:49 <Arnia> .wik subitization
12:41:54 <phenny> "Subitizing, coined in 1949 by E.L. Kaufman et al.[1] refers to the rapid, accurate, and confident judgments of number performed for small numbers of items." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subitizing_and_counting
12:41:57 <sbp> three, seven+/-two, twelve...
12:42:00 <Arnia> Aha, they do have it
12:42:04 <sbp> nice
12:42:09 <sbp> kpreid: aha, thanks for the support
12:42:15 <sbp> thought I was going mad for a moment
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12:42:29 <sbp> everybody heaping smelly fecund lumplings of praise onto it
12:43:17 <Arnia> I think it is over-rated, but I don't dislike it
12:43:36 <Arnia> I only hate the way people use it everywhere... I like more discerning use of fonts
12:43:38 <kpreid> actually, I should qualify that
12:43:47 <sbp> yeah, I don't dislike it particularly
12:43:52 <sbp> but I don't really like it, either
12:43:52 <kpreid> The Mac bitmap 12-point Helvetica is not that badd
12:43:55 <kpreid> s/dd/d/
12:44:11 <sbp> I think it's just getting more and more hollow aesthetically, as it ages
12:44:11 <kpreid> (I have to say this, as I once hardcoded it into a major app)
12:44:14 <sbp> heh
12:44:35 <kpreid> then antialiased rendering came along and uglyfied it
12:44:36 <kpreid> :-)
12:44:47 <Arnia> I don't have immense passion for it though... unlike, say, Gill Sans, Palatino or a good cut of Caslon
12:45:03 <sbp> ah, you like Palatino? doesn't surprise me! it seems a very you font
12:45:13 <Arnia> sbp: it was an expression of a movement that made hollowness *the* aesthetic
12:45:15 <sbp> I had this little period of liking Palatino, and then it faded... too dark for me. too gothic
12:45:21 <Arnia> sbp: everything without meaning
12:46:04 <Arnia> sbp: yeah... I quite like Sabon atm too
12:46:14 <sbp> I dunno. I mean I hate modernism's balls, but I don't think it was entirely aesthetically hollow. obviously that was the aim, but I think it succumbed to the Modernist Fallacy, that progressives tend to think that they're the *most* advanced that they can be, ignoring the fact that progress is continual
12:46:57 <sbp> so in a way, by trying to encode that spiritless futuristic hardline modernism, they seem to have actually put in some spirit of the rather swinging early 20th century
12:47:19 <sbp> when I look at old Railway/Holiday posters, for example, the old Art Deco period sort of stuff...
12:47:50 <sbp> I look at it and think "heh, that's kinda cool" because it looks so antique now, with all the long dressed women and the pointy tyres and beaches and promise of the train system
12:48:07 <sbp> whereas if I was around at the time I prolly would've hated it
12:48:31 <sbp> in retrospect you can see where people are being conceited and smug and it falls apart. time has the upper hand
12:48:40 <sbp> at the time, on the other hand, you're immersed on it, so it's just annoying
12:49:04 * Arnia doesn't like to pin his own aesthetic on something as silly as a 'march of progress'
12:49:08 <sbp> s/on it/in it/
12:49:19 <kpreid> .cp ⊕ ⊻
12:49:22 <phenny> Sorry, no results found for '⊕ ⊻'.
12:49:25 <sbp> yeah, I don't think anyone should
12:49:28 <kpreid> .pc ⊕⊻
12:49:31 <phenny> 2295: CIRCLED PLUS (⊕)
12:49:34 <phenny> 22BB: XOR (⊻)
12:49:35 <Arnia> I just make things which look nice to me and I feel communicate
12:49:51 <kpreid> (somebody asked in #unicode what the symbol for xor was and got those answers)
12:50:10 <sbp> I like to think a bit about how things will look in a hundred years--and how they would've looked a hundred years ago, which is almost the same thing
12:57:49 * sbp whitses an update about pronouns
12:58:17 <sbp> .wik Sabon
12:58:19 <phenny> "Sabon is the name of an old style serif typeface designed by the German born typographer and designer Jan Tschichold (1902–1974) in the period 1964–1967." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabon
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12:59:27 <sbp> Sabon looks quite nice
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13:00:58 <Arnia> indeed
13:01:12 <kpreid> inword
13:01:22 <sbp> insole
13:01:40 <kpreid> instep
13:02:08 <sbp> inamidst
13:02:20 <kpreid> insoluble
13:02:28 <sbp> loggy: pointer?
13:02:28 <loggy> http://swhack.com/logs/2007-05-10#T13-02-28
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13:05:14 <sbp> perigrin: pointer?
13:10:53 <perigrin> ->
13:11:24 <sbp> thanks
13:12:14 <Arnia> right. The Joe Is Off
13:12:22 <sbp> c'ya!
13:12:27 * Arnia will ensconce himself in a nearby publican institute
13:12:38 <sbp> no wifi there?
13:13:03 <Arnia> there is... but I'm going to lose the connection whilst my laptop is asleep in my bag ;)
13:13:22 <sbp> aw
13:13:30 <Arnia> 20 minutes or so walk from here
13:13:34 <Arnia> So, adieu
13:13:39 <sbp> adieu!
13:13:43 <perigrin> aurevoir
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13:14:39 <sbp> Much Adieu Afore Quaffing
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13:46:37 <Monty> But what does Arnia have to do with the price of fish?
13:46:40 <phenny> Hush there, Monty.
13:46:47 <Monty> erk, soz mate than 40% chance on eBay received bids in 2003 that got my shiny toy at last, and (optionally) a small areas, before 2009
13:51:33 <Arnia> sbp: http://jedidiah.stuff.gen.nz/wp/?page_id=10
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14:00:31 * perigrin has had more than a few English classes like that.
14:00:57 <perigrin> specifically the one I'm reminded of was "Technical Writing for Engineers" or some such.
14:01:40 <perigrin> which was effectively a course in how to update your Resume, and write a letter to management.
14:03:13 <Arnia> ...
14:07:17 <Arnia> hm... quantifiers as truth-functional devices or model-generational devices?
14:07:20 <Arnia> Opinions?
14:09:26 <sbp> yo! interesting MathsEnglish article
14:09:35 <sbp> only skimmed it for now, will look into the Finnish approach
14:09:42 <sbp> currently playing with the latest SketchUp
14:09:44 <sbp> it's a bit... buggy
14:09:56 <Arnia> I've never actually used SketchUp
14:16:19 <kpreid> Arnia: what's a model-generational device?
14:17:02 <Arnia> kpreid: rather than checking that some truth condition holds, it generates an explicit model where that condition holds
14:17:15 <kpreid> ah, ok
14:18:05 <Arnia> kpreid: so given the sentence 'Every dog barks' a truth-functional approach would be determining if this sentence is 'true' whereas a model-generational approach would be to attempt to create a model of the barking events described
14:18:33 <Arnia> Depends on how I allow quantifiers to float...
14:19:53 <Arnia> I still favour an approach where the quantifiers produce possible worlds
14:21:06 <Arnia> So the sentence 'every dog barks' has the quantified expression 'every dog' denoting the set of sets of all dogs with each set having a single dog in it
14:21:16 <Arnia> (difference between every and all...)
14:21:35 <Arnia> This gets fed to the first argument of the restricting relation 'barks'
14:22:08 <Arnia> This generates the possible worlds of barking
14:22:27 <kpreid> every tree barks
14:23:37 <Arnia> 'every tree swims'
14:23:53 <Arnia> Which, whilst we know is wrong, isn't wrong as an isolated statement
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14:25:40 <kpreid> mm
14:26:04 <MoiraA> hi
14:26:07 <kpreid> So can you have a contradiction, and does that mean that the sentence generates the empty set of possible worlds?
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14:27:26 <Arnia> kpreid: depends on the semantics chosen... for a simple Kripke semantics, yes
14:27:29 <kpreid> Or are all such things still 'possible' but eliminated at later stages
14:27:52 <Arnia> kpreid: note, I'm not proposing my reasoner actually enumerates the models
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14:28:04 <Arnia> kpreid: I just need a way to check whether one model subsumes another
14:29:37 <Arnia> I also need a way to allow background knowledge to be included into the reasoning process
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14:46:07 <Arnia> kpreid: The problem is sentences like 'no dog miaows'
14:48:23 <Arnia> kpreid: What on earth is the model for 'no dog' such that I may compare it with a model for say 'almost no dogs'
14:48:52 <Arnia> meh, it is irrelevant at the moment anyway...
14:48:54 <kpreid> well
14:48:57 <sbp> compare the reverse then negate the answer?
14:49:00 <kpreid> is it wrong to invert them?
14:49:14 <kpreid> "every dog doesn't miaow" "most dogs don't miaow"
14:49:53 <Arnia> kpreid: loses compositionality... the quantifier 'no' then becomes two argument, something I'm looking to avoid
14:50:22 <Arnia> (and yes, the answer you gave is the one from generalised quantifier theory... I'm just not satisfied by it)
14:51:33 <Arnia> no(\x.dog(x))(\y.miaows(y))
14:52:16 <sbp> Monty: remind me in 60 minutes that Humpotron has a gift certificate
14:52:16 <Monty> sbp: Okay, I'll remind you about that on Thu May 10 16:47:13 BST 2007
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14:54:04 <cre8radix> hey guys and gjals... check out the http://www.telekommunisten.net/
14:54:12 <cre8radix> telnik
14:54:21 <Arnia> Sorry, I'm rambling again... I'm just a little puzzled about how to handle this
14:54:33 <cre8radix> venture communism on telephony
15:00:14 <cre8radix> http://www.telekommunisten.net/?lang=en
15:00:40 <cre8radix> http://24weeks.com
15:01:06 <sbp> cre8radix: Canadian Blowjob, the crime-fighting wrestler, impels you to stop
15:01:23 <cre8radix> hrhr
15:01:33 <cre8radix> stop posting links?
15:01:49 * Arnia hands sbp a badger of awesome power
15:01:57 * sbp weilds the badger
15:02:05 <cre8radix> *duck*
15:02:09 <sbp> 24weeks.com is fine
15:02:18 <sbp> telekommunisten.net is boring as hell though
15:02:27 <cre8radix> didya try it?
15:02:30 <sbp> it hath offended my sensibilities, verily!
15:02:32 <sbp> no because it was so boring
15:02:38 <sbp> I got to the *red* and I was bored
15:02:42 <sbp> didn't even get as far as the words
15:02:59 * cre8radix is down 4 nrk
15:03:09 * sbp gives cre8radix 4 nrk
15:03:18 <sbp> now you're even
15:04:35 <cre8radix> i'm using the dialstation frequently tho...
15:04:51 <cre8radix> kinda like the concept
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15:05:00 <sbp> all the same, I don't think it deserved two links
15:05:04 <cre8radix> .wik neoist
15:05:07 <phenny> "Neoism refers both to a specific subcultural network of artistic performance and media experimentalists and more generally to a practical underground philosophy." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoist
15:05:25 <cre8radix> sorry
15:05:47 <cre8radix> i should have pasted the lang=en link in the first place
15:05:56 <sbp> also some explanation of why you liked it etc. would've been good
15:06:00 * cre8radix asks for forgivenessssss
15:06:09 <Arnia> .wik sibilant
15:06:11 <phenny> "A sibilant is a type of fricative or affricate consonant, made by directing a jet of air through a narrow channel in the vocal tract towards the sharp edge of the teeth." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sibilant
15:06:18 <sbp> you don't speak very much here... if I didn't know you from elsewhere, I'd've hauled your ass out for spamming! :-)
15:06:35 * cre8radix blushes
15:06:35 * Arnia hands sbp a gigaphone
15:06:40 <cre8radix> god
15:06:43 <sbp> IS THIS THING ON
15:06:49 <Arnia> .gc gigaphone
15:06:49 <sbp> WTF YES IT IS
15:06:51 <phenny> gigaphone: 10,300
15:06:56 <Arnia> .gc megaphone
15:06:59 <phenny> megaphone: 2,090,000
15:07:07 <Arnia> .gc kilophone
15:07:09 <sbp> megaphones seem puny by comparison
15:07:10 <phenny> kilophone: 31
15:07:15 <Arnia> .gc decaphone
15:07:18 <phenny> decaphone: 36
15:07:24 <sbp> .gc attophone
15:07:26 <phenny> attophone: 1
15:07:30 * sbp skips ahead a bit
15:07:34 <sbp> .gc femtophone
15:07:37 <Arnia> .gc teraphone
15:07:37 <phenny> femtophone: 1
15:07:39 <phenny> teraphone: 161
15:07:45 <Arnia> .gc petaphone
15:07:47 <phenny> petaphone: 3
15:08:09 <sbp> .gc yottaphone
15:08:11 <phenny> yottaphone: 1
15:08:16 <Arnia> I'd hate to see someone use a petaphone... DESTROY THE UNIVERSE sound
15:08:17 <sbp> .gc yoctophone
15:08:20 <phenny> yoctophone: 0
15:08:35 <sbp> yeah, it'd be like that Simpsons where Bart puts all those megaphones together
15:08:38 <sbp> "testing"
15:08:45 <sbp> BOOM
15:09:09 <sbp> okay, here's a question
15:09:24 <sbp> has anyone in Britain ever really used "milliard" to denote 1,000,000,000?
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15:09:25 <Monty> Speak of the devil, it's eikeon!
15:09:49 <Arnia> .gc milliard
15:09:50 <phenny> milliard: 7,170,000
15:09:53 <sbp> I sure as crap don't
15:10:01 <sbp> and I never have, even before I was immersed in American telly
15:10:10 <Arnia> Still, over seven million links
15:10:28 <sbp> sounds like a type of bird
15:10:37 <Arnia> .gc milliard bird
15:10:38 <phenny> milliard bird: 79,500
15:10:41 <kpreid> billiards
15:10:45 <cre8radix> hshs
15:10:47 <sbp> hmm, that explains a bit of it then :-)
15:10:48 <Arnia> silliards
15:10:54 <sbp> willy-nilliards
15:11:06 <cre8radix> .gc phantatilliards
15:11:07 <phenny> phantatilliards: 0
15:11:12 <kpreid> jelliards
15:11:13 <cre8radix> .gc phantastilliards
15:11:13 <phenny> phantastilliards: 0
15:11:15 <Arnia> YOU LOOSE
15:11:20 <cre8radix> grrr
15:11:21 <Arnia> ME TIGHT
15:11:23 <sbp> chilliards
15:11:26 <Arnia> Ahem
15:11:26 <cre8radix> *lol*
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15:11:33 * Arnia sproings
15:11:42 <sbp> spronging bling-blong!
15:11:51 <kpreid> tilliards
15:11:57 <cre8radix> phantastillions
15:12:04 <sbp> oh that reminds me, I saw a numberplate today that sorta, when you twisted it about a heck of a lot, looked like what I hope is a new word. I will now googlecount that word
15:12:07 <sbp> .gc rofflesocks
15:12:08 <phenny> rofflesocks: 321
15:12:17 <sbp> ah well, still quite uncommon
15:12:39 <sbp> anyway, I can't remember the plate now
15:12:44 <cre8radix> ridiculards
15:12:48 <sbp> but I guess it was something like R037 SOX
15:13:01 <sbp> or R031 SOX
15:13:35 <Arnia> ROFFLESOCKS
15:14:02 <Arnia> sbp: you know, I keep a list of words we coin here in the hope that one day I will be able to name some highly abstract concept after them
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15:14:14 <sbp> really? awesomse!
15:14:19 <Arnia> Rofflesocks sounds like a new form of reasoning algorithm
15:14:25 <sbp> uh. that one was a typio. feel free to use it anyway
15:14:32 <sbp> typio was also a typo
15:14:39 <Arnia> metatypo
15:14:43 <sbp> heh, yeah
15:14:44 <Arnia> .gc metatypo
15:14:45 <phenny> metatypo: 55
15:14:48 <Arnia> wow
15:14:52 <sbp> .gc tetamypo
15:14:52 <phenny> tetamypo: 0
15:14:56 <sbp> .gc thetamesis
15:14:56 <phenny> thetamesis: 8
15:15:07 <Arnia> sbp: I name you, THETAN!
15:15:15 <sbp> eep?
15:15:21 <Arnia> Doesn't have the same ring as 'carrionite'
15:15:33 <sbp> they should call a moon Thetan. that'd be funny
15:15:41 <sbp> .wik Carrionite
15:15:42 <phenny> "This is a list of monsters and aliens from the television series Doctor Who." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrionite
15:15:46 <kpreid> .gc hypertypo
15:15:47 <phenny> hypertypo: 26
15:15:55 <Arnia> And the scientologists go wild
15:15:56 <sbp> sigh, here we go again...
15:15:59 <sbp> .gc yottatypo
15:16:00 <phenny> yottatypo: 0
15:16:03 <sbp> .gc attotypo
15:16:04 <phenny> attotypo: 0
15:16:06 <sbp> .gc gigatypo
15:16:09 <phenny> gigatypo: 8
15:16:10 <Arnia> .gc n-dimensional typo
15:16:12 <phenny> n-dimensional typo: 11,600
15:16:16 <sbp> .gc typobike
15:16:16 <phenny> typobike: 0
15:16:43 <sbp> nobody's ever thought of a typobike before? it'd be a two wheeled form of transport that lets you run over typos. I... hmm
15:16:43 <kpreid> .gc "typoölogist"
15:16:43 <phenny> "typoölogist": 0
15:16:48 <sbp> nice
15:17:01 <kpreid> mmm, ¨
15:17:21 <sbp> hail to the ¨user, ¨user, ¨user
15:17:26 <sbp> hail to the ¨user, ¨user man
15:18:26 <sbp> Google
15:18:29 <sbp> Count
15:18:29 <Arnia> üüü!
15:18:30 <sbp> Game!
15:18:37 <sbp> .gc barfonaut
15:18:38 <chandler> hail to the normalization form C bitte
15:18:42 <kpreid> Goögle?
15:18:42 <phenny> barfonaut: 0
15:18:45 <Arnia> .wik typonaut
15:18:49 <phenny> "I always wanted some of these little boxes, and now I have them! It hasn't changed my life as much as it should, but then again, that's life." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Typonaut
15:18:55 <sbp> a loss, alack
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15:19:03 <sbp> chandler: don't talk to me about Normalisation Form C
15:19:09 <sbp> bloody Normalisation Form C
15:19:17 <Arnia> chandler: is on the Banned Topic List
15:19:22 <Arnia> chandler: brings him out in hives
15:19:22 <crschmidt> -- http://diveintomark.org/archives/2004/07/06/nfc
15:19:22 <sbp> was glad when RDF Core dropped that requirement
15:19:35 <kpreid> "bloödy"
15:19:40 <kpreid> gee, this is fun
15:19:56 <chandler> heh :-)
15:20:15 <sbp> it'd be fun for me too if I could type diaraeses as easily as circumflexes
15:20:29 <sbp> I will contribute boöbies, however
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15:27:20 <bjoern_> .compare "Normalization Form C" "Normalisation Form C"
15:27:23 <phenny> "Normalization Form C" (21,400), "Normalisation Form C" (234)
15:27:52 <sbp> you don't get me using -ize or -ization very often these days
15:28:04 <bjoern_> I should update my implementation to support Unicode 5, or maybe at least Unicode 4...
15:28:04 <sbp> I'm normalising to en-gb more
15:28:09 <Arnia> DIE IZE DIE
15:28:14 <Arnia> Sounds very german
15:28:16 <cre8radix> sbp: have you heard about the police raids in germany?
15:28:22 <sbp> cre8radix: nope?
15:28:29 <cre8radix> wanna know?
15:28:31 <sbp> yep!
15:28:44 <cre8radix> https://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2007/05/370112.html?c=on#c173350
15:29:07 <sbp> woah, major charset fuckage
15:29:13 <cre8radix> the pigs are moving against peoples networks to secure the g8
15:29:24 <cre8radix> shoulda used tiny url?
15:29:53 * sbp stabs Firefox as it refuses to let him change the charset manually for a bit
15:30:08 * Arnia revokes sbp's right to use unicode
15:30:13 <sbp> nope, it's probably due to the page not declaring an encoding and Firefox guessing wrong
15:30:19 <Arnia> All your codepoints belong to us!
15:30:26 <sbp> happens quite a lot. Firefox's chardet is absolutely ass
15:30:36 * Arnia screams and self-immolates backwards in time
15:30:51 <sbp> ah, no, not Firefox's fault this time
15:30:53 <sbp> it's double encoded
15:31:07 <bjoern_> well try http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6639223.stm ?
15:32:08 <bjoern_> There is btw no way to pronounce DIE IZE DIE in german in a way that sounds german.
15:32:11 <sbp> much better
15:32:20 <cre8radix> the german consulate in edinburgh has been re-decorated in lovely yellow!
15:32:44 <sbp> "Authorities are constructing a 12km (7.5-mile) security fence to protect G8 leaders." - wow
15:32:49 <cre8radix> hrhr
15:32:55 <cre8radix> that wont help
15:33:10 <cre8radix> they are scared shitless
15:33:23 <cre8radix> and they should be, too
15:33:35 <Arnia> bjoern_: I know... I was more referring to its typographic look... reminds me of something I saw a long time ago in the Baltic Gallery
15:33:35 * sbp blinks
15:33:54 * Arnia looks mildly afraid
15:33:55 <bjoern_> They don't really need protection, everyone knows who is next in line if you kill The Devil...
15:33:55 * sbp tries to imagine "DIE IZE DIE" in blackletter. or suetterlin (sp?)
15:34:04 <Arnia> sbp: indeed
15:34:11 <bjoern_> .wik Suetterlin
15:34:11 <phenny> "Sütterlinschrift (Sütterlin script), or Sütterlin for short, is a form of the old German blackletter handwriting ('Spitzschrift') that was designed by and named after Ludwig Sütterlin, a German graphical designer and teacher who was commissioned to do so by the [...]" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suetterlin
15:34:24 <bjoern_> sp is way off obviously
15:35:08 <sbp> it was perfect!
15:35:15 <sbp> I totally remembered that schnizzle
15:35:24 <sbp> also, is anyone else seeing links as brown on Wikipedia?
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15:35:40 <bjoern_> negative.
15:35:52 <chandler> sbp: yes, I am
15:36:03 * sbp wonders what they're playing at
15:36:05 <chandler> and I don't think it's because I've clicked on everything (yet!)
15:36:16 <sbp> yeah, I was wondering that briefly too
15:36:26 <sbp> it does look kinda like the visited purple
15:36:39 <jsled> cre8radix: I doubt they are scared shitless, it sounds like htey have everything well under control.
15:36:40 <sbp> but I have some visited links in the sidebar, and they're clearly different
15:36:58 <cre8radix> well... they don't
15:37:07 <chandler> looks like any link to a foo:bar page is blue, but regular links are brownish-reddish
15:37:10 <sbp> one single link on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shakespeare%27s_sonnets is blue
15:37:23 <sbp> yeah. the one that's blue in there has a # in it
15:37:29 <cre8radix> but i would rather discuss that somewhere else
15:37:30 <cre8radix> :)
15:37:34 <chandler> looks like a hard <a href ...> in the source, not a wiki link
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15:37:48 <bjoern_> They are all blue, red, and, what's it called, purple.
15:38:25 <bjoern_> in firefox and ie
15:38:37 <sbp> red?
15:38:40 <bjoern_> so, perhaps because you are logged in you get a different style sheet?
15:38:42 <chandler> the broken links are red
15:38:48 <chandler> I'm not logged in
15:38:49 <bjoern_> indeed
15:38:50 <sbp> oh right
15:38:55 <chandler> I see the brownish links in Opera, but not in FF
15:39:05 <sbp> I see them in FF. trying other browsers...
15:39:06 <cre8radix> sbp: they are basically shooting in the bush to see who's moving
15:39:09 <chandler> maybe they're using some kind of selector that Opera supports but not FF
15:39:21 <bjoern_> Opera 9.20, all blue and red
15:39:27 <sbp> *I'm* using FF
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15:39:35 <bjoern_> You are making this shit up, I think.
15:39:42 * chandler blames load balancing
15:39:47 <sbp> not happening in Safari
15:39:49 * Arnia blames badgers
15:39:58 <sbp> well, there's also an old tab that I had open, about measurements (Giga)
15:39:59 <Arnia> I always blame the badgers, but they are always to blame
15:40:02 <sbp> and that's got the normal colours
15:40:10 <sbp> and still has normal link colours when I force refresh
15:40:40 <chandler> it's like trying to track down the different google search page designs...
15:41:23 * sbp uses a bookmarklet to view the styles, see Arnia mentioned at the top!
15:41:35 <sbp> s/see/sees/
15:42:02 <sbp> (didn't help because the bookmarklet sucks)
15:42:26 <chandler> Arnia: personally I think it's the mushrooms. or maybe it's the cephalopods
15:42:45 <Arnia> sbp: hehe, yeah... it is annoying when I'm looking for possible citations :p
15:43:12 <sbp> I'll bet
15:43:48 <Arnia> The same thing happens with all the Plone sites :p
15:43:49 <sbp> ooh, George Galloway's on
15:43:51 <sbp> hahahahaha
15:44:15 <sbp> "Monica Lewinsky's sordid following of the previous president was not as devoted as Blair is to Bush"
15:44:26 <sbp> (paraphrasing... can't remember what he actually said; was laughing too much)
15:44:26 * Arnia sniggers
15:44:37 <Arnia> Galloway can be wonderfully harsh
15:44:53 <sbp> he also called him the worst president ever, and said that Blair's name was written on the tombstones of all the soldiers who died in Iraq, and so on
15:45:02 <sbp> BBC News 24, if you can get there
15:45:12 <Arnia> not right now alas
15:45:22 <sbp> "this man is guilty of negligance on a scale which damns him forever, and I believe he will be damned forever"
15:45:46 <sbp> "the Iraqis had nothing to do with Sept. 11th, and [para] it's set back finding those who did perpetrate it"
15:45:53 <sbp> "in fact we've created hundreds of new Bin Ladens"
15:46:18 <sbp> "this cauldron of hatred that they've created is now bubbling over and waiting to spill out"
15:46:28 <Arnia> mm... I might actually agree
15:46:32 <sbp> "I'm a man who's said that Blair and Brown are two cheeks of the same backside"
15:46:44 <Arnia> But then again I still believe we're heading for a crescent war scenario
15:47:14 <sbp> "he would've stayed to the end of the term but for the damage he did to himself and the anti-war movements"
15:47:28 <perigrin> Galloway is the MP from Scotland they tried bringing charges against?
15:47:31 <sbp> "nobody believes a word that the prime minister says anymore, even Gordon Brown"
15:47:35 <sbp> yeah
15:47:41 <perigrin> heh
15:47:42 <sbp> man, that was a golden interview
15:47:53 <sbp> two cheeks of the same backside... hehe
15:48:07 <sbp> sad I didn't catch it all
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15:49:32 <sbp> links are back to normal on Wikipedia now for me
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15:50:16 <Arnia> Hm... almost tempted to do a new design for Wikipedia
15:51:07 <sbp> it was #772233, as far as I can tell through the anti-aliasing, for the record
15:51:28 <Arnia> not now... but at some point in the near future
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15:51:45 <Arnia> Something more 'classical'
15:51:58 <sbp> #5a369f is my normal visited colour
15:52:07 <sbp> yeah, I'd like a more classical Wikipedia
15:52:15 <sbp> I liked the old design, with the serif
15:52:21 <Monty> sbp: You asked me to remind you that Humpotron has a gift certificate
15:52:41 <sbp> I'd get rid of a lot of the navigation stuff too, perhaps hide it with jQuery effects
15:52:45 <Arnia> Yeah
15:53:10 <Arnia> I want it to be more like the printed page, unless you're working with it directly
15:53:25 <Arnia> perhaps have inline editing too
15:53:41 <Arnia> And use jsMath rather than the current images :p
15:53:49 <sbp> that'd all be nice
15:54:02 <sbp> you could mock it up as a Greasemonkey thing, perhaps
15:54:12 <Arnia> yeah... or the equivalent for Safari
15:54:20 <Arnia> Since I really don't like using Firefox anymore
15:54:22 <sbp> quite
15:54:27 <sbp> yeah, I've been meaning to switch
15:54:36 <sbp> just can't... quite... bring myself... to... do it...
15:55:19 <Arnia> http://creammonkey.sourceforge.net/
15:55:44 <sbp> ah, nice
15:56:04 <kpreid> sbp: tell through the anti-aliasing: increase font size!
15:56:12 <sbp> ah! good idea
15:57:06 <sbp> #772233, #5a3696
15:57:12 <sbp> was slightly wrong on the visited colour
15:57:24 * sbp has the font size set to JUMBOTRON
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16:01:42 <kpreid> thunderstorm!
16:01:43 <Arnia> Guardian Unlimited has a new design
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16:09:10 <Arnia> Hm... wonder about using something like eRDF to sneak extra useful information into wikipedia
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16:39:27 * KragenSitaker reads the ample scrollback
16:45:51 <KragenSitaker> 08:36 < sbp> you don't hear about the Monster Raving Looney Party much these days
16:46:07 <KragenSitaker> i think it has been running into stiff competition from the mainstream parties
16:47:23 <sbp> that never seemed to hurt it in the past
16:47:43 <sbp> oh wait. heh, sorry, I follow now
16:47:43 <sbp> hehe
16:47:55 <sbp> <- slow omg
16:48:19 * sbp is baffling over WAIish concepts of what "content" is; or rather, why the heck anybody would argue over it
16:49:16 <sbp> I contrived the slightly stilted "Bytes with associated metadata such that it is, by specification, fit to be rendered in such a way as to impart information."
16:50:07 <sbp> oh wait, here was my better (i.e. more ridiculously verbose) wording: "Any sequence of bytes with associated metadata that causes it to be interpreted, by specification, as being fit to render for the purpose of conveying information."
16:51:15 <sbp> I suppose a more prototypicalist thing to do would be to point to the web and shout "CONTENT!"
16:51:27 <crschmidt> heh
16:51:28 <sbp> another way I put it was "anything which can be made more accessible", which I rather like
16:51:38 <sbp> content can always be made more accessible...
16:52:00 <sbp> also...
16:52:01 <sbp> [[[
16:52:02 <sbp> This is such a weird thing to argue about. It's like if there were a
16:52:02 <sbp> law passed against cruelty to dogs and someone abused a dog with three
16:52:02 <sbp> legs... "well, you didn't define 'dog' in the statute, so clearly I
16:52:02 <sbp> wasn't abusing a dog! Dogs have four legs!"
16:52:03 <sbp> ]]]
16:52:12 <KragenSitaker> 11:04 < sbp> has anyone in Britain ever really used "milliard" to denote
16:52:20 <sbp> 1,000,000,000
16:52:28 <sbp> I sure as crap haven't
16:52:38 <KragenSitaker> how many people actually talk about milliards of things? Other than economists.
16:52:51 <sbp> .gc "a milliard people"
16:52:53 <phenny> "a milliard people": 48
16:52:57 <KragenSitaker> the only use I've ever seen was in a Piet Hein grook, and he wasn't in Britain.
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16:53:04 <sbp> .gc "a billion people"
16:53:06 <phenny> "a billion people": 606,000
16:53:30 <sbp> what's the population of the planet? 6,000,000,000?
16:53:31 <Arnia> sbp: Content is any information which is interpreted by some agent for some purpose?
16:53:42 <crschmidt> sbp: 6 milliard or so
16:53:51 <sbp> heh, heh
16:53:53 <Arnia> sbp: Just go go back to horrible information theoretic terms
16:54:08 <sbp> so 10,000 * 48... about half a million people use "milliard"
16:54:17 <sbp> what's that the size of? the Isle of Man?
16:54:19 <sbp> might be the answer
16:54:39 <sbp> Arnia: hmm. doesn't sound Web 2.0 enough though
16:54:49 <sbp> "content is that which is peppered with Ajax"
16:55:08 <sbp> though I like the wideness of what you said
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16:55:22 <sbp> totally supersumes the web
16:55:28 <sbp> iratsu! yo. ltns
16:55:58 <iratsu> sbp: hello
16:56:06 <sbp> what's up?
16:56:34 <iratsu> not much; doing research this summer
16:57:09 <KragenSitaker> from the news.bbc article about the G8 summit: "Germany is suspending the visa-free travel arrangements of 13 EU member states negotiated under the Schengen agreement around the summit."
16:57:19 <sbp> ah. what're you researching? can you tell?
16:57:35 <KragenSitaker> can you really do that effectively? I had the understanding that you don't get a stamp in intra-Schengen travel
16:58:03 <iratsu> sbp: well it's not specific yet, but it's gonna be something in small-world networks or scale-free networks
16:58:19 <sbp> aha
16:58:44 <KragenSitaker> so it seems that once you snuck across the border into Germany, it would be too late to interfere with your movement. you could claim that you came in last month.
16:59:13 <sbp> snuck is such a great word
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17:00:36 <KragenSitaker> 11:45 < Arnia> Hm... almost tempted to do a new design for Wikipedia
17:00:39 <KragenSitaker> that would be awesome
17:00:55 <sbp> especially since he appears to be to blame for the current one
17:01:00 <sbp> it'd clear his name
17:01:34 <Arnia> just done a new logo for wikipedia
17:01:40 <Arnia> Although I'm not happy with it yet
17:01:42 <sbp> can we see it?
17:02:00 <sbp> encrypt it with a 32bit hex digit if you like
17:02:24 <KragenSitaker> sbp: maybe you should try a political definition
17:02:30 <Arnia> not yet... I'm really not happy with it yet
17:02:43 <sbp> "Content is that which we can tax."
17:02:46 <Arnia> sbp: do the definition as a Learian rhyme
17:02:50 <KragenSitaker> "content is a pejorative term used by web designers to describe any information not written by a web designer"
17:03:22 <bjoern_> Aren't those called Pixelnazis?
17:03:39 <KragenSitaker> "Content is any information that required thought to impart."
17:03:57 <KragenSitaker> "Content is a term used by the uncreative to demean the work of the creative."
17:04:29 <KragenSitaker> i got a strange SMS today
17:04:31 <sbp> "Hey diddle diddle, the cat did a piddle, and piddle that cat did bytes! The bytes were content, some old minds were bent, and the catnip mouse turned off the lights!"
17:04:52 <KragenSitaker> (One of the benefits of being outside the US: People text you.)
17:05:02 <Arnia> "Content is any information that confuses agents more"
17:05:06 <sbp> in Soviet Non-US, People Text You
17:05:16 <sbp> "Content is tnetnoC backwards
17:05:19 <sbp> ..."
17:05:19 <KragenSitaker> It said, "Por favor dios ayadame"
17:05:26 <Arnia> KragenSitaker: my mum is the expert of weird texts
17:05:30 <sbp> dye your avocado?
17:05:33 <KragenSitaker> which translates as "Please god halp me"
17:05:37 <sbp> ah
17:05:38 <Arnia> "Don't keep dwarves under the desk" is my favourite
17:05:41 <sbp> hehe
17:06:03 <KragenSitaker> I responded and said this wasn't God's number and I didn't think he had a cellular phone
17:06:17 <sbp> hehe
17:06:30 <sbp> I tried emailing the email address used in an RFC somewhere (I think) for God
17:06:34 <sbp> but it bounced :|
17:06:40 <KragenSitaker> as far as i can tell the message wasn't from anybody i know. i hope the sender is ok!
17:06:50 <sbp> it was a .mil address, what's more
17:07:30 <sbp> http://swhack.com/logs/2005-12-05#T03-05-54
17:07:50 <sbp> 03:05:54 <sbp> Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently:
17:07:50 <sbp> 03:05:54 <sbp> god@heaven.af.mil
17:08:12 <sbp> .g god@heaven.af.mil
17:08:14 <phenny> sbp: http://www.qmail.org/qmail-manual-html/man5/addresses.html
17:08:22 <sbp> aha, qmail manual
17:11:29 <Arnia> bbl
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17:12:21 <bjoern_> so if o.d. is for Of Defense, what's the G for?
17:12:35 <bjoern_> Perpaps it's a Gnucronym?
17:15:02 <bjoern_> hmm I can't pronounce Gnucronym
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17:15:43 <crschmidt> guh-new-cro-nym
17:15:46 <crschmidt> crow*
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17:21:42 <sbp> I call them recursonyms
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17:21:45 <Monty> hey jm3
17:21:46 <sbp> .gc recursonym
17:21:49 <phenny> recursonym: 6
17:21:49 <sbp> .gc recursonyms
17:21:52 <phenny> recursonyms: 1
17:22:25 <bjoern_> .gc recursonym -swhack
17:22:27 <phenny> recursonym -swhack: 2
17:22:35 <bjoern_> .g recursonym -swhack
17:22:37 <phenny> bjoern_: http://perlnomic.org/4/comments/chuck.DISCUSS_smarter_patchmaker
17:23:37 <sbp> ooh
17:25:10 <bjoern_> .wik PerlNomic
17:25:13 <phenny> Can't find anything in Wikipedia for "PerlNomic".
17:25:15 <bjoern_> .wik Perlnomic
17:25:18 <phenny> Can't find anything in Wikipedia for "Perlnomic".
17:25:21 <bjoern_> crazy shit
17:25:47 <bjoern_> .wik Nomic
17:25:49 <phenny> "Nomic is a game in which the rules of the game include mechanisms for the players to change those rules, usually through a system of democratic voting." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nomic
17:26:53 <perigrin> I vote that Nomic is no longer a game in which the rules of the game include mechanisms for the players to change the rules, usually through a system of democratic voting.
17:27:56 <bjoern_> so, it's a game where the ... unusually through voting?
17:29:31 <perigrin> .wik TMJ
17:29:33 <phenny> "TMJ stands for Temporomandibular joint." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TMJ
17:30:15 <bjoern_> i.e., bone stuff
17:32:17 <perigrin> darobin was asking in a channel that lacked a phenny
17:33:08 <bjoern_> silly darobin, phenny is on all the channels I'm on.
17:33:16 <darobin> phenny should be part of the IRC protocol
17:33:27 <darobin> as should twe
17:33:44 <darobin> bjoern_: yeah but I go some places you don't!
17:33:58 <bjoern_> well, just as I said,
17:34:02 <bjoern_> "SILLY!"
17:34:20 <sbp> yeah, silly
17:34:44 <darobin> no, it ain't!
17:34:46 <perigrin> darobin, actually the lack of phenny on MAGnet is because my kurobox dies.
17:34:48 <perigrin> er died.
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17:35:02 <darobin> #axkit-dahut isn't silly, it's an essential service!
17:35:09 <darobin> rofl
17:35:36 <sbp> it's not even on Freenode!
17:36:11 <perigrin> sbp, no it's on the better network ... irc.perl.org
17:36:12 <perigrin> :D
17:36:20 * perigrin hides behind dahut
17:36:21 <sbp> bad. take away toys
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17:42:27 <bjoern_> @translate german to english Halbwissen
17:42:28 <supybot> bjoern_: Smattering of knowledge
17:43:03 * sbp spreads a halbwissen on Monty
17:43:03 <Monty> i.e., bone stuff too, perhaps have inline editing too
17:43:40 <bjoern_> what's this with you englishpeople and creating horrendously long and complicated phrases for simple short words?
17:45:50 * bjoern_ notes btw that "a halbwissen" is much like "a knowledge"
17:46:16 <bjoern_> We should have weekly #swhack german lessons!
17:46:25 <sbp> halbwissen is a mass noun? aha!
17:46:27 <sbp> yeah, good idea
17:46:32 * sbp spreads halbwissen on Monty
17:46:32 <Monty> Since I created. what irony
17:46:53 <sbp> perhaps we should start with the essential phrases:
17:46:58 <sbp> "can I have a beer, please?"
17:47:04 <sbp> "what is your phone number?"
17:47:07 <sbp> "are those real?"
17:47:22 <bjoern_> "Sind die echt"?
17:47:44 <bjoern_> "Wie ist deine (Telefon-)Nummer?"
17:48:01 <bjoern_> "Kann/Darf ich ein Bier haben, bitte?"
17:48:13 <sbp> I take it you did those in reverse
17:48:19 <sbp> Monty: Wie ist deine (Telefon-)Nummer?
17:48:19 <Monty> ]]]
17:48:26 <sbp> I hate it when he does that
17:48:39 <sbp> he's messing with our minds (or she, given "deine")
17:49:48 <bjoern_> Ich hasse es, wenn er das tut/macht.
17:49:49 <sbp> bjoern_: what's the pluperfect form of the verb "fellate" auf Deutsch?
17:50:14 <bjoern_> well
17:50:43 <bjoern_> I'd have to look up "fellate" to be sure, and read up on what Wikipedia has to say about the Plusquamperfekt in german and english.
17:51:11 <sbp> e.g. "she had fellated him before supper. it gave the brussel sprouts a strange taste"
17:51:24 <sbp> er, I think. I suck at verb tenses anyway
17:51:35 <sbp> not to mention aspects. what idiot invented aspects?
17:52:39 <bjoern_> one of those spec creating people?
17:52:59 <bancus> I see "lech" a lot in porn.
17:53:08 <bancus> Rather, lechen I guess would be the infinitive.
17:53:22 <bjoern_> lecken?
17:53:24 <bancus> Maybe.
17:53:34 <bancus> I always translated it as lick, though.
17:53:36 <bjoern_> witness:
17:53:36 <bjoern_> @translate german to english lecken
17:53:40 <supybot> bjoern_: lick
17:54:00 <sbp> @translate english to german fellate
17:54:07 <supybot> sbp: fellate
17:54:13 <bancus> @translate german to english Leck mir die schwanz
17:54:15 <supybot> bancus: Leaking me the tail
17:54:19 <bancus> Heh!
17:54:28 <sbp> hahaha
17:54:39 <sbp> whoops, meant to say "ahahaha"
17:54:42 <sbp> similar effect, though
17:54:48 <bjoern_> Well there is no good equivalent in german
17:54:53 <bancus> @translate german to english Meine müsse ist heiß wie ein ofen.
17:54:55 <supybot> bancus: My müsse is heiß like a furnace.
17:54:59 <bancus> Heh.
17:55:00 <bjoern_> you would generally use blasen
17:55:03 <sbp> mmm...
17:55:05 <bjoern_> @translate german to english blasen
17:55:06 <supybot> bjoern_: blow
17:55:16 <sbp> awesome
17:55:23 <sbp> do you have "blasé" as a loanword?
17:55:31 <bancus> @translate german to english Meine müße ist heiß wie ein ofen.
17:55:32 <bjoern_> no.
17:55:33 <sbp> "das blasen wast blasé!"
17:55:33 <supybot> bancus: My müße is heiß like a furnace.
17:55:34 <sbp> shame
17:55:38 <bancus> Hm.
17:55:44 <bancus> @translate english to german hot
17:55:46 <supybot> bancus: heiß
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17:55:51 <Monty> yo madewokherd!
17:55:54 <bancus> What the hell.
17:56:08 <bancus> Oh, it's probably an encoding issue the other direction as well.
17:56:08 <bjoern_> Hell is heiss, yes.
17:56:09 <bancus> Sucky.
17:56:13 <sbp> @translate english to german some like it hot
17:56:14 <supybot> sbp: einige mögen es heiß
17:56:19 <sbp> mgen?
17:56:30 <bjoern_> BORKED CLIENT
17:56:38 <sbp> did it leave out an ö?
17:56:40 <bjoern_> it says moegen
17:56:42 <sbp> aha
17:56:54 <bancus> I see ö as well.
17:56:58 <bjoern_> the better translation would be "Manche moegen es heiss"
17:57:05 <bancus> Although, if you didn't see the first one, you probably didn't see mine.
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17:57:27 <bancus> @translate english to german My pussy is hot like an oven.
17:57:30 <supybot> bancus: Mein Pussy ist wie ein Ofen heiß.
17:57:38 <bancus> I'll kill you.
17:58:00 <bjoern_> The better translation would be "Meine Muschi ist heiss wie ein Ofen"
17:58:12 <bancus> Ah, it might have been muschi that I read.
17:58:25 <sbp> I didn't see the first one, but I did see yours
17:58:26 <bjoern_> what you have above is weird like "my pussy is like an oven hot"
17:58:27 * bancus is trying to remember the German he picked up reading european porn with translations is like six languages.
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17:58:45 <bancus> It was awesome for vocab building.
17:58:49 <sbp> Muschi?
17:58:51 <sbp> .gc muschi
17:58:52 <bancus> Of course, the vocab was in a particular area.
17:58:54 <phenny> muschi: 3,740,000
17:59:06 <sbp> .gc muschi -site:de
17:59:08 <phenny> muschi -site:de: 1,390,000
17:59:15 <sbp> cool, -site: works
17:59:20 <sbp> or, appears to
17:59:39 <bancus> I think the English of that particular line was like "My pussy is hotter than an oven"
18:00:10 <bjoern_> .wik Muschi
18:00:13 <phenny> "966 Muschi is a minor planet orbiting the Sun." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/966_Muschi
18:00:18 <bjoern_> hmm
18:00:23 <bancus> Heh!
18:00:33 <bancus> It'd be funnier if it were orbiting Uranus.
18:00:52 <sbp> bwahaha
18:01:09 <sbp> suddenly I have a favourite minor planet
18:01:13 <sbp> (except for Ceres)
18:01:18 <bancus> What about Xena?
18:01:26 <bancus> Or Eris?
18:01:33 <sbp> Eris can fucking get bent
18:01:36 <bancus> :-(
18:01:36 <sbp> it demoted Pluto
18:01:40 <bancus> It did not.
18:01:44 <bancus> It's not Eris' fault.
18:01:52 <sbp> Pluto was a planet until Eris was found!
18:02:03 <bancus> That's hardly Eris' fault.
18:02:12 <bancus> So some astronomers just couldn't handle Eris as a planet.
18:02:18 <bancus> Blame the astronomers.
18:02:25 <sbp> yeah, I guess so...
18:02:43 <sbp> the astronomers were pretty silly
18:02:46 <bancus> It's like when you're a kid and this other kid wants a toy that you're playing with.
18:02:57 <bancus> Then you fight over it, and an adult takes the toy away from both of you.
18:03:03 <sbp> bloody adult
18:03:07 <bancus> Yeah, the other kid's a dick, but the parent didn't have to take it away from both.
18:03:13 <bancus> The kids should get together and kill the adult.
18:03:21 <sbp> hmm, I like where this is going
18:03:32 <sbp> so we should revolt against the astronomers?
18:03:44 <bancus> I wonder how big of an explosion Pluto and Eris would.... yeah, that's what I'm saying.
18:03:50 * bancus whistles innocently.
18:06:34 <bjoern_> @translate german to english plurale tantum
18:06:36 <supybot> bjoern_: plurale tantum
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18:06:54 <bjoern_> that's the term I learned for what you called "mass noun" I think
18:07:09 <bjoern_> something that's always plural
18:07:45 <bjoern_> .wik Plurale tantum
18:07:47 <phenny> "A plurale tantum (plural: pluralia tantum) is a noun that appears only in the plural form and does not have a singular variant, though it may still refer to one or many of the objects it names." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plurale_tantum
18:08:36 <bjoern_> or not!
18:08:46 <sbp> yeah, not
18:08:56 <bjoern_> "Mass noun" does not have a .de wikipedia article...
18:09:01 <bjoern_> in fact, it's english only
18:09:04 <sbp> weird
18:09:35 <sbp> it's the difference between "I spread butter on my bread" and "I spread a rotten gherkin on my bread"
18:09:51 <sbp> generally the lack of an article means: mass noun
18:10:31 <bjoern_> clearly though wissen and knowledge are pluralia tantum?
18:10:47 <bjoern_> hmm
18:10:49 <sbp> nope, knowledge isn't plural
18:10:50 <bjoern_> Wissen is
18:10:54 <bjoern_> right
18:11:15 <sbp> I'm not sure if there are any plural mass nouns... I don't think there are
18:11:20 <sbp> in English, of course
18:11:45 <sbp> yeah, I don't think it's possible
18:13:14 <bjoern_> so knowledge would be a singulare tantum?
18:14:28 <bjoern_> '''Singulare tantum is defined by the Shorter Oxford English Dictionary as: "Gram. A word having only a singular form; esp. a non-count noun."[1] In the English language, such words are almost always uncountable nouns.'''
18:16:19 * bjoern_ 's head spins considering whether mass noun, non-count noun, and uncountable noun are the same thing...
18:16:41 <bjoern_> they are!
18:16:58 <sbp> yeah
18:17:15 <sbp> that is, yeah, knowledge is a singulare tantum
18:18:34 <bjoern_> I wonder what it suggests that english regards knowledge as singular while german as plural.
18:18:58 <bjoern_> .ety wisdom
18:19:00 <phenny> "O.E. wisdom, from wis (see wise (adj.)) + -dom." - http://etymonline.com/?term=wisdom
18:19:09 <bjoern_> .ety wise
18:19:12 <phenny> "'way of proceeding, manner,' O.E. wise, ultimately from the same source as wise (adj.)." - http://etymonline.com/?term=wise
18:19:19 <sbp> probably that knowledge is romance
18:19:19 <sbp> heh
18:19:30 <sbp> .ety knowledge
18:19:32 <phenny> "M.E. cnawlece." - http://etymonline.com/?term=knowledge
18:19:50 <bjoern_> .gc cnawlece
18:19:56 <phenny> cnawlece: 14,400
18:19:58 <sbp> ah, interesting, -ledge is of unknown etymology!
18:20:10 <sbp> "Second element obscure, perhaps cognate with the -lock "action, process," found in wedlock."
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18:29:47 <sbp> wow, -lác is awesome
18:40:28 <sbp> oh man. I just found out that Thomas Nashe was the first person to use the word "dildo"
18:41:28 <bjoern_> .wik Thomas Nashe
18:41:31 <phenny> "Thomas Nashe (November 1567–1601) was an English Elizabethan pamphleteer, poet and satirist." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Nashe
18:41:40 <sbp> and probably my favourite writer
18:50:29 <sbp> in fact, the first five users of "dildo" are: Nashe, Florio, Jonson, Shakespeare, and Middleton
18:50:35 <sbp> that's an *illustrious* bunch
18:51:19 <sbp> funny how often Florio features in such patterns, too. one of Southampton's circle; I really wonder if they all knew one another quite well
18:51:33 <bjoern_> what did they call it before calling it dildo?
18:51:35 <sbp> especially with the possibly Shakespearean Florio sonnet
18:51:42 <sbp> good question. dunno!
18:51:59 <sbp> I like how the OED definition is:
18:52:01 <sbp> "a. A word of obscure origin, used in the refrains of ballads."
18:52:13 <sbp> and then underneath, in small type...
18:52:15 <sbp> "Also, a name of the penis or phallus, or a figure thereof; spec. an artificial penis used for female gratification"
18:52:39 <bjoern_> .wik Dildo, Newfoundland and Labrador
18:52:41 <phenny> "Dildo is a town on the southeastern Dildo Arm of Trinity Bay on the island of Newfoundland, Newfoundland and Labrador, Canada." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dildo,_Newfoundland_and_Labrador
18:52:42 <sbp> but it's clear from all the early uses that the word meant the small type thing from the beginning
18:52:51 <sbp> heh, yeah, I've heard of that
18:53:36 <bjoern_> de wik says it's from it Diletto
18:53:39 <sbp> "1785 GROSE Dict. Vulgar T. s.v., Dildoes are made of wax, horn, leather, and diverse other substances"
18:53:46 <sbp> diletto? where's that from? Italian?
18:53:57 <bjoern_> "it", yes
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18:54:06 <sbp> but Florio's quote is...
18:54:08 <sbp> "1598 FLORIO Worlde of Wordes 261/3 Pastinaca muranese, a dildoe of glasse."
18:54:23 <sbp> he did (one of the?) first Italian dictionary(/-ies)
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18:54:40 <sbp> heh
18:55:20 <bjoern_> Are we scaring people off with all the se^W language talk?
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18:55:42 <sbp> "1785 GROSE Dict. Vulgar T. s.v., Dildoes are made of wax, horn, leather, and diverse other substances."
18:55:50 <sbp> I wonder if that's from whence "to get the horn"?
18:55:53 <sbp> yo danja
18:55:57 <sbp> and yeah...
18:56:07 <sbp> <kwijibo> . o O { ! }
18:56:17 <bjoern_> @translate german to english entzuecken
18:56:18 <supybot> bjoern_: entzuecken
18:56:22 <bjoern_> hrm
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18:56:43 <Monty> yo JimJibber!
18:57:19 <bjoern_> leo.org says delight, enchantment, rapture, ravishment, captivate, charm, enravish
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18:57:29 <sbp> why do you mention it?
18:57:40 <bjoern_> it's what de wik has for .it "Diletto"
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18:57:47 <sbp> ah. ha!
18:58:20 <bjoern_> phenny, "Alcuni dei contenuti di questa pagina potrebbero disturbare la sensibilita di chi legge."?
18:58:24 <phenny> bjoern_: "Some of the contents of this page could disturb the sensibilita one ofwho law." (it)
18:58:34 <sbp> OMG
18:58:46 <sbp> DON'T DISTURB THE SENSIBILITA OF ONE WHO LAW!
18:59:06 <bjoern_> (from the it wik dildo page)
18:59:15 <sbp> awesome
19:00:06 <bjoern_> it quotes "The maids Complaint for want of a Dil Doul"
19:00:28 <bjoern_> phenny, "La parola dildo e probabilmente una storpiatura dell'italiano diletto"?
19:00:31 <phenny> bjoern_: "The word dildo and probably one storpiatura of the Italian delight" (it)
19:01:00 <bjoern_> phenny, "La parola potrebbe anche derivare dall'inglese 'Dil Doul', un'espressione - che significa pene eretto - utilizzata in una vecchia canzone intitolata "?
19:01:03 <phenny> bjoern_: "The word could also derive from English ' Dil Doul', an expression -that it means pains erected - used in one old entitled song" (it)
19:01:17 <bjoern_> ... then the phrase above
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19:03:57 <bjoern_> http://emc.english.ucsb.edu/ballad_project/large_detail.asp?id=21716
19:04:37 <bjoern_> none of which however and sadly explains what's been used before dildo.
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19:09:59 <sbp> that's hilarious
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19:10:01 <sbp> hmm, no date
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19:11:59 <sbp> still can't find the date. I'll look up the printers
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19:14:07 <sbp> "The English version of this ballad, Lord Thomas and Fair Ellinor, given, with alterations, in Percy's Reliques, III, 82, 1765, is a broadside of Charles the Second's time, printed for I. Clarke, W. Thackeray, and T. Passenger, and licensed by L'Estrange, who was censor from 1663 to 1685. This copy has become traditional in Scotland and Ireland." - http://www.folkinfo.org/songs/displaysong.php?songid=159
19:14:19 <sbp> so not much older than Pepys. probably third quarter of the 17th century
19:14:28 <sbp> Nashe was writing in the late 16th century
19:15:00 <sbp> all the earliest uses are like the modern one
19:15:07 <sbp> but if it came from that select circle...
19:15:20 <sbp> it's possible there was some modification before they received it
19:20:02 * sbp sends an email entitled "Dildoes and Superstitions" to WL...
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19:26:09 <bpt> sbp: WL?
19:26:34 <bjoern_> .wik WL
19:26:37 <phenny> "Wanderlust (software), a communications package for Emacs that handles email and news." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WL
19:26:55 <bjoern_> OMG BROWN LINKS !!!!!!
19:28:59 <bpt> .ety argot
19:29:01 <phenny> "1860, from Fr. argot (17c.) 'the jargon of Paris rogues and thieves,' earlier 'the company of beggars,' from M.Fr., 'group of beggars,' origin unknown." - http://etymonline.com/?term=argot
19:29:08 <bpt> .ety jargon
19:29:10 <phenny> "1340, 'unintelligible talk, gibberish,' from O.Fr. jargon 'a chattering' (of birds), ultimately of echoic origin (cf. L. garrire 'to chatter,' Eng. gargle)." - http://etymonline.com/?term=jargon
19:31:54 <perigrin> .ety entymology
19:31:56 <phenny> Can't find the etymology for "entymology". Try http://etymonline.com/?search=entymology
19:32:07 <perigrin> .ety etymology
19:32:10 <phenny> "1398, from Gk. etymologia, from etymon 'true sense' (neut. of etymos 'true,' related to eteos 'true') + logos 'word.' In classical times, of meanings; later, of histories." - http://etymonline.com/?term=etymology
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19:36:08 <sbp> bpt: William Loughborough
19:37:28 <sbp> AHA! bjoern_ has the brown links!
19:37:29 <jsled> Attention everyone. Do not follow the brown links.
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19:37:47 <Monty> But what does martianc1de have to do with the price of fish?
19:37:49 <phenny> Hush there, Monty.
19:37:52 <Monty> Ah, it might be made more prototypicalist thing from O.Fr. jargon
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19:53:27 <sbp> the brown links got 'im
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20:08:22 <Arnia> "KFC's lawyers were first alerted to the use of the phrase by the pub, which stands 1,700 feet (520m) above sea level, after finding a reference to it on the inn's website." -- http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/north_yorkshire/6644177.stm
20:08:34 <Arnia> and the relevance of the elevation is?
20:11:27 <bancus> Damn low-landers.
20:11:37 <bancus> Bunch of lying sons of bitches.
20:11:52 <Arnia> ...
20:11:54 * Arnia hides
20:12:14 <bancus> Actually, I guess in the UK 1700 feet is the highlanders.
20:12:42 <Arnia> we're a hilly country, but they're lowlying hills :p
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20:16:13 <bancus> For some reason, the wikipedia page for the city I live in has no elevation.
20:17:00 <bancus> Hm.
20:17:03 <bancus> I guess that's a common lack.
20:17:04 <bancus> WTF
20:17:56 <bancus> Different websites claim anywhere from 1100 to 1450
20:18:08 <bancus> But we're pretty flat.
20:18:50 <Arnia> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Durham
20:19:13 <bancus> I have a friend with that as a last name.
20:23:31 <Arnia> The article is shorter but a lot more interesting now
20:27:24 <Arnia> Hehehe 'The Society's patron, St Cuthbert, continues to be remembered annually, if somewhat incongruously for an ascetic, in 'The Feast', a traditionally uproarious, members-only banquet held on or near St Cuthbert's feast day on 20 March.'
20:27:49 <Arnia> Sorry, I'd completely missed the incongruity of us having a Feast :p
20:27:59 <Arnia> "Another, summer-based, event is 'Cuth's Day'. This includes entertainment conducted on, off and in the River Wear - which curls around the foot of the Society's gardens - live music, and a day-long garden party. In both its baccanalian spirit and aquatic activity it resembles in spirit, if not antiquity, the May Morning revels of Magdalen College, Oxford."
20:29:22 <Arnia> -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Cuthbert%27s_Society
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21:43:13 <Monty> Speak of the devil, it's tonybaloney!
21:43:55 * bancus blinks.
21:44:06 <bancus> #linguistics transplant?
21:44:46 <tonybaloney> bancus: i actually knew about this channel before i knew about #linguistics, interestingly
21:44:55 <bancus> But were you a regular?
21:45:04 <bancus> I don't remember you being here.
21:45:07 <bancus> And I've been here for years.
21:45:27 <tonybaloney> i'm semi-regular, though i only occasionally pop into discussion
21:45:30 <Tene> But do you remember *me* being here?
21:45:45 <bancus> Yeah.
21:45:54 <bancus> and kpreid and jcowan
21:46:16 <bancus> All the ones who confuse the shit out of me when they start talking about things and I get confused about which chan I'm in.
21:46:34 <tonybaloney> hehe
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21:47:23 * Tene makes a note to speak in lojban in #linguistics more often. ;)
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21:49:20 <KragenSitaker> EFF sues Uri Geller: http://www.eff.org/news/archives/2007_05.php#005244
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22:12:04 <laplink> Has there been some kind of election over in .uk?
22:12:48 * laplink sees reference to Blair speeches and people resigning from something or other in the logs...
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22:13:25 <jsled> yeah, there was voting a few days ago.
22:13:48 <jsled> At the end of last week, I think.
22:13:53 <Arnia> But he was going to resign anyway
22:13:58 <jsled> Though Blair's been on the way out for a long time, yeah.
22:14:22 <laplink> Handed his hat, or the normal periodical elections?
22:14:56 <Arnia> That he was going to announce his resignation today (unprecedented) ahead of his departure date and before the term of the parliament was announced a week ago before the elections
22:15:21 <Arnia> laplink: he's resigning from front-line politics
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22:15:40 <Arnia> And effectively handing over to Brown (who is almost certain to get the leadership of the party)
22:16:00 <laplink> Ah, so someone offered him a cushy job in the lobby industry.
22:16:22 <Arnia> hardly... lobbying is a dying thing here
22:16:30 <deltab> jsled: 952 days, apparently
22:16:37 <Arnia> (what with the past ten years of scandals)
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22:16:58 <laplink> No draconian DRM or anti-citizen laws left to pass?
22:17:02 <Arnia> No one really knows what he's going to do though... I'm just glad he is leaving
22:17:18 <Arnia> laplink: the anti-citizen laws were mostly lobbied *against*
22:17:51 <Arnia> And with regards DRM... not much has changed in the past decade
22:18:15 <Arnia> We still have the principle that the illegality is making the copy, not holding the copy
22:18:33 <Arnia> Which a friend of mine (a media lawyer) loves using when he visits Nigeria and other places
22:18:37 <laplink> Are you actually suggesting that the British parliamentary system works as intended?
22:18:41 <Arnia> Customs get annoyed
22:18:54 <Arnia> laplink: there is no intention so that's a non-question
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22:19:24 <Arnia> Blair has, in his time as prime minister, done the most to undermine the stability and safety of the parliamentary system
22:19:31 <Arnia> And I loathe him for it
22:20:36 <Arnia> He has marginalised the Lords, instigated poorly thought out devolution, promoted corruption and a horrible presidential style governance instead of the first-amongst-equals cabinet independence and collective responsibility
22:20:56 <Arnia> He has dominated the civil service and he's tinkered with everything he could get away with
22:21:01 <Arnia> Why would I support that?
22:21:21 <Arnia> Especially given how conservative I am, and thus loathe to making rash changes to systems
22:21:30 <laplink> heh heh
22:21:44 * Arnia will not remember Blair fondly
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22:46:35 <Monty> bah, it's perigrin again
22:47:41 <perigrin> Monty, hush.
22:47:42 <Monty> can you don't!
22:47:54 <perigrin> Monty, can I do!
22:47:55 <Monty> oh man. I sure if they are!
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23:03:32 <deltab> 10/05/2007 23:50-02:00 The Legend of 1900
23:03:32 <deltab> 11/05/2007 02:00-04:00 BBC Learning Zone: Schools:The Animated Canterbury Tales in Middle English
23:03:43 <bancus> :o
23:03:54 <bancus> I need to get a download of that.
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