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00:52:10 <deltab> sbp: repeat of The Culture Show on now
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01:02:15 <Monty> howdy, JibbyBot
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01:34:20 <Monty> bah, it's tonybaloney again
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01:39:46 <perigrin> bah, it's monty again
01:39:47 <Monty> Right...
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02:55:10 <tokyo25> serbia won erovision
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03:10:36 <deltab> sounds like a porn parody: Erovision Snog Contest
03:10:54 <deltab> would serbia win that, though?
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03:12:37 <Monty> bah, it's kpreid again
03:16:37 <kpreid> bah, it's netsplit·Monty again
03:16:38 <Monty> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zasPlQYZEHw
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03:20:29 <Monty> bah, it's nsh_ again
03:20:30 <Monty> hi Mike_L
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03:20:51 <Monty> lo AeroLeviathan
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03:20:57 <Monty> Speak of the devil, it's teddybot!
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03:21:01 <Monty> Speak of the devil, it's jsled!
03:21:04 <AeroLeviathan> hi Monty
03:21:04 <teddybot> Are you sure?
03:21:04 <Monty> night
03:21:15 <AeroLeviathan> oh, monty's a bot
03:21:16 <Monty> phonphiliac: nevermind ;)
03:21:18 <AeroLeviathan> i'm talking to a bot :(
03:21:37 <AeroLeviathan> monty, what else can you do?
03:21:37 <Monty> morn
03:21:59 <AeroLeviathan> i see, so it's you who makes the sun rise each day.
03:22:07 <AeroLeviathan> well, thank you for morning.
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06:02:08 <KragenSitaker> hi emeka
06:02:12 <Emeka> hi KragenSitaker
06:02:17 <KragenSitaker> hi emeka
06:02:20 <Emeka> hi KragenSitaker
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06:51:49 <bjoern_> hrr, more google goodness http://technology.guardian.co.uk/news/story/0,,2078061,00.html
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07:46:53 <cre8radix> morning
08:11:14 <sbp> yo
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08:14:42 <dmiles_afk> jllykifsh
08:14:44 <jllykifsh> hi dmiles_afk I will answer you in #swhack until you say "goodbye"
08:14:57 <dmiles_afk> i am showing that you might work
08:15:03 <jllykifsh> words([I, am, showing, that, you, might, work])
08:15:11 <dmiles_afk> i guess your not
08:15:30 <jllykifsh> assert(and(isaAction(?guess4, #$Verb(V00427776)), #$doneBy(?guess4, ?Speaker), #$constituentInSituation(?guess4, ref(#$Your-TheWord)), and(true, ?guess4, #$eventOccursAt(?guess4, thingFor([not])))))
08:15:47 <dmiles_afk> not is not a place
08:15:52 <jllykifsh> command(and_adverbal(?is10, #$not, and(isaAction(?is10, #$Verb(#$Be-TheWord)), #$doneBy(?is10, ?TargetAgent), #$constituentInSituation(?is10, thingFor([not, a, place])), true)))
08:16:37 <dmiles_afk> after i sleep you can use the updated version
08:16:51 <jllykifsh> command(and_concat(((each(#$after(?TargetAgent, ?Speaker), each(#$after(?TargetAgent, ?sleep1), each(#$after(?TargetAgent, ?TargetAgent), each(#$after(?TargetAgent, ?can1), each(#$after(?TargetAgent, ?use4), #$after(?TargetAgent, thingFor([updated, version])))))))and isaMember(?sleep1, #$Sleeping))and isaMember(?can1, #$PreservingFood))and isaMember(?use4, #$usesObject)))
08:17:20 <dmiles_afk> goodbye
08:20:01 <bjoern_> hi sbp I will answer you in #swhack until you say "goodbye"
08:20:05 <dmiles_afk> you cant hear me no more, correct?
08:20:18 <bjoern_> I can hear you.
08:20:35 <dmiles_afk> :)
08:24:46 <dmiles_afk> this is the code for it http://opencyc.cvs.sourceforge.net/opencyc/swi_interface/english_parser/e2c.pl?revision=1.3&view=markup is anyone wants to see why it does/doesnt get somethng
08:24:55 <dmiles_afk> (prolog)_
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08:32:17 <bjoern_> It's darobin!
08:32:57 <bjoern_> I hear the french couldn't beat the brits at eurovision this year...
08:40:45 <sbp> 'The penultimate pudding was definitely the technical summit of the meal. It was called "Stiffy Tacky Pudding". Each blob had to be eaten in sequence from left to right, chewing as we went, and not swallowing until they were all in. They were each a different component from sticky toffee pudding, some solid, some liquid, encased in a transparent gel, so they could be picked up by hand. This was flabbergastingly futuristic, like something from 2001 (the movie, not
08:40:45 <sbp> the year).' - http://howithappened.com/2007/05/underground-menu-at-lenclume.html
08:40:49 <sbp> yo bjoern_!
08:50:32 <sbp> "At times, their routine resembled liturgical dancing. At others, it seemed to be a slow-motion lesbian porn film." - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/6650681.stm
08:51:23 <KragenSitaker> hi emeka
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08:51:25 <Emeka> hi KragenSitaker
08:51:27 <KragenSitaker> hi emeka
08:51:29 <Emeka> hi KragenSitaker
08:51:32 <bjoern_> http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio2/eurovision/2007/ still claims you got 29p...
08:56:47 <dmiles_afk> jllykifsh, did you break your pipe?
08:57:23 <dmiles_afk> jllykifsh, did you break your pipe?
08:57:31 <jllykifsh> query(can(and(ownedBy(?Thing17, #$Your-TheWord), isa(?Thing17, ?pipe4), (each(#$doneBy(?TargetAgent, ?TargetAgent), each(#$doneBy(?TargetAgent, ?break5), #$doneBy(?TargetAgent, ?Thing17)))and isaMember(?break5, #$SeparationEvent))and isaMember(?pipe4, #$Pipe-GenericConduit))))
08:58:52 <sbp> if we want 29 points I think we should be allowed it
08:58:57 <sbp> after all, we do pay for the competition
09:01:34 <bjoern_> perhaps you should pay the voters, not the competitors.
09:02:21 <bjoern_> Next year will be tough, with points only from Malta. Ireland won't forget you gave them no point at all.
09:02:22 <sbp> Germany pay too, don't forget!
09:02:29 <sbp> yeah
09:02:38 <sbp> but Ireland really did suck
09:02:53 <sbp> and actually, when you think about it, they probably did it on purpose so they don't have to host
09:03:00 <sbp> it's not like there aren't people in Ireland that can sing
09:03:16 <sbp> and yet they somehow managed to pick one completely incapable of that task
09:03:31 <bjoern_> I think we've been last most often, our pay pays off!
09:03:53 <sbp> they should ban voting for contiguous countries...
09:04:05 <sbp> it wouldn't stop all that bloc voting, but probably about half
09:04:15 <sbp> more than half, maybe
09:05:03 <sbp> Germany needs to go back to country and western next year
09:05:11 <sbp> I thought the big band thing was actually okay though
09:05:22 <sbp> oh, and what on earth happened to your connection?
09:05:40 <sbp> all that build up and then you missed all of the singers!
09:06:03 <bjoern_> I had an urgend appointment involving girls!
09:06:10 <bjoern_> d? t!
09:06:36 <sbp> priority interrupt? but still... Eurovision!
09:06:55 <sbp> girls happen all year round, but Eurovision is only one night per annum!
09:07:15 <sbp> that should be its slogan next year
09:07:36 <bjoern_> I suggested we try sending Kraftwerk, or Rammstein, or H-Blockx or anyone with a chance of winning
09:08:11 <sbp> you should try using British dancers. almost worked for Turkey
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09:08:34 <bjoern_> .wik Ralph Siegel
09:08:37 <phenny> "Ralph Siegel (born 30 September 1945 in Munich) is a German musician, composer and producer." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralph_Siegel
09:08:41 <bjoern_> is behind most of our submissions
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09:10:29 <sbp> you should write to him
09:10:41 <bjoern_> "drop dead"?
09:11:13 <JibberJim> Yesterdays was good
09:11:42 <JibberJim> I've been thinking about regional voting
09:11:58 <bjoern_> The BBC panel said ours is best!
09:12:14 <JibberJim> so you can only get 1 or 2 countries through from each region
09:12:26 <JibberJim> and then in the final the region can't vote for themselves
09:12:52 <sbp> huh. "Kirsty Young has enjoyed record success with long-running Radio 4 show Desert Island Discs, according to the figures." - http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/pages/live/articles/showbiz/showbiznews.html?in_article_id=453930&in_page_id=1773
09:12:59 <sbp> -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirsty_Young
09:13:17 <sbp> where I find "In November 2003, she guest-presented an edition of Have I Got News For You to critical acclaim, despite not being a comedian. She has, in total, guest-presented five times."
09:13:33 <sbp> which is odd. I can't remember seeing her present it, and on Friday she was *terrible*
09:13:56 <JibberJim> I can remember her before
09:13:59 <bjoern_> who was that barbie figure anyway?
09:13:59 <JibberJim> she was never good
09:14:06 <JibberJim> don't trust wikipedia!
09:14:21 <JibberJim> now Aqua could've won Eurovision
09:14:58 <sbp> yeah, I should edit it saying that her fifth (or maybe sixth) appearance was bollocks
09:15:13 <sbp> can't remember the barbie figure's name...
09:15:19 <JibberJim> Krisse or something
09:15:49 <sbp> ah: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krisse_Salminen
09:16:02 <JibberJim> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krisse_Salminen
09:16:05 <JibberJim> heh
09:16:05 <sbp> "Krisse Salminen (born Heidi Kristiina Salminen 28 May 1976 in Hollola, Finland) is a Finnish stand-up comedian and television talkshow hostess. She is the daughter of gameshow host Reijo Salminen. Her schtick is to present herself as a girly girl cow-eyed and raised nose blonde, speaking with an exaggerated urban Helsinki style nasal intonation."
09:16:21 <JibberJim> - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_stand-up_comedians took me too long to open
09:16:34 <sbp> "girly girl cow-eyed and raised nose blonde" is great
09:16:45 <JibberJim> that is a terrible list of stand up comedians
09:16:54 <sbp> you have to say that she's the unfunniest comedienne ever though
09:17:15 <sbp> hey, it has Richard Herring on it. what more do you want?
09:18:14 <JibberJim> well, it just seems a strange list
09:18:21 <JibberJim> yes having Herring on it is good
09:26:52 <bjoern_> .gc "Burger-eating invasion monkeys"
09:26:55 <phenny> "Burger-eating invasion monkeys": 187
09:29:37 <sbp> hehe
09:30:07 <dmiles_afk> .gc "commander guy"
09:30:10 <phenny> "commander guy": 475,000
09:30:21 <dmiles_afk> .gc "i am the commander guy"
09:30:22 <phenny> "i am the commander guy": 477
09:31:17 <dmiles_afk> jllykifsh, i am the commander guy
09:31:41 <jllykifsh> assert(and(isaAction(?am12, #$Verb(#$Be-TheWord)), #$doneBy(?am12, ?Speaker), #$constituentInSituation(?am12, ?commander4), and(true and isaMember(?commander4, #$Ordering-CommunicationAct), ?am12 and isaMember(?guy4, #$MalePerson), #$eventOccursAt(?am12, ?guy4))))
09:33:05 <dmiles_afk> jllykifsh, you are the burger eating invasion monkey
09:33:15 <jllykifsh> assert(and(isaAction(?are3, #$Verb(#$Be-TheWord)), #$doneBy(?are3, ?TargetAgent), #$constituentInSituation(?are3, thingFor([burger, eating, invasion, monkey])), true))
09:34:26 <JibberJim> "that bizarre girl in the pink dress backstage", "she won't work again"
09:35:36 <bjoern_> url?
09:36:26 <JibberJim> nah, that was on "something for the weekend" - bbc2 tv show on right now
09:36:42 <bjoern_> aye
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09:59:42 <KragenSitaker> jllykifsh: how old is your cat?
09:59:49 <jllykifsh> words([jllykifsh:, how, old, is, your, cat, ?])
10:00:26 <dmiles_afk> jllykifsh : how old is your cat?
10:00:33 <jllykifsh> words([how, old, is, your, cat, ?])
10:01:05 <dmiles_afk> hrrm :*
10:01:26 <sbp> jllykifsh: 'Twas the night before Christmas and all through the house, not a dude-let was stirring--not even a.
10:01:35 <jllykifsh> words([jllykifsh:, ', Twas, the, night, before, Christmas, and, all, through, the, house, (,), not, a, dude-let, was, stirring--not, even, a, .])
10:02:24 <sbp> ooh, Countryfile
10:02:46 <MoiraA> morning
10:02:50 <sbp> yo Moira!
10:03:05 <dmiles_afk> i just reloaded the parser to use the live KB about.. but not sure whats still working
10:03:14 <dmiles_afk> about 5 minutes ago
10:04:34 <dmiles_afk> jllykifsh, your cat is 5 minutes old
10:05:31 <dmiles_afk> jllykifsh, your cat is 5 moments old
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10:12:00 <sbp> ugh, unsympathetic architecture
10:18:11 <sbp> heh. "land isn't being made anymore"
10:19:28 <bjoern_> In .de we probably lose land in fact.
10:19:38 <sbp> the cattle eat it?
10:19:47 <bjoern_> the north sea does
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10:20:31 <sbp> ah. wonder where it dumps it?
10:21:02 <bjoern_> I do!
10:21:27 <bjoern_> With rising sea levels the answer is probably not very interesting though.
10:22:49 <sbp> huh, willow as fuel
10:22:52 <sbp> big willow forests
10:23:46 <bjoern_> .wik Dwarf Willow
10:23:48 <phenny> "The Dwarf Willow (Salix herbacea, also known as the Least Willow or Snowbed Willow) is the most common of a group of tiny creeping willows (family Salicaceae)." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dwarf_Willow
10:23:57 <sbp> little willow forests
10:25:13 <bjoern_> The german name is Weide. We use the same word for pasture.
10:25:23 <sbp> hmm!
10:37:26 <xover> .gc "Penultimate Pudding"
10:37:28 <phenny> "Penultimate Pudding": 3
10:37:41 <xover> Sounds like something out of a Terry Pratchett book...
10:39:04 <xover> .gc "High Strung Windows"
10:39:06 <phenny> "High Strung Windows": 0
10:39:14 <xover> Hmm. Odd.
10:39:33 <bjoern_> .g Penultimate Pudding
10:39:36 <phenny> bjoern_: http://howithappened.com/2007/05/underground-menu-at-lenclume.html
10:39:55 <xover> I have two Windows boxes that periodically will refuse to speak with one another.
10:40:41 <xover> Everyone else is fine, either box can speak to any other box; they just won't speak to eachother.
10:40:45 <bjoern_> One is a Girl Windows box, the other a Boy Windows box?
10:41:15 <xover> After introducing a third box, the two will periodically refuse to speak to it too.
10:41:37 <xover> Must be. Or a charaicatured gay couple.
10:41:59 <bjoern_> That's not unusual for triangle relationships.
10:42:37 <xover> I wonder if crschmidt has worked as a `doze sysadmin... :-)
10:43:32 <bjoern_> I organized a bunch of LAN parties, with predominantly 95/98 boxes.
10:43:44 <bjoern_> We always had at least one which just wouldn't connect.
10:43:58 <bjoern_> Only solution ever found was wiping windows and reinstalling.
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10:44:48 <xover> Tried it. Several times in fact. That's what I did all day yesterday. “Fun fun fun”.
10:44:58 <xover> Oh, and whenever someone tells you that “Email is not a critical application”; tell `im to sod off and die!
10:46:26 <xover> Our SAN crashed a few years back, leaving patient record and x-ray systems etc. etc. dead, and everyone was all calm and constructive and let us work on the problem in peace.
10:47:18 <xover> Now the email system for the IT dept. is acting up (not dead, just unstable) and we have people hanging over our shoulders, calling every five minutes, and complaining to the boss.
10:49:04 <xover> Oh, and the Microsoft Exchange BU's QA and documentation teams need to be shot.
10:51:58 <bjoern_> My favourite was Win98SE, which, if you installed it over MS-DOS 6.22, would self-destruct if you tried to boot using the previous installed dos, using its own boot manager. After re-installing everything the 9th or so time we gave up on dual booting, and I never went near any 98se ever again.
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10:58:51 <xover> Yeah, 98SE was... interesting.
11:00:41 <xover> I think I actually preferred GEM Desktop <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GEM_Desktop> to any version of Windows prior to XP.
11:04:13 <bjoern_> I switched from DOS to NT 3.51, then NT 4 shortly after. NT4 was great.
11:04:33 <bjoern_> I usually had some 9x windows for games around, but didn't use it much.
11:04:41 <xover> Oh yes. Particularly when you went from 3.51 to 4. A world of difference.
11:05:13 <xover> I think NT4 was the first `doze I actually considered capable of functioning on a network.
11:05:34 <bjoern_> I then went NT 5 and am now on NT 5.2 (2003); my notebook had xp pre-installed;
11:05:50 <bjoern_> a week after I got the notebook, xp killed the hard drive, 99% dead sectors.
11:05:55 <xover> heh heh
11:06:11 <bjoern_> then got a new one, first thing I did was get rid of xp once and for all. never looked back!
11:06:27 <xover> I'm actually running Vista on most of my personal boxes.
11:06:52 <xover> The only one actually capable of dealing with that beast is the Macbook Pro.
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11:08:03 * bjoern_ thinks he'll go open source with the next os upgrade.
11:08:09 <bjoern_> I don't see myself on Vista really.
11:08:18 <xover> Oh, btw, and the only real reason I found — after much dithering — for switching to Vista... was the new Remote Desktop version that supports dual display setups.
11:09:27 <bjoern_> Yeah, since they decided to backport .NET 3.0 and stuff to XP/2003, there isn't much in Vista.
11:10:19 <xover> And good god but their “GUI Designers” need badly to acquire some taste.
11:10:31 <xover> The fancy new theme is just hideous.
11:10:59 <bjoern_> my GUI hasn't changed since nt4...
11:11:20 <xover> Even the aqua gumdrop junk in the first few versions of Mac OS X didn't annoy me as much.
11:24:37 <bjoern_> @wunder Heidelberg
11:24:40 <supybot> bjoern_: Temperature: 73.6°F / 23.1°C | Humidity: 51% | Pressure: 29.74in / 1007.0hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NNW | Wind Speed: 3.0mph / 4.8km/h | Updated: 1:03 PM CEST; Chance of Rain. High:78 ° F. / 26 ° C.; Chance of Rain. Low:55 ° F. / 13 ° C.; Rain. High:60 ° F. / 16 ° C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:46 ° F. / 8 ° C.; Chance of Rain. High:57 ° F. / 14 ° C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:41 ° F. / 5 ° C.;
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12:15:26 <Arnia> Here is a challenge: http://www.bbc.co.uk/food/recipes/database/snickerspie_80041.shtml
12:21:15 <sbp> yo! whattings of upness, Arnia?
12:21:35 <sbp> mmm... snickerpie
12:21:59 <sbp> "It's rich, so one cake will serve about 16 children (or 12 adults)."
12:22:01 <sbp> I remember that on the news
12:32:26 <Arnia> I was thinking about setting eating a whole one as a challenge to a friend
12:33:33 <Arnia> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slough_Estates
12:33:56 <sbp> I wanna eat here:
12:33:57 <sbp> http://howithappened.com/2007/05/underground-menu-at-lenclume.html
12:34:09 <sbp> Slough Estates?
12:35:42 <Arnia> Oh, just reading up on Slough Trading Estate (which is scary big) and its history
12:36:40 <Arnia> It was the establishment of Slough Trading Estate which led to Betjemann writing his poem and gave the Labour council the excuse they wanted to 'modernise' the town centre by knocking down every historical and pretty building
12:37:01 <Arnia> Replacing them with concrete (with the exception of the train station which even they couldn't get away with)
12:37:03 <sbp> ah. purely historical reading, or other too?
12:38:09 <Arnia> It has had a lot of well-known companies pass through
12:38:28 <Arnia> Mars and BT of course, but many others too
12:39:04 <Arnia> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slough_Trading_Estate
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12:45:12 <Arnia> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slough_railway_station
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12:58:41 <Arnia> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/6650545.stm
13:00:56 <bjoern_> "If you are interested in becoming a TV journalist, it is a fine example of how not to do it. I look like an exploding tomato and shout like a jet engine".
13:01:34 <Arnia> reminds me of myself last night... I've been getting very angry lately and I don't know why
13:45:09 <xower> Accumulating Stupidity?
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14:24:17 <sbp> bjoern_: yeah, looks interesting that
14:30:59 <sbp> from WL, a piece about the Kitty Macroimages:
14:31:00 <sbp> http://www.zerosummind.com/2007/05/l337-katz0rz.html
14:32:55 <sbp> random three consecutive entries from swhackgc:
14:32:56 <sbp> bogstank
14:32:56 <sbp> "boiled my pony up for glue"
14:32:56 <sbp> "boink slut"
14:46:06 * Arnia watches an argument on Comment is Free and sighs
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14:46:29 <Arnia> Apparently everyone who is truly rational is immediately convinced by Dawkins' arguments.
14:47:20 <mumbles> sbp, dose penny havve a debug out put
14:47:32 <sbp> mumbles: nope
14:47:35 <sbp> Arnia: ugh
14:47:53 <Arnia> My immediate thought is 'which rationality?' If based upon the totting up of evidence to support a pattern I'm inclined to ask 'what pattern?'
14:47:54 <mumbles> becouse im having some problems with phenny not doing some of the commands
14:48:20 <Arnia> If the use of deductive reasoning, then I want to ask 'which axioms?'
14:49:39 <Arnia> I have no objection to atheism, just the hypocrisy of someone claiming that a perspective is 'rational' and others are 'irrational' when those terms are, as far as I'm concerned, meaningless
14:52:59 <Arnia> What is the fallacy that because some number of a group perform certain (perhaps reprehensible) acts, that the entire group are performing those acts?
14:53:48 <Arnia> Apparently it is incorrect to refer to Dawkins' position as 'secular extremeism' because he isn't blowing up churches or engaging in wars of belief
14:53:51 <bjoern_> that would be a hasty generalization
14:54:23 <Arnia> The rationale being that all those with extremist positions do such a thing
14:54:53 <bjoern_> .wik Extremist
14:54:56 <phenny> "Extremism is a term used to describe the actions or ideologies of individuals or groups outside the perceived political center of a society; or otherwise claimed to violate common standards of ethics and reciprocity." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extremist
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14:56:48 <sbp> noncentralist seculatiry
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14:56:59 <sbp> misnormal secularity
14:57:09 <bjoern_> '''The terms "extremist" or "radical" are often used to label those who advocate or use violence against the will of the larger social body'''
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14:57:55 <bjoern_> I tend to agree, I would be careful to use the term if I don't think who I attribute it to is going to use some form of violence.
14:58:25 <bjoern_> hmm http://static.flickr.com/39/75371005_3a5054df1a.jpg
14:58:34 <Arnia> Not what I entail from the use of extremist as a term. For me, the term indicates an extreme position involving the removal of all who disagree
14:58:56 <bjoern_> "removal"?
14:58:59 <Arnia> Which is pretty much Dawkins' position on the matter as far as I can tell
14:59:29 <Arnia> Oh yes, religion is a mental illness and those afflicted should be removed from society
14:59:46 <sbp> positionally perambulatory secularity
15:00:10 <bjoern_> Are you paraphrasing, or did he literally say that?
15:00:18 <bjoern_> That position would be news to me.
15:00:36 <sbp> fringecoted secularity
15:01:17 <sbp> village station secularity
15:01:19 <Arnia> bjoern_: That blasted Newsnight interview in the mid-90s
15:01:50 <Arnia> bjoern_: which was the event that got me severely angry with Dawkins' position of influence
15:02:06 <Arnia> (he also defended eugenics in that interview, which really sealed it for me)
15:02:38 <bjoern_> If you dig up a url, that would be great.
15:03:21 <sbp> /Ultima Thule/ secularity
15:04:06 <Arnia> bjoern_: this was pre-BBC indexing everything and I cannot remember enough identifying details of the interview
15:04:50 <Arnia> bjoern_: it was one of Newsnight's discussion fora, and Dawkins was one of the participants
15:06:00 <Arnia> I think it was around early 1996 because the memory is linked to me being in bed in the living room after I broke my leg
15:06:01 <sbp> after the final whistle's gone and everybody's in the locker room flicking one another with the towels of victory, Smedley's still in the stands chatting up a girl he spotted when taking that 68 minute corner secularity
15:06:03 * bjoern_ then suspects poor choice of words and misunderstanding/-remembering
15:06:39 <Arnia> bjoern_: Oh I remember lots of other details. Dawkins was on the right of the forum from the perspective of the camera
15:06:46 <Arnia> He was also wearing a blue suit
15:07:14 <Arnia> It is just the other participants were incredibly dull, and only Dawkins stuck in mind because of what he said then
15:07:36 <Arnia> (memories index better under strong emotion, and I was fuming after he said that)
15:08:56 <sbp> Rosie waters plants / Jenny takes the kids to school / Spring is upon us secularity
15:09:27 <bjoern_> I can easily go with mental illness, child abuse, and many other things, but calls to remove all religious people from society do not sound like Dawkins to me.
15:10:21 <Arnia> They sound exactly like Dawkins to me
15:10:35 <Arnia> Possibly because I heard him say it though
15:10:40 <bjoern_> I'd like a 3d model showing what we should consider ultima thule these days.
15:10:45 <sbp> mais où sont les neiges d'antan secularity
15:11:13 * Arnia blames Wittgenstein
15:11:35 <Arnia> I'm also blaming my hangover at the moment, although for another thing
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15:12:13 <Arnia> ugh, quotes like this really piss me off "Dawkins states fact and is open to challenge."
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15:12:36 <Arnia> I'd want an agreed on definition of 'fact' first
15:13:04 <Arnia> Also, definitions of 'truth', 'knowledge', 'belief', 'interpretation' and, even, 'definition'
15:13:49 <Arnia> I don't believe it is meaningful to assert rationality as a route to truth, let alone correct
15:14:05 <bjoern_> You should buy one of these, http://www.iwantoneofthose.com/usb-missile-launcher/index.html
15:14:09 <Arnia> Rationality being defined very much in terms of our cognitive schemas
15:14:19 *** sbp changed the topic to: "Parkour Secularity! L'art du déplacement théologistique"
15:14:35 <Arnia> And thus a property of our bodies more than a guiding light for analysing the universe
15:15:12 <Arnia> If I were to ask someone to interpret the universe in terms of prejudice as the guiding light then people would baulk. Why?
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15:18:45 <Arnia> I will rail against those who treat rationalism with the same uncritical eye as they accuse 'religious people' of treating the concept of 'god' (missing the fine distinctions between theism and deism in the process)
15:19:35 <Arnia> I hate fundamentalism, but in my eyes Dawkins is promoting just as fundamentalist a viewpoint and he duely deserves to be castigated for his hypocrisy
15:21:14 <Arnia> Until he accepts that he is just as likely to be under the sway of Descarte's infernal demon as anyone else, I won't believe he is an appropriate figurehead for the 'public understanding of science' that others claim him to be
15:21:31 <sbp> 'chagree. I hate his pussy-footing, namby-pamby, hoity-toity, wishy-washy, bereft-of-crimson, hurry-me-o'er-the-hazy, lame-assed brand of smug hyper-rationalistic fundamentalist, extremist, para-parkour, ignorant, pan-misconceptualising, obsessively jerktastic wankfest of a secularity
15:21:55 <kpreid> "sbp: insult me"
15:22:00 <sbp> heh
15:22:07 * Arnia just stares at sbp
15:22:19 <kpreid> .gc "bereft-of-crimson"
15:22:21 <bjoern_> sbp got carried away a little
15:22:21 <sbp> well I had to cap all the euphemisms off somehow! :-)
15:22:22 <phenny> "bereft-of-crimson": 0
15:22:26 <kpreid> .gc "bereft-of-chartreuse"
15:22:29 <phenny> "bereft-of-chartreuse": 0
15:22:34 <kpreid> .gc "bereft-of-infrared"
15:22:37 <phenny> "bereft-of-infrared": 0
15:22:39 <kpreid> .gc "bereft-of-violet"
15:22:42 <phenny> "bereft-of-violet": 0
15:22:45 <kpreid> .gc "bereft-of-yellow"
15:22:47 <phenny> "bereft-of-yellow": 0
15:22:51 <kpreid> .gc "bereft-of-red"
15:22:54 <phenny> "bereft-of-red": 13,900
15:22:59 <kpreid> ...
15:23:54 <Arnia> I will stick to 'Dawkins is a dangerously hypocritical twat in his polemics' and be done with it
15:24:24 <kpreid> .compare hypocritical hypercritical
15:24:26 <Arnia> Until he demonstrates some understanding of the fine details of semantics and logics, I won't listen to him lecture me on rationality
15:24:27 <phenny> hypocritical (5,150,000), hypercritical (253,000)
15:24:38 <sbp> I do agree with everything you said about him that I understood
15:24:50 <Arnia> sbp: which was...
15:24:54 <sbp> but I'm more optimistic these days because I think a lot of people have woken up and smelt the Dawkins, so to speak
15:25:06 * kpreid hasn't enough first-hand observation of Dawkins' arguments to comment on them
15:25:06 <sbp> everything except the definitional stuff
15:25:24 <Arnia> I'm not so optimistic because I've just read Comment is Free and now want to cry
15:25:51 <Arnia> I want fora like CiF to include 'fallacy' buttons which can be used to mark logical fallacies in posts
15:26:05 <sbp> this? http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,2078536,00.html
15:28:24 <Arnia> yeah
15:30:02 <sbp> wow, I'm barely into the comments and already they're getting weird
15:30:11 <sbp> [[[
15:30:12 <sbp> Check out the Wiki discussion page and see why Ms. Odone has no reputation for truthfullness. Lies are lies, simple.
15:30:12 <sbp> So, we can't be sure if that is what was said to her at her 'conversation' with the bold Richard.
15:30:12 <sbp> ]]]
15:32:02 <sbp> anyway, this is why I don't read /. comments anymore
15:32:57 <Arnia> We live in a world which is trying to eliminate parable as a discursive device
15:33:42 <sbp> more parable, less allegory!
15:33:45 <Arnia> And so eliminates a major tool for our analysis; that of stories. Now everything has to be immediately or directly True
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15:33:58 <xower> I'm currently far less conerned about the secular extremism then the opposite, for the simple reason that it is, by several measures, the minority position.
15:34:18 <sbp> and it might be seen as a form of overcompensation
15:34:37 <sbp> if it flourishes, that seems like a hat eating event
15:35:01 <Arnia> The world is dividing into fundamentalist camps each of which stick to their dogmas with a rigidity that terrifies me
15:35:02 <sbp> on the other hand, you might say that that's a lot of brains wasted on the overcompensation when they could be tackling the real issues
15:35:20 <xower> Arnia: I completely agree.
15:36:53 <xower> "Extremists of every persuasion should be removed from society"? :-)
15:37:25 <Arnia> I feel scientific fundamentalism is just as dangerous, if not more so, because people are exposed to the idea of science as the route to truth, and technology as a force for good, from a young age here
15:38:01 <Arnia> And have been for some time... I see it in the attitudes of a lot of undergrads (particularly those who arrived after 2003)
15:38:03 <sbp> yeah, and I guess it's a new corrosive
15:38:11 <sbp> so actually we can't compare it to the Other fundamentalism
15:38:42 <xower> I don't think we're in any immediate danger of the Scientific Method becoming the One True Liturgy of the Universal Church of Science...
15:38:44 <Arnia> They cannot conceive of a technology bringing ills, or of science not being universally applicable
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15:39:48 <Arnia> xower: and, to be slightly Swiftian, we were in no immediate danger at Versailles of the German nation reacting against the reparations with a new nationalism
15:40:12 <Arnia> Seeds get sown years in advance, and I have a distaste for symptomatic solutions
15:40:42 * xower does not disagree...
15:41:50 <Arnia> I definitely resent being told that everything I say is tainted by madness just because I'm a deist
15:42:10 <Arnia> (which is what a lot of the commentators in that forum make out)
15:42:24 <xower> Of course everything you say is tainted by madness!
15:42:47 <crschmidt> xower: But that's cause he's a swhacker, not cause he's a deist
15:42:49 <kpreid> And how do mad scientists fit in?
15:43:04 <Arnia> Oh I never argued against that :p It was more the taint of madness from the deism accusation
15:43:06 * xower shudders at the thought of one day actually meeting a perfectly sane person...
15:43:27 <Arnia> xower: I've met one... she's a good friend, but terrifying to talk to at times
15:43:30 <kpreid> xower: because it would imply that sanity is one-dimensional?
15:44:15 <sbp> heh, Ben Franklin: "Some books against Deism fell into my hands; they were said to be the substance of sermons preached at Boyle's lectures. It happened that they wrought an effect on me quite contrary to what was intended by them; for the arguments of the deists, which were quoted to be refuted, appeared to me much stronger than the refutations; in short, I soon became a thorough deist."
15:44:51 <xower> .wik sanity
15:44:53 <phenny> "Sanity considered as a legal term denotes that an individual is of sound mind and therefore can bear legal responsibility for his or her actions." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanity
15:44:59 <sbp> .wik Science and Sanity
15:45:02 <phenny> "Alfred Habdank Skarbek Korzybski was born on July 3, 1879 in Warsaw, Poland, and died on March 1, 1950, in Lakeville, Connecticut, USA." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Korzybski
15:45:08 <madewokherd> heh
15:45:22 <xower> .w sanity
15:45:24 <phenny> sanity n. 1: Normal or sound powers of mind.
15:47:05 <sbp> a lot of what I do these days is kinda coloured by Korzybski's "Science and Sanity" indirectly through William Loughborough. the Lo! stuff for example has been very much about showing how maps and territories don't match
15:47:15 <sbp> (incidental point, but whilst we're bumbling along...)
15:47:49 <madewokherd> I have nothing worthwhile to say about any of this
15:48:04 <sbp> and yet you did...
15:48:16 <madewokherd> yep
15:49:25 <sbp> I enjoy things a lot more when I don't understand them yet
15:49:56 <kpreid> What of when you don't understand them ever?
15:50:09 <sbp> then I haven't generally approached them
15:50:30 <sbp> understanding things isn't generally all that hard. it's usually just a matter of effort
15:50:58 <sbp> I worry sometimes that my understandings of things is too rationalistically inclined
15:51:11 <sbp> and hence that I don't really understand them fully
15:51:17 <bjoern_> understanding you don't understand appears quite difficult actually.
15:51:19 <sbp> and that that's why the enjoyment goes
15:51:52 <sbp> obviously that's not the sort of domain I'm talking about for understand :-)
15:51:56 <sbp> er, range
15:55:00 <sbp> so I was reading Terrors of the Night the other day, by Thomas Nashe, and it's a piece about superstitions and so forth
15:55:53 <sbp> back in Elizabethan England, there was a lot of controversy over superstition, witches, magic, and that sort of thing because of the upheaval associated with the switching back and forth between Catholicism and Protestantism--not to mention the Puritans coming into the fray
15:56:28 <sbp> so you have people like "onne Scot, an Englishman" as King James called him... Reginald Scot, who wrote a huge piece that talks about how fairy stories and witchcraft and all this stuff is utter bunk
15:57:05 <sbp> and in 1603 you have Samuel Harsnett coming out with a tract speaking out loudly about the papists, the Catholics, and their exorcisms and all the silliness associated with devils and demons and so on
15:57:49 <sbp> and it's really easy to lampoon, so Harsnett did so. though oddly enough, King James was very into demons and wrote a book called Demonologie, even though he was a Protestant. so it wasn't entirely a division across the denominitions
15:58:18 <sbp> anyway, one of the things that struck me about Nashe's piece was that in demonstrating how the superstitions of the day were completely bunk, he debunks them by using his best science of the time
15:58:45 <sbp> now, his debunking turns out to be right, but his science has now been proven wrong. he's talking about how dreams are caused by humours, not by possessions
15:59:03 <kpreid> How else?
15:59:22 <sbp> and I wondered: how valuable was that railing against superstition given that he was a) right, but b) for the wrong reasons, and yet c) there's no way at that time he could've known the right reason (and really, we still don't quite know how dreams "work")
16:00:09 <kpreid> well
16:00:17 <sbp> and I guess that it's related to the larger question of whether all the people who were born before Jesus are going to heaven or hell in the Christian viewpoint because they couldn't've been Christians; whether babies go to heaven or hell; whether people on remote islands... &c.
16:00:23 <kpreid> are humors not closer to reality than possesions?
16:00:45 * kpreid is not familiar with the relevant details
16:00:57 <sbp> you sorta have to do the best that you can, and you're judged on how well you overcome local conditions. there isn't exactly a universal yardstick, only inasmuch as it's distributed to all of us depending on our contexts
16:01:38 <sbp> humours... maybe they're a smidgenous bit closer, but it's kinda like arguing whether the number "2" or the number "3" is more like cheese
16:01:52 <sbp> I mean, 3 is clearly more cheesier... but not by much!
16:02:05 <madewokherd> I was about to say 3
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16:03:38 * madewokherd often feels left out of conversations where he has nothing worthwhile to contribute and for some reason is announcing it this time
16:03:40 *** karamba38 (i=ariel@gateway/tor/x-d47211acb27571ad) has joined #swhack
16:03:40 <Monty> hi karamba38, how ya doing?
16:03:40 <phenny> Monty: shh, don't let anyone know you're around!
16:03:42 <JibbyBot> Monty: that's a silly question.
16:03:44 <Monty> Apply for "bonkers". Try http://etymonline.com/?search=entymology
16:03:46 <Monty> bancus, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Star#Time_as_Independent_Counsel
16:04:38 * madewokherd goes back to bed
16:05:04 <sbp> I think Nashe knew he was so obviously right, it was just a problem of how to relate a thing so obvious. it's like people were arguing that the sun didn't shine and he knew that it did, but when people just obstinately believe in something so stupid, it's hard to know which kind of cloostick to administer. and also, with Nashe, there's always a million things going on at once. I mean, the debunking is the most ostensible of the reasons behind the pamphlet, but the
16:05:04 <sbp> re's a lot of other good stuff going on there...
16:05:30 <sbp> madewokherd: in such situations I just keep quiet :-)
16:05:55 <sbp> I figure someone will come across it one day in the logs and be all "ooh, handy" and I'm missing out but: oh well
16:06:35 <sbp> (except if I'm irritable and I think "bloody well get back to something interesting!")
16:07:44 <sbp> so anyway, what got me thinking about this is that Terrors of the Night was showing that there were, back to the C16 at least, people who believed in rubbish, and people who knew that the rubbish was rubbish and were attempting to decry it. a lot of these things don't change
16:07:58 <sbp> but watching the methods and stuff evolve is fun
16:08:31 <sbp> it's like... Dylan's got this new radio show which is pretty good, and he's usually playing old songs on it
16:08:52 <sbp> and someone wrote in and asked why he plays *old* songs all the damn time instead of recognising the new progress and the great new musical talents
16:09:06 <sbp> and Bob just said that well, there's a lot more old songs than new ones. it's just a fair representation
16:09:27 <sbp> and I can't help thinking about a lot of things in that way...
16:12:51 <sbp> another interesting thing is that in ye olde dayes, people used to pin learning on the ancients a lot more than they do now that the scientific method is so prevalent in our thoughts
16:13:43 <sbp> I was just thinking that it's sorta like moving from the taught to the teacher; it was a kind of ancient intellectual subservience of mind and now we're shedding that because we're do damn terrific at coming up with intellectual and physical gadgets and geegaws
16:14:23 <sbp> but I think that really, both have their merits, so I think that we're debalanced towards the arrogant position now and aren't really looking long term enough, which is probably why all of a sudden climate change and whatnot have snuck up upon us
16:14:44 <sbp> and that eventually we'll have to be a bit more temporally holistic to kick us out of our collective pomposity!
16:15:02 <sbp> which I guess is why I'm much more interested in history than technology now
16:15:19 <sbp> technology can go swivel. I'm hypercorrecting individually, but fighting the tides socially
16:18:24 *** sbp changed the topic to: ""The stuff I got'll bust yer brains out baby, oo-ooh! It'll make you lose yer mind.""
16:19:01 <sbp> man I love Robert Johnson
16:22:50 * deltab watches PoV then Shaun
16:26:40 <sbp> oh, Shaun! thanks for reminding me
16:26:52 * sbp can't wait to get that on DVD... September, I think
16:27:01 <sbp> yep, the 7th
16:28:52 <sbp> .pc ¿
16:28:55 <phenny> 00BF: INVERTED QUESTION MARK (¿)
16:29:48 <deltab> today's episodes: Shape up with Shaun, Who's the Mummy? and Fleeced
16:30:41 <sbp> wait, when are the others on?
16:30:49 <deltab> from six on CBBC
16:31:06 <sbp> ooo. ta
16:35:25 <sbp> Jessie Wallace was on Paul O'Grady the other day
16:35:40 <sbp> but I didn't watch the show. heh
16:35:48 <sbp> Paul said that it should be on BBC 1, not BBC 4
16:36:00 <sbp> good stuff. the viewers agreed! (sadly, I didn't see it)
16:44:13 <sbp> hilarious
16:44:22 <sbp> you know, I can still only just about tell that that's Vic Reeves...
16:46:38 <sbp> not to self: CBBC, 701
16:46:51 <sbp> s/not/note/
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17:10:11 * xower debunks sbp as a mere result of humours...
17:11:02 <xower> Or acid rain, possibly.
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17:13:02 <sbp> a chicken-cosy! also... poor butterfly
17:13:11 <sbp> whoops, second episode
17:13:13 <deltab> American-style phone number!
17:20:08 <sbp> yes! I was going to remark on that
17:20:20 <sbp> probably so it can be shown over there. it was even seven digits, but no hyphen
17:20:24 <sbp> so it sorted worked here too
17:20:40 <sbp> had seen Fleeced before, but it was still good
17:22:08 <sbp> s/sorted/sorta/
17:42:11 * perigrin realizes he's thinking about Combat Sheep rather than Fleeced.
17:42:58 <sbp> hmm, I've not seen that
17:43:05 <sbp> if it's this:
17:43:06 <sbp> http://www.bbc.co.uk/comedy/guide/articles/c/combatsheep_66600850.shtml
17:43:07 <jllykifsh> <html>
17:43:09 <sbp> what a cast though
17:43:11 <jllykifsh> <head>
17:43:15 <jllykifsh> <meta http-equiv="Content-Language" content="en-us">
17:43:18 <sbp> ...
17:43:19 <jllykifsh> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8">
17:43:21 <perigrin> es I believe it was that
17:43:23 <jllykifsh> <meta name="Keywords" content="PROLOG Artificial Intelligence Ontology AI MOO Linguistics Philosophy DARPA Doulgas Miles">
17:43:27 <jllykifsh> <meta name="Description" content="PROLOG Artificial Intelligence Ontology AI MOO Linguistics Philosophy DARPA">
17:43:31 <jllykifsh> <title>Inference Engine - [clientinfo=[firstChar(G), io($socket(4), $stream(33101648), $stream(33170608)), ip(10, 10, 10, 193)], file=]</title>
17:43:35 <jllykifsh> </head>
17:43:39 <jllykifsh> <body>
17:43:43 <jllykifsh> <a href="browse.moo">Browse</a>
17:43:47 <jllykifsh> <a href="english.moo">English</a>
17:44:12 <perigrin> er yes
17:44:33 <sbp> phenny: tell dmiles to see http://swhack.com/logs/2007-05-13#T17-43-06 for jllykifsh weirdness
17:44:35 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when dmiles is around.
17:44:49 <kpreid> does phenny do prefix nick matches?
17:45:32 <sbp> yeah. at least, she used to
17:46:05 <kpreid> phenny: tell kpr "hi"
17:46:07 <phenny> kpreid: I'll pass that on when kpr is around.
17:46:09 <kpreid> ·
17:46:15 <sbp> only when punctuation is used
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17:46:28 <sbp_test> phenny: tell sbp something
17:46:30 <phenny> sbp_test: I'll pass that on when sbp is around.
17:46:32 <sbp_test> LOLLING THE DONGS
17:46:36 <sbp_test> hmm
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17:46:43 <sbp> .
17:46:45 <phenny> sbp: 17:41Z <sbp_test> tell sbp something
17:46:46 <sbp> guess not, then
17:46:54 <kpreid> ok, better tell dmiles_afk then
17:47:03 <kpreid> also:
17:47:21 <sbp> .eval list(phenny.reminders['dmiles'].pop())
17:47:24 <phenny> ['sbp', 'tell', '13 May 17:39Z', 'to see http://swhack.com/logs/2007-05-13#T17-43-06 for jllykifsh weirdness']
17:47:32 <sbp> phenny: tell dmiles* to see http://swhack.com/logs/2007-05-13#T17-43-06 for jllykifsh weirdness
17:47:34 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when dmiles* is around.
17:47:44 <kpreid> how'bout if phenny, upon seeing someone who she has a message for join or nick-change, saying something to 'em (but not actually delivering the message unless they react)
17:48:04 <sbp> that's not a bad idea!
17:48:25 <sbp> it could be a simple "Hello $nickname"
17:48:39 <kpreid> .compare "bad idea" "good idea" "half-bad idea" "half-good idea"
17:48:43 <phenny> "good idea" (57,600,000), "bad idea" (5,070,000), "half-bad idea" (10,700), "half-good idea" (3,800)
17:49:03 <sbp> that is other than an atrocious idea!
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18:36:38 <sbp> .ety mauve
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18:36:41 <phenny> "1859, from Fr. mauve, from O.Fr. mauve 'mallow,' from L. malva 'mallow;' the dye so called from the color of the mallow plant." - http://etymonline.com/?term=mauve
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18:39:11 <sbp> hear ye, hear ye!
18:39:16 <sbp> half an hour till Victoria's Empire
18:46:52 <madewokherd> [12:00:27] <sbp> madewokherd: in such situations I just keep quiet :-) <-- me too normally
18:49:04 <sbp> :-)
18:49:13 <madewokherd> I was just particularly distressed by it that time
18:49:15 * sbp browses hundreds of art deco travel posters
18:49:19 <sbp> why's that?
18:49:22 <madewokherd> dunno
18:49:31 <madewokherd> maybe because I was tired? :/
18:51:16 <sbp> ah
18:53:02 <Mike_L> sbp: are you actually watching television?
18:54:16 <sbp> Mike_L: yeah, news at the moment
18:54:27 <sbp> half watching the sport roundup, half browsing through the posters
18:54:31 <sbp> done about 300 or so now
18:54:47 <sbp> West Ham beat Man United. Tevez with the goal! so they stay up
18:54:57 <sbp> irony of ironies though
18:55:20 <sbp> why do you ask?
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18:56:42 <sbp> the B·O·A·C posters are fun
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18:59:10 <sbp> Mike_L?
18:59:52 <Mike_L> sbp: I was trying to be condescending
19:03:17 <sbp> ah. well failed!
19:04:04 <sbp> the fact that you were putting down TV whilst on *IRC* wasn't the least of it... :-)
19:04:54 <sbp> right I'm off. Victoria's Empire!
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19:12:41 <Mike_L> sbp: )
19:12:43 <Mike_L> :)
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19:23:53 <dmiles_afk> ack, going to fix that
19:23:55 <phenny> dmiles_afk: 17:42Z <sbp> tell dmiles_afk to see http://swhack.com/logs/2007-05-13#T17-43-06 for jllykifsh weirdness
19:24:07 <dmiles_afk> that works
19:24:19 <dmiles_afk> (for phenny)
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19:25:14 <dmiles_afk> it was thinking that the last channel it heard something was it's new stdout
19:25:55 <dmiles_afk> and if it irc.. it rewites the PRIVMSG #channel in fromnt
19:27:56 <dmiles_afk> phenny, tell sbp sorry, thanks
19:27:58 <phenny> dmiles_afk: I'll pass that on when sbp is around.
20:05:03 <sbp> yo dmiles_afk. didya fix it?
20:05:05 <phenny> sbp: 19:22Z <dmiles_afk> tell sbp sorry, thanks
20:07:01 <perigrin> How was Victorias Empire?
20:07:08 <perigrin> Victorious?
20:07:11 <perigrin> Empirical?
20:08:24 <JibberJim> Spaced!
20:08:25 <deltab> Frost and Pegg's Perfect Night in on Channel 4 now, followed by Spaced
20:08:28 <sbp> very good, thanks! such a shame it's over
20:08:32 <sbp> ha, you losers
20:08:40 <sbp> I'm watching Victoria Wood still, on BBC 4
20:08:49 * JibberJim thought spaced was on Frost and Pegg's perfect night in and thought - dodgy!
20:08:52 <sbp> on Dawn French's "Girls Who Do: Comedy"
20:09:04 <JibberJim> they pick their show as their perfect night in, vain wotsits!
20:09:19 <sbp> yeah, Walliams and thingy were doing it the other week
20:09:29 <sbp> er... George Dawes. man, what's his name?
20:09:29 <JibberJim> yeah, but I hate them
20:09:37 <sbp> yeah, me too. I didn't watch it
20:09:43 <deltab> sbp: Matt Lucas
20:09:49 <JibberJim> Simon Pegg I like - even when he did little inserts as a spaceman on BSB comedy channel
20:09:53 <JibberJim> and that was a long time ago!
20:10:02 <sbp> oh right; thanks
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20:12:51 <sbp> I still think we need a kind of Swhack-Twitter for UK TV
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20:21:39 <perigrin> heh
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20:24:54 <sbp> Knifes
20:25:05 <Knifes> yes ?
20:25:14 <sbp> 'ello
20:25:27 <Knifes> hyia
20:25:30 <sbp> what up?
20:25:43 <Knifes> do I know 'ya ?
20:25:57 <perigrin> from #swhack
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20:26:06 <perigrin> he said "Knifes" just after you joined.
20:26:06 <sbp> no, but you did join here
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20:26:31 <Knifes> so what's so special about me joining here lol ^_^
20:26:46 <sbp> well I was just wondering why you did
20:26:53 <perigrin> you don't feel #shwack is special?!?
20:27:14 <crschmidt> Swhack is special!
20:27:18 <crschmidt> Also, I have fish in my fishtank!
20:27:20 <Knifes> is it ?
20:27:22 <perigrin> Full of special people!
20:27:26 <Knifes> ^^
20:27:32 <sbp> Monty is a special person
20:27:32 <Knifes> what kind of special people ?
20:27:36 <perigrin> Much like crschmidt's fishtank is full of fish
20:27:36 <Monty> trying to Turkey if that's just curious to Middle Ages is though... I'm working overtime
20:27:49 <perigrin> dahut is a very special person
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20:28:12 <Knifes> hmm
20:28:14 <perigrin> and apparently a quiet person
20:28:21 <Knifes> or afk
20:28:23 <Knifes> ^^
20:28:29 <dahut> perigrin: Not if I can help it.
20:28:35 <sbp> ah, hi dahut!
20:28:42 <crschmidt> dahut: tell Monty that you're here, please?
20:28:44 <Monty> JimH: uh? what means we invade france.
20:28:45 <dahut> crschmidt: Glad to see you, crschmidt. Your polite style is very nice. OK I will tell them when I see 'em.
20:29:18 <Knifes> :|
20:29:32 <sbp> :||::"::"|:::|::::||||:|::|
20:29:50 <Knifes> (O_o)
20:29:57 <crschmidt> Is that like 3 bit morse code?
20:30:13 <Knifes> no
20:30:23 <Knifes> it's rather more of an expression
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20:30:37 <sbp> an expression of what?
20:30:56 <Knifes> of being amazed of smtn
20:30:59 <Knifes> but not in particular
20:31:12 <Knifes> it's also ment to make the other guy put questions about it
20:31:19 <Knifes> seems it worked :)
20:31:21 <sbp> ah. or girl
20:31:27 <Knifes> yes
20:32:12 <kpreid> > readInt 3 (const True) (fromJust . (`elemIndex` ":|\"")) ":||::\"::\"|:::|::::||||:|::|"
20:32:43 <swhask> [(1151544437542,"")]
20:33:01 <Knifes> look at all the pretty numbers
20:33:03 <Knifes> :|
20:33:11 <kpreid> > readInt 3 (const True) (fromJust . (`elemIndex` ":|\"")) ":|"
20:33:21 <swhask> [(1,"")]
20:33:31 <sbp> numbarz
20:33:39 <kpreid> > readInt 3 (const True) (fromJust . (`elemIndex` "\"|:")) ":|"
20:33:45 <swhask> [(7,"")]
20:33:56 <kpreid> (the first string defines the place values of the symbols)
20:35:05 <sbp> DROP YOUR TROUSERS FOR BEST RESULTS
20:35:08 <sbp> - overseen on BBC 4
20:35:22 <kpreid> > drop 1 $ words "YOUR TROUSERS"
20:35:25 <swhask> ["TROUSERS"]
20:35:29 <sbp> ooh, Morcambe and Wise on the Pegg thing
20:36:19 <sbp> I remember meeting a woman a few years ago who was like 106 or something like that, and I was able to chat with her, and the only thing that she really said to me was "Morcambe and Wise... they were so good"
20:36:31 <sbp> you don't forget that
20:36:41 <deltab> ooh, Box of Delights
20:36:45 <deltab> I have the book
20:36:47 <JibberJim> yes, senility is a great shame
20:37:02 <sbp> nah, come on :-)
20:37:10 <sbp> .wik Box of Delights
20:37:11 * JibberJim not a morecombe and wise fan
20:37:13 <phenny> "The Box of Delights is a children's fantasy novel by John Masefield." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Box_of_Delights
20:37:17 <sbp> really? bummer
20:37:23 <Knifes> i'm bored :\
20:37:33 <sbp> man, I'd never even heard of this
20:38:10 <Knifes> :|
20:38:17 <Knifes> u people r gay :\
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20:39:31 <sbp> Knifes: only some
20:39:32 <sbp> oh, he's gone
20:39:39 <sbp> I liked the word "Colour" next to the time
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20:40:34 <sbp> "I was very much into rugby... so you know girls passed me by a little bit."
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20:42:19 <Monty> it's DrBacchus!
20:42:23 <sbp> Janet Ellis... isn't she Sophie Ellis-Bextor's mother?
20:42:44 <deltab> yes
20:42:49 * Arnia boings
20:43:04 <sbp> n'yello Arnia
20:44:15 <deltab> she appeared in Qu3st, Blue Peter's sci-fi mystery, while Murder on the Dance Floor played quietly in the background
20:44:33 * Arnia needs badgers
20:44:35 <sbp> huh. didn't see that
20:44:45 <sbp> Monty: give Arnia thy badger
20:44:47 <Monty> schema fingers breasts.
20:44:55 <sbp> er...
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20:45:25 <Arnia> Monty: Source-Path-Goal or Random-Eroticism?
20:45:28 <Monty> cellophane zoo regularly sucks technoir's fanny flaps!
20:45:32 <Arnia> ...
20:45:39 <Arnia> That's just unpleasant
20:46:52 <perigrin> Monty has quite a mouth on him.
20:46:58 <Monty> Janet Ellis... isn't she married the modern one against Deism fell into smaller administrative units." - 1050) also interested
20:47:28 <sbp> technoir?
20:47:33 <sbp> .def technoir
20:47:34 <Arnia> Deism fell into smaller administrative units following the privatisation of God Inc
20:47:40 <deltab> .wik Technoir
20:47:42 <perigrin> .gc Technoir
20:47:43 <phenny> "Morgan King is a musician, writer, producer and DJ." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morgan_King
20:47:44 <phenny> Technoir: 155,000
20:47:52 <deltab> Monkey!
20:48:04 <sbp> man, I don't remember any of this
20:48:09 <sbp> I think I'm a few years too young
20:48:30 <deltab> likewise, but Monkey was repeated late night on 4 a year or two back
20:48:30 * Arnia privatises sbp
20:48:45 <sbp> ah, so just watching the wrong bleedin' sides as usual
20:49:22 <deltab> by which I mean 2004
20:49:43 <deltab> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monkey_%28TV_series%29
20:49:47 <sbp> (by the way, do you call channels "sides" sometimes? when I use it on non-Brits, they tend to get confused)
20:50:24 <sbp> ah, the Hulk. at least nobody ever missed that
20:50:52 * perigrin has never used the term "sides" for channels ... television or otherwise.
20:50:59 * sbp tries the OED on "side"
20:51:50 <perigrin> I actually still blink when someone uses side to refer to an entire FC
20:52:03 <sbp> it doesn't really make much sense as a term, but then again, neither does "channel" when you think about it
20:52:22 <perigrin> Well no .. Frequency would be best there.
20:52:41 <perigrin> except perhaps in the concept of Channeling ethereal voices from beyond.
20:52:54 <perigrin> apparently Radio was full of spiritualists in it's early heyday.
20:53:19 <sbp> wow, there are a lot of senses of "side"
20:53:37 <perigrin> I once read a very good book about the interaction of spiritualists/religion and technology
20:53:49 * perigrin finds himself rambling a bit and settles down.
20:55:09 <sbp> hmm, the only thing close I can find is "side band Telecommunication, a band of frequencies above or below a carrier frequency, within which lie the frequencies produced by modulation of the carrier"
20:57:23 <perigrin> which I'm sure would make more sense if I had more than rudimentary understanding of radio
20:57:50 <deltab> sbp: what about the phrase "the other side"?
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20:58:37 <Monty> Thank goodness, jllykifsh is back!
20:58:39 <JibbyBot> Monty, no one likes you!
20:58:39 <phenny> Be quiet, Monty.
20:58:40 <Monty> inaccurate
20:58:42 <Monty> Nothing... but it's going on something like this big toe... btw)
20:59:13 <perigrin> Monty, JibbyBot is inaccurate ... I'm sure your mother loves you.
20:59:27 <Monty> continue tomorrow, need *information*. Connect me back to school you may go step by web ad click on there aren't using it as it with it possesifies the pretty similar Old High German nation reacting against superstition given how many other kid's a machine structures
20:59:33 *** deltab changed the topic to: "‹JibbyBot› Monty, no one likes you! ‹Monty› inaccurate"
20:59:35 <dmiles_afk> fixed it via a global variable called "not_in_irc" :)
21:00:32 <dmiles_afk> that when a http reply starts it sets the variable then when the response is done it unsets it
21:01:01 <dmiles_afk> *tisk tisk*
21:35:03 <Arnia> http://www.joyce.whitchurch.btinternet.co.uk/maps.htm
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21:49:07 <Monty> howdy, cre8radix
21:50:14 <cre8radix> heya, monty
21:50:15 <Monty> easy mode, but i'll have the arse
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22:41:49 <crschmidt> Arnia: ooh.
22:49:29 <KragenSitaker> Brits say "side" for "channel"? What kind of channel?
22:49:46 <perigrin> KragenSitaker, telelvision
22:50:03 <KragenSitaker> peregrin: ya know fourier analysis?
22:50:16 <perigrin> I know people who know fourier analysis.
22:50:20 <deltab> "Hmm, I don't want to watch that — what's on the other side?"
22:50:43 <deltab> I think it dates from when there were only two channels
22:51:01 <KragenSitaker> well, if you take a sine wave, and you screw with it a bit, you tend to spread out its energy over different frequencies when you view it through the lens of fourier analysis
22:51:05 <JibberJim> where's someone with OED access?
22:51:32 <KragenSitaker> i use "side" sometimes to refer to communication channels
22:51:56 <KragenSitaker> "let's take this chat to the irc side so other people can see"
22:52:03 <KragenSitaker> not often though
23:20:43 <xower> "easy mode, but i'll have the arse"?
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