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01:24:14 <Monty> Thank goodness, hhg is back!
01:24:16 <JibbyBot> Monty, no one likes you!
01:24:16 <phenny> Be quiet, Monty.
01:24:17 <Monty> *qwerty
01:24:18 <Monty> check mail
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03:41:43 <bpt> .ety university
03:41:46 <phenny> "c.1300, 'institution of higher learning,' also 'body of persons constituting a university,' from Anglo-Fr. université, O.Fr. universitei (13c.), from M.L. universitatem (nom. universitas), in L.L. 'corporation, society,' from L., 'the whole, aggregate,' from universus [...]" - http://etymonline.com/?term=university
03:41:50 <bpt> .ety hijack
03:41:52 <phenny> "1923, Amer.Eng., from high(way) + jacker 'one who holds up.' Originally 'to rob (a bootlegger, smuggler, etc.) in transit;' sense of 'seizing an aircraft in flight' is 1968 (also in 1961 variant skyjack), extended 1970s to any form of public transportation." - http://etymonline.com/?term=hijack
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05:03:14 <bpt> .gc "bar dexter"
05:03:17 <phenny> "bar dexter": 1,490
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06:01:32 <bjoern_> lo Monty
06:01:33 <Monty> wipes VHS?
06:01:49 <bjoern_> Monty: rec against.
06:01:50 <Monty> deltab: YouTube URL?
06:09:42 <KragenSitaker> http://enterpriselinuxlog.blogs.techtarget.com/2007/05/09/amd-will-deliver-open-graphics-drivers/
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07:55:49 <clarity__> hey
07:56:25 <clarity__> what would be the fastest way to find an number in an array of integers... the array can be mutated
07:57:26 <nsh-> .wik Array mutation
07:57:28 <phenny> "Wiktionary (a free dictionary) Wikibooks (free textbooks) Wikiquote (quotations) Wikisource (a free library) Commons (images and media) Wikinews (free news source)" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Array_mutation
07:57:38 <clarity__> hmm
07:57:50 <clarity__> array mutation means the values in the array can be moved around
07:58:13 <clarity__> the integers are randomly spread through the array
07:58:25 <clarity__> i've heard there's a faster way to do it than O(n)
07:59:16 <nsh-> .wik Binary search algorithm
07:59:18 <phenny> "A binary search algorithm (or binary chop) is a technique for finding a particular value in a sorted list." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_search_algorithm
07:59:32 <est> clarity__: only with quantum computation i think
08:00:15 <nsh-> .gc bifurcation dimensionality
08:00:17 <phenny> bifurcation dimensionality: 105,000
08:00:20 <nsh-> .g bifurcation dimensionality
08:00:21 <clarity__> hrm, yeah what the girl was saying didn't make any sense
08:00:23 <phenny> nsh-: http://monet.unibas.ch/~elmer/pendulum/bif.htm
08:00:53 <clarity__> she claimed "put it in an ordered heap and then search for the element" is faster than O(n)
08:01:14 <clarity__> the bottom up heap algorithm takes O(n)...
08:01:27 <clarity__> I don't think that's right :-\
08:01:49 <nsh-> clarity__ the binary search argorithm is O(log n)
08:02:12 <clarity__> that's only for ordered list
08:02:20 <clarity__> this randomly placed.
08:02:35 <nsh-> what was meant by "put it in an ordered heap" then?
08:06:59 <clarity__> i'm not sure
08:07:16 <clarity__> doesn't the ordered heap operation take O(n)
08:07:16 <clarity__> ?
08:18:49 <est> arranging them in a binary heap takes O(n * log n) i think
08:19:32 <est> ..and then finding a particular number takes O(log n)
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08:19:51 <est> that sounds like what's behind this
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08:21:38 <velbon> hack
08:22:34 <Arnia> velbon: hack was?
08:23:38 <velbon> hi.
08:23:49 <velbon> arnia
08:25:13 <Arnia> But slimy nucleation sites eat curvacious banana?
08:26:01 <velbon> like monkey
08:27:59 <bjoern_> Our only Eurovision winner ever suggests we should quit the contest!
08:28:01 <est> i think monty has hacked arnia
08:28:03 <Monty> circumnavigation == disproof;
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08:28:27 <est> eager as he is to deny it
08:29:02 <est> Monty: talk to me about buttocks
08:29:04 <Monty> I reckon horses + arse-fudge = Python animals?!
08:29:30 <Arnia> But where do samba clarity__ eat dog turds for miners grope
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08:36:36 <est> Arnia: talk to me about tocks
08:37:12 <est> Arnia is running on a slow computer
08:38:31 <Arnia> taleban hawks fifty determined badgers!
08:41:26 <sbp> phenny: tell bjoern_ 'Scooch have said they were "happy" with their final position, but the UK's newspapers have criticised the singers.' - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/6652793.stm
08:41:28 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when bjoern_ is around.
08:42:01 <bjoern_> yeah, read that already
08:42:03 <phenny> bjoern_: 08:36Z <sbp> tell bjoern_ 'Scooch have said they were "happy" with their final position, but the UK's newspapers have criticised the singers.' - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/6652793.stm
08:42:03 <thelsdj> googling my nickname comes up with some interesting stuff
08:42:14 <bjoern_> Nicole (our only winner) suggests we quit it
08:42:17 <thelsdj> Like for example, I don't remember having this conversation: http://downlode.org/Creative/Writing/TechNotes/Archives/2006/05/real_wrath_of_g.html
08:42:54 <bjoern_> .wik BILD
08:42:57 <phenny> "The Bild (formerly Bild-Zeitung, lit." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BILD
08:43:15 <bjoern_> ... asks whether the voting mafia of the east is destroying the contest
08:43:39 <thelsdj> I must have been drunk at the time or something
08:45:31 <clarity__> est: O(nlogn) is slower than O(n) that's the bottom up heap operation
08:46:21 <clarity__> nlogn is heapsorts time..
08:50:39 <sbp> .reload wikipedia
08:51:09 <sbp> phenny: reload wikipedia
08:51:11 <phenny> sbp: <module 'modules.wikipedia' from '/home/sbp/phenny/modules/wikipedia.pyc'> (version: 2007-02-05 20:20:52)
08:51:12 <sbp> .wik BILD
08:51:15 <phenny> "The Bild (formerly Bild-Zeitung, lit." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BILD
08:51:19 <sbp> oh, heh
08:51:46 <sbp> would help if I uploaded to the right server
08:51:52 <sbp> phenny: reload wikipedia
08:51:54 <phenny> sbp: <module 'modules.wikipedia' from '/home/sbp/phenny/modules/wikipedia.py'> (version: 2007-05-14 08:46:39)
08:51:55 <sbp> .wik BILD
08:51:58 <phenny> "The Bild (formerly Bild-Zeitung, lit. Picture Newspaper) is a German daily tabloid (in style, although actually broadsheet in size) newspaper published by Axel Springer AG." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BILD
08:52:03 <bjoern_> right, I'd increase your karma if it weren't so high already!
08:52:10 <sbp> yay
08:52:25 <sbp> karma plateau
08:52:56 <cre8radix> hoi
08:53:16 <sbp> b'hoi m'hoi, kahama namiki cre8radix!
08:53:51 * cre8radix is wondering what tongue sbp is speakin
08:54:31 <Arnia> french
08:54:34 <bjoern_> hmm wikipedia revised it's `404` page
08:54:59 <cre8radix> kahama namiki...french... :P
08:55:23 <sbp> bjoern_: yeah, I noticed that too; the little box on the right
08:55:25 <sbp> a bit jarring
08:55:47 * cre8radix will make fun of the french people he knows
08:55:51 <bjoern_> I hate it they don't actually send status 404
08:56:09 <bjoern_> plenty of unwritten articles so always end up in my history
08:56:53 <sbp> yesterday I heard the idiom "fish and chip paper" to refer to yesterday's news for the first time that I recall... in two different places
08:57:15 <bjoern_> .gc "fish and chip paper"
08:57:17 <phenny> "fish and chip paper": 625
08:57:47 <JibberJim> whoa
08:57:50 <JibberJim> that's way too low!
08:57:59 <JibberJim> .g "fish & chip paper"
08:57:59 <sbp> huh, yeah
08:58:01 <phenny> "fish & chip paper": http://reverseswingmanifesto.blogspot.com/2006/11/tomorrows-fish-chip-paper.html
08:58:02 <JibberJim> .gc "fish & chip paper"
08:58:05 <phenny> "fish & chip paper": 157
08:58:20 <sbp> .gc "fish and chips"
08:58:23 <phenny> "fish and chips": 1,330,000
08:58:28 <bjoern_> .gc "fish & chip paper"
08:58:31 <phenny> "fish & chip paper": 0
08:58:42 <bjoern_> .gc "fish and chips paper"
08:58:44 <phenny> "fish and chips paper": 191
08:58:55 <sbp> .gc "chip paper"
08:58:57 <phenny> "chip paper": 27,400
09:01:42 <cre8radix> .gc "fish'n chips paper"
09:01:45 <phenny> "fish'n chips paper": 29
09:01:49 <cre8radix> hrhr
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09:57:31 <Arnia> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Z-machine480.jpg
10:30:18 <est> prime
10:36:14 <bjoern_> "Daimler sells Chrysler to private equity"
10:36:24 <bjoern_> so what should we call them this time?
10:40:26 <cre8radix> landminers
10:42:35 <bjoern_> @wunder Heidelberg
10:42:39 <supybot> bjoern_: Temperature: 65.5°F / 18.6°C | Humidity: 58% | Pressure: 29.80in / 1009.0hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: WSW | Wind Speed: 6.0mph / 9.7km/h | Updated: 12:03 PM CEST; Chance of Rain. High:71 ° F. / 22 ° C.; Chance of Rain. Low:46 ° F. / 8 ° C.; Chance of Rain. High:53 ° F. / 12 ° C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:41 ° F. / 5 ° C.; Scattered Clouds. High:66 ° F. / 19 ° C.; Chance of Rain. Low:50 ° F. (1 more message)
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11:02:53 <Monty> Thank goodness, jetscreamer is back!
11:02:55 <JibbyBot> Monty, no one likes you!
11:02:55 <Monty> Are you sure, no one likes I ?
11:02:55 <phenny> Be quiet, Monty.
11:02:57 <Monty> spammers, or somebody like that on
11:04:10 <deltab> Arnia: brings another meaning to Great Underground Empire
11:06:46 <Arnia> http://www.worldwidewords.org/weirdwords/ww-bod1.htm
11:10:27 <Arnia> [[[
11:10:29 <Arnia> Eden is set to put High Wycombe on the map as a fashionable and exciting place to be during the day and into the night. And with parking spaces for over 1500 cars and a brand new bus passenger interchange it couldnât be easier to get to either.
11:10:37 <Arnia> ]]] -- http://www.edenshopping.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&task=section&id=4&Itemid=26
11:11:28 <Arnia> [[[
11:11:29 <Arnia> With over 50 shops, including a fabulous, new four level House of Fraser department store and a two storey Marks and Spencer, Eden really will be the place to shop âtill you drop.
11:11:34 <Arnia> ]]] -- ibid
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11:13:25 <Arnia> I am reminded of Brave New World...
11:16:41 * Arnia shudders horribly
11:16:52 <Arnia> [[[
11:16:53 <Arnia> As part of the development at Eden, 48 apartments are being constructed to provide contemporary City Centre living.
11:17:03 <Arnia> ]]] -- http://www.edenshopping.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&task=section&id=6&Itemid=28
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11:20:23 <Arnia> [[[
11:20:27 <Arnia> Certain to fit perfectly into Eden is Pumpkin Patch offering a gorgeous selection of funky fashion for babies, toddler boys and girls, all the way through to pre-teens. Founded in New Zealand it is now a global brand with quality, inspirational design.
11:20:37 <Arnia> Next on the list is Office Shoes; notorious for providing top fashion styles with a designer edge. With only one other store within a 30 mile radius, their decision to be part of Eden is an exciting and exclusive one.
11:20:51 <Arnia> With its unique and highly distinctive identity, Monsoon has developed a strong brand which is recognised as a provider of individual design. As one of the UKâs most popular retailers, Monsoon offers sophisticated and stylish wear for women as well as modern, urban fashion for men and cute, classic styles for children.
11:21:03 <Arnia> The anticipation continues as global favourite Gap joins the line up. The new store will present a full range of branded products with an emphasis on contemporary fashionwear.
11:21:12 <Arnia> Finally, Accessorize wraps up this exceptional list of new names secured for Eden. The popular store will bring the latest up-to-the-minute jewellery, handbags, shoes and hair accessories with an original and distinct flavour.
11:21:41 <Arnia> ]]] -- http://www.edenshopping.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=9&Itemid=32
11:22:49 <Arnia> I actually want to vomit
11:22:56 <Arnia> Or to shove my fist in their face
11:23:10 <Arnia> I feel mentally violated by their descriptions
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14:10:49 <bjoern_> May 13: US military launches YouTune channel
14:10:49 <bjoern_> May 14: US military blocks access to YouTube
14:11:07 <bjoern_> (http://www.estripes.com/article.asp?section=104&article=45834)
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14:34:13 <bjoern_> "Web 2.0 'distracts good design'" -- http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/6653119.stm
14:34:36 <bjoern_> "o,rly?!"
14:36:06 <sbp> you omitted the most important that; that Nielsen was saying it
14:36:15 <sbp> er, fact
14:37:07 <sbp> The Fact That That "That" That You Call Fact Is In Fact That That "That" Might Better Be Renamed "Fact"
14:37:20 * bjoern_ does not agree that's important
14:37:39 <sbp> for most people it rather colours the fact
14:37:50 <sbp> either you love Nielsen or you hate him
14:37:55 * perigrin finds it ironic that Nielsen comments on good design.
14:38:02 <sbp> perigrin hates him
14:38:13 <perigrin> No, I think his sense of taste is appalling.
14:38:22 <sbp> that's what I mean by hate him
14:38:23 <perigrin> otherwise .... I found his book to be ... unsurprising.
14:38:41 <perigrin> I like Norman though.
14:38:43 <sbp> I don't mean that you would stab his ass to mutton if you ever came across him in the street
14:38:51 <perigrin> Ahh right.
14:38:55 <sbp> just that you would stab his book to mutton if you saw it in the library
14:39:05 <perigrin> Actually I own a copy.
14:39:11 <bjoern_> stabbed?
14:39:11 <sbp> premuttoned?
14:39:17 <perigrin> Un-muttoned.
14:39:20 <sbp> wow
14:39:23 <perigrin> I agree with most of what it says.
14:39:25 <sbp> such copies are rare
14:39:33 <perigrin> I just think you can do all of that and ... not be Ugly.
14:39:49 <perigrin> which I don't think Nielsen gets.
14:39:53 <sbp> yeah. but I guess that's why he's a usability expert and not a designer
14:39:57 <bjoern_> I don't think he preaches ugliness...
14:40:00 <sbp> which he actually says somewhere on his site...
14:40:20 <perigrin> bjoern_, have you *seen* the color scheme for the cover of his book?
14:40:27 <sbp> "I am not a visual designer, so my graphics would look crummy anyway. Since this website is created by myself (and not by a multidisciplinary team as I always recommend for large sites) I didn't want to spend money to hire an artist." - http://www.useit.com/about/nographics.html
14:41:08 <bjoern_> I hate books.
14:41:22 <bjoern_> You can't scroll, can't copy and paste, can't zoom, they are useless.
14:41:33 <sbp> not to mention grepping them or other search
14:41:43 <perigrin> I try not to hold him accountable for his lack of visual design ... *especially* now that I haven't done any myself in half a decade.
14:41:43 <sbp> unless you have a concordance, which is a kind of severely slow grep
14:42:00 <ido> sbp, mount my damn usb stick
14:42:08 <sbp> ido, make me
14:42:25 <ido> gmake sbp
14:42:29 <bjoern_> 'tis cybersex?
14:42:35 <sbp> No target found to make: 'sbp'
14:42:38 <ido> oops... ./configure sbp
14:42:45 <sbp> Configuring...
14:42:53 <sbp> Checking for brain..........................................brain not found
14:43:00 <sbp> Please get a brain before continuing to annoy me
14:43:23 <bjoern_> .g site:search.cpan.org Brain
14:43:24 <ido> >:[
14:43:26 <phenny> site:search.cpan.org Brain: http://search.cpan.org/src/INGY/Acme-YBFOD-0.11/YourBrainForOnceDude.pm
14:43:55 <sbp> "my @brains=Acme::Buffy::unslay([...])"?
14:44:06 <bjoern_> "This is probably the first module ever uploaded to CPAN over a wireless network in a London pub. Cheers!"
14:44:14 <perigrin> do you *really* want to know what's going on in the minds of the London.pm'ers?
14:44:28 <sbp> no...
14:45:00 <bjoern_> I will never truly know anything.
14:46:28 <perigrin> .gsite:search.cpan.org Dahut
14:46:32 <perigrin> bah
14:46:37 <perigrin> .g site:search.cpan.org Dahut
14:46:39 <phenny> perigrin: http://search.cpan.org/~rberjon/Acme-Dahut-0.42/Dahut.pm
14:46:43 <perigrin> for the want of a space the war was lost.
14:46:50 *** bjoern_ changed the topic to: ""Most people just want to get in, get it and get out" -- Jakob Nielsen"
14:47:28 <bjoern_> oh he mentions boo.com, which has been resurrected recently
14:47:39 <sbp> .wik boo.com
14:47:41 <phenny> "Boo.com was a United Kingdom Internet company founded by Ernst Malmsten, Kajsa Leander and Patrik Hedelin that famously went bust following the dot-com boom of the late 1990s." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boo.com
14:47:52 <bjoern_> We need a .news
14:48:09 <darobin> boo.com is back?
14:48:16 <sbp> "2nd May 2007 - Web Reservations International brought boo.com back in web 2.0 style. It is now a travel site with destination reviews, sightseeing, bars and restaurant listings and reviews and places to stay. An interesting feature is that you can book on boo or directly with the hotel. Have looked for miss boo in the boo crew but can't see her. www.boo.com/boo_crew" - from Wikipedia
14:48:22 <darobin> wow
14:48:41 <bjoern_> e.g. http://p5.tech.re4.yahoo.com/blogs/null/25906
14:48:50 <bjoern_> p5.tech.re4???
14:49:08 <sbp> awesome, it doesn't work
14:49:38 <darobin> "Rest assured it isn't round two for the clothing business. The domain name has changed hands and will now turn into a hotel booking site. I guess "boo" stands for "booking" now instead of standing for, uh, nothing."
14:49:41 <darobin> works here
14:49:44 <sbp> that is, their search form doesn't work when you enter something and search
14:49:46 <darobin> love the /null/ too
14:50:01 <bjoern_> taboo?
14:50:13 <sbp> .gc spizzank
14:50:17 <phenny> spizzank: 99
14:50:20 <perigrin> boo-ts and more
14:50:29 <sbp> .gc booughts
14:50:32 <phenny> booughts: 4
14:51:03 <sbp> interesting: apparently the site is about me! "a new type of travel site that's all about you!"
14:51:03 <darobin> reminds me of that fine era, and its jokes
14:51:11 <sbp> this after being Time Person of the Year
14:51:23 <perigrin> sbp, you are a lucky lucky man
14:51:26 <darobin> "How do you scare an investor?" "You say 'BOO.COM!'"
14:51:29 <sbp> isn't it great?
14:53:18 <darobin> I can't figure out how to find bars in Paris
14:53:30 <sbp> ask a gendarme
14:53:36 <darobin> on the site I meant
14:53:46 <darobin> and there are no gendarmes inside Paris of course :)
14:53:46 <sbp> ask a gendarme ON THE SITE
14:54:04 <bjoern_> hmm Endemol sold
14:54:11 <darobin> can't find a gendarme on the site, it must be hosted in an urban area
14:54:26 <sbp> silly boo.com
14:54:34 <darobin> to Berlusconi!!!!!!
14:54:55 * Arnia cries
14:54:57 <bjoern_> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/6654347.stm doesn't say that.
14:54:57 <sbp> .wik Endemol
14:55:00 <perigrin> bjoern_, were you the one that generated the DAHUT regexp for me?
14:55:00 <phenny> "Endemol (Euronext: EML) is a television production company based in the Netherlands, with subsidiaries and joint ventures in 23 countries, including the United Kingdom, the United States, Mexico, Spain, Italy, Germany, Argentina, Poland, Netherlands, India, South [...]" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endemol
14:55:02 <Arnia> Wait... they sold Endermol?
14:55:05 <Arnia> yikes
14:55:07 <bjoern_> I was perigrin
14:55:15 <perigrin> I need to give you credit.
14:55:18 <perigrin> http://search.cpan.org/src/PERIGRIN/Acme-Dahut-Call-0.01/lib/Acme/Dahut/Call/Identifier.pm
14:55:21 * Arnia grabs sbp and puts him to use on debugging prolog
14:55:23 <sbp> "Mediaset, controlled by the family of former Italian Premier Silvio Berlusconi, is part of the consortium."
14:55:28 <darobin> bjoern_: it's been sold to Mediaset
14:55:39 <sbp> no programming for me. see my rant yesterday
14:56:16 * Arnia grabs sbp and puts him to use justifying ubicomp on the basis of making technology invisible and not requiring degrees to live your life
14:56:28 <Arnia> I'll grab dmiles later :p
14:56:38 <sbp> so why do we all care that the production company behind the shittiest TV programme currently in existence has been sold to a company controlled by the family of an increasingly forgotten Italian politician?
14:56:48 <sbp> .g ubicomp
14:56:50 <phenny> sbp: http://www.ubicomp2007.org/
14:56:51 <darobin> because they have influence
14:57:04 <darobin> and Berlusconi is not forgotten, he'll be back
14:57:07 <bjoern_> excellent! I perhaps should finish the tool to produce the regex...
14:57:08 <sbp> so now they have influence on Big Brother
14:57:10 <darobin> probably back in power too
14:57:26 <darobin> sbp: isn't that a scary thought? it's not exactly a dream alliance...
14:57:28 <sbp> ooh, ubicomp
14:57:43 <sbp> true, it is sorta scary...
14:58:04 <sbp> perhaps he wants to go on it next time round
14:58:07 <darobin> do you really need that regex to match dahut? what were the constraints?
14:58:19 <sbp> Shilpa vs. Berlusconi, smackdown
14:58:45 <sbp> wow, that's some regexp
14:59:04 <sbp> daaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhht
14:59:12 <sbp> sucks though
14:59:34 <perigrin> yeah I don't know why he's gotten so quiet.
14:59:52 <sbp> dahut: be thou not quiet
14:59:53 <dahut> sbp: OK I will try to be thou not quiet.
15:00:02 <Arnia> Ok, ALC is working
15:00:03 <darobin> perigrin: I love the description text, but you have placeholder stuff in there!
15:00:07 <sbp> dahut: be thou LOUD LIKE A BASTARD ON WHACKFIZZ
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15:00:08 <Monty> howdy, cre8radix
15:00:08 <dahut> sbp: OK I will try to be thou LOUD LIKE A BASTARD ON WHACKFIZZ.
15:00:12 <Arnia> Time to do ALCQ
15:00:24 <perigrin> darobin, 0.01 ... I've already got 0.02 setup for release.
15:00:25 * Arnia loves the sense behind description logic names
15:00:43 <darobin> excellent!
15:01:04 <Arnia> AL is Attribute Logic; ALC is Attribute Logic with Complements; ALCQ is Attribute Logic with Complements and Qualified number constraints
15:01:14 <sbp> dahut: be thou soft, I plead thee, soft as you were any squeaking harvest mouse soft-muffled with the boarding fluff of a churchwarden's loftage
15:01:15 <dahut> sbp: OK I will try to be thou soft you plead thee soft as me were any squeaking harvest mouse soft muffled with the boarding fluff of a churchwarden s loftage.
15:01:15 <cre8radix> booyah, monty
15:01:17 <Monty> Bowser's uncle fondles lazy screwdriver?
15:01:21 <cre8radix> lame... monty
15:01:22 <Monty> L1T:symbian symbian-signed
15:01:23 <cre8radix> nuttin happenin?
15:01:28 <cre8radix> got it
15:01:45 <darobin> Monty: DAAAAAAAHUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUT!!!!!!!!
15:01:46 <Monty> >:[
15:01:50 <darobin> heh
15:01:53 <sbp> hehe
15:01:54 <Arnia> cre8radix: you should experiment with a markov chain model
15:02:33 <sbp> dahut: be thou argumentative to my humble requests?
15:02:40 * cre8radix tries to find out wtf that is
15:02:49 <darobin> Monty: wtf!
15:02:50 <Monty> huh, yeah exactly
15:02:55 <dahut> sbp: OK I will try to be thou argumentative to your humble requests.
15:03:04 <cre8radix> .wiki markov chain model
15:03:07 <sbp> dahut: stop being a jerkdonkus
15:03:11 <dahut> sbp: OK I'll try not to do it so much.
15:03:14 <Arnia> What is dahut's model?
15:03:14 <sbp> thanks
15:03:16 <cre8radix> .wik markov chain model
15:03:18 <phenny> "Wiktionary (a free dictionary) Wikibooks (free textbooks) Wikiquote (quotations) Wikisource (a free library) Commons (images and media) Wikinews (free news source)" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Markov_chain_model
15:03:20 <darobin> dahut: your language skills are truly something to be reckoned with
15:03:20 <dahut> darobin: How are your language skills?
15:03:27 <darobin> dahut: better than yours
15:03:28 <dahut> darobin: Perhaps better, but not perfectly.
15:03:28 <Arnia> .wik markov chain
15:03:31 <phenny> "In mathematics, a Markov chain, named after Andrey Markov, is a discrete-time stochastic process with the Markov property." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Markov_chain
15:03:38 <darobin> dahut: I can assure you that they are perfectly better
15:03:39 <dahut> darobin: Oh you can, can you?
15:03:44 <perigrin> Arnia, he's an AIML bot (currently).
15:03:46 <darobin> dahut: yes I can, just ask Monty
15:03:46 <dahut> darobin: How? Oh you can, can you?
15:03:54 <perigrin> well *mostly* an AIML bot.
15:03:56 <sbp> wikipedia.py needs a fixin'
15:03:56 * Arnia screams and stabs dahut
15:03:58 <Monty> mostly coaching soccer and media) Wikinews (free textbooks) Wikiquote (quotations) Wikisource (a free dictionary) Wikibooks (free news for his lack of saul he's still in with destination reviews, sightseeing, bars and restaurant listings and simple
15:04:03 <bjoern_> oh my, http://www.andybudd.com/archives/2007/05/css22/ - can't they post an executive summaries instead of the whole things?
15:04:03 <darobin> dahut: you can ask him by talking to him
15:04:03 <dahut> darobin: No I don't think I can do it.
15:04:10 * Arnia doesn't like AIML :(
15:04:14 <darobin> dahut: then you're a moronic bot
15:04:15 <dahut> darobin: Fascinating. Thanks and you are a delightful person too. Am I a moronic bot? No.
15:04:18 <Arnia> fscking finite state
15:04:30 <darobin> Arnia: look, he likes being a moron okay
15:04:32 <perigrin> Arnia, I'm going about fixing that ... but probably not in a way that you'd like :)
15:04:43 <Arnia> ...
15:04:56 <Arnia> perigrin: LET THE SYNTAX WARS (RE-)COMMENCE! FOOL!
15:04:57 <darobin> dahut: I'm afraid you are indeed moronic
15:04:58 <dahut> darobin: Not literally afraid, right? You believe that? Why are you moronic.
15:05:00 * perigrin found a variation on AIML that has fascinated him.
15:05:07 * Arnia gets his stockpile of nukes ready
15:05:08 <darobin> dahut: bastard
15:05:09 <dahut> darobin: Thanks and you are a delightful person too. No.
15:05:17 * darobin gives up
15:05:21 <darobin> dahut: will you marry me?
15:05:24 <dahut> darobin: Too much recursion in AIML.
15:05:28 <darobin> YES!
15:05:29 <Arnia> I see your AIML variation and raise you one construction grammar
15:05:37 <darobin> darobin for teh winnr!!!!!11
15:05:52 <perigrin> heh
15:05:56 <Arnia> cre8radix: so, what is your academic vice?
15:06:20 <cre8radix> well
15:06:34 <perigrin> darobin, you broke him in a way I didn't think was possible anymore ... congrats.
15:06:36 <cre8radix> do what thou willst...
15:06:55 <darobin> perigrin: it's always on the same question, it's reliable for debugging
15:07:57 <perigrin> strangely I thought though I'd fixed it ... :/
15:08:49 <cre8radix> Arnia: i would call it absence of kismet
15:09:02 <cre8radix> freedom of choice
15:09:25 <perigrin> dahut, will you mary me?
15:09:26 <dahut> perigrin: No.
15:09:39 <bjoern_> dahut, why not?
15:09:42 <dahut> bjoern_: Ambiguous: "Sure" or ""? Why?
15:09:54 <bjoern_> dahut, .
15:09:55 <dahut> bjoern_: Ambiguous: "Sure" or ""? Why?
15:10:10 <bjoern_> Well I tried to clarify it dahut...
15:10:15 <Arnia> cre8radix: mmm... I was more referring to what fields of study you specialise in
15:10:32 <cre8radix> konkretik
15:10:44 <cre8radix> .wik konkretik
15:10:47 <phenny> "Wiktionary (a free dictionary) Wikibooks (free textbooks) Wikiquote (quotations) Wikisource (a free library) Commons (images and media) Wikinews (free news source)" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konkretik
15:10:55 <Arnia> .g konkretik
15:10:58 <phenny> Arnia: http://konkretik.org/
15:11:27 <darobin> dahut: will you marry me?
15:11:27 <dahut> darobin: Barring any unforseen circumstances.
15:11:29 <cre8radix> it's in german tho
15:11:40 <darobin> oooh, it used to always fail, there's been progress
15:11:48 <darobin> dahut: will you sleep with me?
15:11:49 <dahut> darobin: Barring any unforseen circumstances. No. I always sleep alone.
15:11:49 <cre8radix> the universal language of konkretik is tacheles
15:11:56 <cre8radix> .wik tacheles
15:11:58 <phenny> "Wiktionary (a free dictionary) Wikibooks (free textbooks) Wikiquote (quotations) Wikisource (a free library) Commons (images and media) Wikinews (free news source)" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tacheles
15:12:05 <darobin> Monty: will you sleep with me?
15:12:08 <Monty> be back in our flagship site: (ljworld.com)
15:12:32 <perigrin> darobin, I cheated and fixed that exact phrase :)
15:12:42 <darobin> hehe
15:12:45 <bjoern_> phenny, "Die Redewendung Tacheles reden stammt aus dem Jiddischen und heisst so viel wie direkt die unverbluemte Wahrheit sagen"?
15:12:50 <phenny> bjoern_: "The idiom Tacheles originates from Jiddi and is called as much talksas directly the unverbluemte truth says" (de)
15:12:50 <Arnia> cre8radix: ERROR, knowledge not found. This fails to explain anything to me; please try to rephrase your meme.
15:12:54 * darobin thinks sex in Kansas is probably a bad idea
15:13:04 <sbp> phenny: reload wikipedia
15:13:06 <phenny> sbp: <module 'modules.wikipedia' from '/home/sbp/phenny/modules/wikipedia.py'> (version: 2007-05-14 15:07:53)
15:13:10 <cre8radix> .wik tachles
15:13:13 <phenny> "The requested page title was invalid, empty, an incorrectly linked inter-language or inter-wiki title, or contained unsupported characters." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Z%C3%BCrich
15:13:18 <cre8radix> fuc
15:13:20 <cre8radix> ok
15:13:28 * perigrin thinks sex anywhere wouldn't be a bad idea if he were with the right person.
15:13:38 <Arnia> Monty: acronym fuc
15:13:38 <Monty> "FUC" - funky Updated: colleague
15:13:46 <sbp> .wik muffage
15:13:47 <Arnia> A Funky Updated Colleague
15:13:49 <phenny> "The following is a list of episodes in Thomas Pynchon's Gravity's Rainbow." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_episodes_in_Gravity's_Rainbow
15:14:00 <sbp> .wik konkretik
15:14:03 <darobin> yeah, sure, but isn't anything other than totally standard missionary illegal in Kansas?
15:14:04 <phenny> Can't find anything in Wikipedia for "konkretik".
15:14:20 <sbp> Monty and dahut, sitting in a tree
15:14:21 <Monty> freedom of fuel?
15:14:37 <perigrin> darobin, with as much farmland as they have ... even if it's not they can't really catch you easily.
15:14:40 <Arnia> Hm... bloody tableaux calculus
15:15:24 <perigrin> dahut and monty sitting in a tree, k-i-s-s-i-n-g
15:15:24 <dahut> perigrin: What were we talking about again?
15:15:25 <darobin> perigrin: good point
15:15:25 <Monty> crash-helmet is chewy and xenophobic!
15:15:26 <cre8radix> .wik neoist
15:15:28 <phenny> "Neoism refers both to a specific subcultural network of artistic performance and media experimentalists and more generally to a practical underground philosophy." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoist
15:15:45 <cre8radix> Arnika: that's kind of like it
15:15:55 <cre8radix> .wik dadaism
15:15:57 <phenny> "Dada or Dadaism is a cultural movement that began in neutral Zürich, Switzerland, during World War I and peaked from 1916 to 1920." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dadaism
15:16:23 <sbp> dahut and Monty sitting in a tree, c-a-l-c-u-l-a-t-i-n-g
15:16:25 <Monty> household is trisexual and quinquagenerian >:)
15:16:26 <dahut> sbp: How did you hear about Bender?
15:16:40 * sbp points to perigrin
15:17:11 <cre8radix> .w neoism
15:17:14 <phenny> I couldn't find 'neoism' in WordNet.
15:17:23 <cre8radix> i thought so
15:17:31 <cre8radix> .w neoist
15:17:33 <darobin> hey I'm a neoist and I didn't even know it :)
15:17:33 <phenny> I couldn't find 'neoist' in WordNet.
15:17:39 <Arnia> Oh I know Dadaism
15:17:55 * Arnia whines and beers
15:18:02 <cre8radix> hrhr
15:18:12 <Arnia> I could vodka, but that would be going too far at this time of day
15:18:18 <Arnia> Then again, I am sitting in a pub
15:18:47 <cre8radix> Arnia: gonna stop by the richmix riva on may 18th?
15:18:56 <bjoern_> what time of the day could it be, for it to be the wrong time for vodka!?!
15:19:09 <sbp> 2:31pm
15:19:10 <darobin> you might get whiskyed away
15:19:14 <Arnia> Doubtful... I cannot spare a moment at the moment. 'Tis conference submission season.
15:19:15 * sbp groans
15:19:30 <darobin> straight into the cosmo with a white russian
15:19:38 <Arnia> bjoern_: We have a 'nice' 88% abv vodka here
15:19:47 <sbp> s/nice/neat/
15:19:58 <Arnia> And two varieties of 89% absinthe
15:20:07 * Arnia avoids these
15:20:13 <darobin> ouch, absinth
15:20:16 <sbp> "Evaporates in your glass, not in your mouth."
15:20:17 <darobin> I shall not touch this agfain
15:20:32 <cre8radix> Arnia: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-jijjyuPhQ
15:21:24 <cre8radix> Arnia: i'm espian mantra officer
15:21:27 <Arnia> darobin: we have proper spoons and everything though... for those who enjoy absinthe in a variety of styles
15:21:43 <sbp> .gc "Melon Collie"
15:21:46 <phenny> "Melon Collie": 18,800
15:21:47 <Arnia> We also have ice creams at the moment... I wonder if I can combine them
15:22:01 <bjoern_> absinthe and ice cream?
15:22:11 <Arnia> bjoern_: indeed... cornettos too
15:22:16 <sbp> .gc "Absinthe ice cream"
15:22:19 <phenny> "Absinthe ice cream": 296
15:22:20 <sbp> .gc "Absinthe cornetto"
15:22:20 <bjoern_> maybe you can... but shouldn't you ask whether you should?
15:22:22 <phenny> "Absinthe cornetto": 0
15:22:31 <Arnia> ... for now
15:22:45 <bjoern_> Cornetto is langnese ice cream?
15:22:58 <Arnia> .g cornetto
15:23:01 <phenny> Arnia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornetto_(ice-cream)
15:23:06 <Arnia> .wik cornetto
15:23:09 <phenny> "Cornetto may refer to" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornetto
15:23:14 <Arnia> m
15:23:19 <bjoern_> .wik Langnese
15:23:21 <phenny> "Langnese, owned by the Anglo-Dutch company Unilever, is the number one producer of ice cream products in Germany." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Langnese
15:23:52 <Arnia> Well, Walls (which is Unilever too)
15:24:01 <Arnia> SAUSAGES!
15:24:11 * Arnia lobs a cumberland at sbp
15:24:41 <sbp> mama don't take my Kodachrome
15:25:09 <Arnia> cre8radix: are you at all affiliated to monochrom?
15:25:33 <Arnia> (not necessarily directly, but in terms of style)
15:26:36 <bjoern_> .gc stereochrome
15:26:38 <phenny> stereochrome: 745
15:28:16 <cre8radix> Arnia: kinda
15:29:27 <cre8radix> Arnia: the taugshow just happened in berlin aboard the c-base
15:30:13 <cre8radix> http://www.monochrom.at/taugshow/taugshow10.htm
15:32:16 <Arnia> Monochrom increases the temptation of moving to Vienna you see
15:32:27 <Arnia> Although I probably can't :p
15:32:41 <cre8radix> hm
15:32:44 <cre8radix> why not?
15:32:59 <Arnia> Because of my career
15:33:23 <Arnia> I have to go to universities which have research groups in my area... at least for the next few years
15:34:26 <cre8radix> i c
15:34:56 <cre8radix> .wik immaterialism
15:34:58 <phenny> "Immaterialism is the theory propounded by Bishop Berkeley in the 18th century which holds that there are no material objects, only minds and ideas in those minds." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immaterialism
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15:39:30 <Arnia> .g quantum mechanics NLP
15:39:32 <phenny> Arnia: http://www.working4me.com/
15:39:37 <Arnia> grr...
15:39:43 <Arnia> .g joseph chen
15:39:46 <phenny> Arnia: http://www-rcf.usc.edu/~josephsc/
15:40:12 <Arnia> http://citeseer.ist.psu.edu/chen02quantum.html
15:40:18 <Arnia> ^^ that's correct :p
15:40:22 <Arnia> also
15:40:29 <Arnia> .wik transactional interpretation
15:40:32 <phenny> "The transactional interpretation of quantum mechanics (TIQM) is an unusual interpretation of quantum mechanics that describes quantum interactions in terms of a standing wave formed by retarded (forward-in-time) and advanced (backward-in-time) waves." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transactional_interpretation
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15:42:21 <Arnia> Hm... I'm glad my supervisor isn't English
15:43:04 <cre8radix> hrhr
15:49:41 <Arnia> Although said labels don't seem to do much
15:49:55 <Arnia> (at the moment)
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16:25:07 <Monty> Speak of the devil, it's bancus!
16:26:11 <bancus> You got that right, Monty.
16:26:13 <Monty> straight into Eden is awesome
16:28:41 <sbp> phenny: ask xover what's up with this? http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Finamidst.com%2Fmisc%2Fnetscapedtd&charset=%28detect+automatically%29&doctype=Inline&ss=1
16:28:43 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when xover is around.
16:30:12 <sbp> heh, heh
16:31:25 * crschmidt seems to remember this flame war
16:32:53 <sbp> odd thing is, though, it was apparently removed from the catalogue mappings ages ago
16:32:54 <sbp> http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/validator/htdocs/sgml-lib/sgml.soc.diff?r1=text&tr1=1.7&r2=text&tr2=1.8&f=u
16:33:03 <sbp> --- validator/htdocs/sgml-lib/sgml.soc 2004/09/12 20:27:36 1.7
16:33:04 <sbp> +++ validator/htdocs/sgml-lib/sgml.soc 2004/09/12 20:30:46 1.8
16:33:29 <sbp> yet Knuth complained in 2005-09
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16:33:51 <crschmidt> Maybe he lives in a 1 year time warp
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16:34:10 <sbp> maybe so...
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16:38:54 <bjoern_> Make a test case that actually uses something allowed only there, not in HTML 4.01 Trans?
16:39:44 <bjoern_> <nobr> for example
16:39:49 <crschmidt> (It's also possible that he just doesn't change the pages that often.)
16:40:31 <bjoern_> It's certainly true that the complaint came some time after the change went public
16:40:39 <bjoern_> you should check the release logs rather than the cvs logs though
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16:42:46 <sbp> bjoern_: done, refresh the validator link
16:42:49 <sbp> comes up invalid now
16:43:23 <bjoern_> so it meant what it said, saying "No DOCTYPE found! Attempting validation with HTML 4.01 Transitional."
16:43:35 <bjoern_> citing the fpi is weird of course
16:43:54 <bjoern_> also happens in their beta, http://validator-test.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Finamidst.com%2Fmisc%2Fnetscapedtd&charset=%28detect+automatically%29&doctype=Inline&ss=1
16:45:09 <sbp> no mention of a different doctype being used there at all
16:45:18 <crschmidt> What's an FPI?
16:45:26 <bjoern_> Formal Public Identifier
16:45:31 <crschmidt> Ah.
16:45:31 <bjoern_> the "-//..." string
16:45:39 <crschmidt> Yeah
16:45:54 <sbp> it formally identifies the dtd. publically
16:46:06 <crschmidt> OH RLY?
16:46:10 <sbp> hehe
16:46:27 <sbp> YOU HAS INVISIBLE OWL?
16:46:36 <bjoern_> I have privacy concerns about publically identifying private matters such as doctype choice.
16:46:51 <bjoern_> With respect to doctypes I am pro-choice, but afraid of saying so.
16:47:32 <sbp> I think we should all use schematron
16:47:42 * crschmidt schemes your tron
16:47:45 <crschmidt> I like tron.
16:47:49 <sbp> heh
16:48:12 <bjoern_> Last I tried to use schematron I got rather disappointed.
16:48:24 <sbp> why's that?
16:51:20 <bjoern_> I don't quite remember the details, but I think I wanted to do `every $ref in //ref/@name satisfies //define/@name = $ref` and found schematron can't express that.
16:51:43 <bjoern_> also, all schematron implementations I tried sucked donkey balls
16:52:02 <bjoern_> and the specification is not all that easy to read
16:52:55 <sbp> ah, fair enough
16:52:59 <sbp> I like the concept though
16:53:08 <bjoern_> (intuitively schematron should be able to do the above, so it might have been something else)
16:53:35 <bjoern_> Yeah, I then used XSLT for validation...
17:06:44 <Jabberwock> Do you guys know of an RSS feed that lists up-to-date dnsbl hosts?
17:07:04 <Jabberwock> there needs to be one if there isn't. I can't find any
17:15:05 <darobin> schematron can do the above
17:15:35 <darobin> schematron sucks when it's your only validation language because expressing an entire schema is a pita
17:15:49 <darobin> but as a bit alongside RNG, I quite liked it
17:16:11 <darobin> I think we use it at Joost
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17:28:28 * Arnia boings
17:29:42 * thelsdj gniobs
17:29:47 <Arnia> Right, have tableaux rules for ALCS... time to add Q
17:29:58 <xover> sbp: What am I looking at, exactly?
17:30:01 <phenny> xover: 16:23Z <sbp> ask xover what's up with this? http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Finamidst.com%2Fmisc%2Fnetscapedtd&charset=%28detect+automatically%29&doctype=Inline&ss=1
17:31:45 <xover> The Netscape and other proprietary stuff was removed ages ago to please my sense of æstethics (and so I wouldn't have to maintain the junk no more).
17:32:33 <xover> The lack of a warning about the fallback doctype in the latest beta is clearly a bug, though. File it in the Bugzilla?
17:32:34 <sbp> xover: why wasn't it restored after Knuth complained?
17:32:40 <xover> URL?
17:32:51 <sbp> linked from the test page. hang on...
17:32:59 <sbp> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-validator/2005Sep/0052
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17:33:41 <sbp> it was one of the greatest flames in the history of mankind
17:33:46 <sbp> I printed it out and put it on my wall
17:38:26 * Arnia eats sbp's wall
17:38:42 * sbp feeds Arnia bird's nest soup
17:38:59 * Arnia defines sbp in FL-
17:39:12 * Arnia laughs maniacally
17:39:34 * sbp cunctates Arnia's transactional interpretations
17:39:46 <Arnia> NOOO! THE HORROR!
17:39:53 * Arnia throws Monty at sbp
17:39:53 <Monty> juckjuck
17:39:53 <sbp> hehe, sorry. that was perhaps a bit too far
17:40:03 * sbp ducks the juckjuck
17:40:13 <Arnia> .wik juckjuck
17:40:16 <phenny> Can't find anything in Wikipedia for "juckjuck".
17:40:21 <Arnia> .g juckjuck
17:40:21 <sbp> .gc juckjuck
17:40:24 <phenny> Arnia: http://www.phantomsurfers.xmgfree.com/forums/index.php?showuser=224
17:40:24 <phenny> juckjuck: 715
17:40:32 <sbp> sounds like something jcowan would say
17:40:58 <Arnia> Apparently a blacksmith
17:41:22 <sbp> I wonder where the smiths for all the other colours went?
17:41:28 <sbp> gold and silver got a good showing...
17:41:38 <sbp> .compare bluesmith greensmith whitesmith yellowsmith redsmith
17:41:40 <Arnia> I want a pucesmith
17:41:41 <phenny> whitesmith (215,000), greensmith (121,000), redsmith (6,430), bluesmith (778), yellowsmith (71)
17:41:46 <Arnia> Or a palatinatesmith
17:42:05 <sbp> .compare orangesmith pucesmith cochinealsmith azuresmith brownsmith
17:42:08 <phenny> brownsmith (13,300), orangesmith (31), azuresmith (1), pucesmith (0), cochinealsmith (0)
17:42:41 <Arnia> .compare palatinatesmith, royalbluesmith, skybluesmith, springgreensmith, goldenrodsmith
17:42:45 <phenny> skybluesmith, (1,100), springgreensmith, (0), royalbluesmith, (0), palatinatesmith, (0), goldenrodsmith (0)
17:42:46 <sbp> .compare purplesmith mauvesmith indigosmith palatinatesmith pinksmith
17:42:50 <phenny> pinksmith (755), purplesmith (283), indigosmith (10), palatinatesmith (0), mauvesmith (0)
17:42:50 * Arnia has his crayola box open
17:44:37 <xover> .head http://www-cs-faculty.stanford.edu/~knuth/
17:44:39 <phenny> Status: 200 (for more, try ".head uri header")
17:44:52 <xover> Meh.
17:45:02 <crschmidt> .valid http://www-cs-faculty.stanford.edu/~knuth/
17:45:12 <Arnia> .compare badger penguin seagull monty
17:45:12 <Monty> Does talking about this bother you ?
17:45:15 <phenny> penguin (36,000,000), monty (21,600,000), badger (17,000,000), seagull (6,620,000)
17:45:17 <Monty> kahama namiki...french... :P
17:45:29 <xover> [[[
17:45:29 <xover> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"
17:45:29 <xover> "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/loose.dtd">
17:45:29 <xover> ]]] — http://www-cs-faculty.stanford.edu/~knuth/
17:45:33 <crschmidt> .validate http://www-cs-faculty.stanford.edu/~knuth/
17:45:34 <xover> ...is why.
17:45:36 <sbp> .compare vermilionsmith crimsonsmith greysmith cyansmith scarletsmith
17:45:37 <phenny> http://www-cs-faculty.stanford.edu/~knuth/ is Valid
17:45:41 <phenny> greysmith (33,500), scarletsmith (2,200), crimsonsmith (7), cyansmith (1), vermilionsmith (0)
17:45:43 <Arnia> I think we can take this as definitive proof that penguins are superior
17:45:48 <sbp> yeah, I know he changed them; it says later in the thread
17:46:18 <bpt> .compare snowsmith oldlacesmith papayawhipsmith blanchedalmondsmith peachpuffsmith mintcreamsmith lavenderblushsmith
17:46:21 <phenny> bpt: Sorry, can only compare up to five terms or phrases.
17:46:25 <sbp> but that still means the goalposts have moved for anyone else using that doctype
17:46:45 <xover> If Knuth can be persuaded to bend his ways to my lazyness, all's well with the world.
17:47:17 <crschmidt> sbp: The problem is the goal was at midfield
17:47:24 <sbp> chuckle
17:47:39 <sbp> damn, this is way too much like that recent QDB quote
17:47:52 <sbp> "you just reached me on a level that i never thought possible"
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17:48:29 <crschmidt> cf http://bash.org/?761414
17:48:33 <sbp> yeah
17:48:59 <sbp> I maintain my protest, but I won't go so far as to convert all my pages to use the old stupid proprietary dtd
17:50:04 <xover> Feel free. So long as you include a system identifier, the Validator will happily process them.
17:50:12 <sbp> ooh
17:50:18 * sbp puts it to ye olde test
17:50:38 <sbp> (using http://inamidst.com/misc/html-mcom.dtd)
17:50:49 * xover brings out his salt shaker and readies his hat... :-)
17:51:54 <sbp> ...
17:51:56 <sbp> "Failed validation, 0 error"
17:52:07 <xover> hmm.
17:52:11 <Arnia> THERE IS NO DATA!
17:52:17 <xover> prolly an error in the dtd
17:52:24 <xover> we filter those out
17:52:32 <xover> hmm.
17:52:40 <Arnia> (sorry, it was an error in the Playstation 2 BIOS... no disc gives that error)
17:52:54 <sbp> that's in the old validator
17:52:56 <sbp> new one says:
17:52:57 <sbp> Line 90, Column 0: cannot generate system identifier for public text "-//IETF//ENTITIES Added Latin 1 for HTML//EN
17:53:03 <sbp> Line 91, Column 0: reference to entity "ISOlat1" for which no system identifier could be generated .
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17:53:54 <xover> Try: ISO 8879-1986//ENTITIES Added Latin 1//EN
17:54:17 <sbp> how do I include it?
17:54:25 <xover> Edit the DTD.
17:54:26 <sbp> or shall I modify the DTD?
17:54:28 <sbp> ah
17:54:32 <bjoern_> PLEASE UNSUBSCRIBE ME FROM YOUR CHANNEL, I CAN'T STAND ALL THE SGML NOISE !!1
17:54:44 <sbp> hehe
17:54:56 <xover> It might be usefull to include an entry for that FPI in the catalog.
17:57:12 <sbp> er... it's still complaining about the same thing
17:57:25 <sbp> even though I changed the URI of the input and the DTD, so it's unlikely to be cached
17:57:51 <sbp> so, same error messages; still grumbling about "-//IETF//ENTITIES Added Latin 1 for HTML//EN"
17:58:21 <sbp> relevant part of the DTD has been changed to:
17:58:21 <sbp> <!-- "-//IETF//ENTITIES Added Latin 1 for HTML//EN" -->
17:58:21 <sbp> <!ENTITY % ISOlat1 PUBLIC
17:58:21 <sbp> "ISO 8879-1986//ENTITIES Added Latin 1//EN"
17:58:21 <sbp> %ISOlat1;
17:58:38 <sbp> oh, missing a >
17:59:30 <sbp> it's still grumbling at me
18:00:09 <sbp> ah, moved it about a bit and whee! it works
18:00:17 <sbp> This Page Is Valid -//Netscape Comm. Corp.//DTD HTML//EN!
18:02:38 * xover brushes off his hatr and puts it away with a flourish...
18:04:00 <sbp> :-)
18:04:02 <sbp> ta
18:05:51 <sbp> .compare vermillion cochineal scarlet crimson red
18:05:55 <phenny> red (584,000,000), crimson (21,400,000), scarlet (19,700,000), vermillion (3,460,000), cochineal (401,000)
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18:24:39 <sbp> .gc "The traditional way to make edible glue."
18:24:42 <phenny> "The traditional way to make edible glue.": 0
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18:57:18 <JibberJim> "He also confirmed that the 12 points Malta awarded UK entry Scooch - over half their final total - was a protest at the way so many countries vote for their neighbours.
19:01:00 <sbp> odd way to protest. not that I'm complaining!
19:01:17 <sbp> .g "He also confirmed that the 12 points Malta awarded UK entry Scooch"
19:01:19 <phenny> "He also confirmed that the 12 points Malta awarded UK entry Scooch": sorry, no results were found.
19:01:24 <JibberJim> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/6654719.stm
19:02:26 <sbp> hehe: "It may be the strangest reason for ending a war but if you want to win the Eurovision Song Contest again, bring the boys home."
19:02:51 <sbp> oh man, and Wogan... "I've said it so many times it has become a cliche. We won the Cold War but we lost the Eurovision."
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19:16:09 <Monty> lo pixel_
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19:25:32 <bjoern_> It's somewhat funny really, a few years ago when I lived right next to the danish border, it was quite common that some groups crossed the border and voted in denmark for germany...
19:25:47 <bjoern_> It didn't help us much though...
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19:58:43 <bjoern_> .gc Logikwolke
19:58:46 <phenny> Logikwolke: 195
20:04:03 <Mike_L> does anyone here know how, in JavaScript, to store a reference to a method inside a closure?
20:04:56 <bjoern_> JavaScript does not have methods, but there should be no difference to storing anything else?
20:05:04 <JibberJim> referenceToMethod=Method
20:05:14 <JibberJim> possibly with a var ...
20:06:24 <Mike_L> I'm so confused
20:06:32 <deltab> Mike_L: bound t an instance, you mean?
20:06:37 <deltab> ^to
20:07:13 <Mike_L> bjoern_: it seems that JavaScript does or did have methods: http://javascript.crockford.com/inheritance.html
20:07:58 <bjoern_> Some people pretend JavaScript has methods.
20:08:50 <deltab> it doesn't have bound methods like python has
20:09:06 <Mike_L> hmm.. I just discovered the problem :P
20:09:25 <deltab> you can call functions in a way that sets the content object access through 'this'
20:09:30 <Mike_L> as I was typing out a simplified version of the class here, I found a missing 'return' keyword
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20:10:50 <happy_broccoli> in java, whats the least duplicative way to have a database driven reorganizable UI while still staying object oriented.
20:12:58 <bjoern_> use jGRABS
20:13:22 * Mike_L puts extra sharp cheddar cheese on happy_broccoli and pops him in the microwave
20:13:48 <Mike_L> happy_broccoli --> delicious_broccoli :D
20:14:09 <happy_broccoli> bjoern_: no google hits. what are you talking about
20:14:52 <bjoern_> Oh. It's a secret Java hacker technique.
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20:22:11 <xover> It'll get rid of all your tree files?
20:23:33 <bjoern_> Not exactly, there is a jTwist to it, but I can't talk abo
20:23:55 <xover> See? Just saying that much and the Secret Ninja Squad cuts him off mid sentence.
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20:26:26 <Mike_L> :)
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20:31:08 <deltab> sbp: watching Channel 4?
20:55:38 <thelsdj> anyone know http well enough to know if you get a 302 on a POST if you are supposed to continue to POST or if you are supposed to drop the form and switch to GET?
20:55:56 <bjoern_> RFC 2616 has a clear statement on that
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20:57:27 <thelsdj> ok, looks like an issue of matching existing implementation and not following the RFC
20:57:37 <thelsdj> MS .NET switches to GET
20:58:06 <bjoern_> yes, it says
20:58:07 <bjoern_> [[[
20:58:12 <bjoern_> Note: RFC 1945 and RFC 2068 specify that the client is not allowed
20:58:12 <bjoern_> to change the method on the redirected request. However, most
20:58:12 <bjoern_> existing user agent implementations treat 302 as if it were a 303
20:58:12 <bjoern_> response, performing a GET on the Location field-value regardless
20:58:12 <bjoern_> of the original request method. The status codes 303 and 307 have
20:58:13 <bjoern_> been added for servers that wish to make unambiguously clear which
20:58:13 <thelsdj> Mono previously did not even continue automatically when initial request was a POST, but they switched to allowing redirect on POST (because of MS .NET implementation) but continued to POST on redirect
20:58:15 <bjoern_> kind of reaction is expected of the client.
20:58:17 <bjoern_> ]]]
20:58:20 <bjoern_> shame on you!
20:58:20 <thelsdj> hehe sorry
21:00:02 <bancus> lisppaste2: url?
21:00:03 <lisppaste2> To use the lisppaste bot, visit http://paste.lisp.org/new/swhack and enter your paste.
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22:42:54 <Arnia> This is a wonderful site: http://www.gearchange.org
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