00:05:42 <bjoern_> .ety stance
00:05:45 <phenny> "1532, 'standing place, station,' probably from M.Fr. stance 'resting place, harbor,' from It. stanza 'stopping place, station,' from V.L. *stantia 'place, abode,' from L. stans (gen. stantis), prp. of stare 'to stand,' from PIE base *sta- 'to stand' (see stet)." - http://etymonline.com/?term=stance
00:06:13 <bjoern_> .ety substance
00:06:15 <phenny> "c.1300, 'essential nature,' from O.Fr. substance (12c.), from L. substantia 'being, essence, material,' from substans, prp. of substare 'stand firm, be under or present,' from sub 'up to, under' + stare 'to stand,' from PIE base *sta- 'to stand' (see stet)." - http://etymonline.com/?term=substance
00:11:57 * Arnia yawns
00:18:04 <H0gan> .w Horcrux
00:18:07 <phenny> I couldn't find 'Horcrux' in WordNet.
00:18:14 <H0gan> .g Horcrux
00:18:16 <phenny> H0gan: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horcruxes
00:18:26 <Arnia> Hm... I should make time to watch the cricket tomorrow
00:18:46 <Arnia> Windies vs MCC down at the Racecourse (Durham University's cricket ground)
00:19:09 <H0gan> Could never get into Cricket, myself.
00:20:01 <Arnia> It is a wonderfully relaxing game... and to have an international being played 200 yards from where I live is quite cool
00:20:46 <Arnia> I don't actually know the score atm though... I imagine the Marylebone Cricket Club are winning against the West Indies though
00:20:50 <Arnia> But, never know
00:21:16 <H0gan> I didn't even know my country had a Cricket team until we beat some big country
00:21:23 <H0gan> Odds against us were like 480/1
00:21:40 <H0gan> Apparantly some Mafia influenced the result.
00:21:53 <Arnia> Which country?
00:22:14 <H0gan> Not sure, one of them really good ones like the saudies?
00:22:17 <H0gan> Im not sure.
00:22:39 <H0gan> .g Ireland beat in cricket
00:22:41 <Arnia> The Saudies?
00:22:42 <phenny> H0gan: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/cricket/6685339.stm
00:22:59 <H0gan> Hmm, not Canada anyway.
00:24:47 <Arnia> Oh, MCC are losing
00:24:49 <H0gan> Ah
00:24:52 <H0gan> It was Pakistan.
00:25:02 <Arnia> Ah, that is a good cricketing country
00:25:28 <H0gan> It's more of a Protestant sport over here.
00:25:57 <H0gan> So 2/3 of the country wouldn't really play it.
00:26:19 <Arnia> ah
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00:41:54 <Arnia> phenny, ask sbp if he has heard of Richard Cheese
00:41:57 <phenny> Arnia: I'll pass that on when sbp is around.
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01:05:16 <BigJibby> .wik Eric Schmidt
01:05:19 <phenny> "Eric Emerson Schmidt, Ph.D (b. 1955 in Washington, D.C.) is Chairman and CEO of Google Inc and a member of the Board of Directors of Apple Inc.[1] He also sits on the Princeton University Board of Trustees.[2] He lives in Atherton, California with his wife Wendy.[3]" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Schmidt
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01:24:14 <H0gan> .wik horcruxes
01:24:16 <phenny> "A Horcrux is a magical object in the fictional Harry Potter series by J.K. Rowling." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horcruxes
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01:54:49 <H0gan> .w exclude
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01:54:51 <phenny> exclude v. 1: Prevent from being included or considered or accepted
01:54:53 <phenny> exclude v. 2: Prevent from entering
01:54:55 <phenny> exclude v. 3: Lack or fail to include.
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01:55:21 <Monty> howdy, tonybaloney
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02:10:04 <deltab> sbp: http://community.livejournal.com/cat_macros/1895731.html (from http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/languagelog/archives/004507.html )
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02:51:14 <Monty> hi swhask, how ya doing?
02:51:16 <phenny> Monty: shh, don't let anyone know you're around!
02:51:17 <Monty> huhu
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03:00:41 <lucky> sometimes i forget the people on tv aren't real and i freak out for a second when i move my head and i don't get a different perspective
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03:01:45 <lucky> hi Arnia
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03:09:38 <Monty> hey rob1n
03:10:09 <deltab> life imitates Catherine Tate Show: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/tyne/6714735.stm
03:11:26 <rob1n> hi Monty
03:11:27 <Monty> IMAP car-alarms...
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04:17:59 <Monty> it's rob1n_!
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08:26:06 <sbp> deltab: heh! thanks
08:26:08 <phenny> sbp: 00:40Z <Arnia> ask sbp if he has heard of Richard Cheese
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08:26:38 <sbp> phenny: tell Arnia the band or the joke name? (or both?)
08:26:40 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when arnia is around.
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08:36:19 <sbp> d8uv: whoo!
08:37:07 <nicomen> sbp: added a flag to the "foo"? thing so that one can force language
08:37:25 <nicomen> "hola":es?
08:37:48 <nicomen> (esperanto seems to be default, es forces spanish)
08:37:57 <nicomen> or was it hungarian...
08:38:05 <nicomen> phenny: "hola"?
08:38:08 <phenny> nicomen: Hmm, got 'hungarian'...
08:38:12 <nicomen> yeah, hehe...
08:38:33 <nicomen> 10:36 <@nicomen> Jay: "hola":es?
08:38:34 <nicomen> 10:36 < Jay> nicomen: "hello" (es)
08:43:17 <sbp> ah! nice idea
08:43:30 <sbp> I've been meaning to do that for une while
08:43:40 <nicomen> very small patch, but maybe the syntax isn't ideal
08:43:42 <sbp> or, even better, change the language detector. since it sucks
08:43:46 <sbp> yeah, hmm
08:43:46 <nicomen> lol
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08:45:27 <nicomen> http://utilitybase.com/paste/3544
08:45:53 <sbp> I'll think I'll mekkit a preposition...
08:46:13 <nicomen> then you need to add some more checking than what I did ;DD
08:46:17 <nicomen> <-- lazy
08:49:03 <sbp> phenny: reload translate
08:49:05 <phenny> sbp: <module 'modules.translate' from '/home/sbp/phenny/modules/translate.py'> (version: 2007-06-03 08:47:21)
08:49:14 <sbp> phenny: "bon appetit"?
08:49:17 <phenny> sbp: Hmm, got 'scots'...
08:49:21 <sbp> phenny: fr "bon appetit"?
08:49:24 <phenny> sbp: "good appetit" (fr)
08:49:30 <sbp> neato. thanks!
08:50:14 <nicomen> nice
08:50:25 <nicomen> is scots a language?
08:50:27 * sbp builds a new version, uploads
08:50:32 <sbp> yeah
08:50:41 <sbp> .wik Scots language
08:50:41 <nicomen> and it's not scot or scottish?
08:50:43 <phenny> "Scots refers to the Anglic varieties spoken in parts of Scotland." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scots_language
08:50:45 <sbp> nope
08:50:51 <nicomen> .ety scottish
08:50:53 <phenny> Can't find the etymology for "scottish". Try http://etymonline.com/?search=scottish
08:50:57 <nicomen> .ety scot
08:50:59 <phenny> "O.E. Scottas (pl.) 'inhabitants of Ireland, Irishmen,' from L.L. Scotti (c.400), of uncertain origin, perhaps from Celtic (but answering to no known tribal name; Ir." - http://etymonline.com/?term=scot
08:51:03 <sbp> it's descended from Northumbrianish Anglo-Saxon
08:51:11 <nicomen> .ety scots
08:51:13 <phenny> "see Scotch (adj.)." - http://etymonline.com/?term=scots
08:51:23 <nicomen> hm
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10:02:41 <sbp> Countryfile!
10:05:05 <nicomen> ?
10:21:35 <d8uv> paging dr sbp to #d8uv.org
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10:40:16 <xover> Heh. Searching for sbp on LinkedIn gives odd results.
10:41:00 <xover> sbp: Are you secretly an Economist at the Bank of England?
10:49:24 <nicomen> lol
10:49:58 <nicomen> hm I should make false profiles of my enemies making up really sick backgrounds and jobs
10:50:25 <nicomen> need to get some enemies first though
10:52:04 <sbp> .gc "pumping up a bubble"
10:52:06 <phenny> "pumping up a bubble": 6
10:52:09 <sbp> xover: notte me
10:52:49 <xover> «Technical Director at Vivendi Games», then?
10:52:57 <cre8radix> hey sbp! ;/
10:53:00 <sbp> Vivendi? no, I'd rename it
10:53:07 <xover> «Associate at Mercer Management Consulting»
10:53:10 <sbp> cre8radix: whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaup?
10:53:25 <sbp> Mercer Management Consulting? no... though I'd be happy to take the salary anyway
10:53:26 <xover> «Manager at Ernst & Young»
10:53:28 <cre8radix> uploading day11
10:53:38 <sbp> Ernst & Young! hmm, nope
10:53:42 <xover> «REGIONAL PROSPECT MANAGER at COORS BREWERS»
10:53:48 <sbp> sounds like I have a good name for this kind of schnizzle though
10:53:51 <sbp> heh, no
10:53:53 * xover likes the UPPERCASE!
10:53:58 <sbp> YES
10:54:10 <cre8radix> sbp: uploading the show and the rest by mon
10:54:28 <cre8radix> ¥€$
10:54:32 * xover was tempted on the one labelled «Independent Performing Arts Professional»
10:55:08 <xover> cre8radix: GitS:SAC fan?
10:55:28 <cre8radix> wtf?
10:55:38 <cre8radix> whuzzat?
10:55:53 <xover> .wik Ghost in the Shell
10:55:55 <phenny> "Ghost in the Shell (Japanese: 攻殻機動隊, Kōkaku Kidōtai, i.e. Mobile Armored Riot Police), is a Japanese cyberpunk manga created by Masamune Shirow." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghost_in_the_Shell
10:56:14 <cre8radix> oh yeah!
10:56:17 <cre8radix> mos def
10:56:56 <xover> “¥€$” is the common currency made up of the amalgamation of those three currencies in GitS:SAC.
10:57:21 <cre8radix> i see
10:57:25 <xover> (SAC = Stand Alone Complex; the TV series version)
10:57:26 <cre8radix> well
10:57:41 <cre8radix> havent seen those
10:57:58 <xover> It's not great, but worth watching.
10:58:14 * cre8radix will watch'em
11:00:14 <cre8radix> 1% 452KB 86.5KB/s 04:44 ETA
11:00:20 <cre8radix> sloooooow
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11:08:55 <bjoern_> Monty111
11:08:56 <Monty> s/can/can't/
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11:21:29 <xover> .gc Shakespeare blog
11:21:31 <phenny> Shakespeare blog: 2,790,000
11:21:37 <xover> .gc "Shakespeare blog"
11:21:40 <phenny> "Shakespeare blog": 10,700
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11:29:39 <cre8radix> sbp: there?
11:29:54 <cre8radix> phenny: tell sbp that day 11 is up
11:29:57 <phenny> cre8radix: I'll pass that on when sbp is around.
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11:56:31 <sbp> ooh
11:56:33 <phenny> sbp: 11:28Z <cre8radix> tell sbp that day 11 is up
11:56:57 <sbp> phenny: tell cre8radix bwahaha, awesome! I totally wouldn't've thought of the squeaky idea. good production
11:56:59 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when cre8radix is around.
11:57:10 <sbp> phenny: tell cre8radix the song at the end is awesome, too. who's it by?
11:57:12 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when cre8radix is around.
12:04:33 <xover> Hmm. Whatever happened to the #swhack IRCblog?
12:06:31 <sbp> ask kpreid!
12:06:45 <sbp> he wrote a new bot and site for it in haskell or E or something
12:06:50 <xover> kpreid busted it?
12:06:57 <xover> kpreid busted it.
12:06:58 <sbp> nah, he volunteered to get it going again
12:07:04 <sbp> when it got wiped off of vorpal
12:07:18 <xover> AaronSw busted it?
12:07:19 <sbp> when vorpal went sh'boom
12:07:29 <sbp> vorpal's disc busted itself. don't you remember?
12:07:32 <sbp> it ground itself to dust
12:07:34 <xover> AaronSw busted it.
12:07:38 <sbp> you could literally see through the disc
12:07:54 <xover> It was all those Buffy episodes!
12:07:56 <sbp> so we got manxome in its stead
12:08:01 <sbp> heh, yeah, prolly
12:08:18 <sbp> http://inamidst.com/stuff/esp/pppscript
12:09:10 <xover> BTW, I tried reading your recent Plexthingy stuff...
12:09:18 *** sbp changed the topic to: "THE SBP BROADCASTING SYSTEM IS ON THE AIR"
12:09:22 <xover> It made absolutely no sense.
12:09:28 <sbp> oh yeah? why'd you do a silly thing like that?
12:09:36 <sbp> which one did you read?
12:09:36 <xover> Which is probably a good sign.
12:09:47 <sbp> the one where I curmudgeon the group, or the one where I lambast them?
12:09:56 <xover> “Yes.”
12:09:59 <sbp> heh, heh
12:10:33 <sbp> I did document a few things, like Tavtime
12:10:35 <sbp> .tavtime
12:10:37 <phenny> 2694.4.15.9.3
12:10:41 <sbp> bah, no yi
12:10:49 <sbp> any excuse for a partai
12:11:07 <xover> #swhack needs to have output.
12:11:20 <sbp> http://swhack.com/logs/ no good?
12:11:28 <sbp> but yeah, I agree. we should have a freaking linkblog again already
12:11:33 <xover> RIght now it's like a bottomless pit of IRC logs that just swallow all its input.
12:11:39 <sbp> phenny: ask kpreid what happened to the New and Improved swhacker?
12:11:41 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when kpreid is around.
12:11:50 <sbp> mmm... bottomless pit
12:12:02 <sbp> every so often I get the crazy idea of summarising all the logs on a day to day basis
12:12:13 <sbp> but every year that job gets bigger. heh
12:12:30 <sbp> heh is my lol which is our lah
12:12:46 <sbp> (that sentence was, sadly, grammatical. if you get the use/mention right)
12:13:21 <sbp> I still think we should've done Blue Moon
12:13:25 <xover> The Schwarzschild radius of #swhack was back in 2004/5 or so I think.
12:13:34 <sbp> we started with Blue Moon, and we ended up with Planet Swhack
12:14:03 <sbp> I don't quite get the metaphor/analogy, but if you mean it was our zenith, then yeah
12:14:12 <sbp> 2004/5 was pree good
12:14:18 <xover> Whits and Lo! are a good beginning for BM.
12:14:30 <sbp> yup! Lo! is rocking the joint
12:14:38 <sbp> hard work tho'
12:14:51 <sbp> I have some good stuff planned for it
12:15:01 <sbp> major schnizzle that I'm having to arrange behind the scenes
12:15:07 <sbp> SOME OF IT IS NOT COMING OFF AAARGH
12:15:37 <xover> The analogy is... Around that time #swhack reached the critical mass and collapsed inwards past its own Schwarzschild radius.
12:15:45 <sbp> like, I emailed this lady in Wales asking for a very specific natural ingredient for something, but apparently there's none of it about. she said she'd harvest some for me later in the year when it's about again
12:16:00 <xover> Since then, nothing has escaped the event horizon.
12:16:06 <sbp> ah. I don't think so, really. we ain't got too flabby
12:16:09 <xover> The logs are the equivalent of a White Hole.
12:16:19 <sbp> hehe. yeah, they are a bit
12:16:29 <sbp> Swhack does power other stuff though
12:16:46 <sbp> like for example often it powers me in producing stuff
12:17:02 <sbp> it's the marsh out of which all our primordial genius crawls
12:17:27 <sbp> but yeah, we should do something better
12:17:36 * xover sticks a cold fusion generator up sbp's bumhole...
12:17:48 <sbp> COLD FUSION IN MY ARSE OMG
12:18:00 <sbp> we should make something like Zap
12:18:05 <xover> A perpetually moving cold fusion generator!
12:18:16 <sbp> perpetual mo-mo-motion
12:18:41 <xover> With great unified theory technology!
12:18:50 <sbp> right to the GUT
12:19:17 <sbp> # s w h a c k
12:19:30 <sbp> so yeah, got any ideas other than a mere linkblog?
12:19:45 <sbp> Jottage was fun, but nobody took it up
12:20:01 <xover> Hey! You know I'm the Bitch&Moan Guy, not the Make Cool Shit Actually Happen Guy.
12:20:16 <sbp> well you don't have to make it happen, just bitch about moan about what's missing
12:20:30 <sbp> then I'll get d8uv to make it happen logowise
12:20:34 <sbp> crschmidt to make it happen serverwise
12:20:36 <xover> heh heh
12:20:45 <sbp> and I'll throw lines of python at it until it "works"
12:20:47 <crschmidt> wha huh?
12:20:50 <sbp> hellos
12:21:01 * xover wonders if he still has those Blue Moon logo mockups....
12:21:02 * crschmidt has not yet done that 'sleep' thing
12:21:07 <sbp> oh dear
12:21:10 <crschmidt> am i supposed to be doing something?
12:21:17 <sbp> nope, we're thinking of things for you to do
12:21:26 <crschmidt> ah
12:21:28 <sbp> it'll probably be at least as long as it takes you to sleep, so no worries
12:21:28 <crschmidt> oka
12:21:38 <crschmidt> well, i don't really plan to sleep.
12:21:48 <crschmidt> I've got a long plane ride in about 12 hours that I can sleep on.
12:22:08 * xover disappears for two shakes to fill up his espresso...
12:22:25 <sbp> Google
12:22:26 <sbp> -> http://inamidst.com/eph/bluemoon
12:22:35 <sbp> -> http://homepage.mac.com/xover/mockup-12.png
12:22:38 <sbp> -> Not Found
12:22:40 <crschmidt> GOogle. I was there earlier this week
12:22:44 <crschmidt> I am now at Yahoo!
12:22:49 <sbp> ooh. did you get free pens or anything?
12:22:53 <crschmidt> heh. no
12:22:58 <crschmidt> couple shirts
12:23:03 <sbp> your grand cali tour sounds quite fun
12:24:23 <crschmidt> yeah
12:24:28 <crschmidt> it's pretty... someting or other
12:25:05 <sbp> phenny: tell xover I'm actually kinda hoping to broaden out Lo! to this sort of thing. it's the same beboppy experimentalism that I started to pursue with What Planet before I got stuck in a niche. this time I've started out in the niche to make sure there's a stable base, but I'll be pushing the boundaries...
12:25:07 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when xover is around.
12:25:15 <sbp> Lo! is a sleeping giant
12:25:52 <sbp> and it's already got 7500 of my best words...
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12:27:44 <xover> phenny: tell sbp I'm right here, I can hear perfectly well.
12:27:47 <phenny> xover: I'll pass that on when sbp is around.
12:27:49 <phenny> xover: 12:23Z <sbp> tell xover I'm actually kinda hoping to broaden out Lo! to this sort of thing. it's the same beboppy experimentalism that I started to pursue with What Planet before I got stuck in a niche. this time I've started out in the niche to make sure there's a stable base, but I'll be pushing the boundaries...
12:27:50 <sbp> OH HELLO
12:27:52 <phenny> sbp: 12:26Z <xover> tell sbp I'm right here, I can hear perfectly well.
12:28:13 <sbp> I didn't know how long two shakes took these days
12:28:20 <crschmidt> one.
12:28:21 <crschmidt> two.
12:28:24 <crschmidt> about that long
12:28:25 <sbp> shekkit
12:28:38 <sbp> aparently more like six minutes in imperial time
12:29:19 <crschmidt> oh!
12:29:22 <crschmidt> i met dajobe today
12:29:30 <sbp> ooh. another link we have in common
12:29:48 <sbp> how is he?
12:30:00 <xover> Did anyone ever do a six degrees -ish map of #swhack?
12:30:10 <sbp> no. that's a good idea
12:30:22 <crschmidt> he seems good
12:30:53 <sbp> did you grumble about Redland things?
12:31:17 <sbp> hmm. http://triplr.org/rdf/http://inamidst.com/misc/triplrtest.n3
12:31:21 <sbp> he still hasn't fixed that
12:31:21 <crschmidt> nah
12:31:36 <crschmidt> i've moved on
12:31:38 <crschmidt> i do maps now
12:32:05 <sbp> mapz
12:32:16 <crschmidt> i can haz streetmapz
12:32:22 <sbp> hehe
12:33:08 <sbp> dw i'n gallu fforddmapau gyda fi
12:33:17 <sbp> there, Welsh catspeak. I have invented a Thing
12:33:17 <crschmidt> that's not english
12:33:39 <crschmidt> what is that, like, 'i can have fjords' or something?
12:33:58 <sbp> I am able roadmaps with me
12:34:12 <xover> sbp: http://neutri.no/tmp/Blue%20Moon/mockup-12.html
12:34:18 <sbp> which is, I think, a pretty good translation of the broken grammar of the original
12:34:25 <sbp> given the Welsh way of doing things
12:34:44 <sbp> xover: ooh, thanks
12:35:18 <xover> Cool URIs Don't Give a Shit About TimBL's 404 Woes!
12:35:55 <sbp> Debate
12:35:55 <sbp> <sbp> Python Rules!
12:35:55 <sbp> <xover> Python Sucks; Perl Rules!
12:35:55 <sbp> <d8uv> You're both on crack!!
12:36:04 <crschmidt> timbl. pfft
12:36:07 <crschmidt> who listens to him?
12:36:11 * sbp mirrors the logo
12:36:34 * crschmidt holds a mirror up to his laptop
12:36:41 <crschmidt> okay, yeah, i think i should pass out for a couple hours
12:36:44 <crschmidt> night all
12:36:49 <xover> `night
12:37:27 <sbp> 'night crschmidt!
12:37:43 <sbp> as Lo! says, it's mining an even older vein of style... The Idler
12:37:46 <xover> Wow, the nysun link is still good, but my links were borked.
12:38:05 <sbp> nysun++
12:39:08 <xover> Hmm. BM would certainly need an Editor…
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12:40:02 <xover> .bm submit <url>
12:40:52 <sbp> I'd like something that's kinda like N&Q circa 1880 + The Times circa 1910
12:41:01 <sbp> *that* would be freaking awesome
12:41:07 <xover> N&Q?
12:41:14 <sbp> Notes and Queries
12:41:19 <sbp> When found, make a note of!
12:41:20 <xover> Nerds & Queens?
12:41:39 <sbp> Notes and... haven't we been through this before?
12:42:03 <xover> It's Deja Vu all over again.
12:42:07 <sbp> 18:19:36 <sbp> xover: except for Notes and Queries
12:42:07 <sbp> 18:19:45 <sbp> and a scant few others
12:42:07 <sbp> 18:19:55 <xover> url?
12:42:07 <sbp> 18:20:02 <sbp> .g Notes and Queries
12:42:07 <sbp> 18:20:05 <phenny> sbp: http://nq.oxfordjournals.org/
12:42:09 <sbp> 18:20:07 <sbp> yep, that one
12:42:15 <sbp> - http://swhack.com/logs/2007-05-29#T18-19-36
12:42:38 <xover> You seriously expected me to retain that after one iteration?
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12:42:42 <bjoern_> Hello! Can you people hear me? I'm over here, outside the time loop!
12:42:58 <sbp> xover: yes because N&Q is *essential*
12:43:06 <sbp> hello bjoern_. what decade are you in?
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12:43:13 <xover> /IGNORE bjoern_
12:43:38 <sbp> everything I'm interested in, N&Q has probably got something about it
12:43:52 <sbp> I look up the most obscure shit you can imagine. there'll be like two hits for it
12:43:55 <sbp> one will be N&Q
12:44:09 <bjoern_> [silence]
12:44:09 <bjoern_> Okay, I will take that as a "no"!
12:44:59 * xover should dig out old discussions from the logs and start responding to them...
12:45:50 <sbp> huh, just serialising an N&Q anthology from the late 19th century would be great
12:46:17 <xover> Now there's a blog I might actually bother reading...
12:46:44 <sbp> my library has all the old volumes
12:46:53 <sbp> nobody ever gets 'em out coz they're dingbats
12:46:55 <xover> Nts & Qeris
12:47:12 <sbp> there are magnificent books in my library. sometimes the last stamp in the front will be from like 1985 or something
12:47:25 <xover> Hmm. The #swhack equivalent of Twitter + Flickr...
12:47:41 <sbp> Twickr. Flitter
12:47:47 <xover> Yes!
12:47:55 <xover> Twitter!
12:48:10 <xover> Twit! Ter!
12:48:14 <sbp> isn't IRC sort of like a supertwitter, though?
12:48:23 <sbp> I am on IRC typing
12:48:28 <xover> heh heh
12:48:34 <xover> Too specialized.
12:48:53 <sbp> I don't care if someone is gouging the crud out of their car's arches though
12:49:10 <sbp> unless they find a rare species of snail in there
12:50:03 <sbp> this made me smile today...
12:50:17 <sbp> I was Googling for stuff, and one of the results' snippets was this:
12:50:18 <sbp> [[[
12:50:18 <sbp> Historic Herefordshire On-Line, Logo ..... 18987, Fishpond, SE of Wickton Court, Stoke Prior, Ford And Stoke Prior, SO 5280 5415, Post Medieval / Fishpond ...
12:50:20 <sbp> ]]]
12:50:44 <sbp> when I see "Post Medieval / Fishpond" and an Ordnance Survey reference, that brightens me up
12:51:00 <sbp> especially when the whole kaboodle starts "Historic"
12:51:32 <sbp> essentially I'd like more people a) interested in that kind of stuff, but b) documenting it in strange weird awesome new ways
12:51:47 <sbp> the intersection of the two there is not strong
12:52:21 <sbp> history is inherently really interesting...
12:52:42 <sbp> the only straunge documentation attempts are usually to try to jazz it up by dumbing it down
12:52:45 <sbp> which is nuts and doesn't work
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13:01:32 <xover> Hmm.
13:01:55 * sbp writes to whits the third installment of the pamphlet saga
13:03:11 <xover> Hmm. Gmail... You Google Talk enabled?
13:03:33 <sbp> nope, I think last time I tried using that it didn't work
13:03:35 <sbp> got Skype though
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13:08:50 * xover emails sbp random branedump on BM…
13:09:46 <xover> Emphasis on “random” and “dump”.
13:11:31 <sbp> I like the internal exclamation mar!ks
13:11:55 <sbp> and the choice of first noun in the subject
13:12:39 <sbp> noets was named by thelsdj, I think
13:13:25 <sbp> and the idea of posting out-of-band...
13:13:27 <sbp> hmm
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13:48:07 <sbp> here's a Swhack Challenge
13:48:16 <sbp> find the original source of Laplace's famous comment on Newton
13:49:57 <bjoern_> I think it's far more challenging to resist the urge to do just that!
13:49:59 <bjoern_> I will take that challenge, and let you know how it goes.
13:50:19 <sbp> nevermind, I win.
13:50:20 <sbp> http://enfr.explicatus.org/wiki/Isaac_Newton#fn_20
13:50:59 <sbp> "Newton était le plus grand génie qui a jamais existé et le plus chanceux, parce que nous ne peuvent pas trouver plus d'une fois qu'un système du monde à établir."
13:52:04 <xover> Repetez, en anglais, s'il vous plait.
13:52:17 <bjoern_> phenny, "Newton était le plus grand génie qui a jamais existé et le plus chanceux, parce que nous ne peuvent pas trouver plus d'une fois qu'un système du monde Ã\~ établir."?
13:52:21 <phenny> bjoern_: "Newton was the greatest genius which ever existed and luckiest,because us cannot find more than one once that a system of the Ü~world to establish." (fr)
13:52:32 <sbp> yeah
13:53:07 <sbp> "Newton was the greated genius who ever existed and the luckiest, because we cannot find more than once a system of the world to establish."
13:53:20 <sbp> er, greatest
14:01:47 <xover> Heh heh. One very new or very clever spammer sent me a message from “viagra.com” with “viagra” spelled right out in the Subject; and the spam filters didn't catch it because they're looking fro “V!@gra” etc.
14:02:41 <sbp> chuckle
14:02:57 <sbp> also, still can't find the actual source of Lagrange's coment
14:03:34 <sbp> I did find an older source though
14:04:28 <bjoern_> older than the original?!
14:05:05 <sbp> an older source for the modern paraphrasings
14:05:14 <sbp> by actual source I meant the original source, of course
14:05:15 <sbp> and!
14:05:16 <sbp> [[[
14:05:17 <sbp> This is a free paraphrase of the original quotation, which comes from Jean-Baptiste Delambre’s éloge of Lagrange:
14:05:17 <sbp> “… aussi M. Lagrange, qui le [Newton] citait souvent comme le plus grand génie qui eût jamais existé, ajoutait-il
14:05:19 <sbp> aussitôt: et le plus heureux; on ne trouve qu’une fois un système du monde à établir.” J. B. Delambre, “Notice sur la vie
14:05:22 <sbp> et les ouvrages de M. le comte J. L. Lagrange” (1816), rpt. in Oeuvres de Lagrange, 1 (Paris: Gauthiers-Villars, 1867),
14:05:25 <sbp> ix-li, on p. xx (italics in original).
14:05:27 <sbp> ]]] - http://216.239.59.104/search?q=cache:WR84EICjrmYJ:www-sul.stanford.edu/depts/swain/hosted/ncw/2003/oxygen.pdf+%22un+syst%C3%A8me+du+monde%22+Lagrange+Newton&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1
14:05:30 <sbp> yay!
14:05:54 <sbp> "et le plus heureux; on ne trouve qu’une fois un système du monde à établir" is in italics
14:06:30 <sbp> phenny: "aussi M. Lagrange, qui le citait souvent comme le plus grand génie qui eût jamais existé, ajoutait-il aussitôt: et le plus heureux; on ne trouve qu’une fois un système du monde à établir."?
14:06:33 <phenny> sbp: "also Mr. Lagrange, which often quoted it like the greatest geniuswhich had ever existed, added it at once: and happiest; one finds onlyone time a system of the world to be established." (fr)
14:06:50 <sbp> so it's not actually a quote of Lagrange in writing
14:07:05 <sbp> just anecdotal
14:08:00 <sbp> le plus heureux really does translate as happiest...
14:08:09 <sbp> but perhaps "fortunate" is closer to the intent? hmm
14:08:33 <sbp> hard to read the intent of the rhetoric of early 19th century French...
14:09:15 <sbp> phenny: ask darobin if he could give us a literal word-for-word translation of "aussi M. Lagrange, qui le citait souvent comme le plus grand génie qui eût jamais existé, ajoutait-il aussitôt: et le plus heureux; on ne trouve qu’une fois un système du monde à établir." please?
14:09:17 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when darobin is around.
14:09:50 <darobin> heh
14:09:52 <phenny> darobin: 14:07Z <sbp> ask darobin if he could give us a literal word-for-word translation of "aussi M. Lagrange, qui le citait souvent comme le plus grand génie qui eût jamais existé, ajoutait-il aussitôt: et le plus heureux; on ne trouve qu’une fois un système du monde à établir." please?
14:09:56 <sbp> 'ello
14:10:02 <darobin> reproducing the style is not going to be easy
14:10:25 <sbp> yeah, that's kinda what I'm wondering about too
14:10:59 <darobin> as well Mr Lagrange, who often quoted him as the greatest genius ever to have existed, added immediately: and the happiest; one only finds a system of the world to establish
14:11:16 <darobin> it could be perfected but that's about it
14:11:21 <sbp> ooh
14:11:32 <sbp> so it's like "one [person] only finds a system..."?
14:11:38 <darobin> yes
14:11:42 <sbp> ooooh!
14:11:45 <sbp> thanks!
14:11:52 <darobin> "on" is pretty much "one [person]"
14:11:54 <darobin> a pleasure
14:13:01 <darobin> so, just a quick check... I'm writing dialogue for a character that needs to be really over the top in his flame declaration to a girl, is this bad enough: "The nectareous piquant of your luscious murmur titillating to a kiss of ineffable fragrance, apex as it were of an eventide whiled away awed at your exquisite allure and pulchritude."?
14:15:02 <sbp> possibly too bad
14:15:08 <darobin> heh
14:15:16 <darobin> good, that's what I'm going for :)
14:15:25 <sbp> it sounds like he's making love to her through the OED, a Markov Chainer, Babelfish, and Bourbon
14:15:38 <darobin> brilliant, thanks
14:15:40 <sbp> :-)
14:15:44 <deltab> is it not "and the most fortunate: one only finds once a system of the world to establish"?
14:16:08 <sbp> deltab: I think the way to do it in English would be to invert it
14:16:17 <sbp> so "only one inds a system of the world..."
14:16:21 <sbp> s/inds/finds/
14:16:22 <darobin> "most fortunate" is arguably better than "happy" indeed
14:16:32 <bjoern_> 00,01invert99,99
14:16:34 <darobin> and I forgot the once
14:16:39 <sbp> oh. heh
14:17:03 <sbp> .g etymology heureux
14:17:06 <phenny> sbp: http://nq.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/reprint/s5-IV/103/483-b.pdf
14:17:16 <sbp> xover: mark you, sir! mark you well! N&Q!
14:17:17 <darobin> heur is sort of luck
14:17:30 <sbp> luckeux
14:17:36 <sbp> luqueux
14:17:39 <darobin> bonheur is happiness, malheur unhappiness
14:17:49 <sbp> hmm
14:17:59 <darobin> but originally they meant goodluck/badluck
14:18:06 <darobin> and heureux meant sort of lucky
14:18:36 <bjoern_> a malheur is a mishap
14:18:43 <darobin> in a positive but chance-based way
14:18:52 <darobin> not only, but that too yes
14:18:56 <darobin> .ety ,ishap
14:18:58 <darobin> bah
14:19:02 <darobin> .ety mishap
14:19:04 <phenny> "c.1330, 'bad luck, unlucky accident,' from mis- 'bad' + hap 'luck.' Probably on analogy of O.Fr. meschance." - http://etymonline.com/?term=mishap
14:19:08 <darobin> .ety hapless
14:19:10 <phenny> "'unfortunate,' 1568, from hap (q.v.)." - http://etymonline.com/?term=hapless
14:19:17 <bjoern_> .ety hapsichord
14:19:20 <phenny> Can't find the etymology for "hapsichord". Try http://etymonline.com/?search=hapsichord
14:19:21 <darobin> lol
14:19:34 <darobin> so yeah, hap seems to =~ heur
14:20:04 <darobin> anyway, back to my script
14:20:08 <sbp> hapful!
14:20:13 <darobin> :)
14:20:29 <sbp> .ety hap
14:20:31 <phenny> "c.1205, 'chance, luck,' from O.N. happ 'chance, good luck,' from P.Gmc. *khapan (source of O.E. gehæp 'convenient, fit')." - http://etymonline.com/?term=hap
14:20:37 * sbp writes this up as http://inamidst.com/whits/2007/06#lagrange
14:20:49 <sbp> khapanful
14:20:51 <sbp> .ety full
14:20:54 <phenny> "O.E. full 'completely, full,' from P.Gmc. *fullaz (cf. O.Fris. ful, O.N. fullr, O.H.G. fol, Ger. voll, Goth. fulls), from PIE *ple- (see plenary)." - http://etymonline.com/?term=full
14:21:05 <sbp> khapanfullaz!
14:21:35 <sbp> Proto-Germanic is great
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14:29:51 <Monty> welcome, revox
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14:45:10 <darobin> I love it when it says "from PIE"
14:45:23 <darobin> "full (...) from PIE"
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14:46:02 <darobin> when come back bring Proto-Indo-European!!!!
14:46:05 <darobin> (wanker)
14:46:15 <jsled> .
14:46:25 <darobin> ..
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14:51:07 <Monty> lo kpreid
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14:52:45 * sbp reorganises his Grand Idea
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15:04:43 * bjoern_ calls his bank to block his bank card
15:04:48 <bjoern_> the bankomat stole it!
15:05:10 <bjoern_> it crashed and wouldn't reboot or give my card back :((
15:06:22 * bjoern_ looks forward to see how they calm down REALLY angry customers.
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15:08:16 <sbp> hmm, reorganisation went quite well
15:08:34 <sbp> bjoern_: it stole it? woah
15:08:41 <sbp> was it an RBS system?
15:08:55 <sbp> was a lot of that in the news yesterday--ATM machines crashed, the online system went down...
15:09:10 <sbp> people dependent on RBS services couldn't do anything with their money
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15:49:18 <bjoern_> Royal Bank of Scotland?
15:49:23 <sbp> yeah
15:49:35 <bjoern_> No, I'm not a customer of the Royal Bank of Scotland.
15:49:37 <sbp> IIRC. people like NatWest depend on them
15:49:47 <bjoern_> They don't have too many outlets in Germany either, I don't think.
15:49:56 <sbp> plus other subsidiaries!
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15:50:44 <sbp> under yes diaries!
15:51:41 <bjoern_> so what caused the RBS ATM crashes?
15:52:10 <bjoern_> I went to the ATM again after I had my card blocked; turns out the machine was working again, but no sign of my card.
15:52:21 <sbp> they said it was hardware issues
15:52:41 <bjoern_> I suppose either the ATM took it, or I don't have to care, for you couldn't use the card anymore.
15:53:42 <kpreid> .gc "dieseling guitar"
15:53:45 <phenny> "dieseling guitar": 0
15:53:45 <sbp> your poor card
15:53:47 <phenny> kpreid: 12:10Z <sbp> ask kpreid what happened to the New and Improved swhacker?
15:53:50 <bjoern_> poor me!
15:53:57 <bjoern_> poor them, once they open tomorrow!
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15:54:17 <sbp> all out there lost in an ATM and such
15:55:07 <bjoern_> she is a mighty and powerful card, she can take it.
15:58:24 <sbp> awesome
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16:07:32 <bjoern_> It was more funny when they used OS/2 everywhere, and you could regularily see bsods and OS/2 desktops with error messages.
16:07:36 <bjoern_> At least this is not my only bank.
16:08:28 <xover> “Inappropriately Touched by an Angel”
16:14:30 <bjoern_> http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/06/03/europe/EU-GEN-Poland-Out-of-Coma.php
16:14:43 <bjoern_> You'd wonder how many laws the Second Coming would break.
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16:23:40 <sbp> deltab: Shaun!
16:23:46 <sbp> BBC 1
16:24:08 <danja> the sheep?
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16:24:49 <danja> anyone got any pointers for reviving an ibook that's not booting properly?
16:25:46 <bjoern_> define not booting properly.
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16:26:55 <Monty> sbp: You asked me to remind you that Shaun is on at 6!
16:27:59 <danja> I'd rebooted because I'd got *stacks* of things running, and neooffice had locked up
16:28:33 <danja> coming back up, it got past the first apple+spinny thing screen, but then stopped on a blue screen
16:28:44 <bjoern_> error messages?
16:29:00 <bjoern_> sounds a bit like a borken hard drive.
16:29:01 <danja> I tried the boot disk, did a disk repair - it found errors but (allegedly) fixed them
16:29:15 <danja> I'm now in single-user, running fsck
16:29:24 <sbp> caught red faced!
16:29:34 <sbp> thanks Monty
16:29:37 <Monty> lowest common sysadmin skills and last stamp in 2003?!
16:29:45 <sbp> Monty: remind me in 30 minutes Shaun! OMG!
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16:29:51 <Monty> aha, I asked if elected I dunno for incorrectly naming principle, and Yang balanced, Pangu emerged from Espania all that turned out
16:29:52 <sbp> Monty: remind me in 30 minutes to watch Shaun! OMG!
16:29:53 <Monty> sbp: Okay, I'll remind you about that on Sun Jun 03 17:58:26 BST 2007
16:30:18 <danja> "the volume macintosh hd appears to be ok."
16:30:31 <danja> er, guess I now try mounting it
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16:31:20 <danja> that seems ok
16:31:20 <sbp> danja: mraw
16:31:24 <danja> ???
16:32:00 <bjoern_> .g mraw
16:32:01 <sbp> PoV, with Wogan. "Too much Oddie?"
16:32:03 <phenny> bjoern_: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=freakin'+mraw
16:32:09 <sbp> mounting -> mraw
16:32:34 <bjoern_> Well, freakin' mraw, I don't believe it!
16:33:05 <danja> ok, that'll do
16:33:25 <danja> er, how do you start the gui from the shell?
16:34:09 <bjoern_> [silence]
16:34:16 <sbp> startx?
16:34:53 <danja> no effect (not surprised because I had to install X on top to run gimp)
16:35:23 * bjoern_ recommends reboot
16:35:40 <sbp> oh, in OS X
16:35:48 <sbp> you know, I don't even know the name of OS X's window manager
16:36:25 * danja reboots
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16:37:43 <danja> apple+whirry thing...
16:38:35 <sbp> rainbow beachball of doom
16:38:50 <sbp> unless you mean the spinning asterisk thing
16:38:58 <xover> .wik SPOD
16:39:01 <phenny> "The spinning wait cursor (also known as the rainbow wheel of death, or the spinning beachball of death/SBOD) is a cursor in Apple's Mac OS X used to indicate that an application is unresponsive." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SPOD
16:39:03 <danja> the grey thing right at the start
16:39:12 <danja> not the pizza
16:39:14 <sbp> ah
16:39:18 <sbp> beachball!
16:39:46 <danja> ok, now it's got to the all-blue screen again (as normal, but usually I'd see the desktop around now)
16:40:08 <sbp> erk
16:40:13 <sbp> start the dock?
16:40:17 <danja> although there is a spinny grey thing
16:40:21 <xover> Desktop blue, or BSOD blue?
16:40:22 <danja> how..?
16:40:29 <danja> desktop blue
16:40:34 <bjoern_> .gc "spinny grey thing"
16:40:37 <phenny> "spinny grey thing": 0
16:40:54 <danja> .gc "spinny gray thing"
16:40:56 <phenny> "spinny gray thing": 1
16:41:05 <sbp> you got a term?
16:41:26 <xover> Hmm. Sounds like some of the boot processes are having trouble starting, or possibly LoginWindow.app.
16:41:47 <xover> Did you Repair Permissions when you ran Disk Utility from the install/repair CD?
16:41:53 <danja> nope
16:42:01 <danja> worth a try?
16:42:15 <xover> Might also be worthwhile to just let it churn for a while.
16:42:19 <xover> It might come out of it yet.
16:42:37 <danja> hmm, I did give it 30mins earlier (dogwalk)
16:42:46 <xover> Same symptom then?
16:42:50 <danja> yup
16:42:59 <xover> I'd try Repair Permissions then.
16:43:03 <danja> I'll try Repair Permissions
16:43:08 <danja> then. ;-)
16:43:22 <bjoern_> It's not uncommon that the hard drive tries to read certain sectors several thousand times before giving up, and repair tools only taking care of those where it did give up...
16:43:23 <xover> Oh, and like fsck, Disk Util needs to be run dseveral times; until it no longer reports any errors.
16:43:50 <danja> ah,ok
16:43:54 <xover> Alsoft DiskWarrior is also handy when the desperation levels merit it.
16:44:12 <bjoern_> in the good old days, I'd gratiously mark sectors broken directly in the fs using my favourite disk editor...
16:44:21 <danja> boo
16:44:23 <xover> But since it's expensive and ships only on CD (IIRC), you'd need to be pretty desperate.
16:44:46 <xover> (I was, and did, and it worked well)
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16:45:18 <danja> typical timing, I leave for eswc first thing in the morning, hven't quite finished my slides...
16:45:21 <sbp> Benny Hill on ITV3
16:46:08 <xover> Oh, and in the vein of mounting desperation; you ought be able to reinstall Mac OS X over it without nuking your personal data.
16:46:18 <sbp> ahaha. "Face down! It's a bank raid, not the office party."
16:46:35 <danja> load of errors reported on permissions repair...
16:46:40 <xover> I was ruined by 2Live Crew back in the day...
16:46:43 <danja> reinstall, cool
16:47:11 <xover> “Face Down!” inevitably leads me to finish “…Ass Up! That's the way…” etc.
16:47:16 <danja> *loads* of permissions errors
16:47:17 <cre8radix> hey sbp
16:47:19 <phenny> cre8radix: 11:55Z <sbp> tell cre8radix bwahaha, awesome! I totally wouldn't've thought of the squeaky idea. good production
16:47:23 <phenny> cre8radix: 11:55Z <sbp> tell cre8radix the song at the end is awesome, too. who's it by?
16:47:27 <phenny> cre8radix: 11:55Z <saul> tell cre8radix to download http://chinabone.lth.bclub.org.uk/~saul/docs/media/dorkbotlondon_intro.ogg and http://chinabone.lth.bclub.org.uk/~saul/docs/media/dorkbotlondon_peer_education.ogg for his dorkbot radio show
16:47:28 <sbp> yo
16:47:41 <xover> danja: Yeah, that's not unlikely to be your problem here.
16:48:01 <danja> ok, now rebooting
16:50:35 <cre8radix> sbp: the song in the end is by bruder&kronstädta (my fella and i)
16:50:53 <cre8radix> it's called mittendrin
16:51:04 <cre8radix> phenny: "mittendrin"?
16:51:07 <phenny> cre8radix: Hmm, got 'finnish'...
16:51:22 <cre8radix> phenny: "in der mitte"?
16:51:25 <phenny> cre8radix: "in the center" (de)
16:51:39 <bjoern_> well "in the middle of"
16:51:40 <cre8radix> phenny: "mitten in der mitte"?
16:51:43 <phenny> cre8radix: "in the middle in the center" (de)
16:52:33 <cre8radix> sure... i was just wondering if she would come across with in a midst
16:52:39 <cre8radix> hrhr
16:52:49 <danja> hmm, looks the same as before - will double-check repairs all run clear
16:52:50 <sbp> chuckle
16:52:54 <sbp> it's a damn good song!
16:52:58 <cre8radix> thx
16:53:01 <sbp> got it as a separate download?
16:53:11 <cre8radix> yeah... hold on
16:56:49 <cre8radix> sbp: just have the instrumental with me now
16:56:55 <cre8radix> with chosus
16:57:00 <cre8radix> chorus
16:57:37 <sbp> whatever you got would be cool
16:57:45 <sbp> just wanna stick it on my list of things I listen to
16:58:02 <cre8radix> i'm uploading it now
16:58:05 <cre8radix> aiff ok?
16:58:50 <cre8radix> sbp: audio interchange file format ok?
16:58:52 <kpreid> ◊◊◊
16:59:56 <Monty> sbp: You asked me to remind you to watch Shaun! OMG!
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17:02:21 <sbp> deltab: Shaun!
17:02:27 <sbp> cre8radix: AIFF is cool, yup!
17:02:39 <cre8radix> ok
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17:03:55 <cre8radix> 46% 17MB 29.7KB/s 11:08 ETA
17:04:01 <cre8radix> http://tribalradix.org/tribaldatatank/wp-content/uploads/mittendrin.aiff
17:04:36 <cre8radix> check this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zl6hNj1uOkY&NR=1
17:04:41 <cre8radix> cool video
17:05:50 <cre8radix> 57% 21MB 30.3KB/s 08:42 ETA
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17:08:47 * danja discovers os x has a safe mode
17:12:58 <danja> hmm, but now it's stuck on apple+asterisk screen
17:13:47 <danja> give it a minute or two
17:13:53 <kpreid> danja: hold down cmd-V at start for text mode boot with more info
17:15:00 <danja> ok, ta (though sys reinstall is starting to look inevitable)
17:15:44 <kpreid> (note that not every failure-ish message it prints is abnormal)
17:16:35 <sbp> hilarious
17:17:12 <sbp> cre8radix: uploaded yet?
17:18:21 <cre8radix> 100% 36MB 35.6KB/s 17:28
17:18:23 <cre8radix> yep
17:18:25 <cre8radix> sbp
17:18:32 <cre8radix> sloooooow
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17:36:19 <danja> kpreid, cmd-V - it seems tobe looping on "Couldn't find root user. Sleeping and trying again."
17:36:39 <kpreid> don't know what to make of that
17:36:43 <danja> heh
17:36:51 <kpreid> What happens if you boot with cmd-S? (single-user mode)
17:37:03 <danja> I got in ok, and the drive mounted
17:37:16 <danja> tyyyyewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
17:37:26 <danja> sorry, cat
17:37:57 <kpreid> ok, from that do "nidump passwd ."
17:38:09 <danja> 'k
17:38:24 <kpreid> and we can see if it does in fact mean the root user is missing :)
17:39:17 <danja> taking a long time to respond to that
17:39:59 <kpreid> hm, I don't actually know if ni* works in single-user
17:40:06 <danja> lloonngg
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17:40:28 <kpreid> either it doesn't, or your netinfo database is hosed!
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17:41:11 <Monty> lo swhacker
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17:52:11 <danja> sh /etc/rc
17:52:53 <danja> ah, giving me "Couldn't find root user" again
17:53:48 * perigrin finds his NI card ...
17:54:41 <danja> trying util on boot disk, maybe something relevant
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18:15:00 <xover> Any particular process/daemon tagged as emitting the “Couldn't find root user” message?
18:15:11 <xover> It wouldn't be "memberd" by any chance?
18:16:21 <cre8radix> sbp: radio:24 is streaming on http://minifm.dyndns.org:8000/mikrofm.ogg
18:32:16 <xover> [[[
18:32:17 <xover> do {
18:32:17 <xover> OpenDirService();
18:32:17 <xover> if (GetUserWithUID(0) != NULL)
18:32:17 <xover> break;
18:32:17 <xover> else
18:32:19 <xover> {
18:32:21 <xover> syslog(LOG_CRIT, "Couldn't find root user. Sleeping and trying again.");
18:32:23 <xover> sleep(5);
18:32:27 <xover> ResetCache();
18:32:29 <xover> }
18:32:31 <xover> } while (1);
18:32:33 <xover> ]]] — <http://www.opensource.apple.com/darwinsource/10.4.9.x86/memberd-21/UserGroup.c>
18:32:58 <xover> That's just not going to terminate any time soon.
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18:37:22 <bjoern_> OMG xover turned into a tab terrorist!
18:37:25 <ido> 2argh
18:38:03 <ido> 3^I's on IRC make me want to use colors
18:38:11 <bjoern_> 00,01 HELP!
18:38:24 <xover> Perhaps restoring '/var/db/netinfo/local.nidb' from '/var/backups/local.nidump' using the procedure from <http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=107210> will help?
18:38:25 <ido> 4help yourself
18:38:58 <xover> Meh!
18:39:21 <xover> BBEdit turned all Cocoa and user friendly in the last version, and now won't Show Invisibles by default. :-(
18:40:24 <xover> lisppaste2, url?
18:40:24 <lisppaste2> To use the lisppaste bot, visit http://paste.lisp.org/new/swhack and enter your paste.
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18:40:39 <bjoern_> Apple - so userfriendly it even helps you making a fool of yourself?
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18:40:59 <bjoern_> they left in tab-disgust!
18:41:06 <lisppaste2> xover pasted "Darwin Source" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/42191
18:41:57 <crschmidt> anyone in the sf bay area is welcome to join us at wherecamp for free food at lunch
18:42:07 <crschmidt> wherecamp -> sunnyvale, CA
18:42:31 <xover> Bug #57342 still going strong I see. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=57342
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18:43:27 <xover> We should have a party celebrating its 7th year aniversary on October 19th.
18:43:28 <bjoern_> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=373143 is 3 months old now, with no progress whatsoever...
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19:01:49 <KragenSitaker> .ety strategy
19:01:52 <phenny> "1810, 'art of a general,' from Fr. stratégie, from Gk. strategia 'office or command of a general,' from strategos 'general,' from stratos 'multitude, army, expedition,' lit. 'that which is spread out' (see structure) + agos 'leader,' from agein 'to lead' (see act)." - http://etymonline.com/?term=strategy
19:05:55 * bjoern_ amused by http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wallraffa
19:06:09 <KragenSitaker> what does it say?
19:06:50 <bjoern_> Well it's a proper .sv verb coined after a german investigative journalist.
19:07:34 <xover> «“To Walraff,” after Günter Walraff, to act under a secret identity, especially as a journalist/reporter.»
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19:14:02 <sbp> FACT: Alice Roberts is 5' 7"
19:14:16 * sbp is watching the new series of Coast
19:14:32 <bjoern_> sounds you are spending your time very well...
19:15:01 <xover> [[[
19:15:02 <xover> His investigative methods have led to the creation of the Swedish verb
19:15:02 <xover> 'wallraffa' meaning "to expose misconduct from the inside by assuming a
19:15:02 <xover> role" which has been officially included in word list of the Swedish
19:15:02 <xover> Academy.
19:15:02 <xover> ]]] — .wik Günter Wallraff
19:15:44 <sbp> bjoern_: actually...
19:16:45 * sbp boggles at how many European countries have official Academies to monitor the language
19:25:58 <bjoern_> hmm LOLCOPZ http://www.flickr.com/photos/8726182@N08/
19:26:33 <sbp> rofl(copter!1)
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19:30:20 <bjoern_> http://farm1.static.flickr.com/249/518403240_c9a9f6bb5a.jpg?v=0
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19:30:57 <sbp> him can has lorrybonk
19:31:07 <jsled> lolzorz1
19:31:36 <sbp> am you is jsled!
19:32:45 <sbp> G-BJOP
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19:39:06 <KragenSitaker> .g carbecue
19:39:09 <phenny> KragenSitaker: http://www.carbecue.net/
19:39:11 <KragenSitaker> .gc carbecue
19:39:13 <phenny> carbecue: 2,420
19:39:49 <KragenSitaker> "
19:39:49 <KragenSitaker> We are a mobile on-site caterer, specializing in
19:39:51 <KragenSitaker> smoked, grilled and barbecued food."
19:39:56 <KragenSitaker> i was thinking of the banlieues
19:43:34 <KragenSitaker> .gc "vapid lifestyle"
19:43:37 <phenny> "vapid lifestyle": 1,430
19:43:53 <KragenSitaker> .compare "vapid lifestyle" "lifestyle choices" "vapid lifestyle choices" lifestyle
19:43:56 <phenny> lifestyle (199,000,000), "lifestyle choices" (1,140,000), "vapid lifestyle" (1,430), "vapid lifestyle choices" (1)
19:45:38 <KragenSitaker> so 5.7% of lifestyles have "choices", 0.0007% are "vapid", which would predict about 8 occurrences of "vapid lifestyle choices"
19:46:00 <KragenSitaker> if those measured occurrences of phrases rather than of documents containing those phrases
19:48:24 <sbp> .gc ulfisk
19:48:27 <phenny> ulfisk: 0
19:48:38 <bjoern_> way too many ascenders to make a good domain name
19:48:50 <sbp> hehe
19:49:00 <sbp> you didn't decide yet?
19:49:09 <bjoern_> not at all!
19:49:18 <bjoern_> but I didn't try hard finding one either.
19:49:25 <sbp> ah
19:52:43 <KragenSitaker> why are ascenders bad in a domain name
19:52:44 <KragenSitaker> ?
19:53:07 <KragenSitaker> it seems to me like it would be more important to avoid repeated letters on the same phone key and letters on the right side of the phone key
19:53:27 <KragenSitaker> so "damp" should be much better than "feed" for example
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19:56:59 <bjoern_> hmm interesting which languages http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Werther_effect is available in
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20:07:15 <deltab> sbp: How We Built Britain on BBC1 now
20:07:33 <sbp> deltab: yeppers, watching it
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20:08:02 <Monty> But what does DrBacchus have to do with the price of fish?
20:08:04 <phenny> Hush there, Monty.
20:08:14 <Monty> lemme see it not far, i've made mistakes in Germany either, I came to his achievements in Atherton, California with shailar skills) would want baby http://www.facebook.com/help.php?tab=suggest
20:09:31 <DrBacchus> Monty: EVERYTHING. Loser.
20:09:32 <Monty> doesn't give you
20:18:12 <sbp> that's some barn
20:23:05 <sbp> rabbits! special enclosures! warreners!
20:24:49 * perigrin has invited the bunnies into his home.
20:25:03 <sbp> do they help out with the dishes?
20:25:04 <perigrin> He's mildly freaked out because we're cleaning today.
20:25:11 <perigrin> Sadly no, he does not.
20:25:22 <sbp> he's not joining in with the cleaning even? you should spill some carrots
20:25:22 <perigrin> Well not entirely true.
20:25:42 <KragenSitaker> oh my
20:25:44 <perigrin> If left un-attended he does volunteer to deal with left over cheetos
20:25:51 <KragenSitaker> 430 police and more than 1000 people injured in riots
20:25:53 <KragenSitaker> http://www.ft.com/cms/s/5cae83e8-11cb-11dc-b963-000b5df10621.html
20:26:46 <sbp> ooh, he's going to Dimbleby
20:26:54 <sbp> oh, Dembleby!
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20:38:28 <sbp> .gc "Lavernum Blue"
20:38:30 <phenny> "Lavernum Blue": 0
20:38:42 <bjoern_> According to news reports today, the police officer in charge has been replaced in a rather unprecedendet move while the protests where still going; according to the reports, the original officer, unlike his replacement, had little experience with violent protests.
20:38:57 <bjoern_> If true, that would be a most damning revelation about our media.
20:39:22 <sbp> .gc "Lavenham Blue"
20:39:24 <phenny> "Lavenham Blue": 31
20:39:33 * sbp still doubts the spelling
20:39:44 <bjoern_> (Or can it be that hard to ask whether the man in charge is the best pick for the job?!)
20:39:46 <sbp> hmm, no, that seems right
20:40:16 <bjoern_> I am looking for a good translation for "verheizen"
20:40:51 <bjoern_> it literally means "used for heating", like, throwing coal into your heater
20:41:08 <bjoern_> but it's often used in other contexts, like, what you'd call cannon fodder
20:41:22 <nicomen> heh
20:41:32 <nicomen> heatshield?
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20:41:46 <nicomen> "to take the heat"
20:42:02 <bjoern_> no, you misunderstood
20:42:13 <nicomen> I did!
20:44:18 <bjoern_> What I mean is using people (with highly negative consequences) for some purpose, without regard to their safety, and without giving much consideration to other, less dangerous, options.
20:44:51 <sbp> bjoern_: lemmings
20:45:02 <bjoern_> well they are not being used
20:45:14 <bjoern_> and I am looking for a verb
20:45:14 <sbp> trained lemmings
20:46:46 <xover> Chaff?
20:47:56 <bjoern_> I want a verb "to use as cannon fodder" that's suitable in a cannon-less context.
20:48:12 <sbp> waste?
20:48:57 <bjoern_> I think "waste" is not sufficiently accusatory
20:49:43 <bjoern_> or, put differently, not sufficiently suggestive of the consequences of the people being "wasted"
20:49:55 <sbp> murder
20:50:12 <bjoern_> that's too direct
20:50:37 <bjoern_> I take it there is no good idiom, beyond cannon fodder...
20:56:27 <KragenSitaker> 16:37 < bjoern_> If true, that would be a most damning revelation about our media.
20:56:38 <KragenSitaker> about . . . our media?
20:57:13 <KragenSitaker> how about "to sacrifice"
20:57:38 <KragenSitaker> "to scapegoat", "to blame"
20:57:48 <KragenSitaker> there must be a better idiom for this in english
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20:58:51 <Monty> welcome, JibberJim
20:59:08 <KragenSitaker> "to throw to the wolves"?
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21:00:39 <KragenSitaker> "to let [someone] take the heat"?
21:00:52 <KragenSitaker> that was nicomen's suggestion i think
21:06:36 <nicomen> aha
21:07:46 <sbp> perhaps there's some awesome archaic term for it
21:07:53 <sbp> that could be revived through bjoern_'s initiative!
21:08:01 <sbp> that'd be great
21:09:50 <bjoern_> !
21:10:36 <nicomen> bjoern_: dispensable or expendable wouldn't fit?
21:10:42 <bjoern_> Yes, the media. They are supposed to be our failsafe.
21:10:42 <nicomen> expenditory?
21:10:45 <KragenSitaker> "to treat as expendable"?
21:11:06 <KragenSitaker> bjoern_: what do you think the media should have done that this revelation shows that they didn't
21:11:22 <KragenSitaker> well, we could just use "verheizen" and explain what it means
21:11:38 <KragenSitaker> that's what we've done with certain other german terms that were hard to translate
21:12:06 <nicomen> replaceable, superfluous
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21:12:11 <Monty> lo jetscreamer
21:12:33 <KragenSitaker> like "zeitgeist" and "schadenfreude"
21:12:39 <bjoern_> Report "Guy with no experience in charge"?
21:13:13 <nicomen> "boss" ?
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21:13:22 <KragenSitaker> it said he had little, not no, experience with violent protests, not little experience in general
21:13:46 <bjoern_> well, I was oversimplifying obviously
21:14:03 <bjoern_> they also wouldn't refer to him as "Guy"
21:14:21 <KragenSitaker> but this wasn't supposed to be a violent protest
21:14:53 <KragenSitaker> i assume you mean that they should have reported this fact earlier, i.e. before the protest turned violent
21:15:10 <KragenSitaker> there are lots of protests in germany that aren't violent, aren't there?
21:17:37 <bjoern_> I am saying, if someone is put in charge of something he isn't fit for, the media is supposed to report just that when he is put in charge. The police most clearly expected a certain level of violence, so someone fit for the job would be someone experienced with that kind of situation.
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21:27:13 <KragenSitaker> german journalists must be a lot better than US journalists if you expect them to even know which particular police officers are in charge of which police operations in advance, let alone investigate their qualifications for the job
21:27:22 <KragenSitaker> it's not as if the guy was the new police chief
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21:33:55 <bjoern_> Yes, they are quite a lot better as far as I can tell. We are slowly approaching US conditions though.
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22:04:50 <jsled> http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap070603.html
22:20:40 <bjoern_> klingons attack!
22:25:19 <perigrin> p'tah!
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23:03:08 <bjoern_> "TV rivals join forces to press Ofcom to end Sky's dominance" -- http://news.independent.co.uk/business/news/article2607307.ece
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23:09:37 <bjoern_> "Gordon Brown has pledged not to put civil liberties at risk over plans to introduce new anti-terror laws" -- http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/6716865.stm
23:09:56 <bjoern_> Well put. What doesn't exist is clearly not at risk of not existing.
23:10:53 <Tene> there are no civil liberties whatsoever in the UK currently?
23:12:28 <bjoern_> Well certainly there are...
23:12:29 <bjoern_> .gc "peace guns"
23:12:32 <phenny> "peace guns": 690
23:18:19 <Ash> .gc peace and carrots
23:18:21 <phenny> peace and carrots: 1,000,000
23:18:31 <Ash> wait, since when did the uk get civil liberties?
23:18:45 <Ash> sounds like we'd better install more cameras to make sure they don't have any
23:23:19 <bjoern_> You are free to do as you are told, or suffer the consequences, are you not?
23:24:13 <kpreid> .compare "or suffer the consequences" "and suffer the consequences" "and/or suffer the consequences"
23:24:16 <phenny> "or suffer the consequences" (135,000), "and suffer the consequences" (76,700), "and/or suffer the consequences" (19)
23:24:52 <bjoern_> see, having both at the same time is also possible!
23:24:54 <bjoern_> so many choices!
23:25:06 <Tene> You're still free to discuss the situation on IRC.
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23:28:05 <bjoern_> You sure? The swhack intro is: "please be careful not to say anything that'll destroy your future potential political career"
23:29:02 <kpreid> personally, I think "your hypothetical political correar is already kaput" is closer to reality
23:29:08 <kpreid> career, even
23:29:53 <perigrin> .compare "xor suffer the consequences" "nand suffer the consequences"
23:29:57 <phenny> "xor suffer the consequences" (0), "nand suffer the consequences" (0)
23:30:13 <kpreid> .gc "suffer the prerequisites"
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23:30:16 <phenny> "suffer the prerequisites": 1
23:30:25 * bjoern_ is reminded of our recent "when the revolution comes" discussion...
23:30:26 <perigrin> .gc "enjoy the consquences"
23:30:28 <phenny> "enjoy the consquences": 3
23:30:43 <perigrin> is the revolution coming around again?
23:30:44 <kpreid> .gc "enjoy the consequences"
23:30:47 <phenny> "enjoy the consequences": 809
23:31:04 <bjoern_> .gc "enjoying the consequences"
23:31:06 * perigrin is happy there are three other people unable to spell
23:31:06 <phenny> "enjoying the consequences": 85,700
23:31:36 <kpreid> .gc "suffer the consasquatches"
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