00:02:42 <bjoern_> http://wjz.com/topstories/topstories_story_078135610.html
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00:17:25 <thelsdj> I want to release a book titled "Of And The" just to see how amazon.com would put the name in the url
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00:35:42 <bjoern_> turns out the number of severily injured policemen in Rostock was slightly inflated
00:36:08 <bjoern_> initially reported as 30-41, it appears a more accurate count would be 2.
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01:57:41 <Monty> Thank goodness, tonybaloney is back!
01:57:43 <phenny> Be quiet, Monty.
01:57:47 <Monty> It's true to say that problems gives birth to wacky toilet!
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02:00:18 <Monty> Speak of the devil, it's jewel__!
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03:46:21 <Monty> Thank goodness, plex0r is back!
03:46:23 <phenny> Be quiet, Monty.
03:46:27 <Monty> slowest fanatical hamster plays with greasy fibre-glass Ulverston.
03:46:42 <plex0r> hey
03:49:57 <AeroLeviathan> sbp, are you the bot that does tell stuff?
03:50:13 <AeroLeviathan> sbp, tell me something.
03:50:19 <AeroLeviathan> aw.
03:50:30 * AeroLeviathan isn't good with these bots
03:51:00 <xover> phenny: help?
03:51:03 <phenny> Hi, I'm phenny (a http://inamidst.com/phenny/)
03:51:06 <phenny> Commands: acronym, beats, charinfo, codepoint, compare, email, gimage, google, googlecalc, googlecount, googledef, httphead, kalusa, map, myersbriggs, podecoint, rate, rates, remind, representation, seen, swhackcount, swhackcount2007, swhackorigin, swhacktail, tavtime, thesaurus, time, translate, validate, wordlength2007, wordnet
03:51:09 <phenny> Try "phenny: help command?" if stuck. My owner is sbp.
03:51:51 <xover> phenny: help tell
03:51:52 <AeroLeviathan> wait, an unvoiced bot? that's no fair!
03:51:53 <phenny> Sorry, no documentation for tell.
03:52:38 <xover> I think there was a reason for that, in phenny's case.
03:52:42 <Tene> sbp isn't a bot
03:52:50 <AeroLeviathan> well now i'm just confused.
03:52:52 <Ash> sbp is a bot
03:53:06 <Tene> Oh, nevermind.
03:53:11 <Tene> I was thinking of someone else, I guess.
03:53:13 <AeroLeviathan> i was tryna make a joke, but i guess it took too much effort to be funny, now!
03:53:19 <Ash> d8uv is the one that isn't a bot
03:53:30 <AeroLeviathan> i will proceed anyway.
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03:53:44 <AeroLeviathan> phenny: tell tene that bots should only speak when spoken to.
03:53:45 <plex0r> i cant get phenny bot to start
03:53:46 <phenny> AeroLeviathan: I'll pass that on when tene is around.
03:53:47 <plex0r> how do i do that?
03:54:33 <AeroLeviathan> actually, i think phenny might be useful for my channel.
03:56:50 <Ash> phenny: tell lksdjflkajsrflhweithqeoirhasufhauihsdfuiwehfugqaeygfquweyfgiqufhuiqwhefiuqwhefugqwefygqwieuquiwefguiqwefguiqgwefuiqguqghwefygqeuifhqweufgquiwegfquiefguiqwegfiuwegfiquegf that hi
03:56:52 <phenny> Ash: That nickname is too long.
03:56:57 <Ash> phenny: no it isn't
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04:29:12 <plex0r> !acronym
04:29:13 <swhask> Unknown command, try @list
04:29:17 <plex0r> @list
04:29:18 <supybot> plex0r: Admin, Alias, AutoMode, Babelfish, Channel, ChannelStats, Config, Darcs, Dict, Filter, Format, Games, 02G04o08o02g03l04e, Herald, Internet, Karma, Lart, Later, Lookup, Math, Misc, Network, Nickometer, Note, Owner, Plugin, Poll, Praise, Python, Quote, RSS, Relay, Reply, Scheduler, Seen, ShrinkUrl, Sourceforge, Status, String, Supybot, Time, Todo, Topic, URL, Unix, User, Utilities, Weather, and Web
04:30:08 <plex0r> !unix
04:30:08 <swhask> Maybe you meant: undo unpf unpl
04:30:14 <plex0r> !internet
04:30:14 <swhask> Unknown command, try @list
04:30:20 <plex0r> !google
04:30:21 <swhask> Empty search.
04:31:23 <AeroLeviathan> .devoice
04:33:43 <Mike_L> supybot: shrinkurl http://swhack.com/
04:33:43 <supybot> Mike_L: Error: The "ShrinkUrl" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "http://swhack.com/" in it. Try "list ShrinkUrl" to see the commands in the "ShrinkUrl" plugin.
04:33:45 <phenny> Mike_L: 01 Jun 07:40Z <xover> tell Mike_L that Qt seems to be a popular choice and is quite cross-platform with bindings for many languages.
04:34:06 <Mike_L> supybot: list shrinkurl
04:34:06 <supybot> Mike_L: ln and tiny
04:34:32 <Mike_L> supybot: shrinkurl ln http://swhack.com/
04:34:38 <supybot> Mike_L: http://ln-s.net/_zw
04:35:10 <Mike_L> ln -s .net :D
04:37:36 <Tene> .cp bilabial
04:37:38 <phenny> Tene: 03:53Z <AeroLeviathan> tell Tene that bots should only speak when spoken to.
04:37:38 <phenny> 0298: LATIN LETTER BILABIAL CLICK (ʘ)
04:37:41 <phenny> 02AC: LATIN LETTER BILABIAL PERCUSSIVE (ʬ)
04:38:04 <Mike_L> .cp quadrilabial click
04:38:06 <phenny> Sorry, no results found for 'quadrilabial click'.
04:38:13 <Mike_L> .cp quadrilabial percussive
04:38:16 <phenny> Sorry, no results found for 'quadrilabial percussive'.
04:42:59 <AeroLeviathan> phenny: remind me in 0:0:30 something
04:43:06 <AeroLeviathan> phenny: help remind
04:43:08 <phenny> "tell <nick> <blargh> - I'll remind nick about blargh."
04:43:25 <AeroLeviathan> phenny: tell sbp to fix phenny's 'remind' functionality :(
04:43:27 <phenny> AeroLeviathan: I'll pass that on when sbp is around.
04:45:05 <kpreid> AeroLeviathan: phenny never had a timed reminder
04:45:14 <kpreid> AeroLeviathan: Monty does, however
04:45:17 <Monty> calibrated religious beliefs, apparently.
04:45:42 <AeroLeviathan> kpreid: not according to http://inamidst.com/phenny/ which i'm trying to run in my own channel >_>
04:46:15 <kpreid> Oh.
04:47:01 <Mike_L> Monty: calibrated to what, dear Monty?
04:47:02 <Monty> rofl
04:47:53 <AeroLeviathan> Monty: remind me in 0:0:30 something
04:47:56 <Monty> I reckon Snowman's Land + flatmates = tarmac shaver?!
04:48:10 <AeroLeviathan> <_<
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07:11:39 <sbp> phenny: tell AeroLeviathan I commented it out (see the bottom of timer.py) because nobody was ever using it! just remove the #'s and all should be well
07:11:41 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when aeroleviathan is around.
07:11:43 <phenny> sbp: 04:43Z <AeroLeviathan> tell sbp to fix phenny's 'remind' functionality :(
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07:18:47 <sbp> # is pronounced "hash", incidentally...
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07:34:04 <Tene> .pc ∅℣℮ℛℒ⓪ÅⅮ
07:34:06 <phenny> 2205: EMPTY SET (∅)
07:34:09 <phenny> 2123: VERSICLE (℣)
07:34:12 <phenny> 212E: ESTIMATED SYMBOL (℮)
07:35:21 <Tene> but in perl, "hash" is spelled %
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08:38:13 <mzeltner> G'day
08:38:34 <mzeltner> Re Topic: I've looked everywhere for the essence, but I can't find it anywhere :'(
08:39:19 <Tene> sbp: what was the problem with having remind functionality in the bot without it being used?
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10:25:10 <cre8radix_> sbp: there?
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10:51:09 <sbp> cre8radix_: yo
10:51:41 <sbp> back in a bit
10:54:14 <cre8radix_> how to restart phenny while she's runnin'?
10:54:29 <cre8radix_> sbp
10:54:36 <sbp> do you want to reload a module, or restart the whole thing?
10:54:44 <sbp> to reload a module, "phenny: reload modulename"
10:54:50 <cre8radix_> changed something in the config
10:54:52 <sbp> otherwise, you have to kill -9 her and run her again
10:54:58 <cre8radix_> ok
10:54:59 <cre8radix_> hx
10:54:59 <sbp> ah, yeah. you'll have to kill and restart
10:55:03 <sbp> np
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10:55:13 <cre8radix_> hanx...hrhr
10:55:23 <sbp> :-)
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14:35:40 <Monty> bah, it's ows again
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15:12:26 <crschmidt> .compare "arse tree" "parse tree" "parse ree"
15:12:29 <phenny> "parse tree" (538,000), "arse tree" (422), "parse ree" (2)
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15:43:52 <AeroLeviathan> thanks sbp!
15:43:54 <phenny> AeroLeviathan: 07:11Z <sbp> tell AeroLeviathan I commented it out (see the bottom of timer.py) because nobody was ever using it! just remove the #'s and all should be well
15:45:42 <sbp> np
15:53:42 <AeroLeviathan> sbp: since you're here, maybe you could tell me the syntax for 'reload'?
15:54:14 * AeroLeviathan isn't very good with python <_<
15:54:33 <AeroLeviathan> it looks like it should be something simple, but i can't get it..
16:04:30 <sbp> phenny: reload wikipedia
16:04:33 <phenny> sbp: <module 'modules.wikipedia' from '/home/sbp/phenny/modules/wikipedia.pyc'> (version: 2007-05-31 13:56:15)
16:04:34 <sbp> for example
16:04:39 <Ash> phenny: reload sbp
16:04:41 <phenny> ImportError: No module named sbp (file "/home/sbp/phenny/modules/reload.py", line 12, in f_reload)
16:04:52 <Ash> phenny: reload reload
16:04:54 <phenny> Ash: <module 'modules.reload' from '/home/sbp/phenny/modules/reload.pyc'> (version: 2007-03-01 17:31:01)
16:05:42 <AeroLeviathan> oic
16:05:44 <AeroLeviathan> thanks
16:05:47 <sbp> np
16:06:01 <Ash> phenny: reload lolsville.py
16:06:03 <phenny> ImportError: No module named lolsville.py (file "/home/sbp/phenny/modules/reload.py", line 12, in f_reload)
16:08:07 <Ash> phenny: reload phenny
16:08:09 <phenny> ImportError: No module named phenny (file "/home/sbp/phenny/modules/reload.py", line 12, in f_reload)
16:11:05 <nicomen> reload /etc/passwd ;D
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16:54:01 <AeroLeviathan> phenny: reload ../../../../bin/arbitrary_code_execution
16:54:03 <phenny> ValueError: Empty module name (file "/home/sbp/phenny/modules/reload.py", line 12, in f_reload)
16:54:07 <AeroLeviathan> <_<
16:54:25 <AeroLeviathan> guess not!
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17:47:28 <jcowan> Ittywhonk!
17:49:58 <xover> Teh Cowan!
17:50:09 <jcowan> Teh xover!
18:03:39 <sbp> deltab: Meades!
18:04:13 <deltab> thanks
18:04:31 <sbp> ha, his reflection was walking the other way
18:04:36 <bjoern_> http://www.welt.de/multimedia/archive/00270/1984_kas_DW_Politik_270813g.jpg
18:05:30 <bjoern_> the london 2012 turns out to be dangerous btw
18:05:45 <sbp> yeah, that's been all across the news here
18:05:54 <sbp> plus calls to scrap it, continuing
18:06:15 <sbp> covertly? cover as in cover? interesting
18:06:25 <bjoern_> right. not paying for the current one would be a good first step.
18:06:38 <sbp> yeah, Livingstone proposed they not pay 'em
18:06:57 <sbp> okay, I'm gonna have to watch this. gotta concentrate with Meades
18:08:33 <sbp> bwahaha. the duck cacophany was brilliant
18:13:51 <sbp> jumping beans? oh, guess not
18:14:36 <sbp> hmm, I heard three t's in poestaster there
18:14:43 <sbp> s/oes/oe/
18:15:40 <jcowan> What, poettaster, or poetastter?
18:16:31 <sbp> saxon deities with runes: hmm!
18:17:14 <sbp> shame about all the changes and ruins. I preferred the hemispherical dome
18:17:22 <sbp> blithely is a good word
18:18:37 <sbp> seems to be much less social commentary and visual trickery in this edition
18:19:19 <sbp> .gc "opulently corpulent"
18:19:22 <phenny> "opulently corpulent": 2
18:21:28 <sbp> they lasted only because they're secluded and now protected, though! they wouldn't've lasted in the city
18:22:16 <sbp> hehe. a magnet for duff poets
18:23:33 <sbp> awesome Hippocrates quote...
18:23:57 <jcowan> sbp: what on earth are you talking about?
18:24:31 <sbp> "no genocide was ever commited because of adherance to the idea of English Augustan landscaping"
18:24:56 <sbp> notes on Meade, don't mind me
18:25:36 <sbp> "even with subtitles, there is no consensus about the meaning"
18:26:18 <sbp> Pastor Fido?
18:26:33 <sbp> ha, its long-s's have those annoying hooks
18:27:45 <sbp> hmm. observation of landscape as something that has to be learned...
18:29:54 <sbp> sweet, Castle of Otranto got a mention
18:32:08 <sbp> "spatially inescapable [...] the gentlest of mental traps"
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18:33:25 <sbp> thesyoose? huh
18:35:00 <sbp> I get his thesis, but I think he's understating the Uncanny Valley aspect of the whole thing
18:35:22 <sbp> I don't think suspension of disbelief really cuts it
18:35:29 <sbp> especially when you're immersed
18:36:57 <sbp> heh, topiaried obelisks
18:39:13 <jcowan> "Belief must not be so much suspended as hanged, drawn, and quartered." --JRRT
18:39:16 <sbp> .gc "furious prescience"
18:39:18 <phenny> "furious prescience": 0
18:40:20 <sbp> @@ check that the lawnmower was invented in 1830
18:40:21 <supybot> sbp: Error: "@" is not a valid command.
18:40:26 <sbp> cram
18:41:13 <sbp> wow, he took his sunglasses off
18:41:38 <sbp> it would've been funnier if he kept them on
18:43:04 <jcowan> Lawnmower invented 1827 by Edwin Beard Budding, per Wikipedia
18:43:09 <sbp> "it's not much of a palace"
18:43:11 <sbp> ah, thanks!
18:43:41 <sbp> this is all about Stowe
18:44:45 <sbp> .gc "contrapuntal collisions"
18:44:47 <phenny> "contrapuntal collisions": 6
18:45:54 <sbp> no ducks that time...
18:46:12 <sbp> "imagination cannot be measured in yards" (bit out of context)
18:46:32 <sbp> ooh, I was thinking to just chop the wings off. pulling them in works really well though
18:47:39 <sbp> "it is desperate not to offend, a quality which is in itself offensive"
18:48:30 <sbp> "like all great artists, he made his own genre" (Capability Brown)
18:48:46 <sbp> .gc "the hallucinatory park"
18:48:49 <phenny> "the hallucinatory park": 0
18:49:05 <Ash> WHO ARE ALL YOU PEOPLE
18:49:08 <Ash> WHY ARE YOU HACKING MY SCREEN
18:49:10 <Ash> STOPPPPPPPPP
18:49:25 <sbp> welp, that was good. I think I preferred last week's more though, on the history of suburbianism
18:49:58 <deltab> did you see Points of View? I missed it
18:50:13 <sbp> yes, I think I did actually. can't remember much of it...
18:50:21 <sbp> they said that Bill Oddie was on far too often
18:50:45 <sbp> and there was a debate about which 70s shows to bring back that I didn't follow since it presumed somewhat that you were around and watching telly in the 70s
18:50:53 * sbp skips the Coastlet to get foods &c. for Springwatch
18:50:55 <deltab> not liking this new things of playing other music over end credits music
18:50:58 <Ash> la la la lal al ala
18:55:49 <sbp> deltab: yeah, that was terrible. especially since it was so much louder and I'd turned it up to listen properly. it was like BOOM BOOM BOOM
18:55:57 <sbp> (plus the music sucked ass)
18:57:48 <sbp> excellent, SHAKSPER is back up and running!
18:57:56 <sbp> with articles backdated to the 16th May...
18:58:40 <xover> They have an Atom feed?
18:58:51 <sbp> nope, I very much doubt it
18:58:59 <sbp> it's not all that technologically inclined, sadly
18:59:09 <sbp> it's taken them nearly a month to sort out their r00ted box
18:59:35 <sbp> perhaps I should make a site -> feed scrape for it
18:59:41 <xover> Perhaps offer some assistance?
18:59:48 <sbp> (like AaronSw did for more than a site or two back in ye day)
19:00:06 <sbp> with the feed? could do...
19:01:53 * sbp avoids listening to the England vs. Estonia match...
19:02:06 <sbp> it was kinda atrocious listening to England vs. Andorra
19:02:53 <sbp> "I'm putting that in for the Turner Prize" - Bill Oddie on a plate of yorkshire puddings
19:06:43 <sbp> okay, they're reading out things from a messageboard too
19:06:48 <sbp> I noticed this with Points of View
19:07:00 <sbp> when they read out things from a messageboard, they have to mention the usernames
19:07:09 <sbp> which are sometimes faintly ridiculous
19:07:21 <sbp> I hope this trend continues
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19:07:50 <sbp> especially if the ratio of name-stupidity:message-eloquence increases
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19:09:10 <sbp> .gc tug-a-vole
19:09:13 <phenny> tug-a-vole: 0
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19:21:41 <perigrin> .compare "faces of death" "asses of death" "dumpfiles of death"
19:21:44 <phenny> "faces of death" (526,000), "asses of death" (1,190), "dumpfiles of death" (0)
19:21:58 <perigrin> .gc "elbows of death"
19:22:01 <phenny> "elbows of death": 1,840
19:22:07 <perigrin> hmm ...
19:24:25 <sbp> ooh, 1-0
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19:24:37 <sbp> .compare dumpfiles dumpflies
19:24:40 <phenny> dumpfiles (29,400), dumpflies (5)
19:25:40 <sbp> .gc "fruity lard"
19:25:42 <phenny> "fruity lard": 2
19:26:20 <perigrin> .gc "salty lard"
19:26:23 <phenny> "salty lard": 102
19:26:25 <sbp> "you've got a great tit on your couscous!" - Kate Humble
19:28:19 <jcowan> Ah yes, the old great-tit in the joke trick! --Maxwell Smart
19:32:44 <Schuyler> sbp, I read your post about the death of stable p2p
19:32:53 <sbp> Schuyler: oh! really? wow
19:32:55 <Schuyler> I actually have to beg to differ with you on one point.
19:32:58 <sbp> what'd you think?
19:32:59 <sbp> oh?
19:33:09 <Schuyler> Well, you are basically right about the individual and the Big Org.
19:33:28 <Schuyler> but there is a middle case which slips through the cracks of your argument -- the non-profit use case.
19:33:52 <Schuyler> in particular there are terabytes of geodata that are theoretically free but there's nowhere to store them where they can be gotten at
19:34:00 <sbp> ah. basically organisations who need lots and lots of space but can't afford it... gotcha
19:34:03 <Schuyler> it's well to say "users of big data should pay" but
19:34:04 <Schuyler> yep
19:34:10 <Schuyler> so I see stable p2p still has a use case
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19:34:28 <sbp> sorta like SETI@home, only for disc space rather than CPU cycles!
19:34:29 <Schuyler> for non-profit public service uses.
19:34:32 <Schuyler> yeah
19:34:36 <Schuyler> MapTiles@home
19:34:50 <Schuyler> (not to be confused with the OSM t@h effort which is more like SETI)
19:34:50 <sbp> that mightn't be a bad way of "marketing" it, actually
19:35:02 <Schuyler> OSM are already on top of it :)
19:35:11 <sbp> cool. got links to that?
19:35:12 <Schuyler> marketing it that is
19:35:23 <Schuyler> they're not actually doing distributed storage
19:35:27 <Schuyler> just distributed map rendering
19:35:30 <sbp> ah
19:35:32 <Schuyler> I want to do distributed storage
19:35:36 <Schuyler> I figured out how, I think
19:35:47 <perigrin> memcached and ZOMIE NETWORK!
19:36:19 * sbp tries to factor in how relevant this is from the point of view of the large Stable P2P-using omniapplication... probably not too much, but I still probably should've thought about this case
19:36:22 <Schuyler> picture a 2-D variant of Kademlia where the "hash" is actually a coordinate pair (i.e. a 2D vector) in a spherical or cylindrical coordinate system
19:36:33 <sbp> .g Kademlia
19:36:35 <phenny> sbp: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kademlia
19:36:36 <Schuyler> sbp, it does seem like a constrained use case
19:36:45 <Schuyler> but I think the applications will broaden.
19:36:55 <sbp> yeah, that's a good point
19:37:03 <Schuyler> anyway I have written 90% of the code for this
19:37:20 <Schuyler> the map tile case is interesting because it demands low latency for smallish bits of data
19:37:24 <jcowan> What about freenet?
19:37:28 <Schuyler> too slow.
19:37:36 <sbp> though you have to think about how that will balance against the increase in space availability through technology advances, as usual. that's one of the long term worries that I note in the article, I think
19:37:52 <perigrin> Schuyler, did you see M$'s seadragon?
19:37:53 <Schuyler> sbp, agreed. that's part of why I haven't finished the code yet.
19:37:57 <sbp> :-)
19:38:12 <Schuyler> perigrin: I saw the demo. what's the underlying tech? I couldn't figure out how they got that kind of throughput over the intarwebs.
19:38:32 <perigrin> I only stumbled across it yesterday.
19:38:41 <perigrin> and I was wondering the same.
19:39:08 <Schuyler> doesn't seem like they could do that live
19:39:23 <Schuyler> I wouldn't be surprised if the TED demo was a mockup
19:39:52 <perigrin> They have it on their website
19:39:55 <Schuyler> sbp: anyway, space availability hasn't moved as quickly as I'd hoped.
19:40:04 <Schuyler> also, space increases with Moore's Law but bandwidth doesn't.
19:40:08 <sbp> I think we all hope for a little more
19:40:18 <perigrin> but I don't have a windows PC to access it.
19:40:18 <sbp> ah yes, another thing I hadn't considered
19:40:29 <Schuyler> another arg for the p2p approach, anyway.
19:40:37 <Schuyler> perigrin: ditto
19:40:45 <sbp> some half-mad guy was ranting about bandwith to me the other day. made for interesting reading; ISP conspiracies keeping bandwidth down and the like
19:41:00 <mumbles> :P
19:41:13 <jcowan> For every scarce resource, there exists at least one conspiracy theory saying that the Gnomes of Y are keeping it that way.
19:41:19 <bjoern_> I thought storage per dollar grows much faster than transistor density...
19:42:39 <sbp> .gc "Gnomes of Y"
19:42:42 <phenny> "Gnomes of Y": 0
19:43:15 <jcowan> (for some Y)
19:43:23 <sbp> ygnomes: Middle English venture capital
19:43:35 <jcowan> (X being the implicit logical variable quantifying over scarce resources)
19:46:02 <deltab> oh sbp, did I mention this? http://houseoffame.blogspot.com/2007/05/i-can-hath-cheezburger.html
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19:46:23 <sbp> woah, no! awesome!
19:46:33 <sbp> damn, I forgot to subscribe
19:46:45 * sbp subscribes
19:47:37 <deltab> heh, "y-swiped"
19:48:28 <sbp> totally descended from him
19:48:54 <sbp> no mention of Gower in this one. shame
19:49:09 <sbp> I love the Gower competitiveness spatting
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19:49:24 <Monty> lo maxkelley
19:50:40 <maxkelley> lo, Monty
19:50:46 <Monty> yeah! makes sense to put him right by lung cancers are u beta and an -a to offend, a million total verdreht
19:51:03 <maxkelley> just the response I would expect from you, Monty.
19:51:07 <Monty> tractors's fugal child breaks hammers's petrol-powered underwear!
19:51:20 <maxkelley> exactly what I figured!
19:51:26 *** sbp changed the topic to: "<Monty> petrol-powered underwear!"
19:52:25 <maxkelley> Of course.. my oddness inspires monty to inspire sbp to make a new channel topic
19:52:27 <Monty> something really little
19:52:38 <sbp> little but lovely
19:52:54 <maxkelley> lovely but little?
19:53:58 <sbp> if but is its own inverse, sure
19:54:08 <sbp> .gc autoinverse
19:54:10 <phenny> autoinverse: 20
19:54:13 <jcowan> It's one thing to have explosions in your butt, quite another thing to have them provided by an autonomous engine.
19:54:30 <maxkelley> and this is why I love #swhack :)
19:54:35 <crschmidt> mmm, butplosions
19:54:53 <sbp> .gc "anal plosive"
19:54:55 <maxkelley> Fresh-Brewed Randomness, Ready When You Need It (tm)
19:54:55 <phenny> "anal plosive": 3
19:55:27 <maxkelley> plosive?
19:55:31 <sbp> .wik Plosive
19:55:34 <phenny> "A stop, plosive, or occlusive is a consonant sound produced by stopping the airflow in the vocal tract." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plosive
19:55:41 <jcowan> Or in this case the anal tract.
19:55:41 <maxkelley> wow.
19:55:44 * jcowan commits an anal trill.
19:56:01 <sbp> .gc "anal phonology"
19:56:03 <phenny> "anal phonology": 1
19:57:05 <sbp> .wik Hen harrier
19:57:07 <phenny> "The Hen Harrier (Circus cyaneus) is a bird of prey of the harrier family." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hen_harrier
19:57:19 <jcowan> "... barrafranca poeta bgr 181 zh1 571 statuto associazione nazionale carabiniere orologio solario mondovi heel bara stacy anal phonology of bella coola chat ..."
19:57:22 <jcowan> Gak.
19:57:42 <sbp> ah. Italians
19:58:02 <jcowan> Actually no; it's random crud on a porn page.
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20:01:24 <perigrin> bjoern_, several years ago I had a professor actually work it out on the board.
20:01:44 <perigrin> and storage at the time was roughly parallel to moore's law ...
20:02:08 <sbp> .wik Mormal
20:02:11 <phenny> "The requested page title was invalid, empty, an incorrectly linked inter-language or inter-wiki title, or contained unsupported characters." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/For%C3%AAt_de_Mormal
20:02:31 <sbp> "The Forêt de Mormal (Forest of Mormal) is a forest in France, near the Franco-Belgian border. It is best known to the British for its role in the retreat from Mons in August 1914."
20:03:32 <sbp> "heere he showeth his corrupcion through extortinge a cheezburger"
20:05:19 <jcowan> I can't read GCHAB: it just takes too long.
20:09:40 <bjoern_> .calc 0.2 * 2 * 2 * 2 * 2 * 2 * 2 * 2 * 2
20:09:43 <phenny> 0.2 * 2 * 2 * 2 * 2 * 2 * 2 * 2 * 2 = 51.2
20:10:35 <bjoern_> so if you take Moore's law to be "doubles every 18 months", you'd have had to pay 51.2 EUR / GB in 1995
20:11:47 <sbp> for whatte?
20:14:36 <bjoern_> checking usenet, it was more like 300-400 EUR / GB then
20:14:39 <perigrin> ye olde storagge
20:15:52 <perigrin> might have gotten faster ... the professor calculated storage prices from the 80s to late 90s
20:16:15 <perigrin> using halves every 18 months
20:16:33 <bjoern_> ah, that might well be, it's not an interesting period though
20:17:43 <bjoern_> so I think a better rule of thumb might be, a dollar buys twice as much storage every year.
20:18:48 <perigrin> that seems to be the right idea
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20:24:22 <Schuyler> so, $1 buys a GB now in the US
20:24:35 <Schuyler> how long until it buys 1 TB?
20:24:39 <Schuyler> 10 years?
20:24:45 <bjoern_> wow you sure about that?
20:24:51 <Schuyler> yeah.
20:24:59 <bjoern_> 20 euro cents buy a GB here as of today.
20:25:17 <Schuyler> ok
20:25:21 <Schuyler> perhaps I am not sure about that :)
20:25:39 <Schuyler> hm I might be thinking of laptop drives
20:25:58 <bjoern_> ah right, I'm talking relatively cheap SATA drives
20:26:01 <Schuyler> ok. so how long until $1 buys 1 TB? next year it sounds like.
20:26:06 <Schuyler> or the year after.
20:26:44 <Schuyler> geez. the first hard drive I ever bought was a 30 MB MFM drive, circa 1990.
20:26:51 <Schuyler> price tag? $250
20:27:07 <crschmidt> I was 6 at that time
20:27:13 <crschmidt> :-D
20:27:19 <Schuyler> I could have bought you for that much!
20:27:43 * jcowan stopped worrying about the price of disk after USD1/MiB.
20:27:55 <jcowan> After that I started worrying about the physical size of disks.
20:28:08 <perigrin> you can get a Gig for 50C these days here in the states. If you buy on sale.
20:28:13 <perigrin> er 50c
20:28:30 <Schuyler> but: bus speeds haven't increased commensurately.
20:29:02 <bjoern_> well 1 TB cost ~ 200 EUR right now, to get to 1 EUR you need to half that ~ 8 times, so 8 years.
20:29:13 <jcowan> Nope, still 120 km/hr at most.
20:29:26 <Tene> jcowan: why is physical size of disks important to you?
20:29:33 <jcowan> Laptops.
20:29:37 <bjoern_> (that would be .78 EUR, which is about where 1 USD is)
20:30:01 <bjoern_> .calc 1 EUR in USD
20:30:04 <phenny> 1 Euro = 1.3508 U.S. dollars
20:30:19 <bjoern_> .calc 1 USD in EUR
20:30:21 <phenny> 1 U.S. dollar = 0.740302043 Euros
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20:39:57 <jcowan> Wisdom Of The Day: Printer jams and double-sided printing don't make nice together.
20:42:30 <bjoern_> logger, pointer?
20:42:35 <bjoern_> loggy, pointer?
20:42:35 <loggy> http://swhack.com/logs/2007-06-06#T20-42-35
20:43:27 <bjoern_> hmm swhack.com seems down
20:44:23 <kpreid> Not to me.
20:44:30 <crschmidt> nor to me
20:44:51 <bjoern_> I can ping it, but that's it...
20:45:14 <bjoern_> doesn't complete tcp handshake on port 80
20:46:07 <bjoern_> [[[
20:46:09 <bjoern_> % netc_d -v -v swhack.com 80
20:46:09 <bjoern_> after go: x now \~, optarg 0 optind 3
20:46:09 <bjoern_> DNS fwd/rev mismatch: swhack.com != vorpal.notabug.com
20:46:09 <bjoern_> Single 1, curport 80
20:46:09 <bjoern_> handle is 7
20:46:10 <bjoern_> handle is 7
20:46:12 <bjoern_> netfd -1 from port 0 to port 80
20:46:14 <bjoern_> swhack.com [66.9.179.67] 80 (http): TIMEDOUT
20:46:16 <bjoern_> sent 0, rcvd 0: NOTSOCK
20:46:18 <bjoern_> ]]]
20:47:41 <bjoern_> ah, now it's better
20:51:30 <bjoern_> we pwnd Slovakia
20:54:04 <jcowan> Well, fine. What now, you sell Slovakia on eBay?
20:55:14 <jcowan> Murphy's Law strikes.
20:55:36 <jcowan> You always run out of ink when you are printing a particularly long document, so (with my printer) you have the second half but not the first.
20:56:29 <bjoern_> I think we can decide about that after winning UEFA Euro 2008.
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21:46:09 <deltab> epilepsy tester on ITV News
21:47:43 <perigrin> They're running old episodes of Digimon?
21:48:03 <deltab> nah, the new Olympic logo
21:48:28 <perigrin> fun
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22:01:06 <Monty> Thank goodness, BigJibby is back!
22:01:08 <phenny> Be quiet, Monty.
22:01:10 <Monty> ( and millions mixed up, 80
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22:49:43 <deltab> hmm, an online schedule says Channel 4 is showing "The Witness in the Tunnel: The Debate", but actually it's Sugar Rush, yay!
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22:52:27 <Monty> bah, it's est again
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23:08:21 <jcowan> Ittywhonk!
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23:39:29 <jcowan> Whoohoo!
23:39:40 <bjoern_> Yippie!
23:39:42 <jcowan> TagSoup joins the Software Freedom Conservancy.
23:48:10 <jcowan> Along with BusyBox, Samba, Wine, and several others.
23:48:23 <crschmidt> Cool.
23:48:38 <crschmidt> What's the difference between this SFC thing and something like the Apache Foundation?
23:50:26 <jcowan> Less controlling. All the control is delegated back to the project; the SFC only keeps ownership of the assets (the code itself plus donated money etc.)
23:50:48 <jcowan> Donations are tax-deductible.
23:51:14 <jcowan> Essentially you delegate all corporate crap to it, while getting the advantages of being part of a non-profit corporation.
23:51:43 * crschmidt nods.
23:52:07 <jcowan> But as long as the project is FLOSS and doesn't do anything like trying to lobby that would threaten the tax-exempt status, the SFC stays hands off.
23:53:30 <jcowan> Apache is *very* picky about which projects become Apache; what they do, how they are run, etc. etc. etc.
23:53:55 <kpreid> What ensures the SFC's continued good behavior?
23:54:06 <jcowan> The People of the State of New York, ultimately.
23:54:12 * crschmidt sort of wishes he'd known of SFC before he'd entered incubation into OSGeo.
23:54:23 <jcowan> As delegated to their Attorney General.
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23:55:16 <kpreid> jcowan: A contract?
23:55:33 <jcowan> But since Bradley Kuhn, Eben Moglen, and Dan Ravicher are involved, I doubt they are going to try to go all proprietary on my ass.
23:55:37 <jcowan> kpreid: That too.
23:55:54 <kpreid> Between SFC and whom?
23:56:01 <jcowan> Me, among others.
23:56:07 <kpreid> Hmm.
23:56:26 <jcowan> But a corporation is a creature of the State, and must answer to the State if it goes off its charter.
23:56:41 <jcowan> Most particularly a not-for-profit corporation.
23:56:45 <kpreid> Ah.
23:57:32 <jcowan> Otherwise, the Clerk to the Petty Bag extracts the corporate charter from the Petty Bag and snips off the seals, and the corporation is discorporated.
23:57:39 <kpreid> I have often wondered in ignorance about how possible it is to create such a creature such that it is impossible for it to eventually become something you don't want it to be.
23:58:46 <jcowan> Nothing can guarantee *indefinite* continuance, but foundations are a good approximation.
23:59:10 <jcowan> (I mention that the Clerk and his Bag are nowadays only metaphorical.)
