00:07:33 <bjoern_> @title http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=41634
00:07:34 <supybot> bjoern_: iDiot modifies thumbs to fit iPhone
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00:26:51 <Monty> Hey littledan, crschmidt asked me to tell you: what you think of that. [Sat Aug 11 14:54:37 BST 2007]
00:27:18 <littledan> crschmidt, what I think of what?
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03:00:26 <Monty> it's bpt2!
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05:41:05 <Monty> it's shawn__!
05:41:29 <bjoern_> IS NOT Monty.
05:41:30 <Monty> unicycle == adie;
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06:10:21 <bjoern_> .cp ^0027
06:10:22 <bjoern_> .cp ^0022
06:10:28 <phenny> 0022: QUOTATION MARK (")
06:10:28 <phenny> 0027: APOSTROPHE (')
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06:53:59 <sbp> yo
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07:30:21 <bjoern_> .calc 25^4
07:30:23 <phenny> 25^4 = 390 625
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07:32:48 <qwerty> .wik woohoo
07:32:51 <phenny> "'Woo Hoo' is a rockabilly song, originally released by The Rock*A*Teens in 1959 (see 1959 in music)." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woo_Hoo
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07:32:55 <l7> .calc 2+2
07:32:57 <phenny> 2 + 2 = 4
07:33:10 <l7> .calc 2+2
07:33:12 <phenny> 2 + 2 = 4
07:33:14 <l7> .calc 2+2
07:33:17 <phenny> 2 + 2 = 4
07:33:27 <l7> i'm pretty sure it's 5 today
07:44:34 <bjoern_> lisppaste2: url?
07:44:34 <lisppaste2> To use the lisppaste bot, visit http://paste.lisp.org/new/swhack and enter your paste.
07:44:58 <lisppaste2> bjoern_ pasted "it's making fun of me :(" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/46008
07:45:36 <bjoern_> they need a render-like-in-terminal-window option...
07:48:58 <lisppaste2> sbp annotated #46008 with "clearer" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/46008#1
07:50:21 <bjoern_> you also need the inverted version!
07:51:56 <lisppaste2> sbp annotated #46008 with "INVERTORTED" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/46008#2
07:52:14 <bjoern_> OMG
07:52:30 <lisppaste2> sbp pasted "hehe" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/46009
07:52:48 <lisppaste2> sbp annotated #46009 with "what's up?" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/46009#1
07:53:11 * bjoern_ pastes "OMG" at data:,OMG
07:53:23 <sbp> :-)
07:53:36 <sbp> nice and persistent
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08:04:34 <lisppaste2> thelsdj annotated #46009 with "title?" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/46009#2
08:07:27 <lisppaste2> sbp annotated #46009 with "same chatroom, different way of speaking, I think. note that the body is technically void" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/46009#3
08:08:48 <lisppaste2> bjoern_ annotated #46009 with "web chat suxx. just like web forums, blog comments, web threaded discussions, and all the other shit." at http://paste.lisp.org/display/46009#4
08:09:49 <bjoern_> #Swhack 2.0.
08:11:16 <lisppaste2> sbp annotated #46009 with "agreed" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/46009#5
08:11:20 <lisppaste2> thelsdj annotated #46009 with "someone needs to make an ajax interface for this" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/46009#6
08:13:10 <lisppaste2> bjoern_ annotated #46009 with "no text <eom/>" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/46009#7
08:13:40 <lisppaste2> sbp annotated #46009 with "..." at http://paste.lisp.org/display/46009#8
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08:17:55 <lisppaste2> Monty annotated #46009 with "Speak of the devil, it's Monty!" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/46009#9
08:17:59 <Monty> if ever been acting up lately; I'm hungry now even when it addresses of pids ?
08:20:50 <sbp> the nice thing about that is that only one person knows who it was, and each of the other two have to be suspicious of the other two
08:21:01 <sbp> unless, of course, it was yet another person
08:21:26 <thelsdj> or, it was monty?
08:21:30 <sbp> it wasn't me though, and based on intuition I would guess it's bjoern_
08:21:30 <Monty> Especially since it and use some entities, it nags me, but still knotted though...
08:21:34 <sbp> oh yeah, or it could be Monty
08:21:35 <Monty> Please go on.
08:21:39 <bjoern_> You just say that to divert attention from yourself...
08:21:43 <sbp> it could be you!!
08:21:47 <sbp> possibly, but no
08:22:02 <sbp> OR DO I?!
08:22:03 <sbp> no
08:22:09 <thelsdj> i'm too busy watching astronomy video lectures
08:22:17 <sbp> ooh. URI?
08:22:34 <sbp> I'm also too busy to be watching astronomy video lectures. I wanna watch 'em
08:22:40 * bjoern_ suspects laplink
08:22:50 <thelsdj> http://webcast.berkeley.edu/course_details.php?seriesid=1906978334
08:22:58 <sbp> .seen laplink
08:23:01 <phenny> sbp: I last saw laplink at 2007-08-11 20:21:27 UTC on #swhack
08:23:22 <sbp> ooh, Berkeley. this should be trippy
08:23:37 <thelsdj> the audio is really bad, atleast on this first one, he had the mic too close to his face
08:24:29 <bjoern_> They really should have software to automatically fix that. especially also over at the GEmpire.
08:24:37 <thelsdj> but not much content in the first one, watching it for completeness
08:25:06 <thelsdj> yea my boss commented on that, every video uploaded to youtube or google video should have audio normalization done on it, so much bad audio
08:27:05 * sbp watches http://webcast.berkeley.edu/stream.php?type=smil&webcastid=15825 - yep, trippy
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08:48:56 <thelsdj> sbp: still watching? is it interesting? i'm on lecture 2
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09:37:14 <sbp> nope, I stopped to do other stuff
09:41:22 <sbp> when you cut a model out of paper, what are all the clippings left over called?
09:41:24 <sbp> do they have a name?
09:42:31 <laplink> Negative Space?
09:46:31 <sbp> I meant, I wonder if there's an actual word for them in the OED
09:46:38 <sbp> like cliplets or whatever
09:48:40 <laplink> Clippings?
09:50:14 <sbp> too generic
09:50:30 <sbp> a word for them and only them
09:52:10 <thelsdj> doubt it
09:52:19 <laplink> Cuttings, would be a feather less generic.
09:54:41 <est> something related to "cut out"..uncut-out..cut-out rind
09:54:43 <est> :o
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10:04:34 <thelsdj> http://brain.lis.uiuc.edu:2323/opencms/export/sites/default/dhq/vol/001/2/000009.html
10:04:52 <thelsdj> pretty damn long, but gotta make sure i read all of this at some point
10:06:09 <sbp> I was rather hoping for some strange latinate term
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10:18:12 <sbp> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hundred_Thousand_Billion_Poems
10:18:21 <sbp> -> http://www.bevrowe.info/Poems/QueneauRandom.htm
10:18:47 <bjoern_> .wik Hundred_Thousand_Billion_Poems
10:18:50 <phenny> "Raymond Queneau’s Hundred Thousand Billion Poems or One hundred million million poems (original French title: Cent mille milliards de poèmes), published in 1961, is a set of ten sonnets." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hundred_Thousand_Billion_Poems
10:20:22 <laplink> That's… disappointing.
10:21:51 <sbp> heh, heh
10:22:16 <sbp> ten sonnets that can be arranged into a hundred thousand billion "new" sonnets
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10:25:51 <bjoern_> spammers do that every day.
10:27:22 <sbp> hehe
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10:28:27 <bjoern_> .gc "separated by a separator"
10:28:29 <phenny> "separated by a separator": 17,700
10:29:16 <thelsdj> .gc "separators separated by a separator"
10:29:19 <phenny> "separators separated by a separator": 0
10:29:29 <thelsdj> .gc "separator separated by a separator"
10:29:31 <phenny> "separator separated by a separator": 0
10:29:37 <thelsdj> bah
10:29:44 <bjoern_> .gc seperator-separated seperators
10:29:47 <phenny> seperator-separated seperators: 0
10:44:10 <bjoern_> .gc "blessed critter"
10:44:12 <phenny> "blessed critter": 29
10:46:51 <bjoern_> hmm http://search.cpan.org/~jquelin/Geo-ICAO-0.22/scripts/get_code2country
11:09:19 <sbp> hmm indeed. is the source online too?
11:09:22 * sbp browses about
11:09:56 <sbp> bah, "Down for maintenance. Coming back soon."
11:10:12 <sbp> from www.annocpan.org, though, which seems pretty unrelated
11:10:56 <sbp> oh, http://search.cpan.org/src/JQUELIN/Geo-ICAO-0.23/scripts/get_code2country
11:11:00 <sbp> simple enough
11:11:32 <sbp> funny how it uses lynx rather than whatever the relevant CPAN library is
11:11:45 <bjoern_> They should make 12 SOURCE99 more obvious...
11:12:26 * bjoern_ doesn't think there is much html2txt on CPAN, though the popular one is a Perl script...
11:12:39 <bjoern_> and you don't really want to parse Wikipedia as HTML, do you.
11:12:54 <sbp> no...
11:14:11 <bjoern_> (http://search.cpan.org/src/JQUELIN/Geo-ICAO-0.23/lib/Geo/ICAO.pm is easier to parse of course...)
11:21:20 <bjoern_> .ety turn
11:21:23 <phenny> "late O.E. turnian 'to rotate, revolve,' in part also from O.Fr. torner 'to turn,' both from L. tornare 'turn on a lathe,' from tornus 'lathe,' from Gk. tornos 'lathe, tool for drawing circles,' from PIE base *ter- 'to rub, rub by turning, turn, twist' (see throw)." - http://etymonline.com/?term=turn
11:21:55 <bjoern_> @translate german to english turnen
11:21:56 <supybot> bjoern_: do gymnastics
11:23:33 <bjoern_> @translate german to english turnier
11:23:34 <supybot> bjoern_: tournament
11:23:47 <bjoern_> @translate german to english tour
11:23:49 <supybot> bjoern_: route
11:23:52 <bjoern_> err
11:23:56 <bjoern_> .ety tour
11:23:58 <phenny> "c.1320, 'a turn, a shift on duty,' from O.Fr. tour, tourn 'a turn, trick, round, circuit, circumference,' from torner, tourner 'to turn,' from L. tornare 'to polish, round off, fashion, turn on a lathe' (see turn)." - http://etymonline.com/?term=tour
11:24:16 <bjoern_> .gc turnament
11:24:19 <phenny> turnament: 150,000
11:24:45 <bjoern_> @translate german to english turnieren
11:24:46 <supybot> bjoern_: tournaments
11:24:48 <KragenSitaker> .ety minion
11:24:51 <phenny> "1501, 'a favorite; a darling; a low dependant; one who pleases rather than benefits' [Johnson], from M.Fr. mignon 'a favorite, darling' (n.), also 'dainty, pleasing, favorite' (adj.), from O.Fr. mignot, perhaps of Celt. origin (cf. O.Ir. min 'tender, soft'), or from [...]" - http://etymonline.com/?term=minion
11:48:17 <sbp> phenny!
11:48:19 <phenny> sbp!
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11:48:52 <Monty> hey jetscreamer
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12:01:11 <sbp> @title http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/08/06/worst-excuse-ever/
12:01:13 <supybot> sbp: Crooks and Liars » Worst. Excuse. Ever.
12:01:20 <sbp> phenny: tell bjoern_ http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/08/06/worst-excuse-ever/
12:01:23 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when bjoern_ is around.
12:10:21 <sbp> hahahaha
12:10:28 <sbp> ahahaha
12:10:28 <sbp> http://www.clipaday.com/videos/stoners-busted
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12:25:13 <laplink> Now why in the world would you pay to /give/ a blowjob?
12:25:47 <laplink> To get one I can understand forking over, sure, but to perform one?!
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12:29:14 <sbp> he's a politician. isn't that just what they do?
12:30:03 <tav> well, some people do get pleasure from giving blow jobs...
12:31:14 <tav> perhaps s/blow jobs/oral sex/ might make it easier to understand ;p
12:31:20 <sbp> Republicans, apparently
12:32:21 <laplink> .weather ENTC
12:32:24 <phenny> ENTC at 14:20 (12:20Z): Cloudy, 17℃, 1009mb, Light breeze 3m/s (6kt) (↑)
12:36:10 <sbp> .weather EGLL
12:36:14 <phenny> EGLL at 13:20 (12:20Z): Scattered, 20℃, 1008mb, Moderate breeze 13kt (↑)
12:36:17 <sbp> it's meant to be SUPARGALES on Tuesday
12:36:25 <sbp> so that'll be fun to watch out for
12:37:43 <sbp> hmm, in fact
12:37:55 <sbp> they say Force 10 on the Beaufort scale
12:37:55 <sbp> which is "Storm"
12:38:08 <sbp> "Trees uprooted. Considerable structural damage."
12:38:27 <sbp> so quite a bit blowy, essentially
12:41:08 <Arnia> sbp: don't tell the politicians
12:41:16 <Arnia> They may go and watch badgers
12:41:33 <sbp> might be for the best if they did
12:42:23 <Arnia> boom
12:42:27 <sbp> yo!
12:42:42 <tav> shikaboom!!
12:42:43 <sbp> looking forward to the supergales?
12:42:56 <tav> where will these supergales be hitting?
12:43:13 <sbp> all of Britain up to like the north midlands or so, I think
12:43:19 <tav> w00p!
12:43:28 <tav> so, if i jump, can i fly?!
12:43:30 <Arnia> not the north-east?
12:43:34 <sbp> pretty much
12:43:39 <tav> w00p!
12:43:44 <sbp> north-east: yeah, actually, you might be exempt
12:43:52 <Arnia> whee!
12:44:01 <Arnia> I'll be able to walk :p
12:44:14 * sbp looks for forecasts
12:45:08 <sbp> online doesn't seem to reflect it
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13:32:08 <ows> hi fellows
13:33:00 <ows> are there some webcrawlers to download the content of a specific website and other sites pointed by it
13:33:19 <ows> for instance: you have an initial url www.site1.com
13:33:36 <ows> and this site has some links to site www.site2.com
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13:34:29 <Monty> yo cre8radix!
13:37:04 <jsled> ows: wget.
13:37:22 <ows> I'm using httrack
13:37:30 <ows> can do that with this prog?
13:37:33 <ows> *I
13:37:44 <ows> http://www.httrack.com/html/fcguide.html
13:38:03 <jsled> I don't know.
13:38:35 <ows> I have a site: www.site1.com
13:38:59 <ows> but I only want to download things from dir.site1.com
13:40:08 <ows> jsled: btw, how can I do that with wget?
13:41:37 <jsled> ows: `man wget` and look for the --domains=domain-list and --span-hosts options.
13:42:10 <ows> ok
13:42:10 <ows> thx
13:44:51 <ows> jsled: sorry, but how can I define the output dir for wget?
13:46:19 <jsled> --directory-prefix
13:56:27 <ows> thx
13:57:20 <ows> cya
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15:43:33 *** sbp changed the topic to: "WARNING: Swhack may be sexually explicit, contain offensive language, be unsuited to its age group, possess an occult theme or promote the occult or Satanism, be considered violent, and promote homosexuality and/or a religious viewpoint"
15:50:31 <JibberJim> Swhack is Harry Potter?
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15:51:06 <sbp> or something like it
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16:25:09 <sbp> [[[
16:25:10 <sbp> So this guy walks into a psychiatrist's office. The shrink says, "I'm going to show you some inkblots, and you tell me what you see."
16:25:10 <sbp> 1. "Naked women," says the guy.
16:25:10 <sbp> 2. "Naked women."
16:25:12 <sbp> 3. "Naked women," the guy answers again.
16:25:14 <sbp> Finally, the doctor puts down the inkblots and says, "Sir, you seem obsessed with sex."
16:25:16 <sbp> "But Doc," the man answers, "You're the one with all the dirty pictures."
16:25:18 <sbp> ]]] - http://static.mintchaos.com/ann/2003/04/triggle.html
16:28:42 <JibberJim> old joke!
16:29:12 <sbp> hmm: http://www.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=45449&topic=360&hl=en&sa=X&oi=malwarewarninglink&resnum=22&ct=help
16:29:23 <sbp> the oldies are the goodies
16:29:28 <sbp> well, so they say. they're probably mad
16:43:40 <sbp> what is Johnny Burnette going to do with that eager beaver baby of his? topiary?
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18:18:37 <sbp> I wonder if in the future anyone'll do costume dramas set in the 1970s?
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18:41:10 <kwijibo> they already did
18:41:15 <kwijibo> Life on Mars
18:41:15 <sbp> oh?
18:41:22 <sbp> oh, haven't seen that
18:41:31 <sbp> not even sure if you're joking or not :-)
18:41:39 <kwijibo> policeman goes into a coma
18:41:47 <kwijibo> wakes up in 197os
18:41:51 <kwijibo> 70s
18:42:10 <kwijibo> so, not a strict costume drama
18:42:21 <kwijibo> in that he's from the future
18:42:24 <sbp> indeed
18:42:41 <kwijibo> but watchable nontheless
18:42:57 <sbp> .wik Life on Mars
18:43:01 <phenny> "Scientists have long speculated about the possibility of life on Mars owing to the planet's proximity and similarity to Earth." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_on_Mars
18:43:09 <sbp> thanks Wikipedia!
18:43:12 <sbp> .wik Life on Mars show
18:43:16 <phenny> "Life on Mars is a BAFTA and International Emmy award-winning British television drama series, which was first shown on BBC One in January and February 2006." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_on_Mars_(TV_series)
18:45:49 <sbp> heh. someone running a bot I hadn't seen before
18:45:54 <thelsdj> i enjoyed it
18:45:57 <sbp> so I ask the apparent owner if it can do any tricks
18:46:03 <sbp> and it turns out it's a phenny
18:46:18 <thelsdj> (life on mars that is)
18:46:34 <sbp> you had to torrent it, I presume?
18:46:42 <sbp> or did they show it on BBC America or something?
18:46:56 <thelsdj> torrent
18:48:06 <sbp> amazing how much of this kind of stuff I miss
18:48:13 <sbp> The Office, Coupling, Life on Mars, all that kind of stuff
18:48:40 <kwijibo> it was a bit gash how they kept having all that "Am I mad, in a coma, or on a different planet" stuff
18:48:56 <kwijibo> when it was obvious he was in a coma
18:49:23 <sbp> Wikipedia says the mad/coma thing was left open
18:50:12 <thelsdj> did you miss Jekyll?
18:50:21 <thelsdj> if so, torrent it asap
18:51:32 <thelsdj> .wik Jekyll show
18:51:35 <phenny> "Jekyll & Hyde is a Broadway musical based on the novel, The Strange Case of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde by Robert Louis Stevenson." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jekyll_&_Hyde_(musical)
18:51:39 <thelsdj> no
18:51:39 <kwijibo> I don't think they should have kept bringing in him trying to get out of the coma - it was fine as just a regular 70's thyemed cop show
18:51:46 <thelsdj> .wik Jekyll tv show
18:51:49 <phenny> "Jekyll is a British television drama series produced by Hartswood Films and Stagescreen Productions for BBC One." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jekyll_(TV_series)
18:52:01 <kwijibo> I didn't think it was that good
18:52:07 <kwijibo> watchable
18:52:15 <kwijibo> but not top notch
18:52:37 <kwijibo> the characters got a bit repetitive
18:55:51 <sbp> yeah, missed that. not even sure I heard of that
18:56:29 <thelsdj> james nesbitt, steven mofatt
18:56:36 <thelsdj> = heaven
19:06:20 <sbp> .gc planktonic
19:06:23 <phenny> planktonic: 2,180,000
19:06:27 <sbp> .gc +planktonic
19:06:30 <phenny> +planktonic: 2,180,000
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19:11:59 <laplink> Jekyll was great.
19:12:11 <laplink> Mostly for the acting.
19:12:27 <laplink> Th story got a bit cartoonish at times.
19:14:12 <thelsdj> yea, i think it was meant to be a little 'pulp'
19:14:21 <laplink> Not so much that the plot had holes, as that it had holes and they just raced right by them with their huge honkin´ brass balls.
19:15:30 <laplink> The most disappointing was that for a character like Mr. Hyde they cut it so it was more like PG-13.
19:15:56 <laplink> And that whole vampire teeth thingy was lame.
19:17:42 <laplink> But bring back Coupling or I will eat your children!
19:18:35 <JibberJim> coupling hasn't had a series in ages :(
19:19:29 <laplink> Damn that whoever-it-was-that-played-Jeff for leaving!
19:23:11 <thelsdj> hm, there was a series 2 of green wing?
19:23:14 <thelsdj> guess i missed it
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20:03:06 <sbp> deltab: Mountain, 1, awesomeness
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20:52:12 <Monty> hey alienbrain
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21:13:05 <bjoern_> So now that I am using state elimination to turn DFAs into regular expressions, I've implemented a short script using Algorithm::Evolve to find the "best" elimination sequence (counting the number of character class occurrences in the regex). It's not finding one that produces the really shorted regex possible.
21:13:06 <phenny> bjoern_: 12:01Z <sbp> tell bjoern_ http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/08/06/worst-excuse-ever/
21:13:52 <bjoern_> Specifically, I am using the XML 1.0 STag production, and the shortest one would have less than 50 character classes (that's what you get when you simply create the regex using search and replace in the original grammar)
21:15:13 <bjoern_> This would seem to indicate that a) my DFA minimization algorithm does not work, b) that I haven't waited long enough for a result, or c) that going from minimal dfa -> regex using state elimination, there may not be a removal sequence that produces the best possible result.
21:15:43 <bjoern_> c might well be, I've not seen a proof either way after quite some search...
21:16:26 <bjoern_> the shortest it found so far are 96 character classes
21:16:42 <bjoern_> the longest would produce a regex way above 6 MB...
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21:19:05 <bjoern_> phenny, tell sbp hehehe
21:19:07 <phenny> bjoern_: I'll pass that on when sbp is around.
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21:19:51 <bjoern_> b is also quite possible, it usually takes quite some time to go from 100/98 to 96.
21:20:10 <bjoern_> (a minute or two, depending on luck and settings)
21:24:01 <bjoern_> it's a bit disappointing either way though
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21:59:49 <bjoern_> w00t, found a 94 one
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22:14:27 <thelsdj> 'To Your Scattered Bodies Go' is an interesting novel, features Richard Francis Burton as the main character
22:25:23 <Mike_L> bjoern_: if you're using genetic algorithms to find DFA->regex translation rules, you may be finding local maxima
22:26:13 * Arnia hums
22:26:22 <Arnia> Swarm search?
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22:30:20 * Arnia sends a load of bees after bjoern_
22:30:34 * bjoern_ might be finding local maxima independently of what he does with genetic algorithms...
22:31:07 <Arnia> Loki maxima...
22:31:21 <Arnia> .g swarm search
22:31:25 <phenny> Arnia: http://savannah.nongnu.org/project/search.php?group=swarm
22:31:32 <Arnia> um... ok
22:31:39 <Arnia> .g swarm intelligence search
22:31:41 <phenny> Arnia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swarm_intelligence
22:31:48 <Arnia> meh, will have to do
22:32:33 <bjoern_> There is only a Particle Swarm Optimization algorithm module on CPAN, apparently...
22:33:25 <Arnia> sure you can adapt ;)
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23:30:11 <laplink> Bwahah ha! - http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20070812