00:00:27 <bjoern_> with <{http://www.w3.org/2000/10/swap/pim/contact#organization}organization> you'd have Clarkian XML.
00:00:57 <Arnia> somethink funky is happening in my namespaces code
00:01:07 * Arnia decides he hates qnames (for the moment)
00:06:45 <Arnia> mm... fixed that, and now it doesn't qname foaf properly
00:06:47 * Arnia sighs
00:10:18 <Arnia> Oh well, it is verbose and full of generation errors but at least my CBD function seems to be mapping the graph to a tree relatively ok
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01:41:40 <Monty> hi l7
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02:10:44 <Monty> bah, it's chimezie again
02:11:17 * chimezie hits Monty over the head with a bean bag
02:11:18 <Monty> hmm?
02:11:56 * Arnia hits on Monty with a bean bag
02:11:56 <Monty> tav: undercurrents strap line from Sp. mosquito is 100kb
02:28:14 * perigrin bounces a beanbag off Monty and hits Arnia
02:28:14 <Monty> Other: 30% of my css with all h2s.
02:31:31 <Arnia> Ow :(
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03:14:15 <jsled> .pc ə
03:14:18 <phenny> 0259: LATIN SMALL LETTER SCHWA (ə)
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05:49:08 <bjoern_> how many ways are there to split a set with n elements into subsets?
05:49:09 <bjoern_> e.g. for (abc) you have (abc), (a)(bc), (b)(ac), (c)(ab), (a)(b)(c).
05:50:30 <bancus> Seems like I should know this one.
05:50:32 <Arnia> n!
05:50:38 <bancus> yeah, actually
05:51:01 <bjoern_> So where is the error in my example?
05:51:07 <Arnia> (abc)
05:51:20 <bjoern_> huh?
05:51:35 <Arnia> (abc) is a subset of (abc)... it just isn't a proper subset
05:51:36 <bjoern_> 3! is 6, I only list 5, so one must be missing
05:51:50 <deltab> bjoern_: 2^n
05:51:51 <Arnia> Oh, ()
05:52:15 <bjoern_> Well 2^3 is 8...
05:52:16 <Arnia> actually, deltab is right
05:52:23 <deltab> bjoern_: oh, you mean partitioning?
05:52:28 * Arnia realises he isn't actually awake
05:52:39 <bjoern_> probably, yeah
05:52:47 * Arnia decides to be sleepy somewhere where he won't embarrass himself
05:53:16 <deltab> subsets would be {}, {a}, {b}, {c}, {a, b}, {a, c}, {b, c}, and {a, b, c}
05:53:39 <bjoern_> .wik Partition of a set
05:53:41 <bjoern_> there perhaps...
05:53:43 <phenny> "In mathematics, a partition of a set X is a division of X into non-overlapping 'parts' or 'blocks' or 'cells' that cover all of X. More formally, these 'cells' are both collectively exhaustive and mutually exclusive with respect to the set being partitioned." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partition_of_a_set
05:54:21 <bjoern_> Bell number, apparently...
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06:01:40 <TCP8218585> roflcopter
06:01:51 <bjoern_> TCP8218585, asl?
06:02:22 <TCP8218585> myles
06:02:24 <TCP8218585> male
06:02:25 <TCP8218585> nyc
06:02:32 <TCP8218585> u?
06:02:46 <bjoern_> omg hi
06:02:54 <TCP8218585> ?
06:02:58 <bjoern_> u hx40r?
06:03:02 <TCP8218585> no
06:03:08 <TCP8218585> i cant even pronounce that
06:03:08 <bjoern_> y?
06:03:22 <TCP8218585> because
06:03:24 <TCP8218585> u asked me
06:03:34 <TCP8218585> im asking u back
06:03:37 <bancus> Eight Two One Eight Five Eight Fii-ee-iive
06:03:46 <TCP8218585> oh
06:03:48 <TCP8218585> well
06:03:52 <bancus> Jenneyyyyy
06:03:52 <TCP8218585> my client
06:04:05 <TCP8218585> wont let me connect with just tcp
06:04:10 <bancus> Oh, wait, thats 867-5309
06:04:18 <bancus> TCP is probably taken, knowing this network.
06:04:22 <TCP8218585> yeah
06:04:34 <TCP8218585> it stands for tarnished coffee pot
06:04:39 <TCP8218585> im pissed
06:04:46 <TCP8218585> cause i tried just plain tcp8
06:04:48 <TCP8218585> and 82
06:04:50 <TCP8218585> 821
06:04:52 <TCP8218585> and so on
06:05:02 <TCP8218585> then i got pissed and just started making up numbers
06:05:06 <TCP8218585> new client
06:05:53 <bjoern_> y tcp?
06:06:02 <TCP8218585> tarnished coffee pot
06:06:08 <TCP8218585> its something random
06:06:11 <TCP8218585> workplace joke
06:06:34 <bjoern_> u l00k l1ek pot?
06:06:39 * Arnia drags Monty to bed with him
06:06:39 <Monty> yay, its rightful owner.
06:06:42 <bjoern_> lol
06:06:56 <TCP8218585> no
06:07:09 <TCP8218585> i keep a coffee pot plugged into my usb
06:07:29 <bjoern_> pr3v3rt l0l
06:08:26 <TCP8218585> what can i do with a coffee pot?
06:08:29 <TCP8218585> download porno?
06:08:59 <bancus> Well, if you have to ask...
06:09:15 <TCP8218585> oh wait
06:09:20 <TCP8218585> i have an idea of what
06:09:33 <TCP8218585> okay i now have 101 ideas
06:09:37 <TCP8218585> new book idea
06:09:56 <TCP8218585> 101 ways to make a coffee pot a dirty thing
06:09:57 <Arnia> 101 uses for a tarnished coffee pot
06:10:02 <Arnia> bah
06:10:17 * Arnia lobs a seagull in TCP8218585's direction
06:10:26 <perigrin> 101 ways to tarnish Monty's coffee pot
06:10:27 <Monty> abel ? "yo!"
06:11:35 <TCP8218585> wow
06:12:16 <Arnia> sanity is for those without any imagination
06:12:20 <bancus> Monty, don't scare the newbs.
06:12:24 <Monty> above board system...single line dial in fact a nokia experience it... really
06:12:28 * Arnia boings at bancus
06:12:45 <perigrin> Monty, scare the other bots
06:12:46 <Monty> twatty radio?!
06:12:54 <perigrin> Monty, yeah that would do it.
06:12:57 <Monty> ohdiamonddiamondthoulittleknowestthemischiefthouhastdone
06:12:59 <Arnia> Monty: does it get FM?
06:13:01 <Monty> wipes impotent heavenly sockets :P
06:13:24 <Arnia> Monty: vaginalFM... next logical stage for the Branson empire
06:13:27 <Monty> prehistoric hubcaps eats Mancunian sleeves...
06:13:30 <perigrin> Monty, if the sockets are impotent ... no matter how heavenly they should be wiped
06:13:38 <Monty> I've tried smoking a 5.20 am trying I need it too attached to you solve, but probably that something maybe some in wirelessirc is how pretty the examples0
06:13:58 <perigrin> Monty, 5:20 is an hour late.
06:14:02 <Monty> The truth: medical helium pensioners delights evaluative Peruvian anus, apparently.
06:14:15 <perigrin> .gc "medical helium"
06:14:18 <phenny> "medical helium": 195
06:14:43 <perigrin> .compare "medical helium" "medical hydrogen" "medical einsteinium"
06:14:46 <phenny> "medical hydrogen" (544), "medical helium" (195), "medical einsteinium" (1)
06:15:01 <perigrin> .g "medical einsteinium"
06:15:03 <phenny> perigrin: http://www.m-w.com/medical/einsteinium
06:15:10 <perigrin> ...
06:15:47 <perigrin> cheating that ... 's a medical dictionary
06:20:25 <TCP8218585> monet or manet?
06:21:09 <perigrin> monet ... when you're no longer baroque
06:32:33 <sbp> ooh, remastered TSRTS
06:32:37 <sbp> AND A PRESS CONFERENCE
06:43:02 <bjoern_> OMG SBP LOL
06:43:04 <bjoern_> "PRESS CONFERENCE"
06:43:06 <bjoern_> LOL
06:43:31 <bjoern_> I have to practise that a bit more.
06:44:03 <bjoern_> stats
06:44:11 <bjoern_> MONTY: stats
06:44:12 <Monty> I have a vocabulary of 8445 words, 23 reminders pending, 60 outstanding welcome messages, seen 13409 different nicks and I was born on Tue Sep 11 11:42:00 BST 2007
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06:52:36 <sbp> sixty *outstanding* welcome messages
06:53:05 <bjoern_> like "ohdiamonddiamondthoulittleknowestthemischiefthouhastdone"
07:00:35 <sbp> yeah, that would do it
07:02:30 <thelsdj> "Oh be patient, you get fed when mommy is done being neurotic."
07:03:07 <thelsdj> http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=968
07:03:31 <laplink> Lost in time I cant count the words
07:03:38 <laplink> I said when I thought they went unheard
07:03:44 <laplink> All of those harsh thoughts so unkind
07:03:50 <laplink> cos I wanted you
07:03:56 <laplink> And now I sit here Im all alone
07:04:02 <laplink> So here sits a bloody mess, tears fly home
07:04:08 <laplink> A circle of angels, deep in war
07:04:14 <laplink> cos I wanted you
07:04:20 <laplink> Weak as I am, no tears for you
07:04:26 <laplink> Weak as I am, no tears for you
07:04:31 <laplink> Deep as I am, Im no ones fool
07:04:36 <laplink> Weak as I am
07:04:43 * laplink hugs YouTube…
07:05:05 <sbp> (c) 2003-2007? took him a long time to draw that strip
07:05:17 <thelsdj> heh
07:05:37 <thelsdj> yea that is kinda weird to put a range on a single piece like that
07:06:28 * thelsdj watches The Good Shepherd
07:06:56 <laplink> sbp: When do we get your rendition of Bad Horsie?
07:07:07 * bjoern_ suggests laplink takes a shower after the hugging madness.
07:07:17 * laplink concurs… :-)
07:07:51 * bjoern_ needs to think about a good SGML CONCUR joke...
07:08:01 <laplink> heh heh
07:11:56 <thelsdj> oh, i gots my cellphone
07:12:01 <thelsdj> er i mean iphone
07:12:10 <thelsdj> took a while to get it unlocked without signing up for at&t
07:12:27 <bjoern_> .gc iPhowned
07:12:29 <thelsdj> but got it working on my wifi now so atleast i can use safari
07:12:30 <phenny> iPhowned: 6,510
07:13:13 <perigrin> thelsdj, just in time for apple to annouce the iPod touch
07:14:30 <thelsdj> perigrin: i ordered it afterwards heh
07:15:19 <perigrin> out of curiosity ... why?
07:16:14 <thelsdj> well i may unlock the sim or might sign up for at&t, my boss paid for this, he just didn't want to activate phone service on it right away
07:16:32 <perigrin> ahh
07:16:34 <perigrin> 'k
07:17:06 <thelsdj> sucks that you can't use the youtube feature over wifi
07:17:30 <perigrin> ?
07:17:35 <perigrin> crazy
07:17:43 <thelsdj> safari works, but if i click youtube it says 'can't connect'
07:18:11 <perigrin> though I suppose my blackberry wont do youtube at all
07:18:19 <perigrin> so I can't talk
07:18:25 * laplink sends wah-wah pedals and a Fernandes Sustainer sbp's way…
07:18:39 <thelsdj> my main phone currently is a sprint ppc-6700
07:18:48 <sbp> .wik Fernandes Sustainer
07:18:51 <phenny> "The Fernandes Sustainer is a device fitted to the electric guitar, usually in models produced by Fernandes Guitars, but it is also supplied as a kit for fitting to new or existing guitars." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fernandes_Sustainer
07:18:52 <thelsdj> much faster internet than the iphone
07:18:56 <thelsdj> and a real keyboard
07:19:02 <thelsdj> so most likely going to stick with that for a while
07:19:08 <thelsdj> since its much easier to do stuff like ssh on
07:19:16 <thelsdj> and remote desktop and such, critical for my work
07:19:18 <sbp> ooh
07:19:34 <sbp> a Floyd Rose would be handy too
07:19:35 <perigrin> ssh sucks on my crackberry ... the smart type simply doesn't work with the ssh client
07:19:56 <perigrin> .wik Floyd rose
07:19:59 <phenny> "Floyd Rose is the organization that licenses, distributes and manufactures the Floyd Rose Locking Tremolo invented by Floyd D. Rose." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floyd_Rose
07:20:16 <perigrin> Wow ... I wonder if he could get his name in there a few more times.
07:21:34 <perigrin> Floyd Rose is the Floyd Rose Organization that licenses (via Floyd Rose), distributes (from Floyd Rose's Warehouse) and manufactures (at the Floyd Rose plant) the Floyd Rose Locking Tremlolo invented by Floyd D. Rose
07:22:06 <sbp> see also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B-Bender
07:22:45 <laplink> Also, if you didn't watch the clip of Frank Zappa spanking Steve Vai…
07:22:55 <sbp> bwahahaha, what?
07:23:02 <laplink> http://swhack.com/logs/2007-09-10#T22-36-56
07:23:45 * perigrin realizes that five years of Saxaphone in no way taught him what the hell goes on in a a Guitar shop.
07:26:31 <bjoern_> .compare "theory is forever" "theorems are forever"
07:26:35 <phenny> "theory is forever" (1,010), "theorems are forever" (7)
07:26:51 <bjoern_> in binary and octal. clever.
07:28:56 <bjoern_> hmm http://www.research.att.com/~njas/sequences/A000110
07:29:15 <bjoern_> shouldn't that read "... n ... into /m/ ... boxes"?
07:30:43 <sbp> the Freak Show Excess video is interesting
07:30:45 <bjoern_> Because n elements in n boxes has only a single solution, unless some of the boxes end up empty.
07:31:36 <laplink> Yeah. Well... “Crazy”. “Scary”. “Fuck Me” &c.
07:33:07 <laplink> And the Steveie's Spanking one… About 5:30 in, Steve gives up and goes to look over Zappa's shoulder to try to keep up.
07:37:57 <laplink> Steve, btw, does the Halo Theme (Mjolnir Mix) for the Halo 2 OST and it's on Guitar Hero II.
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07:38:51 <Monty> Speak of the devil, it's Morbus!
07:38:57 <laplink> The things he does to that guitar are… indecent.
07:45:30 <sbp> .tock
07:45:33 <phenny> "Wed, 12 Sep 2007 07:37:28 GMT" - tycho.usno.navy.mil
07:45:47 <sbp> gotta run
07:45:59 <sbp> might record something fastwailing when I get back
07:46:09 <sbp> fastwailing and SHITRUDE
07:46:33 <laplink> Yeah!
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07:56:13 <thelsdj> .gc shitrude
07:56:16 <phenny> shitrude: 0
07:59:00 <bjoern_> We neeed a .video
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08:03:02 <bjoern_> Next year we should make a hackaton writing phenny6 in Perl6.
08:03:34 <perigrin> do it at the frozen perl workshop!
08:03:36 <perigrin> </pimp>
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08:16:11 <Tene> bjoern_: Perl 6 IRC stuff on pugs has been quite feasible for quite a while now.
08:16:56 <Tene> My first commits to pugs about a year ago were fixing up the OO IRC library.
08:17:08 <Tene> I think it was that long ago...
08:17:21 <perigrin> I know they had a eval bot for longer than that ...
08:17:29 <perigrin> one of the first major things written I think.
08:18:20 <Tene> Yeah.
08:18:34 <Tene> It's pretty nice.
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08:20:57 <Tene> No, not quite a year ago. 25 November.
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08:21:36 <Tene> Perl 6 on parrot doesn't have threading quite yet. It should get that in the next few weeks, I think.
08:22:24 <Tene> I'm not sure why I thought threading was a requirement for an IRC client, though.
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08:24:16 <perigrin> it isn't.
08:24:24 <perigrin> dahut is perl5 :)
08:24:30 <dahut> perigrin: :-) I think so, but I'm not sure. Ask twe if it is.
08:24:30 <perigrin> via POE
08:24:37 <Tene> Yeah. Perhaps I'm sleepier than I realized.
08:25:57 <Tene> network operations *also* aren't implemented yet on parrot's Perl 6, though. I don't know a schedule for that.
08:26:24 <perigrin> that's a bit more problematic
08:26:28 <Tene> Works mostly fine on pugs, though.
08:26:46 <perigrin> That sounds like the definiton of pugs ... "works mostly fine"
08:27:02 <Tene> Pugs has mostly stagnated since audreyt got sick and stopped being so active.
08:27:59 <Tene> She left a new meta-object system half-committed, and everyone has been afraid to touch the pugs parts of the repository until she gets the rest in.
08:28:13 <perigrin> Send nothingmuch into fix it :)
08:28:22 <Tene> svn-- distributed++
08:28:26 <perigrin> Actually don't ... still need him at work.
08:29:12 <Tene> I haven't seen nothingmuch active much. Don't know much about him.
08:29:34 <perigrin> I think he and stevan had a hand in the original MOP.
08:29:37 <perigrin> for pugs.
08:29:43 <perigrin> er well for perl6
08:29:43 <Tene> Ahh.
08:30:10 <perigrin> Actually I don't think ...stevan keeps sending me to the pugs repo to read the original MOP code ...
08:30:21 <perigrin> so I'm fairly certain :)
08:30:28 <Tene> Heh.
08:31:12 <Tene> nqp on parrot is making a lot of progress. might be going into severe redesign mode soon, though.
08:31:36 <Tene> I need to backlog #parrot to see if that was resolved while I wasn't paying attention or not.
08:32:50 <Tene> (I've contributed very little to Perl 6, but I stalk the project quite actively. ;)
08:33:15 <perigrin> I can only obsess over perl5 right now :)
08:33:35 <thelsdj> Peggle "EXTREME": http://storefront.steampowered.com/v/index.php?area=game&AppId=3483
08:34:36 <perigrin> from the makers of Peggle HARDCORE and Peggle DIE NAZI SCUM
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08:44:27 <Monty> howdy, Talliesin
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09:06:08 <thelsdj> qnx goes open source, hmm
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09:21:12 <est> thelsdj: that's a little exciting
09:24:02 <thelsdj> 9am EST
09:24:13 <est> ah..but not the kernel
09:44:53 <thelsdj> The first source release includes the code to the QNX Neutrino microkernel, the base C library, and a variety of board support packages (BSPs) for popular embedded and computing hardware.
09:45:15 <thelsdj> that seems to say will include the kernel
09:45:29 <est> maybe i read misinformation
09:48:48 <thelsdj> fyi, that was from here: http://www.ddj.com/linux-open-source/201805595
09:49:07 <thelsdj> the main issue i think is to use it commercially you'd still have to buy a license
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10:23:50 <sbp> hello
10:23:53 <sbp> time to read news stuff
10:27:59 <sbp> .title http://apple.slashdot.org/apple/07/09/11/2140239.shtml
10:28:02 <phenny> sbp: Slashdot | Canadian Bureaucrats Don't "Think Different"
10:28:04 <sbp> reasonably funny...
10:30:23 <thelsdj> http://www.joystiq.com/2007/08/22/dont-move-hacked-mario-world-levels-play-themselves/ is awesome
10:32:13 <thelsdj> if you watch only 1, watch the fifth one down
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10:35:05 <perigrin> someone certainly had too much time on their hands.
10:36:06 <thelsdj> isn't that the story of the modern world?
10:37:38 <sbp> "Asked if the moggie was being given free rein in the building, the spokesman pointed out that cats were not the easiest of animals to deny access to." - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6989055.stm
10:39:12 * qopi just watched the 5th one down :)
10:39:37 <thelsdj> i liked how it reused stuff a lot
10:40:21 <sbp> "I will auction off my blood, organs, and all worldly possessions - think I'm kidding?"
10:40:22 <sbp> - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/6990704.stm
10:41:39 <sbp> "They found breasts moved in a 3D figure of eight"
10:41:42 <sbp> - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4607642.stm
10:43:08 <qopi> and the 7th
10:43:32 * qopi stops wasting time watching mario do his thing and gets back to his cleaning duties
10:44:53 <sbp> ahaha, the 5th is great
10:45:00 * sbp hugs Super Mario World
10:46:45 <thelsdj> I've played through it atleast 3 times, such a good game
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10:48:23 <sbp> yeah, I was similarly addicted to it
10:48:30 <sbp> probably my favourite game evvar
10:49:11 <thelsdj> time to watch some World Series of Poker
10:51:15 <sbp> [[[
10:51:15 <sbp> The DVD features newly remixed and remastered sound, 5.1 Dolby Digital surround sound, and includes more than 40 minutes of added bonus material, including never-before-released performance footage of "Over the Hills and Far Away" and "Celebration Day", plus performances of "Misty Mountain Hop" and "The Ocean", a rare 1976 BBC interview with Robert Plant and Peter Grant, vintage TV footage from the Drake Hotel robbery during the New York concert stand, and a Camer
10:51:16 <sbp> on Crowe radio show.
10:51:24 <sbp> ]]] - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Song_Remains_the_Same_%28film%29#Forthcoming_reissue
10:56:15 <thelsdj> Theres not much news today
10:56:24 <sbp> except for the Zep conference
10:56:30 <sbp> which is like the biggest news in months. years
10:56:55 <thelsdj> I was going to say the breasts thing was pretty big too.
10:56:59 <sbp> I think it's basically making up for the rest of the... hehe
10:57:03 <thelsdj> (sorry for the bad pun)
10:57:03 <sbp> ...of the news
10:57:19 <thelsdj> shit, i used 'pretty' again
10:57:56 <sbp> woah: http://englishrussia.com/?p=1410
10:58:23 <thelsdj> You're like 3 days behind on that one
10:59:26 <sbp> nobody told me!
10:59:42 <sbp> 3D dark matter map: http://www.space.com/php/multimedia/imagedisplay/img_display.php?pic=070108_darkmatter_map_02.jpg&cap=This+three-dimensional+map+offers+a+first+look+at+the+web-like+large-scale+distribution+of+dark+matter%2C+an+invisible+form+of+matter+that+accounts+for+mo
11:00:17 <thelsdj> where was that referenced?
11:00:24 <sbp> better: http://www.space.com/php/multimedia/imagedisplay/img_display.php?pic=070108_darkmatter_map_02.jpg&cap=OMG+WTF+LOL+DARK+MATTAR???
11:00:45 <sbp> from http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/070108_mm_darkmatter_map.html
11:00:48 <sbp> via Fortean Times
11:01:10 <thelsdj> heh
11:01:44 <thelsdj> http://www.space.com/php/multimedia/imagedisplay/img_display.php?pic=070108_darkmatter_map_02.jpg&cap=%3Cscript%3Ealert(%22OMG%20WTF%20LOL%20DARK%20MATTER%22);%3C/script%3E
11:02:18 <sbp> ooh
11:02:37 <sbp> space.com, j00 have b33n haXXXXXX0rrred
11:03:03 <sbp> (with lovE)
11:03:06 <sbp> s/E/e/
11:05:46 <deltab> sbp: http://space.newscientist.com/article/dn12546-biggest-void-in-space-is-1-billion-light-years-across.html
11:06:06 <sbp> yup, seen about that
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11:07:51 <thelsdj> .title http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070911-finding-child-porn-without-hashes-or-keywords.html
11:07:54 <phenny> thelsdj: Finding child porn and Daily Show clips... without hashes or keywords
11:10:02 <sbp> "In the LTU system, images can never be identified in a vacuum; context is everything. Before the system can even function, it needs to be trained using databases of images. LTU has created several of its own, including a 50,000-image database of pornography."
11:10:19 <thelsdj> thats not much pornography
11:12:33 <sbp> I just find Official Pornography funny
11:12:38 <thelsdj> yes
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11:15:22 <sbp> I should record that wailing solo
11:15:59 <sbp> not sure exactly how, mind. not exactly "what I do"
11:16:09 <sbp> I think I'll just hit the strings between the frets and see what happens
11:19:40 * qopi can play 3 chords :)
11:19:52 <qopi> maybe 4
11:28:43 <thelsdj> I love how most stuff posted to Advogato tends to read like the ramblings of a crazy person
11:29:12 <thelsdj> case in point: http://www.advogato.org/article/946.html
11:29:20 <Arnia> s/Advogato/Internet
11:31:12 <Arnia> That's... loony
11:38:37 <thelsdj> yes
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11:42:50 <thelsdj> I should be going to sleep, but can't resist another 45 minutes of poker
11:44:24 <qopi> https://group.lpi.org/publicwiki/bin/view/Examdev/FOSK
11:48:13 <sbp> whee, done
11:48:20 * sbp listens in iTunes
11:50:35 <sbp> uploading
11:51:37 <sbp> http://inamidst.com/misc/omgsolo.m4a
11:51:52 <sbp> a reasonably comic aural delight
11:52:08 <sbp> (note: I will probably 410 Gone this in future, so get it whilst it's hot!)
11:52:44 <sbp> the best part is where I get sick of one track and just bring another in
11:52:56 <sbp> at 22sec
11:58:23 <edsu> awesome :)
11:58:58 <sbp> sidenote: I only have five strings
11:59:27 <edsu> http://inkdroid.org/tmp/omgsolo.mp3 for aac impaired
11:59:41 <sbp> when my e string breaks, I generally keep it broken for a while to force me to manage without it
11:59:59 * Arnia tries to debug the RDF/XML parser
12:00:30 <edsu> what kind of guitar?
12:00:48 <sbp> just a regular Squier Strat
12:01:05 * sbp mainly plays folk music and stuff in reality
12:01:20 <edsu> sure, eddie van sbp ... ;-)
12:02:00 <sbp> FINE. PROOF SHALL BE UPLOADED
12:03:23 <edsu> :)
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12:12:57 <sbp> edsu: http://inamidst.com/misc/Blackwaterside.m4a
12:13:05 <sbp> traditional song, covered by many people
12:13:31 <sbp> anyone who listened to omgsolo.m4a should probably listen to Blackwaterside for contrast...
12:19:05 <thelsdj> .wik Lick me in the ass
12:19:08 <phenny> "Lick Me in the Ass (German: Leck mich im Arsch) is a canon in B-flat major composed by Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, K. 231 (K382c), with lyrics in German." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lick_me_in_the_ass
12:19:25 <edsu> sbp: this was with 6 strings i take it?
12:19:58 <sbp> thelsdj: ...what the?
12:20:03 <sbp> edsu: heh, yes. DADGAD
12:20:07 <thelsdj> sbp: thats what i said
12:21:32 * sbp finds mention of it in http://ask.metafilter.com/31662/Who-fired-the-first-musical-shot
12:21:32 <edsu> i stand corrected, eddie
12:21:39 <sbp> good
12:22:05 <sbp> Eddie van Halen plays cello too though, intriguingly
12:23:44 <thelsdj> phenny: "Leck mich am Arsch"?
12:23:49 <phenny> thelsdj: "Leaking me at the ass" (de)
12:24:44 <sbp> hehe
12:25:27 * sbp finds mention from years ago in http://www.funtrivia.com/askft/Question45677.html
12:25:32 <sbp> it just so reads like a parody
12:26:22 <thelsdj> yea
12:28:17 <perigrin> .mangle Lick Me in the Ass (German: Leck mich im Arsch) is a canon in B-flat major composed by Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, K. 231 (K382c), with lyrics in German.
12:28:29 <phenny> perigrin: "Ass (language interns German L3.amame: The escape, which it) it inside with slow Wolfgangamadeusmozart is, east shoot and K in the expenditure of B of the commander, who is. Time 231 (K382c) of the thing l3.irica of the German in the language."
12:28:56 <sbp> Mozart was SO German in the language
12:35:32 <perigrin> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmEvPZUdAVI&NR=1# ... just ... wow
12:36:47 <Arnia> so... eighties
12:37:53 <sbp> yeah, too much '80s for me
12:39:42 <Arnia> Just... what the hell
12:40:02 <sbp> oh, was there stripping at the end?
12:40:09 <sbp> I didn't watch it all the way through
12:40:49 <perigrin> no sadly ...
12:42:44 <sbp> ooh, this is great:
12:42:44 <sbp> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merry_England
12:45:20 <thelsdj> gimmie 5!
12:45:26 <sbp> .eval 5
12:45:28 <phenny> 5
12:49:47 <cori[s]> sbp: is mangle a new phenny function, or a hidden one?
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12:51:59 <darobin> .title http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCgrG35-3js
12:52:02 <phenny> darobin: YouTube - Gregorius: NMKY (Finnish YMCA cover)
12:52:33 <darobin> highly recommended
12:53:17 <sbp> cori[s]: new
12:53:34 <sbp> newer than .weather even, I think
12:53:43 <cori[s]> tx
12:53:46 <sbp> np
12:56:01 <sbp> .weather EGLL
12:56:06 <phenny> EGLL at 13:20 (12:20Z): Scattered, 19℃, 1028mb, Light breeze 4kt (↑)
12:58:35 <qopi> .weather cuenca spain
12:58:37 <phenny> CUEN: no such ICAO code
12:58:53 <qopi> oh
12:58:58 <qopi> .g icao code
12:59:00 <phenny> qopi: http://www.airport-technology.com/icao-codes/
12:59:20 <sbp> we've been arguing about how to implement placename -> ICAO code matching
12:59:29 <sbp> with no definite conclusion yet. it's certainly on the todo list
12:59:38 <qopi> .weather LEMD
12:59:41 <phenny> LEMD at 14:30 (12:30Z): Clear ☼, 26℃, 1018mb, Light breeze 6kt (↑)
13:00:02 <perigrin> .weather KMSP
13:00:06 <qopi> .weather LEVC
13:00:09 <phenny> KMSP at 6:53 (11:53Z): Scattered, 42.8℉ (6℃), 30.18in (1019mb), Calm 0kt (↑)
13:00:09 <phenny> LEVC at 14:30 (12:30Z): Scattered, 25℃, 1017mb, Moderate breeze 12kt (↑)
13:00:17 <perigrin> no wonder I'm cold
13:00:29 <sbp> yeah. because the temperature is low
13:00:30 * qopi is going between LEMD and LEVC
13:00:38 <sbp> right now?
13:00:48 <qopi> early 2moro morn
13:00:56 <perigrin> sbp, yeah but I didn't realize it was *that* cold
13:01:02 <sbp> ah. well LEVC does see, the more bearable right now
13:01:08 <qopi> flying to LEMD then catching train toward LEVC but stopping roughly half way in Cuenca
13:01:13 <perigrin> I figured it was still over 10C
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13:02:15 <qopi> LEVC is on the Mediterranean coast and has a weather system all of its own, its pretty much always good weather there
13:02:24 <sbp> [INSERT THINGS ABOUT KPREID HERE]
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13:02:56 <Monty> lo kpreid
13:03:00 <sbp> good weather to me is 15C and moderate cloud...
13:03:12 <sbp> with frequent heavy showers
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13:03:20 <qopi> heh, in which case you'd hate valencia
13:03:23 <sbp> yes
13:03:33 * qopi met a photographer there who always lived there and also hated it
13:03:41 <qopi> "its always damn sunny here"
13:03:45 <sbp> hehe
13:03:51 <qopi> he wanted a bit more interesting light
13:03:59 <qopi> to take more interesting pictures
13:04:10 <qopi> he thought the weather in UK sounded fantastic
13:04:14 <sbp> tell him to move to St. Ives
13:04:20 <qopi> grass is always greener they say
13:04:20 <sbp> where the light is supposed to be fantastic
13:04:28 * qopi has a great aunt in St Ives
13:04:32 <sbp> cool
13:04:40 <qopi> she is there for that reason I think
13:04:43 <sbp> go there much?
13:04:43 <qopi> and artist
13:04:50 <qopi> lots of old artists there
13:04:53 <sbp> aye
13:04:59 * qopi has only been there once I think
13:05:09 <qopi> and I didn't even see my aunt!
13:05:14 <sbp> heh, heh
13:05:25 <qopi> but apparently she does live there
13:05:30 <qopi> if she is still alive that is
13:05:39 * qopi wonders
13:09:17 <sbp> .compare hogroast tofuroast
13:09:21 <phenny> hogroast (12,100), tofuroast (6)
13:09:34 <sbp> someone needs to invent a bizznitchin' meat substitute
13:09:46 <sbp> JIM! Japanese Imitiation Meat
13:10:12 <sbp> it should be all marketed as being hardcore and shitrude
13:10:22 <sbp> JIM IN YO FACE
13:11:08 <qopi> JIZZ Japanese Imitation Zoological Zomething in yer face!
13:11:26 <sbp> hehe
13:11:33 <sbp> "Turtle Island Foods offers a complete Tofurky Vegetarian Feast that includes a TofuRoast, Tempeh Drummettes, Tofurky "Giblet" Gravy, and one Wishstix." - see this is the problem with vegetarianism
13:12:16 <sbp> you might as well call something "Meat is better but, heh, we tried."
13:12:26 * qopi has never had a problem with vegatarianism
13:12:35 <qopi> long live sosmix! :)
13:12:39 <sbp> sosmix?
13:12:54 <qopi> (not that I've actually had it for years and years)
13:13:05 <sbp> I don't doubt that it's already possible to have a really interesting culinary foodlife being a vegetarian
13:13:15 <sbp> just that the marketing seems to always be such a downer
13:13:24 <qopi> http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.goodnessdirect.co.uk/detail/421104b.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.goodnessdirect.co.uk/cgi-local/frameset/detail/421104.html&h=300&w=300&sz=12&hl=en&start=1&um=1&tbnid=DbLE1k7aoqsmFM:&tbnh=116&tbnw=116&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dsosmix%26svnum%3D10%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dcom.ubuntu:en-US:official%26sa%3DN
13:13:34 <sbp> heh. culinary foodlife. as opposed to a nonculinary foodlife, of coruse
13:13:45 <qopi> heh
13:14:03 <sbp> hmm
13:14:08 <sbp> see, that doesn't sound good...
13:14:15 <sbp> it's probably great, but...
13:14:31 <qopi> bad marketing
13:14:34 <sbp> textured vegetable protein vs. lamb shanks
13:14:37 <sbp> yeah
13:14:38 <qopi> like the green party
13:14:42 <sbp> heh, yeah
13:14:46 <qopi> good policies, bad name
13:14:54 <sbp> they should be like the Platinum Party or something
13:15:01 <qopi> heh, yes
13:15:19 <sbp> fireworks at every single news event. even the ones during the day
13:15:59 <perigrin> The Sex and Rock 'n Roll Party
13:16:02 <qopi> that is what it is like in Valencia
13:16:11 <qopi> (fireworks all day)
13:16:15 <sbp> lots of Sex and Rock 'n'... oh
13:16:27 <sbp> well, similar thing then. bangs all around
13:16:39 <sbp> maybe they should replace drugs with fireworks in the old saying
13:17:33 <perigrin> sex, fireworks and Rock n' Roll?
13:17:40 <sbp> perigrin: the problem with calling it the Sex and Rock 'n' Roll Party is that people would constantly be asking where it'd being held
13:17:42 <sbp> yeah
13:17:51 <perigrin> or "This is your brain, this is your brain on Fireworks"
13:17:53 <sbp> .gc "Sex, Firefoxs, and Rock 'n' Roll"
13:17:54 <sbp> hehe
13:17:56 <phenny> "Sex, Firefoxs, and Rock 'n' Roll": 0
13:17:59 <sbp> ...Firefoxs?!
13:18:09 <sbp> ...
13:18:10 <qopi> heh
13:18:12 <sbp> bloody hell
13:18:17 <perigrin> Totally different that one
13:18:18 <sbp> .gc "Sex, Fireworks, and Rock 'n' Roll"
13:18:20 <phenny> "Sex, Fireworks, and Rock 'n' Roll": 0
13:18:28 <perigrin> it blows up your computer's memory granted ...
13:18:32 <sbp> hehe
13:19:01 <sbp> .gc "Sex * and Rock 'n' Roll" -drugs
13:19:04 <phenny> "Sex * and Rock 'n' Roll" -drugs: 154,000
13:19:41 <sbp> Love... Thugs... Chips...
13:19:59 <darobin> I would've thought The Third Party could be good
13:19:59 <sbp> jet. suds. leadership
13:20:20 <sbp> oregano?!
13:20:42 <darobin> the Cocktail Party
13:20:54 <darobin> or perhaps the Search Party?
13:20:56 <sbp> "První album Sex, Frogs and Rock'n'roll skupina nahrála v roce 2001. Během své existence [&c.]"
13:20:58 * qopi thinks the one planet. one chance. thing is rubbish too
13:21:06 <sbp> darobin: now, see, these have the same problem as perigrin's... :-)
13:21:08 <qopi> there is always another chance
13:21:11 <sbp> qopi: because of Mars?
13:21:19 <qopi> heh, no
13:21:22 <darobin> sbp: they don't involve drugs?
13:21:27 <qopi> and yes, I guess
13:21:27 <sbp> Give Mars a Chance
13:21:33 <qopi> heh
13:21:52 <perigrin> darobin, I think "people will ask 'Where?!?'"
13:21:57 <qopi> its actually, one world. one chance, but still
13:22:00 <sbp> darobin: well, that too, I do freely and unimpedimentedly admit
13:22:15 <darobin> perigrin: well, it *is* the Search Party....
13:22:20 <perigrin> qopi, one chance per world
13:22:25 <darobin> the Party To Your Silly Scheme
13:22:44 <perigrin> The Party to Whom We're Speaking
13:23:01 <sbp> The Golf Par Tee
13:23:18 <perigrin> The Afternoon Par Tea?
13:23:24 <perigrin> the Garden Party
13:23:31 <perigrin> even keeps the "Green" theme
13:23:37 <sbp> .gc "The Ass Party"
13:23:39 <qopi> .gc windsheeter
13:23:41 <phenny> "The Ass Party": 20,800
13:23:43 <phenny> windsheeter: 945
13:23:52 <sbp> Ass Party > windsheeter
13:23:54 <perigrin> The Fancy Dress Party!
13:24:04 <perigrin> no wait ... that's the Tories.
13:24:08 <sbp> heheh
13:24:19 <sbp> The Box Kite Party
13:24:30 <Arnia> The Perigrin Falcon Party
13:24:32 <sbp> The Arty Party
13:24:38 <sbp> .gc "The Arty Party"
13:24:41 <phenny> "The Arty Party": 1,170
13:24:41 * Arnia avoids the obvious
13:24:42 <sbp> too good not to have been done, really
13:24:49 <qopi> The Breakdance Party
13:24:55 <sbp> .gc "The Tarty Party"
13:24:59 <phenny> "The Tarty Party": 8
13:25:11 <perigrin> sbp, *also* the Tories I think.
13:25:15 <sbp> hehe
13:25:50 <perigrin> right ... to bed ... hopefully to sleep
13:25:59 <perigrin> ni...er ... day all
13:26:05 <sbp> The It Is Likely That Such A Pathologically Bad Interpretation I Could Almost Certainly Be Replaced By A More Pleasant I' With The Same Entailments As I And Which Has A Corresponding J, But It Is Not Clear How One Could Construct Such An I' Party
13:26:09 <sbp> 'night perigrin!
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13:26:58 <qopi> even the ecology better (as it originally was) is better
13:27:07 <qopi> er, ecology party
13:27:18 <qopi> The Better Ecology Party
13:27:21 <sbp> was it really? didn't know that
13:27:25 * qopi thinks so
13:27:30 <qopi> at least in the UK
13:27:34 <Arnia> The For Every Interpretation I From L to M There Exists Another Interpretation I' Which Disagrees With I In Every Element Party
13:27:42 <Arnia> Aka 'the Relativists'
13:27:58 <sbp> to you, perhaps
13:28:00 <qopi> The Big Green Gathering began as the gathering for the Ecology Party
13:28:09 <qopi> and wasn't quite so big
13:28:10 <Arnia> sbp: not sure I can agree
13:28:35 * Arnia is not just a relativist; he's also an equivocal relativist
13:28:57 <sbp> stop expensitivising my cheap joke
13:29:33 <sbp> .wik Relativism
13:29:36 <phenny> "Relativism consists of various theories each of which claims that some element or aspect of experience or culture is relative to, i.e., dependent on, some other element or aspect." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relativism
13:29:47 * qopi wonders why he can't find a good pic of a nike windsheeter from the days when fresh meant cool
13:30:18 <Arnia> Fresh means fresh only in the context of things which aren't fresh and things which are
13:30:49 <Arnia> non-axiomatic ostensive definitions, ftw!
13:33:31 <qopi> yes, I guess fresh meant cutting edge cool, not just cool
13:35:24 <sbp> cool with a soupçon of sasseh
13:35:52 <Arnia> and a pinch of nutmeg
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14:16:43 <laplink> .mangle "rock and roll"
14:17:01 <phenny> laplink: ""Rock' roll""
14:17:06 <laplink> meh
14:17:30 <sbp> laplink!
14:17:34 <laplink> sbp!
14:17:46 <laplink> You need a sustainer and another wah-wah!
14:17:47 <sbp> http://inamidst.com/misc/omgsolo.m4a
14:17:54 <sbp> http://inamidst.com/misc/Blackwaterside.m4a
14:18:10 * laplink picked 'em from the logs…
14:18:14 <sbp> oho
14:18:19 <sbp> well there's quite a bit of compression on there
14:18:27 <sbp> I don't have a wah-wah, I admit
14:18:36 <laplink> Yeah, I can hear the clipping.
14:18:49 <laplink> Unless that's static noise?
14:19:17 <sbp> depending on exactly what you mean, it's a combination of compression, static, and track volume
14:19:34 <laplink> Do I detect a half-hearted attempt at Bulgarian wedding music in there?
14:19:54 <sbp> well the funny thing is that I practised the Bulgarian wedding thing a bit
14:20:01 <sbp> and then when I went to do the tracks, I didn't do it. heh
14:20:07 <laplink> heh heh
14:20:10 <sbp> I think it needs to sink in a bit
14:20:36 <darobin> ooh pretty
14:20:43 <darobin> but yeah, you need a wah-wah
14:20:48 <darobin> they're great
14:21:13 <laplink> Doesn't GarageBande give you that, BTW?
14:21:26 <sbp> only autowah
14:21:28 <sbp> which sucks ass
14:21:30 <laplink> ah
14:21:32 <darobin> yeah
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14:21:46 <laplink> Sucks ass? Sounds like Mozart you mean?
14:21:51 <sbp> heh, heh
14:22:04 * laplink is so confused…
14:22:28 <sbp> someone needs to do a classical track, "Lick the Rim of My Asshole (An Homage to Mozart)"
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14:22:50 <sbp> and revel in the confusion caused
14:22:59 <laplink> Get Rammstein to do it. Should be right up their… alley.
14:23:12 <darobin> hu hu hu
14:23:59 <laplink> Hey, this is a cleaner version of Blackwaterside than what I had!
14:24:07 <sbp> yep
14:24:15 <sbp> I crammed it through GarageBand before uploading
14:24:21 <sbp> literally just made it today
14:24:44 <laplink> Cool!
14:25:21 <sbp> the Classical track modes are really good
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14:27:54 <sbp> so in conclusion, no. I can't do the Vai thing
14:30:55 <laplink> Pussy.
14:31:02 <sbp> heheh
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14:31:26 <laplink> “Do Free Bird!”
14:31:28 <sbp> he does have two more strings though
14:31:36 <sbp> heh, Freebird is sweet
14:31:45 <laplink> “DO FREE BIRD!”, rather.
14:31:52 <sbp> Heartbreaker solo would be the ultimate though
14:32:00 <jetscreamer> what song is it you wanna hear
14:32:03 <sbp> the solo that started all the guitar wankery
14:32:24 <jetscreamer> innagoddadivida
14:32:33 * laplink shoots jetscreamer…
14:38:49 <sbp> laplink: http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoID=2030916498
14:39:07 <darobin> hmmmm
14:39:17 <sbp> I love that video. dude's like 60, and he goes and does that
14:39:32 <sbp> (it's about... gah, they really need to put a time counter on there)
14:39:51 <sbp> about a quarter of the way through the running time
14:45:30 <laplink> 2:15 in the Zep.
14:47:51 <sbp> the first 7 seconds of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89yw7wqoaio are classic, too
14:47:57 <sbp> (well, and the rest)
14:53:42 <sbp> and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpfo8Oj0Szo for dessert
14:54:02 <sbp> (which shouldn't really be on YouTube since it's from the DVD. tsk)
14:56:01 <qopi> http://news.google.co.uk/news?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&rls=com.ubuntu%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&client=firefox-a&um=1&tab=wn&q=%22space+hijackers%22+tank&btnG=Search+News
14:59:17 <laplink> .title http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pLEXy71Fxs
14:59:20 <phenny> laplink: YouTube - Led Zeppelin - Kashmir [Live]
15:00:12 <sbp> ooh! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAUKBUluAEk
15:00:17 <sbp> .title http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAUKBUluAEk
15:00:20 <phenny> sbp: YouTube - Led Zeppelin - Sick Again
15:00:22 <sbp> (Seattle '77)
15:01:02 <sbp> (with the Rover intro)
15:05:50 <laplink> .title http://youtube.com/watch?v=45MghyE8pOI
15:05:53 <phenny> laplink: YouTube - JIMMY PAGE PUFF DADDY COME WITH ME
15:06:16 * laplink can hear sbp crying up to here…
15:06:34 <sbp> yeah, that whole thing worried me a bit
15:06:53 <laplink> heh heh
15:07:21 <sbp> alright, press conference is gonna be on. I wonder if there's gonna be coverage anywhere...
15:07:25 * sbp puts on both radio and TV
15:07:31 <laplink> Somewhat like…
15:07:37 <laplink> .title http://youtube.com/watch?v=yfKIapgaGEw
15:07:40 <phenny> laplink: YouTube - Nelly Furtado & Steve Vai Perform I'm Like A Bird
15:07:49 <sbp> ahahaha. I didn't know about that one
15:07:56 <sbp> that's funny
15:08:57 <sbp> grumble. regular news on both
15:09:45 <sbp> ah!
15:10:06 <laplink> BTW, press conference?
15:10:14 <sbp> £125! awesome, that's cheap
15:10:18 <sbp> but... how many...
15:10:23 <sbp> Zep press conference
15:10:25 <sbp> they're reforming
15:10:35 <sbp> no details on how to get said tickets... mrf
15:10:44 <sbp> one off concert, November 26th
15:11:03 <qopi> t'ra folks
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15:11:28 <sbp> "503 Service Temporarily Unavailable" at http://www.theo2.co.uk/
15:12:17 <sbp> ah, fuck
15:12:25 <sbp> they've published the website, but I can't get through to it already
15:21:15 <sbp> ah, it's going to be decided by lottery
15:21:15 <sbp> heh
15:21:48 <thelsdj> how many lottery tickets can you buy? :P
15:21:58 <thelsdj> qnx source is out!
15:21:58 <sbp> heh
15:22:08 <sbp> it's free to enter...
15:22:17 <sbp> but you still have to pay for the tickets, of course
15:22:23 <thelsdj> hehe
15:22:33 <thelsdj> how many dead people can you enter for?
15:22:41 <sbp> hehe
15:29:50 <thelsdj> .wik 1492 Pictures
15:29:53 <phenny> "1492 Pictures is an American film production company founded by director Chris Columbus in 1995." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1492_Pictures
15:29:58 <sbp> ha
15:30:18 <thelsdj> heh i was curious why they picked that name
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16:00:14 <laplink> http://www.space.com/images/070108_darkmatter_map_02.jpg
16:00:28 * laplink unfucks URL as a matter of principle…
16:03:40 <thelsdj> its no fun without the OMG WTF LOL DARK MATTER
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16:12:54 <sbp> right
16:16:04 <sbp> ah! win
16:16:18 <sbp> just got an email back, so one of the ballot submissions I did must've worked...
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16:16:32 <sbp> "If successful you will be contacted by email by the 1st October and will be given information on how to purchase at this time."
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16:17:22 <sbp> £250... that'll be like twice as much as the biggest concert sum I've paid
16:17:26 <sbp> charitable though, so that's good
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16:19:04 <sbp> "Anybody got three grand to spare for a ticket? I bet that's what the going rate will be. Touts will have a field day with this one."
16:19:11 <sbp> - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/6990704.stm
16:21:52 <sbp> wow, lots of people on BBC saying they won't be bothering. example:
16:21:53 <sbp> "£125 a ticket, with my wife that will cost £250. With rail travel and an overnight stay I wouldn't get change out of £500. I could buy their whole back catalogue for that, no I won't be going."
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16:22:02 <sbp> boo hoo, £500
16:25:30 *** sbp changed the topic to: "<mkmk> i know it isn't your fault. after all, you're french."
16:26:16 <darobin> oooooooooooh
16:26:18 <darobin> oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooh
16:26:27 <darobin> oh wait
16:26:29 <sbp> ooh?
16:26:39 <darobin> as of last week I'm Australian
16:26:45 <sbp> oh dear
16:26:45 <darobin> so I don't really care about the /topic
16:27:15 <sbp> so what happens when France beat Australia at rugby?
16:27:27 <sbp> or football, for that matter. both seem likely
16:27:32 <darobin> passport swapping
16:27:35 <sbp> Viduka or no Viduka
16:27:36 <sbp> hehe
16:27:49 <darobin> I marry a Danish girl
16:27:55 <darobin> that should make me safe, rugby wise
16:28:07 <sbp> ...or everythingwise
16:28:11 <sbp> do the Danes even play sport?
16:28:24 * darobin kisses his Argentinean special lady friend
16:28:25 <sbp> you can just claim, "oh, I'm Danish. no sport for me"
16:28:31 <darobin> does binge drinking count?
16:28:41 <sbp> hehe. that's either the world's best euphemism or...
16:28:55 <darobin> they also have massive kebabs
16:29:27 <darobin> like so: http://www.flickr.com/photos/robin-berjon/301067972/in/set-72157594495657096/
16:30:07 <thelsdj> rotating meat!
16:30:18 <thelsdj> oh my gosh
16:30:25 <darobin> more rotating meat than in a rap video
16:30:29 <jsled> heh heh
16:40:48 <sbp> thelsdj: did you show me a Garfield parody the other day?
16:40:56 <sbp> I vaguely remember seeing one very recently, but can't remember where
16:41:01 <sbp> I thought maybe Penny Arcade
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16:42:02 <thelsdj> hrm, i kind of remember that, but not sure it was me
16:42:14 <sbp> rattes
16:43:20 <sbp> http://www.yukihime.com/comics/paremix/mail/wonderfulhouse.jpg
16:45:06 <thelsdj> hehe, i love those
16:59:55 * sbp reads the others
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17:15:01 <sbp> http://www.yukihime.com/comics/paremix/mail/nancy.jpg is probably the best
17:15:32 <thelsdj> heheh
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17:23:47 <thelsdj> ha
17:24:01 <thelsdj> 10 months later the Wii is in stock on amazon.com
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17:28:39 <glen_quagmire> if i want to make a 2d game in python, is pygame the choice?
17:28:42 * Arnia boings
17:28:54 <glen_quagmire> pygame is so simple it doesn't have much features
17:29:07 <glen_quagmire> like, putting in a text input box in the game
17:35:09 <procto> glen_quagmire: I'd say it sould be the right library
17:35:28 <glen_quagmire> ok
17:35:59 <procto> I've only used its various auxiliary faculties, though
17:36:30 <procto> to integrate with the Blender 3D game engine
17:42:50 <sbp> heh, Jon Stewart's going to host the Oscars again
17:50:57 <sbp> .title http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/6990802.stm
17:51:00 <phenny> sbp: BBC NEWS | World | Europe | Russian 'sex day' to boost births
17:53:21 <thelsdj> maybe they can sex out a new government
17:53:38 <sbp> The Sex Out a New Government Party
18:00:50 <sbp> "Quite what security risks a kilt was pose I'll leave up to your imagination."
18:01:05 <sbp> - BBC News reporter on the Scots being allowed to wear kilts at tonight's Scotland vs. France match
18:01:25 <sbp> (they're allowed to wear them as long as the kilts "don't pose a security risk")
18:03:03 <kpreid> .gc "soulful bowlful"
18:03:05 <phenny> "soulful bowlful": 86
18:03:12 <kpreid> !
18:03:27 <kpreid> I was expecting maybe two
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18:10:16 <sbp> hehe. http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2007/08/31
18:12:04 <thelsdj> yea thats a good one
18:18:51 <sbp> wow. 1906: GOAL Slovakia 2-4 Wales
18:19:25 <sbp> Slovakia caned them last time
18:19:29 <sbp> now Wales are getting their revenge
18:20:28 <thelsdj> 'Final Fantasy: The Spirit Within' characters dance 'Thriller': http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6559615942846719603
18:21:05 <sbp> .gc cross-cum-shot
18:21:08 <phenny> cross-cum-shot: 11,800
18:22:06 <sbp> ahahaha
18:22:08 <sbp> 06:08:36 <sbp> wow! what a search http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Grpmgprmgh 06:08:49 <sbp> the series of g/r/p/m/h was totally random!
18:22:13 <sbp> - http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&safe=off&q=grpmgprmgh&btnG=Search
18:22:18 <sbp> three times now. sweet
18:23:21 <thelsdj> .gc SHITRUDE
18:23:24 <phenny> SHITRUDE: 0
18:23:32 <sbp> Google si teh slow
18:23:40 <thelsdj> .gc "death to your elbow"
18:23:43 <phenny> "death to your elbow": 3
18:23:46 <thelsdj> .gc "keebler elves own you"
18:23:49 <phenny> "keebler elves own you": 3
18:24:11 <sbp> <DrNick> Hi everybody!
18:24:18 <sbp> <MrBurns> Ho! Mer Simp Son.
18:24:19 <bancus> Hi DrNick.
18:24:23 <sbp> <DrNick> Er... okay, that was a bit weird.
18:24:25 <bancus> heh
18:25:00 <bancus> See the movie yet?
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18:27:03 <sbp> nopers
18:27:10 <bancus> Ah, then I won't spoil it for you.
18:27:16 <sbp> will get it on DVD. the transfers being so quick these days
18:27:17 <sbp> ta
18:27:44 <sbp> in a couple of years they'll be bringing out the DVDs before showing at the cinemas
18:27:50 <glen_quagmire> give me a tutorial on flex bison
18:28:00 <sbp> only we'll all be using Blu Ray by then. (right?)
18:28:04 <sbp> .g flex bison tutorial
18:28:12 <phenny> sbp: http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~pjj/complang/lexyacc.html
18:28:14 <sbp> glen_quagmire: there you go
18:28:37 <glen_quagmire> thanks you're the best
18:28:44 <sbp> sorry :-)
18:29:04 <glen_quagmire> no i was too lazy to google :)
18:29:07 <sbp> oh. hehe
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18:30:45 <sbp> <Marge> I must stop fantasizing about Lee Majors.
18:30:54 <sbp> <Marge> Oh... one more.
18:30:55 <procto> first, too lazy to google, soon, outsourcing wiping your ass to a third world country
18:30:57 <sbp> [BZOOOOP]
18:30:59 <procto> I can't wait
18:31:05 <procto> Can we open source it?
18:31:16 <sbp> can we open source asswiping?
18:31:25 <sbp> we could make a protocol for it
18:31:27 <procto> A group of kenel devs with big beards congregating around a stall?
18:31:31 <procto> kernel*
18:31:36 <sbp> WIPE ass://sbp/1
18:31:46 <sbp> the number is in case people possess more than one ass
18:31:52 <sbp> I, myself, only possess one ass
18:31:55 <procto> they'll be arguing about the type of toilet paper for ages
18:31:58 <sbp> but I am sure that some people possess more than one ass
18:32:17 <procto> how are you factoring in the size of the ass?
18:32:25 <procto> you need some sort of paging mechanism in your request format
18:32:26 * sbp would just like to add the KISS verb
18:32:39 <sbp> um, well for size you do a HEAD, I guess
18:32:49 <sbp> and get Ass-Size: Ncm back
18:33:03 <procto> 301 Ass Permanently Moved
18:33:32 <procto> should that be cm or ml?
18:33:33 <sbp> well, yes, lots of HTTP responses can be lifted wholesale
18:33:38 <procto> I'd opt for a volume response
18:33:40 <sbp> 402 Payment Required, for instance
18:33:57 <sbp> 414 Request-URI Too Long is another good one. only requires a small modification
18:34:04 <bancus> 404 No Such Ass
18:34:04 <procto> hehe
18:34:19 <sbp> 405 Method Not Allowed
18:34:30 <radii> streaming ass protocol
18:34:37 <bancus> Ewwww.
18:34:51 <procto> we've totally ignored lower level protocols
18:34:52 <sbp> and, last but not least, 502 Bad Gateway
18:35:03 <procto> how are you going to assure integrity and synchronicity?
18:35:10 <procto> you really can't be wiping an ass that's not there
18:35:13 <sbp> what would the entity bodies look like?
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18:37:25 <sbp> BZOOP
18:38:54 <procto> @prefix ass: <http://www.w3.org/2007/ass#> .
18:38:56 <supybot> procto: Error: "prefix" is not a valid command.
18:38:58 <bjoern_> hell-o !
18:39:33 <glen_quagmire> http://www.wallawalla.edu/ ; hah this is the best college
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18:40:48 <procto> curiously enough, I'm sitting in my Semantics class right now
18:40:56 <Arnia> wallawalla ding dong
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18:42:41 <sbp> what do you learn in semantics class?
18:43:05 <procto> right now? reviewing set theory, which is why I'm absolutely on IRC
18:43:24 <bjoern_> How can one ever be absolutely on IRC?
18:43:25 <procto> evaluating denotations now
18:43:38 <procto> bjoern_: I'm doing it now, aren't I?
18:44:05 <bjoern_> Well, how can I tell the difference?
18:44:21 <Arnia> [[procto]] = {}
18:45:10 <procto> [[{}]]wProcto = procto
18:45:17 <procto> phew, escaped at the last second
18:45:41 <Arnia> darn... but you're now self-contradictory
18:45:49 * Arnia lays Putnam down on your ass
18:47:13 <sbp> Putnam is funny
18:47:28 <sbp> "all that immediately follows from the fact that I can know that I am in pain without knowing tat I am in brain seate S is that the concept of pain is not the same concept as the concept of being in brain state S. But either pain, or the state of being in pain, or some pain, or some pain state, might still be brain state S."
18:47:41 <sbp> s/tat/that/; s/seate/state/
18:47:47 <Arnia> He is correct though
18:47:50 <procto> Putnam has a female name, so I don't listen to what he says
18:47:51 <procto> there
18:47:54 <Arnia> I extended his thought experiment
18:48:01 <sbp> oh?
18:48:01 <Arnia> procto: it was a male name until very recently
18:48:31 <sbp> yeah. like, Sir Edmund Hilary for example
18:48:39 <sbp> wait
18:48:40 <Arnia> sbp: yeah... don't have it handy right now, but I looked at when you can actually make a semantic connection to the outside world
18:48:56 <procto> Arnia: please don't shatter my fake protestations
18:49:04 <procto> :(
18:49:05 <Arnia> procto: but shattering is fun
18:49:09 <procto> true
18:49:11 <sbp> what, to brain states?
18:49:11 <procto> good defense
18:49:32 <Arnia> sbp: connections from the I-Mind to the E-Mind
18:49:45 <sbp> what are the I and E minds?
18:49:46 <Arnia> the answer is 'you can only do it the exact moment you die'
18:50:02 <Arnia> Which is wonderfully macabre
18:50:31 <Arnia> procto: Not as funny as this quote though: "How come my straight brother can get a boyfriend and I can't?"
18:50:31 <sbp> Google totally fails on I-Mind and E-Mind
18:50:37 <sbp> so I'll assume you're making shit up
18:50:53 <bancus> I thought it was I,U,M-Minds?
18:51:00 <bancus> Or are we not discussing GEB?
18:51:02 <Arnia> There are also F-Minds
18:51:03 <sbp> mindium
18:51:17 <Arnia> But I means internal, E means external
18:51:20 <Arnia> F means functional
18:51:27 <Arnia> bancus: it is from Chomsky and Jackendoff
18:51:33 <bancus> Ugh.
18:51:40 <sbp> external mind?
18:51:47 * bancus has a strong distaste for Chomsky.
18:51:51 <procto> this class used to be taught by Jackendoff
18:51:54 <procto> but he fucking left
18:51:54 * sbp has no idea what E-Mind might mean
18:51:55 <procto> for Tufts
18:52:02 <procto> the year I was going to take the class
18:52:14 <Arnia> sbp: what others see... how your behaviours look externally
18:52:23 <procto> so they cancelled the class that year
18:52:24 * sbp finds http://www.soc.hawaii.edu/leonj/459s2004/malsey/oral%201.htm
18:52:29 <sbp> aha, behaviour. okay
18:52:56 <Arnia> procto: I like Jackendoff. Very smart, very eloquent, very approachable
18:53:13 <procto> Arnia: I've only had a chance to speak to him a few times
18:53:17 <procto> I was a lowly freshman
18:53:18 <procto> :>
18:53:27 <sbp> I think the internal isolation of brain states is perhaps overstated as a problem, actually
18:53:48 <sbp> it seems plausible to me that it could be written off
18:53:57 <procto> Arnia: but people who had a chance to take his class have told me that your assessment is accurate
18:54:17 <procto> maybe I'll cross-register a course next semester
18:54:17 <Arnia> sbp: I disagree. It is vital in order to be able to ground language and explain what knowledge is. Very important
18:54:24 <procto> we have a cross-registration agreement with tufts
18:54:44 <sbp> vital why?
18:54:54 <sbp> why inasmuch as we can't do it already, I mean, with folk psychology
18:54:59 <procto> thankfully, we stil have Pustejovsky
18:55:06 <Arnia> procto: When I was a first year I read 'Semantic Structures' and emailed him some questions and a few things I didn't think were quite right. He emailed back explaining everything and thanked me for noticing the hole
18:55:08 <procto> with whom I'm taking a class this semester
18:55:23 <procto> Arnia: cool
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18:55:26 <Arnia> mmm.. not as big a fan of Pustejovsky's work as I am of Jackendoff's but still a good thinker
18:55:29 <sbp> to phrase it better...
18:55:34 <procto> Arnia: that's something I noticed is common throughout linguistics
18:55:39 <sbp> how can you be sure something undiscovered is going to be so beneficial?
18:55:47 <procto> maybe except for Pinker :> whom I've never met, but Imagine to be a huge asshole
18:55:48 <sbp> how can you tell what the benefits of something are going to be before its discovery?
18:56:04 <sbp> I like using prime numbers as an analogy
18:56:07 <procto> shit, publically logged channel, erh?
18:56:08 <Arnia> sbp: ok, you don't need to worry about it yourself, but it is important to be able to define it in the same way that the work of Frege, etc. was important to ground mathematics
18:56:20 <sbp> we didn't even really have much use for them for a while, but then came cryptography
18:56:32 <sbp> well sure, but there's that analogy then
18:56:39 <sbp> you can broadly say it'll be useful but...
18:56:55 <sbp> though that's almost certainly true, you don't know why, and you don't really know how until it comes up
18:57:10 <Arnia> We have lots of outstanding questions built on the idea that we'll be able to solve this problem
18:57:14 <procto> Arnia: we address all the ling professors by their first name
18:57:16 <Arnia> Such as the binding problem
18:57:28 <procto> Arnia: not sure why, but that's the practice
18:57:32 <Arnia> Which is a really bugger of a problem, and very important for neurology
18:57:59 <Arnia> procto: we call everyone who we know by first names, but last names if you don't know them
18:58:28 <procto> Arnia: ah. other departments (including CS) use last names
18:58:31 <Arnia> I'd refer to Dr Hunt (Mike Hunt, try saying it) as Dr Hunt because he's in a different department, but my department is nice and cosy
18:58:36 <procto> also, the practice
18:58:47 <procto> I'm in both, CS and ling
18:58:49 <sbp> hmm, the binding problem seems just to be fairly embedded
18:58:59 <sbp> I mean, I could raise the qualia problem or the intentionality problem
18:59:13 <sbp> doesn't mean we know what kind of advantages we get from them when they're solved, does it?
18:59:22 <procto> Pustejovsky is the Chair of Ling, but is "actually" in the CS dept
18:59:41 <Arnia> Doesn't detract from the desire to solve them though
18:59:46 <sbp> oh, certainly not
19:00:10 <Arnia> Practicality is secondary because, as you said, it is impossible to judge unless you've built a house of cards (which people have, alas)
19:00:34 <sbp> yeah...
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19:00:42 <sbp> though it's funny how many of them are so obviously cardlike
19:00:45 <Arnia> I'm far more keen on the theoretical implications, and theoretically it is an incredibly significant problem
19:01:06 <procto> hm, the binding problem? I don't think I know that one. (I know the other ones though, of course)p
19:01:12 <sbp> right. sorry. was going into a Dennettesque ethics-mode for a while, I think :-)
19:01:14 <procto> will look up when not in class
19:01:27 <sbp> [[[
19:01:28 <sbp> how speakers and writers, listeners and
19:01:28 <sbp> readers bind single-word information into multiword utter-
19:01:28 <sbp> ances and complex messages
19:01:29 <sbp> ]]]
19:01:35 <sbp> - some random PDF
19:01:38 <procto> ah!
19:01:45 <Arnia> Actually, it is greater than that
19:01:47 <procto> ok, I see. Thanks.
19:01:55 <sbp> > quote
19:01:59 <Arnia> It is how you link all your perceptions together into a coherent whole
19:02:03 <procto> right
19:02:10 <sbp> multiple drafts!
19:02:13 * sbp ducks
19:02:39 <Arnia> So your perceptions of a dog as being furry, having four legs and barking are all distinct and don't ever come together at one point in your brain
19:02:48 <Arnia> So how do you get a coherent idea of a dog
19:03:05 <Arnia> procto: I'm just in computer science, although I tend to think of myself as a computational cognition guy
19:03:10 <procto> yeah
19:03:14 <sbp> hmm. that was very clearly put
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19:03:23 <Arnia> procto: my interest is in relating machine semantics with cognitive semantics
19:03:24 <procto> I was thinking of doing some sort of combination of neuroscience and CS
19:03:34 <procto> when I realized I'm mostly interested in language-related stuff
19:03:41 <procto> I spent a year cutting up brains, though
19:03:44 <procto> which was super fun
19:03:47 <Arnia> heh
19:03:57 <procto> the mere sight of brains causes me to drool
19:04:01 <sbp> neuroscience * CS = NCS²
19:04:04 <procto> since I used to mostly do it during lunchtime
19:04:05 * Arnia throws an amygdala at procto
19:04:12 <Arnia> procto: that's called being a zombie
19:04:18 <sbp> woah, ye olde fotebal, five mins
19:04:20 <bancus> Wow... so... you really can compare shit to brain surgery.
19:04:25 <procto> those twisty folds are so appetizing
19:04:36 <Tene> Heh.
19:04:52 <procto> bancus: on sheep. dead sheep.
19:05:09 <sbp> shîp
19:05:11 * procto throws a cerebbelum at Arnia
19:05:19 <bancus> Fuckin' sheeple.
19:05:21 <procto> cerbellum*
19:05:34 * Arnia ripostes with a reticular formation
19:05:46 <Arnia> TAKE THAT YOU DOPAMINE STARVED ANIMAL!
19:05:55 * Arnia runs and hides
19:05:57 <procto> nyom nyom
19:07:08 * Arnia removes your brain and plugs it into this thought experiment
19:07:34 <Arnia> I should mention that the thought experiment refers to "an evil scientist on a particularly evil day"
19:09:30 * procto devours Arnia's substantia nigra
19:10:10 <procto> I need to get this bluetooth earpiece to work with the n800, and I'm one step closer to geoweb immersion
19:10:38 <Arnia> I wonder why geo-mashups are so ubiquitous
19:10:56 <Arnia> Have we lost that much of a connection to the outside world?
19:11:01 <procto> they're very compelling even to people that are not very information oriented
19:11:10 <procto> well, quite the opposite, I'd say
19:11:16 <procto> they ARE a connection to the outside world
19:11:29 <procto> they let you see more than you can actually process unaided
19:11:42 <Arnia> Yes, but a lot of the stuff you see in them are basic things that people used to handle without computers
19:11:49 <procto> right now though, exposure to those mashups in the actual environment is hard and expensive
19:12:08 <procto> and I just happen to dislike cellphones :>
19:12:29 <Tene> Arnia: example?
19:13:29 <bjoern_> hmm Tron 2.0 ...
19:13:38 <Arnia> Tene: shops, restaurants, locations of things which if the community were cohesive you'd know. Yes, you wouldn't if you went to another community, but not only do most people use these things for their local backyard (according to IBM) but asking strangers for directions is fun
19:13:52 <Arnia> It is a good way to introduce yourself to people you'd otherwise never meet
19:14:08 <procto> asking strangers for directions? I don't think you've ever been to Boston
19:14:43 <procto> anyways, I agree with you toan extent
19:14:53 <procto> I'll ask people I know, but I also use yelp.com
19:14:55 <Arnia> But that's the point I'm making. There isn't a community spirit in most places any more
19:15:10 <Arnia> I miss it, coming from a village in Bucks
19:15:18 <procto> I happen to know many of the top yelpers in the area
19:15:27 <procto> personaly, and "irl"
19:15:49 <procto> I have to get at it at a computer
19:15:57 <procto> right now, I can load the web over wifi
19:16:16 <procto> I want it to whisper softly into my ear that I'm passing a really hot new restaurant right now
19:16:36 <procto> which is already coded and ready, and I just need this dang headset to operate
19:16:43 <Arnia> hm...
19:16:58 <Tene> I've been traveling a lot for work lately. It gets tiring always having to ask others for directions.
19:16:59 <procto> I blame Bluez
19:17:08 * Arnia wipes the intension of procto
19:17:28 <Arnia> Tene: but a hell of a lot more social
19:17:51 <procto> what intesion?
19:17:55 * Arnia installs a new intension
19:17:56 <procto> intension*
19:18:01 <Arnia> you're now a dog
19:18:05 <procto> nooooo
19:18:18 <procto> I don't WANT to lick to my balls
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