Swhack! 13 September 2007
00:07:30 <thelsdj> I'm going to buy shitrude.com
00:07:37 <jsled> Oh MAN.
00:07:41 <jsled> you win.
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00:08:11 <jsled> and .net and .org?
00:08:18 <jsled> we could each have one!
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00:08:44 <thelsdj> i'll probably get whatever is cheapest
00:08:46 <thelsdj> .gc shitrude
00:08:48 <phenny> shitrude: 0
00:10:02 <Arnia> I'll get shitrude.co.uk
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00:21:46 <MoiraA> http://l8tr.org/monitor
00:22:06 <MoiraA> if you want to know when a certain page is available
00:22:36 <MoiraA> http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=42301
00:28:55 <MoiraA> going to reboot, will just leave this pc off
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00:45:05 <thelsdj> http://shitrude.com/
00:45:35 <thelsdj> I'm going to create a SHITRUDE community on Steam (if it accepts that name)
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00:54:47 <thelsdj> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/shitrude/
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01:00:53 <Morbus> thelsdj: hey.
01:00:58 <Morbus> i need you to figure out something for me.
01:01:12 <Morbus> given an md5 hash, stripped to 12 characters, how many possible results could there be?
01:02:09 <thelsdj> .calc 36 ^ 12
01:02:15 <phenny> 36^12 = 4.73838134e18
01:02:22 <Morbus> so, a lot?
01:02:23 <Morbus> ;)
01:02:34 <thelsdj> yea
01:02:59 <thelsdj> there may be a difference in chance of collision if you strip from beginning or end, but i don't know enough
01:11:08 <deltab> Morbus: characters from what encoding?
01:11:19 <deltab> hex? base64?
01:11:26 <Morbus> irrevelant now. i switched it back to auto_increment ;)
01:12:13 <thelsdj> guids!
01:31:13 <jsled> thelsdj: that graphic for the "steam community" (?!) is pretty awesome.
01:38:39 <thelsdj> the horses?
01:40:15 <thelsdj> http://pixiestixkidspix.wordpress.com/2007/08/23/a-cautionary-tale-for-horses-and-self-published-authors-everywhere/
01:40:43 <thelsdj> the entire thing: http://pixiestixkidspix.wordpress.com/awesome-resources-for-reading-and-kid-lit/latawnya-the-naughty-horse-learns-to-say-no-to-drugs/
01:49:05 <bjoern_> calc (2 + 3 + 4) * 5
01:49:06 <Monty> bjoern_: 45
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02:13:26 <bjoern_> """"We spent several weeks building a UI that used pop-downs to construct sentences, and only had completely harmless words - the standard parts of grammar and safe nouns like cars, animals, and objects in the world."
02:13:26 <bjoern_> "We thought it was the perfect solution, until we set our first 14-year old boy down in front of it. Within minutes he'd created the following sentence: 'I want to stick my long-necked Giraffe up your fluffy white bunny.' KA-Worlds abandoned that approach.""" - http://www.fudco.com/habitat/archives/000058.html
02:15:15 <bjoern_> .mangle I want to stick my long-necked Giraffe up your fluffy white bunny.
02:15:27 <phenny> bjoern_: "I that you which phu in fall of concern in the side of the spite of this quantity of precipitation of any dregs the thought you who flaumigen, wish us with rabbit of the goal the catch of Inge of the mien the length."
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02:54:59 <procto> Happy new jewish year!
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03:48:41 <Arnia> gah... bloody RDF/XML
03:48:47 * Arnia nukes it
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03:56:15 <Monty> hi l7, how ya doing?
03:56:18 <phenny> Monty: shh, don't let anyone know you're around!
03:56:21 <Monty> gobstoppers's carrier-bags consumes Australian nails...
03:57:36 <bjoern_> 22nd birthday of Super Mario Bros.
03:58:10 <bjoern_> 38th birthday of Scooby-Doo
03:58:54 <bjoern_> 51st birthday of computer disk storage
04:00:03 <bjoern_> 101st birthday of fixed-wing aviation
04:00:40 <bjoern_> 108th birthday of deadly automobile accidents
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04:03:59 <bjoern_> .calc 320 kilobit in kb
04:04:02 <phenny> 320 kilobit = 320 kilobits
04:04:06 <bjoern_> .calc 320 kilobit in kbytes
04:04:08 <phenny> bjoern_: Sorry, no result.
04:04:11 <bjoern_> .calc 320 kilobit in KB
04:04:14 <phenny> 320 kilobit = 40 kilobytes
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04:31:34 <laplink> phenny: tell sbp <http://www.icompositions.com/news/article.php?pid=251> is interesting. Vocal Loops and Instruments for GarageBand.
04:31:36 <phenny> laplink: I'll pass that on when sbp is around.
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05:43:21 <Arnia> Ok... I think I've just about got RDF/XML generation working correctly now
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05:46:18 <Tene> yay!
05:47:53 <Arnia> That took longer than I thought
05:47:58 <Arnia> Painful debugging too
05:48:45 <Arnia> lisppaste2: help
05:48:45 <lisppaste2> To use the lisppaste bot, visit http://paste.lisp.org/new/swhack and enter your paste.
05:50:14 <lisppaste2> Arnia pasted "RDF/XML output from Trinity" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/47659
05:53:39 <Arnia> Any comments on the output and how it could be improved would be appreciated
05:54:15 <Arnia> I'm trying to work out how to cull the (extra) rdf:type predicates once I've made the element itself typed
05:54:33 <Arnia> (but this is difficult with the library I'm using to do the parsing and generation)
06:00:58 <Arnia> And my repository is updated
06:27:49 * Arnia boings
06:28:07 * perigrin wonders if all BBC shows from the 80s were filmed on Video ...
06:28:18 <Arnia> a lot were, yes
06:28:30 <perigrin> sorry 1996
06:28:48 * perigrin has been watching http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0115288/
06:29:33 <Arnia> Ah, Neverwhere was brilliant
06:30:02 <Arnia> But yes, they have filmed on video for a long time
06:30:09 <Arnia> Shame it degrades so massively :/
06:30:51 <perigrin> yeah
06:31:00 <Arnia> But, it has always been the case that you can tell the period a film is from by the form of the stock. Film from the seventies was very warm for example.
06:31:24 <perigrin> This is true ... video and film have always felt different
06:31:28 <perigrin> over time
06:32:17 <perigrin> And yes Neverwhere is brilliant.
06:32:39 <perigrin> I've read the book several times ... but only just got down to watching the DVDs
06:32:55 <Arnia> The TV series was the original form
06:32:58 * perigrin hopes something comes from the rumors that the Jim Henson company is doing a version
06:33:14 <Arnia> Oh God... that would be nicely screwed up
06:33:22 * Arnia wants more Gaiman adapted
06:33:48 <perigrin> I know, which is why I want to see it ... though I think Neil has gone on record saying the Book is the authorized version ... or at least one of the books is the authorized version
06:34:01 <perigrin> Coraline comes out next year :)
06:34:11 <perigrin> and I've yet to see Stardust but it's on my list
06:35:32 <Arnia> I want a film version of Good Omens
06:35:45 <perigrin> I want Terry Gilliam to get his 50 million
06:35:51 <Arnia> hehe
06:35:53 <perigrin> which is the only thing stopping him from making it
06:36:21 <Arnia> Gilliam + Pratchett + Gaiman + large budget = ...
06:36:39 <Arnia> Who does he want to play Crowley?
06:38:07 <Arnia> "Nothing says 'I love you' like attempted murder"
06:38:59 <perigrin> I'm not sure actually ...
06:39:04 <perigrin> I wonder if IMDB knows?
06:39:49 <perigrin> doesn't even seem to be in IMDB now
06:39:50 <perigrin> hmm
06:41:01 <Arnia> Right, so we can speculate :p
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06:42:16 <Arnia> If he is directed well, Clive Owen might work
06:43:28 <perigrin> it's been far too long since I've read the book
06:44:23 <perigrin> but yes I could see that
06:44:27 * Arnia lobs the book and The Book at perigrin
06:44:36 <Arnia> This video disturbs me: http://www.last.fm/music/Natasha+Bedingfield/+videos/i_wanna_have_your_babies
06:45:59 <perigrin> She's a little too chipper about it
06:48:21 <Arnia> Its the maniacal gleam in her eye and the scene with all the blocks and other toys
06:48:47 <perigrin> Well ... she found the right guy ... though I think she really wants to eat his liver or something
06:48:58 <Arnia> I wish I had a 'Gilliamise' button which could take such things to their full disturbing conclusion
06:49:03 <perigrin> perhaps thats just transference from Mr. Vandemar.
06:49:48 <Arnia> perigrin: Natasha Beddingfield crossed with Mr Vandemar
06:50:09 <perigrin> I can totally see it.
06:50:34 <Arnia> Crowley crossed with Gordon Kay?
06:50:37 <perigrin> course I lived in Britan during the "Murder on teh Dance Floor" era.
06:50:55 <perigrin> So I'm ready for anything.
06:51:16 <sbp> wow, that song's hilarious
06:51:19 <phenny> sbp: 00:34Z <dajobe> tell sbp that the triplr issue he had with default namespaces is fxed
06:51:23 <phenny> sbp: 04:23Z <laplink> tell sbp <http://www.icompositions.com/news/article.php?pid=251> is interesting. Vocal Loops and Instruments for GarageBand.
06:51:35 <sbp> default namespaces: yay
06:51:44 <perigrin> morning
06:51:59 <Arnia> perigrin: see, at least she was well aware she was mental
06:52:05 <sbp> ooh, vocal schtuff
06:52:11 <perigrin> Arnia, this is true
06:52:34 <perigrin> She didn't sublimate her murderous urges into procreation.
06:53:02 <Arnia> But then she is deeply involved with the Feeling too, and they have some strange videos
06:53:24 <Arnia> Murcreation or Procreurder?
06:53:45 <bjoern_> !\S/\B\/P\!
06:53:46 <swhask> Unknown command, try @list
06:53:47 <perigrin> Actually I saw a Muse video last night on Joost that made me giggle ... some sort of bad B movie sci-fi western thing
06:54:00 <perigrin> filmed in Romania?
06:54:41 <Arnia> Yes but that's... Muse
06:54:49 <perigrin> true
06:54:51 <Arnia> Hm... strange videos.
06:55:20 <Arnia> I think its hard to beat Pink Floyd in this competition
06:55:43 <perigrin> Sadly I live in the US where we have no Video channels ... only MTV and VH1 which show some sort of mildy music related reality tv derived fluff.
06:55:54 <Arnia> Few bands produce videos for entire albums
06:56:02 <perigrin> Pink Floyd certainly wins hands down.
06:56:15 <perigrin> I watched teh Wall sober and wished I hadn't.
06:56:24 <Arnia> Gravenhurst's videos are quite strange
06:56:25 <sbp> "In 2004, her recordings appeared on the church's live album Shout God's Fame and the children's album Jesus Is My Superhero by Hillsong Music Australia." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natasha_Bedingfield
06:56:31 <Arnia> Very kinetic... but odd
06:56:33 <sbp> bit of a change to I Wanna Have Your Babies...
06:56:57 <perigrin> sbp, God loves the little children.
06:57:05 * Arnia steals sbp's babies
06:57:12 <sbp> 'I Wanna Have Your Babies", the album's lead single, was panned by critics for its "beyond-banal lyrics" about finding the right man to father her children.'
06:57:16 <perigrin> The original title was "I wanna have your Babies ... but only in Wedlock."
06:57:17 * Arnia raises them in the black arts
06:57:22 <sbp> perigrin: ehheh
06:57:30 <bjoern_> .thesaurus lyrics
06:57:32 <phenny> bjoern_: sorry, no synonyms found for lyrics
06:57:33 <bjoern_> .thesaurus lyric
06:57:36 <phenny> lyric synonyms: air, aria, assonance, carillon, chant, chime, concord, consonance, descant, diapason, euphony, inflection, lay, lyric, measure, melodiousness, music, musicality, refrain, resonance, run, song, strain,
06:57:37 <sbp> bjoern_!
06:57:39 <phenny> lyric synonyms: theme, tune, tunefulness, unison
06:58:00 <sbp> in Soviet Romania, Germany win games
06:58:13 <Arnia> sbp: I got RDF/XML generation working
06:58:15 <sbp> (I'm not sure what I mean by this)
06:58:26 <sbp> Arnia: generation? you mean graph serialisation?
06:58:29 <bjoern_> It's not very reversed, that much I can tell you.
06:58:37 <Arnia> sbp: yes
06:58:42 <sbp> I don't even know if it was a home game or not...
06:58:52 <sbp> well it must've been a home game for one of the sides
06:58:54 <bjoern_> Of course yesterday was our first victory against them in ... 40 or so years perhaps.
06:58:59 <sbp> Arnia: nice
06:59:01 <Arnia> sbp: see http://paste.lisp.org/display/47659
06:59:02 <sbp> wow
06:59:09 <perigrin> sbp, both teams could have been playing at a third stadium ...
06:59:18 <sbp> ah yes. quite neat
06:59:23 <Arnia> perigrin: or both teams could share a stadium
06:59:30 <perigrin> Exactly!
06:59:32 <sbp> perigrin: not in this tournament
06:59:36 <perigrin> oh.
06:59:44 * perigrin has his hopes dashed
06:59:50 <sbp> yeah
06:59:54 <bjoern_> 23 years, actually.
06:59:55 * Arnia declares a many-many relationship between Monty and phenny
06:59:55 <Monty> couldn't use your fluffy white bunny.
06:59:59 <bjoern_> OMG 23!
07:00:10 <Arnia> Wascally Wabbit!
07:00:30 <Arnia> wow, that was doubly apt
07:00:42 <perigrin> Monty, use mine ... little bastard tried stealing my wifes allergy medicine again
07:00:42 <Arnia> Almost like Monty has read the Illuminatus trilogy
07:00:43 <Monty> screw you
07:00:43 <bjoern_> (they last smashed us 3 years ago, 1:5)
07:00:44 <Monty> kisses repletion.
07:01:28 <perigrin> no monty SCREW YOU!
07:01:28 <Monty> ]]]
07:01:51 <perigrin> Andn thus closes the longest multi-person quotation of Monty's career
07:01:53 <Monty> Right, so obviously cardlike
07:02:00 <Arnia> In Soviet Monty, rabbits screw you
07:02:01 <Monty> .mangle I can't?"
07:02:12 <phenny> Monty: "The possibility "of rotation is not I there above"
07:02:15 <Monty> got a mer, i didn't even to dislike cellphones :> whom I've never mind
07:02:52 <perigrin> wow ... that's ... that's an impressive verbal explosion phenny
07:03:04 *** Arnia changed the topic to: "phenny: Monty: "The possibility "of rotation is not I there above""
07:03:20 <Arnia> Just for phenny sounding like Monty
07:03:21 <Monty> phone call is brilliant.
07:03:32 <Arnia> Monty: what's with you and phones today?
07:03:35 <Monty> "* Flashing firmware (Allow 20 stitches in pain in November
07:03:50 <Arnia> ...
07:04:03 <Arnia> I'll try and avoid November then
07:04:06 <perigrin> Monty, if I were a bot I'm sure having my firmware flashed would cause pain ... even in November.
07:04:06 <Monty> Do you think its likely that you was a bot you are sure having your firmware flashed would cause pain ?
07:04:20 <perigrin> Monty, have you started channeling dahut?
07:04:21 <Monty> Oh, I started channeling dahut ?
07:04:34 * perigrin starts to get nervous
07:04:35 <Arnia> ...
07:04:36 <bjoern_> Monty pwns perigrin
07:04:40 <Monty> I've got proof that you act rather like mucho gooseberries?!
07:05:04 <perigrin> Monty, I think you mean macho gooseberries, and yes, yes I do.
07:05:06 <Monty> fights's males wants rainy horses?
07:05:14 <bjoern_> http://media.arstechnica.com/journals/microsoft.media/540/sunstrategy2.gif
07:08:28 * Arnia dawdles over what to write next
07:11:56 <sbp> SPARQL?
07:11:59 * perigrin goes about cleaning up code for a potential release
07:12:18 <sbp> might as well cry about it now rather than later
07:12:35 <perigrin> SPARQL makes people cry?
07:12:49 <sbp> Mad Hatter
07:13:02 <bjoern_> males wanting rainy horses make people cry.
07:13:03 <perigrin> Yes well he's still upset that Time won't speak to him.
07:13:07 <Arnia> SPARQL would be useful
07:13:19 <perigrin> bjoern_, fights's males.
07:14:25 <bjoern_> who doesnt??
07:14:26 <Arnia> I also want to (at some point sooner rather than later) begin building ErgoSum (my working name for my RDF CMS)
07:14:43 <Arnia> perigrin: who or what are fights?
07:14:51 <Arnia> And why do they have males?
07:14:53 <sbp> Ergos? Um...
07:14:54 <perigrin> Arnia, ask Monty
07:14:56 <Monty> holds painted Rastafarian masseur!
07:15:13 <bjoern_> Monty, it's "Pastafarian".
07:15:15 <Monty> phanny: tell urgen is counting 8
07:15:30 <bjoern_> phanny is gay Monty.
07:15:32 <Arnia> sbp: It is a working name... Ergo Sum -> Descartes -> Graph
07:15:36 <Monty> http://www.yukihime.com/comics/paremix/mail/nancy.jpg is some wang from A group of Texas is it?
07:15:46 <Arnia> ...
07:16:41 *** sbp changed the topic to: "<Monty> nancy.jpg is some wang from a group of Texas is it?"
07:16:49 * perigrin steps slowly away from Monty
07:16:49 <Monty> man, the enthralling photo set l8tr.org to Dr Hunt (Mike Hunt, try typing badly ;)
07:17:27 <sbp> bwahahaha. thelsdj registered shitrude.com
07:17:47 <perigrin> Monty, you need to talk to darobin less
07:17:49 <Monty> incubators has a fight with milk-maid :(
07:25:00 <Arnia> Incubated milk-maids...
07:25:03 <Arnia> There's an image
07:25:30 <Arnia> I'm going to try hooking up the grammatical framework with Trinity and the CMS at some point too
07:25:32 <bjoern_> .gc Milchmaedchenrechnung
07:25:35 <phenny> Milchmaedchenrechnung: 133,000
07:25:55 <sbp> Milkmaid Reckoning?
07:26:04 <sbp> phenny: "Milchmaedchenrechnung"?
07:26:07 <bjoern_> phenny, "Milchmaedchenrechnung ......
07:26:08 <phenny> sbp: Hmm, got "irish"...
07:26:15 <sbp> phenny: de "Milchmaedchenrechnung"?
07:26:18 <phenny> sbp: "Milk girl calculation" (de)
07:26:41 <sbp> that's what I said, only more creepy
07:28:14 <bjoern_> "Elizabeth I is quoted as saying to one of her attendants, 'That milkmaid\rquote s lot is better than mine, and her life merrier'"
07:33:03 <sbp> and then she had her executed
07:33:56 <laplink> Wouldn't you?
07:34:19 <sbp> depends how good a milkmaid she was
07:34:35 <laplink> Well... Unless she was very pretty, and /very/ blonde! :-)
07:35:01 <bancus> Then she could be a special "milk" made, if you catch my drift.
07:35:03 <sbp> she was a milkmaid! of course she was!
07:35:24 <bancus> er
07:35:30 <bancus> Then she could be a special "milk" maid, if you catch my drift.
07:36:02 * laplink detects hints of bancus' fetishes and promptly changes the topic…
07:36:08 <laplink> So, War on Terror anyone?
07:36:34 <perigrin> Bueler? Anyone?
07:36:44 <bancus> That's a fetish?
07:36:45 <bancus> Huh.
07:37:13 <sbp> '"Recent studies indicate that the value added to the U.S. economy by copyright industries amounts to $1.3 trillion.", said CCIA President and CEO Ed Black. The value added to the U.S. economy by the fair use amounts to $2.2 trillion.'
07:37:54 <bjoern_> "The U.S. TV channel said Germany's recent decision not to back sanctions against the Islamic Republic, which the U.S. accuses of developing nuclear weapons, had pushed "a broad spectrum of officials in Washington to develop potential scenarios for a military attack." " - http://en.rian.ru/world/20070912/78120281.html
07:38:26 <bancus> how the fuck does that work
07:38:43 <bancus> "Germany won't sanction them, so.... let's attack." "Germany?" "No, Iran, silly."
07:38:45 <perigrin> We're attacking germany?
07:38:50 <perigrin> Oh
07:38:51 <perigrin> whew.
07:39:03 <bancus> At least, I hope that's how it went down.
07:39:10 <bancus> US vs EU would be *bad*.
07:39:17 <perigrin> I was gonna say we haven't invaded germany in ... must be nearly 70 years now ...
07:39:17 <laplink> But aren't we due for another war on the filthy Hunns right about now?
07:39:24 <bjoern_> For the U.S., not for us.
07:39:26 <bancus> Especially because at this point, that would essentially be US vs the world.
07:39:33 <bancus> Or maybe US and Australia vs the world.
07:39:43 <bancus> but maybe the Ozzies would smarten up
07:39:48 <perigrin> Australia is a commonwealth country
07:39:49 <bancus> bjoern_: For both.
07:39:54 <sbp> <implexor> some of my friends were smoking pot in a car. After some laughing they started to cruise around town. Drove for a while and while going round a roundabout one of them noticed that it would be funny to drive on it backwards. It was funny until the inevitable happened and they've hit another car.
07:39:54 <sbp> <dsarr> lol
07:39:54 <sbp> <implexor> w8 there's more. They went silent and just sit frightened in the car. Police came very quickly and started to talk to the driver in the car behind them. Then the policeman came to their drivers door, my friend opens the window, and the policeman goes "don't worry guys, the bloke in the other car is so drunk, that he's telling stories you were driving backwards".
07:39:56 <sbp> - http://www.bash.org/?803851
07:40:01 <bancus> perigrin: But their PM is in love with Herr Bush.
07:40:11 <laplink> Apart from that little tiff in the forties, we haven't had a decent war with the Germans since 1918!
07:40:14 <perigrin> Yeah but the Queen is a Right Good Shelia
07:41:05 <perigrin> sbp, hah!
07:41:10 <bancus> Sure, but Howard probably wouldn't care about that.
07:41:10 * bjoern_ has a hard time to see how a war with the U.S. might be bad for the EU...
07:41:17 <bancus> bjoern_: We have bombs.
07:41:19 <bancus> Lot's of them.
07:41:20 <bancus> er
07:41:21 <bancus> Lots
07:41:28 <perigrin> yes but you also have Morals.
07:41:29 <perigrin> :)
07:41:35 <bancus> we do?
07:41:41 <bancus> Well, some of us do, I'm sure.
07:41:46 <bancus> But definitely not the ones in charge.
07:41:53 <perigrin> I think we've successfully proven we're willing to elect people who are far more batshit crazy than you are :)
07:42:03 <laplink> The “Differently Moralled” you mean?
07:42:21 <bjoern_> .gc "morally challenged"
07:42:23 <phenny> "morally challenged": 37,100
07:42:29 <bancus> In the hypothetical event that we'd attack Germany for holding out on sanctions, I doubt we'd hesitant to carpet bomb the fuck out of the continent.
07:42:35 <Arnia> I doubt the US's nuclear arsenal is that likely to work
07:42:44 <perigrin> oh wait ... forgot which side of the atlantic bancus was on :)
07:42:52 <Arnia> So you'd need a nice stockpile of fuel-air weapons
07:42:54 <bancus> Heh.
07:42:58 <laplink> Over in The Place That Shall Not Be Named, it was an adage that every Helldesk had to have a Token Crackmonkey. I suspect this also goes for POTUS.
07:43:13 * Arnia notes that the US doesn't maintain their nukes like we do
07:43:26 <bancus> You might like flying them over several states fully armed?
07:43:41 <bancus> s/might/mean/
07:43:43 <bancus> it's late
07:44:19 <perigrin> accidentally ...
07:44:26 <bancus> So they say.
07:44:32 <perigrin> and it's not like they were populated states ... Arkansas and Louisiana ...
07:45:06 <perigrin> we bought them off the French years ago ... we can irradiate them a little.
07:45:24 <sbp> hehe at http://media.steampowered.com/steamcommunity/public/images/avatars/03/03803c952ccdd5083e70ebed216962c47242d959_full.jpg
07:47:27 <bjoern_> You should carpet bomb carefully then, because we have about 80 000 of your soldiers here in germany alone...
07:48:34 <bancus> bjoern_: They'd be dead by then, I'm sure.
07:48:44 <bancus> Or if not, we'd have no reason to carpet bomb.
07:49:02 * Arnia uses the Royal Navy against the US
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07:50:18 * bancus plays his Biggest Navy In The World card.
07:50:22 <sbp> 'ello pierpa
07:50:27 <bancus> The United States Navy is the largest in the world with a tonnage greater than that of the next 17 largest combined[6] and has a budget of $127.3 billion for the 2007 fiscal year.[7]
07:50:28 <pierpa> hello
07:50:36 <sbp> welcome to Swhack
07:50:54 <pierpa> thanks
07:51:09 <bjoern_> But with your entire economy completely ruined, what good does that do?
07:51:13 <bancus> I might point out that carpet bombing the UK would be ridicilously easy.
07:51:14 <Arnia> bancus: yeah, but are they as well trained, and how dependent are they on foreign countries for logistical support?
07:51:15 <sbp> this is a publically logged channel
07:51:20 <sbp> so please be careful not to say
07:51:22 <sbp> ANYTHING
07:51:25 <Arnia> sbp: you'd never guess
07:51:26 <sbp> that'll destroy your:
07:51:27 <sbp> future
07:51:29 <sbp> potential
07:51:31 <bancus> Hey, those boats will keep on floating for a while even after the money shrinks down.
07:51:33 <sbp> political career
07:51:42 <Arnia> bancus: floating adrift, yeah
07:51:49 <sbp> such as this:
07:51:51 <sbp> .gc shitrude
07:51:52 <bancus> pierpa: Like talking about carpetbombing the UK.
07:51:55 <phenny> shitrude: 0
07:51:56 * Arnia cuts off bancus' oil supply
07:52:08 <bancus> The UK has no oil.
07:52:13 <bjoern_> huh?
07:52:14 <Arnia> Yes it does
07:52:17 <Arnia> Quite a lot
07:52:18 <sbp> bwahahaha:
07:52:20 <sbp> [[[
07:52:21 <sbp> 10th millennium BC
07:52:21 <sbp> * Agriculture in the Fertile Crescent
07:52:21 <sbp> * Alcoholic beverages in the Fertile Crescent
07:52:21 <sbp> * Adobe in the Near East
07:52:21 <sbp> * 9500 BC: Granary in the Jordan Valley
07:52:29 <sbp> ]]] - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_invention
07:52:31 <bancus> Or at least not a significant amount, as far as we're concerned.
07:52:44 <bancus> We've got Iraq now.
07:52:54 <sbp> my poor brane
07:53:02 * sbp is reminded of tav's pyrex problem
07:53:04 <Arnia> Um... a lot of your military hardware requires a grade of oil only found in the UK
07:53:08 <bjoern_> You might have a hard time getting oil from there while at war with europe...
07:53:10 <bancus> This is no time for theoretical physics, sbp.
07:53:15 <Arnia> (or the Falklands... but guess who controls those)
07:53:33 <bancus> And all this time I thought you just wanted tho falklands for strategic sheep purposes.
07:53:33 <bjoern_> 9500 BC? God hadn't made the earth back then.
07:54:00 <Arnia> bjoern_: He had made the Book though
07:54:02 <Arnia> And Monty
07:54:05 <Monty> ok, I bet Rio did that approach.""" - it's really funny stuff
07:54:06 <Arnia> But Monty doesn't count
07:54:07 <Monty> sorry :-)
07:54:19 <sbp> some of these inventions are pretty handy
07:54:23 <sbp> ooh, soap
07:54:31 <sbp> noodle!
07:54:49 * Arnia encodes sbp in XML and sends him to a web-service
07:55:00 <bjoern_> 400 ka: Spears in Germany!
07:55:20 <laplink> .wik Pyrex
07:55:22 <phenny> "Pyrex is a brand name for heat-resistant glass introduced by Corning Glass Works in 1915." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyrex
07:55:31 <bjoern_> 200s: Horseshoes in Germany
07:55:45 <laplink> “Tav's Pyrex Problem”?
07:56:05 <sbp> yeah. I was talking about pyrex one day
07:56:13 <sbp> and tav was like what? what the fuck are you talking about?
07:56:18 <sbp> and I'm like pyrex, dude! THE GLASS!
07:56:30 <sbp> and he's like oh! aahahhahaha. I thought you meant the python thing. what the hell is wrong with me?
07:56:42 <Arnia> coding python for too long?
07:56:49 <sbp> when I saw Adobe in that list I thought "wow, that's older than I thought"...
07:56:55 <sbp> Arnia: too much technology immersion
07:57:14 <Arnia> E_TOO_TECHY
07:57:16 <sbp> yeah
07:57:25 * Arnia redacts sbp from the Techie list
07:57:39 <laplink> Python thing?
07:57:48 <bjoern_> phenny, de "Lehmziegel"?
07:57:51 <sbp> the only two things attributed to Leonardo da Vinci are the scissors and the ball bearing
07:57:51 <phenny> bjoern_: "Loam brick" (de)
07:57:58 <sbp> which are pretty useful things, admittedly...
07:58:07 <bjoern_> not phi!?!
07:58:13 <laplink> .g pyrex python
07:58:16 <phenny> laplink: http://www.cosc.canterbury.ac.nz/greg.ewing/python/Pyrex/
07:59:03 * Arnia redacts the universe for the night
07:59:41 <sbp> photo of the day: http://www.shorpy.com/files/images/10443u.preview.jpg
08:00:10 <sbp> the best bit is the way the wheels are pointing
08:01:26 <Arnia> That car ran?
08:01:30 <bjoern_> .gc "Unidentified Driving Object"
08:01:33 <phenny> "Unidentified Driving Object": 558
08:01:34 <Arnia> ARGH BLOODY SCHOOL BELL
08:01:40 <bjoern_> .gc "Unidentified Chatting Object"
08:01:42 <phenny> "Unidentified Chatting Object": 2
08:01:50 * Arnia has discovered a newfound dislike of hyper four year olds
08:02:09 <bjoern_> .gc "Unidentified Researching Object"
08:02:10 <Arnia> Got a school next door to my new house
08:02:11 <phenny> "Unidentified Researching Object": 1
08:04:01 <sbp> .title http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/6992444.stm
08:04:05 <phenny> sbp: BBC NEWS | World | Europe | Italy urged to go on pasta strike
08:04:25 <Arnia> Sounds like Mussollini in reverse
08:04:59 <Arnia> He wanted to ban pasta because he felt it made the nation too sluggish
08:05:02 <sbp> I just imagine lots of Italians going around whacking pasta with loaves of bread
08:05:09 <bjoern_> NO FOOD NEWS WHEN ME'S HUNGRY PLZ K THX
08:05:15 <Arnia> I think that is what signed his death writ
08:05:26 <Arnia> bjoern_: mmm... duck casserole
08:05:41 <sbp> you're always hungry
08:05:45 * Arnia sends sbp some venison sausages with a dark chocolate sauce
08:05:47 <sbp> and cold
08:06:05 <sbp> ...venison with dark chocolate sauce?
08:06:12 <Arnia> try it
08:06:26 <sbp> well, no because it's EVIL
08:06:39 <Arnia> but so am I...
08:06:39 <sbp> *dark* chocolate? the fuck
08:06:56 <Arnia> Green and Black's dark chocolate works very well with it
08:07:12 <sbp> seriously, I don't eat cute animals
08:07:41 <sbp> I'm a grotesquearian
08:07:46 <Arnia> Just think of them as being particularly big rats
08:07:47 <sbp> I'm a grotesquavore!
08:07:51 <Arnia> They're as annoying
08:08:01 <Arnia> Not as annoying as this bloody mouse
08:08:12 * Arnia threatens it with a broom
08:08:22 * laplink will only ever eat the cute animals…
08:08:24 <sbp> mice are awesome
08:08:39 <bjoern_> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/6a/US_military_bases_in_the_world_2007.PNG is nice.
08:08:49 <laplink> I'm sure otter would taste just spiffy.
08:09:10 <sbp> wait
08:09:12 <Arnia> I eat any any animal from mammalia and aves
08:09:20 <sbp> I thought they'd pulled out of Iceland?
08:09:21 <Arnia> Well, not rodents
08:09:29 * Arnia glowers at rodents
08:09:32 <sbp> Arnia: even homo sapiens sapiens?
08:09:47 <laplink> And I'm fairly sure we have a treaty with the russians that Svalbard isn't to be used for military purposes.
08:10:11 <sbp> they probably just coloured that as .no
08:10:22 <sbp> .gc FLORT
08:10:25 <phenny> FLORT: 1,160,000
08:10:41 <Arnia> sbp: how prurient do you wish the answer to be?
08:10:50 <laplink> .wik Naval Air Station Keflavik
08:10:52 <phenny> "United States Naval Air Station Keflavik (NASKEF) is a former NATO facility at Keflavík International Airport, Iceland." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naval_Air_Station_Keflavik
08:11:09 <laplink> «… It was closed on 8 September 2006.»
08:11:26 <sbp> phenny: tell thelsdj "The term ‘flort’ is simply a shortened form of FLORT, which is an acronym for a much longer and more complex phrase involving entire words. A flort, in essence, is a type of non-available annuity whereby a depositor, or several, makes a predetermined contribution every year with the expectation that they will either get it back or not." - http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2006/11/13/061113sh_shouts?currentPage=2
08:11:28 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when thelsdj is around.
08:11:52 <sbp> Arnia: which answer? oh, homo sapiens sapiens...
08:12:10 <sbp> I'll go for "quite"
08:12:18 <sbp> I mean, at least I didn't say homo erectus
08:12:34 <Arnia> 'only if its the right guy' :p
08:12:53 * perigrin still would preferr to issue a Zero cupon perpetual
08:12:59 * sbp judges that against quiteness... yes, pretty good
08:13:07 <sbp> .wik cupon
08:13:11 <phenny> "The cupon was the temporary currency of Moldova between 1992 and 1993." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cupon
08:14:05 <sbp> .calc 10 USD in Cupons
08:14:08 <phenny> sbp: Sorry, no result.
08:14:33 <laplink> .calc 10 USD in hookers and booze
08:14:35 <perigrin> cupon is a re-occuring payment from a bond
08:14:36 <phenny> laplink: Sorry, no result.
08:15:27 <Arnia> laplink: you wouldn't get much for a fiver
08:15:40 <Arnia> .calc 1GBP in USD
08:15:43 <phenny> 1 British pound = 2.0285 U.S. dollars
08:16:02 <Arnia> .calc 300USD in GBP
08:16:04 <phenny> 300 U.S. dollars = 147.892531 British pounds
08:16:14 <Arnia> bargin
08:16:18 <Arnia> bargain
08:16:21 <Arnia> bar gain
08:16:38 * Arnia refuses to divide below the syllable
08:16:44 <laplink> “Microsoft Corp. (Nasdaq “MSFT”) and Sun Microsystems Inc. (Nasdaq “JAVA”) today announced that Sun has signed on as a Windows Server® OEM.” — <http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2007/sep07/09-12MSSunAlliancePR.mspx>
08:17:21 <laplink> John Gruber's comment: “Scott McNealy is rolling over in his grave.”
08:17:26 <bjoern_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperinflation is interesting, starting with the box at the top
08:17:39 <bjoern_> [[[
08:17:47 <bjoern_> Rates of inflation of several hundred percent per month are often seen. Extreme examples include:
08:17:49 <bjoern_> ...
08:17:56 <bjoern_> * Greece during its occupation by German troops (1941-1944) with 8.55 x 10^9 percent per month (prices double every 28 hours).
08:17:58 <bjoern_> ]]]
08:18:22 <Arnia> !
08:19:07 <perigrin> sbp, specifically zero coupon bonds never have a payment until they mature ... and perpetual bonds never mature
08:19:42 <sbp> hyperinflation == time to invest in commodities
08:20:07 <bjoern_> I think we have some multi-billion notes at home...
08:20:20 <sbp> perigrin: so you never get your investment back on a perpetual bond?
08:20:33 <sbp> yeah, I have a multi-billion or so German note
08:20:36 <perigrin> typically perpetuals have cupons
08:20:49 <perigrin> that pay out periodically
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08:21:19 <perigrin> like an annuity ... invest X ammount now and for the rest of your life get Y every 6 months.
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08:21:31 <bjoern_> "The highest value banknote issued by the Weimar government's Reichsbank had a face value of 100 billion Mark (100,000,000,000,000) {100 Trillion US/UK}."
08:22:13 <perigrin> however yes with a zero cupon perpetual ... you give me money and I promise I'll never give it back.
08:22:28 <bjoern_> "One of the firms printing these notes submitted an invoice for the work to the Reichsbank for 32,776,899,763,734,490,417.05 (3.28x10^19, or 33 quintillion) Mark."
08:22:44 * bjoern_ likes the .05
08:22:53 <sbp> hehe
08:23:10 <sbp> that was the cost of the paper for the invoice probably
08:23:38 <perigrin> not including delivery
08:24:30 <bjoern_> http://bankjegy.szabadsagharcos.org/xxcentury/p137.htm (a 10^21 note)
08:24:40 <sbp> perigrin: yes, but then how long until you get your original investment back?
08:25:03 <perigrin> on a zero cupon? never.
08:25:04 <sbp> PENGO
08:25:17 <sbp> so then what's the point?
08:25:24 <sbp> and surely you must get it back at some point
08:25:30 <sbp> in the interest, I mean
08:25:45 <sbp> so if you invested N dollars, the time it takes to get a payment of N dollars from the annuities
08:25:49 <perigrin> That was what we were wondering ... turns out the example that broke our valuation engine was a convertable ... you could exchange it for stock.
08:26:03 <perigrin> so basically it was a funny way of giving a stock option
08:26:47 <bjoern_> But since you mentioned Iceland... http://www.icelandreview.com/icelandreview/daily_news/?cat_id=16567&ew_0_a_id=288872
08:27:14 <perigrin> Also I can see it being used as a method of giving money where charity and donation are illegal ... I want to give you money for a service you didn't officially provide me (say killing a foreign president) so your shell company issues a zero cupon perpetual that my shell company purchases.
08:27:21 <sbp> Ingibjörg Sólrún Gísladóttir. awesome name
08:27:29 <sbp> and wait... do I read this right?
08:27:37 <sbp> Iceland had one person committed to the war on terror
08:27:40 <sbp> and hey removed thme?
08:27:45 <bjoern_> yes.
08:27:49 <sbp> sweet
08:28:19 <sbp> perigrin: ooh, clever
08:28:30 <bjoern_> "John Craddock, the Supreme Allied Commander Europe for NATO and the US European Command, said at a press conference in Iceland yesterday that Iceland is an important and active NATO member and that he was disappointed with [the] decision."
08:28:43 <bjoern_> As important and active you can be with no military...
08:28:43 <sbp> hehe
08:28:57 <sbp> they kill all those nasty terrorist whales
08:29:18 <perigrin> bjoern_, they supply nato with Telephone Sanitizers
08:29:27 <perigrin> er NATO
08:29:31 <sbp> whale blubber could be exploited by terrorists if it wasn't harvested by Iceland for the Japanese (already overstuffed) market
08:29:53 * perigrin wonders if there is a connection between whaling and a lack of Armed Forces
08:30:00 <perigrin> since Japan also lacks a standing Army I believe.
08:30:32 <sbp> they have a sitting Army though
08:30:47 <bjoern_> .wik Japan Self-Defense Forces
08:30:47 <perigrin> which is why the population doesn't use chairs.
08:30:50 <phenny> "The Japan Self-Defense Forces (自衛隊, Jieitai|?|), or JSDF, are the military forces in Japan that were established after the end of the post-World War II American occupation of Japan." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan_Self-Defense_Forces
08:31:38 <sbp> [[[
08:31:38 <sbp> “Vadlaheidavegavinnuverkfaerageymsluskúr” is a word? It means the tool shed for workers manning the road over Vadlaheidi pass), and most of all the off-the-wall idioms these people come up with.
08:31:44 <sbp> ]]] - http://www.icelandreview.com/icelandreview/daily_life/?cat_id=16567&ew_0_a_id=289304
08:32:34 <sbp> this is a great article
08:37:45 <sbp> .gc "Big Boss Craddock"
08:37:48 <phenny> "Big Boss Craddock": 0
08:38:35 <sbp> .pc ú
08:38:38 <phenny> 00FA: LATIN SMALL LETTER U WITH ACUTE (ú)
08:45:02 <laplink> Gamma-Ray Anihilation Lasers!
08:45:16 <laplink> The Holy GRAL of Destruction!
08:45:23 <sbp> úúúúúúúúúúúúúúúúúú
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08:46:03 <Monty> howdy, idickinson
08:46:28 <cre8radix> äääääääääää
08:48:17 <sbp> pîp
08:48:23 <sbp> I love the circumflex
08:48:55 <laplink> ^
08:49:14 <laplink> ^^
08:49:17 <laplink> \/
08:49:28 <bjoern_> ^_^
08:49:48 <laplink> ^=^
08:49:54 <laplink> (unibrow bat)
08:50:07 <Arnia> pöp
08:50:13 <sbp> O.O
08:50:13 <sbp> ⌣
08:50:22 <laplink> Umlauts and Pop do not mix!
08:50:43 <Arnia> ππππππ
08:50:48 <bjoern_> sombrero: <^>
08:50:51 <Arnia> Mathematicians linedancing
08:50:55 <sbp> rêpïnémàn
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08:51:46 <bjoern_> small ship: <^>
08:51:55 <bjoern_> ufo: <^>
08:52:08 <sbp> WOW, if YOU type ALTERNATINGLY uppercase / LOWERCASE it LOOKS pretty COOL, don't YOU think? THIS could BE a NEW craze AND we COULD spread IT to NEW nations YET unborn
08:52:38 * Arnia births a nation
08:52:44 <Arnia> I call it "Montydon"
08:52:47 <Monty> Also I said, only had battery life of giving a player called Zhirkov
08:53:19 <laplink> Tantek Çelik: My Favourite IRC UNICODE™ Test!
08:53:48 <laplink> There should be a UNICODE™ code point for the UNICODE™ logo!
08:53:53 <laplink> .pc UNICODE
08:53:55 <phenny> 0055: LATIN CAPITAL LETTER U (U)
08:53:58 <phenny> 004E: LATIN CAPITAL LETTER N (N)
08:54:01 <phenny> 0049: LATIN CAPITAL LETTER I (I)
08:54:03 <laplink> .cp UNICODE
08:54:06 <phenny> Sorry, no results found for 'UNICODE'.
08:54:06 <sbp> .unicode unicode
08:54:09 <phenny> Error: no results found
08:54:24 <Arnia> .cp betty
08:54:26 <phenny> BOOP: Betty (ó,ò)
08:54:31 * Arnia sniggers
08:54:32 <laplink> .edocinu reverse
08:54:44 <Arnia> That would be a good name for a conlang
08:54:49 <Arnia> Edocinu
08:55:04 <bjoern_> 00,01sbp99,99, how 00,01about99,99 something 00,01more99,99 contrasty00,01?
08:55:07 <laplink> ™
08:55:17 <sbp> phenny: reload codepoint
08:55:21 <sbp> .unicode osrgia
08:55:23 <phenny> sbp: <module 'modules.codepoint' from '/home/sbp/phenny/modules/codepoint.py'> (version: 2007-09-13 08:47:12)
08:55:25 <phenny> Sorry, no results found for "OSRGIA".
08:55:28 <laplink> phenny: reload sbp
08:55:29 <sbp> better
08:55:31 <phenny> ImportError: No module named sbp (file "/home/sbp/phenny/modules/reload.py", line 12, in f_reload)
08:55:45 <sbp> bjoern_: that's less contrasty!
08:55:50 <laplink> Aha! sbp doesn't exist! Proof at last!
08:56:00 <sbp> phenny: reload laplink
08:56:00 <phenny> ImportError: No module named laplink (file "/home/sbp/phenny/modules/reload.py", line 12, in f_reload)
08:56:12 <sbp> you don't exist to give that proof
08:56:13 <sbp> QED
08:56:15 * laplink disappears in a cloud of his own logic…
08:56:32 * Arnia watches sbp get run over at the next zebra crossing
08:56:34 <laplink> Well, or «“logic”».
08:56:48 <sbp> woah. you should've added hi-lows too
08:57:02 <sbp> ơ
08:57:02 <laplink> That would have been excessive.
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08:57:12 <sbp> .pc ʔ
08:57:14 <phenny> 0294: LATIN LETTER GLOTTAL STOP (ʔ)
08:57:23 <sbp> æ«…Æ»
08:57:26 <sbp> ah, there it is
08:57:30 <sbp> «»
08:57:48 <laplink> «|»
08:58:11 <sbp> ‘«…»’
08:58:27 <laplink> „·
08:58:36 <laplink> „‚…:·
08:58:43 <laplink> –—_
08:58:46 <sbp> ß=···········-,˚
08:58:50 <sbp> .pc -
08:58:51 <laplink> „
08:58:52 <sbp> .pc ,
08:58:53 <phenny> 002D: HYPHEN-MINUS (-)
08:58:55 <phenny> 002C: COMMA (,)
08:59:02 <laplink> Damn, wheres the high?
08:59:20 <sbp> ɵ
08:59:21 * Arnia passes laplink some cocaine
08:59:24 <sbp> .pc ɵ
08:59:26 <phenny> 0275: LATIN SMALL LETTER BARRED O (ɵ)
08:59:31 * laplink gets high…
08:59:31 <sbp> freaky
08:59:43 <laplink> COCAINE MAN!
08:59:50 <Arnia> That's a latin letter?
08:59:51 <laplink> IT'S THE ULTIMATE HIGH!
09:00:18 <Arnia> Did the Unicode team get bored with the Latin block and decide to extend it for shits and/or giggles?
09:00:32 <laplink> I WANTA DRUG THAT MAKES MY HEART EXPLODE, MY DICK FALL OFF, AND SUCKS ALL MY MONEY OUT OF MY BANK! IS THAT POSSIBLE PLEASE?!
09:00:39 <bjoern_> .cp hexagon
09:00:42 <bjoern_> .cp pentagon
09:00:42 <phenny> 2B21: WHITE HEXAGON (⬡)
09:00:44 <phenny> 2B20: WHITE PENTAGON (⬠)
09:00:44 <phenny> 2B22: BLACK HEXAGON (⬢)
09:00:45 <laplink> WHERE DO I SIGN UP?!
09:00:48 <phenny> 2B23: HORIZONTAL BLACK HEXAGON (⬣) [...]
09:00:54 <bjoern_> so where is the black pentagon?
09:00:58 <sbp> laplink: take a woman?
09:01:10 <sbp> well, not sure about the DICK FALL OFF bit
09:01:14 * laplink already has one of those…
09:01:18 <Arnia> sbp: a woman with leprosy
09:01:23 <sbp> ah, there you go
09:01:34 <laplink> Which epxlains why I have no money in the account for cocain to suck out....
09:01:58 <sbp> ALIGN YOUR WANTS WITH REALITY
09:02:09 <laplink> .wik Eightball
09:02:11 <phenny> "Eight-ball, a pocket billiards (pool) game" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eightball
09:02:20 <laplink> NO! WRONG! BAD WIKIPEDIA!
09:02:29 <Arnia> .wik Pi-Ball
09:02:32 <phenny> "$100_laptop - streaming.scmp.com/podcasting/upload/tech_two_dec06.mp3" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Gmaxwell/extff/mp3
09:02:35 <laplink> «one-eighth ounce (3.5g) of a psychoactive drug (especially cocaine, heroin, or crystal methamphetamine)»
09:02:40 <sbp> .wik Thigh-ball
09:02:41 <phenny> Can't find anything in Wikipedia for "Thigh-ball".
09:02:50 <bjoern_> .cp ^2962
09:02:50 <phenny> 2962: LEFTWARDS HARPOON WITH BARB UP ABOVE LEFTWARDS HARPOON WITH BARB DOWN (⥢)
09:03:14 * laplink cremates Dennis Leary and smokes his ashes…
09:03:25 <sbp> .wik Dennis Leary
09:03:28 <phenny> "Denis Leary (born Denis Colin Leary on August 18, 1957) is a Golden Globe and Emmy Award-nominated American actor, comedian, writer and director." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Leary
09:03:32 <bjoern_> .cp centre
09:03:33 * Arnia cremates laplink and uses his lashes as war pants
09:03:35 <phenny> 02D2: MODIFIER LETTER CENTRED RIGHT HALF RING (˒)
09:03:38 <phenny> 02D3: MODIFIER LETTER CENTRED LEFT HALF RING (˓)
09:03:41 <phenny> 06EA: ARABIC EMPTY CENTRE LOW STOP (◌۪) [...]
09:03:41 <bjoern_> .cp \bcentre
09:03:44 <phenny> 02D2: MODIFIER LETTER CENTRED RIGHT HALF RING (˒)
09:03:47 <phenny> 02D3: MODIFIER LETTER CENTRED LEFT HALF RING (˓)
09:03:50 <phenny> 06EA: ARABIC EMPTY CENTRE LOW STOP (◌۪) [...]
09:03:55 <bjoern_> hrmngpf
09:04:00 <sbp> gprmgprmgrgh
09:04:01 <laplink> .wik No Cure for Cancer
09:04:04 <phenny> "No Cure for Cancer is Denis Leary's standup routine from the early 1990s." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Cure_for_Cancer
09:04:29 <laplink> .cp cock ring
09:04:31 <phenny> Sorry, no results found for 'cock ring'.
09:04:38 <laplink> LIES!
09:04:54 <sbp> .unicode ring
09:04:58 <phenny> U+02DA RING ABOVE (˚)
09:04:59 <sbp> .unicode c ring
09:05:02 <phenny> U+030A COMBINING RING ABOVE (̊)
09:05:05 <sbp> .unicode coc ring
09:05:08 <phenny> Sorry, no results found for "COC RING".
09:05:38 <laplink> .gc cock rouge
09:05:41 <phenny> cock rouge: 1,100,000
09:06:02 <laplink> You need to do something about the combining chars.
09:06:19 <laplink> .unicode combining
09:06:22 <phenny> U+031B COMBINING HORN (̛)
09:07:21 <bjoern_> .cp ^225A
09:07:23 <phenny> 225A: EQUIANGULAR TO (≚)
09:07:29 <bjoern_> .gc "EQUIANGULAR TO"
09:07:32 <phenny> "EQUIANGULAR TO": 1,290
09:08:46 <bjoern_> .cp scruple
09:08:48 <phenny> 2108: SCRUPLE (℈)
09:10:53 <bjoern_> .gc epsili
09:10:56 <phenny> epsili: 101
09:12:27 <sbp> .compare equiangular equitangular
09:12:30 <phenny> equiangular (168,000), equitangular (6)
09:13:13 <laplink> What would happen if the Republican presidential candidate wins the election, and then joins the Democratic party?
09:13:19 <laplink> (or vice versa)
09:13:31 <bjoern_> first guess: nobody would notice.
09:13:35 <laplink> Sure.
09:13:52 <laplink> Apparetly, in the local town council election, this is exactly what happened.
09:14:02 <Arnia> What would happen if someone were to stand for both parties at once?
09:14:28 <laplink> Someone running for the Workers Party got a seat and then promptly switched to the Socialist Leftist Party.
09:14:53 * laplink misses the Communist Party…
09:15:22 <bjoern_> And people can tell which party is which?
09:15:25 <laplink> Unique among the political parties, they had Armed Revolution as a point on the party program!
09:15:33 <laplink> bjoern_: No, not really.
09:15:48 <Arnia> laplink: I prefer the policy of towing Great Britain to the Carribean
09:15:55 <Arnia> (Monster Raving Looney Party)
09:16:11 <laplink> I stopped voting when they changed the rules such that blank votes were invalidated instead of counted seperately.
09:16:33 <Arnia> eh?
09:16:40 <Arnia> Spoiling ballots is fun!
09:16:48 <Arnia> Writing rude messages they have to read
09:16:57 <sbp> spilling turkey juices on ballots is fun
09:17:00 <laplink> You can't say “None of these loons get my vote!”; they just throw away the ballot.
09:17:18 <bjoern_> Yeah, write "By reading this, you give me control over your mind."
09:17:19 <Arnia> laplink: wow... why did they do that?
09:17:46 <laplink> Because people were catching ad actually making use of the possibility?
09:17:57 <laplink> “…on and…”
09:18:28 <laplink> The ones making the rules are the same that would get a vote of no confidence from the blank votes.
09:19:04 <bjoern_> Here you can vote for whoever you'd like to see in office, candidate or not.
09:19:44 <laplink> Yeah you can't even strike out the idiots you don't want while voting for that person's party.
09:20:34 <Arnia> bjoern_: that was made illegal here to stop pressganging
09:20:46 <bjoern_> pressganging?
09:20:59 * Arnia makes bjoern_ leader of the fee world
09:21:09 <sbp> .wik Pressgang
09:21:09 <laplink> .wik pressgang
09:21:10 <phenny> "Impressment (colloquially, 'press-ganging') is the act of conscripting people to serve in the military or navy, usually by force and without notice." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pressgang
09:21:10 <phenny> "Impressment (colloquially, 'press-ganging') is the act of conscripting people to serve in the military or navy, usually by force and without notice." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pressgang
09:21:29 <sbp> 09:21:09 <sbp> .wik Pressgang
09:21:29 <sbp> 09:21:09 <laplink> .wik pressgang
09:21:35 <sbp> - http://swhack.com/logs/2007-09-13
09:21:37 <laplink> LIES!
09:21:42 <sbp> WINZ
09:21:55 <laplink> phenny should prefix the .wik responses.
09:21:55 <bjoern_> yeah but where is the relationship?
09:22:04 <bjoern_> SHOULD NOT
09:22:14 <laplink> CHEATS!
09:22:17 <Arnia> SHOULD TOO!
09:22:27 <bjoern_> MAY NOT
09:22:27 <laplink> CAPITAL LETTER OUTBURST!
09:22:30 * Arnia gets his panto dame costume on
09:22:32 <Arnia> MUST!
09:22:39 <laplink> SHAN!T
09:22:43 <bjoern_> FASCIST
09:22:46 <Arnia> BADGER!
09:22:47 <laplink> SHITE!
09:22:54 <bjoern_> SHITRUDES
09:23:07 <Arnia> SHITRUDE.COM!
09:23:16 <laplink> TOURETTE SYNDROME OUTLET!
09:23:33 <laplink> SHOUTING INCOMPREHENSIBLY!
09:23:41 <Arnia> FOAMING AT THE MOUTH!
09:24:00 <laplink> I DON!T CARE SO LONG AS IT'S IN CAPITAL LETTERS!
09:24:17 * bjoern_ ATTACKS WITH A U+2EA7
09:24:25 <Arnia> I DON'T CARE AS LONG AS I GET MY MONTY LOVIN'!
09:24:27 <Monty> Please don't adore applet...?
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09:25:09 * bjoern_ WINS
09:25:10 <bjoern_> yay!
09:26:03 * Arnia DNS
09:27:31 <sbp> .cp ^2EA7
09:27:32 <phenny> 2EA7: CJK RADICAL COW (⺧)
09:27:37 <sbp> RADICAL COW
09:28:07 <Arnia> I wonder what non-swhackians think when they see our ramblings
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09:29:04 <perigrin> dude ... where can I buy what they were on.
09:29:24 <bjoern_> Where you get the Google module from.
09:29:26 <sbp> well, from any good furniture shop
09:29:30 <sbp> ahahaaha
09:29:44 <perigrin> bjoern_++
09:30:27 <sbp> zsh feature request: tab expansion in the *middle* of words
09:30:51 <Arnia> Joe feature request: Please can I implement a MUD-style interface to my RDF store
09:31:04 <Arnia> (ultimate third person)
09:31:12 <Arnia> (a new game from Bandai)
09:31:18 <laplink> Add Plural.
09:31:19 <perigrin> i
09:31:20 <sbp> Arnia -> Joe -> Arnia -> Joe -> Arnia -> Joe -> Arnia -> Joe -> Arnia -> Joe -> Arnia -> Joe -> Arnia -> Joe -> Arnia -> Joe -> Arnia -> Joe -> Arnia -> Joe -> the new striped syntax
09:31:23 <sbp> ÷
09:31:25 <perigrin> You Have the Following Triples:
09:31:44 <bjoern_> No, I don't.
09:31:54 <perigrin> apparently neither do I .
09:32:03 <bjoern_> Just as I had forseen.
09:32:03 <laplink> The Emty Document Triple!
09:32:20 * laplink searches for his “P”…
09:32:31 <Arnia> I'm not even sure RDF exists. I'm just hedging my bets with this library
09:32:36 * laplink finds it stacked on a shelf with his “Q”…
09:32:50 * sbp throws rocks at laplink's Ps and Qs
09:32:59 * Arnia wraps sbp in an intensional set
09:33:07 <sbp> 'eave 'alf a brick at 'im!
09:33:13 * laplink minds his Ps and Qs from sbp's bricks…
09:33:20 <perigrin> I don't think I like your intentsions there Arnia
09:33:27 <sbp> .gc "'eave 'alf a brick at 'im!"
09:33:28 <phenny> "'eave 'alf a brick at 'im!": 4
09:33:30 <sbp> .g "'eave 'alf a brick at 'im!"
09:33:33 <phenny> sbp: http://www.worldwidewords.org/articles/unpaired.htm
09:33:35 <laplink> .gc "mind your Ps and Qs"
09:33:37 <phenny> "mind your Ps and Qs": 16,800
09:33:40 <Arnia> perigrin: I could have extended too far
09:33:54 <perigrin> .gc "'eave 'alf a brick at 'im!" -ignatz
09:33:54 <sbp> ooh, so that's where I got that from
09:33:57 <phenny> "'eave 'alf a brick at 'im!" -ignatz : 7
09:33:58 <sbp> "Over the years this developed in the spirit of that old Punch cartoon: “Who’s ’e? A stranger? ’Eave ’alf a brick at ’im!”, which encapsulated the notion that what was unfamiliar was also strange, foreign, suspect and unacceptable."
09:34:05 <sbp> perigrin: oh, thanks
09:34:18 <sbp> must remember to use -ignatz to get impossibly larger results
09:34:27 <bjoern_> ... IN A ROBOT.
09:34:31 <sbp> hehe
09:34:32 <perigrin> yeah I'm wondering how that worked
09:36:46 <sbp> 10:26 <maxf> there's on in the Breestraat and another in Hooigraght
09:36:46 <sbp> 10:26 <maxf> s/gh/ch
09:36:50 <sbp> I found this funny for some reason
09:37:30 <perigrin> Hooigracht!
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09:47:10 <sbp> I heard that 20,000,000 people tried to get Zep tickets yesterday
09:47:15 <sbp> not sure if that's an exaggeration
09:47:19 <sbp> there are only 18,000 tickets
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09:51:33 <bjoern_> .compare "effect without cause" "cause without effect"
09:51:37 <phenny> "effect without cause" (14,000), "cause without effect" (1,230)
09:52:42 <perigrin> .gc "noncausal causality"
09:52:44 <phenny> "noncausal causality": 4
09:52:56 <bjoern_> .gc "causal noncausality"
09:52:59 <phenny> "causal noncausality": 0
09:53:11 <Arnia> .gc "nonreal causality"
09:53:14 <phenny> "nonreal causality": 0
09:55:59 <sbp> awesome. Arnia and I just turned #swig into #swhack
09:56:17 <libby> yeah that was pretty spectacular
09:56:22 <libby> and surprisingly easy!
09:56:33 * Arnia high-fives sbp
09:57:05 <Arnia> Synergistic cross-community fertilisation
09:57:07 * sbp ^5
09:57:08 <sbp> hehe
09:58:09 <Arnia> I did get confused for a minute about which channel I was talking in
09:58:27 <sbp> yeah. I get that a lot when a regular from channel N speaks on channel M
09:58:42 <sbp> I have to think for a moment about what tone is required for M...
09:58:49 <Arnia> After that, it just seemed the appropriate thing to do (nothing is more jarring than interrupting a stream of consciousness about kids TV)
10:00:30 <Arnia> • Paul_Miller enjoyed 'Box of Delights'...
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10:01:17 <Arnia> Good grief, can you imagine a tone like this sticking in swig?
10:01:47 <Arnia> Wonder what the metacrap brigade would make of it
10:01:56 <sbp> it might do it some good
10:02:02 <sbp> but some people can't stand it, of course
10:02:31 <sbp> trouble is, I find that the most good work from IRC comes from brainstorming
10:02:36 <Arnia> but they're boring... no one who has been exposed to semantics properly can come out of the experience untainted and sane
10:02:41 <Arnia> Indeed
10:02:59 <Arnia> I love rambling here... if I don't have IRC I talk to myself, which is just a bad sign
10:03:04 <sbp> hehe
10:03:35 <sbp> ironic that it gives you the trappings of sanity
10:04:12 <Arnia> They're just a front
10:04:18 <Arnia> Don't worry, I haven't gone normal
10:04:47 <perigrin> wow ... I'm sorry I missed the #swigak action
10:05:01 <perigrin> #swighack?
10:05:22 <perigrin> #swi(g|hack)?
10:05:33 <perigrin> er #sw(ig|hack)
10:05:40 <sbp> swiggyswaggy
10:05:55 <perigrin> that just puts the aquabats in my head
10:05:58 <sbp> once I remember getting the Swhack logs and interleaving them with the SWIG logs
10:06:04 <sbp> because we'd been discussing stuff on both channels
10:06:13 <sbp> and it made a scary amount of sense when combined
10:06:13 <Arnia> > partition "swighack"
10:06:18 <sbp> I wonder if doing that with today's logs would work...
10:06:26 <swhask> Couldn't match `a -> Bool' against `[Char]'
10:06:35 <perigrin> Monty's RDF foo is the best
10:06:39 <Monty> I'll tweet something for directions is tweeting his fingers after the circumflex
10:07:09 <sbp> FOO us up some RDF, Monty!
10:07:11 <Monty> wonder what would smarten up the library
10:07:22 <sbp> some nice curtain drapes
10:07:24 <Arnia> Monty: Talis!
10:07:28 <Monty> fat Donkey Kong's apples specialises in mega highest luggage...?
10:07:33 <Arnia> Uh, Tails!
10:07:47 <Arnia> Horses, for courses, or cows for now
10:08:41 <sbp> frogs for pogs
10:08:48 <Arnia> I remember pogs
10:08:48 <sbp> actually that would be a cool recycling scheme
10:09:02 <sbp> hand over all your unwanted pogs (should you unwant them), and get frogs in return
10:09:06 * Arnia wins all of sbp's pogs
10:09:10 <sbp> aw man
10:09:10 <perigrin> .monty "I can't"
10:09:11 <Monty> Sunset Bay == city;
10:09:11 <sbp> not again
10:09:24 <Arnia> Monty: Home and Away fan?
10:09:25 <Monty> towels == Paul Daniels;
10:09:27 * perigrin gives sbp the Alf pog
10:09:30 <Arnia> Obviously
10:09:30 <sbp> hehe
10:09:40 <sbp> Steve Allen. INVENTOR OF THE POG
10:10:15 <perigrin> Remember Alf Bart? He's back ... in pog form!
10:10:47 <sbp> heh, heh
10:11:24 <Arnia> aw, someone's come in and asked a sensible question
10:12:07 <perigrin> they do that
10:13:27 <Arnia> The post was very dull
10:13:36 <Arnia> A brochure for holiday cottages in wales
10:16:33 <perigrin> wow y'all really did turn it into #swhack
10:16:39 <sbp> yep, we really did
10:16:43 * perigrin reading logs.
10:18:19 <Arnia> SWIG = SWhack Interest Group
10:21:24 <perigrin> Since I can't find a place for RDF in my professional or amateur life right now #swig got cut
10:21:48 <Arnia> Ahahaha! That sounds like a challenge to me!
10:21:57 <perigrin> I've taken it as one :)
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10:22:53 <perigrin> I've been thinking about some kind of large OLAP database written in triples ... because we do a lot of aggregate data query at $work
10:23:24 <perigrin> and even denormalized RDBMSes are painful
10:23:30 <Arnia> I always read '$' followed by letters as 'string'
10:23:36 <Arnia> Hold over from CPC464 days
10:24:02 <perigrin> Sorry, I think in Perl :)
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10:24:11 <perigrin> I try to restrain myself in here :)
10:25:03 <Arnia> I think in Joeish... which is a particularly hard language to translate or even to reason with
10:25:23 <perigrin> heh
10:25:39 <perigrin> Comes from it being multi-dimensional :)
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10:27:37 <Arnia> and from its in built angst over its own non-meaning
10:29:40 <perigrin> yeah ... 's why I'm happy perl warped my fragile little mind :)
10:33:06 * Arnia timewarps perigrin
10:33:13 <Arnia> It's just a jump to the left...
10:34:03 * perigrin steps to the riiiiight
10:36:31 <Arnia> Put your hands on your hips!
10:37:27 <perigrin> And your knees in tiiiiight
10:37:57 <Arnia> But it's the pelvic thruuuuuuuuussssT
10:38:56 <perigrin> That really drives you insaaane
10:39:07 <Arnia> LETS DO THE MONTY AGAIN!
10:39:09 <Monty> cre8radix: I'll ask people are painful
10:39:41 <cre8radix> monty: you should tell'em
10:39:42 <Monty> SHOULD NOT
10:39:49 <perigrin> Monty, I see you shiver with antici.............pation.
10:39:51 <cre8radix> sissy
10:39:51 <Monty> neuroscience * 10) - it's native
10:39:57 <cre8radix> monty: scared?
10:40:00 <Monty> That's a bar, anywhere at 'im!" -ignatz
10:40:26 <perigrin> Monty, are you tossing 'alf a bricks again?
10:40:27 <Monty> /msg fshcdhvdh
10:40:46 <perigrin> Monty, at fshcdhvdh?
10:40:47 <Monty> when combined
10:40:57 <cre8radix> Monty: yeah?
10:40:57 <Monty> hello
10:41:05 <cre8radix> Monty: pfff
10:41:06 <Monty> O.O
10:41:17 <cre8radix> Monty: you're pretty
10:41:17 <Monty> What makes you think I am pretty ?
10:41:26 * perigrin wonders if they'll get Summer Glau to play Monty in the #swhack Movie
10:41:26 <Monty> ah i kind of Super Mario Bros.
10:41:46 <perigrin> Monty, yeah I kind of Zelda
10:41:48 <Monty> Schumacher's distros delights IRC moles?
10:41:52 <cre8radix> Monty:just imagine
10:41:53 <Monty> Unique among the binary
10:42:14 <cre8radix> Monty: self-centered bots are lovely
10:42:14 <Monty> three times
10:42:23 <cre8radix> Monty: four times
10:42:26 <perigrin> And what I tell you three times is true.
10:42:27 <Monty> http://www.yukihime.com/comics/paremix/mail/wonderfulhouse.jpg
10:43:58 <perigrin> Monty, you seem to be fixated on those comics today
10:44:00 <Monty> ...venison with you. ;)
10:44:15 <perigrin> Monty, dahut would be jelouse
10:44:16 <Monty> That is interesting. Please continue.
10:44:30 <perigrin> Monty, uh ... I can't ... he's right here.
10:44:31 <Monty> "EQUIANGULAR TO"
10:44:46 <Arnia> EQUIANGULAR FROM!
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10:44:58 * Arnia wonders why he's shouting so much
10:45:28 <perigrin> .gc "equiangular to"
10:45:30 <phenny> "equiangular to": 1,280
10:45:41 <perigrin> .gc "equiangular to" -ignatz
10:45:44 <phenny> "equiangular to" -ignatz: 1,290
10:46:38 <Arnia> The magic -ignatz
10:46:52 <Arnia> .gc ephemeral troglodyte
10:46:55 <phenny> ephemeral troglodyte : 24,900
10:47:04 <Arnia> .gc ephemeral troglodyte -ignatz
10:47:07 <phenny> ephemeral troglodyte -ignatz: 24,800
10:47:12 <Arnia> AHA!
10:47:24 <perigrin> .gc "ephemeral troglodyte"
10:47:27 <phenny> "ephemeral troglodyte": 0
10:47:35 <perigrin> .gc "ephemeral troglodyte" -ignatz
10:47:38 <phenny> "ephemeral troglodyte" -ignatz: 0
10:47:58 <Arnia> .gc -ignatz
10:48:01 <phenny> -ignatz: 0
10:48:09 <perigrin> .gc ignatz
10:48:11 <phenny> ignatz: 800,000
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11:16:41 <sbp> .gc 0..9999999
11:16:49 <phenny> 0..9999999: 16,280,000,000
11:16:50 <sbp> .gc 0..9999999 -ignatz
11:16:51 <phenny> 0..9999999 -ignatz: 15,590,000,000
11:16:55 <sbp> aw
11:21:00 <Arnia> select all from [ (var "x", rdf_type, foaf_Person) ]
11:21:13 <Arnia> select ["x", "y"] from [ (var "x", rdf_type, foaf_Person), (var "x", foaf_name, var "y")]
11:35:39 * Arnia blinks
11:36:19 <Arnia> This episode was definitely... odd... they didn't seem to be able to find a balance between comedy and drama: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=b8WwPP9Es-w
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11:38:49 <Arnia> Now where has that mouse got to...
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13:48:04 <jsled> .cp face
13:48:05 <phenny> 1366: ETHIOPIC PREFACE COLON (፦)
13:48:07 <phenny> 222F: SURFACE INTEGRAL (∯)
13:48:07 <phenny> 2639: WHITE FROWNING FACE (☹) [...]
13:48:20 <jsled> .cp white.*face
13:48:20 <phenny> 2639: WHITE FROWNING FACE (☹)
13:48:21 <phenny> 263A: WHITE SMILING FACE (☺)
13:55:56 <perigrin> .char
13:55:58 <phenny> ValueError: no such name (file "/home/sbp/phenny/modules/codepoint.py", line 118, in f_charinfo)
13:56:07 <perigrin> well that's conssitent
13:56:13 <perigrin> .pc
13:56:15 <phenny> F8FF: <Private Use, Last> ()
13:56:38 <Arnia> phenny™
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14:38:36 <procto> феня
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14:43:27 <kpreid> perigrin: Apple uses it for the Apple-logo glyph
14:43:49 <perigrin> kpreid, actually I was trying to test my local phenny
14:43:57 <perigrin> who doesn't seem to like .cp/.pc commands
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15:02:28 <Monty> yo tav!
15:02:32 <Arnia> oh dear... I'm turning into a door-to-door salesman of strange ideas
15:02:45 <Arnia> My supervisor would be so proud :p
15:06:06 <Arnia> Monty: any more comics?
15:06:06 <Monty> Do you feel strongly about discussing such things ?
15:06:16 <Arnia> Monty: not particularly. Do you?
15:06:18 <Monty> Spoiling ballots is it? other software?
15:06:51 <Arnia> Monty: it is extreme laziness to use software to spoil ballots
15:06:55 <Monty> My secret: over-rated septic clips clears up ingrained repulsive TWM!!!
15:07:18 <Arnia> FTW!
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15:29:37 <Monty> yo est!
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15:56:40 <thelsdj> hrm, now what to do with shitrude.com
15:56:43 <phenny> thelsdj: 08:03Z <sbp> tell thelsdj "The term ‘flort’ is simply a shortened form of FLORT, which is an acronym for a much longer and more complex phrase involving entire words. A flort, in essence, is a type of non-available annuity whereby a depositor, or several, makes a predetermined contribution every year with the expectation that they will either get it back or not." - http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2006/11/13/061113sh_shouts?currentPage=2
15:56:57 <sbp> put that horses picture on it, for a start
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16:00:18 <Arnia> est wasn't impressed there
16:00:24 * Arnia cracks out GF
16:00:28 * Arnia cackles
16:00:35 <sbp> he is allergic to horse pictures
16:00:45 <thelsdj> searching my google history is much easier than trying to remember how i found something
16:00:53 <thelsdj> as it will find my misses
16:01:17 <sbp> good point
16:02:01 <thelsdj> shitrude.com updated
16:03:06 <sbp> whoo
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16:03:30 <sbp> .gc latawnya
16:03:33 <phenny> latawnya: 16,900
16:03:51 <sbp> ooh, I see
16:05:55 <sbp> one commenter says: "But what I really want to know is this: how could an animal with hooves work a cigarette lighter?!"
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16:07:05 <sbp> from the person who found the book, in a Jewish library:
16:07:06 <sbp> [[[
16:07:07 <sbp> Also, I should mention that there was another book I managed to take home with me, along with this treasure. However, it's actually written in correct English and is published by a real publisher. Are you ready for it?
16:07:07 <sbp> Choose Your Own Adventure: The Holocaust
16:07:07 <sbp> ]]]
16:07:14 <sbp> - http://wuzzon.blogspot.com/2007/06/latawnya-started-smoking-drugs-and.html
16:08:50 <laplink> .whois shitrude.com
16:09:30 <sbp> http://bridlepath.wordpress.com/2006/09/12/worlds-smallest-horse/
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16:10:54 <sbp> there was a Russian player last night called Zherkov
16:11:05 <sbp> but it's pronounced very roughly as "jerkoff"
16:11:10 <sbp> so the studio was having fun with it
16:11:19 <sbp> well, Ian Wright at least
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16:12:21 <sbp> .compare ooic fooic foobic
16:12:30 <phenny> ooic (11,700), foobic (1,920), fooic (146)
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16:19:35 <thelsdj> I will have a free copy of HL2 and HL2: Ep 1 to give away when Orange Box is released
16:19:53 <thelsdj> well, I payed for it, so not free, but I payed for it twice so of no use to me
16:19:59 <thelsdj> er paid
16:20:08 <thelsdj> i make that error a lot
16:20:23 <thelsdj> .compare paid payed
16:20:26 <phenny> paid (402,000,000), payed (3,880,000)
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16:20:48 <sbp> Orange Box?
16:21:03 <sbp> .wik Orange Box
16:21:06 <phenny> "The Orange Box is a video game compilation created by Valve, which contains Half-Life 2, Half-Life 2: Episode One, Half-Life 2: Episode Two, Portal, and Team Fortress 2." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Orange_Box
16:21:09 <sbp> oh
16:21:26 <thelsdj> i pre-ordered it so i get access to TF2 next week
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16:21:51 <thelsdj> its cheaper to buy orange box than to order ep 2, portal and tf2 separately
16:22:05 <sbp> huh, freaky
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16:24:51 <cre8radix> heya
16:25:32 <sbp> cre
16:25:33 <sbp> 8
16:25:35 <sbp> RADIX
16:25:36 <sbp> hello!
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16:26:34 <sbp> M-o-i-r-a
16:26:44 <sbp> GO MOIRA!
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16:27:22 * sbp fobs and whoofs some (masculine) pom-poms about
16:27:40 <sbp> mainly I just wanted to coin those movement verbs
16:27:59 <sbp> the pom-poms (masculine!) are just a prop in my neologismic activities
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16:29:38 <sbp> M-O-I-R-A
16:29:41 <sbp> Go Moira!
16:30:06 * sbp accompanies it with fobbing and whoofing
16:30:18 <MoiraA> !!!!
16:30:24 <sbp> ah, hello!
16:30:38 <MoiraA> hi
16:30:38 <sbp> I've already been through this once
16:30:53 <sbp> but you missed my fobs and whoofs. I was reasonably upset
16:33:29 <MoiraA> oh I am l
16:33:44 <sbp> pardon?
16:33:47 <MoiraA> *sorry
16:33:52 <sbp> oh. hehe
16:33:56 <sbp> what up?
16:34:23 <MoiraA> not a lot - heard when I go into hospital now
16:34:40 <MoiraA> October 2nd
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16:35:12 <MoiraA> have the operation that day
16:36:30 <sbp> this is to sew bits of your tendon back together, right?
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16:43:05 <sbp> .pc ℜ
16:43:08 <phenny> 211C: BLACK-LETTER CAPITAL R (ℜ)
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16:48:16 <sbp> applenort
16:48:26 <sbp> I need something that makes up random words
16:48:35 <sbp> like uzzniff
16:48:41 <sbp> and pogdomalogian
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16:59:12 <Arnia> Ballahumphrey
17:00:18 <sbp> ooh
17:00:35 <Arnia> Its easy. Just employ me
17:00:49 <Arnia> Or somstage me
17:01:41 <sbp> will you be available 24/7?
17:02:06 <Arnia> Look at my swhacktime graph
17:02:59 <sbp> oh right
17:03:20 <sbp> the gentleman doth sleep too antimuch
17:03:46 <Arnia> I sleep... just for some random 4 hour period
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17:04:24 <sbp> bolophlastic
17:07:31 <dmiles> E doesnt add any classes to antlr or does it?
17:08:16 <dmiles> (saying kpreid name in case the letter E is not on alert list)
17:08:19 <Arnia> Depends how much water you drinnk
17:08:31 <Arnia> (the extra 'n' is important)
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17:13:47 <kpreid> dmiles: depends on what you mean by 'add' ...
17:13:55 <kpreid> there are some classes extending Antlr classes
17:14:00 <dmiles> i just mean into the .java src tree
17:14:08 <kpreid> no idea
17:14:12 <kpreid> I'd expect not
17:15:03 <dmiles> ok i didnt think so .. but just wanted to check.. i just hadnt seen some of the CPP stuff before.. but googling showed its typical in Antlr
17:15:07 <kpreid> wait, it does
17:15:14 <kpreid> e.g. antlr.SwitchingLexer
17:15:18 <kpreid> hrmf
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17:15:49 <kpreid> personally, I'm hoping to move E-on-CL off of using antlr entirely -- don't know what precisely to replace it with yet though
17:16:05 <dmiles> well ussualy when people import like that its becasue they are fixing stuff and dont want bottle neck of getting foriegn packages on board
17:16:45 <dmiles> i am usssing E to help me convert .java to .lisp ;P.. so i'd like that
17:16:51 <kpreid> I don't know the history -- Dean Tribble would probably know more
17:17:03 <kpreid> he's the E-and-parser guy, and I see he wrote SwitchingLexer
17:17:38 <dmiles> E on CL is probly going to run faster than E-on-Java
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17:19:09 <dmiles> well too bad Jlint wasnt opensrc
17:20:15 <dmiles> well at least i think it has a parser of its own but it not generic the way antlr is
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17:20:46 <Monty> hey cre8radix__
17:21:54 <dmiles> sorry i meant linj
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17:24:06 <kpreid> Arnia: http://weblog.raganwald.com/2007/09/we-have-lost-control-of-apparatus.html
17:24:24 <kpreid> oh, asleep
17:24:27 <kpreid> phenny: tell Arnia http://weblog.raganwald.com/2007/09/we-have-lost-control-of-apparatus.html
17:24:30 <phenny> kpreid: I'll pass that on when arnia is around.
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17:26:04 <Arnia> I like the Brazil quote :)
17:26:06 <phenny> Arnia: 17:16Z <kpreid> tell Arnia http://weblog.raganwald.com/2007/09/we-have-lost-control-of-apparatus.html
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18:12:51 <sbp> dumnut__!
18:13:51 <dumnut__> hi
18:14:11 <dumnut__> i was sick, maybe still sick
18:15:37 <dumnut__> brb
18:15:38 <sbp> oh dear, sorry to hear that
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18:16:26 <sbp> wb
18:16:38 <dumnut> thank-you :)
18:17:48 <sbp> well at least you lost the underscores, eh?
18:17:58 <sbp> what's up?
18:18:24 <sbp> phenny: tell Arnia herft
18:18:27 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when arnia is around.
18:20:38 <sbp> ooh, I just made a Top 50 Firefox Extensions list
18:20:45 <sbp> well, Mimulus did
18:21:05 <dumnut> i think i'mgoing to drop out of librarian school and just work on my site http://dumnut.com, no moneybut at least i like the work.
18:21:17 <sbp> hmm!
18:21:26 <sbp> are you really sure about that?
18:21:30 <thelsdj> you know whats #1 on my top 50 firefox extensions?
18:21:39 <sbp> thelsdj: yep
18:21:48 <thelsdj> I don't think you do
18:22:12 <sbp> I will now reveal thelsdj's #1 Firefox extension:
18:22:45 <sbp> Flashblock!
18:23:05 <thelsdj> nope
18:23:08 <sbp> damn
18:23:13 <thelsdj> its a trick question really
18:23:13 <sbp> go on then
18:23:17 <thelsdj> its:
18:23:22 <thelsdj> "Less extensions"
18:23:30 <thelsdj> I used to have a ton installed
18:23:35 <thelsdj> but slows it down really bad
18:23:36 <sbp> nassty tricksy thelsdj
18:23:48 <thelsdj> so minimizing the number is a big goal when picking extensions
18:24:04 <sbp> well, the list that Mimulus was in was "The Top 50 Lightweight Firefox Add-Ons", actually
18:24:11 <sbp> now you come to mention it
18:24:23 <thelsdj> only 9 installed right now
18:24:26 <sbp> Tab Mix Plus used to be good for doing Everything
18:24:29 <sbp> well, it still kinda is
18:25:18 <thelsdj> Adblock, Adblock Filterset.G Updater, Download Embedded, Fasterfox, Google Notebook, Image Zoom, SmoothWheel, Tab Mix Plus, View Source Chart
18:25:41 <sbp> interesting! a few there I should check out
18:26:18 <thelsdj> if i really had to minimize, it would be adblock (and filterset.g), smoothwheel, tab mix plus
18:26:29 <sbp> Firebug, Flashblock, Live HTTP Headers, Stop-or-Reload, Tab Mix Plus, Tabulator, and Update Scanner here
18:26:43 <sbp> oh, and Download Statusbar
18:26:46 <thelsdj> update scanner?
18:26:54 <sbp> yeah, it tracks a page for updates
18:26:57 <thelsdj> stop-or-reload?
18:27:12 <sbp> Stop-or-Reload merges the stop and reload buttons into a single button, à la Safari
18:27:34 <thelsdj> ok cool
18:28:43 <sbp> I used to have Nuke Anything, which I actually kinda miss
18:30:04 <thelsdj> http://www.monkeyfluids.com/2007/09/more-geek-humour-been-reading-xkcd.html
18:30:14 <thelsdj> "The F _always_ stands for Fucking." I like that
18:30:58 <sbp> I love the commments on that
18:31:00 <sbp> "I don't understand. But I think the ones where the girl is fucking the horse are funny."
18:32:18 <thelsdj> http://www.darkhorse.com/zones/wotw/wotw_popup.php?p=
18:34:58 <sbp> hehe. http://www.monkeyfluids.com/2007/08/past-had-it-coming.html
18:37:20 <sbp> .gc loungeballed
18:37:23 <phenny> loungeballed: 0
18:38:12 <sbp> one of these days I'm going to accidentally Googlecount a word from the most slovenly depths of depraved, sick, twisted carnality
18:38:24 <sbp> and people are going to be all, "woah, I didn't know sbp was like that! point and stare"
18:38:53 <sbp> but of course the only ones who think that will be the real sick, twisted perverted carnal bastardfuckers from beyond the planet vibrotron
18:39:04 <sbp> so I guess it all works out fine
18:42:03 <sbp> s/the only/only the/
18:43:28 <sbp> 23rd September, 09:51Z - autumnal equinox!
18:45:41 <sbp> Monty: remind me in 51230 seconds to IT'S THE AUTUMNAL EQUINOX!
18:45:41 <Monty> Example of correct usage: "Remind me in 15 minutes to check the oven." I understand all combinations of days, hours and minutes.
18:45:48 <sbp> oh you assbunt
18:46:16 * Arnia herfts to the left
18:46:19 <phenny> Arnia: 18:10Z <sbp> tell Arnia herft
18:46:35 <sbp> Monty: remind me in 853 minutes to IT'S THE AUTUMNAL EQUINOX!
18:46:36 <Monty> sbp: Okay, I'll remind you about that on Fri Sep 14 09:51:33 BST 2007
18:46:41 <sbp> win
18:46:51 <sbp> wait, not win. 14th? DAMN YOU
18:47:08 <sbp> thought that sounded a bit small
18:47:15 <sbp> Arnia: hehe. you remember!
18:47:45 <Arnia> sbp: of course I remember! It was a sign we found in St Mary's
18:47:47 <sbp> Monty: remind me in 853 minutes to ER ACTUALLY IT'S NOT, YET. SORRY
18:47:48 <Monty> sbp: Okay, I'll remind you about that on Fri Sep 14 09:52:45 BST 2007
18:47:54 <sbp> right. I found the mention in the logs
18:48:06 * Arnia sighs
18:48:14 <Arnia> Chris is now in the army, scarily
18:48:22 <Arnia> We've all grown up
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18:48:44 <Arnia> Well, when I say 'grown up' what I mean is 'gotten older'. We still act up when we get together
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18:49:25 <Monty> bah, it's xover_ again
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18:50:35 <sbp> Monty: remind me in 13809 minutes to IT'S THE AUTUMNAL EQUINOX!
18:50:36 <Monty> sbp: Okay, I'll remind you about that on Sun Sep 23 09:51:33 BST 2007
18:50:40 <sbp> WIN!
18:50:46 <sbp> ...
18:50:49 <sbp> BST?!
18:50:52 <sbp> ARPGKAROKGARGKJAprkgarplg
18:51:00 <sbp> {!:%!{LT{EGL;'a.dga.b ... ·]
18:51:29 <sbp> Monty: remind me in 13868 minutes to IT'S THE AUTUMNAL EQUINOX! REALLY THIS TIME!
18:51:30 <Monty> sbp: Okay, I'll remind you about that on Sun Sep 23 10:51:28 BST 2007
18:52:17 <sbp> Monty: remind me in 13809 minutes to WELL, NEARLY. IN AN HOUR
18:52:18 <Monty> sbp: Okay, I'll remind you about that on Sun Sep 23 09:53:16 BST 2007
18:52:26 <sbp> there. wonderful
18:53:24 <sbp> you know, an ephemerides bot would be kinda neat
18:53:31 <sbp> put in lots of weird interesting dates
18:53:34 <sbp> OPPOSITION OF MARS
18:54:40 <sbp> .gc tickfuck
18:54:43 <phenny> tickfuck: 2
18:54:53 <sbp> ooh, I just thought of an awesome timing algorithm
18:54:59 <sbp> I must make a sketch
18:57:15 <thelsdj> RITSHUD
18:57:44 <sbp> or, in Welsh, ritshwd
18:58:14 <Arnia> Depends on the quality of the 'r'
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18:58:28 <Arnia> thelsdj: do you roll your 'r's?
18:58:34 <sbp> and the i vowel isn't quite right
18:58:52 * Arnia sends the ritshwd for welsh repairs
18:58:52 <thelsdj> no
18:59:14 <Arnia> It's still under warranty, no?
18:59:38 <thelsdj> I roll with my 'r's though
18:59:49 <Arnia> sbp: Give me your thoughts on ontology documentation tools
18:59:52 <sbp> rang, dang, finkelbang
19:00:07 <sbp> er, that was my thoughts on this algorithm
19:00:21 <sbp> of ontology documentation tools... I know nothing. unless you mean along the lines of Schemadoc
19:00:33 <sbp> this algorithm doesn't work because it's basically a fix
19:00:40 <sbp> and the thing that I thought I was fixing isn't broken
19:00:41 * Arnia is going to build his first test of Trinity later
19:00:53 <sbp> old = time.clock()
19:00:53 <sbp> for i in xrange(50):
19:00:53 <sbp> new = time.clock()
19:00:53 <sbp> print target, n, new - old
19:00:53 <sbp> n += (new - old)
19:00:54 <sbp> time.sleep(n)
19:00:58 <sbp> old = new
19:01:04 <sbp> basically I thought time.sleep(...) was somewhat inaccurate
19:01:13 <sbp> so this was a self-fixing one
19:01:22 <sbp> but it turns out that it's pretty accurate
19:02:44 <sbp> er wait, no it doesn't. something is very fucked up there...
19:04:01 <Arnia> I want to make ontology documentation more engaging
19:04:34 <sbp> to the reader or the creator?
19:06:56 <sbp> ...
19:07:03 <sbp> okay, time.clock() is busted on OS X
19:07:05 <sbp> good to know
19:08:06 <sbp> >>> time.clock(), time.time()
19:08:06 <sbp> (0.050000000000000003, 1189709962.371825)
19:08:06 <sbp> >>> time.clock(), time.time()
19:08:06 <sbp> (0.050000000000000003, 1189709963.363785)
19:08:06 <sbp> >>> time.clock(), time.time()
19:08:08 <sbp> (0.050000000000000003, 1189709964.379962)
19:09:14 <sbp> weird. on bia:
19:09:15 <sbp> >>> time.clock(), time.time()
19:09:15 <sbp> (0.02, 1189710045.772789)
19:09:15 <sbp> >>> time.clock(), time.time()
19:09:15 <sbp> (0.02, 1189710046.661948)
19:09:17 <sbp> >>> time.clock(), time.time()
19:09:19 <sbp> (0.02, 1189710047.6610689)
19:09:50 <sbp> processorz: you suck
19:10:02 <bancus> what is time.clock() supposed to do?
19:10:17 <sbp> it's meant to "return the current processor time"
19:10:19 <bancus> 0.089999999999999997
19:10:26 <bancus> that's what I get in my OS X
19:10:45 <sbp> I remember on cygwin I used to get stuff like 1353151.315 or something, I think
19:10:51 <bancus> I get 0.0 on my Debian box.
19:10:53 <sbp> that kind of magnitude. it made some kind of sense at least
19:11:03 <bancus> I think it's just generally broken.
19:11:17 <bancus> 'clock() -> floating point number\n\nReturn the CPU time or real time since the start of the process or since\nthe first call to clock(). This has as much precision as the system\nrecords.'
19:12:17 <bancus> what's interesting is that it never changes
19:13:43 <sbp> aye
19:13:48 <sbp> okay, this works pretty well:
19:13:48 <sbp> [[[
19:13:49 <sbp> target, n = 0.0515, 0.0515
19:13:49 <sbp> old = time.time()
19:13:49 <sbp> time.sleep(n)
19:13:49 <sbp> for i in xrange(50):
19:13:51 <sbp> new = time.time()
19:13:53 <sbp> actual = new - old
19:13:55 <sbp> difference = target - actual
19:13:57 <sbp> print target, n, difference
19:13:59 <sbp> n += difference
19:14:01 <sbp> time.sleep(n)
19:14:03 <sbp> old = new
19:14:05 <sbp> ]]]
19:14:17 <sbp> look how quickly it settles:
19:14:19 <sbp> $ ./counter.py
19:14:21 <sbp> 0.0515 0.0515 -0.000155054092407
19:14:23 <sbp> 0.0515 0.0513449459076 -0.000189863204956
19:14:25 <sbp> 0.0515 0.0511550827026 0.000139869689941
19:14:29 <sbp> 0.0515 0.0512949523926 -0.000145994186401
19:14:31 <sbp> 0.0515 0.0511489582062 0.000146068572998
19:14:33 <sbp> 0.0515 0.0512950267792 7.3112487793e-05
19:15:23 <sbp> further example:
19:15:24 <sbp> $ ./counter.py
19:15:24 <sbp> 3.51515 3.51515 -0.000131915664673
19:15:24 <sbp> 3.51515 3.51501808434 -0.000140975570678
19:15:24 <sbp> 3.51515 3.51487710876 6.28723144533e-05
19:15:24 <sbp> 3.51515 3.51493998108 7.08236694358e-06
19:15:37 <sbp> still, the initial error is not huge
19:15:50 <sbp> all it's really doing is giving a couple of decimal places of precision more
19:17:43 <sbp> could be useful, however, if you were doing some operation in the loop
19:22:42 <bancus> I wonder if ReactOS is far enough along that Coherence would work with it.
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19:30:25 <Monty> hi l7, how ya doing?
19:30:27 <phenny> Monty: shh, don't let anyone know you're around!
19:30:28 <Monty> Huh
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19:49:17 <sbp> Arnia? around?
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20:04:50 <DrBacchus> thpppppt
20:10:49 <sbp> TAKE THAT BACK
20:14:44 * perigrin takes it back.
20:14:49 * perigrin runs off with it.
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20:30:25 <Monty> yo MoiraA_!
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21:12:45 <phenny> bjoern_: Hit and Myth: Poll Shows 1 in 3 Americans Still Believe Saddam Involved in 9/11
21:12:59 <thelsdj> .title http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6993373.stm
21:13:02 <phenny> thelsdj: BBC NEWS | Technology | Google backs private Moon landing
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21:13:37 <bjoern_> they want to outsource the server farms?
21:15:52 <thelsdj> it would be bothersom to cool the servers when they are under direct sunlight
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21:17:06 <bjoern_> So there is direct sunlight on the dark side of the moon?
21:17:41 <bancus> sometimes
21:17:51 <bancus> depending on whether you mean the Dark Side of the Moon.
21:18:03 <bancus> or just the dark side of the moon, which would be the side not in the light
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21:24:35 <thelsdj> well my point is
21:24:46 <thelsdj> any side of the moon will get light at someponit
21:26:26 <bancus> Perhaps suspect the servers in some sort of liquid that would help even out the temperature curve.
21:26:33 <bancus> take it longer to heat up and longer to cool down
21:26:37 <bancus> suspend
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22:20:00 <procto> put the servers on crawler treads
22:20:09 <procto> and have it be near the pole
22:20:17 <procto> sun? crawl a bit to get out of it
22:20:20 <procto> on the other hand
22:20:33 <procto> you'll want to have your power generator on the sunny side
22:20:41 <procto> and at the poles the distance is fairly short :>
22:27:11 <thelsdj> train tracks
22:27:26 <thelsdj> and build a train that loops all the way around
22:27:36 <thelsdj> servers on one part, solar panels on the other
22:27:40 <thelsdj> and it can continually rotate
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22:50:42 <procto> yeah
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