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01:14:09 <Arnia> Ah, this has made me feel better: http://www.phdcomics.com/comics.php?f=914
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01:19:20 <perigrin> hehe
01:19:37 <Arnia> hoho
01:19:39 <Arnia> haha
01:19:49 <Arnia> They're coming to take me away!
01:23:24 * perigrin hides his white coat
01:24:51 <Arnia> There was a Ginster's advert in the early 90s which used that as the backing track
01:25:15 <Arnia> It seemed to involve a giant pork pie rolling down a lane if I remember correctly
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01:34:24 <Arnia> perigrin: had an awesome idea for a Gilliam villain tonight
01:34:32 <Arnia> The Man Made of Pens
01:35:10 <Arnia> Can you imagine someone able to edit your 27b/6 with his bare hands?
01:38:52 <Arnia> Who here wants some scottish tablet
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02:42:46 <Monty> But what does anandology have to do with the price of fish?
02:42:48 <phenny> Hush there, Monty.
02:42:53 <Monty> Tell Me, Momma; and looked at all like, without it, universities might prefer it every night?
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02:49:29 <Arnia> Monty: Sleeping with universities is bad for the soul
02:49:35 <Monty> Chatty lot of office supplies was finance minister and silver plate, hair powder and asking fans for $350m ! .
02:49:48 <Arnia> Monty: expensive fans there then
02:49:51 <Monty> I reckon knots + rust = Bill Gates's spokes >:)
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03:19:28 <jetscreamer> or really really big ones ....
03:20:16 <jetscreamer> http://mclark.hfds.com/images/really_big_fan_with_man.jpg
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03:25:37 <Monty> welcome, darobin
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03:44:52 <thelsdj> .cp postal
03:44:55 <phenny> 3012: POSTAL MARK (〒)
03:44:57 <phenny> 3020: POSTAL MARK FACE (〠)
03:45:01 <phenny> 3036: CIRCLED POSTAL MARK (〶) [...]
03:45:18 <thelsdj> .cp khomut
03:45:21 <phenny> 0E5B: THAI CHARACTER KHOMUT (๛)
03:46:01 <thelsdj> .pc 2368
03:46:03 <phenny> 0032: DIGIT TWO (2)
03:46:07 <phenny> 0033: DIGIT THREE (3)
03:46:10 <phenny> 0036: DIGIT SIX (6)
03:46:12 <thelsdj> .cp 2368
03:46:14 <phenny> 2368: APL FUNCTIONAL SYMBOL TILDE DIAERESIS (⍨)
03:46:17 <phenny> 28A6: BRAILLE PATTERN DOTS-2368 (⢦)
03:46:20 <phenny> 28A7: BRAILLE PATTERN DOTS-12368 (⢧) [...]
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03:48:44 <thelsdj> .pc ✌
03:48:44 <phenny> 270C: VICTORY HAND (✌)
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06:28:13 <thelsdj> ooh, only 2.5 hours till the apple event
06:28:19 <thelsdj> .time BST
06:28:21 <phenny> Tue, 18 Sep 2007 07:20:17 BST
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06:55:46 <Monty> howdy, l7_
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07:07:19 <l7> hi Monty
07:07:29 <Monty> yes, and of Dell, Lenovo, Toshiba, HP, Acer, and other American, and install gtk and get back :) I could have demonstrated in early xmas present day i've finalised the first?
07:08:10 <l7> what about Dell, Lenovo, Toshiba, HP, Acer, and other American?
07:08:14 <l7> does it include apple?
07:08:43 <bjoern_> Monty won't say.
07:08:44 <Monty> interrogative
07:09:25 <l7> hum
07:09:27 <l7> very mysterious
07:40:22 <sbp> suddenly: supercandy
07:40:25 <phenny> sbp: 00:41Z <Morbus> tell sbp i have solved the first two flats in the september issue now.
07:41:19 <xover_> .gc supercandy
07:41:21 <thelsdj> guess i'm not going to stay up for the apple event
07:41:21 <phenny> supercandy: 691
07:41:27 <thelsdj> night all
07:41:32 <xover_> There's an Apple event?
07:41:36 <sbp> 'night thelsdj!
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07:41:42 <sbp> yeah, in London I think
07:41:47 <xover> NOOO!
07:41:48 <sbp> probably UK iPhone
07:41:50 <xover> You can't go to bed!
07:41:58 <sbp> my thought exactly
07:42:02 <xover> Don't just dangle Apple events and then go haring off to bed!
07:42:17 <sbp> APPLE DANGLER
07:42:17 <xover> `s not fair!
07:42:49 <sbp> [[[
07:42:49 <sbp> Apple's 'Mum is no longer the word' media event kicks off at 10am London time September 18th. Forum user netdog has posted some photos of the Regent Street store from yesterday which show everything shrouded in large black curtains with a sign that reads:
07:42:50 <sbp> Due to a private event the store will be closed on Tuesday, 18th September until 4:00pm.
07:42:58 <sbp> ]]] - http://www.macrumors.com/2007/09/17/apples-london-media-event-at-regent-street/
07:43:03 <sbp> hey, Jobs is over here
07:43:04 <xover> So what are we expecting? iPhone in .uk?
07:43:07 <sbp> yeah
07:43:26 <sbp> and something to do with Starbucks
07:43:59 <sbp> my prediction:
07:44:01 <perigrin> Starbucks branded iPhone
07:44:12 <xover> So prolly completely without interest for us over in .no; who still can't buy TV series or movies form the iStore even.
07:44:13 <sbp> Apple condoms that *flouresce* when you enter (ho ho) a Starbucks
07:44:27 <sbp> right
07:44:36 <xover> Fucking Apple!
07:44:48 <xover> CrackApple!
07:44:59 <xover> Give me my fix damn you!
07:45:07 <perigrin> Crapple ... er wait no my iPod fixed itself ... I'm not upset with them anymore ...
07:45:15 <xover> heh heh
07:46:57 <bjoern_> ,gc iTards
07:46:59 <JibbyBot> iTards: 27,000
07:47:31 <perigrin> .gc iTardis
07:47:33 <phenny> iTardis: 92
07:47:37 <perigrin> .gc iTardis -ignatz
07:47:39 <phenny> iTardis -ignatz: 101
07:47:42 <perigrin> heh
07:47:48 <perigrin> it's back!
07:47:59 <sbp> ahaha, Reznor++
07:48:02 <sbp> bjoern_!
07:48:05 <sbp> .title http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/07/09/17/1948238.shtml
07:48:08 <phenny> sbp: Slashdot | Trent Reznor Says "Steal My Music"
07:50:31 <sbp> hehe. this is marked way down on bash, but I think it's quite funny:
07:50:31 <sbp> [[[
07:50:32 <sbp> 22:32 < Sprinky> I need convincing to use FreeBSD :) Anyone up to a long
07:50:33 <sbp> discussion?
07:50:35 <sbp> 22:32 < jlott_> Sprinky: shut up faggot
07:50:36 <sbp> 22:32 -!- mode/#freebsd [+b *!*Bialik@*.dsl.bell.ca] by Murex
07:50:39 <sbp> 22:32 -!- Sprinky was kicked from #freebsd by Murex [Sprinky]
07:50:42 <sbp> 22:32 <@Murex> sorted
07:50:46 <sbp> 22:32 < jlott_> i hope we convinced him
07:50:48 <sbp> ]]]
07:50:51 <sbp> I'm not going to mark it up though
07:50:52 <sbp> coz it's probably marked down because everyone hates FreeBSD
07:55:45 <perigrin> sbp, 's not freebsd they hate ... it's tcsh
07:56:13 * xover sues Trent Reznor for contributory copyright nfringement…
07:56:37 * xover also sues Trent Reznor for contributory copyright enfridgement…
07:56:40 <sbp> phlogmbominoes
07:56:45 <xover> .gc enfridgement
07:56:47 <phenny> enfridgement: 24
07:56:56 <perigrin> .gc refridgement
07:56:58 <phenny> refridgement: 34
07:57:08 <perigrin> .gc selfridgement
07:57:12 <phenny> selfridgement: 0
07:57:20 <perigrin> .gc selfridgement -ignatz
07:57:22 <xover> .gc reeferidgement
07:57:22 <phenny> selfridgement -ignatz: 0
07:57:25 <phenny> reeferidgement: 0
07:57:27 <sbp> so is engadget.com going to cover the UK iPhone or what?
07:58:00 <sbp> how can we enjoy being vexed at Apple if we don't know what's going on at the event?
07:58:05 <Arnia> UK iPhone on O2
07:58:13 * Arnia is vexed enough at that
07:59:04 <sbp> yo Arnia!
07:59:10 <xover> .t GMT
07:59:13 <phenny> Tue, 18 Sep 2007 07:51:08 GMT
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07:59:21 <Arnia> Hey sbp
07:59:23 <xover> .t BST
07:59:23 <phenny> Tue, 18 Sep 2007 08:51:21 BST
07:59:43 <sbp> title of the day...
07:59:45 <sbp> .title http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/6999335.stm
07:59:47 <phenny> sbp: BBC NEWS | Health | Female smokers 'risk spotty face'
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08:00:20 <perigrin> that's what y'all need on the packs "RISK SPOTTY FACE" rather than "SMOKING KILLS"
08:01:16 <perigrin> I have to say British smokers are more hardcore than US ones ... we have a (comparably) tiny little warning that sorta blends in saying "Smoking may possibly cause a slight chance of death" ... you get right to it "YOU WILL BURN IN HELL HLAGHHLAGHHLAG"
08:01:48 <xover> Those warnings have always been ridiculous.
08:01:55 <danja> Canadian ones are the best I've seen - pictures of rotten lungs etc
08:01:59 <xover> But they're starting to figure this shit out.
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08:02:41 * danja now chews 20 nicorette a day, btw
08:02:52 <sbp> .title http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJ5iHaV0dP4
08:02:53 <phenny> sbp: YouTube - Nine Inch Nails - Trent Dialogue / TDTWWA (Live: Sydney)
08:02:55 <xover> “May cause cancer.” Yeah, so fucking what?
08:03:09 <xover> “Chance of emphysema.” Who rutting cares?
08:03:30 <danja> right, but HA HA SPOTTY FACE!
08:03:41 <xover> “Smoking will make your dick shrink and your balls fall off.” AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH! I'm quitting right now! Please! Don't shrink my balls!
08:03:46 <sbp> http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.engadget.com/media/2007/09/jobs_uk.jpg
08:04:25 <sbp> 'Steve Jobs, AKA El-Jobso, AKA the Jobs-man, AKA Jobbers is in London as we speak, undoubtedly standing in front of a full length mirror and practicing saying, "Oh, one more thing," with a fake British accent.' - http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/17/steve-jobs-arrives-in-london-jeans-turtleneck-and-new-balance/
08:04:39 <danja> xover, thanks - I was wondering why that'd happened...
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08:05:39 <danja> .gc big jobs
08:05:40 <phenny> big jobs: 582,000,000
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08:05:44 <Monty> hi xororand`
08:05:47 <xover> sbp: macrumors indicates they will be providing some kind of coverage.
08:06:05 <sbp> do they? I thought they just say they'll be linking to live coverage?
08:06:15 <sbp> but that it's too early in the US and they can't be bothered to get out of bed
08:06:34 <xover> [[[
08:06:36 <xover> The event kicks off at 10AM London time (5am Eastern/2am Pacific). Due to the early hour, MacRumors will not be providing SMS coverage. Links to live coverage will be posted closer to the event time.
08:06:37 <xover> ]]]
08:06:41 <sbp> there you go
08:06:57 <xover> Reparse.
08:08:29 <xover> Wow. I ordered the Apple keyboard/mouse (both wired and wireless versions) at the end of August. I fiured they were just kidding when they estimated shipping in October.
08:08:36 <sbp> I think they mean links to other people's content
08:08:43 <sbp> because otherwise they wouldn't use the plural
08:08:51 <sbp> and due to the early hour still indicates they're lazy fuckers to me
08:08:58 <xover> Guess they weren't.
08:09:01 <sbp> second best title of the day:
08:09:07 <sbp> .title http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/lancashire/6999470.stm
08:09:08 <phenny> sbp: BBC NEWS | England | Lancashire | Woman tries to hide iguana in bra
08:09:48 <sbp> then again, someone must be getting up to post the links
08:10:32 <sbp> hehe. the second image's caption in http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/5355692.stm is funny
08:10:58 * bjoern_ notes the date
08:11:03 <sbp> phenny: tell patbam http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/5360502.stm
08:11:04 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when patbam is around.
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08:11:15 <sbp> yeah, I'm going through all the Brazil news because I'm nuts
08:11:18 <sbp> and because patbam's there
08:12:32 <bjoern_> So Goo^W Mozilla got rid of Thunderbird.
08:12:57 <danja> "She was stopped and after a security guard found the iguana peeking out of her bra, she admitted it was hers."
08:13:05 <danja> what's she gonna say?
08:13:23 <bjoern_> "You saw Alien"?
08:13:25 <perigrin> "What iguana?"
08:13:40 <danja> "he takes after his father"
08:15:16 <perigrin> "Ads in Brazil are often more daring than in other countries ... they tend to enjoy skydiving and other extreme sports."
08:15:56 <sbp> hehe. you people
08:16:35 <bjoern_> .weather EDFM
08:16:38 <phenny> EDFM at 9:50 (07:50Z): Scattered, 13℃, 1013mb, Moderate breeze 22km/h (12kt) (↑)
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08:18:10 <Arnia> It is freezing here
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08:19:44 <Arnia> '101 Evil Spy Gadgets' followed by '5 Steps for Geeks to get Laid - ebook'... good grief, who writes this crap?
08:20:03 <sbp> ahahahahaha:
08:20:04 <sbp> [[[
08:20:05 <sbp> Officials in China emptied a reservoir after residents complained a monster was lurking in its depths.
08:20:06 <sbp> Locals claimed they heard 'Moo' sounds coming from the water at night, reports the Western China City Daily.
08:20:06 <sbp> Hongxian township government instructed the Yongfu Hydropower plant to empty its reservoir even though it had only been open for two months.
08:20:13 <sbp> ]]] - http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_2503577.html?menu
08:21:01 <sbp> this one is also pretty good:
08:21:05 <sbp> http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_2504860.html?menu=
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08:21:17 <bjoern_> <Team_B> OMG THE MONSTER CAN MAKE ITSELF INVISBLE
08:21:37 <sbp> or turn itself into pebbles
08:21:43 <darobin> .title http://www.flicklife.com/d2421038a1325a46c562/Lifted_Pixar.html
08:21:43 <Arnia> !? -- 'A Guide to Better Horse Laying'
08:21:43 <swhask> Maybe you meant: . v
08:21:46 <phenny> darobin: Lifted - Pixar
08:22:22 <sbp> .g "A Guide to Better Horse Laying"
08:22:25 <phenny> sbp: http://torrents.sumotorrent.com/details_517553.html
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08:26:10 <darobin> "I thought I heard a 'MOO' sound coming from your beer"
08:26:16 <sbp> okio, engadget.com promising live coverage soon now
08:28:23 <sbp> .weather EGLL
08:28:27 <phenny> EGLL at 8:50 (07:50Z): Clear ☼, 9℃, 1023mb, Gentle breeze 7kt (↑)
08:28:40 <sbp> it is indeed a coolness in our vicinity
08:29:46 <bjoern_> Britain cooling down as Jobs visits...
08:30:32 <Arnia> 'All Flesh Must be Eaten Core Rules pdf'
08:33:10 <sbp> .weather EGLL
08:33:13 <phenny> 9℃, Clear ☼, 1023mb, Gentle breeze 7kt (↑) - EGLL (8:50, 0750Z)
08:34:21 <sbp> .weather EGLL
08:34:24 <phenny> Clear ☼, 10℃, 1023mb, Gentle breeze 7kt (↑) - EGLL 9:20, 0820Z
08:34:35 <sbp> a little better, I think
08:35:07 <sbp> thoughts?
08:38:08 <sbp> RIGHT IT'S STAYING THEN
08:39:01 * Arnia uses an electric blanket to warm Durham up a bit
08:39:06 <Arnia> I need to turn the heating on
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08:42:23 <Monty> hi nwalsh
08:42:37 <perigrin> .weather kmsp
08:42:39 <phenny> Overcast ☁, 77.0℉ (25℃), 29.73in (1003mb), Moderate breeze 15kt (↑) - KMSP 2:53, 0753Z
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08:53:09 <sbp> http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/18/live-from-apples-mum-is-no-longer-the-word-event-in-london/
08:53:28 <sbp> heh, interesting
08:55:16 <sbp> "But which network will it be on, how much will it cost and will it be 3G? (O2, £250, no - in my humble opinion)." - http://stuff.tv/blogs/live/archive/2007/09/18/live-from-the-iphone-uk-launch-2.aspx
08:56:20 <sbp> as usual, engadget has by far the best coverage
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09:02:38 <bjoern_> http://lolthulhu.com/
09:03:08 <sbp> "Music is barely audible over the buzz of the crowd... could be a mariachi band could be U2."
09:03:26 <Arnia> I'd prefer the former
09:04:16 <sbp> what about if Bono formed a mariachi band?
09:04:21 <sbp> (which seems quite likely)
09:04:46 <sbp> http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.engadget.com/media/2007/09/dsc_0030-000.jpg
09:04:48 <Arnia> Ah, I have a scary image now
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09:10:19 <xover> .gc "black shirted Apple mafia"
09:10:21 <phenny> "black shirted Apple mafia": 0
09:10:36 <sbp> BSAM
09:10:41 <xover> No updates for the last 10 minutes?
09:10:45 <sbp> nope...
09:10:53 <xover> Fucking Engadget!
09:11:07 <perigrin> dahut, blame engadget
09:11:11 <dahut> perigrin: Right engadget is gonna have to Die. Where did mst put that chainsaw...
09:11:13 <sbp> dahutt!
09:11:13 <dahut> sbp: Are you free?
09:11:18 <sbp> I'm freee!
09:11:48 <sbp> I saw a picture in the paper the other day of John Inman measuring some lady's bust
09:11:57 <xover> «Play “Free Bird”!»
09:12:03 <sbp> heh, heh
09:12:08 * sbp is playing Crosstown Traffic
09:12:24 <xover> A cow-orker plays bass for a just formed local band.
09:12:29 <darobin> oooh, music! I knew I was missing something
09:12:47 <perigrin> darobin, keep on rocking in the Free World
09:12:59 <sbp> 10:00 am Ewdison Then: We are hearing KT Tunstall music
09:13:00 <sbp> 10:04 am Vincent Nguyen: I wonder if she's going to be performing live at this event?
09:13:02 <xover> They had their third gig at our little lets-get-shitfaced-and-bitch-about-the-boss shindig last week.
09:13:06 <sbp> - http://live.slashgear.com/
09:13:13 <sbp> hehe
09:13:17 <xover> Obviously pretty damn nervous.
09:13:36 <xover> So I took the opportunity to yell “Free Bird” at them.
09:13:40 <sbp> '10:04 - Here we go... and that was fast, the iPhone has been announced for the UK! "We picked the best one, the most poplular carrier, it's O2."'
09:13:40 <xover> Poor bastards.
09:13:44 <sbp> ehheh
09:14:06 <sbp> so what are they going to waffle about for the next hour or so?
09:14:11 <sbp> Starbucks?
09:14:42 <sbp> £269
09:14:45 <perigrin> £269 including vat
09:15:09 <sbp> .calc 269 GBP in USD
09:15:09 <xover> .calc 269 GBP in NOK
09:15:11 <phenny> 269 British pounds = 542.2502 U.S. dollars
09:15:13 <phenny> 269 British pounds = 3 061.65773 Norwegian kroner
09:15:22 <sbp> as usual we get an assshit deal
09:15:25 <darobin> .calc 269 GBP in EUR
09:15:26 <phenny> 269 British pounds = 390.923654 Euros
09:15:32 <perigrin> sbp, note we don't have VAT ... but yes.
09:15:42 <sbp> 9th November up for sale
09:15:52 <darobin> well the USD is scarily low
09:15:58 <sbp> well take 17.5% off of it... still huge
09:16:08 <xover> .calc 399 USD in GBP
09:16:10 <phenny> 399 U.S. dollars = 197.936303 British pounds
09:16:17 <darobin> yeah
09:16:26 <darobin> being screwed over as usual
09:16:28 <Arnia> .calc 269 - 17.5%
09:16:30 <phenny> 269 - (17.5%) = 268.82500
09:16:37 <xover> What's your VAT these days?
09:16:38 <darobin> I guess someone has to pay for the US economy
09:16:38 <Arnia> ...
09:16:39 <sbp> .calc (100 - 17.5)% of 542.2502
09:16:41 <phenny> (100 - 17.5)% of 542.2502 = 447.356415
09:17:02 <perigrin> .calc 447.35 GBP in USD
09:17:05 <phenny> 447.35 British pounds = 901.76813 U.S. dollars
09:17:07 <cre8radix> sbp: sorry for being so late... ;P
09:17:21 <cre8radix> so many things came knocking
09:17:28 * sbp wonders at "10:04 am Vincent Nguyen: I'm pretty sure Apple would get a UK native to perform though" a bit
09:17:38 <sbp> cre8radix: no problem
09:17:39 <sbp> as long as it is awesome
09:17:41 <perigrin> .calc 447.35 USD in GBP
09:17:42 <phenny> 447.35 U.S. dollars = 221.921818 British pounds
09:17:46 <perigrin> right
09:17:47 <cre8radix> you bet!
09:17:47 <Arnia> Hm... it isn't going to fly very well I don't think
09:18:01 <sbp> Arnia: I dunno, I mean, it's quite light and streamlined
09:18:07 <Arnia> I note that being made to pay for a mobile phone on contract is unpopular
09:18:07 <sbp> stiff too, which is what you want from a fuselage
09:18:11 * Arnia hits sbp
09:18:14 <sbp> :-)
09:18:41 <sbp> "... aaaand they're the same ads as the US, just with British voiceover. Rad."
09:18:43 <cre8radix> .calc 1 E in USD
09:18:46 <phenny> cre8radix: Sorry, no result.
09:18:48 <sbp> I love engadget's coverage
09:19:01 <xover> .calc 198 * 1.175
09:19:04 <phenny> 198 * 1.17500 = 232.65
09:19:12 <cre8radix> .calc 1 Euro in USD
09:19:14 <phenny> 1 Euro = 1.3871 U.S. dollars
09:19:20 <sbp> it's EUR
09:19:28 <cre8radix> ah
09:19:31 <xover> .calc 269 - 233
09:19:34 <phenny> 269 - 233 = 36
09:19:35 <perigrin> .calc 1 TAB of E in USD
09:19:38 <phenny> perigrin: Sorry, no result.
09:19:40 <cre8radix> .calc 1 EUR in USD
09:19:42 <phenny> 1 Euro = 1.3871 U.S. dollars
09:19:43 <Arnia> .calc 1 GNP in USD
09:19:45 <phenny> Arnia: Sorry, no result.
09:19:46 <xover> .calc 36 GBP in NOK
09:19:49 <phenny> 36 British pounds = 409.738581 Norwegian kroner
09:19:57 <sbp> O2 CEO up on stage...
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09:20:07 <xover> Jim!
09:20:09 <Arnia> Who is the O2 MD atm?
09:20:10 <xover> Jibber!
09:20:17 <xover> JimJibber!
09:20:23 <xover> JibberJim!
09:20:27 <xover> JJ!
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09:20:49 <perigrin> xover, can't be ... Jibber would have to be on stage
09:21:08 <perigrin> Arnia, Matthew Key
09:21:13 <sbp> Arnia: dunno. Wikipedia doesn't seem to say
09:21:16 <sbp> he's the CEO
09:21:20 <perigrin> oh
09:21:33 <sbp> Wikipedia lists the Chairman...
09:21:38 <Arnia> Since when have UK companies had CEOs?
09:21:53 <xover> Since Blair took it up the ass from Bush?
09:21:59 <sbp> most probably
09:22:07 * Arnia shudders
09:22:57 <xover> That's funny. Closet Homophoic that I am, it frightens me less to take a big fat cock up the ass than the thought of seing Bush naked.
09:23:03 <sbp> "Unlimited data with £35, 45, 55 plans -- no worry tarrif on EDGE and GPRS. Hmmm, no 3G -- big surprise."
09:23:19 <sbp> you think Bush has a big fat cock?
09:23:23 <sbp> I never pictured that, oddly
09:23:26 <Arnia> bugger
09:23:34 * Arnia hits xover
09:23:38 <xover> Fuck. Now you've put the image in my mind!
09:23:39 * Arnia hits ON xover
09:23:40 <xover> Asshole!
09:23:46 * xover winks at Arnia...
09:23:50 <sbp> hehe
09:24:18 * xover paints tits on Arnia's back…
09:24:30 <sbp> alright, time to find out what 3G is I suppose
09:24:33 * Arnia runs away
09:24:37 <xover> heh heh
09:24:41 <perigrin> sbp, Third Generation ...
09:24:42 <sbp> ah, it's 2G's replacement. interesting!
09:24:48 <Arnia> sbp: GSM 2
09:24:55 <sbp> ooh, improved spectral efficiency
09:24:57 <bjoern_> .wik 3G
09:25:00 <phenny> "3G is the third generation of mobile phone standards and technology, after 2G." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3G
09:25:54 <sbp> well one dude I read this morning predicted no 3G
09:26:01 <Arnia> Didn't even know O2 had an EDGE network
09:26:08 <sbp> what! "People want to see the iPhone more than they ask me for Led Zeppelin tickets."
09:26:10 <xover> This Just In: iPhone More Popular Than Zep!
09:26:13 <xover> heh heh
09:26:34 <xover> «Play “Love Shack!”»
09:26:36 <perigrin> Steve is building a stariway to heaven.
09:26:56 <sbp> love shack, bebbeh love shack, love shack, lalalala, how does this song go, love shack bay-ay-beeee
09:27:27 <sbp> 'Steve gets back on stage for Q&A. We ask: Why not 3G networks?'
09:27:43 <sbp> battery power, essentially, is his excuse
09:27:44 <perigrin> battery life ...pfft
09:28:29 <xover> But Bluetooth and WiFi aren't battery hogs?
09:29:03 <sbp> they are, but Bluetooth and WiFi make you want to touch yourself
09:29:18 <perigrin> They don't have to transmit quite as far as cell radios
09:29:20 <sbp> 3G just makes you want to trounce Presterville at Rugby League
09:29:35 <bjoern_> [citation needed]
09:30:16 <sbp> 7000 wifi hotspots. I wonder if there's a map of them?
09:30:33 <sbp> hmm, or 7500
09:30:49 <sbp> [[[
09:30:49 <sbp> 10:21 - Q: Is the same deal with Starbucks coming here? [Here being the UK, obviously.]
09:30:49 <sbp> Steve: "You'll have to ask Starbucks about that. They love the UK." Smiles.
09:30:51 <xover> You have Starbucks in .uk?
09:30:51 <sbp> ]]]
09:30:54 <sbp> yes...
09:31:04 * xover fucks sbp's quote dealy in the ass...
09:31:11 * sbp has even been in a couple...
09:31:19 <perigrin> xover, more like they have a UK between starbucks
09:31:53 <perigrin> I was a 20 minute walk from downtown edinburgh and I passed two on the way in
09:32:00 <sbp> sigh
09:32:19 <perigrin> with another four quickly reachable from the office
09:32:50 <sbp> BRAND OVERSATURATION
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09:33:09 <sbp> best question so far:
09:33:09 <sbp> "Q: What's the purple icon we saw?"
09:34:16 <xover> «1,400 internet pages per day would break the deal as part of fair usage agreement»
09:34:22 <xover> The what now?
09:34:29 <sbp> what!
09:34:31 <sbp> yeah
09:34:37 <sbp> was just about to paste that. the fuck
09:34:49 <bjoern_> What is an internet page?
09:35:16 <xover> Engadget adds: “Wait, what?”
09:37:19 <sbp> heh, The Cat or The Mouse?
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09:38:08 <perigrin> .gc "02 Mouse"
09:38:08 <phenny> "02 Mouse": 918
09:38:13 <perigrin> .gc "O2 Mouse"
09:38:14 <phenny> "O2 Mouse": 34,000
09:38:22 <perigrin> .gc "O2 Cat"
09:38:23 <phenny> "O2 Cat": 881
09:38:28 <sbp> COMPARE
09:38:43 <perigrin> sorry feeding a child too ...
09:38:48 <sbp> NO YOU ARE NOT
09:39:03 <sbp> alright maybe I will concede that you are
09:39:12 <perigrin> your right at this point I'm just keeping his dummy in
09:39:22 <perigrin> but still typing one handed
09:39:29 <sbp> I'm just edgy in case my broadband provider has a 1,400 internet page limit
09:39:41 <sbp> if these lines count as internet pages, I'm screwed
09:39:52 <perigrin> What about refreshing the same page 1400 times?
09:40:01 <sbp> probably that counts
09:40:16 <xover> Yeah, that's a great move O2. Invest in EDGE rather then UMTS! Fucking brilliant move!
09:40:20 <xover> ISDN anyone?
09:40:34 <sbp> ISDN... wow, I remember that acronym from the 90s!
09:40:42 <xover> .wik ISDN
09:40:45 <phenny> "Integrated Services Digital Network (ISDN) is a circuit-switched telephone network system, designed to allow digital transmission of voice and data over ordinary telephone copper wires, resulting in better quality and higher data speeds than are available with analog [...]" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISDN
09:41:20 <perigrin> .compare "Apple the Mouse" "Apple the Cat"
09:41:22 <phenny> "Apple the Mouse" (4,580), "Apple the Cat" (1,050)
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09:41:44 <sbp> :-)
09:42:21 <bjoern_> phenny, de "veraeppeln"?
09:42:30 <phenny> bjoern_: "veraeppeln" (de)
09:42:37 *** sbp changed the topic to: ""The iPod touch is training wheels for the iPhone." - Steve Jobs"
09:42:52 <xover> Ok, when is someone going to ask: What about the rest of Europe?
09:43:09 <sbp> when did someone ask that at the US launch?
09:43:11 <sbp> never, wasn't it?
09:43:18 <perigrin> "We said we'd be in a few countries in Europe and we still plan to do that. As to the carriers, we took the approach to see who would be the best fit -- it's like going out on a few dates before getting married. So yeah, we have a few upset girlfriends out there."
09:43:34 <xover> Well, the UK kinda sorta pretends to be vaguely affiliated with Europe.
09:43:48 <sbp> ...wow, that was an actual quote. heh
09:43:50 <bjoern_> It's not Real Europe, that's for sure.
09:43:53 <perigrin> eu member and whatnot
09:44:04 <xover> That's just for show.
09:44:08 <bjoern_> .title http://slashdot.org/articles/07/09/18/0429250.shtml
09:44:11 <phenny> bjoern_: Slashdot | New York Times Ends Its Paid Subscription Service
09:44:20 * sbp waggles his mighty pound at you all
09:44:45 <xover> * sbp waggles his mighty poundage at you all
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09:45:14 <perigrin> Yeah I'm sure the Pound's relative strength against everything-under-the-sun is doing wonders for the "Common Currency" folks.
09:45:32 <xover> .calc 1 GBP in NOK
09:45:34 <phenny> 1 British pound = 11.3816272 Norwegian kroner
09:45:47 <xover> About where it's always been IIRC.
09:45:58 <bjoern_> "The move is an acknowledgment by The Times that making Web site visitors pay for content would not bring in as much money as making it available for free and supporting it with advertising."
09:46:01 <xover> .calc 1 USD in NOK
09:46:04 <phenny> 1 U.S. dollar = 5.64620857 Norwegian kroner
09:46:14 <xover> Shit, but that's quite bad.
09:46:21 <xover> .calc 1 EUR in NOK
09:46:24 <phenny> 1 Euro = 7.83185591 Norwegian kroner
09:46:26 <perigrin> for you or us?
09:47:03 <xover> For the US, they've been hovering somewhere between 6 and 7 the last few years.
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09:47:35 <perigrin> yeah ... I think soon we'll be moving to the Yen cause of it's better valuation
09:47:45 <sbp> chuckle, "Q: Why not one single European carrier if O2 is such a good fit?" is a great question
09:47:45 * perigrin sighs
09:47:45 <xover> Pity Apple.no doesn't adjust prices based on exchange rates.
09:47:59 <Arnia> "Seriously, many europeans are jealous that Microsoft's Income is equal to the GDP of all EU (15, pre-expansion) countries minus Germany. I live in Europe, I see this jealousy all the time. " -- http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/17/eu-ruling-on-microsoft-antitrust-appeal-bad-news-for-microsoft/comments/7621325/
09:48:15 * sbp utterly jealous
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09:48:54 <perigrin> keeps you up at night don't it?
09:49:03 <Arnia> "I believe Europe's GDP, excluding Germany, is about 10,000,000 million USD or 10,000 billion USD.
09:49:05 <Arnia> Do you really believe Microsoft earns more than 10,000 billion USD per year?"
09:49:15 * xover is waiting for the ¥€$
09:49:19 <sbp> every night we have to spit at posters of Bill Gates
09:49:27 <perigrin> "Any assurance you won't slash the price by 1/3rd?" hehe
09:50:08 <xover> Won't? How about “Any chance you'll slash the price by on third?”
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09:50:11 <Monty> But what does karamba3851 have to do with the price of fish?
09:50:11 <sbp> bjoern_: claimed the other day that MS make $40m/day
09:50:13 <phenny> Hush there, Monty.
09:50:13 <Monty> bah
09:50:16 <sbp> .calc 40 million * 365.25
09:50:20 <phenny> 40 million * 365.25 = fourteen billion six hundred ten million
09:50:57 <sbp> Swhack concludes that Europe canes MS
09:51:07 <xover> The GDP of .eu is $14,518 billion.
09:51:31 <xover> So MSFT is short by three zeroes.
09:52:02 <xover> But it would be interesting to see that converted to per capita numbers.
09:52:11 <sbp> '"No, the camera is great. More megapixels don't make a better camera, the iPhone is actually a great camera especially, with great lighting." Ok, sure, but isn't every camera a great camera if the subject is well lit?'
09:52:30 <sbp> what's the per capita of MS?
09:52:38 <sbp> its employees, or its customers?
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09:52:55 <sbp> shareholders?
09:53:07 <xover> .calc 14610000000 / 79000
09:53:09 <phenny> 14 610 000 000 / 79 000 = 184 936.709
09:53:21 <sbp> put another way: if Microsoft were a country, who would be its citizens?
09:53:57 <perigrin> figure sales == exports
09:53:58 <Arnia> Its shareholders
09:54:06 <Arnia> Surely?
09:54:08 <perigrin> I'd say shareholders + employees
09:54:21 <xover> So for GDP per capita: EU $28,476 / MSFT $184,936
09:54:33 <perigrin> employees being the 'working class' while shareholders the oligarchy that leads them.
09:54:49 <xover> .calc 184936 / 28476
09:54:51 <phenny> 184 936 / 28 476 = 6.49445147
09:55:02 <perigrin> I believe MSFT is going to rename the employees to "Prols"
09:55:21 <perigrin> and have weekly riots staged
09:55:32 <bjoern_> .gc "Proletariat 2.0"
09:55:35 <phenny> "Proletariat 2.0": 0
09:56:01 <Arnia> @bjoern_++
09:56:05 * perigrin can't remember which book that was from ... wants to think 1984 but that doesn't seem right
09:57:36 <bjoern_> Looking at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28nominal%29 we are about the drop down to #4
09:57:38 <l7> http://www.lolthulhu.com/ is brilliant
09:58:09 <xover> .title http://shop.o2.co.uk/promo/iphone
09:58:24 <l7> ++ to whoever posted that
09:58:40 * bjoern_ did
09:58:52 <phenny> xover: O2
09:58:54 <l7> it's brilliant!
09:58:58 <bjoern_> hehe
09:59:01 * l7 can has iphone?
09:59:20 <l7> is there lolphone yet?
09:59:28 <xover> .gc lolphone
09:59:30 <phenny> lolphone: 265
09:59:32 <xover> .g lolphone
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09:59:34 <phenny> xover: http://www.flickr.com/photos/donutgirl/904290881/
10:00:29 <l7> meh
10:00:29 * xover is still looking for details on that 1400 / fair use dealy...
10:00:34 <l7> is not iphone :\
10:00:56 <l7> http://lolphone.ytmnd.com/
10:02:14 <l7> http://loliphone.com/
10:02:54 <xover> perigrin: Microserfs?
10:02:56 <xover> .wik Microserfs
10:02:59 <phenny> "Microserfs, published by HarperCollins in 1995, is a novel by Douglas Coupland." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microserfs
10:03:30 <l7> microserfs brings to mind http://lolthulhu.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/arwedda-ur_sanity.png
10:03:49 <xover> Wow, I guess O2 has never launched an slashdottable product before.
10:04:01 <perigrin> xover, yes in a previous incarnation ... but as the MSFT sociopolitical structure evolved they moved into a oligarchy/proletariate 2.0 structure
10:05:25 <xover> sbp: MSFT's employees would be its citizens, the rest of the world merely vassal states.
10:05:38 <sbp> aha
10:05:40 <xover> (aka. “Customers”)
10:07:16 <xover> The shareholders are probably most like an impotent Senate.
10:08:12 <xover> Hmm. <http://shop.o2.co.uk/promo/iphonetariffs> just notes that “Fair usage policy applies” but doesn't link it.
10:08:25 <xover> .g O2 "fair usage policy"
10:08:27 <phenny> xover: http://news.zdnet.co.uk/communications/0,1000000085,39276997,00.htm
10:09:17 <sbp> .g O2 FUP
10:09:17 <phenny> sbp: http://www.cz.o2.com/o2internetadsl/en/faq/index.html
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10:10:45 <xover> .title http://news.zdnet.co.uk/communications/0,1000000085,39276997,00.htm
10:10:54 <phenny> xover: What happens if you breach mobile data 'fair usage'? - ZDNet UK
10:11:08 <xover> So 1GB/month according to that.
10:11:46 <xover> But given the iPhone keeps polling for mail and has that Visual Voicemail stuff, and loads of other data hungry apps…
10:13:21 <sbp> it'll keep on pollin' even if you're on holiday
10:14:09 <bjoern_> if you turned the phone off...
10:17:49 <xororand> hey Monty
10:17:52 <Monty> I reckon sphincter + mumbo-jumbo = panties >:)
10:21:13 <sbp> http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.engadget.com/media/2007/09/dsc_0089.jpg
10:21:17 <sbp> - Steve points to the purple icon
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10:27:56 <xover> .title http://www.gameledge.com/2007/09/17/another-nutbag-gamer-dies-from-being-stupid/
10:28:00 <phenny> xover: GameLedge » Another nutbag gamer dies from being stupid
10:28:35 <bjoern_> Good idea to use .title there.
10:29:00 <sbp> otherwise we would've missed the guillemet!
10:29:22 <sbp> and might've been under the delusion that GameLedge is spelled Gameledge
10:29:33 <xover> Hey, the TAG saith URLs are opaque!
10:29:59 <sbp> Monty: are URLs opaque?
10:30:02 <Monty> and might've been under the guillemet!
10:30:03 <xover> .gc "TAg made me do it"
10:30:06 <phenny> "TAg made me do it": 1
10:30:14 <xover> .g "TAG made me do it"
10:30:16 <phenny> xover: http://kribbie1.deviantart.com/
10:30:30 <xover> Well, something deviant in any case.
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10:30:50 <xover> NOOOOOOO!
10:30:52 <sbp> talking of deviants...
10:31:11 <xover> @karma supybot
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10:31:59 <sbp> ˘˘
10:32:15 <bsh> .pc ˘˘
10:32:18 <phenny> 02D8: BREVE (˘)
10:32:22 <phenny> 02D8: BREVE (˘)
10:32:28 <sbp> bſƕ
10:32:34 <bsh> Apparently, this is going to fail:
10:32:36 <Arnia> Some people think URIs are more than names
10:32:36 <bsh>
10:32:38 * Arnia blehs
10:32:51 <sbp> I see a box with a weird hand like thing in it
10:32:52 <sbp> .pc
10:32:55 <phenny> E007F: CANCEL TAG
10:33:09 <Arnia> I wonder how well a phone which costs £269 even on contract will actually do
10:33:14 <bsh> Sweet. Opera renders it as two characters...
10:33:19 <sbp> ŋȝ⁊
10:33:59 <sbp> ṟ
10:34:07 <Arnia> Huȝ
10:34:15 <sbp> ẖṟḻḵ
10:34:30 <sbp> ḏṉḇ
10:34:35 <Arnia> Huȝ parleémont
10:35:04 <bsh> ❝ ⓄⓂⒼ ❞
10:35:21 <sbp> ¡#¢§ˆ´¨¶¯⁄™‹›†̂́•˙̄ƨɛƽƅ⁊ȣ-=ʹ
10:35:25 <sbp> .pc ʹ
10:35:28 <phenny> 02B9: MODIFIER LETTER PRIME (ʹ)
10:35:31 <Arnia> ʊ!
10:35:38 <sbp> ʊ
10:35:48 <sbp> ʌ
10:36:09 <bsh> ❣
10:36:16 <sbp> ʒ
10:36:16 <sbp> ȝʒ
10:36:35 <sbp> ❝ⓄⓂⒼ❣❞
10:36:42 <bsh> hehe
10:36:49 <Arnia> ƕʊȝ
10:36:58 <sbp> ƕûƕû
10:37:26 <sbp> Ŷ€$? №? …
10:37:49 <Arnia> þlǝɯ
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10:38:13 <sbp> ʼ̄•̦”
10:38:47 <bsh> ➔➙➛➜➝➞➟➠➡➢➣➤➧➨➩➪➫➬➭➮➯➱➲➳➵➸➺➻➼➽➾ ʼ̄•̦”
10:38:54 <sbp> woah. hehe
10:39:32 <Arnia> What combines with: ,
10:40:02 <sbp> ྸ²༭ઘ۠ęబՉர
10:40:13 <bsh> ↺↻
10:40:15 <sbp> Arnia: not sure. a lot of these combiners confuse me on this layout
10:40:32 <bsh> .pc ,
10:40:34 <phenny> 002C: COMMA (,)
10:40:39 <bsh> nothing?
10:40:45 <sbp> ѱਲ਼ңல൫ಹӊʱʼnᅫஓ§ૐིūʺƻহѧᆅଈ౫ʼ¹ྞ͓य़
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10:40:49 <Arnia> bsh: it is a combiner here
10:40:54 <Arnia> Option-p
10:41:00 <Arnia> (on the Welsh layout)
10:41:02 <sbp> ൫ßѱ
10:41:16 <sbp> ,q,w,e,rț!
10:41:17 <sbp> t!
10:41:20 <bsh> .pc ∎
10:41:21 <sbp> Opt+p t
10:41:23 <phenny> 220E: END OF PROOF (∎)
10:41:47 <sbp> and ș
10:42:08 <sbp> and that's it
10:42:20 <Arnia> © 2007 sbp
10:42:38 <bsh> © 2007 ≶൫⍴
10:42:41 <Arnia> Ouch, I just asserted sbp's copyright over the logs
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10:44:00 <sbp> Ӷ ҔႣӎͧ ຕοпڼy ϿҥΚƉ
10:44:11 <sbp> .pc ӎͧ
10:44:13 <phenny> 04CE: CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER EM WITH TAIL (ӎ)
10:44:16 <phenny> 0367: COMBINING LATIN SMALL LETTER U (◌ͧ)
10:44:22 <Arnia> ɵ
10:44:38 <Arnia> ɵẖ
10:45:08 <sbp> .pc Ҩ
10:45:08 <phenny> 04A8: CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER ABKHASIAN HA (Ҩ)
10:45:14 <sbp> that's a great letter
10:45:34 <sbp> Ҩ◌ͧຕ
10:45:46 <bsh> .cp rtag
10:45:46 <phenny> 0F13: TIBETAN MARK CARET -DZUD RTAGS ME LONG CAN (༓)
10:45:48 <phenny> 0F15: TIBETAN LOGOTYPE SIGN CHAD RTAGS (༕)
10:45:49 <phenny> 0F16: TIBETAN LOGOTYPE SIGN LHAG RTAGS (༖) [...]
10:46:51 <sbp> φڅಆఈ˲ூϡઍຢछਕۅ௸પনཨпྤਿആึ
10:47:25 *** sbp changed the topic to: ""The iPod touch is training wheels for the iPhone." - Steve Jobs || ϡઍຢछਕۅ௸પনཨпྤਿആึ❣❣❣"
10:47:47 <sbp> .pc ಆ
10:47:50 <phenny> 0C86: KANNADA LETTER AA (ಆ)
10:47:56 <Arnia> about to lose internet for a bit
10:48:02 <sbp> looks like a fancy ampersand
10:48:05 <Arnia> They're checking the electrics
10:48:06 <sbp> Arnia: nooOoo!
10:48:33 * Arnia waves
10:48:38 <sbp> c'ya!
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10:49:42 <sbp> ಊઢਉఢఅŶ֔ଳᅏஐցᆒᄗ࿉Ⴊ৴చກვ!ӀఝڰҲഊඨ֭ѲୈಏƵՙअაӵȈҪ
10:49:54 <bsh> I disagree with that.
10:50:06 <sbp> .pc ಊᅏಏ
10:50:08 <phenny> 0C8A: KANNADA LETTER UU (ಊ)
10:50:11 <phenny> 114F: HANGUL CHOSEONG CHITUEUMSSANGCIEUC (ᅏ)
10:50:14 <phenny> 0C8F: KANNADA LETTER EE (ಏ)
10:50:24 <sbp> CHITUEUMSSANGCIEUC!
10:50:40 <sbp> KANNADA is pretty cool
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10:51:03 <bsh> .cp ^0DDD
10:51:05 <phenny> 0DDD: SINHALA VOWEL SIGN KOMBUVA HAA DIGA AELA-PILLA (ෝ)
10:51:18 <sbp> .pc ກვఝ
10:51:21 <phenny> 0E81: LAO LETTER KO (ກ)
10:51:24 <phenny> 10D5: GEORGIAN LETTER VIN (ვ)
10:51:27 <phenny> 0C1D: TELUGU LETTER JHA (ఝ)
10:53:05 <sbp> someone should register U+02BC U+0304 U+2022 U+0326 U+201D .com
10:53:11 <bsh> .wik iceman
10:53:13 <phenny> "Ötzi the Iceman, the oldest known mummy, from about 3300 BC, found in 1991" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iceman
10:54:16 <sbp> .pc Ѳୈ
10:54:16 <phenny> 0472: CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER FITA (Ѳ)
10:54:18 <phenny> 0B48: ORIYA VOWEL SIGN AI (ୈ)
10:55:09 <sbp> can't delete one without deleting the other. it combines and then overhangs the next char
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10:56:47 <sbp> छੴ*̚ۊž֮௸ໄᅯᅢᅭᅳڪ
10:57:02 <sbp> .pc ௸ໄᅯᅢᅭᅳڪ
10:57:05 <phenny> 0BF8: TAMIL AS ABOVE SIGN (௸)
10:57:08 <phenny> 0EC4: LAO VOWEL SIGN AI (ໄ)
10:57:11 <phenny> 116F: HANGUL JUNGSEONG WEO (ᅯ)
10:57:20 <sbp> ௸௸௸௸௸௸௸௸௸௸௸௸௸௸௸௸௸௸௸௸௸௸௸௸௸௸௸
10:57:29 <sbp> ໄໄໄໄໄໄໄໄໄໄໄໄໄໄໄໄໄໄໄໄໄໄໄໄໄໄໄໄໄໄໄໄໄໄໄໄໄໄໄໄໄໄໄໄໄໄໄໄໄໄໄໄ
10:57:59 <bsh> ੦੧੨੩੪੫੬੭੮੯
10:58:38 <bsh> a ≟ b
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10:59:44 <sbp> ܝୌ౫ະиŐ̃ВಈҏĖຄ೨
10:59:55 <sbp> .pc Ő̃
10:59:58 <phenny> 0150: LATIN CAPITAL LETTER O WITH DOUBLE ACUTE (Ő)
10:59:58 <bjoern_> NO, YOU !
11:00:02 <phenny> 0303: COMBINING TILDE (◌̃)
11:00:21 <sbp> .pc ౫ະ
11:00:24 <phenny> 0C6B: TELUGU DIGIT FIVE (౫)
11:00:26 <phenny> 0EB0: LAO VOWEL SIGN A (ະ)
11:00:27 <sbp> I wanna test out a supercombiner
11:00:35 <sbp> last time it made X-Chat Aqua crash
11:02:04 * bjoern_ wonders whether that renders Unicode a hacker tool
11:02:23 <sbp> ù̖̗̘́̂̇̉̊
11:02:36 <sbp> seems okay with that one
11:02:45 <sbp> the last time it was tried on a much bigger one though
11:05:07 <sbp> ừ̴̵̶̷̸̡̢̧̨̖̗̘̙̜̝̞̟̠̣̤̥̦̩̪̫̬̭̮̯̰̱̲̳̹̺̻̼͇͈͉͍͎́̂̃̄̅̆̇̈̉̊̋̌̍̎̏̐̑̒̓̔̽̾̿̀́͂̓̈́͆͊͋͌̕̚ͅ͏͓͔͕͖͙͚͐͑͒͗͛ͣ͘͜͟͢͝͞͠͡
11:05:09 <sbp> ahahaha
11:05:13 <sbp> okay, that's awesome
11:05:28 <sbp> I'll have to type a few more lines so it can fit all the bottom modifiers
11:05:30 <sbp> ...
11:05:31 <sbp> ...
11:05:32 <sbp> ...
11:05:32 <sbp> ...
11:05:33 <sbp> ...
11:05:38 <sbp> ...
11:05:42 <sbp> ...
11:05:42 <sbp> ...
11:05:42 <sbp> there we go
11:05:49 <bjoern_> ...
11:05:55 <sbp> hang on, screenshotting
11:08:21 <sbp> bjoern_: http://inamidst.com/stuff/images/modifiers
11:08:37 <bjoern_> sbp: http://www.bjoernsworld.de/temp/swhackunicodeshotted.png
11:09:00 <sbp> aww
11:09:01 <sbp> you get horizontal mojibake, I get vertical unicode
11:09:30 <bjoern_> Need client with both.
11:09:50 <sbp> yeah, that'd be nice
11:10:21 <sbp> incidentally, I did:
11:10:26 <sbp> >>> s = 'u'
11:10:27 <sbp> >>> for i in xrange(1, 3000):
11:10:27 <sbp> ... if unicodedata.category(unichr(i)) == 'Mn':
11:10:27 <sbp> ... s += unichr(i)
11:10:27 <sbp> ... if len(s) > 100: break
11:10:27 <sbp> ...
11:10:41 <sbp> and X-Chat Aqua copes with it just fine
11:11:08 <sbp> no crashiness or slowness like last time
11:13:22 <sbp> ờ̴̵̶̷̸̡̢̧̨̖̗̘̙̜̝̞̟̠̣̤̥̦̩̪̫̬̭̮̯̰̱̲̳̹̺̻̼͇͈͉͍͎́̂̃̄̅̆̇̈̉̊̋̌̍̎̏̐̑̒̓̔̽̾̿̀́͂̓̈́͆͊͋͌̕̚ͅ͏ְֱֲֳִֵֶַָׇֹֻּֽֿׁׂًٌٍَُِّْٰܑ͓͔͕͖͙͚֑֖֛֢֣֤֥֦֧֪ׅٕٖٜۣ۪ۭܱܴܷܸܹܻܼܾ݂֚֭֮͐͑͒͗͛ͣͤͥͦͧͨͩͪͫͬͭͮͯ҃҄҅҆֒֓֔֕֗֘֙֜֝֞֟֠֡֨֩֫֬֯ׄؐؑؒؓؔؕٓٔٗ٘ٙٚٛٝٞۖۗۘۙۚۛۜ۟۠ۡۢۤۧۨ۫۬ܰܲܳܵܶܺܽܿ݀݁݃͘͜͟͢͝͞͠͡
11:13:22 <sbp> ݄݆݈݅݇݉݊ަާިީުޫެޭޮޯްँं़ुूृॄॅॆेै्॒॑॓॔ॢॣঁ়ুূৃৄ্ৢৣਁਂ਼ੁੂੇੈੋੌ੍ੰੱઁં઼ુૂૃૄૅેૈ્ૢૣଁ଼ିୁୂୃ୍ୖஂீ்ాిీెేైొోౌ಼్ౕౖಿೆೌ್ുൂൃ്්ිීුූัิีึืฺุู็่้๊๋์ํ๎ັິີຶືຸູົຼ່້໊໋໌ໍཱཱཱིིུུ༹༘༙༵༷ྲྀཷླྀཹེཻོཽཾ྄ཱྀྀྂྃ
11:13:23 <sbp> ྆྇ྐྑྒྒྷྔྕྖྗྙྚྛྜྜྷྞྟྠྡྡྷྣྤྥྦྦྷྨྩྪྫྫྷྭྮྯྰྱྲླྴྵྶྷྸྐྵྺྻྼ࿆ိီုူဲံ့္ၘၙ፟
11:13:51 <sbp> that's with maximum length 1000. I presume the line got chopped if it came anywhere near the limit
11:13:52 <bjoern_> Are we playing hide and seek in a Unicodejungle?
11:14:03 <sbp> hmm, interesting. I can't see any lines below that paste
11:14:06 <sbp> including my own
11:14:14 <bjoern_> YOU CANT SEE THIS LOL
11:14:16 <sbp> the lines above do move up when someone types though
11:14:22 <sbp> as someone has done twice so far now
11:14:29 <sbp> ah! there we go, I see stuff again
11:14:32 <bjoern_> [ALL SORTS OF SHITRUDE STUFF]
11:14:34 <bjoern_> damn!
11:14:39 <sbp> oh, weird, and now it all just snapped back into view
11:14:49 <sbp> ooh, it depends where I put the cursor
11:15:31 <sbp> again though, apart from that weirdness the client is fine
11:16:27 <xover> Hmm. Gmail using platform native forms controls instead of JS links now it seems.
11:16:46 <xover> I wonder if that's a result of the blog post on styling form controls a while back?
11:16:54 <sbp> bah, Firefox doesn't combine them at all properly
11:19:38 <sbp> aha! that did it. totally crashed X-Chat Aqua
11:19:46 <sbp> I copied a line from Firefox, and deleted through it really quickly
11:20:02 <sbp> <XCA> Um... I'm going to have to think about that.
11:20:04 <sbp> <XCA> Actually, I think I need a holiday.
11:20:06 <sbp> * XCA quits
11:23:51 <perigrin> the matrix is breaking down in here
11:24:01 <sbp> OMG WHAT?
11:25:07 <sbp> .compare cunctatables cunctateables
11:25:11 <phenny> cunctateables (0), cunctatables (0)
11:25:27 <sbp> .gc shitrude
11:25:29 <phenny> shitrude: 5
11:26:37 <sbp> .head http://www.bjoernsworld.de/temp/swhackunicodeshotted.png Content-Length
11:26:40 <phenny> Content-Length: 11451
11:26:54 <bjoern_> ITS SMALLER THAN YOURS
11:27:41 <sbp> .head http://inamidst.com/stuff/images/modifiers Content-Length
11:27:45 <phenny> Content-Length: 11879
11:27:50 <sbp> mine uses anti-aliased text though!
11:28:01 <bjoern_> mine has more text!
11:29:20 <sbp> yours is way larger than it could be, anyway
11:29:54 <sbp> .head http://e.photos.cx/b03-062.png Content-Length
11:29:57 <phenny> Content-Length: 9334
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11:43:37 <sbp> .gc "Chinese hacker tool"
11:43:40 <phenny> "Chinese hacker tool": 0
11:43:57 <bjoern_> .gc "German hacker tool"
11:44:00 <phenny> "German hacker tool": 426
11:44:32 <sbp> Germa > Chine
11:44:54 <bjoern_> w3l33t
11:45:22 <sbp> .g weleet.com
11:45:25 <phenny> weleet.com: sorry, no results were found.
11:46:23 <bjoern_> OMG ROTATING <|_|83 http://scene.org/news.php?answer=0&voted=1
11:46:46 <sbp> .wik "Phong"-shading
11:46:48 <phenny> "Phong Bui (born September 17, 1964, in Hue, Vietnam) is the co-founder and publisher of The Brooklyn Rail." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phong_Bui
11:47:02 <bjoern_> .wik Phong shading
11:47:03 <phenny> "Phong shading is an interpolation method in 3D computer graphics, using interpolation of surface normals in rasterizing polygons, to get better resolution of specular reflections such as those generated by the Phong reflection model." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phong_shading
11:48:45 <sbp> .title http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=32112
11:48:53 <phenny> sbp: pouet.net :: super cow mega demo by Byterapers
11:49:40 <bjoern_> vid plz
11:49:46 <sbp> dnt hav sry
11:49:58 <bjoern_> o no3z
11:52:29 <sbp> .gc "I'll punch you in the penis you son of a bitch"
11:52:30 <phenny> "I'll punch you in the penis you son of a bitch": 1
11:53:06 <bjoern_> Monty, Don't ever think of insulting my Halo skills, b/c as I recall there was always more of a "frustrated ruckus"
11:53:08 <Monty> "German hacker tool": 0
11:53:20 <sbp> ooh, diss!
11:53:30 <bjoern_> Monty now working for german law enforcement?
11:53:32 <Monty> ... s = 'u'
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12:03:41 <Monty> Speak of the devil, it's kpreid!
12:05:00 <kpreid> Speak of the <redacted>, it's Monty!
12:05:02 <Monty> bsh: it all just to find out what's going on elike
12:07:18 <kpreid> "௸" looks like someone's signature accidentally got into Unicode.
12:10:46 <bjoern_> ooh, http://www.azillionmonkeys.com/windoze/OpenGLvsDirect3D.html first time I see /that/ logo
12:11:44 <sbp> Bill Gates supports the Toilet Museum?
12:11:58 <sbp> Yours faithfully,
12:11:59 <sbp> ௸
12:12:02 <sbp> Monty, bot
12:12:03 <bjoern_> [not for use] [not for use] [not for use] [not for use] ...
12:12:04 <Monty> YOU CANT SEE THIS LOL
12:12:22 <perigrin> sbp, do you have any clue what you're doing to my XChat?
12:12:31 <sbp> sry lol!!
12:12:32 <bjoern_> he does.
12:12:59 <sbp> and yeah, because I'm doing it to mine too
12:17:04 <xover> .wik FMH
12:17:07 <phenny> "The Kleihauer-Betke ('KB') test, Kleihauer-Betke ('KB') stain or Kleihauer test, is a blood test used to measure the amount of fetal hemoglobin transferred from a fetus to an Rh-negative mother's bloodstream.[1]| The results of the test are used to determine the [...]" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kleihauer-Betke_test
12:17:21 <xover> @acronym FMH
12:17:22 <supybot> xover: Error: You must have a free Acronym Finder license key in order to use this command. You can get one at <http://www.acronymfinder.com/dontknowyet/>. Once you have one, you can set it with the command "config supybot.plugins.Acronym.licenseKey <key>".
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12:18:23 <xover> .gc "Fuck me harder"
12:18:27 <phenny> "Fuck me harder": 88,900
12:20:24 <bjoern_> .gc "Fuck me softer"
12:20:27 <phenny> "Fuck me softer": 3
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12:20:33 <Monty> Thank goodness, anandology is back!
12:20:35 <phenny> Be quiet, Monty.
12:20:36 <Monty> ahahaha
12:20:43 <xover> .gc "Fuck HIM harder"
12:20:45 <phenny> "Fuck HIM harder": 10,600
12:20:51 <xover> .gc "Fuck HER harder"
12:20:54 <phenny> "Fuck HER harder": 21,700
12:21:00 <xover> .gc "Fuck them harder"
12:21:00 <bjoern_> .gc "Fuck HER more softly"
12:21:02 <phenny> "Fuck them harder": 2,160
12:21:05 <phenny> "Fuck HER more softly": 0
12:21:06 <xover> .gc "Fuck it harder"
12:21:08 <phenny> "Fuck it harder": 1,900
12:21:20 <bjoern_> .gc "Fuck YOU harder"
12:21:23 <phenny> "Fuck YOU harder": 9,650
12:21:29 <xover> .gc "Fuck bjoern harder"
12:21:33 <phenny> "Fuck bjoern harder": 0
12:21:37 <xover> meh
12:21:41 <xover> .gc Fuck bjoern harder
12:21:41 <phenny> Fuck bjoern harder: 130,000
12:21:48 <bjoern_> .gc fuck xover
12:21:48 <phenny> fuck xover: 47,000
12:22:13 <xover> .calc 130000 - 47000
12:22:13 <phenny> 130 000 - 47 000 = 83 000
12:22:30 <xover> So. 83k more people want to fuck bjoern_ harder.
12:23:19 <perigrin> .gc "fuck bjoern_ harder"
12:23:19 <phenny> "fuck bjoern_ harder" : 0
12:23:23 <perigrin> .gc "fuck bjoern_ harder" -ignatz
12:23:23 <phenny> "fuck bjoern_ harder" -ignatz: 0
12:24:13 <xover> .gc fuck perigrin harder
12:24:13 <phenny> fuck perigrin harder: 112,000
12:24:25 <perigrin> unf unf unf ?
12:24:35 <bjoern_> .gc fuck perigrin less
12:24:36 <phenny> fuck perigrin less: 87,600
12:24:46 <xover> .gc fuck perigrin more
12:24:46 <phenny> fuck perigrin more: 118,000
12:25:16 <xover> Guess the world just generally wants to fuck you.
12:26:34 <perigrin> yes I feel fucked.
12:27:01 <xover> Good. Now Bend Over and Grease Up!
12:28:16 <sbp> universal noise of feeling fucked
12:28:20 <bjoern_> .compare underfucked overfucked
12:28:21 <phenny> underfucked (47,700), overfucked (1,400)
12:28:32 <sbp> .gc fuck-a-doodle-doo
12:28:33 <phenny> fuck-a-doodle-doo: 10,300
12:28:39 <bjoern_> .gc iFucked
12:28:40 <phenny> iFucked: 12,700
12:28:51 <bjoern_> .gc GFucked
12:28:52 <phenny> GFucked: 2,210
12:29:00 <bjoern_> .gc MSFuck
12:29:03 <phenny> MSFuck: 112
12:31:37 <sbp> .gc MS-Fuckers
12:31:40 <phenny> MS-Fuckers: 36
12:31:44 <sbp> .gc MS-Fuckery
12:31:45 <phenny> MS-Fuckery: 38
12:31:48 <sbp> .gc MS-Fucking
12:31:49 <phenny> MS-Fucking: 1,850
12:31:50 <sbp> .gc MS-Fuckings
12:31:53 <phenny> MS-Fuckings: 5
12:31:53 <sbp> COMPARE
12:31:59 <bjoern_> <=>
12:32:26 <sbp> .compare MS-Fuck MS-Fucks MS-Fuckwit MS-Fuckwits MS-Fuckly
12:32:29 <phenny> MS-Fuck (608), MS-Fucks (237), MS-Fuckwit (10), MS-Fuckwits (1), MS-Fuckly (1)
12:36:03 <perigrin> .compare APPL-Fuck APPL-Fucks APPL-Fuckqit APPL-Fuckwits APPL-Fuckly
12:36:05 <phenny> APPL-Fuck (2), APPL-Fuckwits (0), APPL-Fucks (0), APPL-Fuckqit (0), APPL-Fuckly (0)
12:36:14 <perigrin> less fucktastic
12:36:45 <bjoern_> .gc swhackfuck
12:36:47 <sbp> .compare uperfuck upperfuck ooperfuck
12:36:48 <phenny> swhackfuck: 0
12:36:51 <phenny> upperfuck (3), uperfuck (2), ooperfuck (0)
12:37:46 <bjoern_> .gc "makes not sense"
12:37:49 <phenny> "makes not sense": 855
12:37:53 <bjoern_> .gc "makes nonsense"
12:37:57 <phenny> "makes nonsense": 62,100
12:38:25 <sbp> .compare "doesn't make sense" "does not make sense" "oesn't make sense"
12:38:28 <phenny> "doesn't make sense" (2,360,000), "does not make sense" (1,710,000), "oesn't make sense" (341)
12:38:51 <bjoern_> .gc unsense
12:38:55 <sbp> Monty: do you oesn't make sense?
12:38:55 <phenny> unsense: 568
12:38:56 <Monty> .head http://inamidst.com/stuff/images/modifiers Content-Length
12:38:59 <phenny> Content-Length: 11879
12:39:04 <bjoern_> pwnd
12:39:09 <sbp> : : : ( ( (
12:39:25 <bjoern_> .gc cryonics
12:39:28 <phenny> cryonics: 137,000,000
12:39:37 <perigrin> .gc smileonics
12:39:39 <phenny> smileonics: 0
12:39:47 <perigrin> .gc crybabyonics
12:39:50 <phenny> crybabyonics: 0
12:39:59 <perigrin> .gc fuckonics
12:40:01 <phenny> fuckonics: 0
12:40:09 <perigrin> .gc fuckonics -ignatz
12:40:12 <phenny> fuckonics -ignatz: 0
12:40:14 <perigrin> boo
12:40:46 <bjoern_> .gc airponics
12:40:49 <phenny> airponics: 1,370
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12:41:20 <bjoern_> .gc DEMONIX
12:41:21 <phenny> DEMONIX: 104,000
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13:28:25 <sbp> hi setre
13:28:53 <setre> hey sbp!
13:29:19 <sbp> welcome to Swhack
13:29:25 <sbp> this is a publically logged channel
13:29:37 <setre> thank you! - yup, I'm aware of that, thanks.
13:30:04 <sbp> so, why'd you drop by?
13:31:00 <bjoern_> [silence]
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13:31:22 <setre> ... yeah I just thought I'd see what goes on? :)
13:31:32 <sbp> heh, heh
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13:31:48 <sbp> Monty happens, and that's about it really
13:31:52 <Monty> 0F16: TIBETAN MARK CARET -DZUD RTAGS ME LONG CAN (???)
13:31:59 <sbp> wb Arnia
13:32:05 <sbp> electrix fix'd?
13:32:15 <bjoern_> NO U !
13:32:33 <Arnia> yeah, well... lights in my room still don't work, but they don't exactly know why
13:32:41 <Arnia> There is power to them
13:33:12 <bjoern_> How many iPhone users do you need to switch a light bulb?
13:33:49 <sbp> depends whether they're on holiday or not?
13:34:13 <bjoern_> Battery powered light bulbs?
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13:34:33 <sbp> real haxxers use blue LEDs anyway
13:35:02 * bjoern_ has a blue USB LED light
13:35:37 * bjoern_ reads http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightbulb_joke
13:35:53 <bjoern_> [[[
13:35:54 <bjoern_> Q. How many surrealists does it take to change a light bulb?
13:35:54 <bjoern_> A. Fish.
13:35:55 <bjoern_> ]]]
13:36:55 <sbp> alright then: 10 - one to replace the lightbulb, and nine to bukkake the Jobs.
13:37:12 <Arnia> 'The UK's ambassador to Thailand, Quinton Quayle, said he believed "that several British citizens have died on the flight".' -- http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7000155.stm
13:37:24 <Arnia> Our ambassador to Thailand is called Quinton Quayle?
13:37:33 <Arnia> Evil parents
13:37:36 <sbp> yeah. I heard him speak on the news the other day, even
13:37:40 <bjoern_> .wik Quinton Quayle
13:37:41 <phenny> "Quinton Mark Quayle is a British diplomat." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quinton_Quayle
13:39:42 <bjoern_> '''"Internet humor" is distinguishable from "Humor on the Internet" through the concept of ownership.''' - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_humor
13:40:53 <KragenSitaker> .wik Ian Bogost
13:40:56 <phenny> "The Joyboard is a balance board peripheral for the Atari 2600 video game console." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joyboard
13:41:36 <sbp> 2 - one to screw in the lightbulb, and the other to petition the store for $100 of store credit when the new cheaper 200W iLight comes out a month later.
13:42:02 <procto> heh
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13:42:37 <procto> is anyone here from around MA besides tonybaloney?
13:42:46 <procto> MA = Massachusetts, USA
13:42:50 <sbp> crschm... oh, he's not here
13:43:18 <procto> because of this: http://lasig.logarchy.org/
13:43:37 <procto> a meeting I started in August
13:43:44 <sbp> "Only marking is red elephant on the door."
13:43:48 <bjoern_> Hmm http://cgi.cs.indiana.edu/~oracle/digest.cgi?N=1425#1425-04
13:44:00 <procto> sbp: I'll add an article
13:44:08 <procto> sbp: but yeah, it's a small door squeezed in between two restaurants
13:44:12 <procto> there's a red elephant on it
13:44:15 <procto> and that's it
13:44:23 <procto> you open it, and walk up the stairs, then turn
13:44:25 <sbp> procto: is "ey" a, e, or i?
13:44:28 <procto> and you're in the Enormous Room
13:44:36 <sbp> I'm going for a
13:44:38 <procto> sbp: a
13:44:43 <sbp> win!
13:44:44 <procto> 'merican pronounciation
13:45:01 <procto> no other letter would fit
13:45:01 <bjoern_> Fish.
13:45:03 <sbp> you should've used IPA
13:45:23 <procto> sbp: I would, except all the people other than me at the first meeting were mathematicians
13:45:30 <procto> sbp: and I wanted to take it easy on them
13:45:32 <bjoern_> [[[
13:45:39 <bjoern_> The Internet Oracle has pondered your question deeply. Your question was: > Oh great and powerful Oracle...
13:45:39 <bjoern_> >
13:45:39 <bjoern_> > We here in America generally use the Fahrenheit scale to measure
13:45:39 <bjoern_> > temperature. Why is the normal human body temperature 98.6 degrees?
13:45:39 <bjoern_> > Since we humans invented Fahrenheit, why didn't we originally
13:45:39 <bjoern_> > calibrate the scale so that normal human body temperature was 100
13:45:39 <swhask> Parse error
13:45:39 <swhask> Parse error
13:45:39 <swhask> Parse error
13:45:41 <bjoern_> > degrees? Might this have something to do with global warming?
13:45:46 <swhask> Not in scope: `was'
13:45:46 <swhask> Parse error
13:45:46 <bjoern_> And in response, thus spake the Oracle: } Fahrenheit actually is calibrated to the temperature of the human body.
13:45:47 <bjoern_> } The imperial system was just conceived in a fever dream.
13:45:50 <bjoern_> }
13:45:51 <bjoern_> } You owe the Oracle two wet towels and a pint of cough syrup.
13:45:55 <bjoern_> ]]]
13:45:57 <sbp> well, if they're mathematicians, I say NO MERCY!
13:45:58 <bjoern_> swhask: STFU
13:45:59 <procto> well, one of them was also an economist
13:46:09 <Arnia> http://www.newscientist.com/channel/health/mg19526210.700-morgellons-disease-the-itch-that-wont-be-scratched.html
13:46:15 <procto> I had a bunch of people RSVP to this month's meeting in august
13:47:31 <bjoern_> heh http://cgi.cs.indiana.edu/~oracle/digest.cgi?N=1425#1425-10
13:48:38 <Arnia> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morgellons
13:49:08 <procto> hmmm
13:49:15 <sbp> .gc bychosabble
13:49:16 <phenny> bychosabble: 0
13:49:19 <procto> I sewed my pants up using kevlar thread yesterday
13:49:35 <procto> one of the stitches held, the other didn't
13:49:40 <procto> I think because part of the pants ripped
13:49:44 <procto> wore them anyways
13:49:56 <procto> I'm going to have to devise a new stitch for them now
13:50:00 <procto> but I'm happy with the kevlar
13:50:03 <procto> highly recommended
13:50:12 <procto> not very expensive either
13:50:31 <sbp> heh, 1425 is a pretty good one
13:50:34 <sbp> procto: where did you get the kevlar from?
13:51:22 <procto> some outdoors/fishing store online.
13:51:50 <procto> I used google products
13:51:58 <sbp> might be just the thing to repair my guitar strap
13:52:06 <procto> http://www.amazon.com/Kevlar-Thread-Beading-Sewing-Stringing/dp/B000OVJZ9M/ref=pd_sbs_sg_3/002-5768355-8418466
13:52:09 <procto> this is the type I have
13:52:12 <procto> though I bought it for cheaper
13:52:41 <procto> it's very thin, but it's also kevlar :>
13:53:09 <bjoern_> http://cgi.cs.indiana.edu/~oracle/bestof.cgi?N=1376-1400#1393-10
13:53:22 <sbp> pfft, it doesn't give a width
13:54:29 <procto> about 0.075cm
13:54:31 <procto> I'd estimate
13:54:44 <procto> maybe 0.05cm
13:55:05 <procto> I might be overestimating
13:55:12 <bjoern_> You might be interested in some e-mail messages I could forward to you.
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13:55:17 <procto> hang on, let me look at my crotch
13:55:34 <procto> looks like 0.03cm
13:56:03 <bjoern_> speaking of it, http://cgi.cs.indiana.edu/~oracle/bestof.cgi?N=1376-1400#1390-05
13:58:27 <sbp> ooh, found some for £1.80
13:58:40 <Arnia> [[[
13:58:40 <Arnia> Next they subjected fibers to gas chromatography. Compounds put through this process are encased in a vacuum chamber and exposed to high heat; the temperature at which they reach boiling point is a clue to what compound they are made of. The forensic experts had a database that included the boiling point of 90,000 organic compounds with which to compare the fibers.
13:58:40 <Arnia> But the machine ran to its highest temperature, 1,400 degrees, and apart from some slight blackening, nothing happened. The fiber experts were mystified. "The conclusion we were left with is that they are unknown fibers, not simply contaminants from clothing sticking to scabs," says Wymore.
13:58:42 <Arnia> ]]] --- http://psychologytoday.com/articles/index.php?term=pto-20070227-000003&page=2
13:58:54 <sbp> BLACK IS OUT OF STOCK?!
14:00:33 <procto> sbp: the thread? yeah, it tends to be. keep looking, though :>
14:00:37 <procto> sbp: the natural color is yellow
14:00:49 <procto> when stretched even the black thread will be a bit yellowish
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14:05:19 <sbp> whoo! "Order Number 2951 Has Successfully Been Completed!"
14:05:29 <sbp> I have ordered scarlet
14:05:39 <sbp> total cost, with shipping, £3.80
14:05:44 <procto> not bad
14:06:02 <procto> I bought a set of multiple colors for $5, an extra black spool for $3
14:06:12 <procto> and free sheeping
14:06:17 <procto> I think those were the prises
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14:06:28 <sbp> nice
14:06:55 <procto> prices*
14:08:34 <sbp> mockingeye is yours, right?
14:08:47 <procto> yes
14:09:16 <sbp> ta
14:09:23 <procto> ta?
14:09:37 <sbp> uk:ta = us:thanksandhaveaniceday!
14:09:51 <sbp> actually, not the have a nice day bit because that implies goodbye
14:09:52 <procto> ah
14:09:56 <sbp> and I'm not going anywhere
14:10:10 <procto> I will use "ta" as short for "tata"
14:10:15 <procto> in a frewell meaning
14:10:17 <procto> farewell*
14:10:55 <procto> is ta pronounced /ta/? or /tE/?
14:15:38 <sbp> it rhymes with tar. and bar. and far. and gah. and ma. and Arazonia, which is a magical version of Arizona
14:15:48 <procto> ah
14:15:51 <sbp> ya
14:16:02 <perigrin> .gc Arazonia
14:16:02 <phenny> Arazonia: 1,320
14:16:08 <perigrin> .gc Arazonia -ignatz
14:16:10 <phenny> Arazonia -ignatz: 1,320
14:16:12 <sbp> BLOGGED AND SORTID: http://inamidst.com/whits/2007/09#kevlar
14:16:39 <sbp> .title http://arazonia.com/
14:16:43 <phenny> sbp: arazonia.com: The Leading Arizona Site on the Net
14:16:50 <procto> sbp: careful with the thread btw, I cut my thumb with it
14:16:52 <procto> like, on the outside
14:17:01 <procto> when I was tightening
14:17:11 <procto> cause I had it wrapped around my thumb
14:17:15 <Arnia> Pron. /tA:/
14:18:40 <procto> that's what I gathered, thanks
14:19:07 <sbp> http://www.aolstalker.com/4140143.html is kinda... uh...
14:19:11 <sbp> procto: ouch! noted
14:21:37 <sbp> hmm
14:21:42 <sbp> now I want to learn how to tie flies
14:22:04 <bjoern_> `perldoc -f tie`
14:22:12 <sbp> all because procto sewed up his pants with kevlar
14:22:17 <procto> hehe
14:23:18 <sbp> $ perl -wne 'tie flies HERE ARE A MILLION MORE ARGUMENTS OKSRG OA JGLAJ RGOIJA ROGI JAOIGJ AOIRG JAOIG JJAI RGJOAI RJGOA JRGIA JRGOI AJRGIAJ RGIAJ RIOGJ AROIGJ AOIRFJ APOEKF PAOEKF C:ZDKVORK JGIJR GIJZ EFI JAID FJ~EIFJ'
14:23:18 <sbp> Not enough arguments for tie at -e line 1, near "PAOEKF C:"
14:23:18 <sbp> syntax error at -e line 1, near "PAOEKF C:"
14:23:18 <sbp> Execution of -e aborted due to compilation errors.
14:23:25 <sbp> how many arguments does this stupid function need?
14:23:51 <sbp> bjoern_! explain how perl works
14:24:30 <procto> hmm, I wonder if it's better to sew parallel to the rip or perpendicular to it. I've done the latter.
14:24:35 <procto> I'll try the former this time
14:24:50 <sbp> I would say parallel, overlapping the fabric
14:25:18 <bjoern_> `perldoc -f tie`
14:25:57 <procto> I'm going to see how my bag is sewn and follow that
14:26:06 <procto> it doesn't use kevlar, but a high-strength nylon thread
14:26:10 * procto has a Chrome bag
14:26:16 <sbp> .pc ë
14:26:20 <phenny> 00EB: LATIN SMALL LETTER E WITH DIAERESIS (ë)
14:26:44 <Arnia> http://hctv.humnet.ucla.edu/departments/linguistics/VowelsandConsonants/course/chapter1/chapter1.html
14:27:43 <sbp> .aiff? what decade was this made?
14:27:52 <procto> heh
14:27:56 <sbp> I've been meaning to make a decent IPA chart
14:27:58 <sbp> that has:
14:28:10 <sbp> a) the IPA symbols in PNG and Unicode
14:28:18 <sbp> b) the X-SAMPA equivalents
14:28:33 <sbp> and c) audio files some non-aiff format
14:28:37 <procto> just take the chart from the wikipedia IPA page, and then have a crawler go to each individual page, and rewrite the cells with the values
14:28:41 <procto> because they have all of these
14:28:44 <bjoern_> .wik Lemma
14:28:47 <phenny> "Lemma (mathematics), a proven statement used as a stepping-stone toward the proof of another statement" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemma
14:28:48 <procto> in each individual sound's page
14:28:55 <sbp> but since phonology is pretty boring, I can't generally be bothered
14:28:59 <procto> hehehe
14:29:30 <sbp> if I were a phonologician, I would explode the myth of these silly groupings once and for all
14:29:42 <Arnia> really?
14:29:42 <procto> hahaha
14:29:47 <sbp> and model the distribution of clustering on the multidimensional phonetic spectrum instead
14:29:47 <procto> what groupings do you mean?
14:30:00 <procto> you mean place of articulation groupings?
14:30:09 <sbp> right
14:30:20 <sbp> voicedness is probably somewhat discrete. I don't know for sure
14:30:36 <procto> the spectrum you're speaking is like a frequency spectrum, yes?
14:31:06 <sbp> yeah, in a way. there's also models of attack and levels of wake turbulence and all that kind of stuff which makes it very complicated
14:31:52 <sbp> but my point is that what we think of as discrete sounds typically vary quite broadly in real life
14:32:28 <procto> well, people in specific language disciplines already complain of IPA overdefinition
14:32:40 <sbp> and we end up with things like Grimm's Law because some of those sounds are "closer" to others and we gradually shift between them without noticing
14:32:42 <procto> it's supposed to be minimal complete
14:32:49 <Arnia> "dude, I think you're part of a viral marketing campaign to market your viral marketing campaign knowledge and skills." -- http://haltingpoint.blogspot.com/2006/05/morgellons-diseaseviral-marketing-for.html
14:32:59 <Arnia> http://haltingpoint.blogspot.com/2006/05/morgellons-diseaseviral-marketing-for.html#c114815105594502683
14:33:01 <procto> your method might cause *too much* distinction
14:33:01 <Arnia> (sorry)
14:33:04 <sbp> heh. there's also argument for underdefinition; whether some of those holes can be filled
14:33:14 <sbp> see also Piraha...
14:33:19 <Arnia> sbp: See the 'phonetic typewriter' research done by Kohonen
14:33:28 <procto> for example, semitic and sumerian scholars use a different notation system
14:33:36 <sbp> no, because, as I said, I actually find phonetics and phonology quite boring
14:33:41 <procto> same one is used for persian, too
14:33:53 <sbp> but if I were forced to do it, this is what I'd look into :-)
14:34:09 * sbp takes a quick sneaky look at Kohonen all the same...
14:35:27 <Arnia> S --> P <f,c> |- P --> S <1, fc/(fc+k)>
14:35:30 <Arnia> Explain
14:35:41 * Arnia ducks
14:37:02 <sbp> S inherits from P with a frequency f and a confidence c entails that P inherits S with a frequency of f and a confidence of fc/(fc+k), for whatever the hell k is and presuming that fc means f * c
14:37:30 <sbp> which really was just rewriting, and probably wrongly, but what the hey
14:38:11 <sbp> for consistency, I would write <f, c>
14:38:29 <Arnia> Uh... frequency of 1 not f
14:38:35 <procto> what symbol is |- ?
14:38:36 <sbp> or, actually, <1,fc/(fc+k)>, because that makes it look less like <1
14:38:36 <Arnia> and I do write <f, c>
14:38:46 <sbp> whoops, freq of 1 indeed
14:38:54 <perigrin> S stabs P with a spear piping the input to P stabbing S with a spear ... because they disagreed on the formula for combining f and c
14:38:56 <Arnia> procto: syntactic turnstile
14:39:22 <sbp> so the - after the pipe means "read stdin"?
14:39:32 <perigrin> I think so
14:39:43 <Arnia> procto: I really couldn't be bothered finding it in my font
14:39:47 <perigrin> least it does in my spear stabbing universe.
14:39:55 <sbp> and it's also getting input from fd 1
14:40:02 <procto> Arnia: ah, "therefore"
14:40:10 <sbp> as well as writing out to nothing, which is perhaps an alias for /dev/null in this syntax
14:40:19 <Arnia> procto: better to be rendered as 'entails'
14:40:25 <procto> right
14:40:30 <procto> I sees
14:40:35 <Arnia> sbp: but, explain why that inference rule makes sense :)
14:40:38 <perigrin> sbp, also reading from file 'f'
14:40:53 * Arnia only just properly groked it :/
14:40:55 <perigrin> or possibly f,c
14:41:46 <sbp> okay... let's see...
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14:42:28 <sbp> is the <1, ...> a consequence of the fact that this rule has been invoked?
14:42:53 <sbp> in other words, is the frequency of 1 a point of fact that the rule itself says this to be so?
14:43:31 <sbp> or am I just babbling random words that don't really make sense in that order but look pretty all the same?
14:43:32 <Arnia> sbp: yes. It is an inference rule. Given the judgement on the left, the judgement on the right is entailed
14:43:50 <sbp> okay...
14:44:23 <sbp> so the new confidence is the product of the old frequency and confidence over the old frequency and confidence plus some constant
14:45:03 <sbp> which means, for a start, the new confidence is going to be lower than the old freq * conf, as long as k is positive
14:45:17 <Arnia> Correct
14:45:48 <Arnia> k is the 'horizon constant' (how far into the future the system looks when talking about the stability of a judgement)
14:46:01 <Arnia> c = w/(w+k)
14:46:19 <sbp> hmm. I need to plot x/(x+y)
14:46:29 <Arnia> f = w+/w (that is positive evidence over all evidence)
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14:47:38 * sbp goes looking for a three-dimensional equation plotter in the nearest skip
14:48:06 <Arnia> sbp: OS X includes one
14:48:11 <Arnia> 'Grapher' in utilities
14:49:07 <sbp> woah, cool!
14:49:21 <sbp> z=x/(x+y) looks pretty funky
14:50:23 <sbp> but...
14:50:34 <sbp> the x and y positive quadrant looks quite flat
14:51:29 <Arnia> Ok. Try thinking of what an inheritance judgement means in terms of a 'typical' set of properties
14:51:40 <sbp> it means you get a subset of those properties
14:51:48 <sbp> so from the other way around, you have a superset
14:52:08 <Arnia> Which means that every one of the properties of P must be a property of S
14:52:43 <sbp> right...
14:53:22 <sbp> oh!
14:53:32 <sbp> this confidence is always very low
14:53:50 <sbp> because for the inverse subsetting to work, the two would have to be equivalent in properties?
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14:54:54 <sbp> hmm, no. wait
14:55:19 <sbp> .calc (3 * 1) / ((3 * 1) + 0.5)
14:55:22 <phenny> (3 * 1) / ((3 * 1) + 0.5) = 0.857142857
14:55:22 <sbp> .calc (3 * 1) / ((3 * 1) + 2)
14:55:25 <phenny> (3 * 1) / ((3 * 1) + 2) = 0.6
14:55:43 <Arnia> No... the best way to think about it really is in terms of evidence
14:55:56 <Arnia> f = w+/w and c=w/(w+k)
14:56:14 <sbp> what's w+?
14:56:22 <Arnia> Positive evidence for the statement
14:57:01 <sbp> so it's basically evidence minus some instability as time progresses?
14:57:16 <Arnia> Hm?
14:57:22 <sbp> the new confidence
14:57:51 <Arnia> Oh... no
14:58:57 <Arnia> The new confidence is w+/(w+ + k)
14:59:12 <sbp> .pc ⊢
14:59:15 <phenny> 22A2: RIGHT TACK (⊢)
14:59:18 <sbp> .pc ⊦
14:59:20 <phenny> 22A6: ASSERTION (⊦)
14:59:43 <Arnia> In other words, the more positive evidence you have (the greater the overlap of the extensions or intensions) the higher the confidence
15:00:05 <sbp> .pc ⍤⍨⍩
15:00:08 <phenny> 2364: APL FUNCTIONAL SYMBOL JOT DIAERESIS (⍤)
15:00:11 <phenny> 2368: APL FUNCTIONAL SYMBOL TILDE DIAERESIS (⍨)
15:00:15 <phenny> 2369: APL FUNCTIONAL SYMBOL GREATER-THAN DIAERESIS (⍩)
15:00:23 <Arnia> Got to love APL
15:00:29 <sbp> yeah
15:01:54 <Arnia> l = fc; u = 1 - c(1 - f)
15:02:19 <sbp> .pc ツ
15:02:19 <sbp> l?
15:02:21 <phenny> 30C4: KATAKANA LETTER TU (ツ)
15:02:43 <Arnia> Or, l = w+/(w + k) and u = (w+ + k)/(w + k)
15:03:03 <Arnia> l = lower bound on frequency, u = upper bound on frequency (both within the horizon k)
15:03:40 <sbp> what is w compared to w+?
15:03:59 <sbp> .pc ˫
15:04:02 <phenny> 02EB: MODIFIER LETTER YANG DEPARTING TONE MARK (˫)
15:04:32 <Arnia> w is the total evidence (the number of times the statement has been checked) and w+ is the number of times the statement has been found to be correct
15:05:40 <Arnia> So if I'm checking penguin --> bird and I check it 100 times; if 66 of the checks I do indeed do show penguin --> bird then the frequency would be 0.66 and the confidence would be 100/(100 + k)
15:06:19 <Arnia> 'checking' in this case can be thought of as comparing either the extension or the intension
15:06:52 <Arnia> So I could check all the properties of bird against all the properties of penguin and record them as positive evidence if penguin has them or negative evidence otherwise
15:06:59 <Arnia> (vice versa for extension)
15:08:37 <sbp> damn, I need another dimension for this
15:08:50 <procto> Arnia: so confidence would be lower the longer the time you're looking at is?
15:09:15 <procto> Arnia: despite there being no negative reports?
15:09:32 <Arnia> procto: no... confidence increases monotonically with increasing evidence
15:09:57 <bjoern_> .calc 2^(4+24+24)
15:09:59 <procto> what is k?
15:10:00 <phenny> 2^(4 + 24 + 24) = 4.50359963e15
15:10:33 <Arnia> procto: the horizon... how far into the future we're trying to peer into when making estimates of frequency
15:10:40 <procto> ah, future
15:10:45 <procto> I see
15:10:51 <Arnia> procto: typically it will be a small number like 1, 2, 3, or 4
15:10:55 <sbp> what units is it in?
15:10:56 <procto> so the farther into the future th elower the confidence. that would make sense to me.
15:11:04 <sbp> what do those numbers mean? what are they anchored to?
15:11:16 <Arnia> procto: the lower the parameter, the more conservative the system becomes
15:11:19 <procto> I thought that k was the period from which evidence is examined
15:11:29 <procto> makes more sense now
15:12:05 <Arnia> sbp: 'unit time'... imagine you get your information every hour on the hour. One statement every sixty minutes. Then the unit would be one hour.
15:12:36 <Arnia> procto: the higher the parameter, the more likely the system is to do inductive and abductive inference and work with more creative blends
15:12:52 <Arnia> It is called a 'personality parameter' of the reasoner
15:14:51 <procto> right, I see
15:17:22 <Arnia> sbp: to see why c = w/(w + k), think about how much the frequency f = w+/w can be swayed by in n time steps
15:17:34 <Arnia> (how much at most, that is)
15:19:52 <Arnia> To sway it by the most, all those time steps must give evidence to the same statement in the same direction (positive or negative)
15:20:36 <sbp> I see, it's linked with how often the data is produced in the first place
15:20:37 <Arnia> And the amount of swaying is the proportional change in the amount of evidence
15:21:07 <Arnia> sbp: well, it doesn't matter really. k is only ever used as a relative measurement in NARS
15:21:22 <Arnia> So, just pick an arbitrary unit (or just don't pick a unit)
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15:23:18 <Arnia> Anyway, the four syllogisms can in fact be reduced down to two rules
15:24:08 <Arnia> Deduction: S --> M <f1, c1>, M --> P <f2, c2> |- S --> P <f1c2, f1c1f2c2>
15:24:49 <Arnia> Conversion: S --> P <f, c> |- P --> S <1, fc/(fc+k)>
15:25:39 <Arnia> But the confidence is less than if you work out the rules for induction and abduction directly
15:32:25 <procto> yay! my copy of Tractatus Logico-Philosphicus arrived! I should go pick it up before Ugaritic
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15:35:43 <Arnia> I love reading that book... I can keep going 'nope, no, wrong' and making myself feel smart
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15:36:16 <procto> ahahaha
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15:37:19 <Arnia> I find it a very arrogant book, so it amuses me to do that
15:38:43 <procto> it's arrogant, but also fun.
15:40:46 <Arnia> heh... right, I need to head off for a bit
15:41:11 <Arnia> Enjoy your Wittgenstein, but remember -- there is no such thing as objectivist truth :p
15:43:10 <sbp> (the joke was on Arnia since, as it turned out, he was objectively wrong)
15:43:16 <bjoern_> Are there shorter words of equal length for the pair of ("source", "target"), ("from", "to"), ...
15:43:32 * Arnia attacks sbp with a Monty
15:43:33 <Monty> about that way larger than it is it could be, anyway :p
15:43:34 <sbp> shorter than 6 you mean?
15:43:38 <bjoern_> yes
15:43:51 <Arnia> in out
15:43:57 <bjoern_> not equal length
15:43:58 <sbp> gotta be equal length
15:44:07 <Arnia> oh...
15:44:10 <Arnia> 's' 't'
15:44:13 <bjoern_> "i" and "o" are not words...
15:44:14 <sbp> hehe
15:44:22 <Arnia> actually, i and o are words
15:44:44 <Arnia> One is the first person singular pronoun and the other is the vocative determiner
15:44:45 <bjoern_> Who gave you any authority as to what I consider a word!
15:45:12 <Arnia> I did... since there is no objectivist reference, there can only be my reference
15:45:13 <procto> time to go to class! Ugaritic here I come!
15:45:13 <sbp> how about "in" and "to"?
15:45:19 <Arnia> And I said it was :p
15:45:41 <sbp> enjoy your Ugaritic, procto
15:46:02 <bjoern_> They are rarely used together, and can easily be confused.
15:46:07 <bjoern_> .thesaurus source
15:46:09 <bjoern_> .thesaurus target
15:46:12 <sbp> fountainhead, consequence
15:46:12 <phenny> source synonyms: antecedent, author, authority, authorship, begetter, birthplace, cause, commencement, connection, dawn, dawning, derivation, determinant, expert, fount, fountain, fountainhead, horse's mouth*,
15:46:12 <phenny> target synonyms: ambition, bull's-eye*, destination, duty, end, function, goal, ground zero*, intention, mark*, object, objective, point, purpose, spot, use
15:46:14 <phenny> source synonyms: inception, informant, mother, onset, opening, origin, origination, originator, parent, paternity, provenance, provenience, rise, rising, root, specialist, spring, start, starting, supply, wellspring
15:46:34 <sbp> from, dest?
15:46:43 <bjoern_> that's better
15:46:48 <sbp> yayz
15:47:08 * bjoern_ used "head", "butt" in a related case...
15:47:33 * bjoern_ ... until I switched to min, max
15:47:51 <sbp> aw
15:48:06 <sbp> jot and tit?
15:48:45 <bjoern_> rise, dawn does not fit, unfortunately.
15:49:13 <sbp> ooh, this is great 419 spam:
15:49:15 <sbp> "My name is Sgt kenny Baker, Jr. I am in the Engineering military unit here in Ba'qubah in Iraq, we have about $10, Million US dollars that we want to move out of the country. My partners and I need a good partner someone we can trust. It is oil money and legal."
15:49:39 <sbp> American solider, with $10m legal oil money. in Iraq
15:49:39 <sbp> that's just great
15:51:21 <bjoern_> "We have a few billion Iraqi Oil-for-food money in cash down here in the basement. You comin along for some soccer?"
15:52:24 <sbp> "DON'T YOU DARE 'SOCCER' ME"
15:52:48 <bjoern_> "DON'T I, DO I?"
15:53:26 <sbp> 16:36 <sbj_ss> f**n Adobe with there f**n plug-in/
15:53:26 <sbp> 16:36 <sbj_ss> *their
15:53:26 <sbp> 16:38 <sbp> fain?
15:53:26 <sbp> 16:38 <sbp> faun?
15:53:26 <sbp> 16:39 <sbp> otheir?
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15:53:28 <sbp> 16:44 <sbp> * * *?
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16:34:56 <sbp> wow, because of all this bank interloaning furore, some banks are now offering bonds whose *net* returns are almost as good as the current interest rates. I wonder how the gap between the two varies, actually?
16:35:14 * sbp wonders if anybody bothers plotting these things, given how intricate they always turn out to be in the fine print
16:35:45 <sbp> Northern Rock appears to be regaining some of its customers' confidence though today
16:36:05 <thelsdj> probably only going to get worse this side of the pond before it gets better
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16:43:29 * darobin feels sheltered
16:49:13 <sbp> thelsdj: I heard today that the Fed were probably going to *lower* your interest rates, right?
16:49:26 <thelsdj> yea but thats only going to bring about more lending... wtf
16:49:31 <sbp> because the economy is a bit recessive... and even though inflation is going a little bit mad
16:49:42 <sbp> totally nuts
16:50:14 <sbp> was wasn't Greenspan saying the other day that they might have to put it to double digit interest rates to get everything back under control?
16:50:14 <bjoern_> [15 Sep 07 19:14] * bjoern_ * "Former Fed Chairman Alan Greenspan predicts in a new book out Monday that the Fed will have to raise interest rates to double-digit levels in coming years to thwart inflation." - http://www.usatoday.com/money/economy/fed/2007-09-14-greenspan-book_N.htm
16:50:20 <sbp> there we go
16:50:30 <bjoern_> THERE WHEN YA NEED ME
16:50:32 <sbp> s/^was/and/
16:50:38 <sbp> hehe. thanks, Cap'n bjoern_!
16:50:59 <bjoern_> You're welcome, filthy human.
16:51:05 <darobin> yeah but Greenspan's clearly gone ga ga, he thing the Iraq war was for oil!
16:51:13 * sbp feeds bjoern_ blackjack and hookers
16:51:34 <darobin> forget about the blackjack!
16:51:41 <bjoern_> He wrote his book in a series of bathtubes.
16:51:47 <sbp> well, you can do both simultaneously
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17:02:43 <glen_quagmire> dhcpd eth0 from linux desktop hangs unless my laptop already has ip using wifi
17:02:50 <glen_quagmire> laptop runs windows vista
17:03:07 <glen_quagmire> when laptop gets ip through ethernet, linux desktop still can't do dhcpd
17:03:26 <glen_quagmire> only when the laptop gets ip via wifi, linux dekstop can do dhcpd
17:05:06 <bjoern_> What does it mean for dhcpd to "hang"?
17:05:24 <sbp> E_NOTENOUGHBLACKJACKANDHOOKERS
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17:05:36 <bjoern_> Isn't it a daemon, which, uhm, tend to hang?
17:06:02 <sbp> presumably that it's not doing what it's supposed to be doing
17:06:02 <glen_quagmire> dhcpd eth0 : eth0 timed out
17:06:31 <bjoern_> So what's eth0 anyway?
17:06:35 <glen_quagmire> Error, eth0: timed out
17:06:50 <glen_quagmire> it's an ethernet interface on my dekstop
17:07:03 <sbp> .compare eth0s "leet eth0s" "l33t eth0s"
17:07:06 <phenny> eth0s (1,080), "leet eth0s" (0), "l33t eth0s" (0)
17:07:26 <bjoern_> .gc h4x0r eth0z
17:07:29 <phenny> h4x0r eth0z: 2
17:08:10 <glen_quagmire> i'm not sure what is the problem. maybe it's the router. maybe it's the desktop. maybe it's the laptop
17:08:26 <glen_quagmire> is there a way to send ethernet frames ?
17:09:23 <glen_quagmire> i want to send frames and see how router and laptop are responding
17:09:32 <glen_quagmire> is there gui application that does that?
17:09:49 <glen_quagmire> like Dr-all-in-one-network-problem-fix
17:11:18 <bjoern_> .wik arping
17:11:20 <phenny> "arping is a computer program which is similar in function to ping, but it operates using Address Resolution Protocol (ARP) instead of Internet Control Message Protocol." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arping
17:11:35 <glen_quagmire> arping says socket error or something
17:11:49 <glen_quagmire> arping: socket: Operation not permitted
17:12:17 <glen_quagmire> oh i didn't do it as root
17:12:31 <glen_quagmire> i'll try it next time i reboot without laptop turned on
17:13:40 <glen_quagmire> no i'll do it now
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17:24:35 <crschmidt> Does an XML document require a schema/dtd to be valid?
17:24:46 <bjoern_> yes
17:24:55 <bjoern_> a DTD, to be specific.
17:25:10 <bjoern_> without a DTD but with some schema it might be "schema-valid"
17:26:25 * crschmidt nods.
17:35:14 <deltab> "Definition: An XML document is valid if it has an associated document type declaration and if the document complies with the constraints expressed in it."
17:35:34 <deltab> — XML spec
17:35:41 * crschmidt nods.
17:35:48 <crschmidt> What's the meaning of 'associated'?
17:35:59 <crschmidt> Does 'exists on the web' count? Does it have to be referenced in the doc?
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17:36:27 <xover> Weasel wording to avoid admitting SGML exists.
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17:36:40 <bjoern_> It means you have a <!DOCTYPE in the document.
17:36:49 <xover> It means the Document Instance must have either an Internal or External Subset.
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17:37:06 <bjoern_> talk about weasel wording....
17:37:32 <xover> No, that's just obtuse.
17:37:42 <deltab> "Definition: The XML document type declaration contains or points to markup declarations that provide a grammar for a class of documents. This grammar is known as a document type definition, or DTD. The document type declaration can point to an external subset (a special kind of external entity) containing markup declarations, or can contain the markup declarations directly in an internal subset, or can do both. The DTD for
17:37:43 <deltab> a document consists of both subsets taken together."
17:38:49 <bjoern_> 1. Deploy Voice IRC
17:38:57 <bjoern_> 2. Make deltab read full specs
17:39:11 <bjoern_> 3. warez the logs into audio books
17:39:15 <bjoern_> 4. Profit!
17:41:11 <sbp> crschmidt!
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17:45:01 <Jabberwock> Hello there and once again it is good to see you. You're looking marvelous as always!
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17:45:12 <Monty> But what does bpt2 have to do with the price of fish?
17:45:14 <Monty> hey Arnia
17:45:14 <phenny> Hush there, Monty.
17:45:15 <Monty> like, on :-)
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17:47:46 <sbp> Zjyabberwoque!
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17:51:07 <Jabberwock> Scissor me xerces!! eeyarrrrrr
17:51:32 <crschmidt> sbp: hi.
18:03:15 <bjoern_> One day too early.
18:03:34 <bpt2> .compare "all-seeing Leprechaun" "unstoppable mouse"
18:03:37 <phenny> "unstoppable mouse" (53), "all-seeing Leprechaun" (5)
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18:10:03 <sbp> .t Z
18:10:07 <phenny> 2007-09-18T18:02:02Z
18:10:25 <sbp> .event 2007-09-18T18:58:00Z sbp, deltab: Great British Journeys
18:10:26 <phenny> sbp: Okay, added that event.
18:10:58 <sbp> one of the highlights of the TV week
18:37:45 <deltab> sbp: China's Terracotta Army on 2 now
18:38:00 <deltab> and for the past half hour
18:42:02 <sbp> ooh
18:42:05 * sbp has a look
18:49:09 <sbp> deltab: did I hear them right saying the reading room's dome is made of papier mâché?
18:49:34 <bjoern_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Keyboard_Layout_Hangul.png
18:50:21 <deltab> sbp: yeah
18:51:32 <deltab> "The Reading Room's domed roof is metal framed, and the surface that makes up the ceiling is a type of papier-mâché." — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Museum_Reading_Room
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18:53:20 <deltab> sbp: You were lucky to have erasers. In my day, we had to make corrections with a *knife*.
18:54:37 <sbp> hehe
18:55:12 <bjoern_> That hasn't changed. Except we know have airstrikes.
18:55:51 <sbp> hooray for non-invasive archaeology
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18:57:18 <procto> I just gave a presentation on Second Life
18:57:36 <bjoern_> Hello kasei. We regret to inform you that this isn't #Swhack. The channel vanished in the last netsplit; we're just here so evil h4x0rs don't take over the channel as Swhackers might if the roles were reversed.
18:57:38 <sbp> congratulations, you're now as cool as Cory Doctorow!
18:57:49 <procto> spent too much time explaining furries
18:57:51 <bjoern_> Is that good or bad?
18:58:00 <bjoern_> "Yes!"
18:58:01 <bjoern_> k thx.
18:58:06 <procto> had to rush the rest
18:58:08 <sbp> depends whether you're Cory Doctorow or not
18:58:33 <libby> kasei!
18:58:42 <thelsdj> mmm furries
18:58:43 <sbp> ...libby!
18:58:49 <sbp> thelsdj!
18:58:55 <thelsdj> zup
18:59:12 <sbp> watching terracotta
18:59:12 <kasei> heya
18:59:27 <sbp> yo kasei
18:59:48 <procto> I'm wearing my anti-Doctorow pants
18:59:57 <procto> so I'm alright
19:00:15 <sbp> they've probably been yiffed all over now though, right?
19:00:29 <sbp> that might take away some of their potence
19:00:48 <procto> people were either shocked or laughing hysterically
19:01:26 <procto> roughly following the gender division
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19:05:26 <thelsdj> i still laugh when i think about playing Furcadia back before I even knew what a furry was and that they even existed
19:06:02 <happen> sbp, deltab: Great British Journeys
19:06:18 <sbp> we know
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19:08:53 <sbp> oho, Daniel Defoe this week
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19:12:14 <bjoern_> .calc 81 in hexadecimal
19:12:19 <phenny> 81 = 0x51
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19:14:44 <sbp> heh, Peer was dashed out: P--r
19:16:11 <sbp> "Tidy Thames I" - Thames rubbish barge name
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19:23:07 <sbp> large bastillons, eh?
19:23:31 <sbp> bastions, even. I don't know why I want to put an ll in to that word
19:25:30 <sbp> "Not a lot of people know that Man Friday came from Tilbury."
19:27:33 <sbp> they read Canvey Island, but the original looked like "/Candy-Island/"
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19:37:18 <[sr]thelsdj> SHITRUDE IN DA HIZZOUSE
19:38:37 <bancus> Is this a new clan?
19:38:47 <bancus> I wonder if WoW would bounce ShitRude as a guild name.
19:38:53 <[sr]thelsdj> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/shitrude/
19:38:56 <[sr]thelsdj> steam sure does
19:39:09 <[sr]thelsdj> allows it i mean
19:39:13 <bancus> Just the opposite, I'd think.
19:39:14 <bancus> k
19:39:27 <bancus> I wonder how well HL2 would work in Parallels.
19:39:33 <[sr]thelsdj> hehe
19:39:41 <[sr]thelsdj> just played TF2 for the first time
19:43:06 <bancus> bioshock is a steam game?
19:44:06 <sbp> ahaha. "Before anyone asks *me* any questions, I'm getting on a boat..."
19:44:32 <bjoern_> hmm no good news on the tubular intarwebz today.
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19:44:51 <tobbez> bancus: Not that I know, but they maybe distributed it via steam as well
19:45:02 <tobbez> Good game in any case
19:45:29 * bjoern_ lols at the tags for http://science.slashdot.org/science/07/09/18/1625224.shtml
19:46:05 <bjoern_> "MailCo will be led by David Ascher of ActiveState fame and, according to him, will be a for-profit venture without the emphasis on profit."
19:46:09 <[sr]thelsdj> yes, bioshock was distributed on steam
19:46:12 <[sr]thelsdj> thats where i bought it
19:46:29 <bjoern_> .gc "SHITRUDE CLAN"
19:46:31 <phenny> "SHITRUDE CLAN": 0
19:46:42 <[sr]thelsdj> .gc shitrude
19:46:45 <phenny> shitrude: 4
19:47:00 <libby> sbp!
19:47:10 <[sr]thelsdj> .g shitrude
19:47:13 <phenny> [sr]thelsdj: http://shitrude.com/
19:47:17 <[sr]thelsdj> yay, its on google
19:47:32 <[sr]thelsdj> woa
19:47:34 <[sr]thelsdj> http://www.google.com/search?q=shitrude&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
19:47:38 <[sr]thelsdj> look at the third result
19:47:47 <[sr]thelsdj> ⓈⓌⒽⒶⒸⓀ.ⒸⓄⓂ/logs/latest
19:47:55 <[sr]thelsdj> wtf?
19:48:10 * bjoern_ H4X0R3D G00GLEZ
19:48:29 <bjoern_> there is some discussion about it in the logs
19:48:39 <bjoern_> the logs also happen to be how I h4x0red it
19:48:54 <[sr]thelsdj> .swhack ⓈⓌⒽⒶⒸⓀ
19:49:34 <bjoern_> It's essentially an illegal IDN, normally you'd NFKC the name, but I bypassed that step.
19:49:57 <phenny> [sr]thelsdj: http://swhack.com/logs/2007-07-05#T18-10-13
19:50:13 <bjoern_> So Google NFKCs the domain name when it resolves the URI, causing the mismatch
19:50:45 <sbp> oh man, he's measuring chains with an actual chain
19:50:49 <bjoern_> .swhack xn--
19:51:00 <phenny> bjoern_: http://swhack.com/logs/2007-01-24#T10-42-27
19:51:22 <bjoern_> well somewhere there I suppose.
19:56:34 <sbp> ooh, reindeer moss. I think it's edible, at a pinch
19:59:21 <sbp> .g "reindeer moss" "What Planet"
19:59:24 <phenny> sbp: http://bfd.1ilh4.cn/
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20:13:52 <madewokherd> excuse me, if no one minds I'd like to use this channel for my own selfish ends without actually staying here much unless it works
20:14:21 <[sr]thelsdj> isn't that what we all use this channel for?
20:14:42 <sbp> yeah
20:14:53 <madewokherd> I don't know; I don't actually spend much time here anymore
20:16:54 <madewokherd> my selfish ends are as follows: I need to write a window manager in order to graduate from college, which means I need to work with the X Window system directly, and my odds of success would be better if I knew someone who had experience with that kind of programming
20:17:18 <madewokherd> I don't know anyone like that, and I thought maybe some might hang around here
20:18:09 <bjoern_> I'd like a comparison of human-built things you can see from space, chinese-financed ones like the great wall and the U.S. embassy in Iraq vs. the rest.
20:18:39 <bjoern_> Maybe ask on a X channel?
20:19:23 <madewokherd> I could do that, but I don't even slightly know any of those people
20:19:29 <madewokherd> and I have no specific questions
20:19:33 <sbp> you don't know us anymore either
20:19:39 <sbp> you don't spend much time here anymore
20:19:42 <bjoern_> My thoughts exactly!
20:20:04 <bjoern_> you don't even know about SHITRUDE man.
20:20:09 <madewokherd> I do more than I would people on an X channel
20:21:00 <sbp> 'cham off
20:21:01 <sbp> 'night!
20:21:13 <bjoern_> ME TOO OMG
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20:21:46 <[sr]thelsdj> SHITRUDE
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21:44:56 <Monty> bah, it's ows again
21:48:24 * Arnia boings in a SHITRUDE way
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22:08:29 <[sr]thelsdj> phenny: "のバックアップをとる作業は省略, 分からないのなら以下の作業も手を出すべきではない # dd if=/mnt/roでマウントするなり, 事前にコピーする段階は省略BOOTSECT.bak of=/dev/sda1XPのパーティション bs=8192 count=1いちおう # grub-installいちおう /dev/sda"?
22:08:34 <phenny> [sr]thelsdj: "As for the work of taking backup abbreviation, you do not understand, if is, also the job below the hand is produced, the stage which with the # dd if=/mnt/ro which should and is not mounts to become, copies in advance partition bs=8192 of abbreviation BOOTSECT.bak of=/dev/sda1XP count=1 once # grub-install once /dev/sda" (ja)
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22:28:45 <bancus> abbreviation = link, perhaps?
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22:29:43 <bancus> or maybe script
22:40:20 <kpreid> there's something more impressive-looking about translation out of a writing system I can't read
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22:41:09 <Arnia> kpreid: Linear-A!
22:42:42 <kpreid> what about it?
22:43:01 <Arnia> Writing systems you can't read
22:45:55 <kpreid> Well, but that's a pretty large category.
22:47:21 <Arnia> kpreid: ostensive definition never hurt anyone
22:47:31 * Arnia points out the rainbow
22:47:37 <Arnia> Note: I'm not eating Skittles
22:48:02 * kpreid parses it like "points out the window"
22:49:16 <Arnia> kpreid: interesting... you've now trapped me inside a place where no one can ever actually be
22:49:35 <Arnia> damn swhack and its weapons of mass paradox
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22:50:17 * kpreid apologizes and exchanges it for an energy paradox.
22:51:40 <Arnia> Now we have an excess of paradoxons to deal with
22:51:51 <Arnia> Where can we discharge them?
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23:09:10 <perigrin> perhaps the RSCPA will have a suggestion?
23:10:11 * perigrin leaves that loaded pun lying there and goes to make dinner
23:10:16 <Arnia> perigrin: that's 'parakeets'
23:10:54 <perigrin> I thought you said you had a pair of daschunds
23:11:13 <Arnia> eww...
23:12:19 * Arnia encrypts perigrin with a one-way function
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23:12:33 * perigrin goes to make hash for dinner
23:12:39 * Arnia groans
23:13:06 <Arnia> Get herfting then
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23:54:03 <deltab> in #whatwg:
23:54:04 <deltab> ‹kingryan› yeah, Hixie, I can't wait for the day, far in the future, when the tools will save us
23:54:04 <deltab> ‹kingryan› of course, then they'll develop AI, violate the 3 laws and destroy human civilization
23:54:04 <deltab> * grimboy has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
23:54:04 <deltab> ‹marcosc› but at least we will be saved!
23:54:04 <deltab> ‹kingryan› our robot masters will save us from ourselves
23:54:06 <deltab> ‹Dashiva› They won't save us, they'll just save HTML
23:54:51 <Arnia> ...
23:54:54 * Arnia sniggers
23:55:24 <Arnia> <armageddon />
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