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00:44:50 <nsh> .ety pique
00:44:56 <phenny> "1532, 'fit of ill feeling,' from M.Fr. pique 'a prick, sting, irritation,' from O.Fr. (see pike (2))." - http://etymonline.com/?term=pique
00:45:05 <nsh> .w pique
00:45:08 <phenny> pique n. 1: Tightly woven fabric with raised cords
00:45:10 <phenny> pique n. 2: A sudden outburst of anger
00:45:12 <phenny> pique v. 1: Cause to feel resentment or indignation.
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01:11:03 <nsh> .calc 1 / (1.482*10^23)
01:11:06 <phenny> 1 / (1.48200 * (10^23)) = 6.74763833e-24
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02:54:15 <nsh> .wik parsec
02:54:17 <phenny> "The parsec (symbol pc) is a unit of length used in astronomy." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parsec
02:55:01 <nsh> .calc 1 parsec
02:55:04 <phenny> 1 Parsec = 3.08568025e16 meters
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04:16:06 <nsh> .ety vitiate
04:16:08 <phenny> "1534, from L. vitiatus, pp. of vitiare 'to make faulty, injure, spoil, corrupt,' from vitium 'fault, defect, blemish, crime, vice' (see vice (1))." - http://etymonline.com/?term=vitiate
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04:30:59 <nsh> .wik CBR
04:31:02 <phenny> "Central Board of Revenue federal department for revenue collection of Pakistan" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CBR
04:31:05 <nsh> no..
04:31:33 <nsh> oh, cosmic background radiation
04:32:35 * nsh predicts standard model (of physics) implosion in ~4 years
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04:39:02 <AlgebraSlave> s/seconds/minutes/g
04:40:26 <nsh> <- optimist
04:41:02 <nsh> http://citeseer.ist.psu.edu/cache/papers/cs/32949/http:zSzzSzredshift.vif.comzSzJournalFileszSzPre2001zSzV03NO3PDFzSzV03N3ROS.PDF/a-fractal-universe-with.pdf
04:46:27 <AlgebraSlave> Monty: Pick a good name for me
04:46:30 <Monty> roundabout is scrumptious and fit, apparently.
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04:46:46 <jsled> ROUNDABOUT
04:46:46 * nsh smiles
04:46:49 <jsled> nice.
04:46:52 <roundaboutisscru> Thanks
04:47:29 <jsled> d9uw, what's your story, anyways?
04:47:48 <jsled> You live in Alaska?!? That's even more remote than Vermont.
04:48:18 <roundaboutisscru> BELIEVE IT OR NOT YES
04:48:33 <roundaboutisscru> We don't even have Electricity or cars up here!
04:48:34 <jsled> Why not move to the Silicone valley ... or Nigeria or something
04:48:36 <nsh> alaska is probably the only state left with a surplus
04:48:54 <nsh> they'll be buying the us by the time bush is done
04:49:14 <roundaboutisscru> Yeah, we have so much cash the state sends us all a check for living here
04:49:28 <jsled> Don't you get like 3K/yr in oil revenue? Or am I dreaming?
04:49:36 <roundaboutisscru> .wik Alaska Permanent Fund Dividend
04:49:39 <phenny> "The Alaska Permanent Fund Dividend program of the U.S. state of Alaska, popularly known as the PFD, was created by state legislation in 1980 to share the wealth of the Alaska Permanent Fund with the people of Alaska." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaska_Permanent_Fund_Dividend
04:50:03 <jsled> I mean I'd burn it for warmth.
04:50:08 <jsled> FIRST COME FIRST SERVE.
04:50:11 * nsh chuckles
04:51:10 <roundaboutisscru> Oh come on it's not THAT cold
04:51:17 <jsled> And *we* have the socialist senator....
04:51:30 <roundaboutisscru> .weather PAED
04:51:33 <phenny> Clear ☼, 46.4℉ (8℃), 29.93in (1010mb), Light air 3kt (↑) - PAED 19:55, 0355Z
04:51:43 <nsh> language change is funny: http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-moo1.htm
04:52:45 <jsled> .weather KBTV
04:52:48 <phenny> Cloudy, 66.2℉ (19℃), 30.04in (1014mb), Light air 3kt (↑) - KBTV 23:54, 0354Z
04:57:12 <jsled> s/soc/Soc/
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05:17:49 <nsh> .ety plenum
05:17:52 <phenny> "1678, 'filled space' (opposite of vacuum), from L. plenum (spatium) 'full (space),' neuter of plenus 'complete, full' (see plenary)." - http://etymonline.com/?term=plenum
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06:29:54 <sbp> .gc squidgybo
06:29:56 <phenny> squidgybo: 88
06:30:00 <phenny> sbp: 02:08Z <Morbus> tell sbp you're an asshat.
06:30:30 <perigrin> .gc asshat
06:30:32 <sbp> hehe
06:30:33 <phenny> asshat: 883,000
06:30:38 <sbp> phenny: tell Morbus sry
06:30:40 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when morbus is around.
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06:30:49 <perigrin> you're in good company tho'
06:31:06 <sbp> well, I'm in company. is any of it good?
06:31:11 <sbp> for example:
06:31:17 <sbp> .g "Bill Gates is an asshat"
06:31:20 <phenny> sbp: http://www.givememyremote.com/2005/11/give-me-my-remote-needs-your-help_11.html
06:31:25 <sbp> .gc "GWB is an asshat"
06:31:28 <phenny> "GWB is an asshat": 4
06:31:30 <sbp> etc.
06:31:36 <perigrin> true
06:31:57 <perigrin> i suppose all 882,999 others are asshats
06:32:03 <perigrin> by definition
06:32:08 <sbp> right
06:32:11 <sbp> or claimed to be asshats
06:32:16 <sbp> this is where I might get out of it
06:32:24 <nsh> good case sketch
06:32:28 <sbp> because I heard a crazy new rumour that some statements on the tubes are false
06:32:32 <nsh> whoa, whoa
06:32:39 <nsh> so time isn't a cube!?!
06:32:41 <sbp> I'm not sure if this rumour is false or not, because I picked it up from the tubes
06:32:45 <perigrin> .gc "jesus is an asshat"
06:32:47 <sbp> nsh: it potentially might not be!
06:32:48 <phenny> "jesus is an asshat": 1
06:32:55 <perigrin> sbp, well there's one
06:33:02 <perigrin> .gc "buddah is an asshat"
06:33:04 <phenny> "buddah is an asshat": 0
06:33:08 <perigrin> no buddah though
06:33:16 <nsh> .gc "zoroaster is an asshat"
06:33:19 <phenny> "zoroaster is an asshat": 0
06:33:25 <perigrin> .gc "Ghandi is an asshat"
06:33:28 <phenny> "Ghandi is an asshat": 0
06:33:32 <perigrin> hmm ...
06:33:39 <perigrin> starting to narrow the field here...
06:34:19 <perigrin> .compare "FSM is an asshat" "Flying Spaghetti Monster is an asshat" "Invisible Pink Unicorn is an asshat" "IPU is an asshat" "Dahut is an asshat"
06:34:24 <phenny> "Invisible Pink Unicorn is an asshat" (0), "IPU is an asshat" (0), "Flying Spaghetti Monster is an asshat" (0), "FSM is an asshat" (0), "Dahut is an asshat" (0)
06:34:32 <perigrin> wow ... nothing at all?
06:34:50 <perigrin> I would have thought *someone* in there is an asshat.
06:34:59 <nsh> .gc "mohammed is an asshat"
06:35:01 <phenny> "mohammed is an asshat": 0
06:35:03 <perigrin> .gc "I am an asshat"
06:35:06 <phenny> "I am an asshat": 4,080
06:35:09 <nsh> aha
06:35:24 <perigrin> hahah! Lot's of self derision!
06:35:31 <nsh> by simple maths, I am Jesus * 4,080
06:35:36 <perigrin> .gc "you are an asshat"
06:35:39 <phenny> "you are an asshat": 8,340
06:35:49 <perigrin> Yes ... and you are roughly twice that
06:35:53 <thelsdj> heheh, first bid on my nanowrimo outsourcing attempt: $4000
06:36:03 <perigrin> ROFL
06:36:12 <perigrin> doesn't outsourcing nanowrimo defeat the purpose?
06:36:34 <nsh> not if you make money
06:36:42 <perigrin> true
06:36:52 <thelsdj> perigrin: partly, yes, but the idea is for #swhack to do it collaberatively
06:36:55 <perigrin> So 4k ... that's Tom Wolfe responded then?
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06:36:59 <Monty> yo bjoern_!
06:37:09 <thelsdj> come up with story / outline and then have someone in india do the hard work
06:37:22 <bjoern_> But what does Monty have to do with the price of fish?
06:37:23 <Monty> (also, the frequency to deal
06:37:44 <perigrin> thelsdj, we could just have Monty write it
06:37:49 <Monty> You have no go knock on that, but in 1980 to Ruby-on-Rails as Yahoo and efficiently.
06:38:06 <perigrin> It would be a current-day techno thriller apparently
06:38:14 <nsh> Monty, whodunnit?
06:38:16 <Monty> What's the IPU logo...
06:38:27 <thelsdj> interestingly the $4000 bid actually guessed the purpose
06:38:31 <perigrin> involving fantastic creatures.
06:38:37 <thelsdj> i did not say nanowrimo in the project details
06:38:42 <thelsdj> just needed 50k words during november
06:39:06 <perigrin> well ... in all fairness ... how many people need 50K words in November?
06:39:12 <thelsdj> right :)
06:39:19 <thelsdj> just knowing about nanowrimo would make it an easy guess
06:39:23 <perigrin> right
06:39:35 <thelsdj> got another person asking for genre details
06:39:37 <nsh> so, this nanowrimo, it has prize?
06:39:40 <thelsdj> and whether i have an outline yet
06:40:13 <nsh> oh, everyone wins
06:40:21 <perigrin> genera details? present day techno triller with erisian-fantasty elements
06:40:31 <perigrin> didn't monty just establish that?
06:40:32 <Monty> Does talking about this bother you ?
06:40:43 <perigrin> .ety Fantasy
06:40:45 <nsh> elusive narration, too
06:40:46 <phenny> "c.1325, 'illusory appearance,' from O.Fr. fantasie, from L. phantasia, from Gk. phantasia 'appearance, image, perception, imagination,' from phantazesthai 'picture to oneself,' from phantos 'visible,' from phainesthai 'appear,' in late Gk. 'to imagine, have visions,' [...]" - http://etymonline.com/?term=Fantasy
06:40:46 <thelsdj> is person is a 'bestselling novelist' (the $4k bid)
06:41:09 <perigrin> from a third person personal or possibly first person impersonal PoV
06:41:38 <perigrin> hmm perhaps the IPU isn't fantastic ... since it being invisible doesn't "appear" or have an "appearance"
06:41:46 <perigrin> .ety Myth
06:41:48 <thelsdj> this is the person: http://www.storyfix.com/
06:41:48 <phenny> "1830, from Gk. mythos 'speech, thought, story, myth,' of unknown origin.Myths are 'stories about divine beings, generally arranged in a coherent system; they are revered as true and sacred; they are endorsed by rulers and priests; and closely linked to religion." - http://etymonline.com/?term=Myth
06:42:22 <perigrin> .gc "Larry Brooks"
06:42:25 <phenny> "Larry Brooks": 82,700
06:42:27 <perigrin> .wik Larry Brooks
06:42:27 <thelsdj> http://www.storyfix.com/aboutus.html
06:42:30 <phenny> "Lawrence Lee Brooks, Sr. (born June 10, 1950), is a former American Football defensive tackle for the Los Angeles Rams eleven seasons from 1972 to 1982 in the National Football League." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Brooks
06:42:37 <perigrin> .wik Larry Brooks author
06:42:37 <thelsdj> man i just want someone that looks like that to write my novel
06:42:40 <phenny> "Brooks is a surname, and may refer to many people." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brooks_(surname)
06:42:53 <nsh> "Storyfix.com transcends editing by applying a proven, proprietary
06:42:53 <nsh> developmental model to take your story to the next level.
06:43:03 <nsh> "... lame
06:43:14 <thelsdj> yea, and i don't think #swhack can come up with $4k
06:43:18 <thelsdj> so best to move on
06:43:58 <nsh> wait, we could pay him by letting him give us a list of things he'd spend $4k on, and improving it for him
06:44:00 <perigrin> yeah ... also I haven't heard of any of his bestselling books
06:44:14 <nsh> that way, the money he does make from idiots who think they might get published can be better used
06:44:31 <nsh> man, i should sleep; cranky
06:45:32 <thelsdj> i invited some people in india with cheap rates to bid on the project, but haven't heard from them yet
06:45:37 <perigrin> to be fair he probably does improve their works ... anybody who has done any writing at all can story edit tripe from people willing to plunk down 4K
06:46:15 <thelsdj> oooh
06:46:18 <nsh> i'm just jealous because i didn't think of it first. why write something, when you can copy-edit other people's work for money
06:46:20 <thelsdj> i think a mormon bid on it too!
06:46:26 <thelsdj> she has a byu email address!
06:46:33 <nsh> awesome
06:47:20 <perigrin> byu is a large university though
06:47:24 <thelsdj> she's an academic teaching prof
06:47:40 <perigrin> So ... defintiely something about the bitter fight between the FSM and the IPU
06:49:01 <thelsdj> anyone have a public wiki setup thatwe could use as a dumping site for story ideas?
06:56:09 <thelsdj> could do an IPU/FSM romance novel
06:57:06 <perigrin> it would just end up slash fic.
06:57:13 <perigrin> #shwack-slash
06:57:23 <thelsdj> thats fine, one guy i asked to bid on it does fan fiction!
06:57:33 <perigrin> ooh well then
06:57:37 <thelsdj> for like 4-5$/hr
06:57:41 <perigrin> I'm up for Monty/Phenny shippers
06:57:45 <Monty> admits responsibility for expostulatory wondersome distros!
06:57:45 <thelsdj> hehe
06:59:20 * sbp sends off a flurry of email to avoid having to do it later
06:59:30 <bjoern_> Happy beginning of the World Space Week.
06:59:46 <bjoern_> Speaking of the IPU, Happy World Animal Day.
06:59:46 <sbp> $4000?!
06:59:51 <sbp> Tom Wolfe... hehe
06:59:57 <thelsdj> sbp: for a 'bestselling author'
07:00:08 <sbp> yeah, so I see
07:00:17 <sbp> "I may be expensive, but I guess NaNoWriMo!"
07:00:17 <bjoern_> But who'd buy an author?
07:00:39 <sbp> I'll give you 25c for Ayn Rand. then we can keep her away from a pen
07:01:05 <sbp> (would've been better had I chosen a still-living author of course, but...)
07:01:06 <thelsdj> the other response was:
07:01:09 <thelsdj> "What is the intended audience, and what genre are you interested in (historical fiction, mystery, romance, etc...)? Do you have an outline or an idea?"
07:01:34 <sbp> say "historical mystery romance!"
07:01:38 <thelsdj> for the record the other one was:
07:01:41 <thelsdj> "I'm a bestselling novelist, nationally published by a major NY publisher. I also teach novel writing for many writing groups around the country. My budget for this would be $4000 -- is this within your reach? Is this part of the annual November Novel Writing contest, by the way? Thanks."
07:03:19 <bjoern_> Today:
07:03:21 <bjoern_> 1537 - The first complete English-language Bible (the Matthew Bible) is printed, with translations by William Tyndale and Miles Coverdale.
07:03:21 <bjoern_> 1582 - Pope Gregory XIII implements the Gregorian Calendar. In Italy, Poland, Portugal, and Spain, October 4 of this year is followed directly by October 15.
07:03:21 <bjoern_> 1957 - Launch of Sputnik I, the first artificial satellite to orbit the Earth.
07:03:21 <bjoern_> 1958 - Fifth Republic of France established.
07:03:22 <bjoern_> 1965 - The first Pope to ever visit the United States of America, Pope Paul VI arrives in New York.
07:03:24 <bjoern_> 1985 - Free Software Foundation is founded in Massachusetts, USA.
07:09:20 * sbp sends more email...
07:09:36 <thelsdj> sbp: NO, U !
07:09:59 <bjoern_> Apparently the voting scripts also collect money http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/04/us/politics/04paul.html?ref=politics
07:13:26 <thelsdj> .title http://youtube.com/watch?v=PcRF8HYvj2A
07:13:28 <phenny> thelsdj: YouTube - WIRED SCIENCE | What's Inside with Chris Hardwick | PBS
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07:17:02 <perigrin> steampunk mystery romance!
07:17:42 <thelsdj> mad scienctist wants to make IPU visible?
07:19:03 <thelsdj> (to make little PU babies with her)
07:19:24 <thelsdj> but he summons the vengeful FSM!
07:19:53 <perigrin> And Ada Lovelace saves the day
07:20:01 <thelsdj> great
07:20:40 <perigrin> Having seen Dragon Wars ... I believe we have the makings of a major motion picture in that too
07:20:50 <sbp> .title http://science.slashdot.org/science/07/10/04/0312246.shtml
07:20:53 <phenny> sbp: Slashdot | George Takei Now an Asteroid
07:21:06 <perigrin> Wow was that movie bad ... not the bits where they blew up LA ... but the bits where they couldn't stop talking and start blowing up LA.
07:21:25 <thelsdj> what was that movie where dragons attack London?
07:21:33 <sbp> this is good:
07:21:35 <sbp> .title http://it.slashdot.org/it/07/10/03/2232222.shtml
07:21:38 <phenny> sbp: Slashdot | Federal Government Inadvertently Deleted Ca.Gov
07:21:42 <perigrin> er ... I've seen it ... hold on
07:21:52 <sbp> ooh
07:21:54 <sbp> .title http://www.technologyreview.com/Infotech/19462/
07:21:59 <phenny> sbp: Technology Review: Gibson's Self-Tuning Guitar
07:21:59 <thelsdj> fire something?
07:22:10 <sbp> chuckle. "Dear Gibson, Slashdot really needs to review your guitar. We'll need several review units and we lost your return address."
07:22:17 <perigrin> Reign of Fire
07:22:22 <thelsdj> there we go
07:22:27 <perigrin> which was *worlds* better than Dragon War
07:22:31 <thelsdj> perigrin: how was dragon war compared?
07:22:35 <thelsdj> oh man
07:22:52 <perigrin> thelsdj, let's just say Dragon War was Manos the Hands of Fate quality
07:23:35 <perigrin> Attack of the Killer Tomatoes (first one not the second) quality
07:23:58 <perigrin> however ... they blew up bits of LA nicely
07:24:39 <thelsdj> probably not better than 'the day after tomorrow'
07:25:09 <perigrin> and my daughter made the movie when we were watching the Giant Tank Dragons (think ankleosauras with cannons on their back) were storming donw the street
07:25:19 <perigrin> she leans over and says "Dad ... they're vegetarians"
07:25:25 <thelsdj> hahahah
07:25:32 <perigrin> Giant evil herbevores!
07:25:40 <perigrin> (but spelt better)
07:25:46 <perigrin> herbivores
07:26:59 <perigrin> Reign of Fire was bad in a "Well that was bad" kind fo way ... Dragon Wars was bad in a "Who the hell let this get past the editing suite?" kind of way
07:27:22 <perigrin> s/editing suite/script review/
07:28:34 <perigrin> when Robert Forster is your big name actor ... you've got issues (http://imdb.com/name/nm0001233/)
07:30:53 <thelsdj> aw, robert forster rocks
07:31:13 <perigrin> yes but you rarely depend on him for his "star" quality
07:31:34 <perigrin> unless your male lead's best known work is a European chewing gum commercial
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07:32:28 <thelsdj> mmm sexy-python
07:34:36 <sbp> "The Lord Mayor of Belfast has apologised to a council worker left with back injuries after he tried to leapfrog her during a photoshoot." - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/7026851.stm
07:35:02 <sbp> the link text is the best so far today
07:35:04 <sbp> "Leapfrogging mayor injures woman dressed as tomato"
07:35:36 <perigrin> better than being dressed as a tart I suppose
07:35:44 <sbp> heh, heh
07:36:36 <sbp> "SCOTTISH tourism officials are concerned that the falling number of Loch Ness monster sightings and scepticism are affecting the number of visitors to the region." - http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,22518131-5006339,00.html?from=mostpop
07:37:41 <bjoern_> That's nothing the creationists couldn't fix.
07:37:43 <sbp> oh man...
07:37:43 <bjoern_> OMG IT LIVED ALONGSIDE JESUS!
07:37:49 <sbp> bjoern_, you're gonna love this:
07:37:50 <sbp> .title http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2007/10/03/email-crisis-strikes-homeland-security/
07:37:53 <phenny> sbp: Washington Wire - WSJ.com : Email Crisis Strikes Homeland Security
07:38:02 <sbp> (if you haven't seen it already. and even if you have)
07:38:25 <sbp> "One insider that was interviewed said ‘We should all be able to sleep soundly knowing that this group may be the one of the lines of defense in the protection of our nation.’"
07:43:19 <bjoern_> Well over here the anti-terror people like to send their latest terror reports to mailing lists intended for press releases
07:44:26 <roundaboutisscru> .title http://goatse.ca
07:44:29 <phenny> roundaboutisscru: Goatse.ca
07:44:50 <perigrin> it is what it is
07:45:10 <sbp> this is fun: http://www.wallettest.com/Lost_Wallet_Test/Results_Page.html
07:45:11 <thelsdj> yes
07:45:42 <perigrin> actually those results are in line with a chapter in Freakanomics ...
07:45:49 <sbp> [[[
07:45:50 <sbp> America is now a nation of 300 million people, wielding more influence than any people in human history, and yet this influence is being steadily corrupted, and is surely waning, because 240 million of these people apparently believe that Jesus will return someday and orchestrate the end of the world with his magic powers.
07:45:56 <sbp> ]]] - http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/sam_harris/2007/10/the_problem_with_atheism.html
07:47:00 <roundaboutisscru> Monty: This name sucks give me a better one
07:47:03 <Monty> 120D7: CUNEIFORM SIGN AA (???) - Unicode "LATIN CAPITAL U !
07:47:15 <sbp> [[[
07:47:16 <sbp> I think that “atheist” is a term that we do not need, in the same way that we don’t need a word for someone who rejects astrology. We simply do not call people “non-astrologers.” All we need are words like “reason” and “evidence” and “common sense” and “bullshit” to put astrologers in their place, and so it could be with religion.
07:47:16 <sbp> ]]]
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07:47:46 <thelsdj> Monty: gimme a new name
07:47:46 <Monty> I am not interested in names.
07:47:57 <thelsdj> Monty: plzkthx
07:47:59 <Monty> You must snog cheeks.
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07:48:43 <sbp> hahaha:
07:48:44 <sbp> [[[
07:48:44 <sbp> Another problem is that in accepting a label, particularly the label of “atheist,” it seems to me that we are consenting to be viewed as a cranky sub-culture. We are consenting to be viewed as a marginal interest group that meets in hotel ballrooms. I’m not saying that meetings like this aren’t important.
07:48:45 <sbp> ]]]
07:49:26 <perigrin> Well but by definiton if they only make up 60 million of 300 million ... and they're cranky about it ...
07:49:50 <perigrin> I mean really call it like it is buddy ... it's not like you meet in churches ...
07:49:57 <cuneiformsigneaa> I'm athiest I guess but it's more because of apathy
07:50:33 <snogcheeks> heheh: http://worsethanfailure.com/Comments/Multiple-Choice.aspx
07:50:41 <snogcheeks> i'm agnostic due to apathy
07:50:50 <sbp> [[[
07:50:51 <sbp> Mormonism, it seems to me, is—objectively—just a little more idiotic than Christianity is. It has to be: because it is Christianity plus some very stupid ideas. For instance, the Mormons think Jesus is going to return to earth and administer his Thousand years of Peace, at least part of the time, from the state of Missouri.
07:50:52 <sbp> ]]]
07:51:28 <cuneiformsigneaa> I bought and lost an awesome book about Religious Literacy
07:51:43 <snogcheeks> .wik Cultural Literacy
07:51:47 <phenny> "Cultural literacy is the ability to converse fluently in the idioms, allusions and informal content which creates and constitutes a dominant culture." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_literacy
07:51:53 <snogcheeks> .wik Cultural Literacy (book)
07:51:56 <phenny> "Eric Donald Hirsch, Jr. (born March 22, 1928) is a U.S. educator and academic literary critic." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E.D._Hirsch
07:52:06 <cuneiformsigneaa> Total fail
07:52:10 <snogcheeks> yea
07:52:17 <cuneiformsigneaa> Sup snogcheeks
07:52:36 <snogcheeks> Yo cuneiformsigneaa
07:52:48 <cuneiformsigneaa> phenny: tell thelsdj that d8uv totally wins.
07:52:51 <phenny> cuneiformsigneaa: I'll pass that on when thelsdj is around.
07:52:52 <snogcheeks> still SL'n at all?
07:52:59 <perigrin> I read one about technology and gnostic religions ... was really fascinating.
07:53:01 <cuneiformsigneaa> Allencompassingly
07:53:18 <snogcheeks> pwnilicious
07:54:07 <snogcheeks> got any ideas for our outsourced nanowrimo story?
07:54:18 <cuneiformsigneaa> No
07:54:23 <snogcheeks> Thanks
07:55:50 <perigrin> The struggles of atheists against the overwhelming majorities of the IPU and FSM faithful ...
07:55:59 <perigrin> a romance in six parts
07:56:05 <perigrin> with pirates
07:57:46 <perigrin> and lasers
07:57:50 <perigrin> p-choo
08:03:09 <sbp> man, this article is so funny
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08:03:32 <sbp> turns out the guy is a mystic, but he doesn't want to use that label of course
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08:06:03 <sbp> done. that was an awesome article
08:06:41 <sbp> S.S. War Penguin: http://www.gravestmor.com/strips/dazzle_01.jpg
08:07:04 <sbp> pigeondeer: http://michaelpsilva.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/Inaoka_evolution_deer.jpg
08:07:19 <sbp> girlmoose: http://bp2.blogger.com/_VSERl_Xj93Y/Rur7VYR9xiI/AAAAAAAAAWg/JCvD9GctufU/s400/blyerts+med+f%C3%A4rg.jpg
08:07:34 <sbp> Hey, Let's Build! http://www.manystuff.org/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/harrington.png
08:07:50 <sbp> and today's utterly awesome last-but-not-least:
08:07:51 <sbp> http://digilander.libero.it/guido_1953/pics/hotpants/girl-hotpants-06-nadia-cassini.jpg
08:08:19 <snogcheeks> the craigslist 'telecommuting' search checkbox is broken, seems like 2 out of 5 of the telecommuting search results say 'please no telecommuting'
08:08:38 <JibberJim> whoa, love the name!
08:09:15 <cuneiformsigneaa> Thanks Monty is good at picking them
08:09:17 <Monty> Fact: Englishmen closes evaluative tricycles.
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08:09:55 <snogcheeks> Monty: new name plzkthx
08:09:56 <Monty> nope, and expediate."
08:10:10 <snogcheeks> Monty: you can do better than that
08:10:10 <Monty> much higher
08:10:16 <evaluativetricyc> Monty: new name omgwtf
08:10:17 <Monty> ??? ??? ?????? is false
08:10:18 <snogcheeks> Monty: yes, much better
08:10:18 <Monty> okay
08:10:26 <snogcheeks> Monty: damnit, gimme something good
08:10:27 <evaluativetricyc> Monty: new name potsfucker
08:10:27 <Monty> screw you
08:10:29 <Monty> I reckon packages + chains = gullible RandFig...
08:10:37 <snogcheeks> Monty: i give up
08:10:40 <Monty> mkay, ill feeling,' from back injuries after 606
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08:10:59 <screwyou> Come on screwyou is a great name
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08:12:02 <screwyou> also zzzz
08:14:49 * sbp sends WL the atheism article link
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08:22:21 <snogcheeks> http://crunchgear.com/2007/10/03/the-old-i-dont-know-where-this-porno-came-from-defense-alive-and-well/
08:22:30 <sbp> .gc clichemonster
08:22:33 <phenny> clichemonster: 227
08:22:37 <sbp> .gc +clichémonster
08:22:40 <phenny> +clichémonster: 1
08:23:23 <sbp> the picture on the linked article is better
08:23:24 <sbp> http://www.wkyc.com/assetpool/images/0710311119_matthewbarrett300x225.jpg
08:23:41 <sbp> that's just a great portrait to have of someone being investigated for displaying porn to high school kids
08:24:02 <bjoern_> ...
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08:25:14 <snogcheeks> i like the whitespace
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08:28:31 <snogcheeks> Monty: ok, i'll take another go, new name plz
08:28:32 <Monty> I've told you before, I don't care about names.
08:28:39 * snogcheeks cries
08:28:59 <bjoern_> you deserved it.
08:31:07 <snogcheeks> Monty: you sure you don't care about names?
08:31:10 <Monty> | Suspected Wikipedia sockpuppets of America, Pope Paul VI arrives in g
08:31:22 <snogcheeks> oh man, too many choices in there
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08:31:39 <wikisockpope> this should do for now
08:37:06 <sbp> .ety tomfoolery
08:37:09 <phenny> Can't find the etymology for "tomfoolery". Try http://etymonline.com/?search=tomfoolery
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08:37:52 <sbp> "[f. prec. after FOOLERY.] "
08:38:02 <sbp> it's quite a late word, according to the OED
08:38:12 <sbp> "1799 SOUTHEY Nondescripts viii, A man he is by nature merry, Somewhat Tom-foolish, and comical, very."
08:41:56 <sbp> the noun, Tom-fool, is of course old though
08:42:08 <sbp> older than I thought. '1356-7 Durham Acc. Rolls (Surtees) 719 Pro funeracione Thome Fole [from 1337 frequently mentioned as ‘Thomas fatuus’].'
08:53:58 <Talliesin> I'm sure everyone's already seen this long-ago, but all the same:
08:53:58 <Talliesin> http://www.apa.org/journals/features/psp7761121.pdf
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09:01:05 <bjoern_> Sulu got his own asteroid
09:07:26 <sbp> totally already noted that
09:08:30 <sbp> Talliesin: yup, seen that
09:08:40 <bjoern_> No! You were noting George Takei.
09:09:28 <sbp> oh! so there's an asteroid named "Sulu" now too?
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09:11:08 <bjoern_> Perhaps! But the point is that nobody knows George Takei!
09:11:23 <sbp> surely William Shatner knows him?
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09:12:18 <sbp> Subject: All Asstraffic
09:12:30 <bjoern_> ...
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09:28:47 <bjoern_> '''A high school bans backpacks as a security measure. This also includes purses, which inconveniences girls who need to carry menstrual supplies. So now, girls who are carrying purses get asked by police: "Are you on your period?"''' - http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2007/10/blowback_from_b.html
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09:31:15 <sbp> ...
09:31:58 <sbp> bwahaha. I love the comment
09:32:36 <sbp> [[[
09:32:37 <sbp> The small Sullivan County school has been in an uproar for the last week. Girls have worn tampons on their clothes in protest, and purses made out of tampon boxes. Some boys wore maxi-pads stuck to their shirts in support.
09:32:40 <sbp> ]]] - from the linked article
09:33:04 <bjoern_> pix plz
09:33:28 <sbp> "Bunce was forced to retire from the Monticello Police Department in 2002 after he and the former chief were caught running their process-serving business on village time."
09:33:43 <sbp> (the security guard who asked the question)
09:34:46 <bjoern_> "The Flintstones are adapting faster than the Jetsons." - http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2007/10/ieds_in_iraq.html
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09:41:01 <sbp> bjoern_: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/37/POB.jpg
09:41:15 <bjoern_> help?
09:41:26 <sbp> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pob%27s_Programme
09:41:33 <bjoern_> it's scary
09:41:41 <sbp> yeah. I just like showing people it
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10:01:59 <bjoern_> "Secret U.S. Endorsement of Severe Interrogations" - http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/04/washington/04interrogate.html
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10:13:36 <perigrin> not very secret if they have it in the NY Times
10:19:29 <darobin> well, the NYT is read by what, 27 people?
10:19:43 <sbp> all of whom are in the NSA
10:19:49 <darobin> 19 of which are in East Manhattan, the rest on the Internet
10:19:51 <darobin> right
10:20:01 <darobin> whom
10:20:17 <sbp> doze crazee whomez
10:24:35 <sbp> .gc "rotation in the sub-polar gyre"
10:24:38 <phenny> "rotation in the sub-polar gyre": 1
10:24:42 <bjoern_> "From the secret sites in Afghanistan, Thailand and Eastern Europe where C.I.A. teams held Qaeda terrorists, questions for the lawyers at C.I.A. headquarters arrived daily. Nervous interrogators wanted to know: Are we breaking the laws against torture?"
10:24:50 <JibberJim> hidden in plain site perigrin
10:24:56 <bjoern_> That's an interesting question to ask...
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10:26:29 <bjoern_> "He recalled agency officers asking: “These approved techniques, say, withholding food, and 50-degree temperature — can they be combined?” Or “Do I have to do the less extreme before the more extreme?”"
10:26:53 <bjoern_> Maybe they should outsource this to people slightly more qualified.
10:27:03 <bjoern_> Oh wait, that idea already occured to them...
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10:41:45 <bjoern_> .gc "Wii condom"
10:41:48 <phenny> "Wii condom": 374
10:41:53 <sbp> .gc Wiidom
10:41:55 <phenny> Wiidom: 4,330
10:42:16 <bjoern_> .gc Wiidom fries
10:42:19 <phenny> Wiidom fries: 2
10:44:10 <bjoern_> .gc vituperative
10:44:13 <phenny> vituperative: 280,000
10:51:49 <darobin> wow
10:52:09 <darobin> I had no idea that there was so much vituperation going on
10:53:08 <darobin> where's that article from bjoern_?
10:54:17 <bjoern_> which article?
10:54:48 <darobin> the CIA stuff you were just quoting
10:55:13 <bjoern_> <bjoern_> "Secret U.S. Endorsement of Severe Interrogations" - http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/04/washington/04interrogate.html
10:55:31 <darobin> ah, sorry, didn't see that
10:55:38 <darobin> ta
10:55:42 <bjoern_> yeah you joined right after...
10:55:57 <darobin> silly me
11:17:24 <sbp> inconsiderate joinage
11:17:31 <bjoern_> .title http://www.shortnews.com/start.cfm?id=65371
11:17:36 <phenny> bjoern_: Man Executed After Court Refuses to Remain Open for Extra 20 Minutes to Hear Appeal
11:18:41 <sbp> comment: "Perhaps his lawyers should have appealed within the last 20 years!"
11:19:42 <sbp> .calc 50 F in C
11:19:43 <phenny> 50 degrees Fahrenheit = 10 degrees Celsius
11:20:01 <sbp> I don't really see how that constitutes as torture
11:20:07 <sbp> unless they're naked or something
11:20:13 <sbp> but even then you could probably just about get by
11:20:24 <darobin> isn't that 50C?
11:20:33 <sbp> :-)
11:20:44 <bjoern_> I personally believe, there are people, in the Iraq, who don't have guns!
11:20:46 <bjoern_> .title http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/03/AR2007100302464.html
11:20:47 <phenny> bjoern_: Iraqis to Pay China $100 Million for Weapons for Police - washingtonpost.com
11:20:50 <darobin> because that will get to you
11:21:19 <bjoern_> "Iraq has ordered $100 million worth of light military equipment from China for its police force, contending that the United States was unable to provide the materiel and is too slow to deliver arms shipments, Iraqi President Jalal Talabani said yesterday."
11:22:02 <sbp> odd. they never had any problem with the supplies from the US under Saddam
11:22:58 <bjoern_> Well more recently, the U.S. stopped the U.N in the last minute destroying weapons from the kosovo war, and sold them off to Iraq...
11:23:09 <bjoern_> So you kinda should have seen this coming
11:23:19 <darobin> including landmines?
11:23:46 <bjoern_> That's a good question, I don't know.
11:24:19 <bjoern_> But hey, we could always check the carefully doctored paperwork and see.
11:24:24 <sbp> hehe
11:25:51 <bjoern_> .wik He 2-47
11:25:52 <phenny> "Agent '47' (or 'Mr. 47') is a fictional character and playable protagonist of the Hitman video game series." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agent_47
11:26:00 <bjoern_> hmm
11:26:17 <sbp> .wik Agent 99
11:26:20 <phenny> "Agent 99 is a fictional spy portrayed by Barbara Feldon on the 1960s television series Get Smart." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agent_99
11:27:07 <bjoern_> "(revival ran January 15, 1995-February 1995)" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Get_Smart
11:27:14 <bjoern_> Gotta wonder why they canceled it...
11:54:12 <sbp> .gc EQUAEVERPOISE
11:54:15 <phenny> EQUAEVERPOISE: 64
11:55:28 <sbp> "Science will eventually learn that the mysterious Aurora Borealis is caused by the transformation of extraneous substances into digestible gases for ingress at the North Pole and that the Aurora Australis is the effect of discharged gases from the South Pole." - Alfred Lawson
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11:56:24 <bjoern_> NO
11:57:46 <sbp> I wonder why he thought they come in at the *north* and not the south?
11:58:41 <sbp> I mean, is that northocentrism + ingressocentrism, or is it southocentrism + egressocentrism?
11:58:52 <bjoern_> yes.
11:58:56 <sbp> I'd guess the former given that he's a northern hemispherite
11:59:30 <sbp> ∴ Lawsonomy is ingressocentric?
12:00:55 <bjoern_> .pc ̈̈̈ö
12:00:57 <phenny> 0308: COMBINING DIAERESIS (◌̈)
12:01:01 <phenny> 0308: COMBINING DIAERESIS (◌̈)
12:01:04 <phenny> 0308: COMBINING DIAERESIS (◌̈)
12:01:09 <bjoern_> odd
12:01:10 <sbp> that's pretty broken here
12:01:21 <sbp> the first diaeresis displays above the o just fine
12:01:31 <bjoern_> .pc ö
12:01:34 <sbp> but then the others are offset left and up, though stacked normally amongst themselves
12:01:35 <phenny> 006F: LATIN SMALL LETTER O (o)
12:01:38 <phenny> 0308: COMBINING DIAERESIS (◌̈)
12:01:56 <bjoern_> that's better is it not.
12:02:03 <sbp> well yeah, but there's only one
12:02:20 <bjoern_> there weren't meant to be multiple, don't know where those are from...
12:02:40 <sbp> well now I'm intrigued
12:02:41 <sbp> ö̈̈
12:02:46 <sbp> that looks alright to me
12:02:53 <sbp> .pc ö̈̈
12:02:56 <phenny> 006F: LATIN SMALL LETTER O (o)
12:02:59 <phenny> 0308: COMBINING DIAERESIS (◌̈)
12:03:02 <phenny> 0308: COMBINING DIAERESIS (◌̈)
12:03:07 <sbp> oh, I'll bet yours was space, comb, comb, comb, o, comb
12:03:13 <sbp> right. that makes sense
12:03:56 <bjoern_> for my first one I see . p c <a small overline> space ö
12:04:32 <bjoern_> o͠͡ʹ͵̴̵̶̷̸̮̯̰̱̲̳̹̻̓͂
12:04:53 <bjoern_> έ̡̯̮̭̬̞̝̟̠̀́͂͂̓̈́ͅ
12:05:16 * bjoern_ stops before the clients start crashing...
12:05:22 <darobin> "Most porn is junk sex, made on an industrial scale, in porn factories. What I think we all need is ethical, homemade, organic porn. Real porn. Slow porn. The kind of porn Jamie Oliver would make a programme about." -- http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/caitlin_moran/article2509148.ece
12:05:59 <bjoern_> post it to youporn if you got any.
12:06:46 <bjoern_> Hmm there is ❶❷❸❹❺❻❼❽❾❿➊➋➌➍➎➏➐➑➒➓ with two 10s but no 0.
12:07:38 <darobin> the article is about youporn
12:08:00 <bjoern_> ㋛
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12:25:44 <bjoern_> .title http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Coulter_If_we_took_away_womens_1003.html
12:25:46 <phenny> bjoern_: The Raw Story | Coulter: If we took away women's right to vote, we'd never have to worry about Dems
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12:39:36 <edsu> is that eye patch a new accessory?
12:40:32 <bjoern_> must be, it's not on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Ann_Coulter_wikiworld.jpg
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13:09:57 <kpreid> "For example, customers should be able to view and add items to their shopping cart even if disks are failing, network routes are flapping, or data centers are being destroyed by tornados." -- http://www.allthingsdistributed.com/2007/10/amazons_dynamo.html
13:17:47 *** sbp changed the topic to: "Wobbly Russians are having “special snuggles” in the kitchen"
13:19:20 <sbp> "Movie sex seems incredibly driven and serious – a bit like two business rivals playing a high-stakes game of squash, but with lingerie."
13:19:32 <sbp> I must read Caitlin Moran more often
13:24:12 <sbp> hey, she doesn't like M&S's sushi
13:24:24 <sbp> she should've tried the crap you had to get on the high-street beforehand...
13:25:06 <sbp> then again, she's a Londoner
13:31:06 <sbp> I'm tempted to write to Caitlin Moran saying "I wanna have your babies!"
13:31:13 <sbp> but I think she'd just reply "Fine! Take them!"
13:31:32 <laplink> heh
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13:43:34 <jsled> "(If only someone would invent a transparent bulletproof backpack. Then our children would finally be safe!)" - http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2007/10/blowback_from_b.html
13:43:47 <sbp> jsled: see also the first comment
13:43:51 <sbp> which is even funnier
13:44:03 <sbp> especially since I have the sneaking suspicion that they just might have been serious
13:44:28 <jsled> Oh man. I really should read backscroll. :/
13:44:49 <sbp> lots more gems just like that one, indeed!
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13:57:58 <Arnia> Huh, Roger McGough is doing the 2007 St Cuthbert's Society Fellow's Lecture
13:58:05 <Arnia> Didn't realise he was in Cuth's
14:01:35 <sbp> .gc ploinkety
14:01:37 <phenny> ploinkety: 2
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14:25:53 <Monty> sbp: You asked me to remind you to find Jim a 33-year old
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14:34:29 <jsled> We all need a personal moon: http://www.makezine.com/blog/archive/2007/10/personal_moon.html?CMP=OTC-0D6B48984890
14:41:38 <bjoern_> I iz backz
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14:45:04 <sbp> I have to find Jim a 33-year old? man, I don't remember that
14:45:31 <Talliesin> jsled: Only if it can wax and wane.
14:45:33 <sbp> 2005-10-04 14:26:25 <sbp> Monty: remind me in 730 days to find Jim a 33-year old
14:45:35 <Monty> "Islands On the subject
14:45:59 <sbp> Monty: remind me in 730 days to find Jim a 33-year old. or a 35-year old, perhaps
14:46:00 <Monty> sbp: Okay, I'll remind you about that on Sat Oct 03 15:46:34 BST 2009
14:46:18 <Arnia_> Grr... the wireless router keeps crashing
14:46:34 * Arnia_ boings in an annoyed fashion
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14:46:54 <bjoern_> whoa sbp, where do I sign upz? I take 18-27 year olds.
14:48:05 * nwalsh mentally computes (age/2)+7 then recalls that he's married and moves on to other things
14:48:08 <phenny> nwalsh: 20 Sep 16:47Z <sbp> ask nwalsh how he prepared the map on http://norman.walsh.name/2007/09/19/sailing with the, presumably, GPS waypoints
14:48:46 <nwalsh> With GPX Google, sbp, http://norman.walsh.name/2006/06/20/gpxGoogle
14:49:49 <Talliesin> The age/2 + 7 think always makes me think of http://xkcd.com/55/
14:49:59 <Talliesin> More so than the one he actually did on age/2 + 7
14:50:53 <nwalsh> I'm sure I got age/2+7 from xkcd but not from 55. It occurs somewhere more recently.
14:51:26 <Talliesin> Yes, but that one's not as good.
14:51:35 <sbp> nwalsh: gpxgoogle: oh: thanks!
14:51:48 <nwalsh> There it is, Talliesin, #314
14:51:53 <Talliesin> age/2 + 7 is quite popular amongst the local people-who-overthink-dating crowd in these parts.
14:52:13 * nwalsh has been married (almost) since he *was* age/2+7
14:52:58 * nwalsh wanders off for an hour to beat his XProc WG into resolving last call issues
14:53:06 <Talliesin> I've been married slightly longer than that.
14:53:18 <Talliesin> But only a couple years to go and I can get a divorce.
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15:19:01 <jsled> Wow. I thought the new calc-mode in emacs-22 was a regression, but I just hadn't read the help for it.
15:21:26 <jsled> I was totally wrong. It's quite powerful.
15:22:59 <jsled> For instance I copied/pasted a column of numbers from a database ... I was just able to select it and say C-x * : to get the sum.
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15:26:31 <Arnia> .time
15:26:33 <phenny> Thu, 04 Oct 2007 15:27:07 GMT
15:26:58 <Arnia> Just checking... Hollyoaks just came on and I was wondering if my clock went wrong
15:33:49 <sbp> .t
15:33:50 <sbp> .tok
15:33:52 <sbp> .tock
15:33:52 <phenny> Thu Oct 4 16:34:27 BST 2007
15:33:55 <phenny> "Thu, 04 Oct 2007 15:34:29 GMT" - tycho.usno.navy.mil
15:42:36 <wikisockpope> hmmm, even though outsourcing nanowrimo is already cheating, it would seem worse if the ghost writer was allowed to start writing before the beginning of november
15:42:48 <bjoern_> .title http://en.rian.ru/science/20071004/82444631.html
15:42:51 <bjoern_> the pix is great
15:42:55 <phenny> bjoern_: RIA Novosti - Science & Technologies - Russian scientists excited about pregnant cockroaches
15:43:42 <Arnia> ...
15:44:25 <sbp> this is great for quoting out of context
15:44:27 <sbp> for example:
15:44:28 <sbp> [[[
15:44:29 <sbp> "In the next few days we are expecting two female 'cosmonauts' to give birth to the world's first offspring conceived in microgravity," Dmitry Atyakshin said.
15:44:29 <sbp> He said the two expectant mothers are being kept in a separate tank under constant expert monitoring.
15:44:29 <sbp> ]]]
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15:48:19 <wikisockpope> (someone on elance.com is calling the 30 day timespan 'stringent')
15:49:06 <sbp> heh!
15:49:12 <sbp> also agreed that it's cheating
15:49:20 <sbp> hiring an author, on the other hand, is merely outsourcing
15:49:26 <sbp> it's what all the cool companies do
15:49:27 <wikisockpope> "Could you please tell me the topic on which you need the book to be written and if its ok to tell, why the stringent time period?"
15:49:40 <sbp> okay, how about this:
15:50:18 <bjoern_> Good. I like silence, generally speaking.
15:50:24 <sbp> "I am expecting to have an extra-long period of menstrual calmness due to some wonky hormone tablets that I bought off of the black market, and I can only have someone bust out a novel for me when I am physically pure."
15:51:23 <jsled> lol
15:51:43 <sbp> if they reply and say that women are only pure *when* they're menstruating, scream something about being a heathen at them and then break off all contact
15:53:03 <wikisockpope> what about if they question my femininity?
15:53:33 <sbp> nobody would do such a thing to a lady
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15:54:05 <bjoern_> .title http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/main.jhtml?view=DETAILS&grid=A1YourView&xml=/sport/2007/10/04/umsportadd104.xml
15:54:18 <phenny> bjoern_: Lewis Hamilton faces penalty for 's*** job' - Telegraph
15:54:27 <sbp> grumble, yeah. I heard about that
15:54:31 <sbp> I'm not impressed
15:54:49 <sbp> I was thinking *at the time* that Webber was doing a cack job. it's his choice of distance
15:55:08 <bjoern_> "The incident was not picked up by TV cameras, but a clip on YouTube shows Hamilton veering wide on the track before Vettel is seen crashing into the back of Webber on lap 45. The video clip, which is thought to have prompted the investigation, has since been removed from the website."
15:55:12 <sbp> you can't really control how far behind you someone is. especially when you're stuck behind the pace car
15:55:17 <wikisockpope> all these people are asking for specifics of the novel subject, still can't quite decide
15:55:32 <wikisockpope> though ada lovelace saving the world from evil FSM is pretty high on my list
15:55:42 <sbp> hahaha
15:56:24 <sbp> (pace car? safety car...)
15:56:30 <sbp> odd creeping Americanism there
15:57:11 <wikisockpope> .wik Pace Car
15:57:14 <phenny> "In motorsport, a safety car or pace car is a car which limits the speed of competing cars on a racetrack in the case of a caution period such as a major accident or obstruction on the track." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pace_Car
15:57:18 <wikisockpope> .wik Saftey car
15:57:22 <phenny> "In motorsport, a safety car or pace car is a car which limits the speed of competing cars on a racetrack in the case of a caution period such as a major accident or obstruction on the track." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safety_car
15:57:34 <Arnia> phenny, tell chimize that he may find http://acl.ldc.upenn.edu/W/W06/W06-3317.pdf interesting (and explain our conversation two years ago where I asserted that NAL was significant even in domains like biological knowledge)
15:57:36 <phenny> Arnia: I'll pass that on when chimize is around.
15:57:49 * Arnia needs new glasses
15:59:03 <Arnia> Well, new lenses. I don't want new frames
15:59:17 <sbp> in Indycar I always heard 'em call it the pace car
15:59:22 <sbp> in F1, always the safety car
16:02:01 <sbp> camp word of the day: frou-frou
16:02:29 <sbp> 'The name "Frou Frou" (pronounced "froo froo") is derived from the 1870 Rimbaud poem, "Ma Bohème," and is French onomatopoeia for the swishing noise made by skirts on dancing women. [...] Frou-Frou is also the name of Count Vronsky's tragic horse in Tolstoy's Anna Karenina.' - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frou_Frou
16:06:44 <Arnia> .gc "tragic horse"
16:06:48 <phenny> "tragic horse": 2,120
16:11:56 <bjoern_> .gc "tragic pony"
16:12:21 <phenny> "tragic pony": 20
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16:12:22 <Arnia> .gc "pathetic horse"
16:12:38 <sbp> .gc "bathetic horse"
16:12:44 <sbp> .gc "intensional horse"
16:12:49 <phenny> "pathetic horse": 595
16:12:49 <sbp> phenny!
16:12:54 <wikisockpope> maybe i can find someone who's already planning on doing nanowrimo
16:12:54 <phenny> "bathetic horse": 1
16:12:57 <Arnia> .gc "ostensive horse"
16:12:58 <phenny> "intensional horse": 4
16:13:05 <phenny> sbp!
16:13:09 <phenny> "ostensive horse": 2
16:13:16 <sbp> wikisockpope: nope, because then you'd just be sponsoring them!
16:13:37 <Talliesin> Ah frou-frou
16:13:38 <wikisockpope> well, they would have to agree to write our story, and take our notes
16:13:43 <Talliesin> Nothing like frou-frou petticoats
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16:14:41 <bjoern_> .gc "vituperative horse"
16:14:56 <phenny> "vituperative horse": 1
16:15:11 <Talliesin> .gc vituperative horse
16:15:13 <phenny> vituperative horse: 87,700
16:15:17 <Talliesin> :(
16:15:43 <wikisockpope> sbp: what about someone who has previously done nanowrimo, but hasn't yet said they would do it this year?
16:15:50 <Arnia> Insight of the Day: MapReduce is similar to the GAMMA model. Must investigate.
16:15:58 <wikisockpope> sbp: surely then it would only be job experience?
16:16:02 <jsled> .wik gamma model
16:16:04 <sbp> wikisockpope: yeah, that'd be fine
16:16:25 <Arnia> .g "multiset programming" gamma
16:16:41 <jsled> god DAMNIT phenny.
16:16:50 <Arnia> damit!
16:16:56 <sbp> YES PHENNY
16:17:01 <bjoern_> phenny, de "damit"?
16:17:04 <sbp> YOU FUCKED UP LITTLE KEG OF INSOLENCE
16:17:21 <bjoern_> DONT BE SHITRUDE MAN
16:17:26 <sbp> ô sry
16:17:34 <xover> .gc "keg of insolence"
16:17:44 <phenny> "multiset programming" gamma: http://citeseer.ist.psu.edu/193706.html
16:17:44 <phenny> "In statistics, empirical Bayes methods are a class of methods which use empirical data to evaluate / approximate the conditional probability distributions that arise from Bayes' theorem." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empirical_Bayes_method
16:17:44 <phenny> "keg of insolence": 0
16:17:45 <phenny> bjoern_: "thus" (de)
16:17:46 <sbp> bia must be sick again
16:18:03 <Arnia> "In order to more effectively apply it to the AGI problem, I have created an intermediate formalism called SMEPH (Self-Modifying, Evolving Probabilistic Hypergraphs)." -- http://www.novamente.net/file/AAAI06.pdf
16:18:16 <Arnia> Talk about a complicated concept name
16:18:42 <sbp> SMEPH
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16:18:53 * Arnia smephs sbp
16:19:00 <sbp> smeph
16:19:05 <sbp> it's so delightfully nasal
16:19:15 <Arnia> but it is no SHITRUDE
16:19:19 <Arnia> or herft
16:19:20 <sbp> no
16:20:04 <Arnia> Pineapple and lemonade... good hangover cure
16:20:28 <Arnia> Does anyone know why hangovers get worse later in the afternoon of the next day?
16:20:37 <sbp> or you could travel back in time and confiscate your own drink
16:20:48 <sbp> high sun, more dehydration?
16:21:08 <wikisockpope> SHEMP
16:21:18 <wikisockpope> .gc shitrude
16:21:18 <phenny> shitrude: 8
16:21:21 <Arnia> Oh I don't regret last night... had a lot of fun. I'd already written today off before I went out
16:22:12 <Arnia> Also, I'm not sure how much of how I feel is what I drank (because I didn't mix my drinks which is what generally causes my hangovers) and how much is me coming down with freshers' flu
16:22:44 <sbp> how many freshers did you snog?
16:22:50 <Arnia> I hope this is a hangover and not whatever bug is this year's freshers' flu
16:22:58 <Arnia> sbp: no comment
16:23:01 <sbp> hehe
16:23:42 <Arnia> I had a very angry girl last night scream at me that I was a waster because I wasn't suffering enough
16:23:53 <sbp> ...what?
16:24:03 <Arnia> Which was very surreal in hindsight. Made me upset at the time though
16:24:23 <wikisockpope> was she suffering enough?
16:24:37 <Arnia> sbp: because I have a southern accent, I'm obviously rich and wasting my family's money doing a PhD without having a job apart from the PhD
16:24:59 <sbp> oh dear. yeah, fresher fuckwittedness
16:25:09 <sbp> I got that once from someone who moaned that I had a car
16:25:50 <Arnia> I should be supporting my family more apparently... I tried to point out that I'd have a nervous breakdown if I tried to self-fund my PhD on top of the PhD work and apparently I'm just a selfish bastard who has never had any real problems.
16:26:22 <Arnia> Never met someone with such a chip on their shoulder
16:26:37 <Arnia> I should write them into a book
16:26:51 <sbp> or have them be ingested into the book
16:27:02 <Arnia> Book? Here boy!
16:27:24 <sbp> .gc Bibucerberus
16:27:26 <phenny> Bibucerberus: 0
16:27:53 <Arnia> Thing is, she didn't know me and she started screaming at me when I was with friends. I consider that to be SHITRUDE
16:28:25 <Arnia> Ah well. Hopefully I'll never see her again. However, this is Durham so I'm almost certain to run into her all the time.
16:28:25 <sbp> she was mindcreamed on the booze, I presume?
16:29:00 <sbp> if you meet her in a hallway you should pay her the ultimate insult
16:29:03 <sbp> herft THE WRONG WAY
16:29:17 <Arnia> NOOO! That's unconscionable
16:29:51 <Talliesin> You clearly just aren't suffering enough.
16:30:23 <Talliesin> Try to catch yourself next time you do up your zipper. Maybe that'll make her happy.
16:30:28 <Arnia> Heh
16:30:37 <sbp> reminds me of something Ardal O'Hanlon said once
16:30:40 <sbp> I think he was on Parkie
16:30:51 <sbp> and he was going on about how he *hates* when people say "have a nice day!" to him
16:31:26 <sbp> he said "no! why should I have a nice day? it's my choice. it makes me want to run off and jam my cock in a door"
16:33:12 <Arnia> Some people do just seem to want to be unhappy
16:33:26 <Arnia> Worse, they want everyone else to be as unhappy as they are
16:33:39 <sbp> reminds me of that Peanuts strip...
16:33:51 <sbp> Lucy: What do you think our purpose in life is, Charlie Brown?
16:33:58 <sbp> Charlie Brown: To make others happy.
16:34:00 <Arnia> She told me that my PhD wasn't worth anything because it didn't come about from enough pain
16:34:12 <sbp> Lucy: Oh yeah? Well I don't think I've been doing that much lately. Then again, I'm not very happy either.
16:34:20 <sbp> Lucy: SOMEONE IS NOT DOING THEIR JOB!!!
16:34:36 <Talliesin> Wisdom and happiness are more closely linked than many people are comfortable with.
16:34:36 <sbp> oh good grief
16:35:46 <sbp> .wik Plum duff
16:35:49 <phenny> "Spotted Dick is a steamed pudding, containing dried fruits, usually currants." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spotted_Dick
16:35:54 <bjoern_> ...
16:35:56 <sbp> my down arrow key is getting somewhat flat
16:36:24 <bjoern_> calle againe whene youre ee keye developse itse owne lifee.
16:36:27 <Arnia> Sorry, I need to vent this. It really pissed me off
16:36:42 <sbp> ayup, it's pretty ridiculous
16:37:34 <sbp> and you can't even fully escape ridiculousnesses if you speak softly and carry a spork
16:37:46 <Arnia> I think the most silly thing she insinuated was that I was somehow responsible for supporting my mum financially when I was a kid. Perhaps I should have worked down t'pit
16:38:00 <sbp> hehe
16:38:14 <sbp> reminds me of the Monty Python social inversion sketch
16:38:15 <Monty> tattoos, even. heh
16:38:19 <bjoern_> .wik List of famous hermits
16:38:23 <phenny> "This list of famous unsolved murders and deaths is of people who have been murdered or who have died in unresolved circumstances." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unsolved_murders_and_deaths
16:38:28 <sbp> "I'm going up north to work in t' mines"
16:38:28 <Arnia> Yeah, it reminded me of that too
16:38:37 <Arnia> And the Four Yorkshiremen
16:38:41 <sbp> yeah
16:38:42 <Arnia> With her playing all four
16:38:45 <sbp> hehe
16:40:11 <bjoern_> bwhahaha
16:40:13 <bjoern_> .wik Meinrad of Einsiedeln
16:40:16 <phenny> "Saint Meinrad (d. 861) was a hermit and a Roman Catholic saint." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meinrad_of_Einsiedeln
16:40:30 <Arnia> I firmly believe that you are your own responsibility and you shouldn't blame circumstances for issues which are your own fault. I also believe that anyone who claims to be doing a PGCE, a masters, a PhD and having a fulltime job sufficient to pay for all that AND their parents and sisters is flat out lying
16:40:48 <Arnia> (oh, doing all those at the same time as well)
16:41:07 <sbp> bjoern_: ?
16:41:20 <sbp> a PGCE?
16:41:43 <Arnia> Post-Graduate Certificate in Education... the qualification needed to become a secondary school teacher
16:41:56 <sbp> yeah, but, you're doing that?
16:42:05 <Arnia> no... she is
16:42:08 <sbp> ô
16:42:10 <Arnia> Apparently
16:42:18 <Talliesin> Is she doing them well?
16:42:22 <sbp> and a master's and a PhD?
16:42:35 <Arnia> sbp: yeah
16:42:39 <Arnia> Talliesin: haven't the foggiest
16:43:14 <Talliesin> "Look how I suck at so many difficult things at the same time" isn't much of a boast.
16:44:01 <bjoern_> Well the name. It's german for, sth like, my wheel of <being a hermit>
16:44:38 <sbp> aha
16:44:58 <Talliesin> So unless she's actually doing them well (and allowing for the Dunning-Kruger effect) she's not arguing from a position of strength.
16:46:41 <bjoern_> .wik Qom
16:46:44 <phenny> "Qom (Persian: قم, also known as Q'um or Kom) is a city in Iran." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qom
16:47:30 <bjoern_> A guy from there was part of the latest dhs mailing list incident
16:48:06 <sbp> neighce
16:48:22 * sbp was going to work an -ough- in there too, but thought he'd better not
16:49:05 <bjoern_> .wik eave
16:49:08 <phenny> "An eave is the edge of a roof." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eave
16:49:19 <Talliesin> .wik DHS
16:49:21 <phenny> "The United States Department of Homeland Security (DHS), commonly known in the United States as Homeland Security, is a Cabinet department of the Federal Government of the United States with the responsibility of protecting the territory of the United States from [...]" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DHS
16:49:31 <Talliesin> Oh yeah.
16:50:17 <Talliesin> So, what was this guy from قم mailing?
16:50:32 <Talliesin> Hmm. BIDI went a bit strange on me there.
16:50:39 <sbp> ...indeed
16:50:44 <bjoern_> [04 Oct 07 09:38] * sbp * .title http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2007/10/03/email-crisis-strikes-homeland-security/
16:51:21 <bjoern_> I don't know what he wrote, it's just a sidenote in an article about it
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16:52:33 <Talliesin> It is amusing.
16:53:03 <bjoern_> .title http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7028503.stm
16:53:07 <phenny> bjoern_: BBC NEWS | Americas | Arrest order for Pinochet family
16:59:13 <wikisockpope> oooh i didn't notice i actually have concrete bids for the nanowrimo thing
16:59:18 <wikisockpope> someone bid $2k
16:59:27 <wikisockpope> and someone else bid $1,760
17:00:11 <wikisockpope> 100 hours at $20/hr for the former, and 110 hours at $16/hr for the latter
17:00:26 <sbp> .title http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/glasgow_and_west/7028169.stm
17:00:29 <phenny> sbp: BBC NEWS | Scotland | Glasgow, Lanarkshire and West | Fan arrested after pitch incident
17:00:37 <sbp> what that article doesn't say is actually what the man did to Dida
17:00:38 <Talliesin> What you selling?
17:00:59 <sbp> he's buying, not selling
17:01:08 <bjoern_> these fine leather jackets...
17:01:39 <wikisockpope> this person bid the $1,760: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Pinaki_ghosh
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17:02:42 <wikisockpope> Talliesin: i'm outsourcing NaNoWriMo
17:03:20 <sbp> [[[
17:03:22 <sbp> Imagine an administration has given more than $15bn towards treating HIV/Aids, mainly in Africa; that has hinted it might boycott the Beijing Olympics if China doesn't intervene to stop Burmese monks from getting slaughtered; that has tried - and failed - to force immigration reform down the throats of its own party; that obsesses about alternative fuels and talks climate change.
17:03:22 <sbp> Imagine an administration that prefers a diplomatic to a military option in Iran, is in bed with the French, on the sofa with the Germans and in the cooler with the Brits.
17:03:25 <sbp> ...
17:03:26 <sbp> ...
17:03:34 <sbp> ...
17:03:42 <sbp> Stop imagining. What I have described is the White House of George W Bush in October 2007.
17:03:44 <sbp> ]]] - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7027166.stm
17:03:57 <sbp> election coming up!
17:04:01 <wikisockpope> hehe
17:04:18 <wikisockpope> oh man, he included a fiction sample
17:04:33 <wikisockpope> lisppaste2: url?
17:04:33 <lisppaste2> To use the lisppaste bot, visit http://paste.lisp.org/new/swhack and enter your paste.
17:04:39 <sbp> (the article says "Much of the credit also goes to the Democrats on Capitol Hill.")
17:05:16 <lisppaste2> thelsdj pasted "fiction sample by Pinaki Ghosh" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/48650
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17:06:10 <jsled> Wow.
17:06:17 <jsled> BRAINWAVE.
17:06:27 <sbp> typo!
17:06:29 <sbp> "Jeet, Raghab’s colleague"
17:06:36 <sbp> should be Raghav
17:08:22 <sbp> phew. too boring to continue
17:08:25 <sbp> jsled: brainwave?
17:08:50 <jsled> Just that word jumped out at me.
17:08:55 <sbp> aha
17:10:15 <wikisockpope> this is awesome, just for the fact that its not quite normal english
17:11:06 <wikisockpope> maybe its translated
17:11:42 <sbp> he's no Caitlin Moran
17:13:34 <Talliesin> Is Caitlin Moran still around.
17:13:40 <sbp> yep!
17:13:44 <Talliesin> I remember her being on tv many years ago.
17:13:50 <wikisockpope> the punchline of the story is pretty good though
17:13:56 <Talliesin> She prononced her name KATE-LIN
17:14:11 <Talliesin> I don't trust people who can't pronounce their own names.
17:14:33 <sbp> well she doesn't like M&S sushi either
17:14:40 <sbp> I put that down to Circumstances too
17:14:56 <Talliesin> Esp. Pretty Irish names that are uglified by British or Americans.
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17:15:13 <sbp> look
17:15:23 <sbp> if there was a fada on my birth certificate, I would use it
17:15:28 <sbp> but there isn't. I'm sorry!
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17:15:51 <Talliesin> Do you pronounce the same as "seen"?
17:16:05 <wikisockpope> if someone in india is bidding near $2k i guess i'm not going to get an offer of $400
17:16:28 <sbp> no, good point. I tend to hurt people who do
17:16:41 * sbp in the clear--whoo!
17:16:44 <Talliesin> Then I have no beef with you so.
17:16:48 <sbp> :-)
17:17:04 <Talliesin> But the English pronounciation of Deidre is horrid.
17:17:16 <sbp> dear-dree. how is it in Irish?
17:17:43 <sbp> wikisockpope: hold out for some micronationals!
17:17:49 <Talliesin> Deid reh
17:18:11 <wikisockpope> sbp: yea i'm still waiting to hear from that philippens guy who did like $5/hr
17:18:12 <Talliesin> Dear dreh if the spelling is deirdre
17:18:43 <sbp> deid-reh. hmm. interesting
17:18:45 <sbp> that is a lot better
17:19:40 <Talliesin> Pronounce it Deid-reh or Dear-dreh and you are speaking of our mythologies equivalent of Helen of Troy (regarding being the most beautiful woman alive thing). Pronounce it Dear-dree and you've got the name chosen in a Python sketch when a punchline needed an ugly and unbecoming name.
17:20:21 <sbp> and, what's more, you'll be a Corination Street character
17:20:35 <sbp> ...Coronation
17:20:38 <Talliesin> This may be not unconnected perhaps
17:20:44 <sbp> hmm, point
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17:21:58 <bjoern_> So it seems my first attempt at doing the ABNF->XLX Perl6 script got struck down by a bug in pugs...
17:22:18 <sbp> .gc pugs-bugs
17:22:22 <phenny> pugs-bugs: 1,190
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17:22:35 <bjoern_> should've known!
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17:23:26 <sbp> Talliesin: something you might know, whilst we're in the region of Celticity, even if it is flipping to p-branch... why is Gwynedd the county pronounced with an unvoiced ending? English influence?
17:24:17 <sbp> oh, and did you see this perchance? http://inamidst.com/lo/cumbricwords
17:25:28 <Talliesin> Welsh DD is pronounced as eth, isn't it?
17:25:43 <Talliesin> And Gwynedd is pronounced as eth?
17:25:48 <Talliesin> .wik Gwynedd
17:25:51 <sbp> yes, it's voiced. but everybody always says the unvoiced -th
17:25:53 <phenny> "Gwynedd (IPA: ['ɡwɪ.nɛð]) is a principal area in north-west Wales, named after the old Kingdom of Gwynedd." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gwynedd
17:25:57 <sbp> huh
17:26:15 <Talliesin> Hmm.
17:26:45 <sbp> I must just be hearing English dipsticking trying to pronounce it, then
17:26:49 <sbp> er, dipsticks
17:27:05 <sbp> funny though... I can't recall a single instance of it being pronounced properly
17:27:47 <Talliesin> My having a trace of a speach-impediment means I tend to muddle through all cases of Eth along with Thorn, F and V.
17:28:15 <Talliesin> And hence not notice the subtlties I can't myself reproduce, unless I'm paying particular attention.
17:28:28 <sbp> ah. my dialect doesn't distinguish between eth/v and thorn/f
17:28:36 <sbp> but in Welsh, I can start afresh
17:28:47 <bjoern_> now they changed their mind saying my code it teh bugz!
17:28:54 <sbp> hehe
17:29:05 <sbp> maybe it is those who run pugs who are truly buggy
17:29:33 <sbp> having said that, I make a bold attempt at getting the phonology right
17:29:39 <bjoern_> .wik buggy
17:29:39 <sbp> but I barely bother with an accent
17:29:42 <phenny> "a dune buggy or swamp buggy;" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buggy
17:29:48 <sbp> I'm like what's-his-name speaking French
17:29:51 <sbp> Wilson?
17:29:59 <sbp> it was either Wilson or Heath...
17:30:14 <sbp> Heath
17:30:17 <sbp> it was Heath
17:32:04 <sbp> 18:31 <rich_holygoat> I just found the best abstract in the entire world
17:32:04 <sbp> 18:32 <sbp> show
17:32:04 <sbp> 18:32 <rich_holygoat> "We argue that hand-writing a program generator generator has a number of advantages compared to generating a program generator generator by self-application of a partial evaluator."
17:32:04 <sbp> 18:32 <sbp> wow. you're not wrong
17:32:05 <sbp> 18:32 <rich_holygoat> "We show the basic principles of how to construct a program generator generator by presenting a program generator generator for a skeletal language, and we argue that it is not more difficult to use the direct approach than the indirect approach."
17:32:09 <sbp> - #swig
17:34:28 <Talliesin> Fantastic
17:34:55 * sbp plays Real Rock Drive
17:34:59 <Talliesin> Why is there never stuff like that in bash.org?
17:35:02 <sbp> fast becoming perhaps my favourite Bill Haley song
17:35:04 <sbp> heh, yeah
17:35:13 <sbp> because bash.org is read by the average irc user
17:35:17 <sbp> not the average Freenode user
17:35:26 * bjoern_ thinks not
17:35:39 <sbp> you don't like Real Rock Drive, bjoern_?
17:36:13 <Talliesin> The stuff you see in irc.bondage.net never makes it there either :(
17:36:51 <bjoern_> "strummer126: Fucking asshole said this was going to be a video of an elephant sticking it's trunk up a rhino's asshole. Fucking Rickrolled again today. fuck this shit." doesn't suggest otherwise?
17:37:14 <sbp> you don't think that's average irc?
17:37:31 <bjoern_> Who ever said I think at all?
17:37:39 <sbp> good point!
17:38:01 <sbp> I should not have expected that you thought
17:38:18 <bjoern_> Blame it all on the creationists.
17:38:27 <sbp> 'k
17:38:47 <bjoern_> .title http://science.slashdot.org/science/07/10/04/1614246.shtml
17:38:50 <phenny> bjoern_: Slashdot | Rate of Evolution Metrics Observed
17:38:51 <sbp> Monty: process 'pon the procedure that would blame it all on the creationists for me, sîl vous plait
17:38:55 <Monty> Well, dead
