00:00:18 <KragenSitaker> hahaha
00:00:24 <KragenSitaker> what was your opinion of her?
00:02:14 <wikisockpope> just realized that the steampunk mystery has to be erotica also
00:03:57 <Arnia> KragenSitaker: that she is a cunt?
00:04:03 <Arnia> and I don't use that word lightly
00:04:26 <bjoern_> |\|16HTZ
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00:11:21 <Arnia> KragenSitaker: however, I'll avoid her and all will be fine
00:33:37 <KragenSitaker> haha
00:41:38 <kpreid> Hey Arnia, is it semantically correct to give an answer (prediction)) to the question of which of two improbable (or one improbable and the other impossible) events "will happen first"?
00:42:21 <Arnia> Depends on the semantics. This is related to the problem of the semantics of the word 'unicorn'
00:43:20 <kpreid> Yup.
00:43:21 <Arnia> In an objectivist semantics, the word 'unicorn' has no meaning because there is nothing in the world which it denotes. In an embodied semantics, you can define the meaning of the word 'unicorn' in terms of the conceptual blend of horse and horn.
00:44:02 <Arnia> Same sort of thing applies here... although obviously you can't give meaning to something which can't be imagined by you. Others might be able to though.
00:46:06 <kpreid> here's a semantics:
00:46:34 <Arnia> Well, emptiness has meaning too
00:46:54 <kpreid> of all possible futures which include one or the other event, choose the one which occurs first in more worlds
00:47:16 <Arnia> Define 'first' and 'more'
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00:47:43 <Arnia> Also, are you working with the impossible events again?
00:47:55 <kpreid> let's say improbable.
00:47:58 <kpreid> first:
00:48:30 <kpreid> there are five kinds of futures: {...}, {...A...}, {...B...}, {...A...B...}, and {...B...A...}
00:49:17 <kpreid> then: does the probability of the second or fourth actually occurring exceed the third or fifth?
00:49:34 <kpreid> ...exceed that of the third or fifth?
00:50:11 <Arnia> Ok. Now, are you talking in objectivist or relativist terms?
00:50:46 <kpreid> you haven't defined relativist. =? embodied?
00:52:58 <Arnia> Relativist means that truth is defined relative to the agent without reference to an external reality (reference in the technical sense). Embodied is a sort of relativist position with the proviso that the 'atoms' of meaning are gleaned from being in a certain shaped body wired in a certain way
00:54:54 <kpreid> let's say relativist, because objectivist is, at least superficially, bogus :)
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00:55:36 <Arnia> Hehe
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00:55:49 <Arnia> Well, in a relativist position yes that's fine
00:56:07 <Arnia> Possible worlds get a little iffy in a strict objectivist position anyway I think
00:56:26 <Arnia> So does 'time' and pretty much everything though
00:56:33 * Arnia glowers at objectivism some more
00:56:48 <kpreid> yes, I was going to say. what if unicorns happen later?
00:57:34 <Arnia> Find a non-circular, objectivist account of time and earn BIG BUCKZ!
01:02:14 <Arnia> Actually, find a non-circular, objectivist account of anything and earn it
01:02:31 <Arnia> It always astounds me that there are still objectivists
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01:52:07 <shwack13> hello swhack
01:52:19 <Arnia> Sean Connery!
01:52:30 <shwack13> u guys know your site is really friggen close to my nick
01:52:47 <shwack13> LOL
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01:53:02 <Monty> hi nsh, how ya doing?
01:53:04 <phenny> Monty: shh, don't let anyone know you're around!
01:53:04 <Monty> hee.
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01:53:37 <Monty> hi dark, how ya doing?
01:53:40 <phenny> Monty: shh, don't let anyone know you're around!
01:53:41 <Monty> 'just like building
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01:53:44 <dark> sup
01:53:53 <shwack13> ?
01:54:11 <shwack13> why u guys dont like talking LOL
01:54:20 <dark> hello shwack13
01:54:23 <shwack13> sup
01:54:36 <dark> i heared u hack websites with spk ?
01:54:45 <shwack13> whats it 2 u ?
01:54:52 <dark> i wanna learn
01:55:10 <shwack13> uhh :S
01:55:28 <shwack13> i guess one sec i pm
01:55:43 <KragenSitaker> shwack13: you're a juggalo?
01:55:48 <shwack13> fuck no
01:56:01 <shwack13> iam white :KragenSitaker
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01:56:26 <kpreid> ...
01:56:30 <KragenSitaker> lots of white juggalos
01:56:34 <shwack13> nah
01:56:37 <shwack13> i just hack shit
01:56:51 <shwack13> you guys like free movies and shit ?
01:57:40 <KragenSitaker> more linguistics and epistemology
01:57:50 <KragenSitaker> loggy, pointer?
01:57:50 <loggy> http://swhack.com/logs/2007-10-05#T01-57-50
01:58:03 <KragenSitaker> shwack13: read that URL --- you'll see the kind of stuff we're into
01:58:30 <kpreid> phenny, mangle "you guys like free movies and shit ?"
01:59:21 <Arnia> KragenSitaker: with the occasional spot of ballroom dancing
01:59:30 <shwack13> do u guys mind if i post A link for free movies :admin ?
01:59:40 <KragenSitaker> also unpasteurized honey
02:00:34 <shwack13> KragenSitaker R u an admin ?
02:00:52 <Arnia> There is no Admin
02:00:55 <Arnia> Just Monty
02:00:57 <Monty> over-rated pregnant pelican crossing!
02:01:00 <KragenSitaker> .g juggalo
02:01:02 <phenny> KragenSitaker: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juggalo
02:01:03 <KragenSitaker> .wik juggalo
02:01:05 <bpt> shwack13: of course not, just be aware that this is logged publically onto a site that is monitored by intelligence agencies around the world
02:01:06 <phenny> "A Juggalo (male or female) or Juggalette (more commonly used for a female) is a member of the group that has grown up around the fanbase of the Michigan rap/horrorcore group Insane Clown Posse (ICP), and related recording artists at Psychopathic Records." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juggalo
02:01:18 <shwack13> oh shit
02:01:21 <shwack13> serouisly
02:01:24 <Arnia> Monty: I think pelican crossings are worthy of high praise, and one getting pregnant is awesome.
02:01:24 <bpt> but I think they are mostly interested in tracking Monty's activities
02:01:25 <shwack13> fuck i better leave
02:01:26 <kpreid> also, unintelligence agencies
02:01:27 <Monty> encapsulating BBC overture craves wet doshing Chunky :P
02:01:30 <Monty> (Alt+Shift+S on Cartoon Network." - Bird craps on driver eludes me think it's ripping hairflix.com's colors
02:01:37 <Arnia> shwack13: oh, you're already tracked to hell
02:01:41 <KragenSitaker> shwack13: hey, i gave you the link to the logs already
02:01:52 <kpreid> Arnia's more interested in intelligent agents, though
02:01:53 <shwack13> oh
02:01:58 <shwack13> well whateve
02:02:03 <shwack13> its only my isp
02:02:34 <Arnia> kpreid: only if they're hot and good dancers
02:02:45 <Arnia> Anything else is SHITRUDE
02:02:56 <kpreid> sbp: hey, what happened to mangle?
02:03:18 <Arnia> he's using it on his washing
02:03:43 <shwack13> this place is tracked
02:03:46 <shwack13> iam outtie
02:03:56 <KragenSitaker> shwack13: i posted a link to the public logs
02:03:57 <Arnia> good, I'm out too
02:03:59 <KragenSitaker> loggy, pointer?
02:03:59 <loggy> http://swhack.com/logs/2007-10-05#T02-03-59
02:04:03 <KragenSitaker> there's another one
02:04:11 <Arnia> Oh, you didn't mean gay
02:04:16 <kpreid> Monty, pointer?
02:04:17 <Monty> wifi
02:04:20 <shwack13> ?
02:04:21 <Arnia> Shame; was going to flirt
02:04:31 <bpt> shwack13: a/s/l?
02:04:37 <Arnia> USE SEMICOLONS APPROPRIATE;LY
02:04:40 <shwack13> nice try bpt
02:04:47 <shwack13> iam not going to get on bbc
02:04:49 <kpreid> Arnia: <joke involving the word "blurt">
02:04:51 <shwack13> or some shit like that
02:04:52 <KragenSitaker> ah there we go
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02:05:00 <Arnia> shwack13: bjoern means it
02:05:04 <shwack13> naw
02:05:05 <KragenSitaker> my bar camp buenos aires post finally made it onto http://barcamp.wordpress.com/
02:05:10 <shwack13> iam not that stupi
02:05:14 <Arnia> kpreid: <joke involving the name 'sidebottom'>
02:05:15 <shwack13> (stupid )
02:05:29 <KragenSitaker> sorry, how stupid aren't you, exactly?
02:05:34 <KragenSitaker> maybe you can elaborate
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02:05:51 <Arnia> kpreid: <comment about ostensive definitions of stupidity>
02:06:02 <kpreid> .mw ostensive
02:06:05 <phenny> ostensive: definition not found
02:06:12 <bpt> .oed ostensive
02:06:14 <kpreid> .wn ostensive
02:06:16 <phenny> ostensive a. 1: Manifestly demonstrative
02:06:18 <phenny> ostensive a. 2: Represented or appearing as such.
02:06:22 <shwack13> lol
02:06:24 <Arnia> shwack13: if you're thirteen, it might be an idea to learn social responsibility
02:06:25 <shwack13> spammers
02:06:31 <shwack13> naw
02:06:38 <Arnia> We're not spammers... we're swhackers
02:06:41 <shwack13> iam older then that
02:06:50 <Arnia> Except phenny; she's a deity
02:06:53 <KragenSitaker> could have fooled me!
02:06:54 <Arnia> phenny!
02:06:54 * nsh raises an eyebrow
02:06:57 <phenny> Arnia!
02:07:05 <nsh> oh, kids.
02:07:11 * nsh goes back to spamming
02:07:11 <kpreid> > fix ("SPAM" ++)
02:07:15 <KragenSitaker> .g swhack faq
02:07:18 <phenny> KragenSitaker: http://swhack.com/faq/
02:07:18 <Arnia> nsh: let us make them into gingerbread!
02:07:27 <swhask> "SPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPAMSPA...
02:07:31 <KragenSitaker> shwack13: see http://swhack.com/faq
02:07:33 <Arnia> shwack13: you should herft
02:07:36 <shwack13> what for
02:07:40 <nsh> Arnia, that could be fun
02:07:40 <Arnia> otherwise it is SHITRUDE
02:07:43 <shwack13> goverment bs ?
02:07:45 <KragenSitaker> .wik herft
02:07:46 <kpreid> > fix ((concat.inits) "SPAM" ++)
02:07:48 <phenny> "The Most Reverend Roger Adrian Herft (1948-) is the present Anglican Archbishop of Perth, Australia." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Herft
02:07:49 <swhask> "SSPSPASPAMSSPSPASPAMSSPSPASPAMSSPSPASPAMSSPSPASPAMSSPSPASPAMSSPSPASPAMSSPSP...
02:08:01 <KragenSitaker> .g shitrude
02:08:04 <phenny> KragenSitaker: http://shitrude.com/
02:08:04 <KragenSitaker> .gc shitrude
02:08:05 <kpreid> > fix ((concat.tails) "SPAM" ++)
02:08:07 <phenny> shitrude: 8
02:08:08 <swhask> "SPAMPAMAMMSPAMPAMAMMSPAMPAMAMMSPAMPAMAMMSPAMPAMAMMSPAMPAMAMMSPAMPAMAMMSPAMP...
02:08:23 <Arnia> KragenSitaker: rdfs:seeAlso <http://swhack.com/faq/>
02:08:29 <nsh> wait, have we activated the SHITRUDE protocol?
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02:08:36 <nsh> i'm supposed to be informed when that happens
02:08:37 <kpreid> > fix ((concat.inits) (fix ((concat.tails) "SPAM" ++)) ++)
02:08:39 <Arnia> nsh: No, it isn't sunday!
02:08:41 <swhask> "SSPSPASPAMSPAMPSPAMPASPAMPAMSPAMPAMASPAMPAMAMSPAMPAMAMMSPAMPAMAMMSSPAMPAMAM...
02:08:47 <kpreid> whee!
02:08:48 <Arnia> aww... he's left :(
02:08:55 <KragenSitaker> Arnia: are you speaking in N3?
02:08:57 <Arnia> I was just having fun
02:09:10 * nsh chuckles
02:09:13 <kpreid> I was impressed with his incapability of leaving when he said he would
02:09:22 <kpreid> (for a non-troll, anyway)
02:09:42 * nsh back to watching Serial Experiements Lain
02:09:44 <KragenSitaker> http://shitrude.com/ is really amusing by the way
02:10:38 <nsh> SPAMMER!
02:10:41 <Arnia> KragenSitaker: [ a foaf:Person; foaf:name "Joe"; wn:speak [ a wn:Language; dc:title "N3"]].
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02:18:19 <nsh> hmm
02:19:20 <Arnia> boing?
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02:19:56 <nsh> thinking about 'steganographic programming'
02:20:10 <nsh> .gc "steganographic programming"
02:20:14 <phenny> "steganographic programming": 0
02:20:42 <nsh> they'll get there some day
02:27:11 <KragenSitaker> wrt the juggalo thread, that was because one of the top hits for "shwack13" on Google was a page referring to a youtube video
02:27:18 <KragenSitaker> entitled "shwack13 - icp weed wars insane clown possy drawing art"
02:27:58 <Arnia> ...
02:28:02 <KragenSitaker> which is at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BaojnWVs_Yc
02:28:14 <KragenSitaker> with the comment "insane drawing that got burnt into my cornea's so i had 2 draw it .it got into my head from listinging to weed wars lol."
02:29:18 <KragenSitaker> "weed wars" is a song by insane clown posse, apparently
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02:29:38 <KragenSitaker> about aliens invading earth to steal marijuana
02:30:18 <KragenSitaker> but i guess he's not such an ICP fan that he knows what a "juggalo" is
02:31:21 <nsh> or he's /that much/ of an ICP fan, he came here and did the whole sketch as an evangelism ploy
02:31:38 <Arnia> huh
02:31:40 <nsh> i for one will be buying the album
02:31:48 <Arnia> Can we just explode him?
02:32:11 <Arnia> Still... have his IP address at least. Let us send Monty across his Brain-Computer Interlink
02:32:14 <Monty> frogs has a fight with spies :(
02:32:34 <nsh> surely punishment enough :-)
02:32:50 <KragenSitaker> we almost had a dual-RFB scenario there
02:33:11 <KragenSitaker> .swhack heared
02:33:48 <phenny> KragenSitaker: http://swhack.com/logs/2007-01-14#T03-02-25
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02:51:12 <Morbus> anyone live in tallahassee florida?
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02:57:44 <KragenSitaker> yes, hundreds of thousands of people i think
02:57:51 <KragenSitaker> how are you doing, Morbus?
02:57:56 <KragenSitaker> haven't seen you in a while
02:58:06 <Morbus> busy busy
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03:17:35 <msn2wolf> hi
03:20:19 <KragenSitaker> hi. be aware this channel is publicly and permanently logged.
03:20:43 <KragenSitaker> and, as someone pointed out earlier tonight, monitored by several intelligence agencies.
03:22:22 <msn2wolf> got it, tk
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04:24:12 <kpreid> KragenSitaker: it occurs to me that that notion could be, ah, improved ...
04:24:30 <kpreid> just bring a CIA (http://cia.vc/ ) bot into #swhack
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04:30:05 <screwyou> hey kpreid
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06:20:44 <tav> hmz, can anyone gimme a useful rdf namespace/property which is not foaf ?
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07:04:54 <bjoern_> Happy International World Teachers' Day.
07:09:34 <bjoern_> Today:
07:09:38 <bjoern_> 1582 - Because of the implementation of the Gregorian calendar this day does not exist in this year in Italy, Poland, Portugal and Spain.
07:09:38 <bjoern_> 1789 - French Revolution: Women of Paris march to Versailles in the March on Versailles to confront Louis XVI about his refusal to promulgate the decrees on the abolition of feudalism, demand bread, and have the King and his court moved to Paris.
07:09:38 <bjoern_> 1864 - The Indian city of Calcutta is almost totally destroyed by a cyclone; 60,000 die.
07:09:38 <bjoern_> 1947 - The first televised White House address is given by U.S. President Harry S. Truman.
07:09:40 <bjoern_> 1953 - The first documented recovery meeting of Narcotics Anonymous is held.
07:09:42 <bjoern_> 1970 - PBS became a television network.
07:09:44 <bjoern_> 1986 - Israeli secret nuclear weapons were revealed. The British newspaper The Sunday Times ran Mordechai Vanunu's story on its front page under the headline: "Revealed — the secrets of Israel's nuclear arsenal."
07:09:46 <bjoern_> 1991 - The first official version of the Linux kernel, version 0.02, is released.
07:09:48 <bjoern_> 2000 - Mass demonstrations in Belgrade lead to resignation of Serbian strongman Slobodan Miloševic. These demonstrations are often called the Bulldozer Revolution.
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07:26:32 <nsh> .g inurl:rria-jury-finds
07:26:35 <phenny> inurl:rria-jury-finds: sorry, no results were found.
07:26:50 <nsh> .g inurl:riaa-jury-finds
07:26:52 <phenny> nsh: http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2007/10/riaa-jury-finds.html
07:26:53 <bjoern_> .title http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article2592161.ece
07:26:58 <phenny> bjoern_: David Cameron surge puts the heat on Labour - Times Online
07:27:17 <bjoern_> .title http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article2592302.ece
07:27:20 <phenny> bjoern_: A longer life and in better health - marriage really is good for you - Times Online
07:28:11 <bjoern_> .title http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,2184068,00.html
07:28:15 <phenny> bjoern_: Republicans aim to win presidency by changing voting rules | Special reports | Guardian Unlimited
07:28:20 <nsh> In next week's "Things that are fucked up about the world"...
07:28:27 <bjoern_> Why, the courts already ruled it's okay doing that...
07:28:36 <bjoern_> Is there no list on Wikipedia?
07:29:02 <bjoern_> .title http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2007/oct/05/1
07:29:07 <phenny> bjoern_: It's official: swallowing swords hurts your throat | Science | The Guardian
07:29:19 <nsh> this is the first case that has actually gone to verdict, i believe
07:29:33 <nsh> (rest have been settled, dismissed, or pending)
07:30:26 <bjoern_> .title http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7026150.stm
07:30:29 <phenny> bjoern_: BBC NEWS | Science/Nature | 'Gay bomb' scoops Ig Nobel award
07:31:28 <perigrin> california would be the first state with an actual population to enact such a policy
07:31:48 <perigrin> and if they did there would be a huge push on other states to do the same ...
07:32:21 <bjoern_> "Iraqi Judge Says Maliki’s Government Shields Officials Accused of Corruption" - http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/05/world/middleeast/05contractor.html
07:33:21 <bjoern_> I remember they reorganized voting districts in several places to maximize their turnout
07:33:32 <perigrin> Oh they do that regularly
07:34:07 <perigrin> Gerrymandering is fact of US political life.
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07:35:40 <bjoern_> "He said the 50% of windfall oil profits stipulated in a law passed last year was not enough, and the state should now receive 99%. " - http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7029244.stm
07:36:07 <sbp> lolobix
07:36:11 <sbp> the cereal of the l33t
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07:41:51 <bjoern_> 411 n3w5 4r 13h b0r1n65 t0d4y 56p
07:43:11 <sbp> omg
07:43:14 <sbp> but it's Friday!
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07:43:20 <sbp> it should be the TGIF lineup
07:43:40 <bjoern_> perhapzerings too earliz
07:43:45 <sbp> heh at "Republicans aim to win presidency by changing voting rules"
07:43:59 <sbp> mmm, could be
07:44:09 <sbp> America hasn't woken up yet for us to lol at
07:44:18 <bjoern_> .
07:44:21 <nsh> <Republicans> Fuck diebold, i've got a better idea
07:44:47 <sbp> <Republicans> One oilfield, one vote!
07:45:02 <nsh> lol
07:45:13 <sbp> just like in the olden days, the days of America's prime
07:46:50 <nsh> man, someone secured funding to research whether swallowing swords is dangerous or not...
07:47:03 <nsh> i need to cook up some 'studies'
07:47:12 <nsh> wait.. "studies"
07:47:32 <sbp> “studies”
07:47:59 <nsh> @filter reverse studies!
07:48:00 <supybot> nsh: !seiduts
07:49:21 * nsh wonders how much the bank will charge to wire money to the ukraine
07:49:32 <nsh> like, 30 euroes odd
07:52:52 <sbp> "If all goes as planned, the United States and India will have astronauts on the moon by 2020, China by 2022, and Japan and Russia by 2025" - http://science.slashdot.org/science/07/10/04/2117217.shtml (tags: moon, space, science, carswillflytoo)
07:53:07 <sbp> €30? not bad, I guess
07:53:20 <sbp> unless you only want to wire £1.50
07:53:44 <nsh> no, i want to wire 30 euroes; no idea what it'll cost
07:53:52 <nsh> i guess something comparable
07:54:34 <perigrin> sbp, not all of America is asleep
07:54:41 <perigrin> .weather kmsp
07:54:46 <phenny> KeyError: 'TS' (file "/home/sbp/phenny/modules/weather.py", line 319, in f_weather)
07:54:56 <perigrin> though phenny doesn't think so
07:55:24 <sbp> this is great:
07:55:26 <sbp> .title http://science.slashdot.org/science/07/10/04/1354224.shtml
07:55:29 <sbp> TS? argh
07:55:36 <phenny> sbp: Slashdot | James Randi Posts $1M Award On Speaker Cables
07:55:36 <sbp> why does KMSP have such strange weather?!
07:55:48 <perigrin> I blame minneapolis.
07:55:59 <perigrin> if it were left to St. Paul things would be quiet and pleasent
07:56:02 <sbp> hehe
07:56:05 * sbp fixes...
07:56:08 <bjoern_> I'd blame the mexicats.
07:56:11 <perigrin> but Minneapolis is all envious of the big cities
07:56:23 <perigrin> with their "weather systems" and "heat islands" and what not
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07:56:43 <bjoern_> (cf. http://www.4chan.org/comic/)
07:56:47 <perigrin> and darobin ... I mean really what's with that?
07:56:52 <perigrin> er ... Hi Darobin!
07:57:40 <sbp> phenny: reload weather
07:57:44 <phenny> sbp: <module 'modules.weather' from '/home/sbp/phenny/modules/weather.py'> (version: 2007-10-05 07:58:49)
07:57:48 <sbp> .weather KMSP
07:57:51 <phenny> Overcast ☁, 64.4℉ (18℃), 29.94in (1011mb), TS, Gentle breeze 7kt (↑) - KMSP, 2:53, 0753Z
07:58:02 <bjoern_> TS?
07:58:03 <sbp> now to figure out what TS is...
07:58:06 <perigrin> Thunder Storm
07:58:12 <perigrin> just a *boom* guess
07:58:13 <sbp> how do you know?
07:58:15 <sbp> hehe
07:58:45 <perigrin> Thunder Storm + Gentle Breeze
07:58:48 <perigrin> Nice.
07:58:56 <sbp> loggy: pointer?
07:58:56 <loggy> http://swhack.com/logs/2007-10-05#T07-58-56
07:59:22 <sbp> phenny: reload weather
07:59:24 <phenny> sbp: <module 'modules.weather' from '/home/sbp/phenny/modules/weather.py'> (version: 2007-10-05 08:00:27)
07:59:25 <sbp> .weather KMSP
07:59:50 <sbp> DO'T, I PRITHEE
07:59:56 <bjoern_> .title http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxWgRY1I_SI
07:59:59 <phenny> bjoern_: YouTube - Anonymous on Fox 11
08:00:02 <sbp> .weather KMSP
08:00:09 <phenny> Overcast ☁, 64.4℉ (18℃), 29.94in (1011mb), Thunderstorm, Gentle breeze 7kt (↑) - KMSP, 2:53, 0753Z
08:01:10 <phenny> Overcast ☁, 64.4℉ (18℃), 29.94in (1011mb), Thunderstorm, Gentle breeze 7kt (↑) - KMSP, 2:53, 0753Z
08:01:25 <sbp> the "wtf" after the Demonstration is great
08:01:58 <sbp> ahaha, his gf left him? wtf
08:03:16 <sbp> "But truly epic 'LULZ'..."
08:04:15 <sbp> a LULZ-killer? oh man
08:05:03 <sbp> the dog's half-hearted bark...
08:10:18 <sbp> hmm at http://www.macrumors.com/2007/10/04/mac-os-x-leopard-on-october-26th/
08:10:47 <sbp> hehe. "Election Pressure Mounts for PM", and the picture is http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7028677.stm
08:10:49 <sbp> er...
08:10:55 <sbp> is http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44158000/jpg/_44158079_brown203in_afp.jpg
08:13:07 <sbp> [[[
08:13:08 <sbp> The Soviet press was quick to pick up on this, reporting in Pravda that the U.S. was "showing signs of hysteria." Not all Americans were quivering with techno-fear of course - one restaurant saw the funny side and created a Sputnik sandwich, which featured an olive with four protruding toothpick antennas.
08:13:14 <sbp> ]]] - http://www.forteantimes.com/blogs/editorial-blogs/news/
08:17:24 <sbp> [[[
08:17:25 <sbp> As Beijing prepares for the Olympics next year it is trying to clean up some of the shadier sides of the city. Apparently, one way of doing this is going to the popular bar street, Sanlitun, and arresting and beating all the men who appear to be of African decent, even if one happens to be the son of a diplomat.
08:17:27 <sbp> ]]] - metafilter
08:17:35 <sbp> -> http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/ov/archive/2007/09/25/beijing-vice-a-brutal-bust-reveals-the-strong-arm-of-the-chinese-law.aspx
08:17:51 <sbp> -> http://www.guardian.co.uk/china/story/0,,2177013,00.html
08:20:40 <sbp> hehe
08:20:41 <sbp> [[[
08:20:43 <sbp> [blah blah]
08:20:44 <sbp> And this laptop will cost $200.
08:20:44 <sbp> The computer, if you hadn’t already guessed, is the fabled “$100 laptop” that’s been igniting hype and controversy for three years.
08:20:52 <sbp> ]]] - http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/04/technology/circuits/04pogue.html
08:22:18 <bjoern_> Well they had this pay for two, get only one program...
08:26:30 <sbp> heh, heh
08:26:37 <sbp> pretty good article, that. usual Poguery
08:31:08 <sbp> this is absolutely awesome: http://consumerist.com/consumer/how-to/13-step-guide-to-buying-a-car-while-controlling-the-sale-and-the-price-296553.php
08:32:07 <sbp> http://httpcolonforwardslashforwardslashwwwdotjenniferdanieldotcom.com/images/lg014.jpg
08:33:03 <sbp> (see also: the homepage)
08:33:59 <sbp> oh, Cameron's speech was sans notes and autocue both
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08:38:50 <bjoern_> .title http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134587/
08:38:53 <phenny> bjoern_: Hot plant sex: Scent, warmth aid pollination - Science - MSNBC.com
08:39:30 <bjoern_> .title http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21144171/
08:39:33 <phenny> bjoern_: Woman told to ditch bra for court - Peculiar Postings - MSNBC.com
08:41:04 <bjoern_> .title http://www.nysun.com/article/63465
08:41:07 <phenny> bjoern_: Spies Prep Reporters on Protecting Secrets - September 27, 2007 - The New York Sun
08:44:55 <bjoern_> "With today’s “Installation and Availability Update,” Internet Explorer 7 installation will no longer require Windows Genuine Advantage validation and will be available to all Windows XP users." - http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2007/10/04/internet-explorer-7-update.aspx
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08:47:02 <bjoern_> hmm http://irc.netsplit.de/channels/details.php.de?room=%23swhack&net=freenode
08:53:44 <sbp> oh my goodness: http://www.mazm.com/2007/09/19/38.toys-manufacture-in-china-25-pics.html
08:53:50 <sbp> these are *so* ripe for lolcatzing
08:53:56 <sbp> well, lol-something-ing
08:55:35 <sbp> DANCE: http://www.julianopie.com/desktop/images/saradancing3c.gif
08:55:52 <sbp> and today's last-but-not-least:
08:55:55 <sbp> http://www.doingitwrong.com/wrong/935_boat.jpg (whoops!)
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09:00:43 <cre8radix> hoy
09:03:47 <sbp> oh man, what? http://www.retrosellers.com/review006.htm
09:03:54 <sbp> check out the first single picture and its caption
09:04:14 <sbp> (arrived at via trying to work out what http://suif.stanford.edu/~aimee/images/village-map-huge.gif is, and where it's from)
09:05:08 <sbp> and many of the other pictures too. that's awesome
09:05:29 <bjoern_> you might confusing headings for the next section with image captions...
09:05:53 <sbp> no chance
09:05:53 <bjoern_> some of the times...
09:05:55 <sbp> I like The Bristol Colonnade
09:06:14 <sbp> right, Castell Deudraeth is correct
09:06:23 <sbp> and note that the images are misshapen. they've got the sizes wrong
09:06:29 <sbp> so they seem to have been substituted
09:07:05 <bjoern_> ANONYMOUS H4X0R3D TH3M
09:07:51 <sbp> hehe
09:08:03 <bjoern_> .compare "second coming of christ" "third coming of christ" "fourth coming of christ" "fifth coming of christ" "last coming of christ"
09:08:07 <phenny> "second coming of christ" (479,000), "third coming of christ" (1,670), "last coming of christ" (672), "fourth coming of christ" (112), "fifth coming of christ" (36)
09:11:17 <sbp> .compare "sixth coming of christ" "seventh coming of christ" "eighth coming of christ" "ninth coming of christ" "tenth coming of christ" "eleventh coming of christ"
09:11:22 <phenny> "sixth coming of christ" (5), "eighth coming of christ" (2), "seventh coming of christ" (1), "ninth coming of christ" (1), "tenth coming of christ" (0), "eleventh coming of christ" (0)
09:14:04 <bjoern_> .compare "first coming of christ" "ultimate coming of christ" "penultimate coming of christ" "next departure of christ"
09:14:08 <phenny> "first coming of christ" (18,900), "ultimate coming of christ" (95), "penultimate coming of christ" (0), "next departure of christ" (0)
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09:15:33 <bjoern_> comment on your lolcatzing link earlier, "so that’s what elves look like nowadays. they’ve gotten taller."
09:16:12 <sbp> hehe
09:16:23 <sbp> neoëlves
09:17:02 <bjoern_> .gc "ohne ö fehlt dir was"
09:17:05 <phenny> "ohne ö fehlt dir was": 530
09:17:11 <bjoern_> phenny, de "ohne ö fehlt dir was"?
09:17:14 <phenny> bjoern_: "without oe is missing to you which" (de)
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09:47:15 <sbp> .calc 3072 / 2
09:47:18 <phenny> 3 072 / 2 = 1 536
09:47:19 <sbp> .calc 2304 / 2
09:47:23 <phenny> 2 304 / 2 = 1 152
09:47:39 <sbp> .calc 3072 / 3
09:47:42 <phenny> 3 072 / 3 = 1 024
09:47:43 <sbp> .calc 2304 / 3
09:47:45 <phenny> 2 304 / 3 = 768
09:48:06 <m94mni> sbp: just installed phenny on our internal IRC channel
09:48:14 <m94mni> what's up with the private modules?
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09:49:58 <sbp> m94mni: up in what respect?
09:50:09 <sbp> would you like one or more of them? or some kind of information?
09:50:27 <m94mni> what's the reason behind making them private, and can I get them :-)
09:51:11 <sbp> you may have them if you ask nicely, sure :-)
09:51:30 <sbp> you also have to promise not to redistribute
09:51:42 <m94mni> ah, ok
09:52:04 <m94mni> are they in any way "dangerous"
09:52:22 <sbp> nope
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10:15:35 <sbp> .calc 3072 / 2.5
10:15:37 <phenny> 3 072 / 2.5 = 1 228.8
10:15:40 <sbp> .calc 2304 / 2.5
10:15:43 <phenny> 2 304 / 2.5 = 921.6
10:15:44 <sbp> yo Arnia!
10:16:22 <Arnia> Hey sbp!
10:16:24 <Arnia> phenny!
10:16:26 <phenny> Arnia!
10:16:54 * sbp is futzing with images
10:17:02 <sbp> I took a nice photo of some doves
10:17:11 <sbp> but it could do with cropping, and I'm not sure what to crop to
10:17:45 <sbp> ah, this size is great
10:18:00 <nsh> use that magic scaling algorithm thing
10:18:10 <nsh> it'll crop the crap
10:18:54 <Talliesin> 1.61803399
10:19:31 <nsh> .calc 1 / Phi - 1
10:19:34 <phenny> nsh: Sorry, no result.
10:19:38 <Talliesin> The key to having reasonably nice proportions without the need to acquire any draftsmanship.
10:20:30 <nsh> The key to many things, apparantly...
10:22:39 <sbp> .calc 1 / (phi - 1)
10:22:42 <phenny> 1 / (the golden ratio - 1) = 1.61803399
10:22:58 <sbp> and hmm... that's not a bad idea. that might work nicely on this!
10:24:00 <Arnia> The key to keys
10:24:24 * Arnia waits for his housemate to vacate the shower so he can have one and go glasses shopping
10:25:59 <nsh> oh, get a pair with one of those windy transparent straws that go around them. then you can watch yourself drinking while looking debatably cool
10:29:17 <Arnia> hm
10:29:27 <Arnia> think I'll opt for a more standard line
10:31:36 <nsh> ah well
10:31:39 <nsh> oh Arnia
10:36:47 <nsh> http://www.mathnetbase.com/ejournals/authentication/login.asp?URL=/books/622/c1321_fm.pdf
10:37:11 <nsh> think it might be more than one page..
10:37:49 <nsh> ah, pdf, didn't see that
10:39:31 <sbp> "Your Athens subscription is valid however, we do not have your Athens Organization ID on file."
10:39:52 <nsh> ah, one of those
10:39:59 <sbp> yeah...
10:40:14 <nsh> not to worry
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10:40:32 <Monty> welcome, JibberJim
10:40:45 <sbp> I wonder what the easiest way to get Athens access is?
10:40:58 <sbp> perhaps there's some small webcollege you can enroll in, nsh? :-)
10:41:06 <nsh> yah, might do
10:42:20 <wikisockpope> ooh, the guy who writes fan fiction and is real cheap just responded to my project
10:42:26 <sbp> .wik Dong-A University
10:42:29 <phenny> "Dong-A University is a major private university in Korea." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dong-A_University
10:42:30 <sbp> ooh! what'd he say?
10:42:45 <wikisockpope> he made bid of $10/hr but only because thats the lowest the site allows, not sure why he didn't say exactly how little he will work for, but i'm going to ask
10:43:35 <sbp> cool
10:43:53 <wikisockpope> so he may be the right person to write the Erotic Steampunk Mystery
10:44:08 * sbp looks at http://auth.athensams.net/orglist.php
10:44:10 <sbp> the ESM?
10:44:40 <wikisockpope> the ESM starring Ada Lovelace, the FSM and the IPU
10:45:43 <wikisockpope> the FSM will also be a Finite State Machine
10:47:28 <sbp> ahh, good
10:47:44 <sbp> yeah, I liked the sound of that one
10:47:59 * Arnia puts some Divine Comedy on
10:53:41 <Talliesin> :(
10:54:07 <Talliesin> I already had plans for an erotic steampunk story with Ada Lovelace. I am pre-empted
10:54:11 <sbp> hehe
10:54:15 <Talliesin> Not that I'd have ever gotten around to it anyway.
10:54:35 <wikisockpope> Talliesin: you can help with the outline!
10:55:04 <wikisockpope> I'm going to need all the help I can get to give this guy or whoever a really good outline
10:55:09 <wikisockpope> gotta setup a wiki
10:55:14 <wikisockpope> Monty: new nick please
10:55:15 <Monty> (U+BOOB)
10:55:21 <wikisockpope> oh man
10:55:26 <sbp> youboob!
10:55:29 <nsh> youboob!
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10:55:35 <nsh> .gc youboob
10:55:38 <sbp> whoo!
10:55:38 <phenny> youboob: 153,000
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10:56:28 <youboob> this book needs a name
10:57:13 <sbp> hmm
10:57:32 <sbp> Lovelace and the F-gasm?
10:57:47 <Arnia> Hm... FgaSM
10:57:52 <sbp> hmm
10:59:05 <sbp> call it Lovelace Hall
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10:59:14 <sbp> and if you ever print it, give it a really Austenesque cover
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11:00:07 <youboob> Lovelace Lost
11:00:12 <sbp> hehe
11:02:03 <Arnia> Ada Lovelace and the Finite Spaghetti Machine
11:02:28 <Talliesin> That's touching on blasphamey though. You don't want pastafarian fatwas.
11:02:53 <youboob> Talliesin: actually, the fsm is the bad guy in this story
11:03:14 <Talliesin> Ah. Then you're screwed that way anyway.
11:03:43 <youboob> only Ada Lovelace and the Invisible Pink Unicorn can save the world from the vengeful appendages of the FSM
11:03:59 <Talliesin> Oh. It could be like Urotsukidōji but with noodles instead of tentacles.
11:04:15 <youboob> .g Urotsukidoji
11:04:18 <phenny> youboob: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urotsukidoji
11:04:26 <Talliesin> .wik Urotsukidōji
11:04:29 <phenny> "Urotsukidoji (超神伝説うろつき童子, Chōjin Densetsu Urotsukidōji|?|, lit. 'The Legend of the Ultra God and The Wandering Kid') is a series of Japanese Original Video Animation (OVA) releases." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urotsukidōji
11:04:47 <nsh> ..
11:05:12 <nsh> ur-ot-su-ki-do-ji = the legend of the ultra god and the wandering kid
11:05:25 <nsh> wtf, do the japanese speak in bz2?
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11:05:59 <youboob> u-ro-tsu-ki-do-ji actually
11:06:10 <nsh> makes sense
11:07:12 <youboob> 著仁伝説迂路つきどじ
11:07:18 <youboob> hm, not quite
11:07:49 <Talliesin> It pretty much invented the whole tentacle-rape cliche in manga.
11:08:11 <youboob> but yea, there will definitely be noodle sex
11:09:17 <nsh> careful, she squishes buggy type things into her journal
11:09:30 <nsh> i've seen it, ghastly cruel
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11:13:10 <youboob> phenny: "猪仁"?
11:13:13 <phenny> youboob: "Pig kernel" (zh)
11:13:18 <youboob> ha
11:13:31 <youboob> phenny: "超神伝説うろつき童子"?
11:13:36 <phenny> youboob: "Super God legendary loitering baby" (ja)
11:14:10 <youboob> phenny: "猪仁伝説迂路つきどじ"?
11:14:13 <phenny> youboob: "Boar benevolence legendary roundabout way being attached ど じ" (ja)
11:15:06 <bjoern_> .title http://washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071004/NATION/110040081/1001
11:15:08 <sbp> .gc "questions of ill-repute"
11:15:10 <phenny> bjoern_: GOP urges probe in China firm deal - - The Washington Times, America's Newspaper
11:15:11 <phenny> "questions of ill-repute": 0
11:16:10 <Arnia> Hm... Zotero seems cool
11:16:31 <sbp> .g Zotero
11:16:33 <phenny> sbp: http://www.zotero.org/
11:17:08 <sbp> weird, I thought someone mentioned that before
11:17:12 <sbp> perhaps on another channel then
11:17:29 <sbp> oh, no, wait, I think laplink told me about it
11:17:56 <sbp> referer: [he@d problem mit vi]
11:22:19 <Arnia> Awesome paper title: "Fuzzy clustering in parallel universes"
11:22:54 <Arnia> "We present an extension of the fuzzy c-Means algorithm, which operates simultaneously on different feature spaces—so-called parallel universes—and also incorporates noise detection. The method assigns membership values of patterns to different universes, which are then adopted throughout the training."
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11:33:08 <sbp> referer: [how could of the dodo be prevented from being extinct]
11:33:59 <youboob> .calc 1 usd in cdn
11:34:02 <phenny> youboob: Sorry, no result.
11:34:15 <youboob> .calc 1 usd in cad
11:34:17 <phenny> 1 U.S. dollar = 0.996699927 Canadian dollars
11:34:27 <youboob> it actually hit 0.985 15 minutes ago
11:34:55 <Talliesin> buy!
11:35:04 <Talliesin> sell!
11:35:13 <Talliesin> excitement!
11:35:16 <youboob> my boss is doing some forex stuff on the side
11:35:28 <bjoern_> .weather EDFM
11:35:48 <phenny> Scattered, 19℃, 1022mb, Light breeze 11km/h (6kt) (↻) - EDFM 13:20, 1120Z
11:37:29 <sbp> heh, forex
11:38:05 <sbp> if you could buy and sell currency instantaneously based on live rates...
11:38:10 <sbp> surely you could make a fortune?
11:38:19 <Arnia> .calc 1 usd in gbp
11:38:22 <phenny> 1 U.S. dollar = 0.490292214 British pounds
11:39:14 <Talliesin> .weather EIDW
11:39:19 <phenny> Cloudy, 16℃, 1025mb, Gentle breeze 8kt (↑) - EIDW 12:30, 1130Z
11:41:10 <sbp> .calc 1 GBP in USD
11:41:12 <phenny> 1 British pound = 2.0396 U.S. dollars
11:41:19 <Arnia> .weather EGNC
11:41:22 <phenny> Clear ☼, 16℃, 1026mb, Calm 0kt (↑) - EGNC 11:50, 1050Z
11:41:34 <Arnia> woo! Managed to guess the code
11:42:08 <Arnia> .weather EIGW
11:42:10 <phenny> EIGW: no such ICAO code
11:42:13 <Arnia> Damn
11:42:25 <Arnia> .weather EGMN
11:42:28 <phenny> EGMN: no such ICAO code
11:42:32 <Arnia> oh well
11:43:35 <bjoern_> .web http://www.homelandstupidity.us/software/bad-behavior/
11:44:00 <phenny> bjoern_: "We're sorry, but we could not fulfill your request for /software/bad-behavior/ on this server."
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11:49:54 <sbp> interesting: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/7029797.stm
11:50:04 <sbp> "It's where the story of the investigation are being spun from. We've never been categorically told by the stewards that they are investigating what happened."
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12:02:12 <sbp> .weather EGLL
12:02:16 <phenny> Clear ☼, 17℃, 1025mb, Gentle breeze 8kt (↑) - EGLL 12:50, 1150Z
12:03:07 <sbp> .compare precast forediction
12:03:10 <phenny> precast (3,500,000), forediction (1)
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12:20:34 <bjoern_> So I got several dozen requests for a C# version of IECapt
12:20:44 <youboob> whats iecapt?
12:20:49 <bjoern_> I've now investigated doing that, and it seems it's not difficult at all.
12:20:55 <bjoern_> .g IECapt
12:20:58 <phenny> bjoern_: http://iecapt.sourceforge.net/
12:21:12 <bjoern_> html2png if you want
12:23:02 <bjoern_> The main issue for me seems to be how to host IE in an invisible window from C#
12:23:09 <bjoern_> that shouldn't be too tricky though
12:43:16 <sbp> Firefox version of IECapt plz
12:43:34 <bjoern_> I think there are similar apps for ff already
12:43:41 <sbp> 'k
12:43:48 * sbp makes a video for Youtube
12:43:49 <bjoern_> also, with Canvas and toDataURL or whatever it's called, you should be able to do it in script
12:44:00 <bjoern_> using drawWindow or something
12:44:34 <bjoern_> (If you actually find a cmd app that does this, I am all ears...)
12:45:34 <sbp> bjoern_ ∩ (¬ ears) = ε
12:47:17 <Arnia> bjoern_ --> [have_ears] %1%
12:47:31 <sbp> hehe. thanks
12:49:56 <youboob> sbp: what kinda video you making?
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12:50:23 <Arnia> Something heathen I imagine
12:56:47 <sbp> .gc "For Better Visibility Use Goose Neck Camera"
12:56:52 <phenny> "For Better Visibility Use Goose Neck Camera": 0
12:57:01 <sbp> youboob: I made a homemade celt (or wobblestone, or rattleback)
12:57:21 <sbp> .wik Rattleback
12:57:24 <phenny> "A rattleback, also known as a 'celt,' 'Celtic stone,' 'rattlerock,' 'spin bar,' 'anagyre,' 'Tate's,' 'wobble stone' or 'wobblestone,' and by the product names 'ARK,' 'Bizzaro Swirls,' 'RATTLEBACKS,' 'Space Pet' and 'Space Toy,' is a semi-ellipsoidal top which will spin [...]" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rattleback
12:57:25 <shepazu> are you making some sort of bird-eye view documentary?
12:57:40 <sbp> it's just a short clip of it in action
12:57:45 <shepazu> why are you attaching cameras to geese's necks?
12:57:56 <sbp> I'm not. the geese are relatively unrelated
12:58:10 <sbp> not entirely though
12:58:30 <shepazu> I shouldn't think so... most geese interbreed readily
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13:02:13 <bjoern_> Okay figured out the IE hosting in C#
13:02:51 <bjoern_> Well I am not sure whether simply calling Application.DoEvents() is a good approach to keep my form invisible, but it works for now...
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13:06:50 <sbp> .synonyms frenzy
13:07:08 <sbp> .thesaurus frenzy
13:07:11 <phenny> frenzy synonyms: aberration, agitation, blow, bout, burst, conniption*, convulsion, craze, delirium, derangement, distemper, distraction, dithers*, duck fit, excitement, ferment, fever, fit, flap*, furor, fury, fuss,
13:07:15 <phenny> frenzy synonyms: hysteria, insanity, lather, lunacy, madness, mania, outburst, paroxysm, passion, rage, row, ruckus, ruction, rumble, rumpus, seizure, spasm, stew, stir, to do, transport, turmoil, wingding*
13:07:24 <sbp> .w ruction
13:07:27 <phenny> ruction n. 1: The act of making a noisy disturbance.
13:07:35 <sbp> .gc ruction
13:07:38 <phenny> ruction: 357,000
13:19:54 <thelsdj> .w paroxysm
13:19:56 <phenny> thelsdj: 04 Oct 07:53Z <cuneiformsigneaa> tell thelsdj that d8uv totally wins.
13:19:56 <phenny> paroxysm n. 1: A sudden uncontrollable attack.
13:20:26 <thelsdj> phenny: DI'NT YOU KNOW THOZE OTHER NICKZ WERE'Z ME?!?!
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13:48:59 <sbp> well that was weird
13:49:03 <sbp> X-Chat got all closen without me even noticing
13:49:18 <sbp> some focus weirdness, perhaps?
13:49:37 <sbp> it looks like some channels must've got closed, and then the whole client
13:58:49 <bjoern_> Okay IECapt# works now.
13:59:18 <bjoern_> That was easy, I wonder why they all mailed me.
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14:20:10 <laplink> .title http://rentzsch.com/notes/applesantiCAPSLOCK
14:20:59 <phenny> Can't connect to http://rentzsch.com/notes/applesantiCAPSLOCK
14:21:18 <laplink> Really? It's slow but it's not /that/ slow.
14:21:29 <laplink> Mine should arrive today (need to pick it up at the grocery store cum post office).
14:22:17 <laplink> The anti-CAPS bias sounds nice, but to really cure it they should prevent caps lock from engaging when you press-and-hold it while hitting another key.
14:22:42 <jsled> Pfft. All good internet shouting is DONE HOLDING DOWN HISFT ANYWAHYS>
14:22:58 <laplink> My mis-capslocks happen when I go for a initial caps and hit capslock instead of shift.
14:23:01 <shepazu> I just remapped my keys... capslock is now backspace
14:23:29 <laplink> And that one should be fairly reliably detectable automatically.
14:24:03 <Morbus> yay
14:26:05 <laplink> .gc pixelmator
14:26:08 <phenny> pixelmator: 1,520,000
14:26:26 <laplink> heh. Was zero in February ccording to the TUAW interview.
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14:56:24 <laplink> .title http://www.boingboing.net/2007/10/04/photographing-totem.html
14:56:27 <phenny> laplink: Photographing totem poles forbidden without permit - Boing Boing
14:57:10 <laplink> «"It borders on extortion," [Mr. Langevin] said.»
14:57:39 <laplink> It doesn't border on extortion, it /is/ extortion.
14:58:09 <laplink> .wik Extortion
14:58:12 <phenny> "Extortion or outwresting is a criminal offense, which occurs when a person either obtains money, property or services from another through coercion or intimidation or threatens one with physical or reputational harm unless they are paid money or property." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extortion
15:03:04 <laplink> In fact, someone with Canadian citizenship should file criminal charges against the city of Duncan.
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15:19:35 <laplink> .title http://lwn.net/Articles/252971/
15:19:38 <phenny> laplink: Setting time the right way, the Linux way (Linux-Watch) [LWN.net]
15:25:14 <laplink> .title http://www.wired.com/politics/security/commentary/securitymatters/2007/10/securitymatters_1004
15:25:18 <phenny> laplink: Gathering 'Storm' Superworm Poses Grave Threat to PC Nets
15:26:02 <laplink> When Bruce Schneier starts sweating, it's time to Panic!
15:28:05 <Arnia> Don't Panic Mr Mannering!
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15:34:01 <bjoern_> .title http://www.guardian.co.uk/crime/article/0,,2184020,00.html
15:34:05 <phenny> bjoern_: Engineer shot himself with nail-gun | Special reports | Guardian Unlimited
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15:36:00 <bjoern_> .title http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,2184234,00.html
15:36:04 <phenny> bjoern_: Guardian Unlimited | Comment is free | It can conjure up a mood for sex, and might just curb the need for drugs
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15:38:05 <bjoern_> "The songs of blackbirds, thrushes, wrens and bluetits are being re-engineered into something called "sonicstream" by the project's guru, Chris Watson. He claims they "should prove incredibly recharging and uplifting" and even offer "a new dimension to hospital neurological research". If this leads to a breakthrough, Big Pharma has had its day."
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15:45:23 <bjoern_> .title http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/Top_News/2007/10/05/bush_us_does_not_torture_people/2311/
15:45:26 <phenny> bjoern_: Bush: U.S. 'does not torture people'
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15:57:29 <Tene> bjoern_: it's still surprising to you that bush lies in public?
15:59:32 <bjoern_> Does he lie? He said "This government does not torture people,", depending on how you define "this government", "torture" and "people", that may well be a perfectly accurate statement.
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16:01:54 <laplink> Bush? Gives speeches? To the people? Then QED, I should think.
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16:22:01 * sbp orders more DVDs...
16:22:27 <sbp> I just got 100 4.7GB discs (well, 50, and 50 arrived yesterday)
16:22:36 <sbp> so, 470 GB...
16:22:55 <sbp> must be nearing a TB by now
16:23:04 <bjoern_> are they still cheaper than a hard drive of the same size?
16:23:20 <sbp> yeah, I think so
16:23:35 <sbp> trouble is, I'm really fussy about burning data
16:23:40 <sbp> I tend to do it in triplicate
16:23:47 <sbp> and across two different brands
16:24:09 <bjoern_> In my experience, that is quite sensible.
16:24:11 <laplink> Have you tried finding DL disks? Any more reliable supply over your way than mine?
16:24:21 <sbp> DL?
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16:24:49 <laplink> Sual Layer, ~8GB.
16:24:59 <sbp> oh, right. I haven't tried that out, nope
16:25:01 <bjoern_> hard drives are 18 eurocent / gb here apparently.
16:25:03 * laplink cuts off his S key…
16:25:19 <sbp> hmm
16:25:23 <sbp> .title http://club.cdfreaks.com/showthread.php?t=183520
16:25:27 <phenny> sbp: Dual Layer media by Taiyo Yuden to appear! - Blank Media - Club CD Freaks
16:25:53 <sbp> I've got Taiyo Yuden (good) and TDK (cheap) here
16:26:37 <sbp> Taiyo Yuden canes everything else in simulated ageing tests, as far as I've been able to find out
16:26:47 <sbp> they use the dye that NIST recommends
16:26:59 <laplink> As I think I ranted about… Checking 4 office supply and electronics stores, I managed to find a single fivepack of DL disks.
16:27:08 <sbp> yeah, I think I remember that rant
16:28:57 <sbp> hmm. August I generated 10+ GB of main data. September was only 3.7, so not bad...
16:29:25 <sbp> 352 MB so far this month
16:29:34 <sbp> not including photos and videos though
16:29:35 <bjoern_> Seems hd:dvd is roughly 1:2.3 here.
16:29:41 <sbp> of which I've just generated an assload
16:29:49 <sbp> ôrly? ooh
16:30:00 * sbp looks up the state-of-the-art in cheap USB drives...
16:30:35 <bjoern_> so cheaper yes, but not so much
16:31:19 <sbp> hmm. Western Digital do a 500 GB drive for £68.94
16:31:38 <sbp> these Taiyo Yudens were £9.50 for 25, not including the ridiculous postage
16:31:54 <sbp> .calc 68.94 / 500
16:31:57 <phenny> 68.94 / 500 = 0.13788
16:32:05 <sbp> .calc 9.50 / (25 * 4.7)
16:32:08 <phenny> 9.50 / (25 * 4.7) = 0.0808510638
16:32:25 <bjoern_> .calc 68.94 GBP per 500 GB in EUR per GB
16:32:28 <phenny> (68.94 British pounds) per (500 GB) = 0.198545642 Euros per GB
16:32:30 <sbp> so yeah, 8p per DVD/GB, compared to 13p per HD/GB
16:32:52 <sbp> unless I've mismathsed
16:33:02 <sbp> which is an awesome freaking word
16:33:03 <sbp> .gc mismathsed
16:33:06 <phenny> mismathsed: 0
16:33:11 <sbp> .gc missmathsed
16:33:15 <phenny> missmathsed: 0
16:33:43 <sbp> so about 10p per GB for storage these days
16:33:50 <sbp> quite funny
16:34:25 <bpt> .gc mismathed
16:34:27 <phenny> mismathed: 342
16:34:35 <bjoern_> I think we calculated earlier here that the storage per money doubles every year...
16:34:35 <sbp> ugh
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16:34:55 <sbp> 5p/GB next year then, your prediction?
16:35:20 <bjoern_> empirical data suggests roughly that, yes.
16:35:25 <sbp> Monty: remind me in 365 days to calculate price/storage again. it was 8p for DVD and 13p for HD at the moment, and bjoern_ says he thinks we worked out it halves every year
16:35:26 <Monty> sbp: Okay, I'll remind you about that on Sat Oct 04 17:36:56 BST 2008
16:35:56 <sbp> Monty: reminds me in 366 days to THIS YEAR WAS A LEAP YEAR
16:36:00 <Monty> it they "should prove incredibly recharging and 50 arrived yesterday)
16:36:06 <sbp> Monty: remind me in 366 days to THIS YEAR WAS A LEAP YEAR
16:36:06 <Monty> sbp: Okay, I'll remind you about that on Sun Oct 05 17:37:36 BST 2008
16:36:09 <sbp> mismontysed
16:36:12 <Monty> with twitter to you as i can be nasty
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16:38:59 <sbp> Monty: are you am Doktor Pepper?
16:39:02 <Monty> some channels must've got so not bad...
16:39:21 <sbp> Monty: baby you're so not bad to the bone
16:39:23 <Monty> gropes fifth bagged cogs!
16:39:32 <sbp> so not bad
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16:43:39 <sbp> hey, Alt+Enter does a soft-enter in X-Chat Aqua
16:43:40 <sbp> neat. and Cmd+A works. haven't tried to find either of those things before
16:45:10 <sbp> hmm, even 1TB external drives don't seem as insane as they used to be
16:45:20 <sbp> £182.19 for a Western Digital again
16:45:36 <sbp> I think that's come down a lot in just a few months
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17:04:29 <xover> Wow, this new keyboard is going to take some geting used to.
17:05:10 <xover> Still not crazy about the whole white-on-metal thing, but seeing it IRL it actually kinda works.
17:05:30 <xover> It´s also insanely small.
17:05:49 <xover> It looked fleet and elegant in the product shots, but IRL it´s just fucking tiny.
17:06:10 <xover> Still the keys and spacing are only marginally on the cramped end of the scale.
17:06:32 <xover> It may drive me batty over time, but so far my fingers are coping quite well.
17:07:06 <xover> Time to get rid of that horrible horrible Logitech Control Center shite once and for all.
17:09:33 <bjoern_> hmm hadn't seen this
17:09:37 <bjoern_> [[[
17:09:37 <bjoern_> Ten years after Congress ordered federal agencies to have outside auditors review their books, neither the Defense Department nor the newer Department of Homeland Security has met even basic accounting requirements, leaving them vulnerable to waste, fraud and abuse.
17:09:37 <bjoern_> An Associated Press review shows that the two departments' financial records are so disorganized and inconsistent that they have repeatedly earned ``disclaimer'' opinions, meaning that they simply cannot be fully audited.
17:09:37 <bjoern_> ]]] - http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,,-6922239,00.html
17:10:12 <bjoern_> .gc "quadruply appalled"
17:10:15 <phenny> "quadruply appalled": 274
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17:19:38 <xover> Yay, LCC free!
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17:24:55 <Monty> But what does bear have to do with the price of fish?
17:24:57 <phenny> Hush there, Monty.
17:25:01 <Monty> if (scent == cellophane) { establishments installs stark-naked sausage-roll;}
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17:37:58 <bjoern_> .title http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Fqpp-IAXF0
17:38:03 <phenny> bjoern_: YouTube - Fahrende Bierkiste in Kaufbeuren
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17:42:34 <bjoern_> .title http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c32_1190538593
17:42:38 <phenny> bjoern_: LiveLeak.com - Swedish Tv Host Throws Up On Live TV!!
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17:51:25 <Jabberwock> So.. think I should try out django?
17:51:34 <xover> «Installing GarageBand Magic Content» Uh huh? That´s not exactly reassuring me, Apple!
17:57:17 <xover> I need to reboot to install a “Keyboard Software Update”?!?
17:57:32 <xover> The fuck Apple. Taking lessons from MSFT again are we?
17:58:13 <bjoern_> You don't have to reboot Windows for a Keyboard Software Upda... err what?
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18:01:22 <bjoern_> "If those funds committed into the future are taken into account, the federal deficit this year would be about $2 trillion, not $158 billion, said Smetters, who teaches at the University of Pennsylvania's Wharton School."
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18:01:37 <xover> And why is it “Installing: ” an “Installing iPhoto Updater” package?
18:02:15 * bjoern_ pats his win2k3...
18:02:35 * xover glares at Apple…
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18:06:17 <xover> Well, at least the “<” and “'” are in thir rightful places now.
18:06:33 <xover> The “e” seems to have escaped though.
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19:18:10 <lisppaste2> sbp pasted "30 Most Frequently Used Dotted Phenny Commands" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/48711
19:18:40 <sbp> top ten most frequently used are:
19:18:41 <sbp> gc, g, wik, calc, cp, ety, w, compare, pc, rate
19:19:08 * bjoern_ was trying to graph frequently linked to domains, but there was too much data for graphviz to turn it into something sensible
19:19:08 <sbp> top ten this year only:
19:19:10 <sbp> 2864 .gc
19:19:10 <sbp> 1320 .wik
19:19:10 <sbp> 773 .calc
19:19:10 <sbp> 700 .g
19:19:10 <sbp> 622 .cp
19:19:11 <sbp> 554 .compare
19:19:13 <sbp> 509 .ety
19:19:15 <sbp> 404 .title
19:19:17 <sbp> 379 .weather
19:19:19 <sbp> 302 .pc
19:19:37 <sbp> heh. take just the top of the crop?
19:19:43 <bjoern_> even then!
19:19:46 <sbp> yikes
19:20:18 <bjoern_> although one result was fairly pretty
19:20:21 * bjoern_ uploads
19:23:50 <bjoern_> hmm looks like utter crap in firefox/opera
19:24:13 <sbp> take a screenshot of whatever you were using that made it pretty?
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19:27:04 <bjoern_> NO! /me batikizorz instead
19:27:28 <sbp> ooh. planet links
19:27:48 <sbp> you know, you could just upload to photos.cx...
19:28:54 <bjoern_> There are pirates on the tubes, stealing my graphs.
19:34:37 <thelsdj> someone else bid $1,200
19:34:59 <sbp> heh. getting there!
19:35:06 <sbp> what kind of level are you looking for?
19:37:33 <thelsdj> well i did get that fan fic guy to bid and his was for $1k and i think he will maybe go for a lot less than that
19:38:15 <thelsdj> I'm hoping to find some other people to go in on this with me, even if its $400, I'd rather split it
19:38:30 <thelsdj> .wik Tokophobia
19:38:32 <phenny> "Tokophobia, or fear of childbirth, is a form of specific phobia." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokophobia
19:39:11 <sbp> yeah, it's a lot of monies
19:39:22 <cre8radix> boomboom
19:39:42 <sbp> creee8888888888ra88a8da8d8a8d8didiiixxxxXXXxxxxxxxhotxxxaxxionxxxXxx
19:40:09 <thelsdj> i don't think i'm going to get much less than $500
19:42:45 <sbp> perhaps you could pitch it on the Swhack Mailing List?
19:42:54 <sbp> we could all pledge a bit once you get a low-low offer
19:43:05 <sbp> and if we reach the subscription limit, then we all have to pay up
19:43:37 <sbp> people who pledge have the right to pitch in on the wiki
19:43:44 <sbp> (say)
19:43:57 <thelsdj> ya i'll see exactly how low this guy will go, also i'm hoping that he'll take payment as we go, like twice a week throughout november
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20:16:14 <sbp> laplink: ping
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20:18:24 <bjoern_> .gc pingzeringz
20:18:32 <phenny> pingzeringz: 0
20:19:28 <thelsdj> nice, you don't hear people call someone a douche on network tv
20:19:46 <thelsdj> (normally)
20:19:49 * Arnia_ jumps behind the sofa
20:25:53 <thelsdj> hmm, they removed the deaf character from bionic woman
20:26:06 <thelsdj> supposedly she was portraied by a hearing actress
20:26:19 <thelsdj> and people complained because the actress couldn't sign for shit
20:26:40 <thelsdj> the older sister character who can hear could sign better than the deaf character
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21:05:43 <xover> sbp: pong?
21:10:16 <thelsdj> sbp, xover, laplink: SHITRUDE!
21:10:22 <thelsdj> .gc shitrude
21:10:25 <phenny> shitrude: 9
21:10:28 <thelsdj> woo!
21:11:58 <thelsdj> jsled: you win
21:12:36 <thelsdj> (re: http://asynchronous.org/blog/archives/2007/10/04/java_array_iteration.html)
21:12:53 <xover> .shitrude
21:13:03 <xover> phenny: reload shitrude
21:13:05 <phenny> ImportError: No module named shitrude (file "/home/sbp/phenny/modules/reload.py", line 12, in f_reload)
21:14:04 <jsled> Hmm. Interesting last result, there...
21:15:19 <thelsdj> oh man
21:15:37 <thelsdj> Monty: are you Monte?
21:15:37 <Monty> Perhaps I am monte in your fantasies.
21:15:51 <thelsdj> yea, i think thats definitely a site by monty
21:15:52 <Monty> wildly guessing here.
21:19:12 <xover> .wik Shemp
21:19:36 <jsled> thelsdj: how'd I win, btw?
21:19:47 <thelsdj> jsled: you used 'shitrude'
21:20:07 <thelsdj> and google found it
21:20:14 <phenny> Can't connect to en.wikipedia.org (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shemp)
21:20:33 <thelsdj> http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b386/morgantheorgan/SnapshotHunter/PA050007b.jpg
21:21:04 <thelsdj> acordion frog ftw
21:21:55 <bjoern_> .calc 0x023d in decimal
21:22:08 <phenny> 0x023d = 573
21:22:15 <bjoern_> .calc 0x0318 in decimal
21:22:27 <phenny> 0x0318 = 792
21:22:41 <bjoern_> .calc 0x0222 in decimal
21:22:45 <bjoern_> .calc 0x0310 in decimal
21:22:54 <phenny> 0x0222 = 546
21:23:06 <phenny> 0x0310 = 784
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21:26:00 <julian-> .ety light
21:26:17 <phenny> "'brightness,' O.E. leht, earlier leoht, from W.Gmc. *leukhtam (cf. O.Fris. liacht, M.Du. lucht, Ger. Licht), from PIE *leuk- 'light, brightness' (cf. Skt. rocate 'shines;' Arm. lois 'light,' lusin 'moon;' Gk. leukos 'bright, shining, white;' L. lucere 'to shine,' lux [...]" - http://etymonline.com/?term=light
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22:48:51 <jsled> .title http://www.mcphee.com/items/11798.html
22:48:58 <phenny> jsled: Gummy Tapeworm - Candy - Archie McPhee®
22:51:14 <thelsdj> oh my god: http://www.mcphee.com/items/11554.html
22:51:48 <bjoern_> You called?
22:51:58 <jsled> heh.
22:52:12 <thelsdj> yea i do that sometimes, though i say 'yes my son?'
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22:53:00 <thelsdj> cold war unicorns: http://www.mcphee.com/items/11674.html
22:53:35 <thelsdj> wwud?: http://www.mcphee.com/items/11562.html
22:56:47 <jsled> [[[
22:56:48 <jsled> "Kickin' your ass is gonna be a lot easier than the guitar part in 'YYZ.' No joke, some of that shit's in, like, 10/8. Man, Alex Lifeson is underrated."
22:56:54 <jsled> ]]] - ...
22:56:57 <jsled> .title http://www.mcsweeneys.net/links/lists/4WayneGladstone.html
22:57:00 <phenny> jsled: McSweeney's Internet Tendency: Progressive-Rock Fans Are Terrible Trash-Talkers.
22:57:33 *** bjoern_ changed the topic to: "Happy Ecological Debt Day"
22:58:57 <bjoern_> Also, happy German-American Day
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23:45:14 <KragenSitaker> hi
23:45:37 <bjoern_> Above the sun, KragenSitaker!
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23:47:12 <KragenSitaker> someone said my name
23:47:18 <KragenSitaker> on this channel
23:47:22 <KragenSitaker> .swhack KragenSitaker
23:47:24 <phenny> KragenSitaker: http://swhack.com/logs/2007-10-05#T04-24-12
23:47:35 <bjoern_> can't be! unpossible!
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23:49:37 <glen_quagmire> who never had a girlfriend?
23:49:42 <bjoern_> Above the sun, glen_quagmire!
23:49:49 <KragenSitaker> oh, it was kpreid
23:49:51 <bjoern_> Does Monty count?
23:49:59 <Monty> even basic accounting requirements, leaving them to find myself being re-engineered into Google Maps to and new T-Zones and get like 30 touch too
23:50:06 * kpreid it was.
23:50:07 <glen_quagmire> i thought phenny was Monty's
23:50:08 <Monty> ??rly? ooh
23:50:28 <KragenSitaker> phenny, ask kpreid how the notion of intelligence agency monitoring could be improved
23:50:30 <phenny> KragenSitaker: I'll pass that on when kpreid is around.
23:50:46 <kpreid> phenny: tell KragenSitaker to see the immediately following line
23:50:48 <phenny> kpreid: I'll pass that on when kragensitaker is around.
23:50:50 <phenny> kpreid: 23:52Z <KragenSitaker> ask kpreid how the notion of intelligence agency monitoring could be improved
23:51:43 <KragenSitaker> sorry
23:51:46 <phenny> KragenSitaker: 23:52Z <kpreid> tell KragenSitaker to see the immediately following line
23:51:46 <glen_quagmire> getting a girlfriend is a unsolvable problem or recursively enumerable
23:52:56 <JibberJim> erm,
23:53:09 <JibberJim> I thought getting a gf was just a function of alcohol consumption
23:53:26 <KragenSitaker> how about meeting lonely women and being friendly to them?
23:53:36 <KragenSitaker> although i guess in the UK that might require alcohol consumption
23:53:54 <KragenSitaker> i found this anti-web-2.0-cluelessness post hilarious: http://www.joethepeacock.com/2007/10/unordered-list-of-thoughts-i-had-during.php
23:55:38 <kpreid> I misread your remark and thought it was going to be a post exhibiting cluelessness
23:55:44 <kpreid> I am disappointed!
23:55:56 <bjoern_> condolences!
23:56:31 <bjoern_> getting a gf is an optimization problem.
23:57:09 <glen_quagmire> and premature optimization is root of all evils
23:57:17 <bjoern_> .title http://science.slashdot.org/science/07/10/05/2114247.shtml
23:57:26 <bjoern_> Tags: science, technology, tagsneedmoderation, mypeepeesmellslikecatfood
23:57:34 <KragenSitaker> getting a gf is a spiritual problem.
23:57:41 <bjoern_> NO, U !
23:58:27 <phenny> bjoern_: Slashdot | Video of Wild Crow Tool Use Caught With Tail Cams
23:59:42 <nsh> disney was right, they are almost human!
