00:03:21 <Arnia> glen_quagmire: if you want a good example of Muse's operatic nihilism: http://youtube.com/watch?v=VTd6nyHuPdw
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00:05:31 <glen_quagmire> oh scary . one girl is smoking in their concert
00:06:12 <glen_quagmire> rock bands do everything live. i can't believe it
00:06:31 <glen_quagmire> dance groups just use cd
00:08:15 <Arnia> I'm not sure Muse is exactly rock... its like what you get if you mix rock with Wagner, throw in a little Rachmaninov and have Nietzche write the lyrics
00:08:35 <glen_quagmire> i bet muse's lead singer is popular among girls. he sings, plays gutar and piano
00:08:59 <bancus> ROCKmaninov
00:09:01 * bancus headbangs
00:09:14 <Arnia> bancus: imagine Beethoven with access to a synthesiser
00:09:21 <Arnia> Actually, that's a terrifying thought
00:09:22 <bancus> You mean like in Bill and Ted?
00:09:39 <Arnia> Sort of, but more in keeping with his temperamental nature
00:10:22 * bancus is familiar with Muse.
00:14:13 <Arnia> Aha... http://youtube.com/watch?v=yyrYvvSV5PE
00:19:52 <Arnia> I want to see the Divine Comedy live again :/
00:19:53 <Arnia> http://youtube.com/watch?v=p1sfJbc30B0
00:25:20 <kpreid> phenny: tell sbp http://www.inference.phy.cam.ac.uk/cjb/codepoints.html
00:25:22 <phenny> kpreid: I'll pass that on when sbp is around.
00:25:24 <kpreid> .title http://www.inference.phy.cam.ac.uk/cjb/codepoints.html
00:25:28 <phenny> kpreid: Chris Ball: : Favourite Unicode Codepoints
00:28:03 <kpreid> sadly, ๛ doesn't look nearly as interesting as their sample in the font I have available
00:30:51 <Arnia> Pretty impressive playing
00:30:53 <Arnia> .title http://youtube.com/watch?v=d2tbdsblDFo
00:30:54 <phenny> Arnia: YouTube - La Valse D'Amelie - Theremin
00:40:50 <glen_quagmire> I wish I can be in a group like this: http://youtube.com/watch?v=WvcN6JYNG8I
00:41:32 <bjoern_> .pc ﷺ
00:41:32 <phenny> FDFA: ARABIC LIGATURE SALLALLAHOU ALAYHE WASALLAM (ﷺ)
00:45:06 <bjoern_> Hmm, I trying to figure out how to port my mod_perl traffic2db thingy to C and I am not sure why this is:
00:45:48 <bjoern_> mod_rewrite has a per-server log file to debug rewritings; however, when writing to it, it uses a global mutex for locking.
00:46:26 <bjoern_> Shouldn't it tie the mutex to the log file?
00:46:47 <glen_quagmire> all I know python has global interpreter lock
00:46:52 <glen_quagmire> ^ is
00:50:37 <glen_quagmire> oh maybe per-server log file
00:52:10 <glen_quagmire> Resource deadlock avoided: mod_rewrite: failed to lock file descriptor
00:52:20 <Arnia> .title http://youtube.com/watch?v=DEW1fzQ6MhQ
00:52:20 <phenny> Arnia: YouTube - Yann Tiersen & Neil Hannon : Geronimo
01:01:41 <d8uv> So what unicode font has All The Codepoints
01:06:37 <bjoern_> There probably is no such font.
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01:20:12 <bjoern_> <Chaplain to U.S. solider> You'll start feeling better when you are over there in the desert and start killing people.
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02:05:24 <perigrin> way to support that "thou shalt not kill" commandment.
02:14:45 <bjoern_> It's probably part of a larger plan http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/07/us/07halo.html
02:16:13 <bjoern_> .title http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime_file/2007/10/12/2007-10-12_jailed_93_wtc_bomber_claims_hes_now_a_ch.html
02:16:16 <phenny> bjoern_: Jailed '93 WTC bomber claims he's now a Christian
02:16:53 <deltab> http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/07/us/07halo.html?ex=1349409600&en=7ee896e665c85911&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss
02:17:01 <perigrin> "<>There is no phenotype</>" -- http://worsethanfailure.com/Articles/XML-Koan-from-the-Fourth-Dimension.aspx
02:38:28 <KragenSitaker> hey, i have a question about Unicode.
02:38:44 <KragenSitaker> Why are all the codepoints named in ALL CAPITAL LETTERS?
02:39:15 <KragenSitaker> I would think that the folks working on the standard, since they are experts on writing systems, would have heard of the invention of lower-case letters by now.
02:39:46 <bjoern_> so you'd write them all lower-case?
02:40:21 <KragenSitaker> no, I would use the distinction between upper and lower case to convey semantic information, such as which parts of the names are proper names.
02:40:58 <KragenSitaker> Every time I read Unicode character names, I feel like there's an extremely erudite scholar SHOUTING INTO MY FACE. He says things like "U+FDFA! ARABIC LIGATURE SALLALLAHOU ALAYHE WASALLAM!"
02:41:27 <deltab> erudite or just rude?
02:41:34 <KragenSitaker> Both!
02:41:48 <KragenSitaker> In fact, I think he's both shitrude and shiterudite.
02:43:15 <KragenSitaker> He's clearly extremely erudite because he knows hundreds of writing systems.
02:45:02 <KragenSitaker> my favorite codepoints are the ornate parentheses i think.
02:45:04 <KragenSitaker> .cp ornate
02:45:07 <phenny> FD3E: ORNATE LEFT PARENTHESIS (﴾)
02:45:10 <phenny> FD3F: ORNATE RIGHT PARENTHESIS (﴿)
02:45:35 <KragenSitaker> although the sikh symbol is pretty cool too
02:45:37 <KragenSitaker> .cp sikh
02:45:39 <phenny> Sorry, no results found for 'sikh'.
02:45:45 <KragenSitaker> i forget what it's called
02:46:00 <kpreid> KragenSitaker: I would predict that the single-case was chosen to minimize arguments about what should be in what case
02:46:27 <KragenSitaker> kpreid: that sounds entirely plausible
02:46:36 <KragenSitaker> all-lowercase would be better than that
02:46:45 <KragenSitaker> but still
02:47:04 <KragenSitaker> .cp khanda
02:47:06 <phenny> 09CE: BENGALI LETTER KHANDA TA (ৎ)
02:47:08 <kpreid> well, since it's single-case you can convert it )
02:47:10 <kpreid> :)
02:47:13 <KragenSitaker> true :)
02:47:16 <deltab> the good thing is that you can convert it to lowercase with no loss of ... yeah
02:48:41 <KragenSitaker> i'm not going to put a filter in my irc client to downcase phenny output though
02:48:50 <KragenSitaker> nor reprint my copy of the standard
02:48:51 <KragenSitaker> etc.
02:49:15 <kpreid> bah. what use is information you can't bulk-reformat?!
02:49:16 <KragenSitaker> i know there's a khanda codepoint, but i don't remember what it's called
02:49:18 <kpreid> :)
02:49:25 <KragenSitaker> heh
02:49:54 <KragenSitaker> it definitely is not ৎ
02:50:59 <KragenSitaker> some of the other sort of logotype symbols are cool too
02:51:01 <KragenSitaker> .cp biohazard
02:51:03 <KragenSitaker> .cp radiation
02:51:03 <phenny> 2623: BIOHAZARD SIGN (☣)
02:51:05 <phenny> Sorry, no results found for 'radiation'.
02:51:09 <kpreid> [[[
02:51:11 <KragenSitaker> .cp radioactiv
02:51:13 <phenny> 2622: RADIOACTIVE SIGN (☢)
02:51:17 <kpreid> ]]] [[[
02:51:29 <kpreid> Where is the wisdom? Lost in the knowledge.
02:51:29 <kpreid> Where is the knowledge? Lost in the information.
02:51:29 <kpreid> -- T.S. Eliot
02:51:29 <kpreid> Where is the information? Lost in the data.
02:51:31 <kpreid> Where is the data? Lost in the #@$$%?!& database.
02:51:34 <kpreid> -- Joe Celko
02:51:36 <kpreid> ]]]
02:51:38 <KragenSitaker> (sorry about that)
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04:25:33 <bjoern_> .gc strbspck
04:25:36 <phenny> strbspck: 1
04:48:44 <bjoern_> .gc uncompliant
04:48:47 <phenny> uncompliant: 21,700
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06:01:06 <thelsdj> .title http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jQtkGJMtH0
06:01:09 <phenny> thelsdj: YouTube - H. P. Lovecraft 1933 WPA Newsreel Interview
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07:23:28 <sbp> phenny: tell kpreid thanks; knew about that page. quite a good selection!
07:23:31 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when kpreid is around.
07:24:09 <sbp> "shiterudite" - heh!
07:24:53 <bjoern_> .acronym sbp
07:24:56 <phenny> SLY BLEAT PHILOMELA
07:25:00 <bjoern_> SLY BLEAT PHILOMELA!
07:25:45 <sbp> what!
07:25:48 <sbp> .acronym bjoern_
07:25:51 <phenny> sbp: Sorry, words must be alphabetical.
07:25:54 <bjoern_> PWND
07:25:56 <sbp> : : : / / /
07:25:57 <sbp> .acronym bjoern
07:26:00 <phenny> BUCKLER JOURNAL OUTLIV EMPIRICUTIC RE-ANSWER NEEDY
07:26:05 <sbp> .acronym underscore
07:26:08 <phenny> UNIVERSITIES NIMBLE-PINION DISCONTENTED EXPEDITIOUS RESIGN STARVED COACHMAKERS ORANGE-WIFE RIDETH EPISTLES
07:26:23 <sbp> you nimble-pinioned discontent
07:26:37 <sbp> .gc empiricutic
07:26:40 <phenny> empiricutic: 964
07:26:53 <bjoern_> .mangle buckler journal outliv empiricutic re-answer needy universities nimble-pinion discontented expeditious resign starved coachmakers orange-wife rideth epistles
07:27:10 <phenny> bjoern_: "University that the system of outliv is him directly the bad one, small with order of fabric of much of newspapers silk empiricutic more fast, nobody of D more cars of verhungert of reanswer of rideth, Mrs. their orange, Episteln, which adjusts it, which, because it is unpleasant with that, it"
07:29:12 <bjoern_> UTTSOOIHDTBOSWOOFOMONSEMFNODMCOVORORMTOEWAIWBIIUWTI!
07:30:26 <bjoern_> OMG HAVE YOU SEEN THIS SLY BLEAT PHILOMELA http://www.w3.org/2007/10/sw-logos.html
07:36:01 <pierpa> .acronym pierpa
07:36:04 <phenny> PERSIA IMPIETY ELEPHANT RUBB PHILO ADJOURN
07:36:22 <bjoern_> @nickometer pierpa
07:36:23 <supybot> bjoern_: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "pierpa" is 0.0%.
07:36:39 <pierpa> what is this?
07:37:19 <pierpa> supybot: help
07:37:20 <supybot> pierpa: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
07:37:39 <pierpa> supybot: help nickometer
07:37:39 <supybot> pierpa: (nickometer [<nick>]) -- Tells you how lame said nick is. If <nick> is not given, uses the nick of the person giving the command.
07:37:49 <pierpa> hmmmm
07:38:23 <pierpa> @nickometer supybot
07:38:24 <supybot> pierpa: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "supybot" is 0.0%.
07:38:41 <pierpa> @nickometer bjoern
07:38:42 <supybot> pierpa: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "bjoern" is 0.0%.
07:38:51 <pierpa> @nickometer fax
07:38:52 <supybot> pierpa: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "fax" is 0.0%.
07:39:18 <pierpa> @nickometer p1erp4
07:39:19 <supybot> pierpa: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "p1erp4" is 75.3%.
07:39:24 <pierpa> aha!
07:40:20 <pierpa> @nickometer 334
07:40:21 <supybot> pierpa: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "334" is 44.3%.
07:44:51 <perigrin> @nickometer perigrin
07:44:52 <supybot> perigrin: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "perigrin" is 0.0%.
07:45:01 <perigrin> @nickometer sbp
07:45:02 <supybot> perigrin: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "sbp" is 0.0%.
07:45:12 <perigrin> @nickometer dahut
07:45:13 <supybot> perigrin: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "dahut" is 0.0%.
07:45:24 <perigrin> full of not-lame people
07:45:47 <bjoern_> @nickometer Xanthor[aw]
07:45:48 <supybot> bjoern_: Error: "aw" is not a valid command.
07:45:54 <bjoern_> hehe
07:46:14 <perigrin> @nickometer cre8radix|off
07:46:14 <supybot> perigrin: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "cre8radix|off" is 27.9%.
07:46:25 <perigrin> @nickometer karamba38
07:46:25 <supybot> perigrin: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "karamba38" is 27.2%.
07:46:35 <perigrin> @nickometer bjoern_
07:46:36 <supybot> perigrin: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "bjoern_" is 0.0%.
07:46:38 <pierpa> .weather lirf
07:46:41 <phenny> Cover Unknown, 16℃, 1017mb, N SC, Light breeze 4kt (↑) - LIRF, 9:20, 0720Z
07:47:49 <pierpa> any bot here that can lookup location from IP?
07:48:01 * bjoern_ thinks not
07:49:17 <pierpa> http://www.hostip.info/use.html
07:53:12 <thelsdj> sbp: i got a $900 bid from someone who has done nanowrimo twice before, and they've written a 'time travelling werewolf vs zombie story'
07:56:41 <bjoern_> so the $900 is to pay the psychiatrist?
07:58:52 <lisppaste2> thelsdj pasted "nanowrimo bid" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/49110
08:01:09 <thelsdj> "There was no time for shoes if I wanted the hooker to live." - http://saintofdaybreak.livejournal.com/
08:01:09 <sbp> @nickometer 0mGR0FF13
08:01:10 <supybot> sbp: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "0mGR0FF13" is 99.7%.
08:01:23 <sbp> @nickometer 0MGR0FF13
08:01:24 <supybot> sbp: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "0MGR0FF13" is 99.8%.
08:01:27 <thelsdj> i wish i had $900 to spend on this right now, this guy is great
08:01:40 <sbp> thelsdj: hehe. you should pitch it to the Mailing List!
08:01:59 <sbp> perhaps you'll get a better one in the course of a week or two though?
08:02:23 <thelsdj> this is by far the best i've got so far for the style of the writer i think
08:02:40 <thelsdj> as you can't just have anyone write an erotic steampunk mystery!
08:02:57 <thelsdj> (though might be more humorous to have someone try who isn't used to that genre)
08:03:06 <sbp> indeed
08:04:21 <bjoern_> @nickometer 1
08:04:22 <supybot> bjoern_: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "1" is 21.5%.
08:04:33 <sbp> @nickometer 11111111111
08:04:34 <supybot> sbp: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "11111111111" is 99.5%.
08:04:42 <sbp> @nickometer 31337
08:04:43 <supybot> sbp: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "31337" is 97.3%.
08:04:46 <thelsdj> @nickometer 1234567890
08:04:47 <supybot> thelsdj: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "1234567890" is 90.7%.
08:04:56 <sbp> @nickometer 31337WTF31337
08:04:57 <supybot> sbp: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "31337WTF31337" is 99.7%.
08:04:59 <bjoern_> @nickometer 7
08:05:00 <supybot> bjoern_: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "7" is 14.2%.
08:05:01 <thelsdj> @nickometer asdf
08:05:02 <supybot> thelsdj: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "asdf" is 0.0%.
08:05:11 <thelsdj> @nickometer thelsdj
08:05:12 <supybot> thelsdj: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "thelsdj" is 0.0%.
08:05:13 <sbp> 0MGR0FF13 totally wins
08:05:19 <bjoern_> @nickometer 7of9
08:05:20 <supybot> bjoern_: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "7of9" is 27.6%.
08:05:23 <thelsdj> @nickometer bjoern_
08:05:24 <supybot> thelsdj: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "bjoern_" is 0.0%.
08:05:32 <thelsdj> aw man, the _ doesn't do anything
08:05:47 <bjoern_> BWHAHA PWND
08:06:37 <sbp> @nickometer /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\................................................/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
08:06:38 <supybot> sbp: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\................................................/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\" is 99.996%.
08:07:27 <sbp> @nickometer ||||||||||||||||||||||1111111111111111||||||||||||||||111111111111111111111||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
08:07:28 <supybot> sbp: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "||||||||||||||||||||||1111111111111111||||||||||||||||111111111111111111111||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||" is 99.998%.
08:07:35 <sbp> that's the current winner from the logs
08:07:47 <sbp> 2005-02-23 19:53:51 <supybot> Morbus: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "||||||||||||||||||||||1111111111111111||||||||||||||||111111111111111111111||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||" is 99.998%.
08:08:18 <sbp> @nickometer /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/||||||||||||||||||||||||1111111111111111111........................................||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
08:08:19 <supybot> sbp: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/||||||||||||||||||||||||1111111111111111111........................................||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||" is 99.997%.
08:08:23 <sbp> dang
08:08:30 <bjoern_> beats 2005-02-23.txt:20:00:45 <supybot> jsled: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "this nick is _WAAAAAAY_ past the reasonable length of any nick anywhere EVAR, and has spaces ." is 99.990%.
08:08:47 <sbp> @nickometer /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||1111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111.....................................................................|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
08:08:48 <supybot> sbp: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||1111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111.....................................................................|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||" is 99.998%.
08:09:39 <perigrin> LAME!
08:10:15 <perigrin> @nickometer ∑
08:10:16 <supybot> perigrin: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "∑" is 97.0%.
08:10:49 <perigrin> @nickometer ∑∑∑077≥å≥√√√
08:10:50 <supybot> perigrin: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "∑∑∑077≥å≥√√√" is 99.996%.
08:10:56 <perigrin> getting closer
08:11:07 <perigrin> @nickometer ∑∑∑077≥å≥√√√øˆå√ˆøå˚√´˚¬å∑π∑πåπ√πå∑´k
08:11:07 <supybot> perigrin: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "∑∑∑077≥å≥√√√øˆå√ˆøå˚√´˚¬å∑π∑πåπ√πå∑´k" is 99.997%.
08:11:20 <perigrin> @nickometer ∑∑∑077≥å≥√√√øˆå√ˆøå˚√´˚¬å∑π∑πåπ√πå∑´kÅÒÅÅ∏Å∏◊Å◊ˆEÅ◊EÅ◊◊ÅÒ
08:11:21 <supybot> perigrin: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "∑∑∑077≥å≥√√√øˆå√ˆøå˚√´˚¬å∑π∑πåπ√πå∑´kÅÒÅÅ∏Å∏◊Å◊ˆEÅ◊EÅ◊◊ÅÒ" is 99.998%.
08:11:25 <sbp> @nickometer ˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚ûûûûûûûûûûûûûûûûûûûûûû||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
08:11:25 <perigrin> TIE!
08:11:26 <supybot> sbp: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚˚ûûûûûûûûûûûûûûûûûûûûûû||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||" is 99.996%.
08:11:29 <sbp> dangit
08:11:49 <perigrin> @nickometer ∑∑∑077≥å≥√√√øˆå√ˆøå˚√´˚¬å∑π∑πåπ√πå∑´kÅÒÅÅ∏Å∏◊Å◊ˆEÅ◊EÅ◊◊ÅÒ–––ÅÅ—Å—Å—–Å————å––√åˆåø√åø√ˆ√√||||///
08:11:50 <supybot> perigrin: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "∑∑∑077≥å≥√√√øˆå√ˆøå˚√´˚¬å∑π∑πåπ√πå∑´kÅÒÅÅ∏Å∏◊Å◊ˆEÅ◊EÅ◊◊ÅÒ–––ÅÅ—Å—Å—–Å————å––√åˆåø√åø√ˆ√√||||///" is 99.998%.
08:12:05 <perigrin> I can see this will be hard.
08:12:08 <sbp> yes
08:12:22 <perigrin> @nickometer ∑∑∑077≥å≥√√√øˆå√ˆøå˚√´˚¬å∑π∑πåπ√πå∑´kÅÒÅÅ∏Å∏◊Å◊ˆEÅ◊EÅ◊◊ÅÒ.aol.com
08:12:22 <supybot> perigrin: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "∑∑∑077≥å≥√√√øˆå√ˆøå˚√´˚¬å∑π∑πåπ√πå∑´kÅÒÅÅ∏Å∏◊Å◊ˆEÅ◊EÅ◊◊ÅÒ.aol.com" is 99.998%.
08:12:27 <sbp> hehe
08:12:45 <perigrin> @nickometer ∑∑∑077≥å≥√√√øˆå√ˆøå˚√´˚¬å∑π∑πåπ√πå∑´kÅÒÅÅ∏Å∏◊Å◊ˆEÅ◊EÅ◊◊ÅÒ_4evah
08:12:46 <supybot> perigrin: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "∑∑∑077≥å≥√√√øˆå√ˆøå˚√´˚¬å∑π∑πåπ√πå∑´kÅÒÅÅ∏Å∏◊Å◊ˆEÅ◊EÅ◊◊ÅÒ_4evah" is 99.998%.
08:13:05 <perigrin> @nickometer ∑∑∑077≥å≥√√√øˆå√ˆøå˚√´˚¬å∑π∑πåπ√πå∑´kÅÒÅÅ∏Å∏◊Å◊ˆEÅ◊EÅ◊◊ÅÒ_˚∆∆˚˚j∆˙¬
08:13:06 <supybot> perigrin: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "∑∑∑077≥å≥√√√øˆå√ˆøå˚√´˚¬å∑π∑πåπ√πå∑´kÅÒÅÅ∏Å∏◊Å◊ˆEÅ◊EÅ◊◊ÅÒ_˚∆∆˚˚j∆˙¬" is 99.998%.
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08:13:29 <perigrin> @nickometer ∑∑∑077≥å≥√√√øˆå√ˆøå˚√´˚¬å∑π∑πåπ√πå∑´kÅÒÅÅ∏Å∏◊Å◊ˆEÅ◊EÅ◊◊ÅÒ_˚∆∆˚˚j∆˙¬ÒňňÅϨ¨ˆøøøøøIOAIOó´ø
08:13:29 <supybot> perigrin: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "∑∑∑077≥å≥√√√øˆå√ˆøå˚√´˚¬å∑π∑πåπ√πå∑´kÅÒÅÅ∏Å∏◊Å◊ˆEÅ◊EÅ◊◊ÅÒ_˚∆∆˚˚j∆˙¬ÒňňÅϨ¨ˆøøøøøIOAIOó´ø" is 99.998%.
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08:13:58 <perigrin> @nickometer ∑∑∑077≥å≥√√√øˆå√ˆøå˚√´˚¬å∑π∑πåπ√πå∑´kÅÒÅÅ∏Å∏◊Å◊ˆEÅ◊EÅ◊◊ÅÒ_˚∆∆˚˚j∆˙¬ÒňňÅϨ¨ˆøøøøøIOAIOó´øৎ
08:13:59 <supybot> perigrin: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "∑∑∑077≥å≥√√√øˆå√ˆøå˚√´˚¬å∑π∑πåπ√πå∑´kÅÒÅÅ∏Å∏◊Å◊ˆEÅ◊EÅ◊◊ÅÒ_˚∆∆˚˚j∆˙¬ÒňňÅϨ¨ˆøøøøøIOAIOó´øৎ" is 99.998%.
08:14:17 <perigrin> @nickometer ∑∑∑077≥å≥√√√øˆå√ˆøå˚√´˚¬å∑π∑πåπ√πå∑´kÅÒÅÅ∏Å∏◊Å◊ˆEÅ◊EÅ◊◊ÅÒ_˚∆∆˚˚j∆˙ৎ
08:14:18 <supybot> perigrin: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "∑∑∑077≥å≥√√√øˆå√ˆøå˚√´˚¬å∑π∑πåπ√πå∑´kÅÒÅÅ∏Å∏◊Å◊ˆEÅ◊EÅ◊◊ÅÒ_˚∆∆˚˚j∆˙ৎ" is 99.998%.
08:15:08 <perigrin> but it goes to show ... UNICODE is lame
08:15:16 <perigrin> @nickometer ∑∑∑077≥å≥√√√øˆå√ˆøå˚√´˚¬å∑π∑πåπ√πå∑´kÅÒÅÅ∏Å∏◊Å◊ˆEÅ◊EÅ◊◊ÅÒ_˚∆∆˚˚j∆˙ৎ2390912395095102931902
08:15:17 <supybot> perigrin: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "∑∑∑077≥å≥√√√øˆå√ˆøå˚√´˚¬å∑π∑πåπ√πå∑´kÅÒÅÅ∏Å∏◊Å◊ˆEÅ◊EÅ◊◊ÅÒ_˚∆∆˚˚j∆˙ৎ2390912395095102931902" is 99.998%.
08:17:07 <perigrin> ∑„„∑∑„∑„Ωåßçå߬∂˚ƒ˚¬å¬¬˚ƒ˚∆æ…ææ…¬å˚ß˚∂øƒø√åß∆® hahah apparently ææ and øƒø are typos according to xchat
08:17:17 <sbp> @nickometer pronwarez
08:17:18 <supybot> sbp: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "pronwarez" is 99.7%.
08:17:35 <sbp> perigrin: typos for what?
08:17:46 <perigrin> sbp, "No Guess"
08:17:51 <sbp> hehe
08:18:28 <perigrin> prøn„ærz
08:18:34 <perigrin> @nickometer prøn„ærz
08:18:35 <supybot> perigrin: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "prøn„ærz" is 99.96%.
08:18:51 <perigrin> @nickometer prøn„ærz23-ignatz
08:18:51 <supybot> perigrin: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "prøn„ærz23-ignatz" is 99.97%.
08:19:06 <perigrin> @nickometer prøn„ærz-ignatz1523
08:19:07 <supybot> perigrin: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "prøn„ærz-ignatz1523" is 99.97%.
08:19:34 <sbp> @nickometer AbCdEfGhIjK|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||pron|||||||||||||||||||||warez|||||||||||||||||||ZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
08:19:35 <supybot> sbp: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "AbCdEfGhIjK|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||pron|||||||||||||||||||||warez|||||||||||||||||||ZZZZZZZZZZZZZ" is 99.998%.
08:19:49 <perigrin> @nickometer ||||||prøn„ærz-|||||
08:19:50 <supybot> perigrin: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "||||||prøn„ærz-|||||" is 99.995%.
08:20:02 <sbp> @nickometer AbCdEfGhIjK|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||pron|||||||||||||||||||||warez0bAb9bAb8|||||||||||||||||||ZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
08:20:02 <supybot> sbp: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "AbCdEfGhIjK|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||pron|||||||||||||||||||||warez0bAb9bAb8|||||||||||||||||||ZZZZZZZZZZZZZ" is 99.998%.
08:20:08 <perigrin> @nickometer ||||||prøn„ærz-|||||cock||||||
08:20:09 <supybot> perigrin: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "||||||prøn„ærz-|||||cock||||||" is 99.995%.
08:20:15 <perigrin> drat
08:20:31 <perigrin> @nickometer ||||||prøn„ærz-|||||l33t|||
08:20:32 <supybot> perigrin: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "||||||prøn„ærz-|||||l33t|||" is 99.995%.
08:20:54 <perigrin> @nickometer ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~||||||prøn„ærz-|||||l33t|||~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
08:20:55 <supybot> perigrin: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~||||||prøn„ærz-|||||l33t|||~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~" is 99.998%.
08:21:10 <perigrin> @nickometer ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~||||||prøn„ærz-|||||l33t|||~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~-ignatz
08:21:11 <supybot> perigrin: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~||||||prøn„ærz-|||||l33t|||~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~-ignatz" is 99.998%.
08:21:20 <perigrin> @nickometer ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~||||||prøn„ærz-|||||l33t|||~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~404
08:21:22 <supybot> perigrin: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~||||||prøn„ærz-|||||l33t|||~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~404" is 99.998%.
08:21:38 <sbp> @nickometer !!pRoN@@wArEz££pron$$warez%%pRoN^^wArEz&&pRoN**wAreZ
08:21:39 <supybot> sbp: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "!!pRoN@@wArEz££pron$$warez%%pRoN^^wArEz&&pRoN**wAreZ" is 99.994%.
08:21:53 <sbp> @nickometer !!pRoN@@wArEz££pron$$warez%%pRoN^^wArEz&&pRoN**wAreZ!!pRoN@@wArEz££pron$$warez%%pRoN^^wArEz&&pRoN**wAreZ!!pRoN@@wArEz££pron$$warez%%pRoN^^wArEz&&pRoN**wAreZ
08:21:54 <supybot> sbp: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "!!pRoN@@wArEz££pron$$warez%%pRoN^^wArEz&&pRoN**wAreZ!!pRoN@@wArEz££pron$$warez%%pRoN^^wArEz&&pRoN**wAreZ!!pRoN@@wArEz££pron$$warez%%pRoN^^wArEz&&pRoN**wAreZ" is 99.996%.
08:21:56 <perigrin> @nickometer ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~||||||prøn„ærz-|||||£33†|||~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
08:21:57 <supybot> perigrin: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~||||||prøn„ærz-|||||£33†|||~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~" is 99.998%.
08:22:20 <perigrin> see I'd rate your as way more lame than mine
08:22:24 <perigrin> mine is still legible
08:22:31 <sbp> yeah
08:22:57 <perigrin> okay child is grumping time to make bottle
08:23:01 <sbp> hehe
08:23:03 <sbp> enjoy
08:23:12 <perigrin> @nickometer GeorgeWBush
08:23:12 <supybot> perigrin: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "GeorgeWBush" is 17.6%.
08:23:27 <perigrin> heh
08:23:34 <perigrin> no approval *anywhere*
08:23:42 <sbp> @nickometer !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!w4r32@@@@@@@@@@@wArEz
08:23:43 <supybot> sbp: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!w4r32@@@@@@@@@@@wArEz" is 99.996%.
08:23:44 <sbp> ehheh
08:24:03 <sbp> @nickometer AbCdEfGhIjK|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||pron|||||||||||||||||||||warez0bAb9bAb8|||||||||||||||||||!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!w4r32@@@@@@@@@@@wArEz
08:24:04 <supybot> sbp: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "AbCdEfGhIjK|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||pron|||||||||||||||||||||warez0bAb9bAb8|||||||||||||||||||!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!w4r32@@@@@@@@@@@wArEz" is 99.998%.
08:24:17 <sbp> @nickometer AbCdEfGhIjK|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||pron|||||||||||||||||||||warez0bAb9bAb8|||||||||||||||||||!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!w4r32@@@@@@@@@@@wArEzAbCdEfGhIjK|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||pron|||||||||||||||||||||warez0bAb9bAb8|||||||||||||||||||!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!w4r32@@@@@@@@@@@wArEz
08:24:18 <supybot> sbp: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "AbCdEfGhIjK|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||pron|||||||||||||||||||||warez0bAb9bAb8|||||||||||||||||||!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!w4r32@@@@@@@@@@@wArEzAbCdEfGhIjK|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||pron|||||||||||||||||||||warez0bAb9bAb8|||||||||||||||||||!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!w4r32@@@@@@@@@@@wArEz" is 99.9993%.
08:24:22 <sbp> whoo!
08:24:34 <sbp> 99.9993% is the new bar for excellence!
08:25:04 * sbp has been reading the source code just to arrive there
08:26:42 <sbp> @nickometer AbCdEfGhIjK|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||pron|||||||||||||||||||||warez0bAb9bAb8|||||||||||||||||||!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!w4r32@@@@@@@@@@@wArEzAbCdEfGhIjK|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||pron|||||||||||||||||||||warez0bAb9bAb8|||||||||||||||||||!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!w4r32@@@@@@@@@@@wArEzAbCdEfGhIjK|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||pron|||||||||||||||||||||warez0bAb9bAb8|||||||||||||||||||!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!w4r32@
08:26:42 <sbp> @@@@@@@@@@wArEz
08:26:44 <supybot> sbp: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "AbCdEfGhIjK|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||pron|||||||||||||||||||||warez0bAb9bAb8|||||||||||||||||||!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!w4r32@@@@@@@@@@@wArEzAbCdEfGhIjK|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||pron|||||||||||||||||||||warez0bAb9bAb8|||||||||||||||||||!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!w4r32@@@@@@@@@@@wArEzAbCdEfGhIjK|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||p (1 more message)
08:26:45 <sbp> aw
08:26:45 <supybot> sbp: Error: "@@@@@@@@@wArEz" is not a valid command.
08:26:49 <sbp> @more
08:26:50 <supybot> sbp: ron|||||||||||||||||||||warez0bAb9bAb8|||||||||||||||||||!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!w4r32@" is 99.9994%.
08:26:55 <sbp> hehe. win
08:27:09 <sbp> @nickometer AbCdEfGhIjK|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||pron|||||||||||||||||||||warez0bAb9bAb8|||||||||||||||||||!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!w4r32@@@@@@@@@@@wArEzAbCdEfGhIjK|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||pron|||||||||||||||||||||warez0bAb9bAb8|||||||||||||||||||!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!w4r32@@@@@@@@@@@wArEzAbCdEfGhIjK|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||pron|||||||||||||||||||||warez0bAb9bAb8|||||||||||||||||||!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!w4r3z
08:27:11 <supybot> sbp: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "AbCdEfGhIjK|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||pron|||||||||||||||||||||warez0bAb9bAb8|||||||||||||||||||!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!w4r32@@@@@@@@@@@wArEzAbCdEfGhIjK|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||pron|||||||||||||||||||||warez0bAb9bAb8|||||||||||||||||||!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!w4r32@@@@@@@@@@@wArEzAbCdEfGhIjK|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||p (1 more message)
08:27:13 <sbp> @more
08:27:15 <supybot> sbp: ron|||||||||||||||||||||warez0bAb9bAb8|||||||||||||||||||!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!w4r3z" is 99.9994%.
08:27:18 <sbp> aw
08:27:48 <sbp> @nickometer w4r32w4r32w4r32w4r32w4r32w4r32w4r32w4r32w4r32w4r32w4r32w4r32w4r32w4r32w4r32w4r32w4r32w4r32w4r32w4r32w4r32w4r32w4r32w4r32w4r32w4r32w4r32w4r32w4r32w4r32w4r32w4r32w4r32w4r32w4r32w4r32w4r32w4r32w4r32w4r32w4r32w4r32w4r3z
08:27:49 <supybot> sbp: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "w4r32w4r32w4r32w4r32w4r32w4r32w4r32w4r32w4r32w4r32w4r32w4r32w4r32w4r32w4r32w4r32w4r32w4r32w4r32w4r32w4r32w4r32w4r32w4r32w4r32w4r32w4r32w4r32w4r32w4r32w4r32w4r32w4r32w4r32w4r32w4r32w4r32w4r32w4r32w4r32w4r32w4r32w4r3z" is 99.992%.
08:27:53 <sbp> pfft
08:28:23 <sbp> @nickometer .................................................................................................................................................................................................................w4r3z
08:28:24 <supybot> sbp: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for ".................................................................................................................................................................................................................w4r3z" is 99.996%.
08:29:27 <sbp> @nickometer ][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(
08:29:27 <sbp> ][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(w4r3z
08:29:28 <supybot> sbp: Error: Spurious "]". You may want to quote your arguments with double quotes in order to prevent extra brackets from being evaluated as nested commands.
08:29:35 <sbp> @nickometer ][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(
08:29:35 <sbp> ][)(][)(w4r3z
08:29:37 <supybot> sbp: Error: Spurious "]". You may want to quote your arguments with double quotes in order to prevent extra brackets from being evaluated as nested commands.
08:29:38 <sbp> bugger
08:29:58 <sbp> @nickometer "][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(]w4r3z"
08:29:58 <supybot> sbp: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][) (1 more message)
08:30:01 <sbp> @more
08:30:02 <supybot> sbp: (][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(][)(]w4r3z" is 99.998%.
08:30:05 <sbp> tsk
08:31:00 <sbp> @nickometer AbCdEfGhIjK|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||pron|||||||||||||||||||||warez0bAb9bAb8|||||||||||||||||||!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!w4r32@@@@@@@@@@@wArEzAbCdEfGhIjK|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||pron|||||||||||||||||||||warez0bAb9bAb8|||||||||||||||||||!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!w4r32@@@@@@@@@@@wArEzAbCdEfGhIjK{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{pron[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[warez0bAb9bAb8((((((((((((((((!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!w4r3z
08:31:01 <supybot> sbp: Error: Missing "]". You may want to quote your arguments with double quotes in order to prevent extra brackets from being evaluated as nested commands.
08:31:07 <sbp> @nickometer "AbCdEfGhIjK|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||pron|||||||||||||||||||||warez0bAb9bAb8|||||||||||||||||||!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!w4r32@@@@@@@@@@@wArEzAbCdEfGhIjK|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||pron|||||||||||||||||||||warez0bAb9bAb8|||||||||||||||||||!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!w4r32@@@@@@@@@@@wArEzAbCdEfGhIjK{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{pron[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[warez0bAb9bAb8((((((((((((((((!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!w4r3z"
08:31:09 <supybot> sbp: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "AbCdEfGhIjK|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||pron|||||||||||||||||||||warez0bAb9bAb8|||||||||||||||||||!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!w4r32@@@@@@@@@@@wArEzAbCdEfGhIjK|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||pron|||||||||||||||||||||warez0bAb9bAb8|||||||||||||||||||!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!w4r32@@@@@@@@@@@wArEzAbCdEfGhIjK{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{pron[[[[[[[ (1 more message)
08:31:11 <sbp> @more
08:31:12 <supybot> sbp: [[[[[[[[[[[[[[warez0bAb9bAb8((((((((((((((((!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!w4r3z" is 99.9995%.
08:31:15 <sbp> whoo!
08:32:56 <sbp> @nickometer "AbCdEfGhIjK(((((({({({({({({({({({({({({({({({({({({({({({({({({({({({({({(pron{{[{{[{{{[{{{[{{{[[{{{{{{{{[{[warez0bAb9bAb8(((((((((((((((((((!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!w4r32@@@@@@@@@@@wArEzAbCdEfGhIjK((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((pron{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{warez0bAb9bAb8{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{(((((((((((((((((((((((w4r32@@@@@@@@@@@wAr3zAbCdEfGhIjK{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{pR0n[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[wArEz0bAb9bAb8(((((((((((((((({{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{w4r3z"
08:32:57 <supybot> sbp: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "AbCdEfGhIjK(((((({({({({({({({({({({({({({({({({({({({({({({({({({({({({({(pron{{[{{[{{{[{{{[{{{[[{{{{{{{{[{[warez0bAb9bAb8(((((((((((((((((((!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!w4r32@@@@@@@@@@@wArEzAbCdEfGhIjK((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((pron{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{warez0bAb9bAb8{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{(((((((((((((((((((((((w4r32@@@@@@@@@@@wAr3zAbCdEfGhIjK{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{pR0n[ (1 more message)
08:32:59 <sbp> @more
08:33:00 <supybot> sbp: [[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[wArEz0bAb9bAb8(((((((((((((((({{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{w4r3z" is 99.9995%.
08:33:04 <sbp> aw
08:36:20 <sbp> hmm
08:36:46 <sbp> @nickometer {{5{{5{{5{{5{{5{{5{{5{{5{{5{{5{{5{{z
08:36:46 <supybot> sbp: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "{{5{{5{{5{{5{{5{{5{{5{{5{{5{{5{{5{{z" is 99.995%.
08:37:48 <sbp> the trick is to combine as many of the faults as possible succintly, overlappingly
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08:44:05 <thelsdj> thecakeisalie.com is taken :(
08:49:45 <sbp> Notation3 - It's the Third Notation™!
08:49:57 * sbp tries to make a standalone N3 parser from notation3.py
08:50:03 <sbp> step one! wget notation3.py
08:50:21 <sbp> step two! put placeholders in for external dependencies...
08:50:42 <sbp> hmm
08:50:43 <sbp> $ python notation3.py
08:50:43 <sbp> Traceback (most recent call last):
08:50:43 <sbp> File "notation3.py", line 38, in <module>
08:50:43 <sbp> from sax2rdf import XMLtoDOM # Incestuous.. would be nice to separate N3 and XML
08:50:43 <sbp> ImportError: No module named sax2rdf
08:51:16 <bjoern_> step one! `rm notation3.py ; touch notation3.py ; enod`
08:51:22 <sbp> heh
08:51:46 <sbp> well you think you'd be able to just write a parser that conforms to the N3 spec, right?
08:51:52 <sbp> but since notation3.py *is* the spec...
08:52:15 * sbp tries this:
08:52:16 <sbp> # Incestuous.. would be nice to separate N3 and XML
08:52:16 <sbp> # from sax2rdf import XMLtoDOM
08:52:18 <sbp> def XMLtoDOM(*args, **kargs):
08:52:18 <sbp> print >> sys.stderr, args, kargs
08:52:21 <bjoern_> YOU KNOW IVE COMPLAINED ABOUT THAT
08:52:32 <bjoern_> so dont look at me...
08:53:00 <sbp> hehe
08:53:20 <sbp> this is kinda funny:
08:53:21 <sbp> from uripath import refTo, join
08:53:21 <sbp> import uripath
08:53:44 <sbp> uripath is a neat module, in fact. I think I'll just include it wholesale
08:54:42 * sbp trims the tests and docs out
08:56:42 <sbp> alright, and munged all the uripath.function mentions to just function
08:57:12 <sbp> hmm
08:57:12 <sbp> import RDFSink
08:57:12 <sbp> from RDFSink import CONTEXT, PRED, SUBJ, OBJ, PARTS, ALL4
08:57:12 <sbp> from RDFSink import LITERAL, XMLLITERAL, LITERAL_DT, LITERAL_LANG, ANONYMOUS, \
08:57:12 <sbp> SYMBOL
08:57:14 <sbp> from RDFSink import Logic_NS
08:57:21 <sbp> I think this is the thing I need to replace to capture the output
08:57:51 <sbp> [[[
08:57:51 <sbp> This is a simple API for a push-stream of RDF data. It doesn't use
08:57:51 <sbp> a particular classof obejcts, but just uses python pairs.
08:57:51 <sbp> It is kinda crude but it does allow for example data to be squirted efficiently
08:57:51 <sbp> between modules which use different python classes for RDF.
08:57:52 <sbp> ]]]
09:00:01 <sbp> okay, those constants were easy enough. let's see what else it uses...
09:00:28 <sbp> lots more constants later on... easy enough
09:00:29 <sbp> and:
09:00:30 <sbp> class ToN3(RDFSink.RDFSink):
09:00:56 <sbp> chuckle:
09:00:57 <sbp> [[[
09:00:58 <sbp> class RDFSink:
09:00:58 <sbp> """interface to connect modules in RDF processing.
09:00:58 <sbp> OBSOLETE
09:01:04 <sbp> ]]] - RDFSink.py
09:01:14 <sbp> even though it's being used twice in notation3.py
09:09:05 <sbp> okay, resolved RDFSink in
09:09:06 <sbp> and diag
09:10:08 <sbp> hmm: from xmlC14n import Canonicalize
09:10:37 <sbp> Authors:
09:10:37 <sbp> "Joseph M. Reagle Jr." <reagle@w3.org>
09:10:37 <sbp> "Rich Salz" <rsalz@zolera.com>
09:10:58 *** cre8radix|off is now known as cre8radix
09:11:18 <sbp> uses only python stdlib stuff, so I can bring that in okay
09:11:24 <bjoern_> .gc "YOU are obsolete"
09:11:27 <phenny> "YOU are obsolete": 15,500
09:11:40 <sbp> In Soviet Russia, obsolete are YOU
09:11:47 <bjoern_> .gc "YOU are deprecated"
09:11:50 <phenny> "YOU are deprecated": 3
09:12:22 <bjoern_> so much for people being phased out.
09:12:33 <sbp> yeah
09:13:24 * bjoern_ tries to get a lock on a phaser taser joke but times out
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09:13:53 <sbp> why.py is... wacky
09:13:58 <sbp> I think I can include that okay too
09:14:12 <bjoern_> its not called whypy for no reason
09:14:14 <sbp> oh wait, irritating stuff:
09:14:14 <sbp> from myStore import Namespace
09:14:14 <sbp> from term import Literal, CompoundTerm, AnonymousNode, List
09:14:17 <sbp> heh
09:14:53 <bjoern_> you considered writing a notation3 parser *on top* of cwm?
09:15:00 <sbp> # from why import BecauseOfData, becauseSubexpression
09:15:00 <sbp> def BecauseOfData(*args, **kargs):
09:15:00 <sbp> print args, kargs
09:15:00 <sbp> def becauseSubexpression(*args, **kargs):
09:15:00 <sbp> print args, kargs
09:15:17 <sbp> bjoern_: on *top* of it? then it wouldn't be standalone, would it?
09:15:44 <bjoern_> its called static linking...
09:15:54 <bjoern_> besides, you are well on your way doing just that...
09:16:11 <sbp> nah. I think what happens is that you have:
09:16:24 <sbp> [HEAP OF CRAP] <-tenuous link-> [USEFUL STUFF]
09:16:34 <sbp> in other words:
09:16:42 <sbp> [HEAP OF CRAP] <-imports even though it doesn't need [USEFUL STUFF]
09:17:41 <sbp> okay, all dependencies hopefully resolved
09:17:48 <sbp> now I need to figure out how to work the mofo
09:18:09 <sbp> then I need a suitable test file...
09:18:12 * sbp makes one
09:19:45 <sbp> [[[
09:19:46 <sbp> @prefix : <http://example.org/ns/test#> .
09:19:46 <sbp> @prefix foaf: <http://xmlns.com/foaf/0.1/> .
09:19:46 <sbp> [ :p :q, _:r, "r" ] .
09:19:46 <sbp> ("a" "b" "c") a :List .
09:19:46 <sbp> { ?p ?q ?r } a :Formula .
09:19:48 <supybot> sbp: Error: "prefix" is not a valid command.
09:19:48 <sbp> ]]]
09:19:49 <supybot> sbp: Error: "prefix" is not a valid command.
09:19:50 <sbp> that'll do
09:20:30 <bjoern_> yeah, it produces failures already...
09:20:43 <sbp> supybot is the classic failure
09:20:44 <supybot> sbp: Error: "is" is not a valid command.
09:20:54 <sbp> if there were a hello world of failures, it would be supybot
09:20:55 <supybot> sbp: Error: "if" is not a valid command.
09:21:25 <sbp> heh
09:21:29 <bjoern_> supybot action hates commercial at
09:21:30 * supybot hates commercial at
09:21:33 <sbp> this is like a really, really old car from the '20s
09:21:43 <bjoern_> should use commercial minues as prefix instead
09:22:02 <sbp> where it has five levers and pulleys and buttons and things that you have to invoke in some order just to get it started, and then it kind chugs along perhaps
09:22:10 <sbp> yeah, that'd be good
09:22:19 <bjoern_> there weren't so many really, really old cars in the '20s
09:28:21 <sbp> okay, here we go...
09:28:23 <sbp> File "./notation3.py", line 1420, in blankNode
09:28:24 <sbp> return self._context.newBlankNode(uri, why=self._reason2)
09:28:26 <sbp> AttributeError: 'tuple' object has no attribute 'newBlankNode'
09:28:33 <sbp> yeah, which is why I said from rather than in
09:28:45 <sbp> ...FROM A ROBOT
09:29:36 <bjoern_> FROM!?!
09:30:02 <sbp> yep!
09:30:08 <sbp> FROM is the new IN
09:30:18 <sbp> it's the new from thing, one might saw. haw haw
09:30:27 <sbp> er, might say. hay hay
09:30:56 <sbp> hmm
09:30:57 <sbp> self._formula = store.newFormula()
09:31:03 <sbp> and _context = _formula
09:31:16 <sbp> def newFormula(self, uri=None):
09:31:16 <sbp> if uri==None: return FORMULA, self.genId()
09:31:16 <sbp> else: return (FORMULA, uri)
09:31:27 <sbp> so of course it doesn't have a newBlankNode thinger. stupid thing
09:32:43 <bjoern_> .gc "the longest unzipping of my life"
09:32:46 <phenny> "the longest unzipping of my life": 718
09:34:20 <sbp> ah!
09:34:27 <sbp> I'll bet RDFSink really is obsolete
09:35:38 <bjoern_> good thing it's now jjcware, so you have comments to work with...
09:41:04 <sbp> what's jjcware?
09:42:55 <sbp> note: SinkParser really wants a baseURI
09:44:19 <sbp> whoo! okay, it parses the test file
09:44:28 <sbp> not into N-Triples yet, but... it's a start
09:45:21 <bjoern_> just a few moments into cwm code and he already doesn't jjc anymore.
09:45:48 <sbp> jjc (v.)?
09:47:10 <bjoern_> .swhack jjc
09:47:16 <phenny> bjoern_: http://swhack.com/logs/2007-09-26#T18-28-15
09:47:27 <sbp> see. you're crazy
09:47:30 <bjoern_> jjccoowwaann!?!
09:47:54 <sbp> see. swhask is crazy
09:48:02 <bjoern_> NO, U !
09:48:09 <perigrin> bbjjooeerrnnn___!
09:48:23 <sbp> 'k : : : ( ( (
09:49:37 <sbp> man, this is thoroughly bonkers
09:49:49 <sbp> but sense is just about starting to peep out of the murk
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09:52:09 <Monty> hi jetscreamer
09:57:51 <bjoern_> .calc 0x0400 in decimal
09:57:53 <phenny> 0x0400 = 1 024
10:18:33 <bjoern_> "Obviously [citation needed], ..." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SecuROM
10:21:10 <sbp> okay, this was a stupid idea
10:21:26 <sbp> [['a:None:None', 'b:None:None', 'c:None:None'], <__main__.Formula object at 0x723d50>] (0, 'http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#type') http://example.org/#List {_:Formula_7486800}
10:21:26 <bjoern_> I should have told you!
10:21:31 <sbp> I mean, what the fuck is going on there?
10:21:36 <sbp> yeah, you should have
10:22:07 <bjoern_> sry : : : [ [ [
10:22:13 <sbp> 'k
10:22:40 <sbp> this one's good too:
10:22:41 <sbp> _:u_1_L3C1 http://example.org/#p _:_:Formula_7486800 {_:Formula_7486800}
10:23:00 <bjoern_> @nickometer _:u_1_L3C1 http://example.org/#p _:_:Formula_7486800 {_:Formula_7486800}
10:23:01 <supybot> bjoern_: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "_:u_1_L3C1 http://example.org/#p _:_:Formula_7486800 {_:Formula_7486800}" is 98.8%.
10:23:07 <sbp> hehe
10:23:16 <bjoern_> @nickometer _:u_1_L3C1
10:23:17 <supybot> bjoern_: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "_:u_1_L3C1" is 99.8%.
10:25:33 <chris2> @nickometer chris2
10:25:34 <supybot> chris2: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "chris2" is 14.2%.
10:25:42 <chris2> @nickometer chris
10:25:43 <supybot> chris2: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "chris" is 0.0%.
10:28:28 <perigrin> @nickometer bbjjooeerrnnn___
10:28:29 <supybot> perigrin: The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "bbjjooeerrnnn___" is 25.6%.
10:30:16 <Arnia> .title http://youtube.com/watch?v=JSH330_G1Lg
10:30:16 <bjoern_> .mangle The "lame nick-o-meter" reading for "chris" is 0.0%
10:30:18 <phenny> Arnia: YouTube - Erik Sumo Band - My Rocky Mountain
10:30:27 <bjoern_> so you are still on youtube...
10:30:28 <phenny> bjoern_: "the measurable quantity "with chr" of 0.0% meat of the occasion at the physically unable person of measurement "the notch of the elementary operation made of them dangerous is""
10:30:56 <bjoern_> .gc "paid customers"
10:30:59 <phenny> "paid customers": 106,000
10:34:09 <bjoern_> .gc "unpaid customers"
10:34:12 <phenny> "unpaid customers": 825
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10:48:01 <perigrin> .mangle paid customers
10:48:12 <phenny> perigrin: "That paid the fact, which you respect with the customer"
10:48:23 <bjoern_> heh
10:48:32 <perigrin> .mangle unpaid customers
10:48:46 <phenny> perigrin: "The payment, which does not have the customer"
10:49:04 <perigrin> .mangle unpaid bjoern_
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10:49:16 <phenny> perigrin: "Without bjoern the _ payment"
10:49:28 <perigrin> .mangle unpaid Monty
10:49:30 <Monty> phenny: tell sbp
10:49:40 <phenny> perigrin: "The payment, which does not have Monty"
10:49:41 <Monty> sweet, irc though it work?
10:49:44 * perigrin gets ratted on by Monty
10:49:44 <Monty> OBSOLETE
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10:59:06 <Arnia> .title http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWnB0hQWGdI
10:59:08 <phenny> Arnia: YouTube - Jeeves & Wooster - Minnie the Moocher
11:00:39 <xover> .gc "Practical Pleasentries"
11:00:41 <phenny> "Practical Pleasentries": 1
11:00:50 <xover> .gc "Practical Pleasantries"
11:00:53 <phenny> "Practical Pleasantries": 244
11:18:58 <sbp> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inachis_io
11:18:59 <sbp> there was one of those on the path outside, being blown over by the wind
11:19:51 <sbp> it's in a jam jar now, and I'm reading about 'em
11:19:55 <sbp> looks like they hibernate in September generally, though some can be seen in October
11:20:50 <sbp> (sources: http://www.butterfly-conservation.org/species/peacock/index.php and http://www.dgsgardening.btinternet.co.uk/butterflypeacock.htm)
11:20:50 <sbp> and they tend to hibernate in nooks and crannies, in unheated environments
11:20:50 <sbp> they're also territorial
11:20:52 <sbp> so it looks like I need to return it to the area I got it from, and bung it in a nook
11:21:54 <sbp> it may be on the way out though rather than hibernating—I very, very nearly didn't notice it and trod on it. it hasn't made much of an attempt to do anything, except keel over from time to time, so if it's hibernating it chose a bloody odd place to do it
11:22:58 <sbp> it's very pretty. I've taken photos
11:26:31 <bjoern_> pix
11:31:07 <sbp> .gc "The Girl's Like Spaghetti"
11:31:10 <phenny> "The Girl's Like Spaghetti": 16,000
11:31:19 <sbp> Lynne Truss is on the TV now
11:35:35 <sbp> now they're talking about trying to make employers give an hour a week of work time off for employees to manage their own finances
11:35:49 <sbp> one woman's like "omg, I just pay direct debits when they come in and don't think about it"
11:46:48 <bjoern_> Hmm excluding fr and es, there were 59 "terrorist attacks" (like when some left wing group sets a car on fire) in the eu in 2006, according to Europol.
11:47:07 <thelsdj> just beat portal again
11:47:29 <thelsdj> so fun
11:47:30 <sbp> bjoern_: uri plz
11:47:40 <bjoern_> http://www.europol.europa.eu/publications/TESAT/TESAT2007.pdf
11:47:41 <Arnia> Note to Sharon (if you're stalking me): Don't do wikipedia edits with your university username as your editing name; especially ones which advance your own agenda. kthx
11:47:57 <sbp> chuckle
11:47:58 <bjoern_> page #15 it seems
11:48:44 <sbp> 498, it says
11:48:55 <sbp> oh, exc fr and es
11:49:21 <sbp> Left-Wing 55-1 Right-Wing
11:50:47 <bjoern_> Islamist 1 : 497 Other
11:51:06 <sbp> yeah...
11:54:59 <sbp> now I'm getting somewhere:
11:55:01 <sbp> _:u_1_L3C1 <http://example.org/#p> <http://example.org/#q> {_:Formula_7487568}
11:55:01 <sbp> _:u_1_L3C1 <http://example.org/#p> _:F7487568_1 {_:Formula_7487568}
11:55:01 <sbp> _:u_1_L3C1 <http://example.org/#p> "r" {_:Formula_7487568}
11:55:01 <sbp> [[<__main__.Literal object at 0x737cb0>, <__main__.Literal object at 0x737d50>, <__main__.Literal object at 0x737cd0>], <__main__.Formula object at 0x724050>] <http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#type> <http://example.org/#List> {_:Formula_7487568}
11:55:03 <sbp> ?p ?q ?r {_:Formula_7568560}
11:55:05 <sbp> _:Formula_7568560 <http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#type> <http://example.org/#Formula> {_:Formula_7487568}
11:55:25 <sbp> .eval 0x724050
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11:55:27 <phenny> 7487568
11:58:43 <sbp> so... how do I find out what the root formula is? hmm
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12:02:08 <sbp> ah!
12:02:08 <sbp> def endDoc(self):
12:02:09 <sbp> """Signal end of document and stop parsing. returns formula"""
12:02:09 <sbp> self._store.endDoc(self._formula) # don't canonicalize yet
12:02:09 <sbp> return self._formula
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12:02:27 <sbp> that's just outstanding
12:02:37 <sbp> so I can't find out whether to print a statement or not until the whole doc is parsed
12:05:01 * sbp does this in the parse:
12:05:03 <sbp> ...r:
12:05:04 <sbp> def startDoc(self):
12:05:04 <sbp> # was: self._store.startDoc()
12:05:04 <sbp> self._store.startDoc(self._formula)
12:05:27 <sbp> okay, it does have it available at the beginning
12:07:34 <sbp> ...weird, that didn't actually work
12:12:08 <sbp> alright. can anybody spot what's going on here?
12:12:09 <sbp> def startDoc(self, formula):
12:12:09 <sbp> print 'BEFORE:', formula
12:12:10 <sbp> self.root_formula = formula
12:12:10 <sbp> print 'AFTER:', formula, self.root_formula
12:12:18 <sbp> $ ./notation3.py
12:12:19 <sbp> BEFORE: _:Formula_17355056
12:12:19 <sbp> AFTER: _:Formula_17355056 None
12:12:27 <sbp> it's got to be a simple typo or something that I'm missing...
12:24:27 <sbp> oh! I know
12:24:43 <sbp> def __getattr__(self, attr):
12:24:44 <sbp> # print attr
12:24:44 <sbp> pass
12:24:44 <sbp> def __setattr__(self, attr, thing):
12:24:44 <sbp> # print attr, thing
12:24:44 <sbp> pass
12:24:46 <sbp> heh
12:30:28 <kpreid> §
12:30:28 <phenny> kpreid: 07:31Z <sbp> tell kpreid thanks; knew about that page. quite a good selection!
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12:44:01 <sbp> ( "a"
12:44:01 <sbp> "b"
12:44:01 <sbp> "c" )
12:44:01 <sbp> a :List .
12:44:02 <sbp> [ :p "r",
12:44:04 <sbp> :q,
12:44:06 <sbp> [
12:44:09 <sbp> ] ].
12:44:12 <sbp>
12:44:14 <sbp> [ a :Formula ].
12:44:16 <sbp> - success!
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12:47:44 <sbp> heh
12:47:45 <sbp> [[[
12:47:46 <sbp> $ cwm test.n3 --flatten
12:47:48 <sbp> [...]
12:47:53 <sbp> File "/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/python2.5/site-packages/swap/formula.py", line 210, in declareUniversal
12:47:53 <sbp> """)
12:47:53 <sbp> RuntimeError: We have now disallowed the calling of declareUniversal.
12:47:53 <sbp> For future reference, use newUniversal
12:47:53 <sbp> ]]]
12:51:07 * sbp files the bug
12:51:22 <sbp> .title http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-cwm-bugs/2007Oct/0004
12:51:23 <phenny> sbp: CWM Bug: --flatten breakage from Sean B. Palmer on 2007-10-13 (public-cwm-bugs@w3.org from October 2007)
13:02:21 <sbp> .title http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-cwm-bugs/2007Oct/0005
13:02:22 <phenny> sbp: CWM RFE: list:lastElement builtin? from Sean B. Palmer on 2007-10-13 (public-cwm-bugs@w3.org from October 2007)
13:04:40 <sbp> oh man, this is great stuff
13:04:50 <sbp> $ echo '"<p>...</p>" a :Element .' | cwm
13:04:57 <sbp> [...] @prefix : <#> .
13:04:57 <sbp>
13:04:57 <sbp> "<p>...</p>" a :Element .
13:04:59 <sbp> (which is fine)
13:05:07 <sbp> $ echo '"<p>...</p>" a :Element .' | cwm --rdf
13:05:17 <sbp> oh wait, of course
13:05:20 <sbp> --n3 --rdf
13:13:26 <bjoern_> cwm parameter handling is award winningz
13:14:59 <bjoern_> hmm noascenersnoesceners.eu is free...
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13:29:47 <thelsdj> sbp: you still working on the quotes stuff?
13:32:57 <sbp> this is quite a good one:
13:33:00 <sbp> .title http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-cwm-bugs/2007Oct/0006
13:33:03 <phenny> sbp: CWM Bug: parseType="Literal" Consumption and Production from Sean B. Palmer on 2007-10-13 (public-cwm-bugs@w3.org from October 2007)
13:33:08 <sbp> thelsdj: not really at the moment, no
13:33:44 <sbp> the 0005 bug and this 0006 bug are both ones that got raised whilst I was doing the quotes ontology. what I'm doing at the moment, making a standalone N3 parser, is a spin-off
13:33:54 <sbp> I'm kinda doing a survey of some RDF data
13:34:16 <sbp> because looking for prior art in making the quotes ontology was quite difficult
13:34:50 <sbp> see http://esw.w3.org/topic/BuildOrBuyTerms
13:35:59 <bjoern_> I have in my possession a large set of TERMS and I am looking for someone to help me sell them internationally?
13:57:58 <sbp> FOTEBALL
13:58:06 <sbp> England vs. Estonia
14:01:55 <sbp> gooOooOoaal!
14:01:57 <sbp> ahahaha
14:05:42 <sr> yo sbp :-)
14:05:58 <sbp> yo sr!
14:06:06 <sbp> ooh, and Scotland are thrashing Ukraine. good, good
14:06:28 <sr> I can't for today's match!
14:06:32 <sr> *wait
14:06:32 <JibberJim> Bad for the french that one :)
14:07:20 <sr> I which england will kick french's asses
14:07:24 <bjoern_> We'll be qualified if we draw against Ireland later today, I take it.
14:07:47 <bjoern_> They'll be out if we beat them...
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14:11:46 <bjoern_> .t WEST
14:11:48 <phenny> Sat, 13 Oct 2007 15:20:03 WEST
14:14:15 <bjoern_> [[[
14:14:15 <bjoern_> Safety campaigners, including the Royal Society for the Prevention of
14:14:15 <bjoern_> Accidents (RoSPA), have made recommendations that British Summer Time be
14:14:15 <bjoern_> maintained during the winter months, and that a "double summertime" be
14:14:15 <bjoern_> applied to the current British Summer Time period, putting the UK two
14:14:15 <bjoern_> hours ahead of GMT during summer. RoSPA suggest this would reduce the
14:14:17 <bjoern_> number of accidents over this period as a result of the lighter
14:14:19 <bjoern_> evenings, as was demonstrated when the British Standard Time scheme was
14:14:21 <bjoern_> trialled between 1968 and 1971, when Britain remained on GMT+1 all year.
14:14:23 <bjoern_> Analysis of accident data during the experiment indicated that while
14:14:25 <bjoern_> there had been an increase in casualties in the morning, there had been
14:14:27 <bjoern_> a substantially greater decrease in casualties in the evening, with a
14:14:29 <bjoern_> total of around 2,500 fewer people killed and seriously injured during
14:14:30 <sbp> .tock
14:14:31 <bjoern_> the first two winters of the experiment.
14:14:33 <bjoern_> ]]] - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_European_Summer_Time
14:14:38 <phenny> "Sat, 13 Oct 2007 14:22:53 GMT" - tycho.usno.navy.mil
14:15:12 <sbp> yeah, I'm suspicious of that
14:15:18 <sbp> why not just change working times?
14:15:40 <JibberJim> well accident rates in 1969 are completely different to now anyway...
14:17:40 <sbp> indeed
14:22:40 <bjoern_> countdown
14:22:40 <Monty> One large one and five small numbers: 50, 6, 3, 6, 4, 9. Your target is 689. You have thirty seconds, tick, tock, tick, tock...
14:23:02 <bjoern_> calc (6+9)*(50-6)
14:23:03 <Monty> bjoern_: 660
14:23:06 <bjoern_> calc (6+9)*(50-3)
14:23:07 <Monty> bjoern_: 705
14:23:09 <sbp> 2-0
14:23:10 <Monty> Duh dum, duh dum, duh-da-da-dum! Your 30 seconds are up!
14:23:12 <Monty> Oh bugger, I don't think I can solve that one!
14:23:19 <bjoern_> STONE
14:23:19 <Monty> I chose scissors - You win :(
14:24:12 <bjoern_> looking at the stats, I see you'll have a hard time winning this match sbp...
14:24:16 <JibberJim> STONE
14:24:17 <Monty> I chose stone - Draw!
14:24:22 <JibberJim> STONE
14:24:23 <Monty> I chose paper - I win! :o)
14:24:33 <JibberJim> Monty learns!
14:24:35 <Monty> including body language
14:24:47 <sbp> 3-0! OG
14:24:48 <JibberJim> 3-0
14:24:56 <bjoern_> 3:0
14:25:02 <sbp> that is, Own Goal
14:25:03 <JibberJim> The poor keeper - who's lived here for 13 years
14:25:10 <sbp> yeah. hehe
14:25:23 <JibberJim> was really sick - probably isn't really well enough to play...
14:25:52 <sbp> was hard though. I mean, it would've been called a good goal
14:25:58 <sbp> if it were an English striker
14:26:13 <JibberJim> oh sure
14:26:23 <JibberJim> it's just a bit of a pisser for the guy
14:28:59 <sbp> aye
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14:32:53 <sr> grumble, erdf sucks. the example on their homepage desn't even generate triples
14:34:57 <bjoern_> hmm a loltheist crossover http://icanhascheezburger.com/2007/10/12/%68%61%6C%6C%65%6C%75%6A%61%68-%70%72%61%69%73%65-%74%68%65-%6C%61%77%64/
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14:39:02 <sbp> HT
14:39:19 <sbp> crossover: heheh
14:39:48 <sbp> sr: the one here? http://research.talis.com/2005/erdf/wiki/Main/RdfInHtml
14:40:06 <sr> sbp, yep
14:42:16 <bjoern_> http://icanhascheezburger.com/2007/09/27/%77%68%79-%69-%68%61%7A-%74%6F-%68%6F%6C%64-%74%61%72%67%65%74/
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14:45:35 <bjoern_> Say it ain't so! : : : ( ( ( "New Evidence That Blackwater Guards Took No Fire" - http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/13/world/middleeast/13blackwater.html?ref=middleeast
14:46:04 <sr> sbp, I'll continue to use that good-old cwm with --strings & --think incantation instead :-)
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14:46:29 <bjoern_> Speak of --think it's therethinker!
14:46:43 <therethinker> Whoo! Party!
14:46:52 <bjoern_> asl?
14:47:11 <sr> names
14:47:16 <sr> ooops
14:47:21 <bjoern_> pix plz
14:47:30 <sr> sorry bjoern_ I broke your question :(
14:47:44 <sr> bjoern_, it's pxplzkthx
14:48:20 <bjoern_> NO !
14:48:59 <sr> yes it is
14:49:12 <sbp> sr: chuckle. yeah, though --strings is a little bit of a bastard if you have a lot to output
14:49:51 <sr> sbp, I don't care :-) erdf is so boring.
14:50:16 <sbp> oh, I don't give erdf any consideration at all
14:50:16 <sr> cwm is way funnier
14:50:44 <sbp> but cwm isn't competing with erdf, no?
14:50:50 <sbp> it's more like GRDDL vs. erdf
14:50:54 <sr> YES IT IS !1
14:51:01 <sbp> NO YUO
14:51:22 <sr> nx
14:51:45 <sbp> erdf is just another crappy RDF-in-HTML mistake, as far as I can tell
14:51:47 <sr> oops. I always forgot it's a remote screen
14:51:52 <sbp> there are billions of them
14:51:59 <sr> sbp, exactly :-)
14:52:32 <sr> microformats+grddl is probably the best solution
14:52:33 <sbp> ooh
14:52:39 <sbp> and I just came up with a better idea
14:52:49 * sr can't wait
14:52:51 <sbp> man, remind me to document this at some point
14:52:52 <sbp> heh, heh
14:53:01 <sbp> AFTER FOTEBALL
14:53:20 <sbp> I also need to send you over my Quote Ontology schtuff
14:53:28 <sbp> I did rather a lot
14:53:35 <sbp> okay, back to FOTEBALL!
14:53:42 <sr> sbp, I'll pass that on when sbp is around
14:55:54 <sbp> hehe
14:56:40 <cre8radix> .g holinshed
14:56:42 <phenny> cre8radix: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raphael_Holinshed
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15:10:07 <sbp> good save by POOM there
15:11:28 <sbp> woah! and an awesome save by Robinson
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15:23:57 <sbp> ooh, Scotland 3-1 Ukraine
15:36:53 <sr> :-)))
15:38:01 <thelsdj> .ety harbinger
15:38:03 <phenny> "c.1471, herbengar 'one sent ahead to arrange lodgings' (for a monarch, an army, etc.), alt. of M.E. herberger 'provider of shelter, innkeeper' (c.1175), from O.Fr. herbergeor, from herbergier 'provide lodging,' from herber 'lodging, shelter,' from Frank. *heriberga [...]" - http://etymonline.com/?term=harbinger
15:38:18 <sr> sbp, <sbp> and I just came up with a better idea
15:38:27 <thelsdj> harbinger is a great word
15:38:37 <sr> sbp, <sbp> remind me to document this at some point
15:38:57 <sr> sbp, <sbp> I also need to send you over my Quote Ontology schtuff
15:39:01 <sr> that's all :-)
15:42:10 <sbp> FT
15:43:20 <thelsdj> W
15:43:25 <sbp> indeed
15:44:35 <sr> seems to be Yet Another Accronym I am Not Aware Off
15:45:21 <thelsdj> ftw? its either for the win, or fuck the what (reverse of wtf)
15:47:55 <sr> does Fuck The What means anything?
15:49:06 <sr> for instance, cwm isn't doing what I am expecting
15:49:12 <sr> so I could say "WTF?!3
15:49:17 <sr> s/3/"
15:49:21 <sr> It make sence
15:49:26 <sr> but not FTW
15:54:07 <thelsdj> its used interchangibly with wtf
15:54:31 <thelsdj> means the same thing, but literally means nothing, its just the reverse of wtf, nothing else
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15:55:42 <thelsdj> but generally you wouldn't type 'ftw'
15:55:50 <thelsdj> what you would do is say 'fuck the what' out loud
16:01:44 <sr> ok
16:02:31 <therethinker> So I'm not crazy...
16:02:44 <therethinker> whenever I use FTW -- everyone things I mean "For the win"
16:08:37 <sbp> yeah, it's usually for the win
16:10:20 <jsled> fuck the world, usually, when it's in tatoos.
16:13:42 <sbp> hmm, cwm test.n3 --reify suxxorz
16:15:01 <sbp> cwm is so ancient in its underpinnings that it's almost useless producing junk like that
16:15:21 <sbp> for anyone else to produce something which is kinda equivalent but better you'd need some level of standardisation
16:15:25 <sbp> that'd be a hard balance though
16:16:31 * sbp wonders if he should bother filing a bug about --reify
16:16:39 <sbp> the problem is that I need cwm to give me some reference output
16:17:07 <sbp> and from my standalone notation3.py I'm basically just replacing formulae with bNodes
16:17:57 <sbp> I suppose it's probably possible to write a rule that does that
16:20:30 <sbp> [[[
16:20:30 <sbp> Aside: Philosophers will be distracted here into worrying about the meaning of meaning. At least we didn't call this function "meaning"! In as much as N3 is used as an interlingua for interoperability for different systems, this for an N3 based system is the meaning expressed by a document.]
16:20:36 <sbp> ]]] - http://www.w3.org/2000/10/swap/doc/CwmBuiltins
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16:22:46 <sbp> { ?s ?p ?o . ?s log:rawType log:Formula }
16:22:46 <sbp> => { _:s ?p ?o } .
16:22:46 <sbp> { ?s ?p ?o . ?o log:rawType log:Formula }
16:22:46 <sbp> => { ?s ?p _:o } .
16:22:49 <sbp> that's the easy bit...
16:22:58 <sbp> the problem now is that this is basically going to have to be used as a filter
16:23:29 <sbp> so I need to pass through all triples without formulae
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16:25:27 <sbp> { ?s ?p ?o .
16:25:27 <sbp> ?s log:rawType [ log:notEqualTo log:Formula ] .
16:25:27 <sbp> ?o log:rawType [ log:notEqualTo log:Formula ] }
16:25:27 <sbp> => { ?s ?p ?o } .
16:25:29 <sbp> might work!
16:25:43 <sbp> $ cat test.n3
16:25:43 <sbp> @prefix : <http://example.org/#> .
16:25:43 <sbp> @prefix foaf: <http://xmlns.com/foaf/0.1/> .
16:25:43 <sbp> [ :p :q, _:r, "r" ] .
16:25:43 <sbp> ("a" "b" "c") a :List .
16:25:44 <sbp> { ?p ?q ?r } a :Formula .
16:25:45 <supybot> sbp: Error: "prefix" is not a valid command.
16:25:46 <supybot> sbp: Error: "prefix" is not a valid command.
16:25:51 <sbp> SHUP FOO
16:26:22 <sbp> $ cwm test.n3 --filter=normalise.n3
16:26:23 <sbp> [...]
16:26:33 <sbp> ( "a"
16:26:33 <sbp> "b"
16:26:33 <sbp> "c" )
16:26:33 <sbp> a :List .
16:26:33 <sbp>
16:26:34 <sbp> test:_g0 :p "r",
16:26:36 <sbp> :q,
16:26:38 <sbp> test:_g1 .
16:26:40 <sbp> [ a :Formula ].
16:26:42 <sbp> that's. um
16:26:44 <sbp> weird
16:27:02 <sbp> it turned bNodes into URIs
16:29:07 <sbp> alright, filing this one as a bug
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16:38:15 <sr> huum sbp... any idea why <http://foo.org#bar> a foaf:Person; is foaf:knows of :me . in card.n3, { card:me foaf:knows ?person . } doesn't works?
16:38:51 <sr> but :bar a foaf:Person; is foaf:knows of :me do!
16:43:07 <sbp> alright, another bug filed
16:43:29 <sbp> sr: is the card: namespace bound right?
16:43:53 <sbp> .title http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-cwm-bugs/2007Oct/0007
16:43:56 <phenny> sbp: CWM Bug: bNodes Mistakenly Converted to URIs from Sean B. Palmer on 2007-10-13 (public-cwm-bugs@w3.org from October 2007)
16:44:16 <sbp> [[[
16:44:16 <sbp> Since cwm --ntriples removes statements with formulae, that's no good
16:44:16 <sbp> as reference output. I've already filed a bug about cwm --flatten
16:44:16 <sbp> breaking; that's no good either. I was going to file a bug about cwm
16:44:16 <sbp> --reify, but its output is just too awful to get into at this stage,
16:44:17 <sbp> and so I wrote this filter instead:
16:44:19 <sbp> ]]]
16:54:10 <sbp> sr: you know what, that modelling advice I gave the other night was really good
16:54:23 <sbp> the next day, when I was deep into modelling the quote vocab, I totally forgot it
16:54:34 <sbp> it's so, so easy to get swept up in trying to make the perfect conceptual model
16:54:42 <sbp> and then you get feature creep as you want to extend it to all cases
16:55:02 <sbp> and eventually I was running up against Arnia's Ontological Barrier, and it was like "blergh"
16:55:21 <sbp> and then I remembered my own advice and concentrated on it, and got some forward momentum again
16:55:59 <sbp> one good way of concentrating on a lean model is trying to find nearby-ontologies, so you know that the ground around you has already been trod and you don't need to reinvent the wheel
16:56:12 <sbp> that stopped me from making a slew of properties to identify where the quotes had come from
16:56:23 <sbp> and got me to realise that I wasn't really interested in that for producing the XHTML from it
16:56:35 <sbp> I could just throw a little bit of descriptive markup in there and that was all that's needed
16:56:45 <sbp> so good advice, but hard to follow
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16:57:15 <sbp> yo qopi
16:58:36 <sbp> actually, that's the best next step for the Quotes Ontology, I think
16:58:47 <sbp> coming up with data merging strategies using it
16:58:50 <sbp> well, I already did the CIFP thing
17:01:39 * sbp adds :from to the Quotes Ontology
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17:10:41 <qopi> hiya sbp :)
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17:13:23 <sbp> hmm
17:13:31 <sbp> I'm thinking about bringing back the named :DialogueList
17:13:58 <sbp> because it's actually handy to label all :DialogueLists, not just from the point of view of cwm sucking at list processing without list:lastSublist
17:14:10 <cre8radix> sbp!
17:14:27 <sbp> but also from the point of view of differentiating between a free :Quote instance and one in a :DialogueList
17:14:30 <sbp> yo cre8radix!
17:15:35 <sbp> okay, there we go
17:17:32 <sbp> so now it contains the following:
17:17:33 <sbp> :Quote, :Dialogue, :DialogueList, :quote, :dialogue, :from, :by, :prefix
17:32:29 <sr> what's the role of :DialogueList ?
17:32:48 <sbp> sr: a :DialogueList is a list of quotes in a piece of dialogue
17:32:52 <sbp> so, for example:
17:32:56 <d8uv> http://lonelycandidate.com/
17:33:08 <sbp> [ :from [ t:show db:The_Simpsons; t:episodeCode "3F17";
17:33:10 <sbp> dc:description "The Simpsons, 3F17" ];
17:33:10 <sbp> :dialogue (
17:33:10 <sbp> [ :by c:Homer; :quote "[to Lisa] Donut?" ]
17:33:10 <sbp> [ :by c:Lisa; :quote "No thanks. Do you have any fruit?" ]
17:33:10 <sbp> [ :by c:Homer; :quote "This has purple stuff inside. Purple is a fruit." ]
17:33:12 <sbp> )] .
17:33:24 <sbp> the object of :dialogue is a :DialogueList
17:33:40 <sbp> all of its members are instances of :Quote
17:34:00 <sr> oh great
17:34:12 <sbp> not all quotes have to be in dialogue though. here's a standalone quote:
17:34:12 <sbp> [ :by c:Roy; :from [ t:show db:The_IT_Crowd; t:episodeCode "@@ 2:2";
17:34:12 <sbp> dc:description "The IT Crowd, Season 2 Episode 2" ];
17:34:12 <sbp> :quote "I'm not putting it up to eight Moss, it'll blow my cock off!" ] .
17:34:58 <sr> haha
17:35:16 <sbp> lonelycandidate.com will NOT load
17:35:16 <sbp> .title http://lonelycandidate.com/
17:35:16 <sbp> Swhackdotted?
17:35:18 <phenny> sbp: Lonely Candidate
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17:35:48 <sr> looks great sbp
17:36:20 <sr> btw did finaly managed to get triples from dbpedia using cwm?
17:36:52 <d8uv> :sbp :memberOf :hugeGoddamnNerd
17:36:55 <sr> *did you
17:37:20 <sr> haha d8uv :-)
17:40:16 <sbp> hmm. even with :DialogueList labelling, I think you'd need to do a this log:notIncludes { ... } to get it to work
17:40:16 <sbp> which is scary, since log:notIncludes is a touch temperamental
17:40:56 <sbp> sr: yep! I totally got that working
17:41:07 <sbp> with help from yosi
17:42:10 <sr> cool :)
17:43:01 <sr> btw, please talk document the super-cool idea you had about rdf-in-html a while back. I am about to maintain me my foaf and the html in two different files
17:43:15 <sr> -talk
17:51:05 <sbp> sr: heh, interestingly enough did you see the chat just now on #swig?
17:51:17 <sbp> timbl, danja, and me chatting about ultra-low-cost FOAF file maintenance
17:51:37 <danja_> [n b v
17:51:43 <danja_> - that was left over from sambuca's last session
17:51:51 <sbp> hehe
17:52:09 <sbp> I saw she has her own FOAF file! http://dannyayers.com/misc/foaf/sambuca.rdf
17:52:26 <sbp> ...which is also Not Found, incidentally
17:52:59 <sbp> okay, so anyway. RDF-in-HTML
17:53:09 <sbp> I was basically thinking super-low-cost there too
17:53:28 <sbp> I'd like to take what I grumbled to the TAG about some months ago and push along those lines
17:53:40 <sbp> in other words, making more use of well-known URIs
17:53:54 <sbp> I was also thinking about describing more of the mechanism of translation in RDF
17:54:05 <danja_> there a better profile at: http://semtext.org/pets/profile.xml
17:54:10 <sbp> because GRDDL's limit to XSLT means it doesn't really play nicely with RDDL
17:54:13 <danja_> view source
17:54:37 <sbp> oh, cool. heh, a pets ontology
17:54:43 <sbp> I see you've got /stuff/ on purl.org
17:54:47 <sbp> I just got /ns/ the other day
17:54:52 <danja_> nice
17:55:07 <sbp> they gave me it in seven minutes, no questions asked. rather funny
17:55:09 <danja_> hope you're going to load it up fulll ;-)
17:55:13 <sbp> oh yes
17:55:22 <sbp> will probably put this Quotes Ontology there for a start
17:55:29 <danja_> "making more use of well-known URIs" - sounds a little heretical
17:55:40 <sbp> hehe. how so?
17:55:52 <danja_> the robots.txt angle
17:56:08 <sbp> ah, no. heh, didn't mean those kinds of well-known URIs
17:56:16 <sbp> rather, I really meant *URIs*, not paths
17:56:28 <danja_> ah, ok
17:56:30 <sbp> hang on a sec, lemme get a good explanatory quote
17:56:40 * danja_ remove logs from around sbp's ankles
17:58:02 <d8uv> That's it, I'm going to claim /fuck/ on purl
17:58:02 <sbp> it's actually in the GRDDL spec or thereabouts
17:58:03 <sbp> [[[
17:58:04 <sbp> It's important to note that XSLT processing is not required to
17:58:05 <sbp> take advantage of GRDDL. For well-known transformation URIs, an
17:58:07 <sbp> application can be written to extract the data directly from the
17:58:09 <sbp> source markup without actually running an XSLT transformation.
17:58:11 <sbp> XSLT is only required when an application wants to support
17:58:13 <sbp> arbitrary GRDDL transformations.
17:58:15 <sbp> ]]]
17:58:19 <sbp> - quoted in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2006Sep/0084
17:58:50 <sbp> the problem with GRDDLs well-known URIs is that they're all XSLT URIs
17:59:14 <sbp> I'd like to step it up a notch there by saying: use some kind of microlanguage in RDF for describing transformations
17:59:24 <sbp> then make a core set of them well known, as part of the spec
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17:59:41 <danja_> hmmm
17:59:41 <sbp> XSLT would probably play a fair part
17:59:49 <sbp> but this would open up the door for transforming HTML, say
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18:00:13 <danja_> the microlanguage bit sounds cool, as does transforming html
18:00:31 <danja_> but I don't know what an xslt uri is :-)
18:01:20 <d8uv> [[[
18:01:22 <d8uv> Confirm Top Level Domain Request Information
18:01:22 <d8uv> If the information below is incorrect, use your browser's Back button to go back to the previous form and correct the information. If the information below is correct select the Confirm button to continue.
18:01:26 <d8uv> Domain /FUCK
18:01:29 <d8uv> Maintainers d8uv
18:01:31 <d8uv> Writers d8uv
18:01:34 <d8uv> Justification
18:01:36 <d8uv> I want it.
18:01:39 <d8uv> Public Comments
18:01:41 <d8uv> Hey, fuck you.
18:01:44 <d8uv> ]]]
18:01:46 <sbp> danja: a URI which, when dereferenced, only gives you XSLT :-)
18:02:01 <sbp> d8uv: I would laugh at that but I don't want them to take /ns/ away
18:02:06 <sbp> so consider yourself officially scalded
18:02:08 <danja_> ok, but you don't necessarily have to dereference it
18:02:27 <sbp> danja_: no, but this means that GRDDL has no scope for generalisation
18:02:32 <sbp> it's tied to XSLT until the end of time
18:02:41 <danja_> nah!
18:02:53 <sbp> until GRDDL 2.0... :-)
18:03:06 <d8uv> I don't think they can take /ns/ away
18:03:08 <danja_> just no-one's really figured out how to use anything other than xslt
18:03:14 <sbp> anyway, I'm still not done with controversy yet!
18:03:16 <sbp> d8uv: that is true
18:03:21 <sbp> they cannot
18:03:33 <sbp> next controversy:
18:03:38 <sbp> I'd hijack one of the http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/types.html#type-links values
18:03:49 <danja_> d8uv, I hope you've some suitably impressive plans for /fuck
18:03:52 <sbp> so no need for a head/@profile value
18:03:54 <sbp> yeah man
18:04:07 <sbp> what will you do with it if they give you it?
18:04:19 <danja_> sbp, interesting
18:04:30 <sbp> so, alternate seems to be the obvious choice. one might just about get away with stylesheet even
18:05:02 <danja_> er, but then what?
18:05:18 <sbp> that's it. that's the whole plan
18:05:23 <sbp> then what what?
18:05:59 <d8uv> I'm going to make a bunch of random purls under fuck that point everywhere
18:06:19 <danja_> what, you going to hold alternate for ransom..?
18:06:19 <danja_> dosh, helicopter etc...?
18:06:21 <sbp> everywhere? random places?
18:06:57 <danja_> random facebook pages, might even get yourself locked up
18:06:58 <sbp> danja_: no, I think it's legal. read the defn.: "When used together with the media attribute, it implies a version designed for a different medium (or media)."
18:07:24 <sbp> oh, actually, can't hijack it that way because media values are constrained
18:07:31 <d8uv> /fuck/yall -> A page that flashes "I HOPE YOU ALL GET AIDS AND DIE" etc etc
18:07:40 <danja_> in the cell next to a certain kidnapper
18:08:00 <d8uv> Maybe make it so that anyone can make fuck purls
18:08:00 <sbp> I think I'd go for stylesheet, then
18:08:10 <danja_> so on a given html page you have an alternate, what does that resolve to/do?
18:08:13 <sbp> d8uv: that's a good idea, actually
18:08:30 <sbp> danja_: well, so what I envisage is this:
18:08:35 <danja_> oops
18:08:52 <sbp> <link rel="stylesheet" type="application/rdf+xml" href="http://example.org/hcard" />
18:09:23 <sbp> then hcard is a document in the RDF microprofile language linking off to an XSLT document for converting XHTML, and $undecided for converting HTML
18:09:24 <d8uv> the relationship isn't a stylesheet?
18:09:32 <sbp> but, of course, it can be used as a well-known URI
18:09:50 <sbp> d8uv: hmm?
18:10:11 <sbp> it might be that rel="alternate stylesheet" is righter... I'd have to think about it more
18:10:26 <sbp> I'm surprised GRDDL didn't hijack stylesheet in retrospect
18:10:34 <d8uv> stylesheet is just for xslt and ccs
18:10:35 <sbp> because it's using XSLT. which is a stylesheet language!
18:10:49 <d8uv> Not for freakyshit
18:10:53 <sr> loggy: pointer?
18:10:53 <loggy> http://swhack.com/logs/2007-10-13#T18-10-53
18:11:10 <sbp> d8uv: heh, no it's not. the HTML spec doesn't enumerate as far as I know
18:11:25 <sbp> if you know of such an enumeration, please tell me now though!
18:11:45 <d8uv> I dare you to find a client that accepts Freakyshit
18:11:48 <d8uv> I DARE YOU
18:12:02 <sbp> well that's the point. by fostering support for this, we create clients
18:12:16 <sbp> the other point is that presumably this won't break any existing client
18:12:19 <sbp> that would have to be tested
18:12:32 <sbp> okay, an add on adjuncty thing to think about:
18:12:40 <sbp> this would be a good format for RDDL
18:13:05 <sbp> you'd just have some well-known stylesheet that lets you use RDDLy constructs
18:13:09 <sbp> and whee, there you go
18:13:11 * danja_ just sent inappropriate message to ircserve:
18:13:11 <danja_> . /fuck/me
18:13:11 <danja_> (inappropriate, but paradixically on-topic)
18:13:11 * danja_ looks up stylesheet link type
18:13:28 <sbp> there's http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/present/styles.html#style-external
18:13:40 <sbp> and http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/links.html#linksandss
18:13:40 <danja_> Firefox can't find the server at www.w3.org.
18:13:43 <sbp> eek
18:13:48 <sbp> it's alright here
18:13:53 <d8uv> Believe it or not I might actually know something!
18:14:05 <sbp> "When the LINK element links an external style sheet to a document, the type attribute specifies the style sheet language and the media attribute specifies the intended rendering medium or media. User agents may save time by retrieving from the network only those style sheets that apply to the current device."
18:14:13 <sbp> the type attribute is a MIME type
18:14:21 <sbp> of which application/rdf+xml is a valid value
18:14:47 <sbp> also pertinent:
18:14:48 <sbp> [[[
18:14:48 <sbp> Stylesheet
18:14:49 <sbp> Refers to an external style sheet. See the section on external style sheets for details. This is used together with the link type "Alternate" for user-selectable alternate style sheets.
18:14:54 <sbp> ]]] - http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/types.html#type-links
18:15:04 <sbp> that's why I'm unsure whether alternate is required too or not
18:15:40 <sbp> I think so, because imagine loading an XHTML page, using this new idea, in Tabulator
18:16:04 <sbp> you'd want the Tabulator Extension to show you the XHTML generally, otherwise browsing the web would be a bastard
18:16:17 <sbp> so seeing the "style this as data" option would be just that—an option
18:16:36 <sbp> so you'd probably need to do stuff like <link rel="alternate stylesheet" type="application/rdf+xml" href="http://example.org/hcard" />
18:17:37 <danja_> sbp, though the Rec's done, grddl-wg's still live so would be a good time to get a comment on the record
18:17:48 <sbp> really? okay, that's good to know
18:17:56 <sbp> it's also very much a TAG issue, given namespaceDocument-8
18:18:11 <sbp> I'll fashion a Modest Proposal and send it to both groups, perhaps
18:18:20 <danja_> ya
18:19:06 <danja_> hmm
18:20:00 <danja_> this other URI gives another representation of the stuff you're looking at, and it's a stylesheet...?
18:20:34 <danja_> intriguing though - anything that'd help with the html side would be good
18:21:08 <sbp> well, I think that the alternate in "alternate stylesheet" means something different to when it's just "alternate" by itself
18:21:08 <danja_> given the scarcity of @profile & well-formed xhtml
18:21:22 <sbp> the alternate in that case governs stylesheet, not the page in question
18:21:23 <sbp> right
18:21:38 * danja_ assumed it would be two separate statements
18:21:43 <sbp> it'd hopefully get the mf and other groups on board to being standards compliant
18:21:51 <sbp> two separate statements?
18:21:53 <danja_> the rel applies to "this page"
18:22:07 <sbp> hmm?
18:22:29 <danja_> the object of a rel is <#>
18:22:40 <danja_> (or <>, whatever...)
18:22:47 <danja_> sorry - subject
18:23:07 <danja_> object is the href
18:23:13 <sbp> right
18:23:32 <sbp> the predicate is the @rel
18:23:45 <danja_> (there is also rev, not sure if that might be useful in your kidnap plot)
18:24:03 <sbp> hmm, that's a point. let's see...
18:24:21 <sbp> hmm, nope. don't think so
18:24:35 <sbp> the HTML %LinkTypes really freaking suck
18:25:11 <danja_> "The value of this [rel] attribute is a space-separated list of link types."
18:25:20 <danja_> http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/links.html#adef-rel
18:25:38 <sbp> yeah, but as I say, "alternate stylesheet" seems to be an exception in the interpretation
18:25:48 <sbp> given 'This is used together with the link type "Alternate" for user-selectable alternate style sheets.'
18:25:58 <sbp> user agents have always treated it that way
18:26:15 <danja_> ok...
18:26:15 <sbp> the "alternate" bit mightn't be a good idea
18:26:34 <sbp> because we can actually specify the behaviour of clients as a function of the microvocab
18:26:50 <sbp> just like the XSLT specification specifies what XSLT-conformant clients must do
18:27:12 <sbp> as CSS for CSS, etc.
18:27:21 <danja_> 'k, I missed the second sentence of rel="stylesheet"
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18:27:49 <sbp> yeah. I'm definitely leaning back towards just stylesheet by itself though
18:27:57 <sbp> as I say, I need to think about this carefully before proposing
18:28:05 <danja_> right now I can't see any reason why not
18:28:17 <sbp> seems sane? great!
18:28:27 <sbp> it does seem to solve an awful lot of problems for very little cost
18:28:38 <sbp> and we get to squabble about an RDF vocab, which is fun
18:28:45 <danja_> but it may have been raked over somewhere before
18:28:52 <danja_> always fun that
18:28:59 <sbp> yeah, quite possibly
18:29:05 <sbp> even if so, it's worth reviving
18:29:24 <sbp> unless someone found some technical objection to it before, of course
18:29:27 <danja_> easiest way to find out if it's been considered is to suggest it
18:29:31 <d8uv> But :animal should be treated equally with :people
18:29:32 <sbp> aye
18:29:39 <sbp> d8uv: mischan?
18:29:45 <sbp> are you on #rdffurries?
18:29:57 <d8uv> #foafpeta, actually
18:29:57 <sbp> #rdyiff?
18:30:00 <sbp> heh
18:30:09 * sbp likes rdyiff
18:30:24 <danja_> !!!!
18:31:08 <danja_> that has to be used somewhere
18:31:15 <sbp> hehe, yeah!
18:32:25 <d8uv> [[[
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18:32:27 <d8uv> 10:40 <@d8uv> <> :performs :murr
18:32:29 <d8uv> ]]]
18:32:32 * danja_ contemplates beer & http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3s4v-02P6c
18:32:32 <sbp> hehe
18:32:58 * danja_ not sure whether he wants to google murr
18:33:15 * sbp appends http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3s4v-02P6c to his to-watch stack
18:33:36 <sbp> ahahaha
18:33:37 <sbp> 19:41 *** Now talking on #rdyiff
18:33:37 <sbp> 19:41 *** Channel #rdyiff created on Sat Oct 13 19:40:22 2007
18:33:38 <sbp> 19:41 <sbp> murr o' th' day to ye, gentleyiff
18:33:38 <sbp> 19:41 <d8uv> FURSECUTION!!!
18:33:38 <sbp> 19:41 *** d8uv sets ban on *!*i=sbp@66.9.179.*
18:33:39 <sbp> 19:41 *** You have been kicked from #rdyiff by d8uv (d8uv)
18:34:11 <d8uv> murr is safe, surprisingly
18:34:17 <sbp> .wik Murr
18:34:20 <phenny> "The Murr is a river in Baden-Württemberg, Germany, right tributary of the Neckar." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murr
18:34:24 <sbp> yep
18:35:43 <danja_> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=murr
18:36:16 <danja_> that dictionary may be a new art form
18:36:35 <d8uv> Yes
18:36:43 <d8uv> I love urbandictionary
18:37:00 <d8uv> My friend coined Nacho Tower, and Fugly
18:37:16 <thelsdj> and I say again, phenny needs a .ud command!
18:37:53 <danja_> nacho tower is good, yes
18:38:23 <danja_> has that frisson of "did someone just make this up"
18:39:20 <danja_> art too in the development of the examples for fugly
18:40:08 <danja_> I wonder if Stephen Palmer really is fugly
18:40:20 <sbp> .img Stephen Palmer
18:40:22 <phenny> Stephen Palmer: http://www.rational.org.nz
18:40:24 <sbp> I should fix .img
18:40:37 <sbp> http://images.google.com/images?q=Stephen+Palmer&oe=UTF-8&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi
18:40:39 <sbp> yes, he is
18:41:30 <sr> only 10 minutes left!
18:41:34 <sbp> yep!
18:41:41 <sbp> exciting
18:41:45 <sbp> English double today?
18:41:55 <sbp> Alllez les blaaaAaaanaaannccc!
18:42:13 <sr> hehe
18:42:31 <danja_> .g Stephen B. Palmer
18:42:34 <phenny> danja_: http://www.zoominfo.com/people/level2page30434.aspx
18:43:07 <sr> I think I'll move to a pub to see the match
18:43:25 <sbp> good idea. you'd better hurry then
18:43:54 <d8uv> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=the+dominator&i=1
18:43:58 <sr> yep. but I need to have a shower first
18:43:59 <danja_> a nacho tower directory
18:46:09 <d8uv> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=THE+DOCTOR+IS+THE+PERSON+WHO+KEEPS+SAYING+%22CRETIN+TROLL%22
18:46:17 <qopi> .mangle hello how are you
18:46:28 <phenny> qopi: "Today it is your that"
18:47:18 <qopi> .mangle a penny for your thoughts
18:47:24 <d8uv> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=the+dillion+jay
18:47:29 <phenny> qopi: "Does that think it of with him relating to something, prolonged?"
18:47:37 <sbp> they're walking onto the pitch
18:47:42 <sr> btw sbp I didn't understood anything to your idea; must be my lack of spec knwoledge. but timbl's idea (on foaf and tabulator ala facebook) sounds great
18:47:45 <qopi> rugby?
18:47:54 <sbp> yeah
18:47:55 <d8uv> cricket
18:48:01 <d8uv> OH SNAP I LOSE
18:48:08 <sbp> sr: on the FOAF thingy, you mean?
18:48:11 <qopi> we dont have a tv! nooooooooo
18:48:14 <sbp> yeah, I didn't really work through my ideas on that yet
18:48:21 <sbp> I have quite a few of them, but they're a bit loose
18:48:26 <d8uv> .mangle
18:48:27 <d8uv> have a bowel movement on the floor. then have your partner sit in it. and you proceed to screw them up the rectum. when you are about to cum, say "Samba Roll" and do a 'round-the-town' movement(like spongebob)and then cum inside them.
18:48:29 <sbp> timbl's was great
18:48:35 <qopi> er, I'm not actually that big a fan, but my gfriend is and that was her typing! :P
18:48:41 <phenny> d8uv: "With _ which"
18:48:42 <sbp> .mangle have a bowel movement on the floor. then have your partner sit in it. and you proceed to screw them up the rectum. when you are about to cum, say "Samba Roll" and do a 'round-the-town' movement(like spongebob)and then cum inside them.
18:48:54 <sbp> qopi: hehe
18:48:54 <phenny> sbp: "This propagation, while falling, inside, which relates to the movement the body and intern you 3 and the right straight lines and tightens roughly still strongly, in order to continuing the person on the attention "and the interior, which these remainders of Rektums of the word of the movement draw, which form of this fact the form that time thing
18:49:54 <sbp> national anthems playing
18:50:02 <sbp> where's JibberJim? where's darobin?
18:50:06 <sbp> probably in pubs, actually. hehe
18:52:05 <sbp> kick off
18:52:30 <perigrin> or sleeping it off
18:52:32 <perigrin> possibly both
18:53:12 <sbp> was it!?
18:53:13 <sbp> omg
18:53:17 <sbp> YES!
18:53:18 <sbp> ahaha
18:53:22 <sbp> English try, second minute!
18:54:20 <sbp> Wilkinson missed the (tricky) conversion
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18:57:15 <JibberJim> I am here actually
18:59:51 <sbp> French penalty, 5-3
18:59:56 <sbp> yo JibberJim
19:00:00 <sbp> unexpected start, eh?
19:00:39 <JibberJim> yep!
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19:09:45 <sbp> French pen...
19:10:09 <sbp> bugger. 6-5 to France
19:13:04 <sr> http://the-u-web.org/ - wtf?
19:15:05 <sbp> grr, that was in
19:15:22 <sr> mwarf, I'll miss this match :-/
19:15:47 <sbp> d'oh
19:17:53 <sbp> the commentator just called Cheval the "21st century Asterix"
19:18:01 <sbp> Chabal, even
19:18:42 <sbp> drop-goal attempt, Eng, missed
19:20:53 <sbp> Eng pen
19:21:31 <sbp> it's a huge way, but Wilkinson is going for it
19:22:06 <sbp> 0/3. sigh
19:25:42 <d8uv> Rugby vs NFL, playing ping pong
19:25:46 <d8uv> WHO WINS
19:26:50 <JibberJim> erm, on what grounds?
19:27:36 <d8uv> Hm. Tibet/
19:28:06 <JibberJim> Rugby then, the bigger balls work better at altitude
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19:34:43 <sbp> HT
19:35:32 <qopi> half time, already?
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19:36:04 <sbp> yeah
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19:42:55 <sr> sbp, I am writing html+microformats :-(
19:44:38 <sbp> oh dear!
19:45:25 <sr> I think it's the evidence something must be done
19:45:27 <sbp> Second Half
19:45:30 <sbp> heh, yes
19:45:54 <sr> even a semweb geek is forced/reducted to write microformats
19:46:31 <sr> sbp, enjoy!
19:47:11 <sr> too bad you're not living in Belgium; you can't enjoy a good old Leffe Brune while watching the rugby :-)
19:48:17 <JibberJim> erm
19:48:23 <JibberJim> yeah...
19:48:51 <sr> .g leffe brune
19:48:53 <phenny> sr: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leffe
19:49:08 <sbp> French pen
19:49:13 <JibberJim> yeah, I know what it is...
19:49:43 <sbp> 9-5
19:49:56 <sbp> rats
19:50:22 <sr> JibberJim even better, a Triple Westmalle - http://www.trappistwestmalle.be/
19:50:52 <sr> but after 5 of them you may end up sleeping on the couch
19:51:34 <sbp> Eng pen! good charge
19:51:54 <JibberJim> none of them make up for being in belgium ;p
19:52:29 <JibberJim> sleeping on the couch is a good place to end up though! it's sleeping in the wrong bed that's the risk
19:53:09 <sbp> whoo! 9-8
19:58:03 <sbp> argh. 5m scrum by English line
19:59:23 <sbp> drop goal, missed!
19:59:41 <sbp> they just took Beauxis off too
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20:06:25 <sbp> ARGH!
20:06:28 <sbp> drop goal hit post!
20:06:48 <sbp> Eng pen!
20:07:19 <sbp> ...Fra pen. d'oh
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20:14:13 <sbp> phew, Fra drop-goal miss
20:16:11 <perigrin> six nations?
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20:16:42 <sbp> yikes. scrum right near our line again
20:16:44 <sbp> perigrin: World Cup
20:16:53 <perigrin> ahh
20:16:58 <perigrin> where's it being played?
20:17:07 * perigrin could probably go look
20:17:31 <JibberJim> Stade de France
20:17:41 <perigrin> yeah just found it via Google
20:18:15 <sbp> dirty, but Eng pen!
20:20:31 <d8uv> sbp wanna play rugby
20:21:26 <sbp> both fly-halves down injured
20:21:30 <sbp> d8uv: EH?
20:21:37 * d8uv gets the ball
20:21:53 <perigrin> IRC Rugby
20:22:10 * d8uv starts all runnin and shit
20:23:26 * d8uv wins!
20:23:36 * d8uv 1 - 0 sbp
20:25:23 <sbp> Eng pen!
20:25:29 <sbp> central, quite close!
20:26:26 <sbp> WHOO!
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20:26:33 <sbp> 11-9 Eng, six minutes to go!
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20:28:13 <sbp> Eng pen, good
20:29:10 <JibberJim> Chabal with an elbow!
20:30:22 <sbp> DROP GOAL!
20:30:23 <sbp> ahahaha!
20:30:31 <sbp> 14-9, two mins!
20:30:33 <sr> isn't the match supposed to end up at 22:30 ?
20:31:34 <sbp> Eng scrum, in their own half
20:31:46 <sbp> we're almost there... one min
20:32:46 <sbp> time
20:33:05 <sr> :-)))
20:34:12 <sbp> whistle!
20:34:14 <sbp> AAHAHAha!
20:34:15 <sbp> WIN!
20:35:06 <perigrin> England?
20:35:19 * perigrin can only assume sbp isn't rooting for France
20:35:43 <JibberJim> WOO HOO
20:36:54 <sr> :-D
20:38:09 * JibberJim sends sms "Ha Ha" to darobin :D
20:39:14 <sbp> man, I'm exhausted. hehe
20:39:18 <sbp> JibberJim: ahahaha
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20:39:31 <sbp> phenny: tell darobin !
20:39:34 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when darobin is around.
20:39:44 <sr> I which Belgium will be part of the RWC one day
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20:43:42 <JibberJim> belgium should split and the french part join france!
20:44:07 <JibberJim> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belgium_national_rugby_union_team - shame, never qualified
20:44:22 <JibberJim> ". Belgium went on a six-game winning streak in the late 1980s as well
20:44:25 <JibberJim> woohoo!
20:44:34 <JibberJim> and they played Argentina recently
20:45:50 <JibberJim> <darobin> You're pretty much the italians of rugby
20:45:51 <JibberJim> git!
20:46:01 <sbp> hehe
20:46:02 <sr> JibberJim: I was there :-)
20:46:26 <sr> wtf? Wallonie joined with France? are you kidding?
20:46:28 <JibberJim> cool sr!
20:46:39 <JibberJim> c'mon, Belgium shouldn't exist :)
20:46:46 <sr> hey!
20:47:09 <JibberJim> :D
20:47:43 <sr> I'll offer you a book on Belgium's history via Amazone
20:48:12 <sr> wait... can you read French ?
20:48:51 <sr> sbp, about foaf and microformats etc
20:48:55 <sr> what was your idea?
20:49:17 <JibberJim> j'm'appelle JibberJim et je suis troiseme ans
20:50:34 <JibberJim> (that's about it... )
20:51:08 <sr> oh and the man who first tough about something similar to the internet was a belgian
20:51:12 <sr> :-P
20:51:44 <sr> *though
20:53:24 <perigrin> man ... poor Scotland
20:53:43 <perigrin> not only did they not make it into the semi finals ... but England made it to teh finals!
20:53:50 <sr> well, in other word I *love* my country even if something funny/stupid things
20:54:33 <perigrin> JibberJim, je suis un chat
20:54:41 * JibberJim is teasing sr :)
20:55:04 * JibberJim is believes patriotism is a great thing!
20:55:14 <sr> *if sometime funny or stupid thing happens
20:55:28 <sr> I am definitely not a patriot
20:56:00 <sr> it's just that I like my country. both it darks and pink side
20:56:24 <sr> actualy, Belgium makes me laugh
20:58:00 <JibberJim> erm patriot has no negative overtones for me
20:58:13 <JibberJim> loving your country, for me, makes you a patriot
20:58:21 <JibberJim> it saddens me the word is overloaded
20:59:55 <sr> well, yes
21:11:33 <sr> hey, I am hesitating... in my foaf I am writing <http://purl.org/net/sr#me> a foaf:Person; ... should the purl redirect to my homepage (in html) or to my foaf (in rdf) ?
21:14:19 <perigrin> sr, depends on the request headers?
21:14:38 * perigrin believes in content-type negotiation
21:15:10 <JibberJim> I'm happy with you giving yourself a URI like that sr
21:15:15 <JibberJim> just please don't give me one
21:15:23 <sr> too late
21:15:24 <JibberJim> (or a url)
21:15:39 <sr> :JibberJim a foaf:Person . (in my foaf)
21:15:51 <sr> YOU ARE A URI !
21:16:11 <sr> perigrin, well... it's not that easy under lighttpd
21:16:46 <perigrin> being a lighttpd neophile ... I will take it you're right
21:18:02 <sr> oh! great
21:18:36 <sr> perigrin, both of my ears are fully open :-)
21:18:50 * JibberJim will publish some OWL denying that the person with the nick JibberJim has the URI you gave me
21:19:18 * perigrin authenticates assertions that both sr and JibberJim are correct in their statments
21:19:31 <JibberJim> and I'll sign mine as the person with the nick JibberJim...
21:19:44 <sr> perigrin hey, please don't it may break the internet
21:20:28 <sr> it's a bug which has been introduced by the semantic web... bug #1 is if you type google in google
21:20:31 <perigrin> sr, honestly short of content negotiation who do you expect to most likely retrieve that URL? rdf consumers? or html consumers?
21:21:05 <perigrin> seeing as it's an assertion you're making in a RDF statment ... I'd be leaning toward RDF consumers as the primary audience.
21:21:34 * perigrin asserts that it is both a bug and feature ...
21:21:39 <sr> both of them
21:21:59 * perigrin also asserts that black is white and white is black ... and becomes very nervous about zebra crossings.
21:29:45 <sr> perigrin so how does content negotiation works in lighty?
21:30:11 <perigrin> er sorry ... neophile as in have only recently gotten to it.
21:30:37 <perigrin> I am a neophile with lighttpd
21:30:42 <perigrin> sorry :)
21:30:51 <sr> ah ok
21:31:15 <sr> I missunderstanded your sentence
21:31:20 <sr> *sentance ?
21:31:31 <sr> *missunderstood
21:31:36 <sr> well.
21:40:10 <perigrin> hmm ... doesn't look like you can on Content-Type
21:40:12 <perigrin> :/
21:40:21 <perigrin> pity
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21:42:58 <Monty> welcome, pierpa
21:43:09 <pierpa> ciao Monty
21:43:10 <Monty> !!!!
21:43:42 <sr> perigrin yes
21:43:52 <sr> that's why I said it's not that easy with lighty
21:44:24 <sr> I guess I could write a magnet lua, but I definitely don't want to learn lua and how lighty works
21:45:08 <sr> so... I still don't know what to do for these uri
21:45:32 <sr> I could write a stupud ruby script otherwise
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21:45:42 <sr> or python, whatever
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21:47:17 <sr> or the simplest solution : /net/sr -> .html, /net/sr/card -> foaf
21:47:18 <JibberJim> johnny vegas was first on "win lose or draw" that's great!
21:47:38 <sr> mpc next
21:47:52 <sr> raaah
21:47:58 <sr> I alway do that
21:48:05 <sr> *always
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