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00:13:06 <KragenSitaker> zooko, are you swhacking on famtime?
00:17:05 <KragenSitaker> .g omega-3 canola
00:17:07 <phenny> KragenSitaker: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omega-3_fatty_acid
00:17:23 <KragenSitaker> .g omega-6 canola
00:17:26 <phenny> KragenSitaker: http://www.askdrsears.com/html/4/T043800.asp
00:53:42 <chimezie> .wik frank lewis
00:53:45 <phenny> "Frank Douglas Lewis (born July 4, 1947 in Houma, Louisiana) is a former professional American football wide receiver who played for the Pittsburgh Steelers and Buffalo Bills from 1971 through 1983." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Lewis
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01:02:55 <Monty> Thank goodness, rob1n is back!
01:02:57 <phenny> Be quiet, Monty.
01:02:57 <Monty> sbp(thx)
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06:56:19 <d8uv> http://www.villagevoice.com/music/0711,harvilla,76021,22.html
06:56:33 <d8uv> Old news, but hilarious nonetheless
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06:58:02 <sbp> HELLO
06:58:05 <phenny> sbp: 20 Oct 22:24Z <laplink> tell sbp What's your date for “As You Like It”?
06:58:08 <phenny> sbp: 20 Oct 23:33Z <KragenSitaker> tell sbp zooko copied that from linux
06:58:48 <sbp> phenny: tell laplink 1599. one of the more unquestionable ones
06:58:51 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when laplink is around.
07:00:54 <sbp> phenny: tell laplink (not in Palladis Tamia September 1598 which was finished shortly before going to press iirc, registered August 1600, one of the songs was published in a book in early(?) 1600 too; Jaques bears an uncanny pre-resemblance to Hamlet, and the whole thing about the world being a stage links in with the Globe being built in 1599)
07:00:57 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when laplink is around.
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07:21:56 <sbp> AHHHH SPACES
07:21:57 <sbp> ? http://www.talkdigger.com/sioc/activerain.com/blogsview/54706/SCL-News-NBC-Affiliate/xml
07:21:57 <sbp> W:Invalid line: '<http://activerain.com/blogs/tags/condo blog> <http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#type> <http://xmlns.com/foaf/0.1/Document> .'
07:22:55 <pierpa> .weather lirf
07:22:58 <phenny> Clear ☼, 9℃, 1012mb, Fresh breeze 17kt (↑) - LIRF 9:20, 0720Z
07:23:30 <sbp> .weather EGLL
07:23:33 <phenny> Cover Unknown, ?, ?mb, Calm 0kt (↑) - EGLL 8:20, 0720Z
07:23:37 <sbp> it's rather pleasant here
07:23:58 <sbp> .web http://weather.noaa.gov/pub/data/observations/metar/stations/EGLL.TXT
07:24:00 <phenny> sbp: "2007/10/21 07:20 EGLL 210720Z 00000KT 7000 1000SW R27R/P1500 R27L/P1500 PRFG NSC 02/01 Q1032"
07:24:21 <sbp> heh. http://www.w3.org/2006/WSC/wiki/NoteUrlTypo
07:24:52 *** sbp changed the topic to: ""Alice took typing in high school, so is just as comfortable typing in (simple) URLs as she is using bookmarks or other means to get to sites she uses.""
07:25:42 <pierpa> here's very cold :(
07:26:54 <sbp> .web http://weather.noaa.gov/pub/data/observations/metar/stations/LIRF.TXT
07:26:57 <phenny> sbp: "2007/10/21 07:20 LIRF 210720Z 02017KT CAVOK 09/M03 Q1012 NOSIG"
07:27:12 <sbp> well it's much colder here
07:27:15 <sbp> apparently
07:29:03 <sbp> phenny: reload weather
07:29:06 <phenny> sbp: <module 'modules.weather' from '/home/sbp/phenny/modules/weather.py'> (version: 2007-10-21 07:43:52)
07:29:08 <sbp> .weather EGLL
07:29:11 <phenny> Clear ☼, 2℃, 1032mb, Calm 0kt (↑) - EGLL 8:20, 0720Z
07:29:19 <pierpa> argh
07:29:51 <sbp> .weather ENTC
07:29:53 <phenny> Cloudy, 10℃, 1018mb, VC SH, Strong breeze 13m/s (25kt) (↑) - ENTC, 9:20, 0720Z
07:30:06 <sbp> warmer up in laplinkland even!
07:30:43 <pierpa> .weather licg
07:30:45 <phenny> Cloudy, 15℃, 1008mb, Gentle breeze 7kt (↑) - LICG 8:55, 0655Z
07:30:51 <pierpa> here's a warm place
07:31:38 <sbp> they're predicting it'll warm to 5C in an hour or two here
07:32:10 <sbp> ? http://www.talkdigger.com/sioc/afeedisborn.com/feed/xml
07:32:10 <sbp> W:Invalid line: '<http://www.talkdigger.com/conversations/sndirectory.worldoutline.com/Feed Blogs/A Feed is Born#conversation> .'
07:32:12 <sbp> BAD
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07:36:26 <sbp> hmm, or possibly not!
07:36:34 <sbp> cf. http://www.w3.org/TR/2004/REC-rdf-concepts-20040210/#dfn-URI-reference
07:42:15 <sbp> apparently they're valid in both RDF/XML and N-Triples
07:42:16 <sbp> fixed now
07:43:05 <sbp> "No nudity; No sexual material; No violence; No potentially offensive language; No potentially harmful activities; No user-generated content" - http://leisure.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/leisure/labels.rdf
07:44:29 <sbp> .pc "
07:44:32 <phenny> 0022: QUOTATION MARK (")
07:44:46 <sbp> ? http://www.talkdigger.com/sioc/ajaxian.com/archives/accessibility-use-ajax-get-sued/xml
07:44:46 <sbp> W:Invalid line: '<http://swik.net/Ajax/del.icio.us/tag/ajax/Ajaxian " Accessibility: Use Ajax, Get Sued?/bnk6o> <http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#type> <http://xmlns.com/foaf/0.1/Document> .'
07:44:49 <sbp> now *that's* invalid
07:46:03 <sbp> .pc <
07:46:05 <phenny> 003C: LESS-THAN SIGN (<)
07:46:19 <sbp> .pc >
07:46:22 <phenny> 003E: GREATER-THAN SIGN (>)
07:47:06 <sbp> it looks like <http://example.org/<>> might be valid N-Triples too
08:00:02 <sbp> aha, http://rdfabout.com/demo/census/
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08:56:52 <thelsdj> shitfuck
08:57:03 <thelsdj> i am getting addicted to Eve Online again
09:00:50 <thelsdj> RMS attacked by ninjas...
09:01:37 <bjoern_> OMG NINJAS
09:16:18 <sbp> wow, a concrete example of the < thing:
09:16:18 <sbp> ? http://www.talkdigger.com/sioc/bart.la/xml
09:16:18 <sbp> W:Invalid line: '<http://mediabom.be/nl/node/<a> <http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#type> <http://xmlns.com/foaf/0.1/Document> .'
09:16:24 <sbp> scary
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09:20:54 <thelsdj> options were sleep or watch QI, i think you can guess what i went with
09:21:07 <sbp> was it good?
09:21:30 <thelsdj> catching up on series 5
09:21:34 <thelsdj> on ep 3 no
09:21:35 <thelsdj> now
09:21:52 <sbp> neisch
09:24:59 <sbp> hmm, only 3 subtriples still
09:25:05 <sbp> even though I'm crawling lots of n3 now
09:25:10 <sbp> and 2 of those are from my test file!
09:27:06 <sbp> the other is from http://necronomicorp.com/reading apparently
09:27:52 <sbp> ...which is weird since there are no subtriples in there
09:27:56 <sbp> sigh. something's rotten here
09:31:56 <sbp> hmm
09:32:08 <sbp> a lot of the old N3 rules files are invalid now because they use @this
09:33:10 <sbp> .gc site:www.w3.org "log:implies" filetype:n3 -this
09:33:13 <phenny> site:www.w3.org "log:implies" filetype:n3 -this: 0
09:34:05 <sbp> ah, http://www.w3.org/2000/10/swap/test/gedcom/gedcom-all.n3
09:35:29 * sbp crawls just that and inspects its output
09:35:31 <thelsdj> oh man
09:35:36 <thelsdj> QI has me cracking up laughing
09:35:43 <sbp> what, did Alan Davies win one?
09:36:00 <thelsdj> "The short answer is 'no'. The long answer is 'fuck no'.
09:36:05 <sbp> hehe
09:36:21 <sbp> rats, triples but no subtriples!
09:36:47 <sbp> ...fuck, no triples!
09:37:03 <sbp> OMG I'VE BROKEN SOMETHING
09:38:50 <thelsdj> teh intarwubz?
09:39:28 <bjoern_> .gc "seeing the truth will cost magic power"
09:39:30 <phenny> "seeing the truth will cost magic power": 32
09:39:47 <sbp> oh dear, it thinks it's RDF/XML for some reason
09:39:57 <sbp> .head http://www.w3.org/2000/10/swap/test/gedcom/gedcom-all.n3 Content-Type
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09:39:59 <phennytest> Content-Type: text/rdf+n3; qs=0.89
09:40:00 <phenny> Content-Type: text/rdf+n3; qs=0.89
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09:41:28 <sbp> oh dear. that was seriously fucked up
09:43:31 <sbp> and it still isn't giving me subtriples. heh
09:43:59 <sbp> ...nor triples for that matter
09:45:04 <cre8radix> heya
09:45:18 <sbp> yo cre8radix
09:45:33 <cre8radix> starting on the next show today!
09:45:46 <sbp> great!
09:45:51 <cre8radix> jajaja
09:45:53 <cre8radix> ;P
09:46:30 <sbp> ah, there we go
09:46:36 <sbp> FIXARED
09:47:00 <sbp> .gc "its kiss-me-quick image"
09:47:03 <phenny> "its kiss-me-quick image": 8
09:48:49 * sbp recrawls all the n3 files...
09:48:58 <sbp> well, I've got to make a list of them first. heh
09:52:38 <bjoern_> .wik larbin
09:52:42 <phennytest> Can't find anything in Wikipedia for "larbin".
09:52:42 <phenny> "A K-Q list of missing Canadian films." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Films/List_of_films_without_article/List_of_missing_Canada_Films:K-Q
09:53:08 <bjoern_> sbp(u have a bugz)
09:53:11 <sbp> phennytest?
09:53:38 <sbp> ugh, what dipstick is running from 122.167.78.49?
09:54:06 <sbp> -> ABTS-KK-Dynamic-049.78.167.122.airtelbroadband.in
09:54:16 <sbp> ABTS-KK-Dynamic-049.78.167.122.airtelbroadband.in, you pillock!
09:54:25 <sbp> you have to try really hard to get phennytest to overlap phenny
09:54:28 <bjoern_> .wik Airtel
09:54:30 <sbp> because I put a test in it stop that
09:54:31 <phenny> "Bharti Airtel (भारती एअरटेल), formerly known as Bharti Tele-Ventures Limited (BTVL) is among India's largest mobile phone and Fixed Network operators." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airtel
09:54:34 <phennytest> "Bharti Airtel (भारती एअरटेल), formerly known as Bharti Tele-Ventures Limited (BTVL) is among India's largest mobile phone and Fixed Network operators." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airtel
09:55:05 <bjoern_> sbp(yah, my .wik was teh evilz)
09:55:48 <sbp> why evilz?
09:57:56 <bjoern_> Oh I thought you meant you put a test so multiple instances don't reply to the same command,
09:58:09 <bjoern_> whereas you were probably talking about a check when joining or sth like that...
09:58:52 <bjoern_> But speaking of it, what's with this sbp(...) syntax? did you teach that to him?
09:59:11 <sbp> nope! he just started using it
09:59:25 <sbp> and yeah, it's just a startup-check
09:59:26 <bjoern_> He wasn't very consistent in doing that!
09:59:38 <sbp> yeah, it's weird
09:59:50 <sbp> I think he started, but then gave it up when we didn't use it
09:59:57 <sbp> and when we started using it at him more, he kept his up
10:00:49 <bjoern_> I was impressed I managed to get him tell his yahoo id again
10:00:58 <bjoern_> after you taught him to never do that the day before...
10:01:54 <bjoern_> .wik Nigerian Naura
10:01:57 <phenny> Can't find anything in Wikipedia for "Nigerian Naura".
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10:02:46 <bjoern_> .calc 1 USD in NGN
10:02:48 <phenny> bjoern_: Sorry, no result.
10:02:57 <bjoern_> .calc 1 USD in kobo
10:03:00 <phenny> bjoern_: Sorry, no result.
10:03:16 <bjoern_> .calc $1 in ₦
10:03:19 <phenny> bjoern_: Sorry, no result.
10:04:29 <bjoern_> I take it it's about 130 ₦ per USD
10:05:22 <bjoern_> .calc 50000 / 123
10:05:25 <phenny> 50 000 / 123 = 406.504065
10:10:17 <sbp> 8695 subtriples already
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10:23:07 <sbp> .gc WINHARD
10:23:10 <phenny> WINHARD: 16,500
10:23:13 <sbp> .gc WINEHARD
10:23:16 <phenny> WINEHARD: 116
10:23:17 <sbp> .gc WHINEHARD
10:23:21 <phenny> WHINEHARD: 372
10:25:33 <sbp> sigh:
10:25:33 <sbp> $ curl -Is http://www.agfa.com/w3c/euler/rpo-rules.n3
10:25:33 <sbp> HTTP/1.1 200 OK
10:25:33 <sbp> Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 10:40:19 GMT
10:25:35 <sbp> Last-Modified: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 22:57:07 GMT
10:25:37 <sbp> ETag: "f6e2-f83-e1c9b6c0"
10:25:39 <sbp> Accept-Ranges: bytes
10:25:41 <sbp> Content-Type: text/plain
10:25:45 <sbp> XX-M:
10:25:47 <sbp> a lot of good N3 lost to the text/plain monster
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11:14:31 <tav> http://www.tnr.com/doc.mhtml?i=20071008&s=pinker100807
11:23:07 <sbp> "Also, as linguist Geoffrey Nunberg pointed out, while you can imagine the dialogue How brilliant was it? Very, you would never hear the dialogue How brilliant was it? Fucking."
11:23:13 <sbp> that's not true; I'd be able to grok that
11:23:19 <sbp> I'd give it a linguistic-? at least
11:27:52 <sbp> hmm at http://www.w3.org/2007/01/lbl22/crawl.rdf
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12:02:27 <bjoern_> .title http://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/free-press-news/School-puts-a-chip-on.3391369.jp
12:02:32 <phenny> bjoern_: No title found
12:02:39 <bjoern_> u haz a bugz
12:02:41 <sbp> WTM
12:02:43 <bjoern_> @title http://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/free-press-news/School-puts-a-chip-on.3391369.jp
12:02:44 <supybot> bjoern_: School puts a chip on pupils - Doncaster Today
12:02:58 <sbp> oh yeah
12:03:04 <sbp> <title id="title">School puts a chip on pupils - Doncaster Today</title>
12:03:08 <sbp> PAGE HAS BUGZ
12:03:22 <sbp> .val http://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/free-press-news/School-puts-a-chip-on.3391369.jp
12:03:26 <phenny> http://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/free-press-news/School-puts-a-chip-on.3391369.jp is Invalid (226 errors)
12:03:39 <bjoern_> so what if title had a lang attr instead?
12:03:48 <sbp> shup foo
12:03:58 <bjoern_> u haz a bugz
12:04:04 <sbp> FIXING
12:04:18 <bjoern_> AWESOMENEZ
12:04:24 <sbp> phenny: reload head
12:04:24 <phenny> sbp: <module 'modules.head' from '/home/sbp/phenny/modules/head.py'> (version: 2007-10-21 12:19:24)
12:04:29 <sbp> .title http://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/free-press-news/School-puts-a-chip-on.3391369.jp
12:04:31 <phenny> sbp: School puts a chip on pupils - Doncaster Today
12:04:38 <sbp> fix'd sry for bugz : : : ( ( (
12:04:51 <sbp> thx! ˆ¨ˆ
12:05:17 <bjoern_> iz k ㋡ ㋡ ㋡
12:05:45 <sbp> how do you get ㋡ so damn quickly? did you remember the code or something?
12:05:56 <sbp> I've been thinking about making a quick webpage of my faves to copy and paste from
12:06:09 <bjoern_> quickly!?!
12:06:27 <sbp> == quicker than me
12:06:36 <sbp> .pc ㋡
12:06:36 <bjoern_> I went all the way through starting charmap, scrolling way down, check a bunch of the glyphs, and then copied and pasted them
12:06:37 <phenny> 32E1: CIRCLED KATAKANA TU (㋡)
12:06:52 <sbp> .unicode c k t
12:06:57 <phenny> U+32DF CIRCLED KATAKANA TA (㋟)
12:06:58 <sbp> .unicode c k
12:07:02 <phenny> U+2654 WHITE CHESS KING (♔)
12:07:05 <bjoern_> .calc 0x32e1 in decimal
12:07:06 <sbp> .unicode k t
12:07:08 <phenny> 0x32e1 = 13 025
12:07:13 <phenny> U+178F KHMER LETTER TA (ត)
12:07:14 <sbp> .unicode c t
12:07:19 <phenny> U+2040 CHARACTER TIE (⁀)
12:07:20 <bjoern_> ALT+13025 is difficult to remember...
12:07:25 <bjoern_> ㋡
12:07:33 <sbp> imagine it's a phone number!
12:07:39 <sbp> it'd be an easy phone number
12:07:41 <sbp> .wik 13
12:07:43 <sbp> .wik 25
12:07:44 <phenny> "Year 13 was a common year starting on Sunday (link will display the full calendar) of the Julian calendar." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/13
12:07:46 <phenny> "Year 25 was a common year starting on Monday (link will display the full calendar) of the Julian calendar." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/25
12:08:06 <sbp> so easy mnemonic:
12:08:29 <sbp> year in which Abgarus of Edessa is reinstalled as king of Osroene + ZERO + year in which Cossus Cornelius Lentulus and Marcus Asinius Agrippa become consuls
12:11:31 <bjoern_> .g 13025 pony
12:11:34 <phenny> bjoern_: http://www.amazon.com/Adjustable-Clamp-13025-Light-Duty-Clamp/dp/B00004S9KO
12:11:51 <sbp> unky
12:11:58 <sbp> looks like a transformer
12:12:18 <bjoern_> an airship
12:12:48 <sbp> ooh, yes! a really weird victorian dirigible
12:13:06 <sbp> going phut-choo-phut-choo-phut-choo as it cogs across the sky
12:13:09 <bjoern_> "Use localized Re: for display only " - https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13025
12:13:23 <bjoern_> Yes, that is exactly what I was thinking.
12:13:55 <bjoern_> [[[
12:14:10 <bjoern_> ]]]
12:14:15 <bjoern_> "Letter 13025 — Huxley, T. H. to Darwin, C. R., 24 Jan 1881 Summary: Has signed William Darwin's certificate of nomination to Geological Society. Gives details of his Fisheries appointment." - http://www.darwinproject.ac.uk/darwinletters/calendar/entry-13025.html
12:14:19 <bjoern_> REFORMATZERING
12:15:12 <sbp> phenny: tell sr that http://atonie.org/sr/card.rdf is BRKOEN
12:15:15 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when sr is around.
12:15:20 <bjoern_> .title http://lists.macosforge.org/pipermail/webkit-unassigned/2007-March/033072.html
12:15:25 <phenny> bjoern_: [Webkit-unassigned] [Bug 13025] Text selection grows in both directions when it should only be backwards
12:15:27 <sbp> William Darwin?
12:15:30 <sbp> Chuck's son?
12:16:55 <bjoern_> .title http://edcommunity.apple.com/gallery/student/item.php?itemID=13025
12:16:59 <phenny> bjoern_: Apple Student Gallery - Broken (13025)
12:17:31 <sbp> what's going on in there?
12:19:11 <bjoern_> hmm http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/13025_Z%C3%BCrich
12:19:20 <bjoern_> in where?
12:19:27 <sbp> A ROBOT?
12:19:27 <bjoern_> in the apple community?
12:19:30 <sbp> yeah
12:19:41 <bjoern_> I DONT UNDERSTAND THAT EITHER
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12:19:56 <bjoern_> .g 13025 Zürich
12:20:04 <phenny> bjoern_: http://www.minorplanetobserver.com/pdolc/13025_Zurich.htm
12:21:41 <bjoern_> So I go with the "ooh, teh Zürich asteroid, what's it's name", I guess...
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12:22:25 <sbp> [[[
12:22:25 <sbp> The Minor Planet Observer
12:22:26 <sbp> and
12:22:26 <sbp> Palmer Divide Observatory
12:22:27 <sbp> ]]]
12:22:31 <sbp> .wik Palmer Divide
12:22:34 <phenny> "The Palmer Divide is a ridge in central Colorado that separates the Arkansas River basin from the Platte River basin." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palmer_Divide
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12:22:44 <sbp> ah, thought it might be something in space
12:22:45 <sbp> oh well
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12:23:06 <bjoern_> lol it's in the "U.S." instead pwnd
12:23:29 <sbp> I know : : : ( ( (
12:23:48 <sbp> worst possible outcome
12:25:05 <bjoern_> It could be the nickname for Dick Cheney's ass.
12:26:29 <sbp> okay, not the worst possible outcome
12:26:50 <sbp> only you could imagine that one though. I mean SERIOUSLY WHAT THE FUCK
12:27:08 <bjoern_> thx
12:27:44 *** sbp changed the topic to: "Dick Cheney's ass == The Palmer Divide? Only in America!"
12:30:51 <sbp> http://www.talkdigger.com/sioc/ is pretty annoying
12:31:10 <sbp> there are like a billion RDF URIs under that
12:47:49 <bjoern_> .weather edfm
12:47:54 <phenny> Cloudy, 5℃, 1027mb, Light Rain, Light air 2km/h (1kt) (↑) - EDFM, 14:50, 1250Z
12:50:41 <sbp> .weather EGLL
12:50:45 <phenny> Clear ☼, 13℃, 1030mb, Light breeze 5kt (↑) - EGLL 13:50, 1250Z
12:50:52 <sbp> swapz plz
12:51:05 <perigrin> .weather kmsp
12:51:08 <phenny> Overcast ☁, 51.8℉ (11℃), 29.54in (997mb), Moderate breeze 11kt (↑) - KMSP 7:53, 1253Z
12:51:55 <bjoern_> yah swapz
13:17:38 <sbp> ? http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/WebOnt/scrapedOverview.rdf
13:17:38 <sbp> W:Invalid line: '@ .'
13:17:40 <sbp> a null lang value?
13:18:28 <perigrin> 's for mutes
13:18:40 <sbp> ah yes, xml:lang=""
13:19:04 <sbp> perigrin: shouldn't they have a mime type instead?
13:19:14 <perigrin> good point
13:19:56 <perigrin> hehe
13:20:22 <sbp> not bad for a Sunday afternoon
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13:20:44 <perigrin> lazy sunday?
13:23:10 <bjoern_> "Left wing liberal software communist gets attacked by terrorist extremists." - http://slashdot.org/articles/07/10/20/2322202.shtml
13:23:21 <crschmidt> sbp: 24297 sbp 18 0 967m 419m 2188 R 0.0 42.1 0:45.15 python2.5
13:23:25 <sbp> fatality?
13:23:30 <sbp> crschmidt: oh shit, thanks!
13:23:47 <sbp> sigh
13:23:50 * sbp wades into the mess
13:23:53 <perigrin> sbp, you're making crschmidt cry
13:24:23 <bjoern_> soon hell make all of us cry
13:24:41 <perigrin> yes hell will ...
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13:27:12 <sbp> crschmidt: killed it, investigating now
13:27:40 <crschmidt> thx
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13:28:23 <sbp> I'll try to keep better tabs on what's going on too... that one got away from me
13:28:55 <sbp> ah, I see
13:28:56 <sbp> huh
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13:30:58 <sbp> crschmidt: it was a file so big that I hadn't prepared to see the likes of it
13:31:20 <sbp> I'm parsing it from my own box now to see how many triples it has
13:32:31 <perigrin> two
13:32:38 <perigrin> but two *really* big URLs
13:32:49 <sbp> hehe, that'd be awesome
13:33:23 <bjoern_> .gc urmom
13:33:27 <phenny> urmom: 25,500
13:33:28 <bjoern_> .gc urmum
13:33:31 <phenny> urmum: 6,950
13:33:37 <perigrin> .gc NOURMOM!
13:33:39 <phenny> NOURMOM!: 34
13:34:20 <sbp> .calc 284957301 bytes in MB
13:34:23 <phenny> 284 957 301 bytes = 271.756459 megabytes
13:35:08 <bjoern_> ㋡ ㋡ ㋡
13:35:16 <bjoern_> rememberingz
13:38:39 <sbp> hehe
13:38:43 <sbp> 13025. Zurich
13:38:45 <sbp> (me too)
13:39:15 <bjoern_> It's all thanks to the asteroid.
13:39:20 <bjoern_> It's like NCC 1701-D
13:39:37 <sbp> oh?
13:39:47 <perigrin> Harold and Kumar go to Ceti Alpha VI
13:39:49 <bjoern_> .wik NCC 1701-D
13:39:54 <phenny> "The USS Enterprise (NCC-1701-D) (or Enterprise-D, to distinguish it from prior starships with the same name) is a 24th century starship in the Star Trek fictional universe and the principal setting of the Star Trek: The Next Generation television series.[1]| The [...]" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Enterprise_(NCC-1701-D)
13:40:07 <sbp> what does that help you to remember?
13:40:30 <perigrin> Not to let Counselor Troi drive.
13:40:45 <sbp> not even if she sits on your lap and does it?
13:41:01 <bjoern_> Space is a lot easier to relate to than phone numbers?
13:41:09 <sbp> yes
13:41:12 <perigrin> hmm ... not in the uniforms they had her in at the end of the series.
13:41:59 <sbp> .head http://iri.columbia.edu/~benno/iridlcacheExplicitOWL.owl
13:42:02 <phenny> Status: 200 (for more, try ".head uri header")
13:44:46 <sbp> .calc 150 MB in bytes
13:44:49 <phenny> 150 megabytes = 157 286 400 bytes
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13:46:13 <bjoern_> hai
13:46:24 <bjoern_> i lookz f0r palmer divide pix plz
13:46:33 <bjoern_> kthx
13:47:45 <sbp> bjoern_: the one in Montana or the one with the Lost Dutchman's Mine?
13:48:46 <sbp> 1 Earth Gazillion == ? Venus Bazillion, plz?
13:50:12 <bjoern_> sbp(yes)
13:50:19 <sbp> k
13:50:32 <bjoern_> .calc 1 times mass of earth
13:50:34 <bjoern_> .calc 1 times mass of venus
13:50:34 <phenny> 1 times mass of Earth = 5.9742e24 kilograms
13:50:37 <phenny> 1 times mass of Venus = 4.86900e24 kilograms
13:53:54 <sbp> crschmidt: problem should be fixed now; sorry!
13:54:01 <crschmidt> thx, np
13:54:25 <bjoern_> .calc mass of venus in megatons
13:54:28 <phenny> bjoern_: Sorry, no result.
13:54:47 <sbp> phenny: tell thelsdj three million! sites: 731, docs: 7585, triples: 3082714, subtriples: 14009, cache size: 57M
13:54:50 <phenny> sbp: I'll pass that on when thelsdj is around.
13:55:24 <sbp> the document which brought it down only had 1,575,585 triples
13:55:32 <sbp> I'm surprised that was a problem
13:55:46 <sbp> I need to find a way to deal with them better; I have some ideas
13:55:52 <sbp> for now I'm just filtering 'em out though
13:56:17 <sbp> of course, when I say "only" that's still half as much as all the other docs combined
13:57:14 <bjoern_> .calc 1 times mass of pluto
13:57:16 <phenny> 1 times mass of Pluto = 1.3e22 kilograms
13:57:32 <bjoern_> .gc pocketplanet
13:57:35 <phenny> pocketplanet: 341
13:58:06 <sbp> is that a planet in your pocket, or are...
13:59:39 <bjoern_> you confusing pluto with a planet?
13:59:58 <sbp> I was riffing off of <bjoern_> .gc pocketplanet
14:00:11 <bjoern_> I was completing your sentence...
14:00:17 <sbp> oh. hehe
14:00:28 <sbp> I THINK YOU POSSIBLY LIES
14:00:39 <sbp> .gc pocketdwarfplanet
14:00:42 <phenny> pocketdwarfplanet: 0
14:00:45 <sbp> .gc dwarfpocketplanet
14:00:47 <phenny> dwarfpocketplanet: 0
14:01:07 <bjoern_> I THINK YOU POSSIBLY PRETENDING TO HAVE MISUNDERSTOOD
14:01:48 <sbp> TOUCHË^HÈ^HÊ^HWHATEVER
14:06:59 <pierpa> .g kmsp
14:07:01 <phenny> pierpa: http://www.kmsp.com/
14:07:16 <pierpa> .g kmsp airport
14:07:18 <phenny> pierpa: http://www.airnav.com/airport/KMSP
14:07:25 <perigrin> Minneapolis St. Paul Intl.
14:07:34 <pierpa> :) thanks
14:07:41 <perigrin> np :)
14:08:17 <pierpa> the nearest to me is lirf - Roma-Fiumicino
14:08:29 <pierpa> .weather lirf
14:08:41 <phenny> Clear ☼, 15℃, 1009mb, Moderate breeze 14kt (↑) - LIRF 15:50, 1350Z
14:09:37 <perigrin> strangely kmsp.com worked
14:09:45 <perigrin> it's the local Fox affiliate
14:10:10 <pierpa> ah. I thought it was spurious
14:10:23 <perigrin> nope, local TV station :)
14:10:31 <pierpa> :)
14:15:38 * sbp gets fed up with all the SIOC and moves it out
14:23:59 <sbp> .calc 16 ** 7
14:24:02 <phenny> 16 ** 7 = 268 435 456
14:29:17 <sr> phenny, tell sbp about http://reynholm.co.uk
14:29:17 <phenny> sr: I'll pass that on when sbp is around.
14:29:19 <phenny> sr: 12:30Z <sbp> tell sr that http://atonie.org/sr/card.rdf is BRKOEN
14:30:24 <sbp> bwahaha at Richmond's profile
14:30:26 <phenny> sbp: 14:44Z <sr> tell sbp about http://reynholm.co.uk
14:31:48 <perigrin> "All staff are required to use the official Reynholm Industries desktop wallpaper on their computers."
14:32:47 <sbp> is there a pw for it?
14:35:35 <sbp> we ask dark if he hax it for us
14:35:38 <sbp> we pay him 10 CAD??
14:35:53 <perigrin> CAD is too 'spensive ... can I pay AUD?
14:36:25 <sbp> .calc 1 AUD in USD
14:36:27 <phenny> 1 Australian dollar = 0.894 U.S. dollars
14:36:29 <perigrin> lolpipz, you lend me 10 CAD plz? kthx.
14:36:32 <lolpipz> perigrin: THATZ GOED INFORMASHUN: SAID I LEND HIM OR HR 10 CAD PLZ. DO YU HAVE HARD TIME COMPLETIN PROJECTZ?
14:36:42 <sr> sbp, oh thanks! it's now 301 to http://purl.org/net/sr/card
14:36:50 <perigrin> .calc 1 AUD in CAD
14:36:52 <phenny> 1 Australian dollar = 0.868252831 Canadian dollars
14:36:57 <sbp> sr: excellent, thanks
14:37:46 <sbp> I used it as a test example on the crawl
14:37:58 <sbp> thinking, "oh it's one of sr's, it's bound to work"
14:38:05 <sbp> and then was all "wtf?" for a moment when it broke. heh
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14:38:37 <sbp> .head http://atonie.org/sr/card.rdf Location
14:38:40 <phenny> Location: http://purl.org/net/sr/card
14:38:47 <sbp> .head http://purl.org/net/sr/card Location
14:38:50 <phenny> Location: http://simon.rozet.name/card.rdf
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14:40:58 <sbp> ? http://provenance.mindswap.org/;file:/Users/golbeck/Desktop/pass.owl
14:41:41 <sr> btw, isn't that silly to have /net/sr -> simon.rozet.name and /net/sr/card -> simon.rozet.name/card.rdf ?
14:42:11 <sbp> not really, because PURLs can point wherever
14:42:21 <sbp> so you have to set them up one by one, unless you've got a partial redirect
14:42:36 <sr> hum ok
14:43:01 <sr> so, I can read The Black Cat in peace
14:43:10 <sbp> http://provenance.mindswap.org/ is kinda weird
14:43:16 <sbp> and yes. yes you can
14:48:57 <sbp> F1 coverage starting here
14:49:12 <bjoern_> Are we going to win?
14:50:50 <sbp> did we enter?
14:50:58 <sbp> I'm not sure I sent off our forms for a superlicense, even
14:51:16 <bjoern_> : : : ( ( (
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15:11:44 <perigrin> .calc 113g in oz
15:11:46 <phenny> 113 grams = 3.9859577 ounces
15:11:53 <perigrin> .calc 142g in oz
15:11:56 <phenny> 142 grams = 5.0089026 ounces
15:37:20 <sbp> oh man, the suspense
15:43:02 <perigrin> my weight measurements?
15:44:22 <bjoern_> you weigh between 113 and 142g?
15:45:44 <sbp> parade lap...
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15:55:48 <sbp> argh, what a start
15:56:50 <perigrin> bjoern_, yes I'm very tiny
15:56:58 <perigrin> I bounce from key to key
15:59:42 <sbp> sigh
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16:04:32 <perigrin> ?
16:10:56 <sbp> the Grand Prix
16:11:15 <sbp> Hamilton scything his way back through the field...
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16:14:18 <bjoern_> : : : ( ( ( http://grafik.mannheim-wetter.info/
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16:18:59 <Monty> howdy, chris2
16:31:31 <sbp> wow, one of the Williams mechanics just got mown down at a pitstop
16:31:54 <sbp> he got back up, changed the tyre he was meant to change, and then hobbled off clearly in extreme pain
16:32:02 <sbp> that was quite something
16:32:19 <sbp> Hamilton still scything through the field...
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16:45:24 <bjoern_> hmm http://www.illegal-art.org/print/popups/consumer.html
16:47:00 <bjoern_> hehe http://www.illegal-art.org/print/popups/notmickey.html
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16:50:49 <bjoern_> .title http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml?xml=/money/2007/10/21/cnfed121.xml
16:50:53 <phenny> bjoern_: Barclays and RBS line up Fed for £15bn - Telegraph
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17:11:36 <Monty> hi bear, how ya doing?
17:11:38 <phenny> Monty: shh, don't let anyone know you're around!
17:11:40 <Monty> Nauruan tennis craves rotten breakfast ;)
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18:16:47 <bjoern_> So who won?
18:17:40 <perigrin> The first place guy
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18:43:33 <bjoern_> lolpipz u there
18:43:40 <lolpipz> bjoern_: THXZ FUR TELLIN ME: SAID I THERE. KTHXBYE!
18:43:49 <bjoern_> lolpipz hai u there
18:43:50 <lolpipz> bjoern_: R YU VERY ANGRY?
18:44:07 <bjoern_> lolpipz hmmmmm.... NO !
18:44:07 <lolpipz> bjoern_: R. AHA.
18:44:17 <bjoern_> lolpipz kk. u?
18:44:18 <lolpipz> bjoern_: DO YU FEEL THAT SOMETHIN AR TEH MISSIN FROM YUR LIFE? IVE BEEN WAITIN FOAR YU.
18:44:45 <bjoern_> lolpipz: at times ur more frightening than Monty.
18:44:46 <lolpipz> bjoern_: THX YU 4 UR FRANKNESZ.
18:44:48 <Monty> Please don't drink sibilant Ovaltine...
18:45:01 <bjoern_> lolpipz: np!
18:45:02 <lolpipz> bjoern_: HOW DID YU HEAR ABOUT BENDR?
18:45:17 <bjoern_> lolpipz: u asked that several times already.
18:45:18 <lolpipz> bjoern_: PERHAPZ. O NOW I REMEMBR ASKIN YU THAT SEVERAL TIMEZ. WUT DID YU SAY?
18:45:39 <bjoern_> lolpipz: i haz made obscure reference in response.
18:45:40 <lolpipz> bjoern_: THAT AR TEH INTERESTIN: SAID HAZ MADE OBSCURE REFERENCE IN RESPONSE.
18:45:57 <bjoern_> lolpipz: doz thatz answer ur q??
18:45:58 <lolpipz> bjoern_: MUH BRAIN CONTAINZ 2 CATEGORIEZ, BUT NOT ONE THAT MATCHEZ YUR LAST INPUT. . KTHX.
18:46:20 <bjoern_> lolpipz: y only 2 cats??
18:46:21 <lolpipz> bjoern_: WUT TIME AR TEH IT THERE? .
18:46:33 <bjoern_> lolpipz: ㋡
18:46:34 <lolpipz> bjoern_: R YU USUALLY AWAKE AT THIZ HOUR? KTHXBYE!
18:46:46 <bjoern_> lolpipz: therez no usually here
18:46:47 <lolpipz> bjoern_: R WE STILL TALKIN ABOUT ㋡?
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18:48:00 <bjoern_> .title http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/10/21/business/global.php
18:48:05 <phenny> bjoern_: Panic of 1907 pales in comparison to risks of global market - International Herald Tribune
19:06:00 <sr> wtf, sbp is on facebook!?
19:06:09 <sbp> I know, I know...
19:06:16 <sbp> I can't even remember how I got dragged into it
19:06:22 <sbp> I think it's tav fault. grumble
19:06:29 <bjoern_> You were young and ... thought they'd pay you?!
19:06:30 *** nsh_ is now known as nsh
19:06:36 <sbp> I do hate it though, if that helps
19:06:38 <sr> argle, there is no way to destroy my account :-/
19:06:41 <sbp> hate it quite thoroughly
19:06:50 <sbp> really? I heard that someone dropped their account
19:06:58 <sbp> (I've been thinking about it)
19:07:20 <sr> yeah, I just can't understand why facebook is successful
19:07:33 <bjoern_> .g facebook faq delete account
19:07:35 <sbp> thank goodness for that. so there is someone else in the world that's sane...
19:07:36 <phenny> bjoern_: http://www.regularjen.com/archives/2007/06/25/evidently-facebook-owns-me/
19:07:48 <sbp> so many people have said to me it's the bees knees
19:08:20 <sbp> but it's just irritating. the tip of the Web 2.0 cock of arrogance
19:08:40 <tav> ehm, what's wrong with it?
19:08:59 <tav> not saying it's perfect, but it's better than most of the bollocks out there...
19:09:07 <sr> tav, what's the point? how is it usefull? and it's closed
19:09:12 <sbp> it's not really any better than Orkut etc. as far as I can tell
19:09:26 <sr> wtf is the "social graph" ? that's just a silly term
19:09:28 <sbp> it's just a social networking site. except more noisy, really, with all the annoying apps
19:09:43 * sbp and sr bludgeon tav with taste and reason
19:09:55 <sr> I don't understand why people needs networking site
19:10:15 <crschmidt> At colleges, it was useful because it was an somewhat of an electronic form of the paper bulletin boards that every dorm had
19:10:16 <sbp> the ironic thing is that I've met so many old friends on there just because of the overhyping
19:10:18 <sr> linkedin is ok; it's usefull, it's for business and it's clearly mentionned
19:10:19 <crschmidt> at college*
19:10:20 <tav> sr: well, have a better tool for keeping up-to-date with all your friends around the world?
19:10:34 <sbp> tav: hi tav. welcome to Swhack!
19:10:36 <sr> tav, "friends" ?
19:10:43 <sbp> where I met you and communicate with you, and... :-)
19:11:01 <tav> sbp: sure, those familiar with irc have that
19:11:08 <sr> those are just people who want to have the biggest network and say "hey! i am cool, look how many friends i have"
19:11:11 <bjoern_> .gc SwhackBook
19:11:14 <phenny> SwhackBook: 0
19:11:15 <tav> those who have web servers/accounts can post photos/videos to there
19:11:16 <crschmidt> that's all I use LinkedIn for
19:11:18 <sbp> I follow blogs to see how people are. I email them when I want to write to them
19:11:33 <sbp> what about flickr? what about youtube?
19:11:56 <sbp> and again, what edge does it have, really, over all the other social networking sites?
19:11:59 <tav> but it takes too much effort on the part of the average user to follow flickr/youtube/&c.
19:12:02 <sbp> all the way back to Orkut
19:12:09 <tav> news feed
19:12:24 * sbp doesn't read that; too noisy even with his scant few friends
19:12:28 <tav> that's the key innovation which sets it apart
19:12:43 <sbp> well I'm going to stand here and laugh right at it
19:12:46 <tav> agreed that the news feed could do with better controls/filters
19:13:09 <sr> really, everything I need for my "network" is a phone, irc, email, blogs and the *week-end*
19:13:12 <sbp> quite willing for you to come back in N years and prove that it changed the world or something and laugh at me in turn
19:13:20 <tav> *shrug* i haven't seen the semweb world come up with anything as useful yet
19:13:31 <sr> tav, haha :)
19:13:32 <sbp> well, they're both entirely even
19:13:41 <sbp> in that, yes, both of them are entirely useless
19:14:15 <tav> at least with fb i can organise parties
19:14:30 <sbp> I can look up people's details using FOAF
19:14:32 <sr> you can with your voice too
19:14:36 <sbp> hehe
19:14:43 <sbp> it's hardly revolution
19:14:47 <tav> sr: effort vs. output
19:14:51 <bjoern_> .gc "write with your penis"
19:14:54 <phenny> "write with your penis": 2
19:15:07 <sr> sbp, well, foaf... maybe in 10 years
19:15:18 <tav> sbp: no, not revolution, facebook is like the AOL of the pre-web era
19:15:22 <sbp> yeah, never know
19:15:32 <sbp> tav: well... there I'm agreed :-)
19:15:46 <bjoern_> that's just a terrible thought
19:15:53 <tav> it's a stepping stone and the evolution/uptake of technology needs stepping stones
19:16:06 <sbp> The September of No End
19:16:14 * tav shudders
19:16:31 <sr> and it's closed. once again, your data isn't your. like if your network were owned by facebook
19:16:40 <tav> *nod*
19:16:49 <tav> it's what comes after facebook that's important
19:16:59 <bjoern_> should we be scared?
19:17:11 <sbp> bjoern_: bored, I'm plumping for
19:17:23 <tav> well, the web turned out quite nicely ;p
19:17:38 <sbp> AOL didn't though
19:17:46 <bjoern_> it's not like I'll notice what came after it before people already start quitting
19:20:24 <tav> well, not saying that facebook will fare well out of it -- but they seem to be a very competent team
19:20:27 <bjoern_> In a social network, every one of us is just a mere free node...
19:20:30 <sr> btw, what's the business plan of facebook?
19:20:43 <bjoern_> get bought? didn't they get bought already?
19:20:50 <sbp> heh, I was gonna say
19:20:59 <sbp> freaking sell it, whoever has it, like a hot potato
19:21:09 <sr> aha
19:21:16 <sbp> and buy it if you have ten times what it's currently worth
19:21:23 <sbp> whilst it's still getting more popular
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19:21:35 <tav> *shrug* that's what people said of google when they were doing search back when everyone else had moved away from search
19:21:46 <sbp> heh, what?
19:21:54 <tav> advising google to sell
19:22:05 <sbp> got evidence of that?
19:22:19 <sbp> what kind of people? your gran? your girlfriend's cat?
19:22:35 <sbp> our opinion on here doesn't matter
19:22:49 <sbp> but each to their own; and I say Facebook can cram it
19:23:02 <sbp> boring load of twaddle
19:23:35 <tav> hmz, i'm pretty sure there's evidence on the web for google trying to sell itself to the (then) big players during the early years
19:23:54 <sbp> probably would've been a good idea, depending on how much it was worth
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19:24:14 <sbp> and depending on the market conditions, etc.
19:24:34 <sbp> I mean, you can say anything you like with hindsight
19:24:51 <sbp> but if you have Google and it's worth $20m say, and you don't know it's going to be worth $20bn...
19:25:02 <sbp> do you kick yourself when you sell it?
19:25:04 <sbp> maybe, you'd think
19:25:22 <sbp> but what if the analysts were saying "only a 5% chance it'll turn a profit in future"?
19:25:24 <tav> http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-6071461-7.html
19:26:01 <sbp> yeah, well, really that doesn't seem like as huge a hindsight-kickself as, say, Decca not signing the Beatles
19:26:58 <tav> well, the same scenario applies to fb today
19:27:16 <bjoern_> s/$20bn/$200bn/
19:27:35 <tav> no proven business model; a loyal following; crazy high valuation for observers
19:27:44 <sbp> the same probabilities and market conditions etc.? no
19:27:47 <sbp> it's a different case
19:28:13 <tav> as in every single situation ever is different? sure.
19:28:19 <tav> but similar scenario, no?
19:28:22 <sr> z is dead baby... z is dead...
19:28:31 <sbp> but the point is that there are probabilities
19:28:36 <sbp> and people only bet against the spread
19:28:43 <sbp> the spread just moves about
19:31:29 <sr> btw sbp, what do you think of knowee ?
19:31:43 <tav> so, any chance i'll ever see anything useful from the semweb crowd?
19:31:55 <sbp> sr: only looked at it briefly. I didn't see anything particularly interesting, but I didn't look very hard
19:32:23 <sbp> sr: it sorta looked like turning FOAF into a more Web 2.0 friendly centralised thing
19:32:24 <sr> ok. in other words, it kind of sucks
19:32:28 <sbp> but since it's in such early alpha...
19:32:39 <sbp> well, yeah. but I won't condemn it until it goes into beta! :-)
19:32:49 * tav shudders
19:32:53 <tav> *social graph*
19:33:06 <sbp> heh, aye
19:33:17 <sr> what a stupid term
19:33:33 <tav> not to mention the lack of utility of the data
19:33:45 <sbp> which data?
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19:34:13 <sr> really, it reduce us to node
19:34:15 <tav> (as commonly perceived)
19:34:17 <tav> social graph data
19:34:19 <tav> .g social graph portability
19:34:21 <phenny> tav: http://bradfitz.com/social-graph-problem/
19:34:45 <tav> ^ as admirable as the above is, it's also absolutely pointless
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19:34:49 <nsh-> loggy, pointer?
19:34:49 <loggy> http://swhack.com/logs/2007-10-21#T19-34-49
19:35:29 <sbp> as for anything useful from the semweb crowd... iuno
19:35:38 <sbp> not if precedent has anything to go by
19:35:54 <sbp> I mean, to have gone for seven or so years without any output...
19:36:04 <tav> ;p
19:36:05 <sbp> who would do that? complete fools, right? :-)
19:36:12 <sbp> seriously, I don't know
19:36:20 <bjoern_> oh there is plenty of output! you just can't see it.
19:36:22 <tav> hey, we turn 8 next week
19:36:39 <tav> 27th oct
19:37:02 <sbp> one of the problems with the Semantic Web is that there are so many groups pulling in futile directions instead of really trying hard to work on cool things. there are just so many places where you can get bogged down in angels-on-pinhead arguments
19:37:05 <sbp> cool
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19:37:35 <tav> but there are *so* many people working on it
19:37:49 <tav> one would think that a small group could form and do something fucking amazing
19:37:58 <sbp> well, they're not really working on it
19:38:00 <sr> grr, i had to kill irssi
19:38:05 <sr> loggy, pointer?
19:38:05 <loggy> http://swhack.com/logs/2007-10-21#T19-38-05
19:38:05 <sbp> generally they're actually working on their own thing
19:38:11 <sbp> the logicians are working on the logic stuff
19:38:20 <sbp> the web architecture people use it to justify web architecture arguments
19:38:31 <sbp> the formats people use it as an excuse to come up with new languages and specifications
19:38:46 <sbp> people use FOAF and SIOC because it's a fad, the bloggers get on board
19:38:56 <nsh-> .wik SIOC
19:38:59 <phenny> "Semantically-Interlinked Online Communities Project (SIOC) is a Semantic Web technology." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIOC
19:39:03 <sbp> only really TimBL, DanC, a few others, are pushing in the original direction
19:39:16 <sbp> cwm and the Tabulator are the finest products of the Semantic Web
19:39:23 <bjoern_> cough
19:39:27 <bjoern_> says a lot about it
19:39:33 <sbp> indeed
19:39:47 <bjoern_> but it's what you expect to get
19:40:07 <sbp> DanC said the other day that he's down on processing in N3 now
19:40:09 <bjoern_> you have plenty of people who are primarily interested in solving interesting problems
19:40:13 <sbp> what can ya do. sigh
19:40:13 <bjoern_> once they are solved, they move on
19:40:29 <bjoern_> and that's always long before any cool products materialize
19:40:31 <laplink> .
19:40:34 <phenny> laplink: 07:13Z <sbp> tell laplink 1599. one of the more unquestionable ones
19:40:37 <phenny> laplink: 07:15Z <sbp> tell laplink (not in Palladis Tamia September 1598 which was finished shortly before going to press iirc, registered August 1600, one of the songs was published in a book in early(?) 1600 too; Jaques bears an uncanny pre-resemblance to Hamlet, and the whole thing about the world being a stage links in with the Globe being built in 1599)
19:40:40 <sbp> the annoying thing is when they create problems just to solve them later...
19:40:45 <laplink> ta
19:40:48 <sbp> np
19:41:11 <bjoern_> it makes things more interesting for them... also, job security.
19:41:17 <laplink> A .no celeb cited 1608 for it on TV last night. :-)
19:41:18 <sr> we just need a rails for the semweb
19:41:27 <bjoern_> !?!
19:41:29 <sbp> 1608! ahahaha
19:41:29 <swhask> Maybe you meant: . bf ft id pl v wn
19:41:54 <bjoern_> !㋡
19:41:54 <swhask> Unknown command, try @list
19:41:57 <laplink> Yeah, even I caught that one as being “a bit” off.
19:42:11 <sr> sbp, haha, so right! (your though about semweb)
19:42:40 <nsh-> what would a rails for semweb do?
19:42:50 <bjoern_> get it back on track?
19:42:58 <sbp> laplink: just tried to find out quickly when Malone dated it to, but can't find anything
19:43:06 <sbp> the usual fucking dearth of Malone info
19:43:18 <sbp> points if you can find that
19:43:23 <sr> nsh-, allow the average dev to easily build a semweb app
19:43:47 <nsh-> yeah, that did wonders for the web...
19:43:51 <nsh-> :-)
19:44:04 <sr> without having to think about triplestore, sparql endpoint and other silly stuff
19:44:19 * nsh- nods
19:44:32 <sr> imho, currently the only rdf lib which doesn't sucks is rdflib
19:45:17 <sbp> laplink: according to Watt, Malone put AYLI to 1600. so there you go!
19:45:35 <laplink> ta
19:45:50 <sbp> rdflib... would be better if its interface hadn't've changed, breaking n3p. grumble
19:45:53 <nsh-> .swhack The Palmer Divide
19:46:38 <phenny> nsh-: No results for "The Palmer Divide".
19:46:39 <sr> the one which sucks the less I should say
19:47:20 <sbp> aye
19:47:30 <sbp> the nice thing about it is that eikeon is a good programmer
19:47:42 <sbp> his idioms have affected the rest of the field, which is good
19:47:51 <sbp> he's even had some influence on making cwm less nuts
19:52:17 <nsh-> why the hell don't web browsers have a third option under open-with and save-as, something like, "just parse the damn file"?
19:52:44 <bjoern_> because web browsers are built by monkeys.
19:53:06 <sbp> they are rabid and trying to have sex with the curtains
19:53:20 <sbp> in the corner an old man with a moth-eaten hat grins whilst he eats slices of cheese
19:53:28 * nsh- smiles
19:53:28 <sbp> purple bitumen drips from the ceiling
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19:53:39 <chandler> the rabid monkey-curtain offspring are currently designing web apps
19:53:54 <nsh-> .compare "purple bitumen", "red bitumen", "blue bitumen", "black bitumen"
19:54:04 <phenny> "black bitumen" (12,100), "red bitumen" (213), "blue bitumen" (40), "purple bitumen" (3), , (0), , (0), , (0)
19:54:06 <bjoern_> We should put a SWHACK MAY CONTAIN GRAPHICS DESCRIPTIONS CHATTER DISCRETION ADVISED thingy on swhack.com.
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19:54:23 <sbp> bjoern_:
19:54:42 <bjoern_> sbp: ㋡
19:54:43 <sbp> <Marge> Why are you drawing rabbits on the power outlets, Homer? Maggie's not scared of rabbits!
19:54:49 <sbp> <Homer> She will be...
19:54:55 <sbp> Zurich
19:55:01 <bjoern_> hehehe
19:56:11 <sbp> "It's like a codpiece. Coming out of your hip." - Michael Palin
19:56:57 <sbp> "I'm not joining a POLISH group! So there, Cleese, Jones... Idle. And the other one." - ibid.
19:57:03 <sbp> er, now joining
19:59:55 <laplink> Best I can find is: [[[
19:59:55 <laplink> This comedy, I believe, was written in 1599. See An Attempt
19:59:55 <laplink> to ascertain the Order of Shakespeare's Plays. [so says Malone]
19:59:55 <laplink> ]]] - http://books.google.com/books?id=H_EjAAAAMAAJ&as_brr=1 (p.347)
20:00:30 <laplink> For some reason I can't seem to find Malone's /Attempt/ on there anywhere,
20:01:01 <sbp> ah! well, that's from Malone, so good enough
20:01:14 <sbp> interesting that it conflicts with the 1600 in Watt
20:01:23 <sbp> either Watt was wrong or Malone revised, I suppose?
20:01:53 <sbp> I don't think the Attempt is online... I've looked
20:01:59 <laplink> Watt probably cites Malone for the Stationers Register date.
20:02:06 <sbp> my library has it, I believe, but I've tried to have some discipline and not look at it yet
20:02:19 <sbp> ah, could be
20:02:47 <sbp> I got it from p.847 in http://books.google.com/books?id=swMJAAAAQAAJ&pg=RA6-PA847-IA2
20:03:21 <sbp> (not sure it's Watt's entry)
20:04:18 <laplink> Nothing on abebooks. Has several of Malone's /Complete Works/ though.
20:04:20 <nsh-> there should be a collaborative dictionary of things that sound like other things
20:05:02 <nsh-> watt's entry, what sentry? all of those things, even the really long really contrived ones
20:07:04 <sbp> laplink: well, it was part of the 17.. Variorum
20:07:17 <sr> how old is the microformat initiative?
20:07:25 <sbp> 1778
20:07:34 <sr> ok.
20:07:45 <sbp> heh!
20:08:01 <sr> btw sbp, the semweb is against most important pattern you ever teached me
20:08:06 <sbp> oh?
20:08:15 <sr> which was itself teached to you by DanC
20:08:23 <sr> be crapy, blabla
20:08:38 <sr> I can't remember his name exactly
20:08:41 <sr> (shame on me)
20:08:55 <sbp> ah yes. Don't Worry, Be Crappy
20:09:01 <sr> that's it
20:09:02 <sbp> mf... I'd guess late 2004
20:09:14 <sbp> I can't remember them annoying me until about 2005
20:09:20 <Talliesin> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoN6XfyQsr4 British Hip-Hop and Common Sense, together at last.
20:09:29 <sr> mf is fellowing this pattern; semweb doesn't
20:10:36 <sbp> is perhaps beink little bit too crappy
20:10:48 <sr> we are never too crappy!
20:10:53 <sbp> cf. my debate with crschmidt last night though. that was quite fun
20:11:16 <sr> I just invented a new pattern : WeAreNeverTooCrappy
20:11:28 * nsh- smiles
20:12:12 <sr> sbp, night debate are generaly useless
20:12:25 <sbp> ah, but it was afternoon for crschmidt
20:12:32 <sbp> which is why he won : : : ( ( (
20:12:36 <nsh-> hrm
20:12:48 <sr> it's like two dead drunk person talkin in a bar
20:12:55 <sbp> *hic*
20:13:05 <nsh-> there should be a study on conversations over varying distances longditude and latitude
20:13:16 <nsh-> to see if there are any noticable effects
20:13:50 <nsh-> except, obviously, huge areas of no people
20:15:26 <nsh-> interesting question i just saw on another channel: "Don't hagiographies usually start *after* the guy dies?"
20:15:33 <sr> omg! sbp talking first lolcats and then l33t
20:15:44 <nsh-> if that was intentional, it was genius
20:16:00 <nsh-> i noticed the sbp :hasHomepage ... thing too
20:19:18 <sr> w00t!1 Black Sun Empire will be in belgium next week-end !
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20:22:27 <sr> it's funny but in yesterday logs, bjoern_ looks like Monty :-P
20:22:29 <Monty> freelance stamp collection!!!
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20:29:08 <sr> ok sbp, it was interesting
20:29:39 <sr> but neither you nor crschmidt won
20:30:11 <crschmidt> I thought we agreed
20:30:14 <crschmidt> so we both won
20:30:46 <crschmidt> machine readable data is interesting and widespread, machine readable semantics are pointless and no one sees the benefit of them even though we all dream of cwm doing our laundry for us and making us coffee one day
20:31:29 <CaptSolo> hi all :)
20:31:46 <crschmidt> The only thing we differed on was whether machine readable data without machine readable semantics was the semantic web
20:32:34 <sr> crschmidt, so you're saying that reasonner are useless (except for IA and that kind of thing) ?
20:32:43 <sr> s/kind/sort
20:33:52 <crschmidt> if 'reasonner' -> 'reasoner', as in something that can look at data and think about it and determine some new information -- at this time, yes.
20:34:39 <sr> yes sorry for my poor English
20:34:53 <sr> so in that case, I definitely agree
20:34:58 <crschmidt> Just making sure it wasn't something diferent :)
20:36:14 <sr> but... if there is no reasoning, aren't rdfs/owl useless?
20:36:59 <sr> I mean what's the point of asserting that #me foaf:nick "sr" if we don't know what foaf:nick means?
20:38:15 <crschmidt> yes
20:38:20 <sr> I feel trapped like a moth in a bath !
20:38:27 <crschmidt> I think that RDFS/OWL *are* useless
20:38:55 <crschmidt> The FOAF spec would be just as useful if there was only an HTML form, and no RDF form
20:39:26 <sr> rdf form?
20:39:32 <sr> ah yes sorry
20:39:34 <sr> get it
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20:40:08 <sr> so, mf wins
20:40:27 <crschmidt> Yes
20:40:52 <sr> all my universe is falling
20:41:16 <sr> I though I had found the answer to everything
20:43:17 <sr> well, this kind of sucks
20:43:34 <sr> to be continued
20:44:42 <sr> I need to be up tommorrow at 5am and the battery level is critical and I am too lazy to get out of my bed and plug the ac adapter in so...
20:45:38 <sbp> nsh-: or girl
20:46:21 <sbp> moth in a bath: hehe
20:46:52 * sbp plugged this in half an hour ago and watched the rest of Michael Palin
20:46:56 <sbp> which is now concluded
20:47:02 <sbp> was quite a good one, for the record
20:47:19 <sr> ok, I finaly managed to plug the ac adapter
20:48:26 * sbp checks crawl status
20:48:32 <sr> so sbp, do you think the semweb is useless?
20:49:04 <nsh-> useless like a fox
20:49:12 <sr> or facebook
20:49:39 <nsh-> or 30 cubic meters
20:49:44 <sbp> sr: well it depends. it can be a loaded question
20:49:52 <sbp> it's been beneficial to me personally in many ways
20:50:02 <sbp> but I don't think it's come anywhere near to delivering what it sets out to deliver
20:50:54 <sr> let's find something else fun to hack on!
20:51:06 <sbp> I'm still having fun hacking on the Semantic Web!
20:51:12 <sbp> after quite a hiatus, admittedly
20:51:20 <sbp> plenty of fun things to do though, indeed
20:51:33 <sr> more seriously, didn't timbl said something like with xhtml but for the semweb?
20:51:45 <sbp> hmm?
20:52:10 <sr> yes, like itquotes... I still need to use your Quote rdfs
20:52:26 <sbp> oh yeah, I still need to show you the entire workflow that I eked out
20:52:30 <sr> we could next build a web2.0 website to rev:rate them
20:53:19 <sbp> that was pretty fun, especially the amount of problems I had along the way in trying to do such a simple thing. that's a bit sign of something gone wrong: simple things on the Semantic Web are hard. people hadn't thought about templating much before. people hadn't thought about how to teach people to make an ontology. how to show them prior art. and so on
20:53:27 <sr> sbp, you don't remember that blog entry which opened the html wg ?
20:53:38 <sbp> oh, yes...
20:53:53 <sbp> barely. heh
20:54:14 <sbp> I don't think it was anything to do with the Semantic Web, was it?
20:54:29 <sbp> last talk he gave, he was talking about making the validator more positive
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20:54:32 <sr> no, it's completely unrelated
20:54:32 <sbp> and doing much smaller steps
20:55:01 <deltab> no, but the same point of how changing too much leaves people behind
20:55:15 <sbp> hmm
20:55:29 <nsh-> oh, there's a whole lot of left behind to be done
20:55:30 <sr> what I was asking if he said something like "ok, semweb didn't works; here what we'll do about that"
20:55:46 * sbp squirrels that thought away in his alms-basket of sardonic semantic mirth
20:55:50 <sr> like he did about html
20:55:57 <sr> s/html/xhtml
20:56:22 <sbp> no, he doesn't seem to have any progressive ideas about that at the moment
20:56:32 <sbp> progressing in that direction, I mean. he's concentrating on UI at the moment
20:56:45 <sbp> Tabulator, Tabulator, Tabulator
20:56:59 <sr> is tabulator a UI ?
20:57:18 <deltab> yes
20:57:33 <sr> ok. well.
21:01:27 <sr> btw sbp I just finished my own crappy implementation of atompub (server side)
21:01:28 <sbp> will Ctrl+Z and then nohup bg do what I expect it to do?
21:01:35 <sbp> sr: oh? what in?
21:02:03 <sr> but now I am wondering if I shouldn't have used whit's code instead, which is the crappiest blogging tool ever
21:02:10 <sr> sbp, ruby (sorry)
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21:02:16 <sbp> heheh
21:02:28 <sbp> yeah, it's massively DWBC
21:02:47 <sr> .g DWBC
21:02:51 <phenny> sr: http://www.dwbc.org/
21:02:52 <sbp> Don't Worry, Be Crappy
21:03:07 <sr> ok. yet another accronym to remember
21:03:12 <sbp> not so Dauphin Way Baptist Church
21:03:22 <sbp> I'm just being lazy coz I is tired
21:03:28 <deltab> sbp: not unless your shell has nohup as a builtin
21:03:41 <sbp> deltab: ah, rats
21:04:00 <sbp> is there anyway to suspend a process and get it to ignore a HUP?
21:04:17 <chandler> alas, I don't think so
21:04:24 <sbp> ratshit
21:04:25 <sbp> thanks
21:04:33 <deltab> connect to it with gdb and turn off the signal
21:04:38 <sbp> ...heh
21:04:40 <chandler> oh oh. look at disown
21:04:53 <chandler> disown -h pid, at least under bash
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21:05:06 <deltab> I don't think disown does it — I think that just deletes it from the job list
21:05:23 <chandler> I thought disown -h was a retroactive nohup
21:05:36 <sbp> no installed, at any rate
21:05:59 <deltab> ah: "If the -h option is given, the job is not removed from the table, but is marked so that SIGHUP is not sent to the job if the shell receives a SIGHUP. "
21:05:59 <sbp> AVEC UNE "T"
21:06:06 <sbp> hmm
21:06:12 <sbp> crschmidt: still around? :-)
21:06:49 <sr> s/UNE/UN
21:07:01 <sbp> CECI NE PAS UNE "T"
21:07:11 <crschmidt> yep
21:07:13 <sr> UN !!1
21:07:16 <sbp> (sr: thanks!)
21:07:25 <sbp> crschmidt: ah! could you possibly install disown for me please?
21:07:35 <sr> actually, it's CECI N'EST PAS UNE PIPE
21:07:37 <chandler> sbp: it's a shell builtin. what shell do you use?
21:07:43 <sbp> looks like a rather handy thing to have in gene... oh
21:07:46 <sr> .g rene magritte
21:07:46 <sbp> bash or zsh
21:07:49 <phenny> sr: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ren%C3%A9_Magritte
21:07:51 <sbp> what shell is it in?
21:07:51 <crschmidt> bash has it
21:07:55 <sbp> ...really?
21:07:59 <crschmidt> Yes
21:07:59 <chandler> I'm using bash, and it's here
21:08:04 <crschmidt> crschmidt@bia:~$ disown
21:08:04 <crschmidt> bash: disown: current: no such job
21:08:07 <sbp> I just did which disown in bash and it wasn't there...
21:08:13 <chandler> actually, both my bash and zsh have it
21:08:21 <crschmidt> either you're not on bia, or you're not in bash, or you can't type
21:08:32 <sbp> $ bash
21:08:32 <sbp> sbp@bia:~$ which disown
21:08:32 <sbp> sbp@bia:~$
21:08:33 <crschmidt> sbp: builtin
21:08:39 <sbp> which doesn't return builtins?
21:08:42 <crschmidt> which doesn't show builtins
21:08:42 <crschmidt> no
21:08:48 <nsh-> which means "where"
21:08:51 <sbp> gah. it does on Darwin zsh... okay, fair enough
21:08:52 <nsh-> that's unix for you :-)
21:09:12 <sbp> nsh-:
21:09:13 <sbp> $ which test
21:09:13 <sbp> test: shell built-in command
21:09:18 <sbp> on Darwin, zsh
21:09:20 <crschmidt> sbp: on darwin zsh, presumably 'which' is a builtin
21:09:20 <chandler> yeah. zsh has a builtin which
21:09:26 <sbp> yep
21:09:28 * nsh- nods
21:09:34 <sbp> $ which which
21:09:34 <sbp> which: shell built-in command
21:09:34 <deltab> type which; type disown
21:09:44 <sbp> alias metawhich='which which'
21:10:06 <sbp> sbp@bia:~$ type which; type disown
21:10:06 <sbp> which is /usr/bin/which
21:10:06 <sbp> disown is a shell builtin
21:10:07 <sbp> cool, thanks
21:11:00 <deltab> also: help disown
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21:11:20 <sbp> ah, indeed
21:12:01 <nsh-> .... Does Cheney have any facial expressions which aren't evil scowls? I thought it was just an cliche, but now i think of it, i can't actually remember seeing any pictures that weren't to form
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21:13:24 <sbp> !
21:13:27 <sbp> F1 news!
21:13:37 <sbp> car irregularities!
21:13:43 <deltab> http://www.cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/1998-04/msg00413.html says that nohup may not be necessary if bash exits normally, and indeed I just ran xlogo & then quit bash, and the window stayed open
21:14:29 <chandler> sbp: follow the 24 Hours of LeMons, where car irregularities are regularities
21:14:31 <sbp> three cars, out of Williams and BMW are under investigation
21:14:33 <sbp> heh
21:14:36 <sbp> Le Mans
21:14:47 <deltab> that relies on telling bash to exit, rather than closing its window
21:15:58 <sbp> [[[
21:15:59 <sbp> Williams' Nico Rosberg finished fourth in the race with BMW's Sauber's Robert Kubica and Nick Heidfeld fifth and sixth.
21:15:59 <sbp> Should they be disqualified, McLaren's Lewis Hamilton would be promoted to fourth place - handing the 22-year-old British rookie the title.
21:16:06 <sbp> ]]] - http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/articlenews.aspx?type=motoringMotorSportsNews&storyID=2007-10-21T211939Z_01_B412697_RTRIDST_0_MOTOR-RACING-PRIX-STEWARDS-PIX-GRAPHIC.XML
21:16:17 <deltab> disown %+ then closing bash's window left xlogo running
21:16:32 <sbp> %+?
21:16:35 <chandler> sbp: I meant LeMons. http://www.24hoursoflemons.com/
21:16:37 <sbp> most recent job on the stack?
21:16:43 <deltab> job spec for the ... yeah
21:17:06 <sbp> chandler: er... heh. chuckle
21:17:43 <sbp> right, I'm off! thanks for ye help guys
21:17:55 <sbp> footnote, the crawl stats just returned:
21:17:55 <sbp> sites: 1561
21:17:55 <sbp> docs: 16751
21:17:55 <sbp> triples: 4333651
21:17:55 <sbp> subtriples: 14230
21:17:55 <sbp> cache size: 105M
21:18:01 <sbp> going quite well
21:18:03 <sbp> 'night!
21:19:46 <deltab> sbp &
21:19:52 * nsh- smiles, waves
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21:22:33 <nsh-> can you re-clingify clingfilm?
21:26:19 <deltab> rub an Angora against it
21:26:25 <deltab> (I'm guessing)
21:29:19 <nsh-> now i need to work out how to make a dry-wipe 'ink' colour printer
21:30:31 <therethinker> Hmm... has anyone worked with SVG in webpages before?
21:31:06 <nsh-> nope; what you trying to do?
21:32:15 <therethinker> I need to embed a SVG -- but scaled. When I try that, I just get a small box with scrollbars
21:36:07 <therethinker> oh great, seems it just doesn't...
21:37:02 <therethinker> seems I'm going to have to wrap them in .swf's... joy...
21:37:17 <nsh-> are you using width="" and height=""?
21:37:24 <therethinker> nsh: yeah
21:37:52 <nsh-> try using the viewBox attribute
21:38:00 <therethinker> I guess that you just can't scale svg in HTML when called with either embed or object
21:38:14 <therethinker> http://www.nabble.com/How-to-position-SVG-image-in-div-t4389518.html -- way at the bottom
21:38:50 <therethinker> I guess I could try iframe
21:40:23 <nsh-> .ety placid
21:40:26 <phenny> "1626, from Fr. placide, from L. placidus 'pleasing, gentle,' from placere 'to please' (see please)." - http://etymonline.com/?term=placid
21:40:33 * nsh- useless at htmly stuff
21:42:48 <therethinker> I suck at HTML...
21:43:49 <nsh-> nah, HTML sucks at you so hard some of it bounces back
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21:43:52 <nsh-> can't blame yourself for that
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21:45:51 <therethinker> nsh, no, I suck. Its not my forte...
21:46:04 <therethinker> and yeah, the whole IE6 thing doesn't make it any better
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21:49:10 <nsh-> .g population of britain
21:49:18 <nsh-> .calc population of britain
21:49:19 <phenny> nsh-: http://www.woodlands-junior.kent.sch.uk/customs/questions/population.html
21:49:21 <phenny> nsh-: Sorry, no result.
21:50:03 <nsh-> phenny, ask sbp if he can get phenny to return those google factoids in .calc or another command
21:50:05 <phenny> nsh-: I'll pass that on when sbp is around.
21:51:08 <nsh-> .calc 60,776,238 / 24,000
21:51:11 <phenny> 60 776 238 / 24 000 = 2 532.34325
21:51:41 <nsh-> .calc 24,000 / 60,776,238
21:51:43 <phenny> 24 000 / 60 776 238 = 0.000394891174
21:58:42 <Arnia> .calc age of the universe
21:58:45 <phenny> Arnia: Sorry, no result.
22:03:30 <pierpa> .calc 42
22:03:32 <phenny> pierpa: Sorry, no result.
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22:24:53 <glen_quagmire> hey is seam carving image resizing related to bezier curve?
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22:32:41 <laplink> Hmm. Not that I can tell. Why?
22:35:02 <glen_quagmire> i have to do presentation on bezier curves and i was wondering if i can dig seam carving
22:35:11 <glen_quagmire> and claim it's relevant topic
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22:35:35 * nsh- tries to remember what they are
22:35:46 <glen_quagmire> if you have to make presentations on bezier curves (undergrad level), would it be interesting?
22:36:00 <glen_quagmire> i need to choose a topic of presentation for numerical methods class
22:36:15 <glen_quagmire> i initially chose bezier becaue i thoutght it is seam carving
22:36:33 <glen_quagmire> you know, seam finding = finding a bezier curve
22:37:02 <laplink> A Seam can probably be described as a Bezier curve of (semi-)arbitrary complexity.
22:37:25 <laplink> And Seams can then be described as a Bezier curve.
22:37:56 <laplink> Whether that would make sense or not is a different question.
22:38:20 <glen_quagmire> then i became creative and thought 'bezier curves are wave forms.. what if i make synthesizer out of bezier curves?" ... and found some resources about them
22:38:26 <glen_quagmire> so, i'm trying to make a choice
22:38:33 <nsh-> the method described in the paper makes no reference to bezier curves; i think it calculates all seams
22:38:50 <nsh-> so you could do a presentation about the method using the simplification of only calculating bezier seams
22:38:51 <glen_quagmire> nsh-: yah i did search on the pdf for "bezier"
22:39:05 <nsh-> but that might not actually be simpler in terms of mathematics or computation
22:39:24 <glen_quagmire> can i do audio compression using bezier curves?
22:39:33 <glen_quagmire> like, storing bezier control points only
22:39:44 <glen_quagmire> and reconstruct the audio later own using fourier wahtever
22:40:06 <glen_quagmire> ok i think this is way beyond my ability
22:40:15 <glen_quagmire> and there is only 1 paper about seam carving
22:40:20 <nsh-> i guess it'd be possible, not sure how effective or whether it'd be degenerate to another method, etc.
22:40:31 <laplink> You'd probably be better off thinking “Vector Graphics” than audio or Seamcarving, but…
22:40:56 <glen_quagmire> maybe font stuff using bezier
22:41:21 <laplink> Fonts are a special application of vector graphics, yeah.
22:41:33 <nsh-> google search for bezier curves+compression seems quite revealing
22:41:52 <glen_quagmire> and i make presentation slides using latex...i think latex uses bezier curves for fonts
22:44:10 <laplink> WIkipedia's Bezier curve article does indeed cite Knuth's /Metafont: the Program/.
22:44:20 <laplink> .wik Bézier curve
22:44:23 <phenny> "In the mathematical field of numerical analysis, a Bézier curve is a parametric curve important in computer graphics." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bézier_curve
22:44:59 <nsh-> it'd do a presentation on animation as bezier curves of objects in the forth dimension
22:45:02 <nsh-> *i'd
22:50:33 <glen_quagmire> nsh-: do you have resources? I would like to do it too
22:51:34 <nsh-> i'd just search about on animation and bezier curves; i'm sure there's some good literature
22:51:41 <laplink> .title http://srufaculty.sru.edu/david.dailey/svg/SVGAnimations.htm
22:51:44 <phenny> laplink: SVG animation with JavaScript
22:51:56 <laplink> That ought be emminently demo'ble too.
22:52:26 <glen_quagmire> thanks
22:52:50 <laplink> #svg may be able to give you more/better pointers.
22:53:51 <glen_quagmire> w00t firefox can't do animation
23:11:31 <nsh-> i want the secret cookie that lets you read whole books on google
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23:11:44 <nsh-> i'm assuming there is a secret something, otherwise there'd be no point
23:11:46 <nsh-> and i want it
23:12:27 <nsh-> i might email sergei
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23:18:21 <nsh-> hrmm
23:18:30 * nsh- wonders where the nearest google office to him is
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